专业作家如何借助AI进行写作

嘿，我是丹·希珀，这周我很高兴能和大家分享一期特别的《AI与潜水》节目。

Hey, it's Dan Shipper, and this week I'm excited to share a very special episode of AI and Dive.

在这一期里，我们提前预览了一个实验性的新插件，叫做“复合写作”，它能帮你像我们内部那样用AI来写作。

In this episode, we're previewing the release of an experimental new plugin called compound writing, which helps you write with AI the way that we do internally.

这个插件的灵感来自基兰·克拉森的“复合工程”，而且是由我们的特约撰稿人凯蒂·帕罗特开发的。

It's inspired by Kieran Klassen's compound engineering, and it's built by one of our staff writers, Katie Parrott.

为了聊聊这个插件，以及凯蒂为什么做它、她怎么用，娜塔莉亚·金特罗担任了本期的主持。

To help talk about this plugin and why Katie made it and how she uses it, Natalia Quintero is the host of this episode.

她是我们的AI咨询主管，之前也来过播客几次，她真的是一位非常出色的采访者。

She's our head of AI consulting, and she's been on the podcast a few times, and she's just an incredible interviewer.

所以我很期待大家听凯蒂和娜塔莉亚的对话。

So I'm really excited for you to hear Katie and Natalia chat.

今天我们请到了凯蒂·帕罗特，她是Every的特约撰稿人。

Today we're talking to Katie Parrott, staff writer at Every.

凯蒂，如果你关注Every有一段时间了，那你对她应该很熟悉了。

Katie, if if you've been following Every for a while now, will be very familiar to you.

她是我们最优秀的作者之一，今天非常高兴能深入了解她的写作流程和她的新插件。

She's one of our all star writers and we're so excited to learn more about her writing process and her new plug in today.

嗨，凯蒂，你好吗？

Hi Katie, how are you?

我挺好的。

I'm good.

你呢？

How are you?

我也很好。

So good.

我对这次对话超级期待。

I am so excited for this conversation.

我在这期播客里要暴露自己是凯蒂的粉丝了。

I am revealing myself as a Katie fangirl on on the podcast.

这是互相的，我们互相欣赏。

It's a it's a mutual fandom.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的，Katie，差不多两年前，你为Every写了一篇最受欢迎的文章之一，讲的是你刚被裁员，可能还正处于心理健康危机中，你也公开写过这件事，然后你决定把ChatGPT当作职业教练。

Okay so Katie, almost exactly two years ago you wrote one of your most popular pieces for Every, and it was about how you had just been laid off and also maybe were in the middle of a mental health crisis, which you've written publicly about, and you decided to turn to ChatGPT as a career coach.

但那时候你也是个AI怀疑论者，现在想想可能觉得不可思议，因为你正在做的那些工作。

But at the time you were also an AI skeptic, which might be crazy to think about now given some of the work that you're doing.

你能带我们回到那个时期吗？

But can you take us back to that period?

当时你的职业生涯和那个时刻发生了什么，让你最初求助于ChatGPT？

What was going on in your career and in that moment in time that led you to turn to ChatGPT in the first place?

我刚被一家加密货币公司解雇，在那里我担任编辑，为团队代笔。

So I had just been let go from a crypto firm where I was working as an editor in Ghostwriter for the team.

而且，你知道，事后看来，当时确实很痛苦，但事后想想，那是我遇到的最好的事情，因为它把我带回了Every。

And, you know, that in hindsight, like it was traumatizing at the time, but in hindsight, it was like the best thing that ever happened to me because it led me back to Every.

但正如你提到的，我当时感到非常迷茫，你知道，我试过加密货币。

And but I was feeling really lost, as you mentioned, you know, like I had, like, tried crypto.

我试过在公司内部找机会。

I had tried, you know, in house.

也试过在外面找。

I had tried out of house.

各种不同的路子我都试过了。

Like, I had tried all these different things.

我感觉自己已经黔驴技穷了，真的需要听听别人的意见。

And I I felt like I was at the end of what I could do on my own, and I really needed an outside perspective.

但当时我手头紧，也不知道失业会持续多久，所以请职业顾问对我来说不太现实。

But because I was working on a budget with no clear visibility into how long I would be unemployed, hiring a real career coach wasn't really an option for me.

那时候我对ChatGPT已经有些了解了。

So I had some exposure to ChatGPT at that time.

我之前做内容营销经理的时候，其实用过它来写简报。

I had actually used it, to produce briefs at a previous job as a content marketing manager.

当时我们有个代理机构，我在那份工作上抑郁得不行，连一个字都写不出来。

We had an agency and I realized and I was I was, like, hitting a wall of depression at that job and like could not bring myself to put words on a page.

但我发现，如果我用ChatGPT来生成一些重复性的内容，它就成了一个辅助工具，我把它当作思考的工具，这个说法也是我那时候看到Dan用过的，因为我当时在关注Every。

But I found that if I used ChatGPT to generate some of the repetitive stuff, And it became this assistive tool that I used as a tool for thought, which was a phrase I'd also seen Dan use around the same time, because I was following Every at the time.

所以，就是这些因素结合在一起，我当时想，好吧，我付不起每小时150美元或者职业教练那么贵的费用，但我可以花20美元一个月订阅ChatGPT，也能得到类似的效果，比如把我的想法外化，获得外部视角，还能督促我思考自己的职业道路，在我容易把事情想得太糟、总是往坏处想的时候，它也会挑战我，让我跳出自己的思维模式。

And so it was kind of that combination of things where I was like, okay, I can't afford like $150 an hour or however much a career coach would be, but I can sign up for a $20 a month ChatGPT subscription and get some of that same result of externalizing my thinking and getting an outside perspective and just holding me accountable for how I was thinking about my career journey and challenged me when I would get a little, like, have a tendency to catastrophize and assume the worst, and kind of took me out of myself in that way too.

对我来说，这真的是一次很棒的经历，而且最终也让我来到了Every。

And it was just, like, a really great experience for me and, like, kind of and it ultimately led me to Every.

是的。

So yeah.

你写的那篇文章真的很棒，而且你的文章里总是有一些特别精彩的妙语，读起来让人特别开心。

It's such a cool post that you wrote, and you have you just always have such great zingers in your writing that are just so delightful to read.

我希望我们在视频里分享的时候，能展示一些你ChatGPT提示词和截图的画面，因为看两年前、两年半前的对话，感觉挺有年代感的。

I hope when we are sharing this on video we can pull up some of the screenshots of just what your ChatGPT prompts and screenshots look like, because it feels vintage to be looking at, you know, chat from two, two and a half years ago.

但你在那篇文章里有一句特别棒的话。

But in that post you have this really great quote.

