AEE 2672：寻找聊天话题？这款科技工具就是你的不二之选

这里是《全耳英语》播客，第2672期。

This is an All Ears English Podcast episode twenty six seventy two.

想找个聊天话题吗？

Looking for a conversation topic?

不用再找了，看看这个科技工具吧。

Look no further than this tech tool.

欢迎收听《全耳英语》播客，下载量已超过两亿次。

Welcome to the All Ears English Podcast downloaded more than 200,000,000 times.

你是不是觉得英语学习卡住了？

Are you feeling stuck with your English?

我们会教你如何变得无所畏惧、流利自如，重点放在交流而不是完美上。

We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection.

由你的美国主持人林赛·麦克马洪，英语冒险家，和米歇尔·卡普兰，纽约电台女孩，从美国科罗拉多和纽约市为你带来。

With your American hosts, Lindsay McMahon, the English adventurer, and Michelle Kaplan, the New York radio girl, coming to you from Colorado and New York City, USA.

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你是不是在和母语者聊天时，因为不知道聊什么话题而卡壳？

Do you find yourself a blank in conversations with native speakers because you don't know what topics to bring up?

今天，我们来聊聊怎么用AI这个热门话题开启对话，并且让对话继续下去。

Today, find out how to use the trendy topic of AI to start the conversation and keep it going.

听懂英语和参与英语对话，这两者之间差别很大。

There's a big difference between understanding English and participating in English.

听懂意味着你能跟上对话。

Understanding means you follow the conversation.

而参与对话，就是你要加入自己的想法，自然地回应，让对话继续下去。

You participate by adding your ideas, reacting naturally, and keeping the conversation moving.

很多英语学习者听力很好，但开口说的时候却犹豫不决。

Many English learners are strong listeners, but hesitant speakers.

一旦你知道了自己目前的英语水平，缩小这个差距就容易多了。

Once you know your current fluency level, it becomes much easier to close that gap.

来做个免费的2分钟小测验，看看你的水平，以及接下来该重点学什么。

Take our free two minute quiz to discover your level and what to focus on next.

请访问 allersenglish.com/fluencyscore。

Go to allersenglish.com/fluencyscore.

就是 allersenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allersenglish.comfluencyscore.

嘿，米歇尔。

Hey, Michelle.

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

我们今天周一录制。

We're recording today on a Monday.

所以，周一快乐。

So happy Monday.

你呢？

Are you?

周一快乐。

Happy Monday.

我挺好的。

I'm good.

你呢？

How are you?

感觉棒极了。

Feeling great.

感觉棒极了。

Feeling great.

米歇尔，你是ChatGPT的用户吗？

Michelle, are you a ChadGBT user?

我是。

I am.

对。

Yeah.

你呢？

What about you?

对。

Yeah.

我确实有时候会用它来头脑风暴、想点子，还有很多别的事情。

I use it sometimes for sure for brainstorming things, coming up with ideas, lots of things.

明白。

Mhmm.

对。

Yeah.

我记得它刚出来的时候，我老是说，我不懂，我真的不懂。

I remember in the beginning when it first came out, I just kept on saying, like, I don't I don't get it.

我总有这种感觉。

I always have that.

你知道吗？

You know?

我觉得每个人面对新技术的时候都会有那么一刻。

I think everybody has that moment with some sort of new technology.

对，是的。

Like Yeah.

我不明白这怎么会帮到我。

I don't get why this would help me.

因为记得一开始，丹就只是跟朋友们用它编一些搞笑的故事。

Because I remember in the beginning, Dan would just use it with his friends to make up funny stories.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

然后他就会说，哦，编一个，然后他会让它讲一部分故事，然后发给朋友们，他们再接着编下一部分。

And he would just say, oh, make up a and, like, he would make a he would have it tell a part of the story and then send it to his friends, and then they would do the next one.

你知道，那只是为了好玩。

And, you know, it was just, you know, just for funny things.

