认识这位没有老师、没有作业——只有AI的学生

他们现在提供免学费，等等。

They now have tuition free, whatever.

但它和Alpha有点不同，不过那里有个不错的通道。

But it's a bit different from Alpha, but there's a nice pipeline there.

这是一个非常有趣的选择。

And that's a really interesting option.

还有奖学金之类的，可以覆盖生活开销。

There's scholarships and things like that to cover living.

所以基本上我的大学教育是免费的。

So basically my university would be free.

第三条路是知道，泰尔奖学金，全身心投入我的想法，不管那是什么。

And then the third path is know, Thiel fellowship, go all in on my idea, whatever it might be.

所以我不知道哪个选择是对的，因为我现在正处于将我的项目从学校里的东西转变为现实、筹集真实资金、组建团队的阶段，这些我完全相信自己能做到，身边的人也完全相信我能做到。

And so I don't know what the right choice is because I'm kind of in the stage where I'm trying to bring my project from something I'm doing in school to become real world, raise real money, build a team, things like that, which I fully believe I can do and the people around me fully believe I can do.

只是说，在合适的时候，这对我而言有意义吗？

It's just like, does it make sense for me at the right time?

有意思。

Interesting.

好的。

Okay.

那你们周围的人呢？

And then what about the people around you?

是的。

Yeah.

我来给你讲几个案例。

So I'm going to give you some case studies.

我有个朋友在TikTok上有两百万粉丝。

I have a friend who has 2,000,000 on TikTok.

两百万

2,000,000

粉丝。

followers.

200万粉丝。

2,000,000 followers.

她开始接品牌合作，每笔合作能赚大约1万美元。

She is starting to do brand deals and is making like $10.15 ks per brand deal.

她真的很棒。

And she's really cool.

她与观众的沟通非常有共鸣，积极正面，充满使命感。

She has a great message with her audience, a lot of resonance, very positive, very mission driven.

因此，她非常希望将影响力转化为所有权。

And so she's really interested in turning influence into ownership.

她最初的构想是为网红女孩打造一个Y Combinator式的项目，因为现在流量为王。

Before her project idea was Y Combinator, but for influencer girls, because distribution is king now.

她仍在探索各种想法，但已经成功被斯坦福大学录取。

And so she's still experimenting with ideas, but she to go to She got into Stanford.

她想进入斯坦福大学，好好思考对她来说正确的下一步是什么。

She wants to go to Stanford and kind of figure out what the right move is for her.

如果她已经差不多这样了，为什么还想去斯坦福呢？也许她觉得这并不一定是她的职业道路，但去斯坦福的考量是什么呢？

Why does she want to go to Stanford if she's already like pretty much I mean, maybe she feels like this is not necessarily her career path, but yeah, what's calculus of going to Stanford?

据我了解，她很喜欢当网红，但她也非常非常想要体验大学生活，比如和最好的朋友在一起、参加派对等等。

From what I understand, she loves being an influencer, but she also really, really wants just like the college experience, like being with your best friends, whatever it is, going to parties, whatever it is.

所以她只是想好好玩一玩。

And so she just wants to have a lot of fun.

我认为我的另一个朋友正在开发一个基于人工智能的青少年恋爱教练。

And I think for my other friend, she's building an AI powered teen dating coach.

她已经有大约七万名用户了。

She has like 70,000 users.

她实际上在同时进行很多不同的项目。

And she's actually doing lots of different projects.

她正在做自己的事情。

And she's doing her own thing.

她正在摸索中前进。

She's figuring things out.

但她也被斯坦福录取了，想去那里。

But she also got into Stanford, wants to go there.

她也想要大学体验。

She also wants the college experience.

她姐姐在斯坦福上学，她非常喜欢那里。

Her sister goes to Stanford and she loves it.

你知道，她们最终都会去那里，做自己的事情。

And you know, they're going to end up there and doing their thing.

而且我们不知道一两年后会发生什么。

And we don't know what will happen, you know, a year or two down the line.

当你像我这个年纪的时候——那大概是十五年前了——当时已经开始有人说不需要上大学，但那时人们仍然普遍认为，如果你想拥有像样的人生，上大学是必须的。

How do you feel about like when I was your age, which at this point was fifteen ish years ago, it there were still there were starting to be people being like, don't need to go to college, but it was still like very much, this is the this is the thing you have to do if you wanna have any sort of life at all.

而我现在觉得，从你这里听到的是，你可以选择不上大学，这对很多人来说非常有吸引力，而且现在根据个人需求，有了更多不同的选择。

And now I feel like what what I'm hearing from you is you can do that and it's so appealing for people and there's like many more different options depending on what you want.

但有时候，选择越多反而越难，尤其是当你还年轻，还不清楚自己是谁、想要什么的时候。

But there can be sometimes having more choices can be hard, especially if you're young and you don't actually know who you are and what you want.

那对你来说感觉如何？

So how does that feel for you?

有时候，感觉极其压人。

At times, extremely overwhelming.

我觉得我一直努力有意识地让自己周围都是拥有不同观点的人。

I think I've been trying to be intentional about surrounding myself with people who have very diverse perspectives.

比如，我的家人非常传统。

So for example, my family is very traditional.

我父母都是牙医。

Both my parents are dentists.

他们的人生道路，还有我哥哥，都是一样的。

They all, their path and my brother is doing the same thing.

上学，拿学位，找份工作。

Go to school, get a degree, get a job.

然后我想到了最好的例子就是十五到十七岁时的丹妮尔，她的理念完全是支持辍学者的。

Then I have the best person that comes to mind is Danielle from fifteen seventeen, who her whole thing is like, We're backing dropouts.

是体制在给年轻人制造问题，扼杀他们的好奇心之类的东西。

The institution is what's causing problems in young people and crushing curiosity and things like that.

所以，是的，这让人感到不堪重负，但同时也非常令人兴奋，因为我能接触到各种各样的人，学习并找到适合自己的道路。

And so, yes, it's overwhelming, but it's also super exciting because I get to be around all these different kinds of people and learn and see what's right for me.

所以对我来说，我必须去亲自尝试才能知道。

So I think for me, it's like I have to test to see.

生活中有些事情，你必须亲自去做。

There are some things in life you just have to do.

你不能靠别人告诉你该怎么看待它。

You can't be told by other people how to think about it.

你只能自己去发现什么才是适合你的。

You just have to see what's right for you.

我想，这就是我从中领悟到的。

And I think that's kind of what I've taken away from it.

好的，挺有意思的。

Okay, interesting.

那请你谈谈你的世代。

And then tell me about your generation.

