AEE 2677：对话辅导第二部分：让对话持续进行

这里是《全耳英语》播客，第2677集，对话技巧第二部分。

This is an All Ears English podcast episode twenty six seventy seven, conversation coaching part two.

让对话继续下去。

Keep the conversation going.

欢迎收听《全耳英语》播客，下载量已超过两亿次。

Welcome to the All Ears English podcast downloaded more than 200,000,000 times.

你是否觉得英语学习遇到了瓶颈？

Are you feeling stuck with your English?

我们将教你如何变得无所畏惧、流利自如，专注于交流，而不是追求完美。

We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection.

由美国主持人米歇尔·卡普兰（纽约电台女孩）和奥布里·卡特（雅思高手）为您呈现，她们来自美国亚利桑那州和纽约市。

With your American host, Michelle Kaplan, the New York radio girl, and Aubrey Carter, the IELTS whiz, coming to you from Arizona and New York City, USA.

你是否曾经努力让对话继续下去？

Do you ever struggle to keep a conversation going?

听完今天的技巧和短语，你再也不会有这个问题了。

After today's tips and phrases, you'll never again have this problem.

快来听听，掌握这些要点，你就能成为出色的聊天高手。

Listen in for everything you need to know to be an excellent conversationalist.

你是不是学英语好多年了，但还是觉得自己卡在初级和中级之间？

Have you studied English for years, but still feel like you're stuck between beginner and intermediate?

你不需要从头再来，也不需要更多零散的课程。

You don't need to start over and you don't need more random lessons.

B1英语流利课程会给你一条清晰的路径，把语法、词汇、听力和口语整合起来。

B1 English Fluency gives you a clear path to put your grammar, vocabulary, listening, and speaking together.

另外，你还会被邀请参加我们每周两次的开放对话俱乐部，进行即兴口语练习和社区建设。

Plus, you'll be invited to our twice weekly open conversation club for spontaneous speaking practice and community building.

现在，购买B1课程可以享受最高100美元的折扣，但优惠到周日午夜就结束了。

Right now, you can save up to a $100 off the normal price of B1, but the offer ends Sunday at midnight.

别再纠结接下来该学什么了。

Stop wondering what to study next.

访问 allearsenglish.com/bone 吧。

Go to allearsenglish.com/bone.

再说一遍，网址是 allearsenglish.com/letterbnumberone。

One more time, that's allearsenglish.com/letterbnumberone.

嘿，奥布里。

Hey, Aubrey.

你今天怎么样？

How are you today?

我很好，米歇尔。

I'm great, Michelle.

你过得怎么样？

How are you doing?

我过得非常好。

I'm doing really well.

今天能和你一起录制，我很兴奋。

I am excited to be recording with you today.

所以，是的，各位，我们都经历过这种情况。

So, yeah, guys, we have all been there.

你在说话，然后我们的话题差不多聊完了，你就能感觉到，对吧，Aubrey，对话开始变得有点冷场了。

You are talking, and then our topic kinda runs its course, and you just, right, Aubrey, can't you feel that the conversation starts lagging?

话题快聊不下去了。

It's dying out.

就是你能感觉到气氛不太对了。

It just you can tell that something's not going really well anymore.

可能还会出现尴尬的沉默。

Maybe there's an awkward silence.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

我们谁都不想要那种尴尬的沉默，尤其是在美国。

None of us, especially in The States in America, no We one wants an awkward are

那种感觉让人很不舒服。

not comfortable for that.

我们需要知道怎么避免这种情况。

We need to know how to avoid that.

对吧？

Right?

今天你要学到的一个关键点，最好的方法之一就是提问。

And one of the things that you are going to learn about today, one of the best ways to do this is to ask questions.

所以今天你会学到一些策略和表达，帮你让对话继续下去，避免那些尴尬的停顿和失礼的瞬间。

So today you are going to learn strategies and phrases that will help you keep the conversation going to avoid these conversation faux pas, those awkward pauses.

