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希拉是个温柔的妻子和母亲。
Sheila is a loving wife and mother.
她也特别孝顺父母。
She was also a devoted daughter.
她深爱着自己的妈妈。
She loved a mother.
她们母女关系特别好。
They had the best of relationship.
可谁也没想到，她竟然被指控并定罪犯下了一桩骇人听闻的罪行——杀害了自己的母亲。
So everyone was shocked when she was charged and convicted of an unthinkable crime, murdering her own mother.
我们觉得这太荒谬了。
We think it's ridiculous.
谁要是了解我妈妈，就知道她根本不可能干出这种事。
Anybody who knows my mother knows she's not capable of anything like that.
但检方说，证据清清楚楚地证明了这一点。
But the prosecution says the evidence proves it.
希拉·布莱恩把车点着了，她妈妈还在车里。
Sheila Bryan set that car on fire with her mama inside the car.
现在，希拉或许还有最后一次机会证明自己是清白的。
Now Sheila may have one last chance to prove she is innocent.
我真的觉得，这个女人是在没有任何确凿证据的情况下被定罪的。
I really believe that a woman had been convicted without any real evidence.
这位专家说，那是一场意外。
This expert says it was an accident.
我找到了真正的起因。
I found the real cause.
他能救她免于终身监禁吗？
Can he save her from life in prison?
靠他和上帝的帮忙，
Between him and God,
我们一定能证明真相。
we'll prove it.
苏珊·斯宾塞展开调查。
Susan Spencer investigates.
你有没有故意放火烧那辆车？
Did you have anything to do with intentionally starting that fire?
没有。
No.
那是我妈妈干的。
That was my mother.
四十八小时的谜团，她被指控了。
A forty eight hours mystery, accused.
我一直以来都只在乎家人。
My focus has always been my family.
我喜欢和孩子们一起做事，也为他们和丈夫做各种事。
I enjoy doing stuff with my children and for my children and for my husband.
但到了1996年，她的生活开始崩塌。
But in 1996, her life began to unravel.
首先，她失去了82岁的母亲。
First, she lost her 82 year old mother.
你们关系很亲密吧。
You were close to her.
她一直都在。
She'd always been there.
接着，她震惊地发现自己被指控谋杀了母亲。
Then she says to her total shock she was charged with her mother's murder.
这是我在波尔斯基州立监狱A区116号房的房间。
This is my room on A Hall, Room 116 at Pulaski State Prison.
被起诉、受审，然后定罪。
Charged, tried, and convicted.
这是我的床。
This is my bed.
希拉坚持说自己完全无辜。
Sheila insists she is completely innocent.
简直难以想象，居然有人会怀疑是我干的。
It's hard to comprehend that somebody would even suggest that I did that.
她的家人和朋友都觉得这指控根本荒唐到没法认真考虑。
And her family and friends find the charges impossible to even consider.
我们从她三岁起就认识她了。
We've known her since she was about three years old.
了解希拉的人，没有不爱她的，她可是深爱着她妈妈的。
To know Sheila is to love her, and she loved her mother.
她们母女俩关系特别好。
They had the best of the relationship.
她根本不可能做出他们指控的那些事。
She couldn't do what they accused her of doing.
你觉得这事儿太荒谬了。
You think it's ridiculous.
这
This
那女人没杀她妈妈。
woman didn't kill her mother.
但佐治亚州说，正义已经得到伸张。
But the state of Georgia says justice was served.
唯一大家都能达成共识的是，1996年那个炎热的八月天，82岁的弗里达·威克斯和她女儿希拉一起出去兜风。
About the only thing that everyone can agree on is that 82 year old Frieda Weeks and her daughter Sheila went for a drive on a hot August day in 1996.
可那天还没结束，希拉的车就烧得只剩骨架，坠在了那道坡底，而弗里达·威克斯已经死了。
And before that day was over, what was left of Sheila's burned out car was at the bottom of that embankment and Frieda Weeks was dead.
我们就随便开出去转了转，你知道的，就是聊聊过去的事，这种事我们已经干了好多年了。
We just went riding around for a little bit, know, just reminiscing, and which we've done that for years.
希拉说，快到那座桥的时候，她有那么一瞬间走神了。
Sheila says as she approached this bridge, she momentarily became distracted.
车子就失控了。
She lost control.
突然间，我就冲出马路了。
All of a sudden, I was just off the road.
车终于停在坡底时，她说妈妈一动不动。
When her car finally settled at the bottom of the embankment, she says her mother was very still.
我叫她没反应，吓坏我了。
She didn't respond to me and I was scared.
谢丽尔发现根本关不掉车。
And Sheila found she couldn't turn the car off.
我想把车熄火，可怎么也熄不了，最后总算弄停了，一把拔出钥匙，结果钥匙掉地上了。
I'm trying to get the car off and I couldn't get the car on and I finally got it and I snatched the keys out and they dropped.
她爬出车外，可就是够不着妈妈。
She got out but couldn't get to her mother.
车门不知怎么全锁死了。
The doors had somehow locked.
那时候我才真慌了。
And that's when I really panicked.
她拼命爬上方陡峭的坡，只想找人帮忙。
She climbed the steep embankment desperate for help.
她一回头，就看到一幅可怕的景象。
Then turning says she saw a horrifying sight.
我看见有烟冒出来，就在那时，车拐过弯来了。
I saw a trickle of smoke and about that time the car come around the curve.
所以你是沿着这条路开下来的？
So you're coming down this road?
对。
Right.
她又喊又哭，拼命摇头。
She was screaming, crying, shaking her head.
她说她妈妈还在车里。
She said her mama was in the car.
丹尼·威克斯立刻跳下车，让妻子赶紧叫消防队。
Danny Weeks jumped out of his car and sent his wife to call the fire department.
我就赶紧跑下去，看见了那辆车。
So I went down there and seen the car.
烟从挡风玻璃上方直往上冒。
The smoke was like coming up over the front windshield.
他冲过去拎了一桶水。
He ran to get a bucket of water.
我就把水往车顶上泼。
And I just throwed the water over the top of the car.
但那时候，火已经烧得厉害了。
But by then, the fire was raging.
根本没起任何作用。
It didn't have no bearing on it.
那会儿谢丽尔在哪？
And where was Sheila during all this?
在我身后。
Behind me.
她一直在发抖，哭个不停，
She was just shaking and crying and
听上去你们赶到的时候，已经太晚了。
It sounds like by the time you got here, it was too late.
我觉得是吧。
I think it was.
我主持了葬礼。
I performed the funeral service.
我们本来以为一切都会按部就班，家人回家，好好哀悼。
We thought everything was just following order, you know, the family would go home and grieve.
希拉说，接下来发生的事，她完全没准备好。
Sheila says she was completely unprepared for what happened next.
希拉告诉我，他们要挖出我妈妈的遗体。
Sheila told me they're going to exhume my mother's body.
事故发生大概十天后，我们才接到通知。
We were contacted about ten days after the actual incident.
佐治亚州调查局的约翰·海南警官正在调查这起死亡事件。
Georgia Bureau of Investigation Agent John Hynan was looking into the death.
这起事故明显有问题。
The accident was certainly suspicious.
法医说，弗雷达·威克斯很可能死于心脏病发作，而且可能是在火灾发生之前就去世了。
The medical examiner said Freda Weeks probably died of heart failure and possibly before the fire began.
但海南说，案件中其他一些情况都特别蹊跷。
But Hynan says other circumstances surrounding the case were very peculiar.
车子一点损伤都没有。
No damage to the vehicle.