但是，是的。

But Yeah.

不过一开始，我就觉得，好吧。

Though in the beginning, I just I was like, alright.

随便吧。

Whatever.

那是他的爱好。

That's his thing.

我其实没什么用，但，对，我之前没搞懂。

I don't I don't really have a use But, for yeah, I didn't get it.

但后来随着时间推移，我听到别人怎么用它，我就越来越喜欢让它帮我处理生活中的某些方面。

But as time moved on, I would hear how other people were using it, and I got more way more into having it help me in certain areas of my life.

这让我想起你之前说你没搞懂的那个评论。

It it reminds me of your comment why you said that you didn't get it.

你知道那个著名的片段吗？好像是《今日秀》里的。

Do you you know that famous clip from I think it's the Today Show.

我记得是凯蒂·库里克，她说，嗯。

I think it was Katie Couric who's like Mhmm.

你听说过这个新东西吗，互联网？

Have you heard of this new thing, the Internet?

互联网。

The Internet.

是的。

Yes.

她是在说电子邮件还是什么？我不太确定是哪个，不过……

Was she talking about email or the I don't know which one it was, but

那是个很经典的片段，就像……

it's it's a famous clip, and it's just like

对。

Yeah.

不。

No.

我知道你说的是什么。

I know what you're talking about.

嗯，挺有意思的。

I well, it's funny.

我的意思是，我可能之前说过这个，但我记得我爸跟我讲电子邮件的时候。

I I I mean, we I probably shared this before, but I remember when my dad told me about email.

然后，对。

And Yeah.

我记得我当时想，什么？

I remember thinking, what?

你知道吗，就是它会弹出来，然后，好吧，谁在乎呢？

You know, it's just gonna pop up and, okay, who cares?

你知道吗？

You know?

有趣的是，一开始你的想法就是，我觉得很多科技领域都是这样。

It's funny how it at first, your mind is just I think so many different areas of technology.

什么？

What?

我为什么要那个？

Why I need that?

我知道，我们离不开它。

I know we have to We can't live without it.

然后你的大脑就会适应它，对吧？

And then your brain just shapes around it, right?

适应这个新事物。

Around this new thing.

而且可以肯定，AI也会是这样的。

And guaranteed, that's what's gonna happen with AI.

不过，我觉得这次人们对AI的兴奋感，在直觉层面上没那么强烈了。

Although, I think this time around, people are not quite as excited on, like, a visceral level about AI.

是的，有恐惧，也有点像，好吧。

There's yeah.

更多的是恐惧，还有那种，好吧的感觉。

It's fear and also just kinda like, okay.

更多时间上网。

More time online.

我觉得互联网时代，大家真的很兴奋，你知道的，像那个.com泡沫什么的。

I think with the Internet, people were really, you know, like the .com boom and all.

人们都惊叹，哇。

People are like, wow.

我可以在网上订杂货了。

I could order groceries online.

这太神奇了。

This is amazing.

我觉得现在对于AI，如果人们说，我可以让冰箱里发出声音来。

I think now with AI, if people are like, I can have a voice coming out of my refrigerator.

我不确定人们是否还像对其他科技进步那样对AI着迷。

I don't know if people are quite as, like, enchanted by AI the way they were about other advances.

你懂吗？

You know?

对。

Yeah.

我不知道。

I don't know.

也许我该说说自己的看法。

Maybe I'll speak for myself.

我

I

不，不是。

don't No.

我的意思是，我觉得这要看是哪种AI。

I mean, I guess it depends which kind of AI.

对。

Yeah.

当然。

Certainly.

是的。

Yeah.

声音从你的冰箱里传出来。

Voice coming out of your refrigerator.

这其实没什么好兴奋的，你知道吗？

That does that's not that exciting, you know?

确实有，我是说，我们，嗯，这就是我们今天要聊的话题。

There are definitely, I mean, we're, well, this is what we're gonna talk about today.