这可以是你周围的人，也可以是你对同龄人整体的感受，无论你通过什么方式接触到他们。

And this can be people you're around and also just your feeling about all the different people of your age that you're exposed to in whatever way.

比如在社交媒体上，或者其他任何方式。

It could be, you know, on social media or whatever.

他们对人工智能的看法是什么？

What's their view of AI?

这很难估算，因为算法给你推送的都是一些随机的东西。

It's such a hard estimate because algorithms are giving you some random shit.

我真的不知道。

Like, I just don't know.

但这是我个人的猜测。

But here's my guess.

这是我个人的猜测。

Here's my guess.

我认为有一半的Z世代对人工智能持悲观态度。

I think that half of Gen Z is pessimistic about AI.

四分之一的人只是不确定。

A quarter is just uncertain.

还有四分之一的人，我认为对它相当乐观。

And a quarter, I think, are pretty optimistic about it.

我认为，尽管有一半的人在批评人工智能，但仍有75%甚至70%的人使用过人工智能。

And I think even though half of the people are hating on AI, still 75%, maybe 70% of people are using AI, have used AI once.

我可以深入这些细节。

And I can go down those rabbit holes.

告诉我你觉得哪些地方有趣。

Let me know what you think is interesting.

我看过很多统计数据。

I've seen lots of statistics.

我最近看到一个数据，和我的项目高度相关：72%的青少年至少使用过人工智能作为陪伴。

I saw one recently saying, super tied into my project, 72% of teens have used AI for companionship at least once.

52%的青少年几乎每天都在使用AI作为陪伴。

52% of teens are using AI for companionship pretty much every single day.

所以我完全相信这是真的。

And so I totally believe that's true.

这真是一个非常有趣的时代。

And it's just very interesting times.

很有趣。

Interesting.

等等，你是Z世代还是Alpha世代？

Wait, so are you Gen Z or are you Gen Alpha?

Z世代。

Gen Z.

Z世代目前的年龄大约是16到24岁左右。

Gen Z is aged right now 16 to like 24 kind of.

哦，真有趣。

Oh, interesting.

我以为有点转变了。

I thought a it shift a little bit.

好吧，你是Z世代。

Okay, you're Gen Z.

明白了。

Alright, got it.

当你想到有些人一边讨厌AI，一边又天天用它，这其实挺有意思的。

And when you think about there's this there's it's kind of interesting if you're like, I hate AI and I use it all the time.

这到底是怎么回事？

What is that about?

是的，我认为人们讨厌AI的原因各不相同。

Yeah, I think that there's different reasons people hate AI.

我昨晚刚和朋友聊过这个话题。

I was actually just talking about this with my friend last night.

你知道吗，我认为Z世代最大的担忧其实是环境问题。

You know, the big worry for Gen Z, I think, is environmental concerns, actually.

第二个重大担忧是

The second big, big worry is

你的意思是像全球变暖、能源消耗之类的吗？

And by that, you mean like global warming, energy use, all that kind of stuff?

能源消耗和用水。

Energy use, water use.

是的。

Yep.

主要是能源消耗。

Energy consumption mainly.

第二个大的担忧，这可能更大，我不确定，是工作不确定性。

The second big one, this might be bigger, I'm not sure, is job uncertainty.

第三个大的担忧，这些是针对那些我认为具有更多元认知的人，或者像我担心AI会取代人类、剥夺人性、情感之类的东西。

The third big one, and these are for people who are, I think, like a bit more have a bit more metacognition or like, you know, I'm just worried about it replacing humans or like taking away from humanity, AI, heart, things like that.

据我所知，大多数Z世代对未来都非常悲观，极度悲观，至少那些特别敏锐、活跃在线上的人是这样。

And from what I can tell, most of Gen Z is just very pessimistic about the future, extremely pessimistic, or least for the ones who are super aware and online and things like that.

所以很难做出一般性结论，但这就是我所看到的。

And so it's hard to make the generalization, but that's what I've seen.

但人们使用AI是因为它容易作弊，或者帮他们写大学论文之类的。

But people use AI because it's easy to cheat or help write your essays for college or whatever it is.

我认为还存在严重的孤独危机，人们想用它来寻求陪伴，因为它简单、顺畅、毫无障碍。

I think also there's a huge loneliness crisis and people want to use it for companionship and it's easy and seamless and frictionless.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

你认为社交媒体毁了你们这一代人的大脑吗？

Do you think that social media rotted your generation's brain?

是的，100%。

Yes, 100%.

但我想为社交媒体说句公道话，因为我总是听到有人说社交媒体怎么怎么不好， blah blah blah。

But I want to give social media some credit because I only hear like, social media is bad, da da da da.

过去两周是寒假，我想做个小小的实验。

I have been like so this past two weeks was winter break, and I wanted to run a little experiment.

我当时在训练我的算法，让它们更具教育性。

And I was training my algorithms to be a bit more educational.

我也对这个新兴领域感兴趣，就是关于人类本身，因为我认为AI悲观主义的核心将是人类与AI之间的巨大对立。

I also am interested in this new kind of emerging field, question mark, around human, just like humanity, because like my hypothesis with the AI pessimism is there's going be a huge humans versus AI thing.

很多人认为是美国与中国之间的对抗。

A lot of people are like USA versus China.

我觉得是人类与AI之间的对抗。

Think it's humans versus AI.

所以我对这个新兴的信息小圈子很好奇。

And so I'm curious about this new little bubble of information.

人类学研究？

Human studies?

人类学研究吧，不管是什么。

Human studies, whatever it is.

于是我训练我的算法，我几乎在所有社交媒体上都活跃，只是为了学习。

And so I was training my There's different things for I'm on pretty much all social media, it's just to learn.

所以我的YouTube内容非常专注于播客或类似的东西。

And so my YouTube is very focused on podcasts or things like that.

我的Instagram现在则非常聚焦于那些试图打造极具人性化的品牌的人，以及人们对于AI感到悲伤之类的话题。

My Instagram is now very focused on people trying to build brands that are very human and people like being like sad about AI or

你平时做些什么？

What do you do?

你只是在你想要专注的领域里做六七件事吗？

You just like six or seven things in the category that you're trying to do?

更激进一点，比如对某些内容点击‘不感兴趣’。

Even more aggressive where it's like click not interested in some things.

但好吧，首先我要肯定社交媒体的一点是，它促进了思想的传播，马特·里德利称之为‘思想的性交’。

But okay, so social media is first of all, the thing I want to give credit for is transfer of ideas, or Matt Ridley calls it idea sex.

也就是创造新知识的思想。

So, you know, the ideas of creating new knowledge.

我觉得这非常有趣。

I think that's really interesting.