车里连个人物品都没留下。
No personal items in the car.
油箱盖不见了。
The gas cap of the car was missing.
油箱盖是开着的。
The fuel door was open.
最让人怀疑的，还是州消防调查员的报告。
Most incriminating of all, though, was the report from the state fire investigators.
他们的结论是什么？
Their conclusion?
是人为纵火。
It was arson.
虽然大火会烧毁一切，但调查人员说，它总会留下自己的痕迹。
Though fire destroys everything in its path, investigators say it leaves its own clues.
通过分析谢丽尔车子残骸的细节，他们能还原火势的蔓延路径、发展过程，以及起火点。
By sifting through what remains of Sheila's car, they can determine how the fire burned, how it grew, and how it began.
消防调查员的证据到底说明了什么？
What did the fire investigators' evidence actually show?
这是一起蓄意纵火案。
It was an intentionally set incendiary fire.
地区检察官大卫·米勒对那天发生的事，跟谢丽尔的说法完全不一样。
District Attorney David Miller's theory of what happened that day was far different from Sheila's.
谢丽尔·布莱恩开车冲下斜坡，把车点着了，她妈妈还在车里。
Sheila Bryan drove that car down the side of that embankment and set that car on fire with her mama inside the car.
这整个事情太荒唐了，我一开始还以为他们在开玩笑呢。
The whole situation was so ludicrous that at first it was just like, you know, you you gotta be kidding.
但后来发现，这些人是认真的，真不是在逗你。
And then as it progressed, it become these these people are really serious.
1998年，也就是那场致命车祸两年后，从未被指控过任何罪行的家庭主妇希拉·布莱恩，被送上法庭受审，罪名是纵火和谋杀。
In 1998, two years after that fatal drive, Sheila Bryan, a homemaker who'd never been accused of any crime, stood trial for arson and murder.
我真希望这女人是无罪的。
I would have loved for the woman to have been not guilty.
这事儿我们也不想干啊。
It's not something that we wanted to do.
桑德拉·威尔特、她丈夫亚伦，还有莫妮卡·方德伯克，这三位陪审员全都一致同意。
Sandra Willett, her husband Aaron, and Monica Funderburk all sat on the jury and all agreed.
这火势可真够大的。
That's a tremendous fire.
这火根本不是自己烧起来的。
This fire did not start itself.
事实让我明白，这场火是她亲手放的。
The fact showed to me that the fire was set by her hand.
你到最后还觉得自己会被判无罪吗？
Did you think up to the last second that you would be found not guilty?
是啊。
Yes.
我真这么想的。
I sure did.
经过八个小时的讨论，陪审团最终裁定她有罪。
After eight hours of deliberation, the jury voted to convict.
你以为自己清白，事情就不会出岔子？你想错了。
You think that you're because you're innocent, that things won't go wrong, you're mistaken.
谢丽尔·布莱恩被判终身监禁外加二十年。
And Sheila Bryan was sentenced to life plus twenty years.
前一秒你还是个普通的妈妈、家庭主妇。
One minute you're Sheila Bryan, normal mother, housewife.
下一秒，你就得在牢里过完下半辈子。
The next minute you're in prison for the rest of your life.
是啊。
Yeah.
你一下子就懵了。
You just went numb.
希拉的丈夫卡洛斯是个油漆工，突然间只能独自抚养两个女儿。
Sheila's husband Carlos, a house painter, was suddenly left to raise their daughters on his own.
我已经接受现实了，我们每周只能见四五个小时——
I had resigned to the fact that our life together would be four or five hours once a week at
在监狱里。
the prison.
但希拉的朋友从未放弃过。
But Sheila's friends never have given up.
她是无辜的。
She's innocent.
我们会全力以赴，倾尽所有心力来打这场官司，这一点毫无疑问。
We will fight the case with all our strength, with all our heart and all our might and no doubt about it.
如今，经过近一年的监禁，谢丽尔或许将迎来转机——48小时节目即将继续播出。
And now, after nearly a year in prison, Sheila may get a second chance when forty eight hours continues.
十岁的凯莉·布莱恩和她的妹妹卡拉还记得，以前只要从后门走出去，就能每天去奶奶家玩。
10 year old Carrie Bryan and her sister Carla remember when they could visit their grandmother every day just by walking out the back door to her house.
我们每天都会沿着这条路散步，地上都踩出一条小径了，草都磨光了。我们还用小杯子、小碟子，摆上小松饼，办迷你茶会。
Every day we used to take a walk up here and we had a little path where the grass had worn out because we walked it so much and we'd have little weedy tea parties with the little cups and the little saucers and little crumpets and things.
但当82岁的弗雷达·韦克斯去世后，这两个女孩不仅失去了奶奶，接着又失去了妈妈。
But when 82 year old Freda Weeks died, the girls lost their grandmother and then they lost their mother too.
这太难了。
It has
有时候，根本抱不到他们，真的让人备受煎熬。
been traumatic at times not be able to hold them.
谢丽尔·布莱恩因谋杀罪被判终身监禁——她把母亲锁在车里，然后放火烧了车。
Sheila Bryan was sentenced to life in prison for murder, for setting fire to her car with her mother inside.
你有没有故意放那把火？
Did you have anything to do with intentionally starting that fire?
没有。
No.
那是我妈妈干的。
That was my mother.
如果她能看进我的心里，她就知道我绝不会伤害她。
If she could see in my heart and my nose, I could never do anything to harm her.
可法院却认定是你干的。
And yet the state found that you did.
法院搞错了，大错特错。
The state was mistaken, badly mistaken.
但现在，服刑近一年后，希拉有了新的希望。
But now, after serving nearly a year in prison, Sheila has new hope.
佐治亚州最高法院推翻了她的定罪。
The Georgia Supreme Court has overturned her conviction.
为什么？
Why?
谢丽尔被指控的动机。
Sheila's alleged motive.
检察官大体上把谢丽尔·布莱恩描绘成一个为了保险金杀害母亲的女人。
With broad strokes, prosecutors began painting Sheila Bryan as a woman who murdered her mother for her insurance money.
法院表示，检方误导了陪审团，暗示布莱恩家的汽车保险才是动机。
The court said the state had misled the jury by suggesting that the liability insurance on the Bryan's car was the motive.
错误地让人觉得谢丽尔从母亲的死中能捞到不少好处。
Erroneously implying that Sheila Bryan had a lot to gain from her mother's death.
所以当她的朋友们帮她保释出来时，这真是
So when her friends post bond It's a
开心的一天。
happy day.
我们在这儿，是因为谢丽尔要从监狱回家了。
We're here because Sheila's coming home from prison.
谢丽尔要回家了。
Sheila is coming home.
我们都盼着她回来，想让她重新和我们一起住在家里。
We're just ready for her to come home, to have her back at the house with us.
至少先住一阵子吧。
At least for a while.
那是什么？
What's that,
兄弟？
brother?
我打算回家。
I'm expecting to
回家。
go home.
那就是她。
That was her.
我就抱着我的孩子们和卡洛斯，抱到我妈累了为止。
And just hug my young uns and Carlos until my mom's get tired.
我已经学会把一切都交托给主了。
I've learned to put all my trust in the Lord.
这可是他背负我最久的一段时间了。
This has been the longest time that he's carried me.
我觉得吧
I think
你富不富，看你有几个真心朋友。
your richness was measured by the friend that you have.
我觉得自己挺富有的。
I feel pretty wealthy.
咱们回家吧。
Let's go home.
好嘞。
Okay.
回家吧，希拉。
Home, Sheila.