我真正不喜欢的一点是，我不希望它，我担心它会取代创造力。

I mean, the one thing that I really don't like, it, I don't want it to, I'm I'm worried that it will take over creativity.

对。

And Yeah.

当然。

Sure.

我不想失去那种创造力。

I don't wanna lose that creative muscle.

所以有时候我会说，我不想用那种聊天式的PT。

So sometimes I'll say, like, I don't wanna do chatty PT.

其实，前几天我参加一个活动，有人演讲时说，哦，我要感谢一个人，还有ChattyPT帮我写了这篇演讲稿。

Actually, I was at something the other day and somebody was making a speech and they said, oh, and I wanna thank a person and ChattyPT for helping me write this speech.

对。

Yeah.

然后呢。

And Yeah.

大家都笑了，但我不喜欢这样。

I and everybody just was laughing because it but I I don't like it in that way.

我不喜欢我们明明可以用自己的脑子想东西，现在却完全依赖它。

I don't like it to be where we could think of something with our brains, and now we're just relying on it.

所以，这挺有意思的。

And, you know, so it's interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

完全同意。

A 100%.

所以在今天的节目里，我们会给你们演示一下，在练习英语的时候，可以怎么跟母语者或者朋友一起做这个练习。

So in today's episode, we are going to model for you what you guys could do with a native speaker or a friend as you're practicing your English.

聊聊你是怎么用ChatGPT或者一般的人工智能的。

Talk about the ways that you use ChatGPT or just AI in general.

这是一项很重要的技能，因为全世界的人都在尝试。

This is a huge skill to be able to do because everyone in the world is experimenting.

不是所有人，但大多数人。

Most not everyone in the world.

很多人开始尝试用人工智能，所以这是一个经常会被提起的交流话题。

Many people in the world are starting to experiment with AI And so it's a connection skill that's going to come up often.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Absolutely.

确实。

Definitely.

而且有时候你可能会分享一个对你有帮助的方法，你觉得可能对别人也有好处。

And also sometimes you might share a way that it helps you that you think it might be beneficial for someone else.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以，你知道，我们一会儿会详细讨论这个，但我们要感谢Spotify上的Luis Soriano。

So I you know, we're gonna talk more about this in just a second, but we wanna say thank you to Luis Soriano on Spotify.

没错，

Right,

Lindsay？

Lindsay?

是的。

Yeah.

我们刚读到了Luis写的一条很棒的评论。

We just read a really nice review from Luis.

非常感谢你，Luis。

Thank you so much, Luis.

我们很感激你的评论和评价。

We appreciate your comment, your review.

大家去任何可以给我们播客评分或评论的地方，无论是Apple、Spotify还是YouTube，给我们留言吧。

Guys, go to wherever ever you can rate or review our podcast, whether that's Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, and leave us a comment.

给我们打个分、留个评论，让我们知道你对节目的看法。

Leave us a rating and a review so we know what you think of the show.

对吧？

Alright?

没错。

Exactly.

是的。

Yes.

太好了。

Great.

那我们开始吧。

So let's get into it.

我们要分享怎么开启这些讨论。

So we're gonna share how how to start these discussions.

对。

Yeah.

好。

K.

首先，你知道吗，你可以用它，不管是AI，还是ChatGPT，或者你用的其他工具。

So the first thing is, did you know you can use it, right, whether it's AI, whether it's ChatGPT ChatGPT, whatever you use.

对。

Yeah.

明白。

Mhmm.

到X。

To x.

比如说，你知道可以用ChatGPT来查食物的宏量营养素吗？

So for example, did you know you can use ChatGPT to get your macros on food?

这对我的饮食和锻炼计划特别有用。

It's been so useful for my diet and exercise plan.

宏量营养素到底是什么？

What is macros anyways?

我其实一直不太明白这个词是什么意思。

I don't even I know think what it's that never known what that means.