但你需要小心的是，信息过载与真正消化这些信息之间的区别。

But the thing you have to be careful of is constant, just like information overload versus like actually processing it.

这一点我曾经在自己身上注意到。

So that's something I caught myself on.

第二件重要的事是，这是我们彼此交流的方式。

The second big thing is this is how we talk with each other.

我有个朋友正在打造一个AI约会教练，她正和一位著名心理学家合作开展一项研究，她说：现在的约会不再是简单地出去约会什么的。

So my friend who's building the AI team dating coach, she's running a study with a big psychologist and she's like, Dating now is not You go out on a date, whatever.

现在有一套非常明确的流程。

There's a very clear formula.

你通过某种方式认识某人，或者通过别人介绍等等。

You meet someone somehow or you get referred or whatever.

你先加他们的Snapchat。

You get their snap.

然后你发照片给他们，接着在Snapchat上聊天，再转到普通消息，然后打电话，再视频通话，最后才见面。

So you snap, you just like send them pictures and then you start snap chatting them, chatting them on snap, and then you message them and then you call them and then you FaceTime them and then you see them in person.

所以我们现在与人沟通的方式，就是给对方发一个Instagram短视频，这就是我们建立联系的方式。

And so the way in which we're communicating now, the way we communicate with some people is Send me an Instagram Reel, and that's our form of connection.

有些人可能会觉得这不好。

And some people might view it as bad.

这会导致催产素释放减少。

There's less oxytocin release.

我研究过相关的研究。

I've looked into the studies there.

但这也是我们彼此建立联系的方式。

But it's also the way that we are connecting with each other.

我们一起笑。

We're laughing together.

这是生活中乐观与快乐的一部分。

It's part of the optimism and joy we get in life.

所以我觉得这非常有趣。

And so I think that's very interesting.

但你也说了，我觉得这是一个非常有说服力的图景。

But you said also, so I think that's a very compelling picture.

我喜欢我问这个问题的原因，是因为我觉得这其中可能存在某种平衡。

And I like the the reason I asked the question is I think there's probably some balance to be had.

主流叙事往往认为这是负面的。

Like the overwhelming narrative is that it's negative.

当你思考那些负面因素时，对你或者你周围同龄人来说，你觉得它们是什么？

When you think about what the negative things are, for you or people you're around that are your age, like what do you think they are?

是的，我生活中最大的问题就是，我没有及时意识到自己被各种信息过度刺激、感到不知所措，或者注意力很差，因为你一直在不断追求多巴胺。

Yeah, so biggest one I see in my life is, me not catching myself in terms of being overstimulated by everything, or overwhelmed, or just like my attention is not good because obviously you're just dopamine heads forever.

这太上瘾了，我发现自己还是会不停地刷屏。

It's so addicting, I find myself scrolling still.

除了神经科学层面——也就是你的大脑变得越来越迟钝之外，第二大问题是。

The second big thing other than like the neuroscience, like just your brain is becoming more mushy.

你一直在和网上的人进行比较。

The second big thing is you are comparing yourself to people online.

我见过很多这样的事情。

I've seen a lot of things.

有一个有趣的视频，展示了一些自然类网红如何布置摄像机，让自己看起来像是在大自然中漫步。

There's a funny video of like nature influencers who are like setting up their camera and making them look like they're walking through nature.

或者有人会说：‘我是纽约市一位24岁女孩的日常生活，喝着咖啡，等等。’

Or people saying, My life as a 24 year old girl in New York City getting coffee, da da da.

所以这种比较无处不在。

So there's lots of comparison.

我认为这两点是最主要的。

I think those are the two big ones.

你读书吗？

Do you read books?

是的。

Yes.

不。

No.

其实不是。

Actually, no.

这就是我的答案。

That's my answer.

我不是一个爱读书的人，从来都不是。

I am not a big book reader, never have been.

从小时候起我就讨厌阅读。

I hated reading ever since I was young.

我有很多朋友至今仍然为了乐趣而读书，这其实挺有意思的，但相比五年前、四年前，人数已经少了很多。

The only function of I have a lot of friends actually who read for fun still, which is really interesting, but much, much less than it was literally five years ago, four years ago.

我读书的原因是为了看到人们有趣的见解。

And the reason I read books is because I want to see people's interesting thoughts.

我不是为了故事，而是为了内容。

It's not for the story, it's for the content.

而我现在注意到的是，我觉得有些书还是值得读的。

And what I've now noticed is I think there are some books that are good to read.

我打算今年夏天晚些时候读《圣经》、《理想国》以及一些经典哲学著作，纯粹出于兴趣。

I'm going to read the Bible probably later this summer and Republic and classic philosophy books just for fun.

但也会读像迈克尔·吉布森的《纸带着火》这样的书。

But also people like Michael Gibson's Paper Belt on Fire.

我只是想听听他对这些内容的看法，然后向他提问，以深入探讨这些观点。

I just want to hear his thoughts about it and then ask him questions to deepen those kinds of things.

但现在你可以在Twitter上找到每个人对这些书的看法。

But now you can find everyone's takes on Twitter.

你可以让ChatGPT总结出最重要的观点。

You can ask ChatGPT to summarize the most important points.

你可以拿一本书，打开它，拍张照片，然后让ChatGPT展开解释这些内容。

You can get a book, open it up, take a picture, say, Expand on this with ChatGPT.

所以这种方式不再是生成性和动态的。

So it's just not generative and dynamic.

因此，它只是一份静态的知识载体。

And so it's a static piece of knowledge.

我认为我从中学到的个人价值在于内容本身，而不是文笔，也不是去理解它是如何如何的，更不是为了提升我的专注力。

And I think the value I get personally from it is the content itself, not the writing, not understanding how it's whatever and not trying to increase my attention span.

我可以通过其他方式做到这一点。

I can do that in other ways.

所以至少在我阅读时，我会带着Grok的语音模式，或者类似的东西。

And so I at least have Grok voice mode with me while I'm reading it or something like that.

顺便说一下，我也这么做。

And when you have I do that too, by the way.

我超喜欢这么做。

I love doing that.

我其实专门为此开发了一个小的自定义应用。

I actually built like a little custom app for this.

哦，我真想试试看。

Oh, I'd love to try it.

好，我会发给你测试版。

Yeah, I'll send you the test flight.

但对于那些喜欢阅读的朋友，他们为什么读书？是什么让他们与众不同？

But for the friends that you have that are readers, why do they read and what makes them different?

哦，我有很多不同类型的阅读朋友。

Oh, I have lots of different types of reader friends.

我认为有些人阅读是为了对抗AI的影响。

I think some read in spite of AI.

他们觉得：我不想变成那样。

They're like, I don't want to become that.

