血与水：丈夫

我是黛博拉·罗伯茨，为您带来ABC和ABC音频联合出品的最新真实犯罪系列《血与水》的又一期节目。

This is Deborah Roberts here with another weekly episode of our latest true crime series from ABC and ABC Audio, Blood and Water.

想第一时间收听新剧集？请在Apple播客、Spotify、亚马逊音乐，或您现在正在使用的任何平台关注《血与水》。

Remember, you can get new episodes early by following Blood and Water on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you're listening right now.

接下来是《血与水》的下一期内容。

Here's the next episode of Blood and Water.

在犯罪现场，血迹往往能讲述真相。

At a crime scene, blood can tell a story.

当劳伦·普里尔在调查期间被短暂允许返回德鲁蒙德大道的父母家中收拾物品时，她看到的血迹，揭示了母亲生命最后时刻的恐怖场景。

When Lauren Preer was briefly allowed back into her parents' house on Drummond Avenue to collect some of her things while the investigation continued, the blood she saw offered a terrifying account of her mother's last moments.

她当时在拼命逃跑。

She was running for her life.

我家从前门到厨房有一条长长的走廊。

My parents had a long hallway between the front door and our kitchen.

整条走廊上都是血迹。

There was blood all over the hallway.

看起来，莱斯利·普里尔在一层的各个地方都曾与袭击者激烈搏斗，直到最后无力挣扎。

It looked like Leslie Preer had struggled against an attacker all across the Ground Floor until she couldn't.

他们知道她是死在前门附近的。

They know she was killed by the front door.

她的后脑勺被狠狠砸在墙上，墙上还留下了一道道血迹。

There was, like, this like, her the back of her head was smashed against the wall, and then there was, like, bloodstains down the wall.

我觉得她当时只是想逃出去。

I think she was just trying to escape.

当调查人员开始还原事发经过时，他们也顺着血迹一路追踪。

When investigators started trying to piece together what had happened, they too followed the blood.

他们在整个房子里喷洒了一种叫鲁米诺的化学试剂。

They sprayed a chemical called luminol all over the house.

这种试剂只要接触到哪怕微量的血，就会发出蓝色荧光。

It glows blue when it comes into contact with even the smallest amount of blood.

借助鲁米诺，调查人员发现了肉眼原本看不到的新线索——墙上出现了大片大片的蓝色痕迹，显然是有人试图清理更多的血迹。

Thanks to the luminol, investigators now saw new clues previously undetectable to the naked eye, Big blue swoops and smears where someone had seemingly tried to clean up even more blood.

鲁米诺显示，莱斯利在被人拖上楼梯、放进浴室时，很可能已经死了。

The luminal showed that Leslie was likely already dead when someone had dragged her body up the stairs and into the shower.

我得从那里走过。

I had to walk through that.

走廊里、楼梯上、卧室里，一直到我父母的主卧，鲁米诺的痕迹到处都是，我停在了他们的床边。

There was still luminol all over the hallway, all the way up the stairs, through the bedroom, my parents' master bedroom, and I stopped at their bed.

我实在做不到。

I couldn't do it.

我进不了浴室。

I couldn't go in the bathroom.

我实在做不到。

I couldn't do it.

我真不行。

I couldn't.

对劳伦来说，莱斯利最后的时刻清晰得令人心痛，但故事的其他部分依然成谜。

Leslie's last moments were painfully clear to Lauren, but other parts of the story were still a mystery.

Leslie Preer 当时到底想逃开谁？

Like, who was Leslie Preer trying to escape from?

最吓人的是，他们想把罪名栽到我爸爸头上。

And the scary part was is that they tried to put it on my father.

我说，不可能。

I said, no.

我心想，我爸深爱着我妈，简直宠她到骨子里。

I'm like, my dad loved my mom, loved, adored her.

我说，我爸绝不可能杀我妈。

I said my dad would never kill my mom.

Leslie 死后几天，调查人员把目光转向了桑迪·普里尔。

In the days after Leslie's death, investigators turned their attention to Sandy Preer.

就像荧光胺揭开了关于Leslie死亡的更多细节一样，关于普里尔夫妇婚姻的更多真相也陆续浮出水面。

And just as Illuminol had uncovered new details about the story of Leslie's death, there were more revelations to come, This time about the Preer's marriage.

她每天晚上都会这样，让我好好呼吸，这成惯例了吗？

Was this a routine with her to get fairly well and me breathed every night?

是的。

It yes.