我们非常高兴今天能和你分享这些内容。

We are so excited to share this with you today.

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Alright.

那我们就开始听这期节目吧。

So let's hear the episode.

嘿，奥布里。

Hey there Aubrey.

你今天有什么安排？

What have you got going on today?

我要带我女儿去参加招聘会。

I am taking my daughter to a job fair.

这是她第一次参加现场面试。

It's her first in person interview.

她才16岁。

She's only 16.

希望一切顺利。

I hope it goes well.

她非常紧张。

She's very nervous.

你呢？

What about you?

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

祝她好运。

Good luck.

我们都支持她。

We're all pulling for her.

我很喜欢这样。

I love that.

对，是的。

Well, yeah.

今天傍晚，我打算去植物园参加一个什么晚间散步活动，就在我家对面的公园那边。

Today tonight, I'm going over to the Botanical Gardens for a I don't know, an evening walk event or something across the park from my house.

这很有文化气息。

That's Very cultur y.

不错。

Nice.

我很喜欢这个。

I love that.

对，你注意到我问了Lindsay，你呢？

Well, you notice I asked Lindsay, what about you?

这是个很有意思的追问，对吧？

Which is an interesting follow-up, right?

如果他们问了你一个有趣的问题，而你也想知道他们的回答，你可以说，你呢？

If they've asked you an interesting question and you want to know their answer as well, you can say, what about you?

我们收到了一位听众提出的关于“你呢”和“你怎么样”的好问题，我今天很期待来回答。

We got a great question from a listener about what about you versus how about you that I'm excited to answer today.

而且我

And I

觉得这可能是我们关于人际连接最重要的20期节目之一，Aubrey，因为你要确保把话题抛回给别人，问他们类似的问题，不一定是完全相同的问题，但至少是相近的问题。

think this possibly could be one of our top 20 most important episodes for connection, Aubrey, Because you wanna make sure you're flipping things back to other people, and asking them kind of the maybe not always the same question, but a similar question.

你不是在变成我们商务英语课程里说的那种……

You're not being a what do we call in the business English course?

我们最喜欢的怪物是什么？

What's our favorite monster.

对。

Yeah.

所以别做那种怪物。

So don't be a monster.

不要只顾着聊自己，反复回答问题，你要……

Don't wanna just talk about yourself, answer questions over and over you want to.

是的。

Yes.

把它变成一场对话。

Make it a conversation.

让它有来有回。

Make it a back and forth.

对。

Yeah.

确实是这样。

It's true.

现在，来参加我们开放对话俱乐部或流利派对的听众们也都知道“我怪兽”这个词，因为我们在小组讨论和分组讨论室里都谈到过，把话题引回别人身上有多重要。

And now our listeners who come to open conversation club or fluency party also know the term me monster because we talk about it in our small groups and our breakout rooms how important it is to bring the conversation back to someone else.

这对我们的学生来说会是个很好的工具，对吧，那些来参加……嗯。

And this would be a great tool for our students, right, who come to Mhmm.

开放

Open

是的。

Yes.

我们希望大家去下载我们的应用，访问allersenglish.com/app。

We wanna make sure that you guys get the app, go to allersenglish.com/app.

这是收听播客的最佳方式。

It is the best way to listen to the podcast.

这也是在节目存档中查找往期节目的最佳方式。

It's also the best way to find episodes in our archive.

在播客播放器里往回翻可能要翻很久，但如果你想找习语、特定词汇或俚语，你可以在应用里搜索，找到更早的节目。

Might take you forever to scroll back wherever, you know, in your podcast player, but if you're looking for idioms, specific vocabulary slang, you can search it on the app to find older episodes.

对

A

完全正确。

100%.

任何关键词，任何特定的词，只要在节目标题里出现，都应该能搜到。

Any keyword, any particular word, it should come up for the words that are in the title of the episode.

而且它是移动端的。

And it's mobile.

这是个手机应用，所以你不用专门坐到电脑前，在网站上翻来翻去。

It's a mobile app, so you don't have to go and sit down at a laptop and comb through a our website.