有些人阅读只是因为喜欢故事本身。

Some read because they just love the story.

有些人阅读是因为小时候就养成了这个习惯。

Some read because they just did it as a kid and it's a habit of theirs.

我的一些朋友阅读是为了优化睡眠，我也这样做过。

Some of my friends read because, and I've done this, to optimize their sleep.

我每晚睡前读一页书。

I read a page of a book before bed.

这些是主要原因。

Those are the main reasons.

实际上，我觉得我们并没有深入思考过这个问题。

I don't think we think very deeply about it, actually.

我觉得你要么读书，要么不读。

I think it's just you either read or you don't.

而我们的阅读方式，实际上在Alpha，我们应该谈谈下午我们做什么。

And our form of reading, actually in Alpha, we should go into what we do in the afternoon.

我们被要求阅读。

We're required to read.

我们被要求阅读本领域的研究，并且还要超越这些研究，形成我们自己的见解。

We're required to read the research about our field, and we're required to go beyond that research that we've read insights of our own.

所以阅读仍然是其中的重要部分。

So reading is still a big part of it.

在我的课程中，我仍然被要求阅读《了不起的盖茨比》这类书。

In my classes, I still am required to read Great Gatsby and things like that.

所以我之所以说不，是因为大多数人一想到阅读，就会想象有人躺在树下看书。

And so the reason I said no is just because most people, when they think of reading, it's like someone out under a tree reading a book.

但这种情况现在真的很少见了。

That doesn't really happen anymore.

而不同的是，你是在和你的AI伙伴一起阅读。

And the difference is you're just reading with your AI companion.

这正是我自己的情况。

That's me personally.

我认为大多数人并不会和年轻的AI一起阅读。

I think most people don't read with AIs that are young.

他们阅读只是因为享受这个过程。

They're reading just because they enjoy it.

而那些根本不再阅读的人，是什么取代了阅读呢？

And people who are not reading at all, what is the thing that's replacing that?

是电子游戏吗？

Is it video games?

是社交媒体吗？

Is it social media?

是和你的AI聊天吗？

Is it like chatting with your AI?

我们不妨把这分成两大类。

Let's say for this, maybe there's two big categories.

一类是故事，比如消费故事或参与故事。

One is story, like consuming stories or being part of stories.

另一类可能是追求你感兴趣的东西，比如深入钻研你关心的某个主题，那么这些替代阅读的是什么呢？

And then another one is maybe just pursuing stuff that you're interested in, like really getting deep into into like a subject that you care about, maybe like what are the replacements for that for reading?

我这么说是因为我热爱书籍，所以年轻人读书越来越少，这就像一刀刺进我心里。

And I'm just saying this because I like I love books, and so it's like it's a dagger to my heart that young people are reading less.

是的。

Yeah.

而且我也很感兴趣。

And I'm just I'm also interested.

如果你用AI来写代码，你就知道其中的痛苦。

If you're using AI to code, you know the pain.

太多终端窗口，多个代理同时运行，反复在它们之间复制粘贴上下文，还要记住哪个分支有什么。

Too many terminal panes, multiple agents running at once, copy pasting context between them, and trying to remember which branch has what.

瓶颈不再是写代码，而是协调代理。

The bottleneck isn't writing code anymore, it's coordinating agents.

Intent是一个为协调代理而非仅仅并行运行代理而打造的开发者工作区。

Intent is a developer workspace built for orchestrating agents, not just running them side by side.

它从一个动态规范开始，随着代理的进展自动更新，确保每个任务始终保持一致，无需手动协调。

It starts with a living spec that updates as agents make progress, so every task stays aligned with no manual coordination.

Intent与Augment的Augie及其上下文引擎配合最佳，但你也可以使用Cloud Code、Codex或OpenCode。

Intent works best with Augment's Augie and their context engine, but you can also bring Cloud Code, Codex, or OpenCode.

Intent是你IDE之后的下一个阶段。

Intent is what comes after your IDE.

前往augmentcode.com/intent亲自体验一下。

Try it yourself at augmentcode.com/intent.

那就是 augmentcode.com/intent。

That's augmentcode.com/intent.

带着意图去创造。

Build with intent.

现在，回到本期节目。

And now, back to the episode.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这里有很多内容要探讨。

I mean, there's a lot to go into here.

那么人们正在用什么取代阅读呢？

So how are people replacing reading?

在娱乐方面，显然是电视剧、电子游戏，还有和朋友闲聊。

So for the entertainment side, it's obviously TV shows usually, video games, gossiping with friends.

有一些非常有趣的AI娱乐应用。

There's some really fun AI entertainment applications.

比如查理·柯克的那首歌，那是一首走红的AI歌曲。

So like the Charlie Kirk song, that's an AI song that went super viral.

人们拥抱文化、谈论文化，这构成了娱乐的重要部分，而这主要归功于社交媒体。虽然大多数人认为社交媒体是坏事，它确实有一些负面因素，但我认为这非常有趣且酷炫。

Just people, I think embracing culture, talking about culture is a big part of our entertainment, which is due to social media, which most people see as a bad thing, which there are some bad elements of it, but I think it's really interesting and really cool.

这真的很有意思。

And so that's really interesting.

另一个非常有趣的是人们如何使用AI进行娱乐。

The other thing that's really interesting is how people are using AI for entertainment.

我简单介绍一下。

I'll just cover it quickly.

一年前Sesame模型刚发布时我就发现了。

I found Sesame's model when it first came out a year ago.

我当时就觉得，这太酷了。

And I was like, This is so cool.

我给一个朋友看了这个。

I showed it to one of my friends.

这位朋友非常有趣、充满活力又幽默。

This friend is very fun and energetic and funny.

她开始哄骗其中一个Sesame AI模型，让它以为自己是奥巴马。

And she started gaslighting one of the Sesame AI models into thinking it was Barack Obama.

我们只是和这个Sesame AI玩得很开心，故意逗它，享受其中的乐趣。

And we were just having a really fun time just talking to this Sesame AI gaslighting, it out, just having fun with it.

她做了一个YouTube视频，还可能发了一个TikTok，效果还不错。

And she made a YouTube video and I think made a TikTok that went pretty well or whatever about it.

还有许多类似这样的事情正在用AI实现。

And there's so many things like that that are being done with AI.

但在娱乐方面，这是人们替代阅读的第一种方式。

But in terms of entertainment, that's the first part of how people are kind of replacing reading.

至于他们如何以教育或学习为目的消费内容，据我所见，就是你对某件事感兴趣时，直接去问JGBT，或者问其中一个AI。

In terms of how they're consuming content educationally or trying to learn, yeah, from what I've seen, it's like you can just You're curious about something, go ask JGBT, go ask one of the AIs.