来自ABC音频和2020年，我是斯蒂芬妮·拉莫斯，欢迎收听《血与水》。

From ABC Audio and 2020, I'm Stephanie Ramos, and this is Blood and Water.

第二集：丈夫。

Episode two, The Husband.

她去世时，莱斯利已经和桑迪结婚二十七年了。

At the time of her death, Leslie had been married to Sandy for twenty seven years.

他们是在佛罗里达州彭萨科拉上学时认识的，1974年一毕业就结了婚。

They met as students in Pensacola, Florida and got married right out of college in 1974.

几年后，他们的女儿劳伦出生了。

Their daughter, Lauren, was born a few years later.

她给我看了那些早期的家庭照片。

She showed me family photos of those early days.

这张照片里是谁？

Who's in this photo?

嗯，那就是我。

Well, that's me.

哦。

Oh.

我知道。

I know.

所以那时候应该是1977年我出生的时候，照片里这个是我爸爸桑迪。

So we're talking this might must have been 1977 when I was born, and this is my Sandy.

天哪。

Gosh.

然后是我妈妈。

And then my mom.

我们仨那时候可真是个幸福的家庭。

So we are a happy family, the three of us.

对。

Mhmm.

有一张照片里，桑迪和莱斯利并排坐在沙发上，怀里抱着小劳伦。

In one of the pictures, Sandy and Leslie sit on a sofa together with baby Lauren on their laps.

莱斯利看起来容光焕发。

Leslie looks radiant.

桑迪戴着厚厚的眼镜，笑得特别开心，手臂搂着她。

Sandy, with his big smile and thick rimmed glasses, has his arm around her.

他们看起来特别幸福。

They look happy.

这是斯科特。

This is Scott.

天哪。

Oh my god.

他那时候可真年轻。

He's so young there.

这是哈兰。

And this is Harlan.

这四个是兄弟，四个是姐妹。

So these are the four brothers and four sisters.

莱斯利是八个兄弟姐妹中的一个。

Leslie was one of eight siblings.

劳伦小时候有很多表兄弟姐妹，一家人关系很亲密。

So Lauren grew up with a lot of cousins, and the family was close.

他们经常一起出去度假。

They would go on vacation together.

像桑迪这样的姻亲也被接纳进来，成了家里的一分子。

In laws like Sandy were welcomed in and became part of the family too.

桑迪会给莱斯利的父母写很长的邮件，里面全是专门逗他们笑的段子。

Sandy would write long emails to Leslie's parents, littered with jokes tailored to the recipient.

他搞笑的方式特别憨厚。

He was funny in a goofy way.

劳伦说她爸爸有时候特别随性。

Lauren says her dad could be spontaneous.

她给我看了他们俩的合影。

She showed me pictures of the two of them together.

这是蒙哥马利县的集市。

This is the Montgomery County Fair.

我从大学回家，我爸和我就说，咱们去逛集市吧。

I was home from college, and my dad and I just said, let's go to the fair.

于是他们就去了，把所有项目都玩了个遍。

So off they went, did all the rides.

照片里，劳伦靠着桑迪的肩膀，两个人手里都拿着油炸食品，笑得特别开心。

In the picture, Lauren's leaning on Sandy's shoulder, both of them holding fried food and grinning.

我爸爸就是这样的人。

That's the kind of father my dad was.

他特别随性，只要我说想去集市，他立马就说走吧。

He'd on a dime, he would say if I said, let's go to the fair, he'd be like, let's go to the fair.

在加入广告公司之前，劳伦的妈妈一直做法庭记录员。

Before she worked at the advertising company, Lauren's mom had been a court reporter.

桑迪在一家咨询公司上班，穿西装打领带，做的是国防合同的活儿。

Sandy worked at a consultancy firm, a suit and tie job dealing with defense contracts.

1993年，劳伦上高中时，他们一家三口搬进了德鲁蒙德大道的那栋房子。

The three of them moved into the house on Drummond Avenue in 1993 when Lauren was in high school.

那时候的劳伦是什么样子的？

What was Lauren like back then?

温柔、安静、外向，还特别爱调皮，真的特别爱调皮。

Sweet, soft spoken, outgoing, mischievous, definitely mischievous.

布莱斯·托马斯是劳伦·普里尔当年最好的朋友之一。

Bryce Thomas was one of Lauren Preer's best friends back then.

他们到现在还是关系很好。

They're still close today.

劳伦上高中时，她和朋友们总爱聚在普里尔家。

When Lauren was in high school, she and her friends would congregate at the Preer house.