那句话有点长，但我还是想试着读一下，因为我有个问题想问你。

It's a little lengthy, but I'm gonna try to read it because I have a question about it.

你说过，写作最让我喜欢的一点是，我从来不知道自己想什么，直到写下来才明白，但一旦写下来，就变得一目了然。

So you say, One of my favorite things about writing is that I never know what I think until I write it down, but once I write it down it becomes obvious.

归根结底，向ChatGPT提问其实是一种非常具体的策略性写作。

Ultimately, what's prompting ChatGPT is a form of very specific strategic writing.

你觉得我用ChatGPT做实验，有没有让我的思路更清晰？

Do I think my experiment with ChatGPT added clarity to my thinking?

是的，确实有。

Yes, it has.

但就像很多这类工具一样，真正的工作还是得自己来做。

But as with so many of these tools, the real work is still mine.

事实证明，清晰的想法不是数字助手或者人类教练送上门来的。

Clarity, it turns out, doesn't arrive gift wrapped from a digital assistant or even a human coach.

这是我自己一点一点挖出来的，通过一个个问题和一次次提示。

It's something I had to dig out for myself, question by question and prompt by prompt.

真正的清晰、方向和答案，来自于你亲自参与提示、自己努力思考的过程。

True clarity, direction and answers come from the process of engaging with the prompts and doing the hard work yourself.

AI可以帮你指引方向，但路还是要你自己走。

AI can help guide the way, but the journey is yours to take.

真的太美了，太酷了，而且你知道吗，我觉得你的写作特别打动我的一点是，它跟我用AI的体验非常像。我一开始被那种可能有个简单答案、简单解决方案的诱惑吸引，但实际上我不断发现的是，我在学习一些一直存在于我内心的东西，但我必须付出努力、理清思路，才能真正把它挖掘出来。

Just so beautiful, just so so cool, and you know I think one of the things that really resonates with me about your writing is that this feels so reflective of my experience using AI, where I attracted to the possibility of maybe an easy answer, an easy solve, but actually what I constantly find myself doing is learning something that was always there inside of me, but I had to put some work in and some clarity into to like actually get it out of me.

你能多讲讲你在早期使用AI的经历，以及这种非常实用、高价值的体验，让你对使用AI有了什么认识吗？

Can you tell me a little bit more about what using AI in this very early experience and this very kind of practical high value experience, what it taught you about using AI?

首先它让我明白，我可以用AI来改变我的生活，这一点在过去的几年里我一直铭记在心。

So the first thing it taught me is that I can use AI to to make change in my life, which is something that I've continued to carry through over the last couple of years.

你知道吗，我真的是根据技术对我实际产生的影响来评判它的。

You know, I really judge the technology by the impact it's had practically for me.

而且，比如说，我用了那个职业教练，我记得当我收到Kate的邀请，让我写后来成为《加班》专栏的文章时，我还在跟ChatGPT讨论这是不是正确的选择，因为我当时有点犹豫不决。

And, you know, the fact that I, you know, used the career coach, for example, I remember talking when I, like, got the invitation from Kate to write what ultimately became working overtime, my column, I was, you know, talking to ChatGPT about whether it was the right step for me to take because, I was kind of on the fence.

那时候这会是自由职业的工作。

It would have been freelancing at the time.

我当时在犹豫是选这个，还是找一份全职的工作。

I was kind of on the fence about that versus looking for a full time opportunity.

ChatGPT 就推了我一把，说，嗯，为什么不先试试呢？

And ChatGPT nudged me in the direction of like, well, why not try it in the mean time?

我照做了，现在我就站在这里。

And I did that, and now I'm here.

在我使用 AI 的整个过程中，这真的是关键——它给了我思考的框架，当然也成了我思考的对象，但说到底，最重要的还是劳动的成果，也就是看到 AI 能回馈给我什么。

And throughout my experience with AI, that's really been the thing is that it's given me both the framework for thinking, and obviously it's become the thing I think about, But it's really just about the fruits of the labor, so to speak, and seeing what AI is able to give back to me, so.

所以听起来，你早期利用 AI 的一个收获就是，你真的能让它成为对你有用的工具。

So it sounds like one of the early takeaways that you had in leveraging AI was that you could really get it to be a valuable tool for you.

这让我想起你写的另一篇很受 Every 读者欢迎的文章，我记得标题是《AI 把我变成了一个人的内容机构》。

And so that reminds me of another post that you wrote that was really popular with the Every Audience, and I believe it's titled AI turned me into a content agency of one.

在这篇文章的开头，你提到当时你是个自由职业者，那是 2025 年初，你意识到自己可能接的活儿太多了，答应要交付的自由职业项目数量超出了你的能力。

And early in this post, talk about how at the time you were a freelancer, so this is early twenty twenty five, and you realize that you had overcommitted yourself, or potentially overcommitted yourself, with the number of freelance projects that you had agreed to deliver.

然后你列出了一堆你在两周内承诺要交付的东西。

And then you go on to list the number of things that you had committed to delivering in a two week period.

包括八篇博客文章、三本电子书、24 条 LinkedIn 帖子——这还没完——24 条 X 帖子、16 条 Instagram 帖子。

This includes eight blog posts, three ebooks, 24 LinkedIn posts we're not even halfway through, 24 x posts, 16 Instagram posts.

说实话，我一个月根本写不出这么多内容。

I mean, there is just no way I could write this amount of content in a month.

你是怎么学会这么做的？

How did you learn to do that?

你是怎么学会用AI生成这么多内容，而且质量还这么高的？

How did you learn to use AI to generate this amount of content and at the caliber that I know you deliver?

我觉得那段时间我其实是在摸索一个东西，当时我还没这么叫它，因为这个词还没流行起来，但现在叫上下文工程。

I think around this time was when I was really discovering, like I wouldn't have used this language because it hadn't really become a thing yet, but context engineering.

我发现，如果我给模型打好基础，比如品牌信息、产品细节、目标受众这些，我就能让AI的输出往我想要的方向走。

And what I realized was if I gave the model a really good foundation in terms of the brand messaging, product specifics, audience specifics of the companies that I was working for, I could shape the AI outputs toward the direction that I wanted.

所以其实前期做了很多基础工作，一旦这些做好了，后面就可以快速推进了。

So it was really a lot of foundational work that once that was set, I could kind of just iterate through.

而且很多内容都是重新利用的，这也是大家最初特别感兴趣的一点。

And it helped that a lot of the things were content repurposing, which is one of the first things that people were really excited about.

Every最早推出的产品之一就是Spiral，专门做内容再利用，因为这是Every当时经常做的事情。

One of the first products that Every put out was Spiral, which was all about content repurposing because that's something that Every was doing a lot.

你有一篇文章，想把它变成领英帖子、博客，你知道的，推特帖子、博客文章。

You have a post, you wanna turn it into a LinkedIn post, a blog, you know, a Twitter post, a blog post.