你直接打开手机应用就行，而且这个应用是免费下载的。

You can just go to the mobile app, and the mobile app is free to download.

对吧？

Right?

如果你想成为高级会员，还能享受其他很棒的好处，但也可以免费下载，然后在那里收听。

If you wanna become a premium member, you get other cool benefits, but you can also just download it for free and listen there.

好吗？

Okay?

是的。

Yes.

如果你想了解那些其他好处，我们有七天免费试用。

And if you wanna check out those other benefits, we have a seven day free trial.

你可以用这个应用收听节目，或者看带文字稿的节目。

You can listen to the app or the episodes with the transcripts.

你可以跟着读，然后保存关键词。

You can follow along and then save keywords.

我们还有很棒的对话练习，用到了整周所有节目里的重要关键词。

And we also have these awesome role plays, which use important keywords from all of the episodes throughout the week.

那些真的很棒。

Those are amazing.

是的。

Yes.

这个功能只对App上的高级会员开放。

Only available on the app for premium users.

所以大家去allersenglish.com/app看看吧。

So guys, go over to allersenglish.com/app.

好的。

Okay.

我们收到了一个来自YouTube听众的问题。

So we've got a question from a YouTube listener.

最近我们从YouTube收到了很多问题，Aubrey。

We're getting a lot of questions lately from YouTube, Aubrey.

我很喜欢这样。

I love that.

是的。

Yes.

而且这个是用中文字符写的。

And this one was written in Chinese characters.

我把它放进谷歌翻译，谷歌翻译说这些字符应该是Shuya。

I put it in Google translate and Google translate said the characters are would be Shuya.

好的。

Okay.

然后后面是R4Z。

And then it was R4Z after.

我希望你不在那里，希望那是对的。

I hope you're out I there hope that's correct.

我当时想，哦，我想知道谷歌翻译会怎么翻译这些字符。

I was like, oh, I wonder what Google Translate would give me for these characters.

喜欢这个。

Love that.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

对。

Yeah.

我们应该更常这样做，确保我们尽量说出听众的名字。

We should try to do that more often so we make sure that we try to say the names of our listeners.

我喜欢这个。

I love it.

太好了。

So good.

好了。

Alright.

那么，Aubrey，你想读一下这个问题吗？

So, Aubrey, do you wanna read the question?

当然。

Sure.

那么，哦，然后Sofia是那个名字。

So, oh, and then Sofia is the the name.

这跟那个挺像的，所以我在想中文里是不是叫舒雅。

That's similar So to I wonder if it's Shuya in Chinese

我觉得有道理。

Makes sense to me.

对。

Yeah.

得看看。

Have to see.

也许这位听众会写信告诉我们，如果……

Maybe this listener will write to us and let us know if

我们不知道，但想知道。

I we don't know, wanna know.

一定要告诉我们。

Let us know for sure.

谷歌翻译到底有多准？

How correct is Google Translate?

我也想知道。

I would like to know.

它说的是，嗨，Lindsey和Aubrey。

So it said, Hi, Lindsey and Aubrey.

我是Sofia，All Ears English是我最喜欢的播客。

I'm Sofia and All Ears English is my favorite podcast.

我很喜欢这个。

I love that.

谢谢

Thank

你这么说。

you for that.

太喜欢了。

Love it.

我有一个关于“what about you”和“how about you”区别的快速问题。

I have a quick question about the difference between what about you and how about you.

我明白这两个都可以用来询问别人的意见或情况，但在使用时有没有细微的区别呢？

I understand both are used to ask about someone's opinion or situation, but is there a subtle difference in when to use each?

非常感谢你的帮助。

Thanks so much for your help.

谢谢你写信来，索菲亚。

Thank you for writing in, Sofia.

这个问题问得很好。

This is a great question.

对。

Yeah.

这个问题其实又跟人际连接有关。

It's a question that's really, again, based in connection.

