AEE 2653：当“鱼腥”和“奶酪”不关乎食物

这是《All Ears English》播客第2653期。

This is an All Ears English podcast episode twenty six fifty three.

当‘fishy’和‘cheesy’说的不是食物的时候。

When fishy and cheesy aren't about food.

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你有没有遇到过，别人说某事‘fishy’或者‘cheesy’，但你明明知道他们根本不是在聊吃的？

Have you heard something described as fishy or cheesy, but you could tell they weren't talking about food?

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你好，米歇尔。

Hello, Michelle.

最近怎么样？

How are you?

嗨，奥布里。

Hi Aubrey.

我挺好的。

I'm good.

你最近怎么样？

How are you?

你周末过得怎么样？

How was your weekend?

太棒了。

Amazing.

我有个好消息要分享。

I have fun news.

哦，是吗。

Oh okay.

如果你们在YouTube上观看，我待会儿让你们看看这个。

I'm gonna show everybody if you're watching on YouTube at home, you'll be able to see this.

如果看不到，就让Michelle帮我们描述一下。

And if not, we'll have Michelle describe it.

我拿到了

I got

纹身。

a tattoo.

天哪。

Oh my god.

就是那种……好吧。

It's like a Okay.

整条手臂都是纹身。

So Sleeve.

我的天。

Oh my gosh.

奥布里。

Aubrey.

真有意思，刚才我们聊天的时候，我就在想，你注意到了吗？

So funny it because when we were talking earlier, I was like notice?

有那么一瞬间，我差点以为自己看花了眼。

There was one moment where I was like, did I just see something?

然后，不，等等。

And then and then No.

你知道，我们刚才说累了。

You know, we said I'm tired.

我不确定。

I don't know.

然后，就是说。

And like, so.

天啊。

But I my gosh.

哇，哇，哇，哇，哇。

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah.

这看起来太美了。

Does it look That's beautiful.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

但这个是真的

But this is a real

等等，你得用海娜花来做。

Wait, It's you gotta henna.

哦，这是海娜纹身。

Oh, it's a henna tattoo.

这是海娜。

It's henna.

在视频里很难看出来，对吧？

On the video it's hard to tell, right?

是的。

Yeah.

这是海娜，但整个手臂都是海娜纹身。

It's henna, but it is a full sleeve of henna tattoos.

所以如果你是在听播客，想看清楚的话，可以去YouTube上找一下，很漂亮。

So you can come and look at it on YouTube if you are listening on the podcast Beautiful.

我简直着迷了。

I am obsessed.

好吧，我简单说一下事情经过。

And okay, here's the story really quickly.

我参加女儿的生日派对时，看到一位女士手臂上纹了一整条纹身，特别喜欢。

I was at my daughter's birthday party and a woman had a full sleeve of tattoos that I loved.

那些图案真的太美了。

They were so beautiful.

我就跟她说：你的纹身太棒了，我超喜欢。

And I was telling her, I'm like, I love your tattoos.

我一直都想纹一条这样的。

I've always wanted a sleeve like that.

她问我：那你为什么没纹呢？

And she was like, Why haven't you done it?

我说：我也不清楚，就是一直没行动。

I said, I don't know, I just never have.

我不喜欢针头。

I don't love needles.

我跟她说，我现在年纪太大了。

And I told her, Now I'm too old.

她就说，我年轻的时候纹的。

And she was like, Yeah, I got mine when I was young.

我就说，你这话说得不对，你应该说‘你也不对’，对吧？

And I was like, That's not, you're supposed to say you're not Right, too right, right.

然后她建议我，干嘛不试试纹临时的纹身呢？

And then she was like why don't you just get a henna tattoo?

她说，那样就不用针了。

She's like then it's not needles.

她还说，你可以纹一整条手臂的临时纹身。

She's like you could just get a full sleeve of henna.

我这才想起来，我从来没想过这个办法。

And I was like I've never thought about that.