所以，我就意识到，我就像，好吧，我会把AI需要做好工作的所有背景信息都写出来。

And so, it was just like, I realized I like I was like, okay, I'll write through all of the surrounding information that the AI needs to do a good job.

然后，前期投入的越多，后面的过程就越轻松。

And then the more I put in that work upfront, the easier the process got farther down the line.

这也是我在使用AI过程中的整体感受，就是一开始你会觉得特别费力，花很多时间，你知道的，搭建场景，把所有东西都准备好，比如工具、集成和上下文文档。

And that's something that I found with my AI experience overall, is just like you invest like, at first, it feels really effortful, and you you're spending a lot of time, you know, setting the scenes, like, getting everything lined up, like, in terms of your tools and your integrations and your context documents.

但是一旦环境搭建好了，你就可以快速跑起来，而且跑得飞快。

But when you have that environment set up, you can just kind of run and, like, run fast.

这就是我当时过度承诺自己时能做到的，而六个月后我又这么干了一次。

And that's what I was able to do when I overcommitted myself that that time, which I did again, like, six months later.

我觉得这可能是Every公司每个人的共同特点。

I I think this might be a common characteristic of everyone at Every.

我们能多聊聊你创建的那些文件、上下文和设置吗？因为我觉得我记得你分享给我们的一些上下文文件，而且我当时也看到了。

Can we talk a little bit more about what was in those files and in the context and in the setup that you created to let you run fast, because I think I remember some of the context files that you shared with us, and that I saw you know around that time.

但我很好奇，这具体是什么样的？

But I'm curious, like, what does that look like?

你是分享文件夹吗？

Were they folders that you were sharing?

还是Claude上的项目？

Were they projects on Claude?

跟我讲讲，这些东西具体是什么样的。

Like, walk me through what some of those things looked like.

不是项目，因为那时候项目功能还没出来。

They weren't projects because projects didn't exist yet.

我记得项目功能上线的时候，我还回想了一下那段时间。

And I remember at the time, like at the time projects launched, I thought back to that that period.

我当时就想，真希望那时候就有这个功能，因为我得手动复制粘贴很多内容。

I was like, I really wish that this had existed when I was doing this because I had to do a lot of manual copy and pasting.

比如，我有一些固定的文档，放在Google文档里，然后我会复制粘贴到上下文窗口里，这样那个助手——其实那时候还不是助手。

Like, I would have my persistent documents and I would just in a Google Doc, and I would copy and paste into the context window so that the agent, so that it wasn't an agent.

嗯，我想也许那算是个代理吧。

Well, I guess maybe it was an agent.

我也不太确定。

I don't know.

但这样模型就能获取到那些信息了。

But so that the model would have access to that information.

这其实源于我在内容营销领域做风格指南的经验。

And it really came from my experience in the content marketing world building style guides.

每个像样的品牌都会有一个信息源头，用来记录：我们的受众是谁？

Every brand worth its salt has a source of truth where they document, okay, who is our audience?

他们的痛点是什么？

What are their pain points?

我们的产品如何对应这些痛点？

How does our product map to those pain points?

我们的竞争对手是谁，我们的差异化优势又在哪里？

What is our competition and what are our differentiators?

这些是我以前做内容经理时习惯做的工作单元。

These are units of sort of work that I was used to doing as a content manager.

所以我就从自己熟悉的东西开始。

And so I just started with what I was familiar with.

我从自己知道的开始，把这些信息给模型，它做得很好。

I started with what I knew and gave that information to the model, and it did a good job.

那时候我就想，好吧，这看起来挺管用的。

At that point, was like, Okay, this seems to be working.

然后项目就来了，我也就做了。

And then projects came along, and I did.

所以突然之间，我不需要再复制粘贴了，因为我可以使用项目文档，还可以用自定义指令来设置项目。

So suddenly I didn't have to copy paste anymore because I could use the project documents, and I could use the custom instructions to sort of set a project up.

每个自由职业客户我都有一个项目。

And I had a project for every freelance client.

我写的每个专栏也都有一个项目，因为那时候我在Every做的事情开始变得多样化。

I had a project for every column that I worked on because I was starting to spread out in terms of what I was doing at Every at that time.

但归根结底，还是要遵循写作的基本规则，知道我们的受众是谁，明白我们有什么独特之处要表达，然后把这些基础信息都喂给AI，这样它就有了运行的轨道。

But it all comes down to basic rules of writing and knowing who is our audience, you know, what is our different, like what is what is our differentiated thing that we have to say and just feeding the AI all of that foundational stuff so that it feels so that it kind of has rails to run on.

我总觉得，这就像是在给模型设置护栏，给它一个围起来的场地，让它在那里自由发挥。

That's what I always think of is just, like, creating guardrails and kind of, like, a fenced in place for the model to play.

这样你就不用太担心它会给出完全错误的东西，因为你已经在引导它往正确的方向走了。

And then you don't have to, like, worry so much about getting something that's completely wrong because you're kind of pushing it in the right direction.

你给了它一个游乐场。

You've given it a playground.

我知道这是我们团队里迈克·泰勒非常在意的事情，就是保持上下文窗口的干净，并且非常谨慎地选择你给模型的游乐场。

I know this is something that Mike Taylor on our team cares a lot about, you know, having really clean context windows and being very selective of what playground you're giving model.

以你现在的经验，作为一个作家，你觉得是什么让你的项目如此成功？

Knowing what you know now and as a writer, what are the things that you think have made it so that your projects are so successful?

是因为你对好写作有非常明确的观点吗？

Is it having a really strong point of view on what good writing is?

还是对好的内容营销有明确的观点？

On what good content marketing is?

你觉得哪些方面特别需要有明确的观点？

Like, what are those things that are so important to have a strong perspective on?

我觉得首先不是写作本身，而是其他方面的背景信息，比如你给它的数据，还有像人物、受众画像这些框架，以及它应该跟谁对话。

I think it's it's less about the the writing at first than it is about the the contact the other kinds of context, like the the data that you're giving it, the the frameworks for, like, person audience personas and who should they should be talking to.

你得先把这些基础打好，才能谈到像“用这些词，避免那些词”这样的细节。

Like, you need all of that in place before you can even get to stuff like use the use these words and avoid these words.

比如，偏好这个阅读难度，采用这种语气。

Like, prefer this level of reading difficulty and strike this tone.

在你开始调整这些细节之前，得先把那些基础要素都设置好。

Before you even get to the point where you're sort of messing with that kind of stuff, have, you need to have those foundational elements kind of set up.

然后，你才会一直纠结措辞和句法的问题。

Then like, you'll be wrestling with this diction and syntax thing for the rest of forever.