回家。
Home.
但那些相信希拉无辜的人，另一些人却觉得一个杀人凶手刚被放了出来，而地区检察官大卫·米勒正准备再次起诉她。
But for all the people who believe in Sheila's innocence, others believe that a murderer has just been set free, and District Attorney David Miller is taking her to court again.
如果我们不重审，我晚上根本睡不着。
I couldn't sleep at night if we didn't retry it.
尽管最高法院推翻了她的定罪，但并没有否定州方的关键证据。
Though it tossed out her conviction, the Supreme Court did not throw out the state's key evidence.
消防专家的证词。
Testimony of its fire experts.
这些专家告诉陪审团，火灾是用易燃液体点燃的。
The experts told the jury the fire was started with a highly flammable liquid.
尽管两家实验室在希拉汽车里采集的所有样本中都没发现任何液体残留，专家们却一口咬定肯定用了液体助燃。
Though two labs found no trace of it in all the materials they took from Sheila's car, the experts said definitely liquid was used.
他们的证据是什么？
Their evidence?
是火灾留下的典型烧痕。
The telltale burn pattern it left behind.
我们当时看到的那些东西。
What we were shown.
明显是火焰蔓延的痕迹。
Showed a definite flame pattern.
火灾在某些区域烧得比其他地方更旺。
The fire was hotter in certain areas than others.
陪审团觉得这非常有说服力。
The jury found that very convincing.
就像一条笔直的线。
It was like straight line.
就像一条痕迹一样。
It was like a trail.
那有没有人作证说，这可能是别的原因造成的？
And there was no testimony that this could have been caused in any other way?
根本不可能是别的原因。
No other way.
现在车里那么多阻燃材料，本来就是为了防止车子着火后烧得那么快的。
You know, with all of the flame retardant materials that are in cars these days, you know, it's they're put there to keep a car from catching on fire and burning as quickly as it did.
如果事实和证据都表明，她是故意这样害死她妈妈的，那这位82岁的老太太死得实在太惨了，她必须为此负责。
If the facts and evidence has presented show that she intentionally killed her mama this way, then this 82 year old woman died a horrible death and she should be held responsible for it.
但今天你看起来像长高了一大截啊。
But today You look like you've grown a foot.
希拉正努力让自己忘记，新一轮审判就要来了。
Sheila is trying to forget that a new trial looms.
她在家。
She's home.
快点吧。
Come on.
别着急，慢慢来。
Take your time.
眼下，她正好好珍惜当下的每一刻。
For now, she's treasuring the present.
大多数人啊，都把那些小事当成了理所当然。
Most people just take every little thing for granted.
推门进家门。
Walking in the front door.
重新回到女儿们的生活里。
Stepping back into the lives of her daughters.
想抱孩子的时候，就能抱得着。
Being able to hold your child when you want to.
还有她的丈夫卡洛斯，一起过了二十八年了。
And of Carlos, her husband of twenty eight years.
好好聊聊，补补这些年。
Catching up
你会把它们铺在新地板上。
You'll put them on new floor.
她正在弥补那些错过的时光。
On what she missed.
地方在哪？
Where's the place?
你们买的是大包装的吗？
Y'all buy the big economy side?
是的。
Yeah.
她还没检查完呢。
She ain't through inspecting.
我就知道，我错过了他们生活中的很多事。
I just know I missed a lot in their lives.
她错过了我第一次回家。
She missed my home my first homecoming.
卡拉十六岁生日，卡莉十岁生日。
Carla's sixteenth birthday and Carrie's tenth birthday.
这些可是重要的生日呢。
Those are big birthdays.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
抱歉我错过了。
I'm sorry I missed it.
没关系。
It's okay.
你现在明白了。
You're right now.
你现在明白他们当时经历的是什么了吗？
What do you now understand they were going through?
他们经历了很多痛苦，还要适应没有母亲在身边的日子，而以前母亲一直都在。
They went through a lot of heartache and adjusting to not having a mother who had always been there.
七点十五了。
Seven fifteen.
卡莉在哪儿？
Where's Carrie?
我在这儿呢。
Right here.
快点吧。
Come on.
她总是陪着孩子们，为孩子们操心。
She always did everything with the girls and for the girls.
帮我一把。
Oh, help me up.
拉我一把。
Help me up.
我要倒了。
I'm falling.
而且而且
And and
你走了之后，很多事情都变了。
a lot of things change when you're gone.
你妹妹是不是既想当你的妈妈，又想当你的姐妹？
Was your sister trying to be your mother and your sister?
我就是她最亲近的人了。
I was the closest thing she had.
真的需要很多适应。
It's just a lot of adjustment.
你知道的。
You know?
试着
Try to
摇一摇。
Shake.
晃一晃。
Shake.
来吧。
Come on.
让你的家人重新像以前那样团聚。
Get your family back in like it was.
妈妈。
Mama.
卡拉。
Carla.
哇哦。
Woah.
莫达。
Moda.
就那儿。
Right there.
我控制不住啊。
I can't help it.
这下又要重来一遍了。
And now we're fixing to go through it all over again.
既然现在有了，我们就想把每一分每一秒都好好用在一块儿。
Now that we have it, we try to use up all the time that we have together.
以防万一。
Just in case.
你知道吗，总有一天你会特别庆幸自己头发这么浓密。
Well, you know, one day you'll just be so thankful that your hair has so much body.
你老跟我说这个。
You've been telling me that.
如果希拉这次官司再输，她就再也见不到家人了。
If Sheila loses in court again, she will be taken away from her family forever.
有时候真让人压得喘不过气来。
It just overwhelms every now and then.
嘿，我挪到这边来。
Hey, I'll slide over here.
所以她的朋友们加大了为她奔走的力度。
So her friends have stepped up their efforts to defend her.
咱们得给她做好下一回合的准备。
We've got to prepare her for the next round.
感谢大家今天都来了。
We appreciate everybody being here.
筹款的事儿。
Raising money.
先跟大家报个账，目前筹到5636.71美元。
We'll start out and give you a treasure's report of $5,636.71.
也在为她祷告。
Offering prayers.
我们祷告，求天父的旨意在这儿成就。
We're praying father that the divine will of God will be accomplished here.
做调查研究。
Doing research.
想找个人来反驳新陪审团肯定会听到的那些指控性专家证词。
Looking for any way to refute the incriminating expert testimony the new jury is bound to hear.
我们从来就没怀疑过谢丽尔。
We never doubted Sheila.
我们觉得需要找个人来说明这场火到底是怎么烧起来的。
And we felt like we needed somebody who could show how this fire started.
结果还真让他们找到了一个人。
And remarkably, they did find someone.
莫名其妙地，从德克萨斯州奥斯汀冒出来一个人。
Out of nowhere, Austin, Texas.
就是这么个人。
Someone.
嗨，谢丽尔。
Hi, Sheila.
或许正是他们苦苦寻找的答案。
Who might be the answer to their prayers.
我真的相信，这位女性在没有任何确凿证据的情况下就被定罪了。
I really believe that a woman had been convicted without any real evidence.
接下来就是。
That's next.
今天打扮得真精神啊。
Happy style today.
希拉·布莱恩正在享受她重获的自由。
Sheila Bryan savors her newfound freedom.
你今天怎么样？
How are you today?
就连她那份兼职送餐的工作，也是在给老人送饭。
Even at her part time job, delivering meals to the elderly.
你茶喝完了。
You're out of tea.
她被控纵火，当时她82岁的母亲还被困在车里——这工作简直太不可思议了。
An unlikely job perhaps convicted of setting a car on fire with her 82 year old mother trapped inside.