我们有时候会在罗基波因特的海滩上给孩子们做指甲花纹身。

We'll do henna tattoos for our kids sometimes on the beach in Rocky Point.

会有艺术家过来提供服务，孩子们手臂上会纹个小图案，想画啥都行。

Artists will come by and offer and they'll get like a little tattoo on their arm of whatever.

但我自己从来没纹过。

But I've never gotten one.

我压根儿就没想过这事儿。

I've just never even thought about it.

尤其是从来没想过要纹一整条手臂的纹身。

And I especially hadn't thought about getting a whole sleeve.

于是我看着她，直接说：我现在就去弄一个。

And so I like looked at her and I was like, I'm gonna go do that right now.

说完我就走了。

And I left.

我给另一位妈妈打了电话，让她去生日派对接孩子，然后我去了家指甲花店，接下来三个小时都在那儿，纹了个大图案——天啊，真漂亮。

Called another mom to pick my, you know, our kids up from the birthday party and I went to a henna shop and for the next three hours I was there getting Oh wow.

这个纹身真是太惊艳了。

This henna It was so wow.

人家问要花多长时间？

It's ask how long it takes?

确实很漂亮。

Well it's beautiful.

刚弄完的时候颜色特别深，等颜料慢慢脱落之后才会变淡。

And at first it's very dark before the ink flakes off.

我回家后，我老公一看，那时候颜色还特别深，看起来真像一个真正的纹身。

So I got home and my husband saw it and it looks more like a real tattoo when it's really dark before the ink flakes off.

他简直惊呆了，就愣在那里，哦……

And he was like flabbergasted, just like, oh.

我以前根本没跟他提过想纹身的事。

Because I've never even really talked about getting a tattoo.

这事儿完全不在他的想象范围里。

It's not something that would on his radar.

这真有意思。

That was fun.

我不仅让你惊讶了，也把他吓了一跳，可能家里听直播的每个人也都没想到。

And so I shocked you and I shocked him and maybe everybody listening at home.

YouTube上所有观众估计都没想到。

Everybody on YouTube might

等等，那这个能保持多久？

Wait also so be how long will it last?

大概两周吧。

A couple weeks.

他们说，只要别用太热的水洗，别晒太阳，就能维持两周。

They said if you don't get really hot water on it and keep it out of direct sunlight, it should last two weeks.

但现在我有了它，简直爱不释手。

But now that I have it, I love it so much.

我都在想，是不是该纹一整条手臂的真纹身了。

I'm like maybe I need a full sleeve of real tattoos.

也许我能忍受得了针，因为我太喜欢了

Maybe I can handle needles because I love it

真的特别喜欢。

so much.

你可以先纹个小的，看看感觉怎么样

You could start with something small and then you know, see if

但那真不像我。

not really me though.

我估计直接就纹一整条袖子了。

I'll probably just get the whole sleeve all at once.

开玩笑的。

No, I'm joking.

我觉得我还是先纹个小的，试试能不能扛得住针。

I think I would start with the small one and see if I can handle the needles.

对，就是这样。

Right exactly.

走着瞧吧。

You know, we'll see.

走着瞧吧。

We'll see.

米歇尔，你有纹身吗？

You have any tattoos, Michelle?

没有。

No.

但我觉得纹身真的很酷，有时候我也想过要纹一个，就是拿不定主意。

But I I like I I do think they're really cool and sometimes I think about getting one, but I don't know.

我以前一直挺羡慕杰西卡的纹身的。

Maybe one was always jealous of Jessica's tattoos.

杰西卡那个唯一的纹身。

Jessica's always only tattoo.

你让我想起杰西卡了。

You made me think of Jessica.

是的。

Yeah.

天哪。

Oh gosh.

她的纹身太棒了。

Hers are awesome.

我记得我去印度参加朋友婚礼时，纹过一次临时的指甲花图案。

I Well, I remember I did get a henna tattoo when I went to my friend's wedding in India.