我以为你知道呢。

I said it thinking you knew.

哎呀，不是吧。

Oh no.

米歇尔，我希望你知道。

Michelle, I hope you know.

我想想，宏量营养素是什么来着，等一下，让我看看。

I think of macros, hold on, let's see.

宏量营养素，对。

Macronutrients, yes.

就是三大主要营养素。

Of the three main nutrients.

好。

Okay.

我在读AI给我的答案。

I'm reading from AI.

谢谢AI。

Thank you, AI.

谢谢AI。

Thank you, AI.

需要大量摄入的，就是碳水化合物、蛋白质和脂肪。

Required in large amounts, the carbs, the proteins, and fats.

所以很多时候人们会记录他们的宏量营养素。

So and a lot of times people will track their macros.

你会经常听到这个说法。

You'll hear that a lot.

你知道吗？

You know?

他们记录自己吃了什么，或者可能多吃些什么。

They're tracking their macros about what they've been eating or what they might eat more of.

这是一个

It's a

非常专业的术语。

very technical term.

而且你知道吗，如果你在节目中不知道答案，你可以用AI来救场？

And did you know you can use AI to rescue yourself in an episode if you don't know the answer?

没错。

Exactly.

我确实知道这个。

I did know that.

是的。

Yeah.

不过确实。

But yeah.

就是，你知道，你可以直接把它用起来，这是人们使用它的一种方式。

It it's it you know, you could just put in that's one way people use it.

他们可能会把它当作美食博客来用。

They might use it as a food blog.

对。

Mhmm.

对。

Mhmm.

当然。

For sure.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我太喜欢这个了。

I love that.

对。

Yeah.

或者你可以说，我最近开始用ChatGPT来做某件事。

Or you could say I've recently started using ChatGPT for X.

所以我最近开始用ChatGPT给我班上的艺术项目出主意。

So I've recently started using ChatGPT to give me art project ideas for my class.

它真的很有用。

It's so useful.

我觉得它在生成创意方面特别棒。

I think it is really good for generating ideas.

对吧？

Right?

那确实很适合这个。

That is really good for that.

头脑风暴。

Brainstorming.

我是说，尤其是对老师来说。

I mean, especially for a teacher.

我是说，有时候，你知道，你只是需要想的事情和发挥创意的事情太多了。

I mean, sometimes, you know, you just the amount of things you're required to think of and be creative.

对。

Yeah.

再说，你也不想让它完全取代那种创造力。

Again, you don't want it to completely take over that creative muscle.

我觉得这就是担心的地方。

That's the fear, I think.

但有时候它确实能帮你分担那些重活。

But sometimes you just it can help you with that heavy lifting.

重活。

Heavy lifting.

对。

Mhmm.

他们能感受到那种空白页，就是我们说的，页面上的空白处。

They can feel the blank page, as we say, the what the blank space on the page.

对吧？

Right?

当你想创造新东西的时候，那真的让人很紧张。

That's really intimidating when you're trying to create something new.

所以它能帮你避免那种情况，然后你就能在此基础上继续工作。

So it can it can avoid help you avoid that, and then you work off of that.

这里还有另一个表达，大家可能在对话中会用到。

Another construction here, guys, you might use in a conversation.

我最喜欢用ChatGibiT做的事情就是两倍x。

My favorite thing to use ChatGibiT for is two x.

两倍

Two

x。

x.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

比如，我最喜欢用ChaChaPeet来获取晚餐食谱。

So for example, my favorite thing to use ChaChaPeet for is to get recipes for dinner.

我只要告诉它我家里有什么，它就能给我好多好主意。

I just tell it what I have in my house, and it can give me so many good ideas.

我觉得挺酷的。

And I would say pretty cool.

对我来说，这绝对是我用得最多的功能。

For me, that's like the number one thing I use it for.

那挺酷的。

That's pretty cool.