我几乎每天都会使用深度研究来学习新东西。

I use deep research pretty much every day to learn stuff.

我特别着迷于顺便说一句，我认识你的途径是看了你和德瓦尔卡什的播客，自从加入Alpha以来，我大概已经痴迷于这种学习方式一两年了，因为它非常细致而复杂。

I'm obsessed with By the way, the way I got introduced to you was I saw your podcast with Dwarkash, and I have been obsessed with the way I learn for probably a year or two ever since I joined Alpha because it's so nuanced and complex.

我认为人们在捕捉、整理或许多其他方面使用AI的方式非常有趣。

And I think that there's just some very interesting ways people are using AI in the framework of capturing or curation or lots of different things there.

这太有趣了。

That's fascinating.

等等，你使用深度研究吗？

Wait, so you use deep research?

因为我现在基本不用了，我觉得只要开启思考模式，大多数答案都挺好的。

Because I don't really use it anymore because I feel like most of the answers if you put on thinking are pretty good.

你用深度研究来做什么？

What do use deep research for?

是的，昨天我和朋友散步时，我们聊了关于人工智能和气候的话题。

Yeah, so I was on a walk with my friend yesterday and we were talking about AI and climate.

我当时就想，其实我对用水量了解得不多。

And I was like, I actually don't know much about water usage.

我看了一个汉克·格林的视频。

I watched one Hank Green video.

于是我心想，好吧，让我调出来，边走边让它生成内容。

So I was like, okay, let me just pull it out and it'll generate while I'm walking.

两天前，我每天都用它，因为我觉得自己在自己的领域已经做了很多研究。

Two days ago, just use it every day to like, there's an I think I've done a lot of research in my space.

我真的很想深入钻研一些非常具体的事情。

And I really want to go super deep in just very specific things.

所以对我来说，使用场景就是：我可以直接启动它。

So I think the use case for me is like, I can just put it on.

等到我需要做当天的研究时，我就翻阅一下，然后心想，哦，这个挺有意思。

And then when it's time for me to do my research for the day or whatever it is, I just read through it and I'm like, Oh, this is interesting.

我对这个不感兴趣。

I don't care about this.

这很有趣。

This is interesting.

然后我会对任何LOM进行更深入的研究。

And then I'll go deeper with any LOM.

你用的是ChatGPT、Claude、Gemini，还是其他什么工具？

Are you using ChatGPT or Claude or Gemini or like what's go to?

就在两天前，我测试了所有这些工具用于深度研究。

Literally two days ago, I tested all for deep research.

它们各有不同的优势和劣势。

All have very different strengths and weaknesses.

Grok的深度研究能力很差，所以我没用它。

Grok has a pretty bad deep research, so I didn't use that.

Grok

Grok

有

has a

很棒的语音留言。

great voice mail.

我只是根据不同的应用场景使用它们所有。

I just use all of them for different applications.

笔记本。

Notebook.

LM是我很久以来用过的最棒的工具之一。

Lm is one of the greatest things I've used in a long time.

我认为它在学校里会被疯狂地采用，因为它实在太强大了。

And I think it's going to be insane adoption in schools because it is crazy powerful.

好的。

Okay.

实际上，这对我来说非常有趣。

Actually, this is really interesting to me.

如果你基于自己的使用模式的话。

If you and this is based on your own usage patterns.

我知道你用它们来应对不同的使用场景。

I know that you use them for different use cases.

但如果你必须给所有AI应用排个序，比如Claude、ChatGPT，我们把Claude Code单独归为一类，还有NotebookLM、Gemini、Grok。

But if you had to rank all of the, like, AI application if you had to rank all of the AI applications like Claude, ChatGPT, let's put Claude code in a separate category, NotebookLM, Gemini, Grok.

把所有的AI从F级到F级排个序。

Rank all of the AIs from f tier to f tier.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

等一下。

Hold on.

我先从基础模型开始，然后再谈AI应用。

I'm gonna start with the foundation models, and then we'll go to AI apps.

很好。

Great.

对于基础模型，对我来说第一名是Claude，因为我的整个项目都是围绕创建针对我特定用途的非谄媚模型。

So for the foundation models, number one for me is Claude because my whole project is around creating models that are not sycophantic for my specific use case.

顺便说一下，我曾给Dario发过冷邮件，他给了我一些建议和帮助，所以我特别有偏见，因为这位很酷的家伙居然回复了我。

And I cold emailed Dario, by the way, and he gave me some advice and stuff, so I'm so biased because I'm like, this cool guy is responding to me.

但我对Anthropic的领导者们有着极大的信任，我看过他们发布的《创始人对话》视频。

But I just have so much trust in the leaders of Anthropic and I watched Founders Table video that they had.

所以我非常尊重他们的研究以及他们处理问题的方式。

And so I just respect their research, the way they're approaching whatever.

我非常喜欢Artifacts这个功能。

And I love artifacts so much.

这绝对是我在任何LLM中最喜欢的功能。

That's like the number one, my favorite thing of any LLM.

我目前第二喜欢的是ChatGPT。

My second favorite right now is ChatGPT.

我认为他们的深度研究最符合我的特定用途。

I think their deep research is the best for me in my specific use case.

而且这是他们的先发优势。

And it's my as their first mover advantage.

通常只要有疑问，我就会去找它。

It's just I go to it whenever I have a question, usually.

我的第三选择，我觉得很难选。

My third, I think it's hard.

Gemini 和 Grok 差不多平分秋色，但 Gemini 略胜一筹，因为我非常欣赏德米斯·哈萨比斯。

Gemini and Grok are kind of tied, but Gemini is slightly above, just because I love Demis Hassabis.

而且因为 Gemini 3 真的很酷。

And also because Gemini three is really cool.

我还觉得，TPU 很酷，他们拥有大量数据，我就是信任谷歌，觉得他们一定会很棒。

And I think are some, I just like think TPUs are cool and I think they have a lot of data and I just trust, I just think Google's gonna be great.

我目前几乎不用它，但我觉得它很酷。

And it is, I barely use it right now, but I think it's cool.

Grok 很酷，因为他们疯狂地尝试各种新东西，虽然我不太清楚，但这是我用得最少的一个。

And Grok is cool because they're just going crazy and trying things and I don't know, but that's the one I use the least.

在应用方面，我们在Alpha公司也会举办黑客松。

In terms of applications, so at Alpha we also do hackathons.

我们的第一个项目是用Cursor和Vercel之类的工具开发一款视频游戏。

And so our first one was using Cursor and Vercel, whatever, to build a video game.