整个圈子的人都认识了莱斯利和桑迪·普里尔。

The whole gang got to know Leslie and Sandy Preer.

这对夫妇看起来很稳固。

The couple seemed solid.

他们难得地既关心女儿的生活，又够随和，能和孩子们打成一片。

They were a rare mix, interested in their daughter's life, but cool enough to hang out with.

普里尔太太总是特别亲切。

Missus Preer was always so engaging.

你知道吗？她让你感觉特别被接纳。

You know, it made you feel welcome.

对吧？

You know?

小时候你根本不会多想这些事，但现在回头看看，真的会感慨。

You know, you you don't think about these things too much as a kid, but now when you look back at it, you're like, yeah.

她更主动，特别想认识我们，弄清楚这些天天和她女儿混在一起的孩子都是谁。

She was more involved, really wanted to meet us and figure out who are these kids hanging out with my daughter.

对吧？

You know?

经常在一起的核心圈子包括劳伦、布莱斯、劳伦最好的朋友丽莎，还有劳伦的男朋友尤金，就是 neighborhood 里一个孩子。

The core group that was often together included Lauren, Bryce, Lauren's best friend, Lisa, and Lauren's boyfriend, Eugene, a kid from the neighborhood.

劳伦给我看的照片里，有青少年时期那种有点尴尬的合照，但更多的是她和父母的合影。

The pictures Lauren showed me include awkward teen group photos, but also a lot of her and her parents.

劳伦说，她青春期时也有些叛逆的时候，但和父母的关系一直很好。

Lauren says that as a teenager, she had some rebellious moments, but her relationship with her parents was always good.

当你

When you

看到这样的照片，你第一反应是什么？

see some photos like these, what comes to mind?

觉得他们是最好的父母。

That they were the best parents.

我们彼此之间充满了爱，一起度过了很多快乐的时光。

We just had so much love for each other, and we had so much fun together.

很多别人或者朋友，和父母的关系都没法跟我们比。

And, you know, a lot of people or friends don't have the same relationship with their parents.

你明白我的意思吧？

Do you know what I mean?

劳伦记得，她的家人比大多数家庭都要亲密，而德鲁蒙德大道上那栋红砖房，正是许多快乐时光的背景。

Lauren remembers her family as closer than most and their red brick house on Drummond Avenue as the setting for a lot of these happy scenes.

但曾经属于劳伦的家，如今却成了犯罪现场，调查人员拍下了新的照片。

But what had been Lauren's home was now a crime scene with new pictures taken by investigators.

屋里不再有笑容满面的家人，取而代之的是荧光痕迹和血迹。

Instead of a smiling family inside, there were luminal smears and blood drops.

随着调查人员逐步拼凑出案件的真相，一个事实变得清晰起来。

And as the investigators began to piece together the facts of the case, it became clear.

桑迪和莱斯利·普里尔根本不是表面上那么完美。

Sandy and Leslie Preer were far from picture perfect.

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Today I want to tell you about our friends at MECO.

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MECO has built an air purifier that works hard so you can breathe easy.

它强劲稳定，能持续提供高品质的净化效果，让家里的每个房间空气都更清新。

It works powerfully and consistently to deliver top quality results giving you cleaner air in any room of your home.

和其他空气净化器不同，MECO 设计得极其安静，你工作或睡觉时它在后台默默运行，完全不会被打扰。

Unlike other air purifiers, MECO is designed to be ultra quiet, so it can work in the background while you work or sleep and go completely unnoticed.

安静的同时，净化性能一点都没打折扣。

And you get the quiet efficiency without sacrificing performance.

它采用三重HEPA过滤系统，堪称行业顶尖，实测能清除近98%的颗粒物、过敏原和异味。

The three stage HEPA filtration system is considered the best of the best, proven to remove close to 98% of particles, allergens, and odors.

内置香薰功能，外观简约优雅，无论放在卧室、婴儿房还是客厅，都能自然融入环境。

It comes with built in aromatherapy, and the sleek elegant design blends right into any room of the house, whether it's your bedroom, a nursery, or an everyday living space.

让MECO为你守护呼吸，轻松一点。

Breathe a little easier with MECO in your corner.

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With our unique deal, you can get their powerful air purifier for 50% off and enjoy free shipping for a limited time.

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That's right.

五折优惠，包邮到家。

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别犹豫了。

Don't wait.