因为这样你就不用去买所有的新食材了。

That because then you don't have to go shopping for all new ingredients.

你只需要用现有的东西做点什么。

You just make something from what you have.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

或者我会说，是的，你知道，比如，我会说，我没有这个。

Or I'll say, yeah, you know, like, I I or I'll say, I don't have this.

我能不能用这个来代替它？

Could I substitute it with this?

或者，好的。

Or Okay.

你知道，有时候我特别想吃某种东西，我就会说，我没有这个，但你能给我个主意，怎么满足我想吃的那个东西吗？

You know, or there have been certain things times when I really was craving a certain food, and I say, I don't have this, but is there something that an idea you can give me of how I can satisfy whatever food I'm craving?

你

You

知道吗？

know?

有意思。

Interesting.

有意思。

Interesting.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

我的意思是，在2022年之前，在ChatGPT出现之前，我们只能去谷歌上找答案，但那样会花更长的时间。

I mean, it would it I guess in the old days before 2022, before we got ChatGPT, we we just went to Google and tried to figure this out, but it it would take a lot longer.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

一开始我还不明白。

And at first, didn't understand.

我说，这跟用谷歌搜索有什么不同呢？

I said, well, how was it different than just Googling?

但确实。

But Right.

嗯。

Mhmm.

它把所有东西都集中在一个地方给你。

It's it's giving you everything in one place.

你不用到处去不同的网站搜。

You don't have to search around different sites.

我是说

I mean

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

就这方面来说，它真的很棒。

For that stuff, it's great.

对。

Yeah.

或者说，你可以说ChatGPT帮了我。

Or you could say ChatGPT helps me.

对吧？

Right?

比如说，ChatGPT帮我找房子的设计灵感。

So for example, ChatGPT helps me get design ideas for my house.

我可以发一张照片过去，它会回复很多想法。

I can send in a picture, and it will respond with lots of ideas.

嗯。

And Mhmm.

对。

Yeah.

我会这么做的。

That I will do.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

是的。

Yeah.

确实很好。

Really good.

我是说，是的，我觉得这挺有意思的。

I mean, yeah, I'm that's interesting.

我在家其实不太做饭，但如果是我做饭的话，我肯定会用ChatGPT，就告诉它我有什么食材，然后问它能做什么菜。

I'm not really the cook in my house, but if I were the cook in my house, I would totally use Chagibi Tea for just saying what I have and what can I make from this?

我觉得这太聪明了。

I think that's so smart.

对。

Yeah.

哦，这个想法是因为我看到别人用类似的方法做出了很好吃的东西。

Oh, the and so and I got that idea because somebody else was made something that was really delicious.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这大概是一年多以前的事了。

I mean, this was probably over a year ago.

对吧？

Right?

然后她告诉我，他们一直用ChatGPT来做这个。

And then told me, oh, that they that they use Chateappity all the time for this.

所以我的灵感就是从那来的。

And so that's where I got the idea.

所以我想说的是，这能带来那种联系。

So that's what I'm saying is that it can lead to that connection.

有人给你一个想法，然后你可以分享给别人去实现。

Somebody can give you an idea, then you can share it with someone else to do.

明白。

Mhmm.

明白。

Mhmm.

我很喜欢这个。

I love that.

你会用它来做这些类型的事情，或者有什么特别的用途吗？

Do you use it for any of these types of things or anything in particular?

我觉得我更多是用在工作上，为了我的生意，为了我们Dollars English这里的业务，用来头脑风暴想点子。

I would say I use it more for work, for my business, for our business here at Dollars English, for brainstorming ideas.

对。

Yeah.

甚至一些市场调研，比如竞品研究，你都可以查得到。

Even some market research, like competitor research you can pull up.

或者如果我在找新的标志或图片，我可以为它们生成一些想法或粗略的草图。

Or if I'm looking for new logos or images, I can generate ideas or rough sketches for them.