对我来说，这简直是能想到的最可怕的事了。
To me that's the most horrendous thing that you could think of.
我根本没法想象这种事。
I can't even comprehend it.
感谢天父赐予我们这顿饭。
Thank you heavenly father for this meal.
她的家人非常感激，她终于从监狱回家六个月了。
Her family is grateful for the six months she's been home from prison.
十五六岁正是最难熬的年纪，还得事事都像妈妈那样操心。
It's not easy being 15 and turning 16 and doing everything mom did.
但新的庭审马上就要开始了。
But the new trial is only days away.
我有点紧张，不过这也正常。
I'm a little nervous but that's just to be expected.
我真的不忍心看孩子们再经历一遍这种事。
I just hate to see my kids go back through this again.
这根本不是十岁孩子该承受的东西。
This is not something a 10 year old needs.
希拉·孙将再次面对那两位已经让陪审团相信她是故意纵火的证人。
Sheila Soon will face the same two witnesses who already have convinced one jury that she deliberately set the fire.
我觉得那两位消防调查员说得特别有说服力。
I think both of the fire inspectors were very convincing to me.
但这次，这些专家会受到杰拉德·赫斯特的挑战——他是希拉的朋友找来的一位化学博士科学家。
But this time, those experts will be challenged by Gerald Hurst, a scientist with a PhD in chemistry tracked down by Sheila's friend.
陪审团对州方的专家印象非常深刻。
The jurors were very impressed with the state's experts.
州方的专家确实挺厉害的。
The state's experts were good.
讲得挺有条理，但从技术上讲，我觉得他们纯属胡扯。
Good at presenting their case, but technically, I thought they were full of prunes.
赫斯特说，根本没理由把这场火灾定性为纵火。
Hurst says there is no reason to label this fire arson.
我真的觉得，这位女士是在没有任何实质证据的情况下被定罪的。
I really believe that a woman had been convicted without any real evidence.
这让你很生气吗？
And that makes you mad?
当然气人了。
Yeah, sure it does.
他和上帝之间，
Between him and God,
我们一定能证明清楚。
we'll prove it.
现在，离谢丽尔的新审判开始还有两天，
Now, two days before Sheila's new trial begins
他到时候会全身穿黑，明白吗？
He's gonna be all in black, okay?
他自费从德克萨斯州的奥斯汀飞过来作证。
He's flying in from Austin, Texas at his own expense to testify.
嗨，希拉。
Hi, Sheila.
你怎么样？
How are you?
我挺好的。
I'm fine.
你呢？
How are you?
他希望推翻检方的论点。
To he hopes shoot down the state's theory.
我对那些用伪科学来迫害人的案子特别关注，因为我是个科学家，这真的让我很反感。
I'm interested in cases that use junk science to persecute people, because I'm a scientist and it really offends me.
检方的专家说，只有用易燃液体——也就是助燃剂——点的火，才可能让希拉的车烧成这样。
The state's experts said that only a fire started with a flammable liquid, an accelerant, could have blazed through Sheila's car as this one did.
陪审团信了。
The jurors bought it.
火最旺的地方是在地板上。
The hottest portion of fire was across the floorboard.
那对你来说意味着什么？
And that meant what to you?
说明用了某种助燃剂。
That there was an accelerant of some sort.
就这么确定。
Period.
对。
Yes.
我一点都不怀疑。
No doubt in my mind.
所以陪审团推断，一定是谢丽尔放的火，毕竟车不可能自己着火。
So Sheila must have started it, the jury reasoned, since cars certainly don't set themselves on fire.
但杰拉尔德·赫斯特认为，这辆车很可能就是这么着火的。
But Gerald Hurst thinks that may be exactly what this one did.
在我看来，很可能是因为点火开关出了问题。
In my mind, it was probably caused by the ignition switch.
美国政府正在调查一起潜在的火灾隐患。
The US government looks into a potential fire hazard.
多年来，福特一直上了新闻，因为一些福特和水星车型的点火开关会引发车辆自燃。
For years, Ford was in the news because ignition switches in some Ford and Mercury vehicles were causing them to burst into flames.
这些有问题的点火开关被安装在1984到1993年间生产的两千三百万辆福特车上。
The suspect switches were installed in more than 23,000,000 Fords from 1984 to 1993.
就在弗里达·韦克斯去世前几个月，福特召回了其中约三分之一的车辆，但谢丽尔的车型没被包括在内，因为福特说他们的开关设计不一样。
Just months before Frieda Weeks died, Ford recalled about a third of those Sheila's model was not included because Ford says its switch design is different.
但批评者说，这其实同样存在火灾风险。
But critics say it poses the same potential fire hazard.
这种点火开关过去就多次引发过类似的火灾，而且由点火开关引起的火势，跟这起火灾的痕迹非常像。
This particular switch has a history of starting fires like that, and the fires that have been started by ignition switches look a lot like this fire looked.
在希拉的庭审上，州调查人员说他们排除了所有意外起火的可能性。
At Sheila's trial, state investigators said they eliminated all accidental causes.
这场庭审中，你觉得哪位专家最有说服力？
Which of the experts at this trial did you find to be the most persuasive?
拉尔夫·纽尔。
Ralph Newell.
拉尔夫·纽尔。
Ralph Newell.
真相，全部的真相，只讲真相，必须……
Truth, the whole truth, nothing but truth have to
拉尔夫·纽尔是检方请来的专家，最初其实是保险公司请来的。
get Ralph Newell was a prosecution expert who was originally brought in by the insurance company.
他们没能说服他。
They couldn't sway him.
他早就有了自己的答案。
He had an answer.
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他们问的每一个问题，他都能给出合理又让人信服的回答。
Every question they presented him, he had a reasonable and believable answer.
新尔博士从来没被问到点火开关的事，而他对这个可太了解了。
Newell was never asked about the ignition switch, something he knew a lot about.
就在火灾发生前一年，他还是福特的顾问，负责领导点火开关专项小组。
Just a year before the fire, he was a consultant to Ford, heading its ignition switch task force.
你有没有觉得奇怪，第一次庭审里居然完全没提点火开关的事？
Were you surprised that the whole ignition switch thing never came up in the first trial?
我简直惊呆了，尤其是她说自己很难把钥匙关掉的时候。
I was flabbergasted, particularly when she said she had trouble turning the key mechanism off.
这明显是个危险信号。
That's a red flag.
杰拉德·赫斯特认为，检方的说法根本站不住脚。
Gerald Hurst argues that the state's theory is simply wrong.
如果泼洒液体没造成这种又长又不规则的燃烧痕迹，那到底是什么造成的？
If pouring of the liquid didn't cause this long irregular burn pattern, what did?
掉下来。
Fall down.
掉下来？
Fall down?
是啊，滴落着燃烧的塑料。
Yeah, dripping flaming plastic.
那儿还有更多这种易燃塑料。
There's more of that flammable plastic right there.
赫斯特说，如今汽车里的塑料和泡沫，化学性质跟汽油很像。
Hurst says the plastic and foam in today's cars are chemical cousins of gasoline.
一旦点着，根本不需要别的东西，车就能烧得特别猛。
Once ignited, nothing extra is needed for a car to burn intensely.
瞧，这就是你说的倾倒液体。
Well, here's your pour, your liquid pour.
马上来了。
It's coming.
我得先把这塑料加热。
I had to heat the plastic up.
安迪说他能用几辆87款美洲豹的零件来证明——就是希拉那天开的那款。
Andy says he can prove it using materials from some 87 cougars, the same model Sheila drove that fateful day.