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Get an unbelievable air purifier for an even more unbelievable price at abcsecretsavings.com/20twenty.

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That's abcsecretsavings.com/202zero.

今年七月四日，迪士尼将庆祝美国建国二百五十年。

This July 4, Disney celebrates America two fifty.

全天二十四小时不间断直播，覆盖全国，大卫·穆尔亲临现场。

Twenty four hours nonstop live all across the country, and David Muir is right there.

两百五十年的美国历史，播出时间超过二十四小时。

Two hundred fifty years of America, more than twenty four hours on the air.

这必将是一场非凡的盛事。

This is gonna be one extraordinary event.

你可以在ABC、Disney+、Hulu、ESPN、国家地理、FX和Freeform上实时观看。

And you can watch it live on ABC, Disney plus, Hulu, ESPN, Nat Geo, FX, and Freeform.

这是一场史诗级又具有历史意义的庆典。

An epic and historic celebration.

跟大家说说吧，史蒂文。

Tell them, Steven a.

这是美国建国二百五十年的生日派对。

It's America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday party.

现在没人能办出这样的派对了。

No one throws a party like this now.

如果你明知道对方情绪不稳定，还卖给他一把装满子弹的枪，结果他开枪自杀了，

If you sold somebody a loaded gun who you knew was in a vulnerable state and they shot themselves,

我觉得这算

I think it is

谋杀。

murder.

你用互联网，并不意味着就能逃脱谋杀的罪责。

Just because you're using the internet doesn't mean you get away with murder.

我是达蒙·费里斯，《猎杀战争头颅》的主持人。

I'm Damon Fairless, host of Hunting Warhead.

这一季，我带你们深入自杀产业，看看那些在现实世界中找不到所需的人，会去哪些地方。

This season, I take you inside the business of suicide and the places desperate people go when they can't find what they need in the real world.

《猎杀自杀推销员》现已上线，各大播客平台均可收听。

Hunting the Suicide Salesman, available now wherever you get your podcasts.

从犯罪现场来看，莱斯利·普里尔显然是被谋杀的，但调查人员还没正式公布这个结论。

From the crime scene, it seemed clear that Leslie Preer was murdered, but investigators hadn't announced it officially yet.

在拨打911电话两天后，警方仍在努力解读血迹所透露的信息。

Two days after the 911 call, the police were still grappling with what the blood was trying to tell them.

他们想还原莱斯利死亡前几天的时间线，为此，他们找到了桑迪·普里尔。

They wanted to establish a timeline of the days before Leslie's death, and for that, they turned to Sandy Preer.

凯的日期是2001年5月4日，上午11点05分。

Kaye's day is, 05/04/2001, and it is 11:05AM.

我是吉姆·贾里，来自县警察局，还有迈克尔·特纳，我们正在和

This is Jim jury with the county police and also Michael Turner, and we're talking with

调查人员在酒店房间里采访了桑迪·普里尔。

Investigators interviewed Sandy Preer in his hotel room.

从当天的录音中能听出，他们的语气很平静，但并不亲切。

Their tone in the recordings from that day is calm but not warm.

他们让桑迪说说在发现尸体前一天他都做了些什么。

They asked Sandy to tell them about what he'd been doing the day before the body was found.

那天是星期二，桑迪说他像往常一样起床去上班。

It was a Tuesday, and Sandy said he'd gotten up and gone to work as usual.

之后，他说他没有直接回家。

Afterwards, he said he didn't go straight home.

他得去办几件事儿。

He had some errands to run.

我去了蒙哥马利商场，到Circuit City Express那里。

I went to the mall, Montgomery Mall to Circuit City Express.

我是不是还去了别的地方，还是只去了商场？

And did I go someplace else, or did I just go to the mall?

一开始，桑蒂似乎对那天晚上的事记不太清。

At first, Santee didn't seem to remember the evening all that clearly.

但后来他突然想起来了。

But then it all came back to him.

等等。

Oh, wait.

我没事。

I it okay.

我想起来了，我干了什么。

I I know what I did.

我周二把一些电脑设备送去垃圾场了，我记得，我得在八点前赶到那儿。

I I I was taking some computer stuff to the to the dump Tuesday because I was remember, I gotta get there by 08:00.

我得八点前到，我说，行。

Gotta get there by eight, I said, okay.

我得在七点或七点十五分之前离开这儿，才能确保赶到那里。

I need to leave here by seven or 07:15 in order to make sure that I get out there.

所以我们当时有一些多余的电脑设备。

So we had some spare computer equipment.