是的。

Yes.

然后我可能会把这些交给设计师，说，你看，我们能不能做类似这样的东西？

That I might then hand to a designer and say, you know, can can we do something like this?

对吧？

Right?

所以你不用从零开始。

So you're not starting from scratch.

这就是我最近一周左右一直在用的方式。

That's what I've been using it for in the last week or so.

对。

Yeah.

所以它是无限的。

So there's it's unlimited.

太不可思议了，Michelle。

It's incredible, Michelle.

确实如此。

It really is.

但是，当然，也有可怕的一面。

I've but, of course, there's a scary side too.

是的。

Yes.

但今天，我们主要聊的是好处。

But today, we're kinda talking about the the benefits.

对。

Yes.

所以休息之后，我们会再详细聊聊这个话题。

So we're gonna talk a little bit more about this after the break.

好的。

Cool.

流利不是说要说得很完美。

Fluency is not about speaking perfectly.

而是能舒服地交流。

It's about communicating comfortably.

能毫无压力地分享你的想法。

Being able to share your ideas without stress.

在对话中自然地回应。

React naturally in conversations.

并且用英语表达你的个性。

And express your personality in English.

如果英语仍然让你觉得需要小心翼翼地去应付，那你很可能离流利的下一阶段非常近了。

If English still feels like something you have to manage carefully, you're probably very close to the next level of fluency.

但一旦你清楚自己的水平，进步就会快得多。

But progress becomes much faster once you know exactly where you stand.

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访问 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

Go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

就是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

好的，Michelle。

Alright, Michelle.

那我们之后可以再聊一聊AI，以及一些确实让我们担心的事情。

So we can do a follow-up later talking about AI and some of the things that do worry us.

我们可以教你们怎么把这些句子组合起来，对吧。

We can show you new constructions of how to put those sentences together, guys Yeah.

用非常高级的，你知道，C1级别的表达方式。

In a very sophisticated, you know, c one level way.

但今天，我们可以问别人哪些问题呢，Michelle？

But for today, what are some questions we could ask people, Michelle?

对，我是说，最基本的问题就是。

Yeah, I mean, there's the basic.

我的意思是，你用ChatGPT吗？

I mean, do you use ChatGPT?

是的，是的。

Yes, yes.

你用ChatGPT做过最有用的事情是什么？

What is the most useful thing you've done with ChatGPT?

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

我们确实得通过问别人来想出我们自己的用法。

That's really how we have to come up with our own uses by asking people.

因为人们一旦……我去用ChatGPT的时候，我有点像是在用它做梦，因为我有一个梦想，有一天去印度，但我可能得工作。

Because people are once I went to ChatGPT and I was I was sort I was sort of using it to kinda dream because I have a dream of one day going to India, but but I would have to work probably.

所以就是类似北印度的冥想静修加远程工作的那种，我可以去咖啡馆用笔记本电脑工作，但也有几周时间在冥想。

Taking so doing like a Northern India meditation retreat slash work remote thing where I could access cafes and work with my laptop, but also have weeks where I'm in meditation.

所以我让ChatGPT帮我规划了整条路线，让我真的能实现这个梦想，你懂吗？

So I had Chad JBT plan me this whole route where I It's could actually do like to dream, you know?

对，我之前没想到还能这样。

Yeah, I didn't think of it in that way.

看，现在我也能这么做了。

See, now I can do that too.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

而且，你知道，有一些词可以用来讨论它。

And then, you know, there are words that you might use to discuss it.

比如，有帮助的、有益的、有价值的。

You know, helpful, beneficial, valuable.

这些词，对，就是有用的。

Are, you know, these words that, yeah, useful.

所以这些都能派上用场。

So these can all these can all be helpful.

对。

Yeah.

我喜欢那个梦想计划，Lindsay。

I like that dream idea, Lindsay.

真有意思。

That's fun.

对。

Yeah.