我这儿有块地毯，还有方向盘护罩的一小块。
I got a piece of carpet and I've got a piece of the steering column shroud here.
希拉和她的支持者们在一旁看着赫斯特做实验。
Sheila and her supporters watch as Hurst experiments.
我就想试试，让融化的塑料滴到地毯上，能不能把它点着。
I just wanna see if I can set that carpet on fire by letting plastic drip on it.
成了。
There we go.
它开始烧了。
She's starting.
塑料一着火，就开始猛烈燃烧。
The plastic catches on fire and begins to burn.
塑料烧起来的时候会融化，滴下来的那些小火滴就像流星一样。
As it burns, it melts, and as the melting drops, they're like little flaming meteors.
你看着塑料掉到地毯上，居然没自己熄灭。
You're watching the plastic not self extinguish when it hits the carpet.
只要火能点起来，不用任何助燃剂，整辆车都能烧光。
If you can get a fire started, you can burn a whole car out without an accelerator.
我心跳都快停了。
My heart's fluttering.
你只是想搞清楚真相，想找点实实在在的证据，好说：事情就是这么发生的。
You just wanted answers, concrete stuff to be able to put your finger on to say, you know, this is what happened.
终于，谢丽尔明白了这场悲剧火灾可能是怎么起的。
At last, Sheila says she understands how this tragic fire may have started.
但审判马上就要开始了，所有人都紧张得不行。
But with the trial about to begin, everyone is nervous.
太吓人了。
It's scary.
这事儿真让人心里发毛。
It's really scary coming.
因为上一次庭审我们信心满满。
Because we were so positive at the last trial.
连他们指望的专家都靠不住了。
Even the expert they're counting on.
我希望这能帮到她。
I hope it'll help her.
法庭上，真相和正义并不总能赢。
Truth and justice don't always prevail at trial.
我们回来再说。
When we come back.
我检查过点火开关，根本没问题。
There was nothing wrong with the ignition switch when I examined it.
庭审才是真正的较量开始了。
The battle begins at trial.
嗨。
Hi.
我叫洛伊德·洛克里奇，是Audacy推出的新播客《家族传奇》的主持人。
My name is Lloyd Lockridge, and I'm the host of a new podcast from Audacy called Family Lore.
在这个播客里，我会请人来讲讲他们家里那些稀奇古怪、甚至有点离谱的故事。
In this podcast, I'm going to have people on to tell unusual and sometimes farfetched stories about their families.
我这辈子一直听人说
I've heard my whole life
她发明了玛格丽特鸡尾酒。
that she invented the margarita.
然后我们会去查证这些故事，看看到底有几分是真的。
And then we're going to investigate those stories and find out how much of it is true.
他比莱特兄弟早一个月申请了专利。
He gets a patent one month before the Wright brothers.
天哪。
Oh my god.
别忘了关注并收听《Family Lore》，这档Audacy出品的播客现在已经在Apple播客、Spotify，还有你常用的任何平台上线了。
Please follow and listen to Family Lore, an Audacy podcast available now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your shows.
07:15。
07:15.
来吧。
Come on.
傻丫头，快过来。
Silly goose, come on.
我想让你
I want you to
闻起来香香的。
smell good.
她其实不记得之前的庭审了。
She actually doesn't remember the trial before.
所以为了让她安心，她才想过来。
So to help ease her mind, she wanted to come.
希拉·布莱恩让她10岁的女儿凯莉今天请假不去上学。
Sheila Bryan is letting her 10 year old daughter, Carrie, skip school today.
今天是审判的第一天，我紧张得不行，有点害怕。
This is the first day of the trial, and I'm jittery, a little scared.
这样她就能在希拉受审时坐在法庭里。
So she can be in court when Sheila stands trial.
要是把事情留给小孩去瞎想，那想象力可就停不下来了。
If you leave things to a child's imagination, it can really go wild.
她得亲眼看到当时发生了什么，心里才能踏实。
She needed to be able to visualize what was going on.
自从她母亲在希拉的车里去世，已经过去三年半了，检察官布拉德·希利坚持说是谋杀。
It's been three and a half years since her mother died in Sheila's car and prosecutor Brad Shealy insists it was murder.
简而言之，布莱恩小姐带着她妈妈开车，故意把车开下路，往车里倒了易燃液体，然后点着了火。
Basically, miss Bryan took her mother in a car, drove the car off the side of the road, put in an audible fluid in there and lit it.
如果再次被判有罪，希拉就得在监狱里度过余生。
If convicted again, Sheila will go to prison for life.
证词到底该不该说真话、全说真话，而不是隐瞒真相？
Just what's testimony about giving the following criminal matter to be the truth, the whole truth and never put the truth.
上帝能帮你吗？
Help you God?
能，先生。
Yes, sir.
好的。
Alright.
你有没有注意到车的油箱盖或者油箱口有什么异常？
Did you notice anything about the gas cap or the gas flap on the car?
油箱盖不见了，加油口是开着的。
The gas cap was missing and the filler cap was open.
谢莉尔的新律师康弗斯·布莱特说，这根本没什么可疑的。
Sheila's new lawyer, Converse Bright, argues there is nothing very suspicious about that.
如果出了什么事，你可以把它看成是恶意的，也可以当成是无意的。
If something occurs, you can either look at it as a sinister thing or an innocent thing.
很多人觉得，一旦车撞了，油箱露在外面，就会爆炸。
Many people think when you wreck a car and you have a gas tank open, it's gonna explode.
我经常忘记拧油盖，我觉得很多人都这样。
Leaving the gas cap off is something that I do and I think a lot of people do all the time.
你到现场之后，做了些什么？
Once you got on the scene, what did you do?
到那天结束的时候，
By the day's end All day's
躺下就睡了。
laid down, went to sleep.
拿了个软管，开始往里灌。
Got a hose, started to put
她做得不错。
And she did good.
布莱恩一家都松了口气。
All the Bryan's are a little relieved.
我觉得这招特别管用。
I think it worked real well.
好样的，伙计。
Good, bub.
但第二天，当初促成希拉定罪的那些专家又出庭作证了。
But the next day, the experts who were key to Sheila's first conviction again testify.
一个是消防局的罗尼·多宾斯，还有火情专家拉尔夫·纽尔。
Ronnie Dobbins from the fire marshal's office and fire expert Ralph Newell.
我认为这场火是人为纵火的。
It's my opinion this fire was incendiary in its origin.
希拉希望她的专家杰拉德·赫斯特能说服陪审团，这火很可能是点火开关故障引起的。
Sheila is hoping her expert, Gerald Hurst, can convince the jury that a faulty ignition switch probably started this fire.
这位置正好跟他们说的起火点完全吻合。
It's in exactly the right location for what they described as the point of origin of this fire.
但拉尔夫·纽尔直接否定了这个说法。
But Ralph Newell flatly dismisses that theory.
我认真考虑过，除了被火烧过之外，没发现其他问题。
I considered it very seriously and I found no problems with it other than it being exposed to a fire.
虽然第一次审判时根本没提过这事，但罗尼·多宾斯说，这个开关早就被排除了。
And although it never came up at the first trial, Ronnie Dobbins says the switch was long ago ruled out.
我没觉得有必要请工程师来检查一下。
I didn't see any cause to call an engineer or anything in to review it.
不过，
Still,
他看起来对这些细节有点犯怵。
he seems a bit daunted by the details.
点火开关长啥样？
What does an ignition switch look like?