桑蒂向警方详细描述了他需要寻找摄像头零件并回收电子废弃物的事。

Santi told detectives in detail about needing to find camera parts and recycle electronic waste.

他说他直到晚上九点左右才回到家。

He said he didn't get home until late around 9PM.

我累得不行了。

I was really beat.

我九点半左右就上床睡觉了。

I went to bed I went to bed around 09:30 that night.

那是星期二晚上。

It's was Tuesday night.

你回家的时候，你妻子在家吗？

Your wife was home when when you

我到家的时候，妻子在家。

Wife was wife was home when I got there.

她亲了我一下，道了晚安。

She kissed me good night.

你吃晚饭了吗？

Do you have dinner?

没有。

No.

没吃。

No.

你知道她有没有吃晚饭吗？

Do you know if she had dinner?

她通常会做饭。

She would she would cook.

她隔几天就做一次饭，比如每三天左右吧。

She would cook, like every other day, every third day or something like that.

她总是煮意大利面，或者烤点鸡肉，类似这样的东西。

She would always cook pasta or some chicken or or something like that.

但那天晚上，我根本没吃晚饭。

But that night, I didn't have dinner.

我不确定她有没有做饭，也不确定她自己有没有吃。

I'm not sure if she cooked it, and I'm I'm not sure if she she had it.

我真的想不起来了。

I just can't remember.

我一回家就直接上床了。

I'm just looking right to bed.

桑迪说，他记得莱斯莉比他晚睡，夜里还醒过一次。

Sandy said that he recalled Leslie coming to bed after him and waking in the night.

他说，最近她一直睡不好。

Lately, he said she'd been having trouble sleeping.

侦探们问他关于莱斯莉日常饮酒的情况。

The detectives asked him about another part of Leslie's daily routine, alcohol.

桑迪说她一回家就会喝葡萄酒，而且不止喝一杯。

Sandy said she would have wine when she got home, and he said, not just one glass.

喝多少？

How many?

这对她来说重要吗？

Is this is this important for her?

她会喝很多。

She would have a lot.

她会喝很多。

She would have a lot.

说实话，这正是我常常晚归的原因之一，实在有点难以应付。

And in all honesty, it's one of the reasons why I'd kinda come home late because I I just really, it was just kinda it was kinda just it was getting hard to deal with.

桑迪告诉侦探，他经常回家时发现莱斯利已经喝了不少酒。

Sandy told detectives that he would often come home to find Leslie had had a lot to drink.

他说她说话会含糊不清，性格也会变。

He said she would slur her words and that her personality would change.

他觉得和她待在一起很累。

He found her difficult to be around.

这些是不是经常引发你们的争吵？当然了。

Were these a source of arguments between Oh, sure.

对。

Sure.

definitely。

Definitely.

前几天我们在车库里碰面，简单聊了聊天花板上的污渍。

I think you we talked just briefly the other day when in the driveway, and we were asking about the stain on the ceiling.

没错。

Right.

你

You

说那是葡萄酒弄的？

said that was from wine?

那是葡萄酒洒的，事情是这样的：那天晚上她喝得太多了，柜子上放着一杯酒，我就把酒直接泼了出去——没扔杯子，就直接把酒液甩了出去，然后我说了句类似‘你真不需要再喝了’的话。

It was from wine and what that came from was she had too much to drink that night and there was a glass of wine on the counter and you know I just flossed it, just slung it like just slung the wine the glass and I didn't let go of the glass, just slung the liquid and I said something along the line you don't need any more of this.

那是什么时候的事？

How long ago was that?

我觉得大概就在两周内。

I would say that was within two weeks.

这事发生得挺近的，真的挺近的。

It was just been pretty it was been pretty recent.

桑迪提到，在莱斯利去世前的几周里，这些争吵越来越严重。

Sandy described how these arguments were getting worse in the weeks leading up to Leslie's death.

他说，她的饮酒问题给他们的关系带来了很大压力。

He said that her drinking had put a strain on their relationship.

我就是不喜欢和一个喝得太多的人待在一起。

I just didn't enjoy being with with someone who, in that condition, who had too much to drink.

我的意思是，你得小心说话，因为她一旦喝高了，你随便说句什么她都能听歪了，最后干脆谁都不说了。

I mean, you had to make sure you you whatever you said because she could take it any any other way when she got cranked up, and it was it was shut it down.

你根本没法打断她。

You could shut it.