你提到的数据，具体是指需要放进去哪些数据？

And when you're referring to the data, what is the data that you would need to put in there?

这个嘛，就是文章的具体内容了。

Well, that's the that's the specifics of the piece.

所以，我特别强烈地感觉到，作为人类，我们在AI和AI写作这个奇妙世界里的角色，就是写作中存在一个“最后一公里”的问题，尤其是在AI和写作结合的时候。AI的知识是有截止日期的，对吧？

So like something that I feel really strongly about it, like as like our role as humans in this wonderful world of AI and AI writing specifically, is that there's sort of a last mile problem in writing, in AI and writing, which is AI has that knowledge cut off, right?

它总是基于几个月前的数据在工作。

It's always working with data that's several months out of date.

而我们人类的工作，就是去弥合这最后一公里，提供AI无法获取的真实世界经验，因为这些经验都发生在知识截止日期之后。

And our job as the humans is to close that last mile and provide the real world experiences that AI can't get because they come after the knowledge cut off.

而且这些经验也发生在现实世界的某个地方，而AI还没有进入现实世界，物理世界。

And it's also out there happening somewhere in the real world, and AI is not in the real world, the physical world yet.

所以，当我说研究的时候，我其实指的是那些独特的，或者说数据，就是那些独特的见解。

So when I say research, I'm really talking about the unique or data that it's like the unique insights.

无论是你们公司自己做的研究，还是你引用的第三方研究——这也是我在写加班内容时特别喜欢做的事情——就是所有构成写作的要素，模型可以基于这些要素来工作。

So that whether that's like a study that your company has produced or third party research that you're pulling in, which is something that I love to do in my writing for working overtime, it's all of the all of the constitutive elements that go into the writing, and the model can then work from that.

但真正让写作变得独特的，是这些输入。

But inputs are really what makes the writing unique.

我觉得很多时候，人们用AI写作时，就直接说“写一篇关于风格指南的博客文章”，然后就完事了。

I think a lot of times when people are writing with AI, they just kind of go with two and say, write a blog post about style guides.

我们就拿这个当例子吧。

Let's just use that as an example.

而且他们什么信息都不给。

And they don't give it anything to go on.

他们就说，写一篇关于风格指南的文章，就靠你模型自己知道的东西。

They're just like, a post about style guides based on what you, the model, already know.

但模型已经知道的东西，都是些大众化的信息。

But then what the model already knows is commoditized information.

这些信息没什么用，也不有趣。

Like, that's not useful or interesting.

所以，数据就是那些独特的见解、模型还没接触到的数据点、个人经验，所有这些加在一起，最终才能让文章变得独特。

So the data is the the unique insight, the data point that the model doesn't have access to yet, the personal experience, all of those things that that are working are ultimately going to make the writing unique.

听起来，你保存的那些文档，不管是为今天的项目，还是可能为类似Codex那样的设置，都是可以整理成最佳实践的东西，但你在每篇文章里带来的，就像食材的质量一样，对吧？

It all sounds like the documents that you save for what might be a project today or what might be maybe like a Codex sort of setup is all of the things that can be codified as like good best practices, but then what you bring into every piece it's like the quality of the ingredients, right?

所以，听起来你给文章带来的，就是新鲜度、质量，还有那些你特别想突出和展现的独特元素，这些只有你才能真正带来。

So it sounds like what you're bringing to the piece is just sort of freshness, quality, and unique elements of of the piece that you want to highlight and bring out that only you can really bring.

我喜欢这个比喻。

I love that analogy.

这个比喻真的很贴切。

That's a really good one.

差不多就是这个意思。

That's that's pretty much exactly it.

你知道，模型就像是厨房。

You know, the the model is the kitchen.

结构、大纲就像是切菜，而写作就像是煮菜，但你需要新鲜的、好的食材才能做出好菜。

The, you know, the the, you know, like, structure, like, the outline is, like, chopping, and the composition is, like, boiling, but, like, you need the you need the the individual ingredients to be fresh and good to produce good work.

这其实是你在这篇2025年的文章里很早就提到过的。

This is actually something that you referenced very early on in this piece in 2025.

你有一句非常精彩的话，抱歉把你的好话又念给你听。

You have this really beautiful quote, and I'm sorry to read you your great quotes back to you.

这有点尴尬。

It's horrifying.

你写道：在我使用AI的两年多时间里，我不得不承认，AI不仅帮我更快地产出内容，还从根本上改变了我能做的事情的规模。

So you write, Two odd years into my AI journey, I have to admit AI hasn't just helped me produce content faster, it has fundamentally changed the scale of what I can do.

我以前常常碰到的那些限制——时间、精力、能力——现在都低得多了。

The limits of what I used to bump up against time, energy, capacity are way lower.

听起来这就是那个配方，对吧？

And it sounds like that's the recipe, right?

就像你总是用同一个配方，但现在你不用担心配方本身了，因为配方已经被固化了。

It's like you would always be using the same recipe, but now you don't have to worry so much about the recipe, the recipe is codified.

现在你真的可以只带着你脑子里那些独特的东西来到桌前。

Now you can really just come to the table with like what is uniquely in your brain.

这也是你在文章里说的：说AI让你专注于真正重要的人性元素已经变得老套了，但AI确实让我专注于那些真正重要的人性元素。

This is something you also say in the post: It's become trite to say that AI frees you to focus on the human elements that truly matter, but AI has freed me to focus on the human elements that truly matter.

记住那句话。

Remember that one.

从外面看，这真的很神奇，你知道吗？

It's magic seeing it from the outside, you know?

说实话，我完全不知道你是怎么做到的，每次你把一块拼图放上去，都让人觉得神奇。

Like, I I have no idea how you do it, and it's magical every time that you you you put another piece together.

对我来说也很神奇。

It's magical to me too.

真的，我能说的就是，和AI一起工作让我重新爱上了写作，因为很长一段时间里，写作对我来说就像一场苦役。

Like, that's real that's really all I can say is, like, the fact, like working with AI kind of made me fall in love with writing again, because for a long time, writing to me had just felt like such a slog.

太费劲了。

It was like so effortful.

我花了太多精力和脑力去拼凑句子，以至于根本没注意整段话在说什么，或者感觉如何，或者我只是觉得，写完了。

I was spending so much, like, energy and mental capacity just trying to assemble sentences that I wasn't really paying attention to what the sentences as a whole said or, like, how like or I was just like, This is done.

赶紧把它从手头弄走。

I'm gonna get it off my plate.

差不多就行了。

It's good enough.

现在有了AI，我有了多余的精力，可以花更多时间去思考那些更难、更宏观的问题。

And now with AI, I have the energy left over to spend more time wrestling with those harder, bigger picture questions.