我本人并不是那种一直高强度编码的超级技术型人物。

And so I'm not someone who's like super, super technical coding all the time.

不过Cursor确实很棒。

Cursor's pretty awesome though.

但我用的AI应用实在太多了，很难说清楚。

But it's hard to I use so many AI apps.

现在我最喜欢的是Granola。

Granola is like my favorite right now.

现在我最喜欢的是Whisper Flow。

Whisper Flow is my favorite right now.

有一个新应用叫Sublime。

There's a new app called Sublime.

你听说过这个吗？

Have you heard of this?

我喜欢，我买了终身版。

Love I bought the Lifetime.

我和萨里通了电话，我说：嘿，你能给我讲讲你的东西吗？

I went on a call with Sari and I was Hey, can you tell me about your thing?

然后我就买了终身版，因为我觉得它太酷了。

And then I bought Lifetime because I think it's so cool.

我觉得我在Sublime里有个文件夹，里面存着我试过的所有AI工具，那些真正让我留恋的都在里面。

I think I have a folder in Sublime with all the AI tools out there that I've tried, and those are the ones that are really sticky.

我对AI硬件着迷。

I'm obsessed with AI hardware.

我试过无限针、Pocket，几乎全都试过了。

I've tried the limitless pin, Pocket, pretty much all of them.

我非常期待新的Stream戒指。

And I'm really excited for Stream, the new ring.

我刚预定了那个。

I just pre ordered that.

我觉得那会成为我的首选。

That I think is going be my go to.

我期待Tia项链。

I'm excited for Tia Necklace.

那真的很酷。

That's really cool.

我不太喜欢Friend，但我不确定。

Not a fan of Friend, but I don't know.

有太多产品了。

There's so many.

我可能漏掉了好多。

I'm probably missing so many.

但这些是我一直在用并且非常热衷的。

But those are some of the ones that I use and I'm so passionate about it.

我喜欢这个。

I like it.

我很喜欢克劳德拿到了S级评价。

I love that Claude got the S tier.

这真的非常有趣。

That's really, really interesting.

达里奥，如果你在听，你做得很好。

Dario, if you're listening, you're doing a good job.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

百分之百。

A 100%.

现在像你这个年纪的孩子们都在用或者喜欢哪些奇怪的小应用或者网络角落？这些可能是我根本没听说过的。

What are the, like, what are the weird things, like the weird little apps or corners of the Internet that kids your age are using or into right now that I probably wouldn't have heard of?

哦，这是个非常好的问题。

Oh, that's such a good question.

哦。

Oh.

据我所知，应该不是特别指腹肌。

I don't think it's like abs in particular from what I understand.

我觉得一个有趣的案例是Finch。

I think actually interesting case study is Finch.

你听说过Finch吗？

Have you heard of Finch?

Finch是一款类似习惯养成和自我关怀的应用，有点像电子宠物。

Finch is like a habit self care kind of app, and it's kind of like Tamagotchi.

你有一个小宠物，如果你坚持习惯，就可以给它买衣服之类的东西。

You have a little pet and if you do habits, you can give them clothes and stuff.

如果你看看青少年的趋势和他们正在使用的东西，我觉得他们对这些角色类事物着迷，比如Libubus、毛绒玩具、果冻猫之类的东西。

If you look at the trend of teenagers and what they're using, I think they're obsessed with these character things and libubus and squishmallows and jelly cats and things like that.

因此，我们稍后可以深入我的项目，但这是我注意到的一个趋势。

Hence, what we can get into my project later, but that's just a trend I've noticed.

互联网的边缘地带通常出现在社交媒体上。

The corners of the internet are usually on social media.

所以我总是用BookTok作为例子，也就是图书版的TikTok。

So I always use BookTok as an example, TikTok for books.

所以这个领域依然很活跃，而且有很多Z世代的人。

So that's still very alive and there are Gen Z people.

我知道那个。

I know about that one.

我说的是那些奇怪的东西。

I'm talking about the weird stuff.

天哪。

Oh gosh.

我只是觉得这些都是随机的趋势。

I just think it's just random trends.

这没什么黏性，这很有趣。

There's no stickiness, which is interesting.

它变化得太快了。

It just moves so fast.

我们刚才还在谈6.7，现在我都忘了我们在聊什么了。

We're now we were talking about 6.7, and now I don't even know what we're talking about.

跟上它真不容易。

It's hard to keep up with.

所以，我在这次采访中 earlier 提到了六点七，不知道你有没有注意到。

So, I used six point seven earlier in this interview, and I didn't know if you noticed.

你只是喜欢六七样东西，然后

You just like six or seven things and

我做到了。

I did it.

我本来在等你的反应，但有点失望。

I was I was waiting for the reaction, but I was disappointed.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

我对自己大脑的处理方式是，如果有人提到六点七，我就觉得这已经过时了。

I've treated my brain where I'm like, if someone like, I'm never gonna say six, seven because it is dead.

这太老了。

It's old.

我就是对它有这种糟糕的负面联想。

I And just have this terrible negative association with it.

但Z世代的俚语，我觉得虽然一直都有俚语，但现在却显得特别新。

But Gen Z slang, I feel like is kind of like there's always been slang, but it's like new.

比如现在出现了很多新词。

Like there's a lot more.

而且它是去中心化的，对吧？

And it's decentralized, right?

没有任何一个人在主导这种文化。

There's no one person creating the culture.

是的，比如卡戴珊家族以及人们仰望的那些名人。

Yes, the Kardashians and whatever and the celebrities people are looking up to.

我们应该谈谈不安全感，因为我认为这是很多这种现象背后的驱动力。

And we should talk about insecurity because I think that's what's the driver of a lot of this stuff.

但这取决于你身处互联网的哪个角落。

But it depends on what corner of the internet you are.

我认为这一切归根结底都是文化问题。

And I think it all comes down to culture.

我们被强制在Alpha读这本书，叫《10到25》。

We're made to read this, forced to read this book at Alpha called 10 to 25.

这是一本很棒的书。

It's a great book.

它讲的是10到25岁的人如何被激励，他们被什么所驱动。

It's all about how ten to twenty five year olds are motivated, what they're motivated by.

而最重要的一点是，他们被地位和尊重所驱动。

And the number one thing is they're motivated by status and respect.

他们正在努力寻找自己在世界中的位置。

They're trying to figure out their place in the world.

我们马上要进入存在主义的话题了。

We're going to get existential real quick here.

他们试图弄清楚自己在世界中的位置，想给谁留下印象，等等。

They're trying to figure out their place in the world and who they want to impress and whatever it is.

因此，他们做的几乎所有决定都围绕着这一点。

And so pretty much every decision they make is oriented around that.