跟陪审团说说，点火开关长啥样
Tell the jury what an ignition switch looks
就是方向盘柱上的一些电线和金属部件。
wires and some metal components on the steering column.
它有多大？
How big is it?
三英寸长？
Three inches long?
有六英寸长吗？
Is it six inches long?
有一英尺长？
Is it a foot long?
我也不知道。
I have no idea.
我是说，我从来没拆过一个。
I mean, I've never took one apart.
你看过这辆水星美洲狮的点火开关吗？
Did you look at the ignition switch on this Mercury Cougar?
我吗？
Did I?
他根本说不清它到底多长、多大、什么形状、什么颜色。
He couldn't tell you how long it was, how big it was, how it was shape, what color it was.
你到底能不能描述一下它？
Can you or can you not describe it?
不行，先生。
No, sir.
不过，拉尔夫·纽尔并不容易被问倒。
Ralph Newell, however, is not so easily rattled.
开关上方没有烧毁痕迹，开关周围也没有烧灼图案，线束也没受损，这些都说明开关本身没问题。
The lack of destruction above the switch, the burn patterns around the switch area, the lack of damage to the wiring harness around the switch, none of that indicated there was a switch problem.
他懂行。
He knows what he's talking about.
他知道点火开关长什么样。
He knows what ignition switch looks like.
他说根本不是点火开关的问题。
He says it wasn't the ignition switch.
我的意思是，这已经是非常确凿的证据了。
I mean, that's pretty definitive evidence on that.
希拉坚持认为，所有证据都表明是希拉·布莱恩故意纵火谋杀她母亲。
Sheila contends that all evidence shows that Sheila Bryan set the fire to murder her mother.
火势蔓延的痕迹一直延伸出去。
There was a burn pattern extending.
纽厄尔和多宾斯都作证说，只有易燃液体才能造成他们看到的那种强烈且不规则的燃烧痕迹。
Both Newell and Dobbins testify that only a flammable liquid could cause the intense irregular burn pattern they saw.
不可能有别的东西能形成这种痕迹。
There's nothing other that can produce that type of pattern.
这种燃烧痕迹在烧焦的残骸里很难看清，但有一小部分却非常明显。
That burn pattern is hard to see in the charred remains, but one small part of it clearly does stand out.
门框边缘有烧过的痕迹。
There was some burning along the threshold of the door.
这说明了什么？
What does that indicate to you?
门是开着的
That the door was
火灾发生时门是开着的。
open at the time of the fire.
他说，这是确凿证据，说明有人在起火后把门关上了。
Hard evidence, he says, that someone shut that door after the fire began.
那是受保护的区域。
That's a protected area.
门关着的时候，门框上根本不可能有烧灼痕迹。
When this door is closed, there should be no fire damage whatsoever to this threshold.
第一个陪审团觉得这一点非常关键。
The first jury found that very telling.
她坚持说，她关门是为了去求救，但如果是这样，那燃烧痕迹怎么会在门槛上呢？
She maintains that she shut the door to go get for help, and if that was the case, then how did the burn patterns get on the running board?
纽厄尔坚持认为，他看到的痕迹不是由滴落的燃烧塑料造成的。
And Newell insists the patterns he saw were not caused by dripping, flaming plastic.
我打扫地毯的时候，特意找过烧过的塑料残留物，或者任何可能误导我的烧灼痕迹。
When I cleaned the carpet, I looked for the residue of burning plastic or any pattern created by burning plastic that might give me a false lead.
结果什么都没找到。
I did not find that.
我觉得纽埃尔先生理解得非常到位。
I thought mister Newell did very well understand.
我觉得他这个人啊，真是个老狐狸。
I think he's a very personal felon.
我觉得他在陪审团面前的可信度特别高。
I think his credibility was very good with the jury.
跨过了门槛。
Crossed the threshold
他可真是把陪审团拿捏得死死的。
He sure worked that jury.
甚至都伸到门外去了。
As well as protruding out the door.
你再坚持一下。
You can hang in there.
你已经做得很好了。
You've been doing good.
希拉很担心。
Sheila is worried.
她怕这个陪审团会像第一个一样被带偏。
Worried that this jury will be swayed as the first one was.
最后就看陪审团信谁了，真让人无奈。
It's just gonna be whoever the jury believes, and that's sad.
归根结底，就是谁的说辞更让人信服。
It's just gonna boil down to somebody's opinion.
我依然信靠主。
I'm still trusting in the Lord.
她现在比以往更依赖杰拉尔德·赫斯特，他说能解释清楚检方最有力的证据。
And she's also counting more than ever on Gerald Hurst, who says he can explain the state's most incriminating evidence.
他们说，这只能是有人往那儿倒了助燃剂才造成的。
And they said that could only have been caused by an accelerant being poured there.
我找到了真正的病因。
I found the real cause.
当四十八小时继续下去的时候。
When forty eight hours continues.
她们母女俩的关系特别亲密，特别正常。
It was a very loving, very normal mother daughter relationship.
你有没有见过希拉对母亲动过粗？
Did you ever see Sheila treat her mother violently?
没有，先生。
No, sir.
在庭审中，佐治亚州坚持认为，希拉·布莱恩确实有动机杀害她的母亲。
At trial, the state of Georgia insists that Sheila Bryan in fact did have reason to murder her mother.
她母亲已经不是当年那个她一直深爱、照顾的人了，照顾她的压力实在太大了。
Her mother was not the same person that she had loved and cared for all these years and that the stress of dealing with her got too much.
这个动机对希拉的朋友和家人来说完全说不通。
That motive makes no sense at all to Sheila's friends and family.
韦克斯妈妈和希拉的关系让人羡慕。
Mama Weeks and Sheila had an enviable relationship.
她们不只是母女，更是朋友。
They were not only mother and daughter, they were friends.
希拉清清白白，一点黑历史都没有。
Sheila had no skeletons in her closet.
她们的关系好得没话说。
They had the very best of relationship.
所有本该知道点内情的人，都站出来为她作证了。
All the people who should have known something sinister came forward and testified for.
你郑重发誓，
You just solemnly swear that
但卡拉确实出庭作证了。
But Carla actually testified.
是的
Yeah.
她们关系非常好。
They had a very good relationship.
她们特别亲密。
They were very close.
看到自己的孩子坐在上面，真是心痛。
It's painful to see your child up there.
妈妈为奶奶做了她能做的一切。
Mama did everything she could for grandma.
虽然品格证人可能对她有点帮助。
Though character witnesses may help her some
认识我妈妈的人都知道，她不可能做出这种事。
Anybody who knows my mother knows she's not capable of anything like that.
真正决定谢丽尔命运的，可能是专家们。
It's the experts who probably will decide Sheila's fate.
而州方的专家再次让陪审团确信，她故意点燃了自己的车。
And the state's experts once again convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that she set fire to her car.
如果火是从点火开关开始烧起来的……
Had the fire originated at the ignition switch.
检方传唤了消防调查员拉尔夫·纽尔，他声称排除了所有意外可能，包括辩方最常提的点火开关问题。
Testifying for the prosecution, fire investigator Ralph Newell, who says he ruled out all accidental causes, including the defense's favorite, the ignition switch.
我检查了那些零部件。
I examined the components.
没发现电弧痕迹，也没任何故障迹象，点火开关根本没问题。
There's no arcing, no problems with those, and no evidence of failure of that ignition switch.
但接着他被追问和福特公司的关系。
But then he is grilled about his ties to Ford.
去年他们付了你十五万美元左右吧。
And they paid you 150,000 or so last year.
数字你手里有。
You have the numbers.