不管她扯到什么话题，你都躲不开。

You couldn't shut get away from whatever that subject she may be on.

她就是一直

She but just keep

就是一下子。

Just just bam.

一下子。

Bam.

一下子。

Bam.

不停地向你扑过来。

Just keep coming at you.

不停地向你扑过来。

Just keep coming at you.

那根本就不是什么有趣的事。

And it was it's it was it wasn't fun.

不只是因为争吵。

It wasn't just the arguments.

桑迪说过一次，他和莱斯利吵架时，他转过身去。

Sandy described one time when he and Leslie had been in an argument, and he said he turned away from her.

他感觉到莱斯利一拳打在了他背上。

He felt Leslie's fist hit him right in his back.

这种情况发生过吗？

Did that ever occur?

没有。

No.

如果你是想问我有没有反应，那我确实没理她。

I didn't react to it, if that's what you're gonna ask me.

对。

Right.

没有。

No.

我的意思是，我最过火的时候就是拽住她，跟她说你得清醒一下。

I mean, I never the most violent I ever got was I'd I'd grab her and just say, you know, you gotta snap out of it.

像是抓住她的肩膀。

Like grabbing her by her shoulders.

她的肩膀。

Her shoulders.

你得清醒一下。

You know, you know, you gotta snap out of it.

但我真就那么干过一次，结果她直接撞到墙上去了。

But that I I did that, you know, one time and it, you know, really and, you know, she, you know, hit the wall.

我从不砸东西，一点都没有。

I'm nothing, you know, smashing or anything.

我打了墙，她当场哭了出来，我当时就想，天啊，我到底在干什么？

I hit the wall and she's burst in tears and I'm thinking, god, what am I doing?

所以我一直克制着自己，根本没打算动手。

So so I pretty much controlled myself to where I just I I wasn't going.

我绝对不会走到那一步。

I was not gonna go there.

你可以看出，桑迪对周围发生的事的反应，在调查人员看来可能显得很奇怪。

You can see how Sandy's reactions to what was happening around him might have looked odd to investigators.

记得吗？桑迪第一次在门厅看到血迹、警察刚到家调查时，他还开了个玩笑。

Remember, right after Sandy had first seen the blood in the foyer and the officers had arrived at the house to investigate, Sandy had made a joke.

你们还挺专业的，他说过这句话。

You mean business, he'd said.

现在在警方的访谈中，桑迪主动描述了他和莱斯利之间的一些激烈争吵，有些就发生在她去世前几周。

And now in a police interview about his wife's death, Sandy was volunteering descriptions of heated arguments he'd had with Leslie, some in the weeks before her death.

当时，莱斯利的死还没有被正式定性为他杀。

And at this point, Leslie's death had not been formally announced as a homicide.

距离事发已经48小时了，官方的说法仍然是案件性质可疑。

Forty eight hours out, the official language was that the case was being treated as suspicious.

但很难相信桑迪没意识到，他对婚姻的这番描述在调查人员眼里会是什么样子。

But it's hard to believe that Sandy didn't realize how his description of his marriage must have looked to investigators.

你们俩有没有讨论过离婚或者分居？

Did either of you ever discuss divorce or separation?

没有。

No.

我们从来没认真讨论过这个，因为我们深爱着彼此。

We never seriously discussed it because we loved each other dearly.

有段时间我会说，我又没亏待你。

There were times where I'd say, I didn't screw you.

我只是在跟你办离婚手续。

I was divorcing you.

对我来说，这根本算不上什么讨论。

To me, that's not a discussion.

我们并没有像现在这样坐下来，严肃认真地谈过离婚的事，而且我觉得以后也不会有这种谈话。

It's not when we sit we'd sit down like this and talk about seriously seriously getting a divorce, and and I don't think there would be.

尽管事情已经开始明显恶化。

Even though things were really starting to really start to escalate.

如果侦探们对普尔夫妇关系的这些爆料感到惊讶，他们也藏得很好，继续按时间线推进调查。

If detectives thought these revelations about the Preer's relationship were surprising, they hid it well and kept on moving through the timeline of events.

他们把重点放在了5月2日星期三的早上，这是调查最关键的时段。

They zeroed in on the morning of Wednesday, May 2, the most important window for the investigation.

桑迪说，那天和平常没什么两样。

Sandy said it was just like any other day.

明白了。

Okay.

你们俩都是早上七点左右起床的。

So you both got up about 7AM.

对。

Mhmm.

你只是自己去洗了个澡？

You just did you shower?