当时手上有好一阵子，真的很喜欢，但之后就没再纹过了，不过那确实很美。

And I had it like on my hand for a while and I did really, I liked it but yeah I haven't since but that's really awesome.

店里有两个指甲花纹身师，她给我纹了整条袖子，花了很长时间，其他几位技师轮流给客人在手上纹小图案。

Were two henna artists at the shop and while she did my sleeve which took a lot of time like four different girls cycled through the other artists getting small tattoos on their hands.

看着这么精美的艺术在皮肤上慢慢呈现，真的很享受，他们总是惊叹：哇，整条袖子，真酷。

And it was fun to like watch this beautiful art, you know, And on their then if they were always like, woah, a whole sleeve, that's cool.

我当时就想，嗯，我也不确定。

I was like, yeah, I don't know.

为什么不呢？

Why not?

太棒了。

Awesome.

那为什么不呢？

Well not?

看起来真美，好好享受吧。

It looks beautiful, enjoy it.

谢谢你。

Then Thank you.

风往哪儿吹，你就往哪儿去吧，奥布里。

You see where the wind blows you Aubrey.

我知道这挺有意思的，因为纹身没画在胳膊内侧。

I know it's interesting because it's not on the inside of my arm.

一开始我想纹个完整的袖套，绕着手臂一圈，但她跟我说这行不通，因为得画到手臂上方，干得太慢了。

At first I wanted the full sleeve that goes all the way around your arm but she said that won't work because you'd have to do the top and it's wet for a long time while it dries.

她说，你没法直接转过手臂让她马上纹下面的部分。

She's like you wouldn't be able to turn your arm and have her do the bottom right away.

你得改天再来。

You'd have to come back another time.

所以我让她先纹上面的部分。

And so I was like just do it on the top.

这样就行。

We're good.

是的，这样挺好。

Yeah, that sounds good.

对，真漂亮。

Yeah, beautiful.

这是

That's the

别人最常看到的我手臂部分。

main part of my arm that people see.

我平时可不会经常给人看我手臂的内侧。

It's not like I'm showing people the underside of my arm very often.

不过我确实在YouTube上展示过两次。

Though I just did it twice on YouTube.

今天我很期待开始学一些新词汇。

Well, I'm excited to dive into some Vocab today.

米歇尔，我本来想说我很兴奋要分享……

Michelle I'm I gonna share my exciting was excited to

分享出来真棒。

That's share it to awesome.

谢谢你，真的非常感谢。

Well thank you, thank you.

另一个跟纹身无关的问题，你知道什么搞笑的冷笑话吗？

Another question that is not about tattoos, but do you know any cheesy jokes?

哦

Oh,

是的。

yes.

作为妈妈，我觉得普通家长都会准备几个老掉牙的笑话，等合适的时候讲出来。

As a mom, think the average parent has a few cheesy jokes ready up their for the opportune moment.

因为孩子们都特别喜欢这种老套的笑话。

Because kids I think love cheesy jokes.

我孩子就特别爱听这种笑话。

My kids love cheesy jokes.

所以前几天我就给他们讲了一个。

So here's one I told my kids the other day.

好吧。

Okay.

稻草人为什么能得奖？

Why did the scarecrow win an award?

好吧。

Okay.

为什么？

Why?

因为他站在田里特别出色。

Because he was outstanding in his field.

啊，明白了。

Ah.

我喜欢这个。

I like it.

这确实

That is

是个老套的笑话。

a cheesy one.

确实很老套。

It is cheesy.

他一下就懂了，因为‘出色’这个词我孩子平时根本不会用。

It took him just a second because outstanding is not a word that my kids use a lot.

他们明白意思，但这个词平时用得不多。

They know what it means, but it's not super common.

所以他们一开始只想到字面意思，比如稻草人站在玉米地里特别显眼。

So they got the literal meaning that a scarecrow would be outstanding in a field, like a cornfield.