他还负责公司成立的一个专门小组，调查点火开关的问题。
And his role in heading a task force the company set up to investigate its ignition switches.
1995年的时候，他们让我去实地看看这到底是不是个真问题。
I was asked in 1995 to go out in the field to determine if this was really a problem.
95年？
Of '95?
对，95年，我说了，没错，你们确实有麻烦了。
Of '95 and says, yep, you got a problem.
那你当时没写过任何关于点火开关的报告，对吧？
You didn't make any reports about ignition switches then, did you?
没写过书面报告，先生，是按他们的要求做的。
No written reports, no sir, at their request.
因为那是他们特意吩咐的。
Because that was at their instructions.
律师让我干嘛，我就干嘛，没错。
I do whatever counsel asked me to do, yes.
福特1996年的召回只追溯到1988年，没包括谢丽尔那种1987年的美洲豹，因为福特说那些老款点火开关设计不一样。
Ford's recall in 1996 only went back to 1988 and didn't include 87 cougars like Sheila's because Ford says those older ignition switches have a different design.
但批评者认为，那些车型的点火开关同样有起火隐患。
But critics contend switches in those models have the same potential fire problem.
它们真的会着火。
They can catch fire.
这事儿挺随机的，但确实存在着火的可能性。
It's a random event, but the possibility does exist that it will catch fire.
完整的真相，别无其他。
The the whole truth, and nothing.
辩方的首位火灾专家克里斯·布卢姆说，在这个案子中，点火开关可能就是引发火灾的源头。
The defense's first fire expert, Chris Bloom, says in this case, the switch could have sparked the blaze.
我只能说，这烧损情况跟我见过的其他案例是一致的。
All I can say is that fire damage is consistent with what I've seen.
我当时最担心的，就是让陪审团掌握所有事实。
What I was concerned with was making sure the jury had all the facts.
第一次审判时，根本没提到福特的点火开关。
The first trial did not mention the Ford ignition switch at all.
你亲眼看见他宣誓了
You saw him swear
说他
that he
终于，希拉的王牌证人上庭了。
Finally, Sheila's star witness takes the stand.
来了。
Here we go.
她要开始了。
She's starting.
杰拉尔德·赫斯特描述了他用希拉那辆1987年美洲豹上拆下的塑料做的实验。
Gerald Hurst describes his experiments with the plastic stripped from 1987 cougars like Sheila's.
烧得可猛了。
It burns furiously.
这简直太惊人了。
It's extremely impressive.
火势猛得吓人，火苗又高又大，浓烟滚滚。
Very hot, very big flames, billowing smoke.
那场面真是让人过目难忘。
It's a sight to behold.
他指出，光是这玩意儿就足以引发猛烈大火，而且还会形成不规则的燃烧痕迹。
Not only is that enough to fuel an intense fire, he says, it produces that's right, irregular burn patterns.
根本不需要任何助燃剂。
No accelerant required.
赫斯特直接质疑了检方最有力的证据。
And Hurst challenges the state's most convincing evidence.
还记得那个 supposedly 证明火灾发生时莎拉门是开着的烧痕吗？
Remember the burn that supposedly proved Sheila's door was open when the fire began?
赫斯特发现，就算门是关着的，也可能出现类似的痕迹。
Hurst found how there might be damage even with that door closed.
门封那里有个裂缝，是工厂出厂时就有的，而且固定这个封条的金属条也有老化的损伤。
There is a break, a factory break in the door seal there, and there is also some ancient damage to the metal bar that holds that seal.
它已经被弄弯了。
It has been bent out.
他说，因为这个封条不密封，融化的塑料就从缝隙里流进来了。
Because that seal was not airtight, he says, melted plastic flowed through it.
车子当时烧得极热，融化的塑料在燃烧，跟普通液体一样流动。
You had a very hot car and you had flaming melted plastic and it behaved just like any other liquid.
它直接从门底下流过去，穿过那个裂缝，一大团塑料就这么流了进来，往下渗透，之后往右扩散了一点，往左却蔓延得特别广。
It simply flowed under the door, through the brake, and this mass plastic flowed into here, down through this breach here, and subsequently spread a little to the right and a lot to the left.
他说，如果州方专家没忽略这个关键线索，他们本来应该能注意到这一点。
The state's experts would have seen that, he says, had they not ignored a vital clue.
我一看就发现，有两个痕迹长得一模一样。
The obvious thing when I looked at it was there are two marks that look the same.
在门槛更靠后的地方，还有第二个痕迹。
A second mark, further back on the threshold.
这种相似性太惊人了。
The similarity is remarkable.
看看这些颜色和形状，很明显是同一种原因造成的。
You look at the colors and the shapes of these things, you can say, well, they were obviously caused by the same phenomenon.
第二个痕迹离车前部的烧灼痕迹远着呢。
That second mark is nowhere near that burned trail in the front of the car.
这两个痕迹根本不是助燃剂造成的。
Those two patterns there were not caused by an accelerant.
那是熔化的塑料流出来的，我对此毫不怀疑。
Those were caused by flowing plastic and there is no doubt in my mind about that.
这就又把问题引回了点火开关，最可能的元凶就是它。
Which brings him back to the ignition switch as the most likely culprit.
我认为这绝对是可能性最大的原因。
I believe that is by far the most probable cause.
但赫斯特也承认，他没法证明自己的推测。
But Hurst does admit he cannot prove his theory.
如果真的是点火开关的电路短路引起的火，你真能百分百确定吗？
You cannot definitely say that the fire was caused by the electrical short in the ignition switch if it occurred, can you?
我也不能百分百排除是陨石撞的。
I cannot definitely say that it was not caused by a meteorite.
但要是从常理来看，这八成是电路起火。
But if you look at it from a reasonable standpoint, this is probably an electrical fire.
这有可能是意外吗？
Could it have been an accident?
还是说火是有人故意放的？
Or was the fire deliberately set?
陪审团到底该信哪个专家？他们可都是经验老道的。
Which experts, all of them highly experienced, will the jury believe?
事情越逼近，人就越紧张。
The closer it gets, the more anxious you get.
我们回来继续
When we come back
主啊，我们只求您赐下公正的裁决。
Lord, we just ask for return the verdict.
我是无辜的。
I'm not guilty.
谢丽尔的命运。
Sheila's fate.
最终的裁决。
The verdict.
天上的父啊，这些日子对谢丽尔来说太艰难了。
Our heavenly father, these have been trying days for Sheila.
我们怀着谦卑的心来到您面前。
And we come with humble hearts.
我们知道，已经提出了许多针对她的指控和证据。
And we know that a lot of circumstances have been presented as charges against her.
我们祈求，这些指控能在陪审员心中渐渐消融。
We pray that these might melt away in the minds of the jurors.
希拉·布莱恩正在给自己打气，准备接受陪审团的裁决。
Sheila Bryan is stealing herself for the jury's decision.
阿门。
Amen.
她是能回家和家人团聚，还是会重回监狱，一辈子都出不来？
Will she go home with her family or go back to prison for life?
我现在最担心的是嘉莉。
Carrie's the one I'm really worried about.
昨晚她特别难受，情绪很低落
Last night, she was real upset.
估计是这些事终于压得她撑不住了
I guess it just hit her.
一个劲地哭
She was crying
哭了好久好久
and crying.
这
The
陪审团花了三个小时才做出决定。
jurors take three hours to decide.
我们陪审团裁定，被告希拉·布莱恩，第一项罪名不成立。
We, the jury, find the defendant, Sheila Bryan, as to count one not guilty.