这让写作变得更有趣了，因为它重新带来了探索和发现的感觉，不仅是对工具的探索，还有对我自己大脑的探索，以及我如何把想法变成现实。

And it's just made writing a lot more fun because it's brought back a feeling of exploration and discovery, both with the tool, but then also with my own brain and what I think and how I bring that to life.

所以我想回到刚才的话题，你知道，你使用AI的方式中有两点我非常钦佩。

So I want to turn back a moment to, you know, there's two things that I admire so much in the way that you use AI specifically.

一个显然是你用它来写作，另一个是你把它当作一种工具，帮助你发挥出最佳水平。

And one is obviously the way in which you use it for writing, but the other is the way in which you use it kind of like as a harness for doing your best work.

你大约一年前写了一篇很棒的文章，大概是在2025年年中，标题是《AI解决了我无法向经理解释的问题》。

And you have this really beautiful piece that you wrote about a year ago, so kind of like mid twenty twenty five, called AI Solved the Problem that I Couldn't Explain to Managers.

在这篇文章里，你谈到了如何——或者，你能给我们讲讲这篇文章吗？

And in this piece you talk about how or actually can you tell us a little bit about this piece?

你还记得你讲了什么吗？

Do you remember what you talked about?

你在这个节目里听到很多关于AI工具的内容，但真正在你工作中占据核心位置的是你的客户关系管理系统。

You hear a lot about AI tools on this show, but the one that's truly at the center of your work is your CRM.

那里存储了你所有的客户信息，也是工作完成或遗漏的地方。

It's where all of your customer context lives and where the work either happens or gets missed.

Attio 能帮你完成那些以前根本没时间专注的工作，甚至更多。

Attio delivers the work that you've never had time to focus on before and more.

它能在凌晨两点跟进潜在客户，在续约机会溜走前及时抓住，还能在你想到发跟进邮件之前就帮你起草好。

It picks up leads at 2AM, it catches renewals before they slip, and drafts the follow-up before you've even thought to send one.

你可以问 Attio 任何关于你业务的问题，从本周的预测到哪些交易变得冷淡，几秒钟内就能得到答案。

Ask Attio anything about your business from this week's forecast to which deals have gone quiet and get the answer in seconds.

而且因为它支持 API 和 MCP 扩展，你的智能代理可以和你的团队并肩工作，全天候构建销售管道、推进交易、拓展客户。

And because it's extensible with an API and an MCP, your agents work right alongside your team to build pipeline, advance deals, and grow accounts around the clock.

免费试用 Attio，访问 Attio.com/every。

Try Attio for free at Attio dot com slash Every.

就是 attio，attio.com/every。

That's attio,attio,.com/every.

现在，回到本期节目。

And now back to the episode.

这篇文章讲的是我的心理健康问题，以及我对邮件的极度焦虑。

This is the piece where I talk about my mental health and my crippling anxiety around email.

这篇文章，是我写过的最个人化、也是我最喜欢的文章之一，因为它是从另一个角度看待AI，我觉得这个角度和我们平时想的不太一样。

So this is a piece that, this is this is, like, one of the most personal and, like, one of my favorite pieces that I wrote because it's about AI viewed through a different lens than I think we're used to thinking about it.

我们通常把AI看作一种提高生产力的技术，对吧？

We think about AI as a productive technology, right?

我们看重它的是它能产出东西，帮我们把事情做完，就是把东西做出来。

We value it for its ability to produce output and get things out of our Just put stuff out.

但我在自己的经历中发现，AI作为一种支持性技术，同样强大。

And what I found in my personal experience is that AI is just as powerful as a supportive technology.

你知道，我有双相情感障碍。

So, you know, I have bipolar disorder.

我会经历那种高能量的爆发期。

I experience spikes of like high energy.

说实话，我大部分时间其实都处在抑郁的低谷里。

And honestly, frankly, I spend a lot more time in really lows of depression.

我发现AI能减少我生活中的摩擦，让我更容易做一个正常人。

And what I found is that AI kind of reduces friction in my life in a way that like makes it easier for me to person.

它让我工作起来更容易。

It makes it easier for me to work.

它让我在日常生活中行动更自如。

It makes it easier for me to move through my day to day life.

现在有了智能体，这一点更加明显了，它们能处理我们首席运营官布兰登所说的“电脑跑腿”任务。

That's actually become even more true now with agents being able to handle what our COO Brandon calls computer errands.

我拖了三年没去预约初级保健医生，后来发现我只要告诉Codex去找附近接受我保险、还接收新病人的初级保健医生就行了。

So I put off making a primary care physician appointment for three years, and then I realized I could simply tell Codex to go find the primary care physicians near me that take my insurance and are accepting new patients.

它真的帮我找到了一个，我也预约了。

And it went off and found me someone, I booked an appointment.

这种事我以前根本不会去做。

And that's something that I would never have done.

因为我的思维方式，我只会无限期地拖延下去。

I would have just kept procrastinating on it infinitely because of the way my brain works.

而AI帮我跨过了那道坎，它一次又一次地做到了。

And AI was able to help me over that hump, it's done that over and over again.

所以用Quora来管理我的收件箱，让我不用面对一大堆邮件，只看到那些真正需要我亲自回复的重要邮件，这彻底改变了我对收件箱的态度，因为我不需要去翻找，担心在成千上万的订阅通知里藏着什么麻烦。

So using Quora to make my inbox more manageable so I'm not confronting a wall of emails, but just the really important ones that need my human response, that's completely changed my relationship to my inbox because I don't have to go digging and be looking for the bomb that is hiding in the millions of things that are just subscription notices and stuff.

但是，那些需要人工回复的事情会直接来找我。

But, like, the things that need human responses come to me.

而且，我现在通过Codex设置了一个自动化流程，让它告诉我收件箱里有哪些需要我回复的邮件。

And, like, now I have an automation set up through Codex to, like, tell and I have it tell me what's in my inbox that I need to that I need to respond to.

所以，我的收件箱焦虑已经完全解决了。

And so, like, my inbox anxiety has been completely resolved.

我还看到了很多其他AI支持我的方式，让我工作得更好，不仅仅是用来产出内容，还用来处理产出周围的一切。

And I've just seen a lot of other ways that AI supports me and allows me to work better, not just in terms of like using it for the output, but using it for everything that surrounds the output.

就像不只是医疗预约，还有账单、邮件，那些你知道自己永远不会真正去做的任务，比如家务或者别的什么。

It's like it's not just the medical appointments, it's the bills, it's the emails, it's the tasks that you know you'll never really get around to doing, like around the house or whatever it might be.

对我来说，有了AI，我感觉自己有了更多的能力去处理那些事情。

And it does feel to me with AI that I have a little bit more firepower to get to some of those things.