所以我很兴奋能回答这个问题，这样我们的听众就能马上用起来。

So I'm really excited to answer this so our listeners can start using it right away.

好的。

Alright.

所以我稍微深入查了一下，因为当

So I did a little bit of a deep dive because when

我听到它们的时候，感觉没什么区别。

I hear them, I feel like there's no difference.

它们完全可以互换使用。

They're very interchangeable.

我觉得它们意思一样，但在一些论坛上，有母语者说，哦，我觉得这个可能暗示着……

I would think they mean the same, but in some forums, there were native speakers saying, Oh, I feel like this would imply.

还有一些特别复杂的东西，比如我觉得这可能暗示着你知道我要去做那件事，看起来特别让人困惑。

And these really complicated things like I think this would imply that you know what I'm going to do that and it will seem so confusing.

大家别管那些了。

Ignore all of that you guys.

那并不是对所有人都适用。

It's not true for everyone.

对于所有那些写的内容，我都觉得，不，我其实不太同意。

All of everything that was written I'm like, no, I don't really agree.

我真的觉得你可以把它们互换使用，不用担心什么细微差别。

I really feel like you can use them interchangeably without worrying about any kind of subtle nuance.

你觉得呢，Lindsay？

What do you think, Lindsay?

我同意你的看法，Aubrey。

I agree with you, Aubrey.

我是说，在这个节目里，我们确实会深入探讨一些细微差别。

I mean, on this show, we definitely go into nuances.

对吧？

Right?

我们会深入再深入，但只有在能帮到你的时候，而不是只会让你这个听众感到困惑的时候。

We go into deep deep but only when it could help you, not when it's gonna just confuse you as a listener.

对吧？

Right?

所以我们认为，这两个词的区别并不重要。

So we believe for these two, the difference doesn't matter.

我百分之百同意。

I 100% Absolutely.

完全同意。

Agree with

我同意。

I agree.

如果有人觉得有点细微差别，那可能只是他们那个地区或者成长环境的原因。

And if there is someone that's like, oh, I feel like there is this tiny it might just be for like their region or how they grew up.

并不是所有人都这样。

It's not going to be the case for everyone.

对。

Yeah.

对我来说，从我从小使用这些词的方式，以及我在播客、电视或对话中听到的用法来看，它们是可以互换的。

For me and the way I grew up using them and how I hear them use like in podcast, TVs, or conversations, they're interchangeable.

没错。

Exactly.

我们的核心理念是连接而非完美，也就是说我们不会纠结于语言中的小错误或细节，从而影响交流。

And our whole philosophy of connection not perfection is that we make sure we don't get hung up on mistakes or tiny details of the language where and connection suffers.

影响交流。

Suffers.

对吧？

Right?

对我们来说，交流是最重要的。

Connection is at the forefront for us.

这是最重要的事情。

That is the most important thing.

所以我们不希望你们在这里的区别上感到困惑。

So we don't want you to be confused between the differences here.

所以在这一集里，这两个词是可以互换的。

So for this particular episode, these two are interchangeable.

明白了吗？

Okay?

没错。

Absolutely.

所以我们会用这两个词给你们举一些小例子。

So we'll give you a little examples with both of them.

我们会为每个词做一个小型角色扮演，因为这是它们最常用的方式。

We're going to do a mini role play for each because that's how it's used the most often.

有人问你一个问题，你回答，然后你用其中一个词把同样的问题反问回去。

Someone asks you a question, you answer, and then you use one of these to ask them the same question back.

好的。

Okay.

行。

Alright.

听起来不错。

Sounds good.

好。

Alright.

我先来开始第一个角色扮演。

I'll start us with the first role play.

准备好了吗？

Ready?

准备好了。

Yes.

嘿，Lindsay，你周末做了什么？

Hey, Lindsay, what did you do this weekend?

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

这个周末，我开车去了一个叫Nederland的小镇，去了一家很小的社区啤酒厂，那里有烘焙义卖，还有石头义卖。

This weekend, I took a drive up to a town called Nederland and went to a tiny little community brewery where there was a bake sale, there was a rock sale.