是的。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

你用的是哪个浴室？

Shower did you use?

我一向都用主卧的那个浴室。

I always always use the one in the master bedroom.

桑迪对周三早上的描述，和他之前描述周二晚上一样详细。

Sandy was just as detailed about Wednesday morning as he had been about Tuesday evening.

他说洗完澡后，他就去上班了。

He said that after he showered, he left for work.

时间大概是早上7点35分。

It was around 07:35AM.

他记得特别清楚，因为那天有个董事会，他想早点到。

He remembered specifically because he had a board meeting that day and wanted to be there early.

他大约七点五十到的办公室。

He got to his office at around 07:50.

他说，九点的时候，秘书把莱斯利打来的电话转到了他的办公电话上。

At 9AM, he said his secretary put a call from Leslie through to his office phone.

她听起来怎么样？

Did she sound No.

有哪里不对劲吗？

Distressed?

没有不高兴吗？

Not upset?

一点都没有吗？

Not in any way?

没有。

Nope.

完全没有。

Nope.

没注意到。

Not noticed.

她说了什么？

And what did she say?

她问我要不要拿或者放一下那四卷装的卫生纸，就是放在通往房间的楼梯上的那包。

She wanted to know if I had taken or or or put up the the four roll four roll toilet paper pack that she that was on the stairways stair stairway going up to the room.

根据桑迪的说法，这场关于卫生纸的对话，是他们二十七年婚姻中的最后一次交谈。

In Sandy's telling, this conversation about toilet paper was the last conversation of their twenty seven year marriage.

当天上午大约11点半，莱斯利的老板布雷特·里迪打电话来，说她没来上班。

At around 11:30 that morning, Leslie's boss, Brett Reedy, called him to say she hadn't shown up at work.

一小时后，桑迪描述自己站在屋外，等着警察完成搜查。

And an hour after that, Sandy described standing outside the house waiting for police to finish their search.

一位叫巴内特的警官走出来，我永远都忘不了。

An officer Barnett came out, and, I'll never forget.

我不记得他是不是叫我‘普里尔先生’或者‘先生’，但他跟我说：‘您妻子去世了。’

I can't remember if he said, mister Preer or sir, he said, your wife's dead.

然后，你知道的，当场就彻底结束了。

And, you know, of course, broke up right then.

但事情就这么定了，我真没料到会这样。

But the the finality of it right now, I just wasn't expecting.

在与侦探长达一个半小时的访谈中，桑迪两次崩溃了。

In his hour and a half interview with the detectives, Sandy broke down twice.

一次是谈到德鲁蒙德大道家门口的现场，另一次是得知妻子去世的消息时。

Once when he talked about the scene inside the front door at Drummond Avenue and once about being told that his wife was dead.

在那些访谈时刻，桑迪的情绪与他的处境完全吻合——一个两天前刚失去妻子的丈夫。

In those moments in the interview, Sandy's emotions seemed to match his situation, a husband who'd lost his wife just two days earlier.

然而，访谈结束时，很明显桑迪并没有打消侦探的疑虑，也没能洗清自己的嫌疑。

And yet as the interview wrapped up, it was clear that Sandy had done little to ease the detective's suspicions or eliminate himself as a suspect.

而犯罪现场的证据即将让桑迪·普尔的情况变得更糟。

And evidence from the crime scene was about to make things even worse for Sandy Preer.

如果你喜欢像喝咖啡一样品味真实犯罪故事，那《红手》这个播客最适合你。

If you like your true crime like you like your coffee, Red Handed is the podcast for you.

剧情黑暗又紧张，可能让你整晚都睡不着。

It's dark, intense, and might just keep you up all night.

我是汉娜。

I'm Hannah.

我是萨鲁蒂。

I'm Saruti.

每周在《Red Handed》里，我们都会深入剖析一个令人着迷的案件。

And every week on Red Handed, we break down a different fascinating case.

从眼下全美热议的最新审判，比如布兰登·班菲尔德、凯伦·里德和艾伦·格林伯格，到世界各地那些令人难以置信的真实故事，我们全都有。

From the most recent US trials everyone is obsessing over, like Brendan Banfield, Karen Reed, and Ellen Greenberg, To the most unbelievable stories from around the world.

我们最享受的就是把每个案子的细节都挖透，不只做表面分析，而是直击事件的核心。

There's nothing we love more than digging into every detail of the cases we cover, getting beyond a basic analysis and cutting to the heart of the story.