但要想到‘outstanding’作为形容词，意思是表现优异、值得获奖，他们花了点时间才反应过来。

But then to think of the adjective outstanding, meaning worthy of receiving an award.

不过，他们理解第二个意思确实花了一点时间。

That second meaning took them a second to get.

但我特别喜欢他们突然开窍的那一刻。

But I love the moment when they have this realization.

我从不直接告诉他们答案。

I don't explain it to them.

我会给他们时间，自己去琢磨这个双关语到底在哪，每次他们恍然大悟说‘哦，我懂了！’的时候，都特别有意思。

I give them time to figure out what the double meaning is, like what makes And it a it's always fun when they're like, Oh, I get it.

对，就是这样。

Yeah, exactly.

哦，这太有趣了。

Oh, that's so funny.

真可爱，奥布里，我喜欢这个。

Very cute, Aubrey, I like it.

所以奥布里，当我们说‘老套的笑话’时，显然不是在谈食物。

So Aubrey, when we talk about cheesy jokes, we're obviously not talking about food.

我们不是在说那种‘味道很俗气’的奶酪。

We're not talking about, like, oh, the the taste cheesy.

对吧？

Right?

有些形容食物的词，其实有完全不同的比喻含义。

But there are several adjectives that describe food, but have a completely different idiomatic meaning.

今天我们要回答一位听众的问题，聊聊‘老套’这个词，还有另一个词。

So today, we're gonna answer a listener question about these about this of cheesy and then another word.

我会讲一些类似的英语表达，它们用来形容某样东西，但跟字面上的食物完全没关系，都是习语。

I'll be doing doing New words like this that we use to describe something in English that is totally unrelated to the food that you would think that are idiomatic.

所以，我来念一下这个问题。

So yeah, I'll go ahead and read the question.

哦，这是来自YouTube的留言。

Oh, This is from YouTube.

记得你们可以在YouTube视频下留言。

Remember, you guys can leave comments on the YouTube videos.

如果你是来看我纹身的，顺便留个言吧。

If you came to YouTube to see my tattoo, leave a comment while you're here.

告诉我你对我的指甲花图案有什么看法。

Let me know what you think of my henna.

也说说你觉得我该不该纹一个整条手臂的纹身。

Let me know if you think I should get a full sleeve of tattoos or not.

所有建议和评论我都会认真考虑，但最后怎么决定，还是我自己说了算。

I'll take all feedback and commentary with an under advisement, which means I'll consider it and then I'm going do whatever I want.

好了，来看这条留言。

Alright, here's our comment.

这是来自TomokoFu1Q的留言，他说：‘一直感谢你的播客和视频。’

This was from TomokoFu1Q who said, Thank you always for your podcasts and videos.

不客气，Damogo，谢谢你的留言。

You're welcome, Damogo, and thank you for the comment.

谢谢。

Thank you.

他们还问，想了解‘fishy’和‘cheesy’这两个词有什么区别，再多举些例子。

And then they said, I'd like to know the difference between fishy and cheesy and more examples with them.

这两个词听起来挺有意思的。

They sound funny to me.

对啊。

Mhmm.

正因如此，它们才有趣。

And that's because they are funny.

我特别喜欢这类词。

I love these words.

确实如此。

They are.

对。

Yeah.

我得说，非常感谢你提出这个问题和留言。

I mean, I can definitely thank you for the question and the comment.

我也完全理解为什么英语学习者会对这些词感到困惑，因为它们之间的区别并不明显，但人们确实经常用，而且用起来特别能拉近距离，因为它们很有趣，能给对话增添个性和幽默感，不过如果你不了解，光是说某事‘鱼腥’或‘奶酪味’，听起来确实挺怪的。

And, I mean, I can definitely understand why English learners would be confused about these because the difference isn't very obvious, but people do use them and they're really good for connection because they're so playful and they add personality and humor to your conversations, but they definitely seem weird to describe things as fishy or cheesy if you don't know

不明白它们的意思的话。

what they mean.