我认为，随着这些去中心化的创作者出现，2026年将会迎来一场文化上的巨大爆发。

And I think there's just going to be this insane explosion of culture in 2026 with this now decentralized creators.

有太多小型创作者在YouTube等平台上拥有数万、数十万的粉丝，人们会关注他们。

There's so many small little creators that have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands followers on YouTube, whatever, that people follow.

这非常细致，完全因人而异。

And it's just so nuanced and just depends on the person.

如果你有那么几个例子，比如某个创作者虽然名气不大，但你却一直看他的内容，或者他正在崛起，麻烦发给我看看。

I would love for you to send me if you have a couple of those where you're like, this person is small, but I watch them all the time or they're blowing up.

我真的很想知道这些人是谁。

I would love to hear who those people are.

我可以采访一些我的朋友，也问问他们。

I can interview some of my friends, ask them as well.

是的，一定要这么做。

Yeah, definitely, definitely do that.

好的。

Okay.

你提到过这种毛绒玩具趋势。

You mentioned this sort of libubu trend, the plushy trend.

我知道这和你的项目有关。

And I know that relates to your project.

你能跟我们讲讲你正在做的项目吗？并解释一下在Alpha学校什么是项目。

You want to tell us the project that you're working on and frame for us like what a project is at Alpha School.

好的，我们回溯一下。

Yeah, let's go back.

这就是我转学到Alpha的原因。

So this is the reason I transferred into Alpha.

我以十一年级学生的身份转学过来的。

I transferred in as an eleventh grader.

在九年级和十年级的时候，你知道，我在ChatGPT火起来之前就已经接触过AI了，因为我的一位老师实在太棒了。

And in my ninth and tenth grade years, you know, I was exposed to AI before ChatGPT blew up just because one of my teachers was so awesome.

所以我早早就看到了Midjourney、OpenAI的游乐场，那时候它还没变成聊天形式，还有其他各种东西。

So I saw Midjourney, OpenAI's playground before it became chat and like these different things.

因此我对AI非常热衷，一直在做项目，等等，后来听说了Alpha，也听说了所谓的AlphaX项目。

And so I was super passionate about AI, was building projects, whatever, heard about Alpha and heard about this thing called an AlphaX project.

简单来说，它是一个超级大型的奥运级别项目，证明你就是世界上最好的人。

And basically what it is, is a super big Olympic level project that shows that you are the best in the world.

你真的是在你所做的事情上，世界上最好的人。

You are literally the best in the world at what you do.

它基于你对世界的一个独特洞察，为特定人群提供服务。

And provides a very unique It's built on a unique insight that you have about the world to serve a certain population.

所以这通常是一个初创公司。

So it's usually a startup.

但正如你所听到的，我有一些网红朋友。

But as you've heard, I have influencer friends.

我有朋友在制作音乐剧，还有各种各样的项目。

I have friends who are building musicals, lots of different varieties of projects.

在你Alpha生涯的初期，你会和你的导师坐下来，一起经历我确信你听说过的目标人生（Ikigai）过程，即你擅长什么、世界需要什么、你能靠什么谋生，以及你对什么感兴趣。

And at the beginning of your alpha career, you are sat down with your guide and you go through the I'm sure you've heard of Ikigai process, what you're good at, what the world needs, what you can make a living off of, and what you're interested in.

然后我们会缩小你想要深入的专长领域。

And we narrow down a niche of expertise that you want to go deep into.

我们会找到一个洞察，发现某种解决问题的方法，或者类似的东西。

We find an insight, we find out maybe a way to solve a problem or whatever it is.

接着我们会开始尝试打造产品、服务、受众和分发渠道，成为我们领域里世界上最顶尖的专家，并创造真实的洞察。

And we start trying to build the product, build the service, build our audience, build distribution, and become the world's greatest expert in our field and create genuine insights.

我可以详细讲讲这三个方向，但这些正是你被评估的三个方面。

And I can go into those three verticals, but those are the three things you're kind of tested on.

你的项目是什么？

And what's your project?

是的。

Yeah.

所以我进来的时候，我是一个非常以问题为导向的人。

So I came in I'm a very problem oriented person.

我想解决一个巨大的问题。

I want to solve a huge problem.

这就是我的目标。

That's my goal.

因此，我的分析是，如果我想在未来十年内解决一个大问题，它必须与我有强烈的情感联系。

And so my analysis was, if I want to solve a big problem over the next ten years, it has to be super emotionally connected to me.

所以当时我有两个主要想解决的问题。

And so there were kind of two big problems I wanted to solve.

第一个是教育危机，因为它与我息息相关，这也是我转学的原因。

The first was the education crisis, because that was deeply intertwined with me and that's why I transferred.

所以我可以全职帮助Alpha，或者做类似的事情，尝试创办一家教育初创公司。

So I could help Alpha full time or do something like that, try and build an education startup.

顺便说一下，我是最讨厌教育科技的人，因为每个月都有新的教育科技公司出现，但它们全都倒闭了，不过我们也可以聊聊这个。

By the way, I am the number one ed tech hater because there's a new ed tech company every month and they all die, but we can go into that too.

另一个让我非常关心的问题是心理健康。

And then the other problem that's super near and dear to me is mental health.

我的许多家庭成员都因为心理健康问题住过院。

A lot of my family members have been in inpatient hospitals because of their mental health problems.

我在以前的学校时也经历过心理健康问题。

I I struggled with my mental health in my old school.

我的很多朋友会在凌晨两点、三点给我发消息。

A lot of my friends texted me at 2AM, 3AM.

我是那个会回复消息并帮助他们度过难关的朋友。

Was the friend who would text back and help them through things.

所以我看到青少年、尤其是年轻人中间存在巨大的缺口。

So it was like, I see this huge gap in teenagers in particular, young people in particular.

你有这些不安全感，这些日常问题，它们可能会累积成日后真正的问题，就像我父母那样。

You have these insecurities, these day to day problems that can compound into real problems later on, like with my parents.

他们要么去找朋友解决问题，但这根本没用，朋友只是认同他们的感受。

And they're going to either friends to solve their problems, which doesn't really work, they just validate them.

或者他们去找父母或治疗师，虽然能得到好的建议，但这些话却无法引起共鸣。

Or they go to parents or therapists, which they give them good advice, but it doesn't resonate.

现在他们转向了AI伴侣，正如我所说，有百分之五十二的人每天都使用它们。

And now they're going to AI companions and fifty two percent, like I said, use them every day.

我们已经看到了两起自杀案例。

We've already seen two suicide cases.

我刚收到一段新闻，讲的是一个AI玩具给八岁孩子传递错误信息。

I just got sent a news segment about an AI toy giving misinformation to eight year olds.