Aubrey，那种地方就是你能在一个地方看到整个社区的那种。

It was one of those places, Aubrey, where you just see the whole community in one place.

你呢？

What about you?

你做了什么？

What did you do?

我可没你那么好玩。

I didn't do anything as fun as that.

我真的很羡慕。

I'm really jealous.

我带孩子去看了长曲棍球比赛，基本上就是在开车接送他们。

I took kids to lacrosse games and basically driving my kids around.

咱们换换吧。

So let's trade.

我宁愿下周末去过你那样的生活。

I would rather do that next weekend.

下周末，我们交换一下生活。

Next weekend, we'll trade lives.

好的。

Alright.

这就对了。

There you go.

完美。

Perfect.

好的。

All right.

不错。

Good stuff.

然后我想

And then I want

指出你还可以，特别是如果某人回答了问题而且回答比较长，有时候说“你呢？”会更自然。

to point out you can also, especially if someone answers the question and it's longer, sometimes it will be more natural to say, what about you?

然后稍微重复一下问题，对吧？

And then sort of repeat the question, Right?

是的。

Yes.

你可以说，那你呢？

You could say like, what about you?

你周末做了什么？

What did you do this weekend?

我经常这么做。

I will often do this.

即使回答不长，就像我们节目开头那样，你问我今天有什么安排，我分享完之后，我也可能会这么做。

And even if it's not long, the way we started the episode, right, when you asked what what I have going on today and I shared, I might do the same thing.

那你呢？

What about you?

你

What are

今天在做什么？

you doing today?

没错。

Exactly.

我觉得当我们重复问同一个问题的时候，语调就变得很重要了。

And I think intonation becomes important when we do repeat the question.

对吧？

Right?

所以，当我把问题抛回给你的时候，我会说，你知道吗，你呢？

So, when I flip it back to you, I would say, you know, what about you?

你这个周末做了什么？

What did you do this weekend?

对吧？

Right?

你这个周末做了什么？

What did you do this weekend?

对。

Yes.

我们问到了你最痛的地方。

We hit the you hardest.

对吧？

Right?

就是分享，比如，我在问同样的问题，

To share, like, I'm asking the same question,

但我想了解你。

but I wanna know about you.

没错。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

太棒了。

Love it.

而且我们总是注意不要，你知道，再次主导整个对话。

And then we're always conscious there of trying not to, you know, dominate the conversation again.

这时候你要避免成为那个只顾自己的人。

There you wanna avoid being that me monster.

简短一点。

Keep it short.

简洁明了，然后把话题抛回给对方，感受一下对方对你说的内容有多感兴趣，或者他们可能会追问你一个问题。

Keep it sweet, and throw it back to the other person and get a sense of how interesting or interested they are in what you've said, and maybe they'll ask you a follow-up question.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

这真的是你来我往。

It's a real back and forth.

就像打羽毛球一样。

It's a game of badminton.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

这其实就是让对话继续下去的一个技巧。

This is just a skill to keep the conversation going.

我们该怎么做呢？

How do we do that?

我们不想让对话就这样慢慢冷场，然后有人就走开了。

We don't want it to just, you know, fade out someone just kind of walk away.

对吧？

Right?

我们想让对话继续下去，保持有趣。

We wanna keep it going, keep it interesting.

对。

Yeah.

要做到这一点，我们就要避免一个人长篇大论。

And we don't and to do that, we avoid monologues.

对吧？

Right?

我们要避免一个人说个不停。

We avoid monologues.

没错。

Exactly.

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yes.

所以《How About You》也是一样的道理。

So same thing with How About You.

我们来做个小小的角色扮演吧。

Let's do a mini role play here.

Lindsay，你想先开始吗？

You want to start us, Lindsay?

嘿，你

Hey, did

你制定新年计划了吗？

you make any New Year's resolutions?