如果你不清楚它们真正的含义，确实容易搞混。

If you don't know what they actually mean, you could be confused.

因为有些东西闻起来‘鱼腥’，那意思就是真有鱼的味道，像海鱼那种。

Because something can smell fishy and it means it smells like actual fish, like the ocean fish.

有些东西吃起来‘奶酪味’，就像你提到的，奶酪味饼干、奶酪味披萨。

And something can taste cheesy, like you said, cheesy crackers, cheesy pizza.

但今天我们聊的是那些和字面意思完全无关的习语表达。

But what we're talking about today is idiomatic meanings that are unrelated to those more literal meanings.

所以我特别期待深入聊聊这个话题。

So I'm excited to dive into this.

我们会教你四个这样的表达，用的都是食物相关的词，但根本不是在说吃的。

We're going to teach you four expressions like this where we're using food words, but not actually talking about food at all.

这些表达都非常口语化。

And they're very casual.

用在日常对话里再合适不过了。

They're perfect for everyday conversations.

没错。

Exactly.

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And guys, remember to hit the follow button if you haven't already, wherever you are listening to the allearsenglish podcast, or if you're on YouTube, hit subscribe, so you never miss anything from us.

是的。

Yeah.

那我们先来看第一个。

So let's dive in with the first one.

当我们不是在谈食物的时候，如果说某件事‘有鱼腥味’，那是什么意思呢，米歇尔？

When we're not obviously talking about food and something that smells fishy, what does that mean to call something fishy, Michelle?

是的。

Yeah.

如果不是在说食物，那这个词就表示某事可疑、不诚实，或者哪里不太对劲。

Well, if we're not talking about food, it it means something is suspicious, dishonest, or just not quite right.

所以如果一件事听起来‘有鱼腥味’，你就会觉得对方可能没说实话，或者在做不该做的事，总之就是对这情况不太放心。

So if something is fishy, you you have this feeling that someone might not be telling the truth or maybe they're doing something they shouldn't or you just don't really trust a situation.

没错。

Exactly.

其实这个周末我就用过这个词，我儿子跟我说了学校里发生的一件事，我当时就觉得这事儿有点不对劲。

Actually, I may have used that this weekend because my son told me something that had happened at school and I was like, that sounds a little fishy.

我得再问问细节。

I need more details.

简而言之，他跟我讲了老师说过的一些话。

And long story short, he shared some things that his teacher had said.

老师拿他班和另一个班做比较，他是通过我女儿知道的，他们俩是双胞胎，我女儿在另一个班。

She was comparing his class to another class and he found out about it because my daughter, they're twins, my daughter is in the other class.

所以他们比一般孩子掌握的信息要多一些。

And so they sort of had more information than most kids would have.

老师基本上对另一个班说，你们是我最喜欢的班，明显比其他班强，也更守纪律。

And she basically was telling the other class, you're my favorite class, you're by far the better class, you're more well behaved.

她甚至对儿子的班级也说了类似的话。

Then she was even saying some things to my son's class like that.

说那个班更好，更轻松。

Like they're the better class, They're more weightless.

所以我只好联系了校长。

So I had to contact the principal.

我当时就觉得，这事儿不太妥当。

So I was like, this is not great.

这让人很泄气。

Is discouraging.

这让威利很难过。

It's making Willy sad.

他多大了？

And how old?

他上几年级来着？

What grade again?

他十一岁。

He's 11.

他上六年级。

He's in sixth grade.

这不太像话。

That doesn't like

一个年级。

a grade.

因为这个年纪的孩子特别在意老师对他们的看法，特别希望老师喜欢他们。

Because that's definitely still the age where it really matters to them what their teacher thinks of them and that their teacher likes them.

他很难过，真的非常难过。

And was devastated, he's devastated.