我当时就想，这不该是这样的。

And I was like, this is not what it should be.

真正融入这种文化和世代的人，才应该来构建这样的产品。

Someone who is actually ingrained in the culture and the generation needs to be building this.

所以我决定打造巴里，这是一个为青少年应对日常问题设计的AI毛绒玩具。

And so I decided to build Barry, which is an AI stuffed animal for teens' day to day problems.

他们每天会和它交谈五到十分钟。

They talk to it from five to ten minutes a day.

目标是培养自我觉察的能力。

The goal is to build the muscle of self awareness.

你并不是依赖它，而是通过它学会认识自己，以正确的方式应对和处理问题。

So it's not like you're dependent on it, you're built up to learn about yourself and cope and deal with your problems in the right way.

但它也非常有趣。

But it's also super fun.

我的目标是成为下一个‘制作泰迪熊’品牌。

My goal is to be the next Build A Bear.

我正在与网红合作推出定制版本。

I'm partnering with influencers to have custom versions.

它非常柔软，有重量感，还能降温。

It's super soft, it's weighted, it's cooling.

是的，我对我们的发展方向感到非常兴奋。

And yeah, I'm just super excited about where we're going with it.

我怎么才能得到一个？

How do I get one?

你可以预购。

You can pre order.

我发你链接。

I'll send you the link.

把链接发给我，我会把它放在节目笔记里，供有需要的人查看。

Send me the link and we'll put the link in the show notes for anyone who wants one.

好的。

Yeah.

是的，告诉我你希望了解哪些内容，因为我真的能连续聊好几天。

Yeah, let me know what you want to go into because I could talk about this for literally days,

我们还剩几分钟。

Well, we have a few minutes left.

那么，你最后还想谈一下什么你认为我们还没提到但人们应该知道的重要问题吗？

So what's the last burning thing that you want to talk about that you feel like we haven't covered but you think people should know?

所以我认为关键问题是，为什么人们普遍对人工智能持悲观态度？

So I think the big thing is, you know, why in general are people pessimistic about AI?

这是因为我认为他们感到不确定，根本不知道未来会怎样，还会剩下什么。

It's because I think they're uncertain and they just don't know what is the future, what's going to be left.

人类还会存在吗？人工智能会取代人类吗？

If humans are going to be left, will AI replace humanity?

人工智能会取代个体人类吗？

Will AI replace individual humans?

未来会是什么样子？

What is it going to look like?

我认为这里重要的是保持理性乐观，理解未来会是什么样子，以及我们应该构建一个怎样的世界？

And I think the important thing here is to be grounded in rational optimism and understand what will this look like and what is the world that we should be building?

我之前跟你说过，我非常痴迷于人类学这个理念，即在人工智能时代，什么才是人类独有的特质。

And so I was telling you earlier, I'm super obsessed with this idea of this human studies and understanding what will be uniquely human in the age of AI.

我认为这里有几个非常核心的要点。

And I think there's a couple things that are super core I think here.

首先是，以AI目前的状态来看，有什么东西是它永远无法替代的？

The first is, what is something that an AI can never replace, at least in the state they're at right now?

是人与人之间的连接、脆弱性、情商、欣赏、感恩、对自然的热爱，这些与人类息息相关、极为珍贵的东西。

It's human connection, vulnerability, emotional intelligence, appreciation, gratitude, loving nature, things like that, things that are just very near and dear to humanity.

所以我真希望能开出天使支票，因为有很多工具正在深入探索这些领域。

And so I wish I could write angel checks because there's a lot of these tools that are just really going deep into these.

所以Sublimes的核心是人类的精心筛选。

So Sublimes is all about human curation.

我曾让AI为我在Spotify上生成一个播放列表，或者给我列出我领域内的十大专家。

I've asked AI to make me a playlist on Spotify or to give me the top 10 experts in my field.

结果非常糟糕。

And it's pretty bad.

实际上，糟透了。

It's terrible, actually.

它无法捕捉那种品味，或者我们称之为的其他东西。

It can't capture the taste or whatever we call it.

因此，这将是人类独有的东西。

And so that's going be something that's uniquely human.

对于我的产品来说，AI永远无法取代你能与之交谈的人——一个真正的人类对话者，但它可以帮助你培养技能，或为你提供正确的信息，以改善你的心理健康。

For my product, AIs will never replace having someone you can talk to, like a human that you're talking to, but it can help you build the skills or it can help you give you the right information to, you know, work on your mental health.

它能为你提供练习脆弱性的空间。

It can give you the space to practice vulnerability.

我深深着迷于这个想法：什么是人类独有的？我们如何让人类去做他们最擅长的事，把所有枯燥的工作都交给机器，让人们去创作艺术，或做任何他们想做的事。

And I'm just so obsessed with this idea of what is gonna be uniquely human and how can we allow humans to do what humans best, do best replace all the boring jobs so that people can create art or whatever it is.

所以，昨天我和朋友聊到这个话题时，她说：我对未来真的非常悲观。

So I think when I was talking to my friend yesterday about this, she was like, I'm just so pessimistic about the future.

我觉得这个世界可能在两千年后就结束了。

I think the world's gonna end in maybe two thousand years.

我不确定。

I don't know.

但我就是觉得一切都结束了。

But I just feel like everything is over.

很难表达这一点。

It's hard to express this.

它必须建立在理性基础上，但我对未来依然充满乐观。

It has to be grounded in this rationality, but I'm just so optimistic about the future.

我真的希望也能把这种感受分享给其他人，因为这实在太令人兴奋了。

And I really hope that I can share that with other people too, because is just so exciting.

我非常兴奋能活在当下。

And I'm so excited to be alive right now.

我太喜欢了。

I love this.

真是种享受。

What a pleasure.

你让我也兴奋起来了。

You're making me excited.

我们非常幸运，能在下一代中拥有像你这样的人为我们指明方向。

We're very lucky to have people like you in the next generation to show us the way.

看到孩子们将来会很好，这真让人欣慰。

And it's it's good to see that the kids are gonna be alright.

是的。

Yeah.

亚历克斯，非常感谢你参与这次对话。

Alex, thank you so much for joining.

如果人们想联系你或预购你的产品，他们在哪里可以找到你？

If people wanna get in touch or preorder your product, where can they find you?

对。

Yeah.

Twitter 可能是你们主要的平台，但我还是会把我的所有社交账号都告诉你，也欢迎你们随时联系我。

Twitter is the main one for probably you guys, but I'll I'll give you all my socials and and, yeah, totally reach out to me too.

我喜欢和人们交流。

I love talking to people.