是的，我决定吃饭时不喝酒。

Yes, I have resolved to not drink alcohol with food.

哦，听说这样不好，因为身体会先代谢酒精而不是食物，这样消耗的热量会更少。

Oh, read that it's not good because then your body is burning the alcohol instead of the food and you're going to burn less calories.

所以我正在努力做到这一点。

So I'm working on that.

你呢？

How about you?

我喜欢这个想法。

I like that.

哦，我

Oh, I

我还在考虑我的新年计划呢。

have I'm still thinking about my New Year's resolution.

我能到二月份再决定吗？

Can I decide by February?

可以。

Yes.

对吧？

Right?

给我点时间。

Give me some time.

给我点时间，给

Give me some Give

我点时间。

me time.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

而且我也可以说，你呢？

And I could again, I could have said, how about you?

你有没有定什么新年计划？

Did you make any resolutions?

对吧？

Right?

在说了“你呢”或者“你怎么样”之后，再重复一遍问题，这很自然。

That's very natural to repeat the question after saying either what about you or how about you?

是的，我很喜欢。

Yes, I love it.

所以有两种很好的方式把问题抛回给对方。

So two really good ways to throw it back to the other person.

“你呢”和“你怎么样”。

What about you and how about you?

奥布里，还有第三种方式可以用吗？

Is there a third, Aubrey, that we could use?

有的，我们这里要分享第三种方式，就是“你觉得呢？”

Yeah, we're going to share a third here, which is what do you think?

这个有点不一样。

This is a little different.

What about you 和 how about you 非常通用，适合回应对方说的任何内容，就像“你会怎么回答这个问题？”

What about you and how about you are so general and versatile for anything the other person said, just like how would you answer this question?

差不多就是这个意思。

Is what that means sort of.

What do you think 更具体，适合在你分享观点后，想知道对方看法的时候用。

What do you think is more specific to use after someone after you share an opinion, and you want to know their opinion?

你可以说，你觉得呢？

You could be like, what do you think?

我喜欢这个。

I love it.

所以这在讨论新闻话题、社会事件、时事之类的时候可能更有用。

So this could be even more useful potentially talking about just topical items in the news, societal events, current events, that kind of thing.

那我们来看看角色扮演是什么样的。

So let's see what our role play looks like here.

你准备好了吗？

You ready?

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

好。

Alright.

那你对城市回收计划的改动怎么看？

So what do you think about the changes the city made to its recycling program?

哦，我明白他们为什么这么做。

Oh, I get why they did it.

我想这确实成本太高了。

I guess it was really cost prohibitive.

不过也挺可惜的。

It's too bad though.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

对，我觉得确实是这样。

Yeah, I think it's true.

我觉得很多城市都在停止回收。

I think a lot of cities are shutting down recycling.

是不是这样？

Isn't that true?

你看到那个爆发了吗？

Have you seen that outbreak?

凤凰城就发生过。

That's happened in Phoenix.

他们不再回收玻璃了。

They won't recycle glass anymore.

我觉得问题在于人们没有把玻璃洗干净，导致分拣成本太高，他们承担不起。

Think the problem was people weren't cleaning it well enough it was just costing them too much and sorting.

所以他们就说，很遗憾，我们负担不起这个。

So they've just said, we can't afford to do this unfortunately.

对。

Yeah.

有意思。

Interesting.

对。

Yeah.

哇。

Wow.

关于这个角色扮演，有什么我们需要了解的吗？

Anything we need to know about this role play here?

嗯，你

Well, you

可以加上上面提到的一个，对吧？

can add one of the above, right?

那你呢？

How about you?

或者你呢？

Or what about you?

在你开口之前，你觉得怎么样？

Before you say, what do you think?

所以我本来可以说，你知道吗，我理解他们为什么这么做。

So I could have said, you know, I get why they did it.

不过太可惜了。

It's too bad though.

你知道吗，你呢？

You know, what about you?

你怎么看？

What do you think?

所以我们经常把这两个搭配在一起用。

So we sort of double these up really often.