所以这件事处理得还不错。

So that was good.

校长非常重视，已经去找老师谈了，我真的很欣慰，毕竟我听说过更过分的老师。

Principal took it very seriously and is speaking to the teacher and I'm really glad because I've certainly heard of teachers doing worse things.

跟那些更严重的情况比起来，这算小事了，但对孩子来说，这可不是小事。

Pretty minor in comparison to what could happen, but no big deal to a small child.

总之，这是个例子，当孩子跟你讲了点什么，你感觉有点不对劲，事情开始凑在一起的时候。

Anyway, that's one example of something being a bit fishy when your kid tells you something And things are adding up.

孩子断断续续地说，你就得把整个故事拼起来，才能搞清楚哪里不对劲。

They're like giving to you and then you're like, I need the whole story so that I can understand what sounds off to me.

对吧？

Right?

是的

Yeah.

很高兴你提出来了，奥布里。

Well I'm glad you said something Aubrey.

我们再来一个，做个角色扮演吧。

Let's do another, let's do a role play.

好了，开始吧。

So here we go.

他突然改了说法，这有点可疑。

It's a little fishy that he suddenly changed his story.

对，我完全不信任他。

Yeah, I definitely don't trust him.

这是个很好的例子。

That's a great example.

当有人跟你说事情的时候，你能感觉到细节对不上。

When someone is telling you something and you can tell that details aren't matching up.

这就不一样了，比如我儿子讲这件事的时候，我不是不信他，而是觉得他故意没说全。

And this is different, like when my son told this story, it wasn't that I didn't believe him, it was that I could tell he was leaving things out.

我能感觉出来，对吧？

And I could tell, right?

他是怕惹麻烦。

He didn't want to get in trouble.

但任何情况下都可能有人在撒谎。

Didn't want But anything to this can also happen where someone is lying.

你能察觉到不对劲，是因为对方的神情明显不像是在说真话。

And you can tell something is fishy because you can tell from their demeanor that they don't seem like they are being truthful.

没错。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

好了，再举个例子。

Alright, here's another example.

酒店一直给我报不同的价格。

The hotel keeps quoting me a different price.

价格不该这样反复变来变去。

The price shouldn't keep changing like that.

这里面有猫腻。

Something's fishy.

或者吧。

Or Yeah.

我来解释一下原因。

Here's why.

没错。

Exactly.

他说他生病了。

How about he said he was sick.

对，但他后来发了在海滩上的照片。

Yeah, but then he posted photos at the beach.

哦，这事儿有点可疑。

Oh, seems fishy.

我们都遇到过这种情况，有人借口生病请假，其实是去度假，后来出了岔子，或者你发现人家根本就是去度假了。

We've all been there where someone calls out sick because they're going on a vacation and then something happens or you realize that actually they were going on vacation.

挺过分的，但确实常有。

Mean, it happens.

明白了。

Cool.

有了社交媒体，想蒙混过关就难多了。

With social media it's harder to get away with it.

你总不能一边请假一边在社交媒体上发帖吧。

Like you can't be posting on social media.

是啊，确实得注意。

Yeah, you gotta, yeah.

哦，这可不是什么好主意。

Oh, that's not a good idea.

这真有意思。

That's really funny.

好了，咱们来聊聊土气吧。

So, okay, let's get into cheesy.

土气呢，大概就是你太用力去表现幽默或者浪漫，我觉得我们以前在节目里聊过一点，但说白了就是这么回事。

So cheesy is basically your, I think we've talked about this a little bit on the show before, but it's basically trying too hard to be funny or romantic.

其实这个词挺难准确定义的。

But it's really hard to define this word actually.

确实有点难说清楚。

It is tricky.

这其中的分寸很微妙。

And there's a fine line.

在好笑和土气之间只有一线之隔，而且不同人对它的理解也不一样。

A fine line between a joke that's just funny and one that you would call cheesy and there are different definitions.