凯蒂，你会喜欢的，我这辈子第一次在申请保险报销，因为Codex在帮我处理保险报销。

You'll love this Katie, for the first time in my life I'm filing insurance reimbursements, because Codex is filing my insurance reimbursements.

太棒了。

Amazing.

我宁愿付保险费，也不愿意手动去处理那些事。现在有一个我觉得真正能帮到我的工具，真的很让人兴奋。

I would rather pay insurance than have to manually do that, and it's exciting to have a tool that I feel like can really work in my favor.

你特别提到这一点，你说你在Every工作已经一年了，这听起来可能不算什么，但感觉像是一个里程碑。

In particular piece you talk about that and you say I've been working at Every for one year now, and that might not sound remarkable, but it feels like a milestone.

对我来说，AI价值的证明就是我还在做自己引以为傲的工作。

For me the proof of AI's value is the fact that I'm still here doing work I'm proud of.

你知道，这其实就是衡量成功的最好标准——你能做更多每天醒来都期待去做的工作。对我来说，这绝对是AI带来的一个巨大胜利。

And you know it kind of is the greatest measure of success that you get to do more of the work that you're excited to wake up and do every day, and you know that to me that's such a clear AI win.

你能多跟我们讲讲吗？我们最开始是两年前你去找ChatGPT，让它当你的AI教练，然后它帮你完成了现在这么多不可思议的工作。

Can you tell us a little bit more about, you know so we started out with you going to ChatGPT over two years ago and asking it to be your AI coach, and it's enabled this incredible amount of work that you're doing now.

你在一些文章里也提到过。

You've talked about it in some posts.

现在看起来更像是一个Codex项目了，如果我没理解错的话。

Now it looks a little bit more like a Codex project, if I believe.

你能再跟我们多讲讲它是怎么演变的，现在又是什么样子的吗？

Can can you tell us a little bit more about how that has evolved and what that looks like today?

你是说我的写作过程吗？

My writing process?

这是关于职业方面的，比如你现在的职业教练相当于什么样子。

This is for the the kind of like career, like what the equivalent of like your career coach looks like today.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

我的职业教练已经进化了很多。

My career coach has evolved so much.

现在它是我Codex里的一个项目，而且比第一个版本有更多的信息。

It is now a project inside of my Codex, and it has so much more information than the first version.

所以它有一份关于我和我职位的档案，还有关于Every的背景信息，以及我们从市场总监Douglas那里得到的超级机密品牌定位，我当时就想，好吧，然后我能做的就是，好的，这是关于我和我职位的背景信息。

So it has a dossier on me and my role, and it has context around every, and our super top secret brand positioning that I got from our head of marketing, Douglas, that I was like, okay, and then what I'm able to do with that is like, okay, here's the context on me and my role.

这是关于Every的背景信息。

Here's the context on Every.

我该怎么把这两件事结合起来呢？

How do I put those two things together?

而且我应该优先做什么，才能产生最大的影响力。

And what should I prioritize to have the biggest impact that I can.

所以现在它帮了我很多，因为我已经在工作了，不是找工作，不是让职业教练帮我找工作的那种，它帮我定位自己、分清优先级，还帮我做项目管理。

And so it helps me now, now that I'm in a job and not looking, not meaning the career coach to help me find a job, it helps me orient myself, prioritize, It does project management for me.

现在越来越多的时候，这一切都是通过语音完成的，就像独白一样。

And now increasingly, all of this is happening just with voice, like with monologue.

我整天都在自言自语，说很多，然后我就会跟我的职业教练说，我现在有四个不同的优先事项。

I monologue, like, a ton all day, every day, and I'll just, like, talk to my career coach about, I've got four different priorities.

我该按什么顺序做？

What should I do in what order?

它就像我的幕僚长一样，给我指个方向，说：这是你首先能做的最有影响力的事情。

And it kind of operates as that chief of staff that kind of points me in a direction and says, This is the highest impact thing you can do first.

这个也许可以往后放一放。

This is maybe something that you can put off until later.

它就能帮我处理这类工作。

And it just helps do that kind of work.

它还会帮我维护一个看板。

And it maintains a Kanban board for me.

我以前从来不是那种能维护看板的人，但现在我根本不用碰它。

I've never been a person that can maintain a Kanban board, but now I don't even have to touch it.

它就待在那个小小的职业教练管理项目里。

It just lives in this little career coach management project land.

我只需要问，这个交付物的截止日期是什么时候？

And I just say, What's the due date on this deliverable?

它就会告诉我。

And it will tell me.

你能多跟我们讲讲这是怎么设置的吗？

Can you tell us a little bit more how that about how that's set up?

听起来太棒了。

That sounds incredible.

所以，就是这样，时间一长你就慢慢忘了它怎么运作的。

So, like, that's the thing is you kind of forget over time as it starts to work.

你会觉得它理所当然地在工作，不再去想里面到底是什么了。

You just take for granted that it's working, and you don't think about what's inside it so much anymore.

那我找一下职业教练模式。

So let me find career coach mode.

它里面有一个文件夹叫“证据”。

So it's got, evidence is one of the folders.

你知道，我会定期把内容管理系统里的所有数据抓取到电子表格里。

So, you know, like, I periodically scrape all the data out of our content management system into a spreadsheet.

这样我就能知道我的帖子表现如何。

And like, I have that so I know like how my posts are performing.

里面还有读者反馈和其他东西。

It also has like reader feedback and other things.

我维护一个叫“验证”的文件夹，里面全是别人对我工作的好评。

Like, I maintain what I call my validation folder, which is just full of nice things people have said about my work.

这又成了一个输入，因为这样模型就能明白，我的工作中哪些东西是大家喜欢、想要强化的。

That becomes another input because that helps the model understand, okay, what do people respond positively to in my work that we wanna reinforce?

里面还有参考资料，比如我的角色定位。

It has references, like that's where my role positioning is.

还有我第二季度和现在第三季度的OKR，因为不知怎么的就到了第三季度，这简直不合理，还有其他类似的东西。

It has my OKRs for Q2 and now Q3, because somehow it became Q3, which should not be legal, and some other things like that.

所以里面有一大堆这样的内容。

So it just has a ton of these.

再说一遍，这些都是背景信息。

Again, it's all context.

这些文档越来越多都不是我手动做的了。

It's all documentation that increasingly I don't manually create.

我让AI帮我生成，比如通过访谈的方式。

I have AI create it for me, like through an interview process.

我总是让AI来采访我。

Like, I'm always having AI interview me.

Alex Duffy在我刚加入Every的时候就给了我那个建议，这彻底改变了我与AI合作的方式，因为我会直接说，问我一些问题来引出我对这个的看法。

Alex Duffy gave me that tip early on in my time at Every, and it just completely changed how I work with AI, because I'll just be like, ask me questions to draw out what I think about this.

我就是这样才把职业教练整合起来的。

And that's how I was able to pull together the career coaches.