他刚说出第一项罪名不成立时，法庭里的人好像一下子被抽走了空气，全都倒吸了一口凉气。
When he said the first count not guilty, it was just like the people in the courtroom sucked out the air because everyone gasped.
第二项罪名，不成立。
Count two, not guilty.
第三项罪名，不成立。
Count three, not guilty.
然后，真的就……是了。
It was just like, and then, yes.
于是，在经历了整整三年半的煎熬后，希拉·布莱恩所有指控全部无罪释放。
And so, three and a half long years after her ordeal began, Sheila Bryan is acquitted on all charges.
那她
What did
说了什么吗？
she say?
她本来还以为
It was gonna
对希拉来说，这是她的信念熬出了头。
For Sheila, it's a triumph of faith.
对这几位陪审员来说，这事只关乎能不能合理判断。
For these jurors, it's simply a question of sound judgment.
他们根本没拿出任何能证明她有罪的证据。
They did not give us any evidence that she did do it.
难道就凭他们空口白牙，我们就要给她定罪吗？
And we're supposed to convict her on their say so.
他们对检方提出的案情描述一直存疑。
They're skeptical of the state's scenario.
她得让个罐子之类的东西顺着那条沟坡滑下去。
She would have to have a can or whatever go down that ditch bank.
那坡可真够陡的。
That was a steep embankment.
她得把油
She would
倒到地板上，
have to
冒个险，指望别着火，还希望别有人从那条路上经过。
pour it on the floorboard and take a chance on, you know, it catching her and hope that nobody came down that road.
他们对检方的证据根本不买账。
They are unimpressed by the state's evidence.
他们没向我们证明那辆车里
They didn't prove to us that there
有加速剂。
was an accelerator in that car.
没错
That's
对的
right.
而且当时根本没有
And there was no
另外大家对州方请来的专家拉尔夫·纽厄尔也抱有疑虑。
And leery of state expert Ralph Newell.
福特给他开了15万美元。
Ford pays him a $150,000.
你真觉得他会大老远来这儿，说这场火是点火系统故障导致的，或是说有可能是点火系统出问题引发的吗？
Do you honestly think he's gonna come in here and say that it was an ignition fire or it could have been an ignition fire?
在他们看来，辩方的明星证人杰拉尔德·赫斯特的说法更站得住脚。
To them, defense star witness Gerald Hurst made more sense.
他在陪审团眼里比任何人都更有公信力。
He had more credibility with the jury than anybody.
谢谢您，赫斯特医生。
Thank you, doctor Hurst.
哦。
Oh.
我……
I
要不是有这儿这么多人帮衬，我根本做不到。
wouldn't have been able to do this if I hadn't gotten all that help down here.
她这儿有全世界最好的朋友。
She's got best friends in the world.
这是芥菜叶子？
That's turnip greens?
你从这事儿里赚了多少钱？
How much did you make off
啊？
of this?
我这事儿没赚到什么钱。
I didn't make much in the way of money.
谢谢你。
Thank you.
希拉给我做了一道鸡肉砂锅菜。
Sheila did make me a chicken casserole.
就这？
That was it?
整整一周我都吃得特别好。
And I got very well fed for an entire week.
你是免费帮的忙？
You did this pro bono?
是啊，当然了。
Oh, yes.
你怎么看另一个陪审团不仅判她有罪，还判了终身监禁？
What do you make of the fact that another jury not only convicted this woman, but sent her to prison for life?
就我们掌握的证据来看，我觉得
With evidence that we had, I see
他们根本不可能干出这种事。
no reason they could have done it.
但第一场审判的某些陪审员
Still, some jurors from the first trial
我心中毫不怀疑。
There's no doubt in my mind.
依然坚持他们的判决。
Stand firm in their conviction.
我心里还是觉得她有罪。
In my heart, I still think she's guilty.
不管她现在是不是自由的，我都觉得她有罪。
Whether she's a free woman today or not, I still feel like she's guilty.
对。
Mhmm.
一个女人被判终身监禁。
You have a woman sent to prison for life.
再来一次审判。
Next trial.
判有罪。
Guilty.
她被无罪释放了。
She's acquitted.
她自由了。
She's free.
我的意思是，这说明了什么？
I mean, what does this tell you?
这让我觉得，我们的司法系统里有太多随机性了。
It tells me that there's an awful lot of randomness in our court system.
真是令人惊讶。
It's remarkable.
说真的，这太吓人了。
It's frightening, actually.
要不是谢丽尔·布莱恩碰巧找到了这些专家，这事根本就不可能曝光。
But it was only a fluke that Sheila Bryan ever found these experts.
现在你对点火开关理论可是一清二楚了。
So you now know all about the ignition switch theory.
你真觉得谢丽尔·布莱恩杀了她妈妈？
Do you honestly believe that Sheila Bryan killed her mother?
重要的是那12个陪审员一致做出的决定。
What's important is what 12 jurors decided unanimously.
你不会要说出来吧？
You're not gonna say, are you?
不会的，夫人。
No, ma'am.
已经够糟的了，这事居然发生在我身上，更糟的是，还牵连到了我的孩子们。
It's bad enough that it was done to me, but it's worse that it was done to my children.
今天有人在学校里说你妈妈的坏话。
Somebody in school said something bad about your mom today.
对。
Mhmm.
他们说什么了？
What'd they say?
说她
That she
是个杀人犯。
was a murderer.
人们得明白，这种事随时也可能发生在他们自己身上。
People need to realize, you know, just how easily this could have happened even to them.
喂！
Hey!
拖两个，就是
Drag two, that's
别拖了！
drag No!
慢慢才反应过来。
Slowly sinks in.
也许一切都结束了，你知道的。
Maybe it's all over, you know.
女孩们现在确定了，妈妈再也不会被带走。
The girls know for certain now, their mother will not be taken away again.
但我们谁都再也回不到从前了。
But none of us will never be quite exact the same.
希拉说，她终于开始接受母亲离世的事实。
Sheila says she is finally beginning to come to grips with losing her mother.
现在她可以安息了。
Now she can rest.
你相信她是在火灾发生前就去世了吗？
Do you believe that she died before that fire started?
是的，我相信。
Yeah, I do.
这对我很有帮助。
And that helps me.
她说，更让我安心的是，想起弗里达·威克斯是怎么活的。
What helps even more, she says, is remembering how Frieda Weeks lived.
她一直努力做个坚强的人。
Always tried to be a strong person.
我妈妈也是个坚强的人。
My mother was a strong person.
你觉得她会相信你能挺过这一关吗？
Would she have had confidence that you would make it through this okay?
会的。
Yeah.
对，她一定会相信的。
Yeah, she would have.
当家族的顶梁柱加里·费里斯失踪后，家人把整个庄园翻了个底朝天，结果却发现了令人毛骨悚然的东西。
When beloved family patriarch Gary Ferris went missing, his family looked everywhere on their property until they came across something horrifying.
这是一起谋杀案。
It's a homicide.
毫无疑问。
Absolutely.
这家人互相推诿，谁也不肯认错，闹得没完没了。
The blame game in this family went round and round.
欢迎收听《血浓于水》之《费里斯家族》。
This is Blood is Thicker, the Ferris Wheel.
我看不出谁能看完这个故事，还觉得他们过得幸福。
I would don't see how anyone can look at this story and think they were happy.
赶紧去Audacy免费应用，或者你常用的播客平台，一口气听完《血浓于水》之《费里斯家族》全集。
Binge the full series, Blood is Thicker, The Ferris Wheel on the free Audacy app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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