我之前讲的那个稻草人笑话，有些人会觉得特别棒。

The joke I told about the scarecrow, some people would just be like, that's a great joke.

但其他人会觉得，这太俗气了。

And other people would be like, that's really cheesy.

所以这也挺主观的。

So that's kind of a matter of opinion as well.

没错。

Right.

可能有点尴尬或者老套。

So it might be a little embarrassing or cliche.

但听起来又挺轻松的。

And it sounds light hearted.

所以不至于太冒犯。

So it's not overly offensive.

我想，如果你说别人说的话很俗气，或者直接说他们本人很俗，也有人会不高兴。

I guess somebody could get offended if you say that something they said is cheesy or that they are

尤其是当人家认真地表达爱意，你却说这太俗气的时候。

Or especially if they try to make a romantic gesture and you accuse it of being cheesy.

或者人家给你写了一张暖心的便条，你却说这太俗气了。

Or they write you like a sweet note and you call it cheesy.

如果我真心实意地做一件浪漫的事，结果被人说俗气，我肯定会特别受伤。

I feel like that would be devastating to me if I tried to do something heartfelt and romantic and someone called it cheesy, I would be devastated.

因为你是在敞开心扉。

Because you're being vulnerable.

你把自己完全展现出来，也许确实有点俗，但你愿意为了表达在乎而接受这份俗气。

You're putting yourself out there and maybe it is a little cheesy but you're being willing to be vulnerable and a little cheesy to show you care for someone.

所以如果有人为我这么做，我绝不会说‘这有点俗’。

So I would never, like if someone did that for me, I would never be like, this is a little cheesy.

我觉得这样说太伤人了。

I think that's so mean.

如果人家真心想表达浪漫，你却说俗气，这确实会让人很难过。

Yeah, that would definitely hurt someone's feelings if they're trying to do something like genuine, romantic and you say cheesy.

不过我们平时经常用这个词来形容笑话，还有电影，比如浪漫喜剧，有些片子确实会有点俗，看具体是哪一部。

So but this is often used to describe jokes, like we said, movies, like I'm like a romantic comedy would be, you know, might have might be a little bit cheesy depending on which one it is.

搭讪的话、广告标语，你想想那些制药公司的广告，人人都在跳舞唱歌，你简直要崩溃了。

Pickup lines, marketing slogans, you know, I I'm thinking of, you know, when they have commercials for pharmaceutical drugs, like, and that everyone's dancing and singing and you're just like, oh my gosh.

没错。

Right.

这有点太俗气了。

This is a little cheesy.

我觉得百老汇音乐剧就挺俗气的。

I would say that Broadway musicals are cheesy.

但我特别喜欢。

I love them.

我真的超爱。

I love them.

我和杰西卡聊过这个话题。

But I've had this conversation with Jessica.

她对音乐剧简直着迷。

Musicals, She all musicals.

她不愿意看。

She won't watch them.

她觉得那些太俗气了。

She thinks they're so cheesy.

我明白。

I get it.

我知道它们确实挺俗的。

I get that they're cheesy.

我并不反对。

I don't disagree.

但我还是喜欢。

I love them anyway.

有时候我就特别喜欢这种俗气的东西。

Sometimes I really like things that are cheesy.

米歇尔，你喜欢音乐剧吗？

Do you like musicals, Michelle?

是啊。

Well, yeah.

对啊。

Oh, yeah.

我是说，我来这么说吧。

I mean, well, so I'll say this.

我确实喜欢音乐剧。

I I do love musicals.

这得看是哪一部音乐剧。

It depends on the musical.

有些对我来说太俗了，但丹觉得几乎所有的音乐剧都挺俗的，我也能理解，确实不太看得下去。

Some are too cheesy for me, but Dan is of the opinion that they're pretty much all cheesy and yeah, I can't really watch I get it.

我不是说它们

I'm not saying they're

不俗。

not cheesy.