就像我刚才说的，我想创建一个职业教练。

Like I just said, I want to create a career coach.

你知道，这就是我想做的。

You know, this is what I wanted to do.

然后我开始给它看一堆上下文文档，比如所有绩效数据和我的验证文件夹。

And then I started just showing it a bunch of context documents, like all of the data from the performances and like my validation folder.

我们就一直聊，直到我们找到了一个系统，它按照我脑海中设想的方式运作。

And we just talked until we got to a place where we had a system that worked the way that I kind of, like, had envisioned in my mind.

所以在两年内，你知道，在AI时代这是很长的时间，但在两年内，你从在ChatGPT上输入一个简单的提示，比如“你作为职业教练怎么帮我”，到拥有一个完全自主的Codex设置，它维护你的待办事项列表、你的OKR，让你在Kanban板上保持进度，而且现在Codex在为你维护这一切。

So in in in two years, which is, you know, a a lot of time in AI time, but in two years, you went from prompting, a simple prompt on ChatGPT, you know, how can you help me as a career coach, to having a fully autonomous codec setup that maintains your to do list, your OKRs, it keeps you on track with the Kanban board, and at this point codex is maintaining it for you.

这难道不疯狂吗？

Is that insane?

所以我觉得这真的很棒，对吧？

So I mean, this is amazing, right?

我觉得你特别擅长的一件事就是用AI来推动你的职业发展，而且你写文章的能力也很强。

I think one of the things that you are uniquely great at is using AI for powering your career harness and also your ability to write really great pieces.

回到写作这块，我们之前聊过一些你如何用AI来帮你记住写作的秘诀，比如你对好文章的看法，以及你每次写作时带入的元素，这样你就能发挥出最好的水平。

And so going back to the writing component, know we talked a little bit about some of the how you've created AI to basically kind of like hold the recipe for you, like how you think about good writing, and then the elements that you bring to each writing session so that it can just allow you to do your best work.

而且我觉得，等这期播客播出的时候，你的复合写作插件应该已经发布了。

And now are, I think by the time that this podcast airs, we will have published your compound writing plugin.

你能给我们讲讲复合这个概念是什么，然后再说说这个写作插件吗？

Can you tell us a little bit about what compounding is as a concept and then about the writing plugin?

复合的意思就是，你每次给AI的反馈都应该回馈到系统里，用来改进下一次的输出。

So compounding is the idea that every piece of feedback that you give to AI should feed back into the system to improve the next output.

当然，关注Every的人应该对Kieran Klassen的复合工程插件很熟悉。

So obviously, for folks that follow Every, they'll be familiar with this from Kieran Klassen's compound engineering plug in.

他确实是第一个提出这个想法的人，就是说你只需要给一次反馈，如果编码得当，这个反馈就会一直存在，下次遇到同样的情况，AI就会做出更好的决策。

He was really the one to pioneer this idea that you should only have to give a piece of feedback once, and if you, like, codify it the right way, it will be there forever, and the next time you're in that same situation, the AI is going to make a better decision.

所以这个复合写作插件，其实最开始我就是直接分叉了一下。

And so the compound writing plugin, it started like I literally just forked.

分叉这个词我现在知道了，要不是跟AI合作我可能都不知道这个词，但我就把复合工程插件拿下来，跟Claude聊了聊，说我想把这个复合工程插件改造成适合写作的。

Forked is a word that I know now because I wouldn't have known if I weren't working with AI, but I just I pulled the compound engineering plugin down and talked to Claude about it and said, I want to take this compound engineering plugin and adapt it for writing.

因为从某些方面来说，写作和编程非常相似。

Because in certain ways, writing is very similar to code.

复合工程插件有头脑风暴、构思、规划、执行，还有审查这些环节。

The compound engineering plugin has brainstorming, ideating, planning, you know, working and then reviewing.

写作也很类似，有头脑风暴、列提纲、写初稿、审查，流程差不多。

And very similarly in writing, you have like brainstorming, outlining, drafting, reviewing, and it's kind of a similar kind of flow.

但也有一些不同。

But there are also differences.

比如，显然我不需要……写作的时候，你不会去看什么编码规范之类的东西。

Like, obviously, I don't need my For writing, you're not looking at things like coding conventions.

你关注的是结构、声音、证据，还有各种不同的东西。

You're looking for things like structure, voice, evidence, and all of these kinds of different things.

所以虽然容器不同，但对我来说就是顺理成章的事。

So it's a different container, but it just made sense to me.

所以我又跟Claude聊了聊，说，你知道，我希望流程里有这些步骤。

So again, I just talked to Claude and said, you know, I want I want these steps in the process.

我希望，你知道，大纲长这样。

I want, you know, I want an outline to look like this.

我希望初稿按这种方式来写。

I want a draft to be done this way.

然后，我还想要两种不同的审校，一种是实质性编辑，就是看整体结构和论点，另一种是逐行编辑，看具体的文字，最后还要过一遍，只检查那些让文章达到出版标准的细节。

And, like, these are the kinds of review and then, like, I want two different kinds of reviews, like a substantive edit that's, like, the big picture structure in the argument, and then a line edit that looks at the individual writing, and then a final pass that looks at just the final details that you want something to be publication ready.

然后我就把这些整合起来了。

And I was able to pull that together.

我所有最好的AI点子都是从Every团队的其他人那里偷来的。

All of my best AI ideas I've ripped off from someone else on the Every team.

所以这基本上就是复合工程加上Dan那个搞Agent原生架构的家伙，两者结合才产生了复合写作。

So it was very much compound engineering plus Dan's agent native architecture guy that kind of combined together to create compound writing.

现在，我写的每一篇文章都用这个系统。

And now that's what I use all the time for every piece that I write.

我不再使用聊天窗口了。

I'm no longer in a chat window.

我不再在claude.ai或chatgpt.com的项目里操作了。

I'm no longer in a project on claude.ai or chatgpt.com.

我是在Claude桌面应用或ChatGPT桌面应用里，用这个系统，它包含了所有那些，再说一遍，包含了我想要的写作流程的配方。

I am like in the Claude desktop app or the ChatGPT desktop app, working with this system that has all that, again, has the recipe of how I want the drafting process to go.

然后它还有相关的上下文文件，比如，很多以前放在项目里的上下文文件，像风格指南、示例文章之类的。

And then it has the context files about this, like, still, many of the same context files that used to live in the project in terms of, like, a style guide, example pieces.

然后，我只需要把新的信息带进这个系统，文章就会以某种方式出来。

And then, again, I just bring the fresh information into that ecosystem, and a piece comes out of it one way or another.

文章就这么出现了。

Somehow a piece appears.

等它上线了，我特别想用一下。

I'm so excited to use it when it becomes available.