《Red Handed》目前已经积累了四百多集，随时可以一口气刷完。

Red Handed has over 400 episodes ready to binge right now.

另外别忘了关注我们的每周姊妹节目《Shorthand》，从黑死病到51区，什么都聊。

Plus, be sure to check out our weekly sister show, Shorthand, where we unpack everything from the black death to Area 51.

如果你想找有深度、有细节又带个性的真罪案节目，不妨去你常用的播客平台收听《Red Handed》。

If you're looking for smart, detailed true crime with personality, check out Red Handed wherever you get your podcasts.

我是哈维·吉伦，欢迎来到《杀手故事》。

I'm Harvey Guillen, and this is killer stories.

每周一，我会关掉灯，给你讲一个睡前故事。

Every Monday, I'm cutting the lights and telling you a bedtime story.

只不过，这些故事都是真实发生的。

Except these stories are all real.

我们会讲大胆的劫案、毁灭性的骗局、连环凶杀，还有那些难以归类的离奇案件。

We're talking brazen heists, devastating cons, serial murders, and cases that defy tidy categories.

每周一，别忘了来听哈维·吉伦带来的《杀手故事》新集。

So join me for new episodes of killer stories with Harvey Guillen every Monday.

你有没有过那种全神贯注、无所畏惧的状态？

You know when you're locked in, focused, and fearless.

欢迎来到WNBA。

Welcome to the WNBA.

你的视野变得狭窄。

Your vision narrows.

你根本移不开眼睛。

You can't look away.

每一次助攻，每一次抢断，每一个超远三分。

Every assist, every stop, every logo three.

从标志线外投进。

From beyond the logo.

每一个让你惊呼的瞬间。

Every did you see that moment?

当然了。

You bet.

这个赛季会打破哪些纪录？

What records are going to be broken this season?

所有精彩都在这儿。

All of it right here.

集中注意力。

Lock in.

整个赛季，WNBA赛事尽在ESPN。

It's the WNBA on ESPN all season long.

我们清楚这段采访结束后发生了什么，这些都记录在当天侦探的笔记里。

We know what happened right after this interview from entries in the detectives' notes from that day.

录音刚一停止，侦探们就接到通知，他们的部门将就此案向媒体发布声明。

Just after the recording stopped, detectives received word their department would be giving a statement on the case to the press.

莱斯利的死因将正式认定为勒颈和钝器伤。

Leslie's cause of death was officially going to be reported as strangulation and blunt force trauma.

根据调查人员的说法，尸检报告还指出，莱斯利有可能是在被发现前一天的周二晚上遇害的。

According to investigators, the autopsy had also said that it was possible that Leslie Preer was killed on Tuesday night, the night before her body was found.

莱斯利的尸体在死后被放在淋浴间下用热水冲洗，这很可能是凶手试图清理现场的举动。

Leslie's body was left under hot running water in the shower after her death, likely as part of an attempt by the perpetrator to clean up the scene.

热水的温度加速了尸体的腐烂，使得确定莱斯利的确切死亡时间变得困难。

The temperature of the water had sped up the decomposition process, making it hard to be sure of the exact time that Leslie died.

莱斯利的胃里还有没消化完的食物，是意大利面。

And there was undigested food in Leslie's stomach, pasta.

这和莱斯利是在吃完晚饭后不久遇害的推测吻合，而桑迪刚告诉侦探，他妻子常做这道菜。

It fit with Leslie being killed a short time after eating the very dinner that Sandy had just told detectives his wife often made.

桑迪对周二晚上和周三早上经历的叙述，现在开始让人怀疑了。

Sandy's recollection of his Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning was now in question.

如果莱斯利真的是周二晚上遇害的——这还只是假设——桑迪是不是开车到处转悠，好给自己制造不在场证明？

If Leslie had been killed on Tuesday night and it was still an if, had Sandy driven around town to give himself an alibi?

他的整个说法都建立在莱斯利周三早上还活着的基础上，但侦探们觉得证据恰恰相反。

His entire story depended on Leslie being alive on Wednesday morning, and detectives thought that the evidence suggested otherwise.

在酒店房间里，侦探们把即将公开的消息告诉了桑迪。

In his hotel room, detectives told Sandy what would soon be public information.

莱斯利是被谋杀的。

Leslie was murdered.

他们在笔记里写道，桑迪低着头沉默了一分钟左右，然后说：‘我想我知道你们想说什么了。’

They wrote in their notes that Sandy hung his head for around a minute and then said, I think I know where this is going.