我希望在你准备好分享的时候能成为它的alpha测试者。

I hope to be an alpha tester of it when you're ready to share it.

哦，它在GitHub上，如果你在Every的GitHub上，现在就能拿到。

Oh it's on GitHub, you get it now if you're on the Every GitHub.

哎呀，太好了，我一定要试试。

Dang, okay great, I will definitely have to try it.

我觉得Oh Great Plugin特别让人兴奋的一点是——

One of the things that I find so exciting about Oh Great Plugin.

对我来说，一个优秀的插件就像一本专家操作手册，教你做一件你本来完全没资格做的事。

A Great Plugin to me is like expert instruction manual for how to do something you have no business doing.

所以对我来说，在复合工程方面，我不是专业工程师，但我每个周末都在开发不同的产品，而且这些产品我现在每天都在用。

And so for me, for compound engineering, I am not an engineer by trade, and yet I spend my weekend building different products and products that I rely on now every day.

复合工程让我能够利用优秀工程师——实际上是一支优秀的工程师团队——在产品构建过程中不同步骤会使用的逻辑和最佳实践来构建产品。

And what compound engineering allows me to do is to build a product using the logic and best practices that a great engineer, and actually a great team of engineers, would use for different steps in the product build process.

显然，它从PRD或计划开始，范围界定得很好，有安全要素，最后当然还有复合环节，但如果你不是工程师或产品构建专家，这个过程对你来说完全是陌生的，对吧？

Obviously it begins with something like a PRD or a plan, things are scoped really well, there's a security element, obviously there's compounding at the end, but this is a process that if you are not an engineer or an expert at building products, it's just totally foreign to you, right?

所以就像你一两年前描述的那样，你会凭直觉为你的Claude项目创建上下文文件，现在我可以借助这个复合写作插件，接触到Katie的思维方式，我不需要——我既能使用这个工具，它也能帮我做得更好，但我觉得一个优秀的插件最让我兴奋的地方在于，它能教你如何做这类工作，对吧？

So in the same way that when you were describing the things that you would intuitively create as context files for your Claude projects over a year or two ago, now it's like I can access Katie's brain recipe with this compound writing, you know, plug in where I don't need I can both use the tool and the tool can help me do better work, but I think what's most exciting about a great plugin to me is that it can teach you how to do that kind of work, right?

所以它能教你如何成为一个优秀的写作者，因为它展示了步骤、选项，以及你在每一步可能采取的不同方向。

So it can teach you how to be a great writer because it presents the steps, the options, and the different directions that you might take at any step.

你觉得对于写作来说，因为它不像代码那样具有确定性，

Do you find that for writing in particular, because it's not so deterministic in the

它是不是更有个人风格，更像是你写作方式的一种反映，还是说它可以成为一个通用的工具，即使不是专业写作者的人也能使用？

way that code is, that it's a little bit more flavored, like it's more of a reflection of how you write, or can it be kind of like a generic tool that other people can use even if they're not professional writers?

我绝对认为不是专业写作者的人也能使用它，而且可能对他们来说效果更好，因为他们对写作没有强烈的先入为主的看法，所以他们不太会去挑剔，而会很高兴自己能写出以前可能写不出来的东西。

I definitely think people can use it who are not professional writers, and it may even be better for them because they don't have strong preexisting opinions about the writing, and so they're going to be less inclined to, like, nitpick, and they'll just be excited to, like, that they can produce something that they maybe hadn't been able to produce before.

说实话，我觉得——我在这篇《加班》的文章里写过，用AI写作比你想的要难，但它让我成为了更好的写作者。

Honestly, I think, and I wrote about this in a piece working overtime, like writing with AI is harder than you think, it's made me a better writer.

比如，我用来说明复合写作插件的一个类比就是，它就像一个健身房。

Like, analogy that I use for the compound writing plugin is that it's a gym.

它是一套锻炼系统，让你成为更好的写作者，因为大多数——比如在编辑步骤中，我内置了很多这样的审阅者。

It's a workout system to like make you a better writer because most of the so for example, in the editing step, I've built in a lot of these reviewers.

我最喜欢的一个是冯内古特。

One of my favorites is Vonnegut.

库尔特·冯内古特提出了故事结构的八个要素。

So Kurt Vonnegut have these eight elements of story structure.

比如，尽可能从接近结局的地方开始。

So it's things like start as close to the end as possible.

每个句子都必须有存在的价值。

Every sentence has to earn its place.

给读者一个可以支持的角色。

Give the reader a character they can root for.

我就把这个变成了插件里的一个技能，现在你可以借用这个框架。

And I just turned that into a skill in the plug in, and now you can borrow this framework.

并不是说库尔特·冯内古特的灵魂在审阅你的作品，但他这个框架我觉得对很多作家都很有用，你可以把它提炼成一个技能。

It's not that Kurt Vonnegut, the spirit of Kurt Vonnegut is reviewing your work, but he has this framework that I think is really useful for a lot of writers that you can kind of distill and turn into a skill.

我对几位我欣赏的作家都这么做过。

And I've done that with several different writers that I admire.

我还有一个是希区柯克，这是基于希区柯克的悬念原则。

So another one I have is Hitchcock, which is based on Hitchcock's principle of suspense.

他有一句关于桌子底下炸弹的名言，如果桌子底下有炸弹，它爆炸了，那只是一瞬间的惊讶。

So he has this famous quote about a bomb under the table, where if there's a bomb under the table and it explodes, that's one moment of surprise.

但如果有人坐在桌旁，你让观众看到桌子底下的炸弹，并说，这枚炸弹将在五分钟后爆炸，那么你就有五分钟的悬念。

But if you have people sitting around the table and you show the audience the bomb under the table and say, This bomb will go off in five minutes, now you have five minutes of suspense.

所以我把它变成了一个技能，用来评估，好吧，这能让读者投入吗？

And so I turned that into a skill that assesses, okay, does make the reader lean in?

这能让读者感到焦虑和好奇，想知道接下来会发生什么吗？

Does this make the reader anxious and curious to see what will happen next?

这就成了你可以应用到写作中的另一个视角。

And that becomes another lens that you can apply to writing.

即使作为有经验的作家，我也从中获得了很多价值，因为我并不总能考虑到所有这些不同的视角，但现在我可以直接调用冯内古特、希区柯克、索金、塞达里斯来增加幽默感，从这些我钦佩的杰出讲故事者那里获得关于我写作的见解。

So I get a lot of value out of that as an experienced writer even, because I'm not always able to consider all of those different lenses, but now I can just sort of invoke Vonnegut, invoke Hitchcock, invoke Sorkin, invoke Sedaris for humor, and get those kinds of perspectives on my writing that are informed by these really brilliant storytellers that I admire.

这真是一份礼物。

It's such a gift.