AEE 2678：为什么以及如何通过睡眠进行英语连接

这里是《全耳英语》播客，第2678期。

This is an All Ears English Podcast episode twenty six seventy eight.

为什么以及如何用英语聊睡眠。

Why and how to connect over sleep in English.

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你是不是觉得英语学习卡住了？

Are you feeling stuck with your English?

我们会教你如何不再害怕，流利说英语，专注于交流，而不是追求完美。

We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection.

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With your American hosts, Lindsay McMahon, the English adventurer, and Michelle Kaplan, the New York radio girl, coming to you from Colorado and New York City, USA.

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你和伴侣一起睡吗？

Do you sleep next to your partner?

今天，我们来聊聊睡眠科学和睡眠健康这个既迷人又热门的话题。

Today, we dive into the fascinating and trendy world of sleep science and sleep health.

了解一下这个话题在不同文化中可能有什么不同，以及如何用英语和母语者自然地聊起来。

Learn how this might be cultural and how to strike up a great conversation around this topic with a native speaker.

好的观点需要好的表达来支撑。

Strong ideas deserve strong delivery.

如果你的英语准确但不够流利，你可能在不知不觉中低估了自己。

If your English is accurate but hesitant, you may be underselling yourself without even realizing it.

流利度决定了别人是仅仅听懂你，还是真正重视你。

Fluency is the difference between being understood and being taken seriously.

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Our free two minute fluency quiz shows you your real English level.

看看你是B1、B2还是C1水平。

Find out if it's b one, b two, or c one.

而且，测试还会根据你的水平告诉你接下来该怎么做。

Plus, the quiz shows you exactly what to do next based on your level.

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Take the quiz now at allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

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One more time, go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

嘿，米歇尔。

Hey there, Michelle.

你今天感觉怎么样？

How are feeling today?

我挺好的，林赛。

I'm doing well, Lindsay.

你呢？

How are you?

对。

Yeah.

我感觉不错。

I'm feeling good.

我感觉很好。

I'm feeling good.

我昨晚睡得挺好的。

I slept pretty well last night.

你呢？

What about you?

米歇尔，你睡眠好吗？

Are you a good sleeper, Michelle?

还是说，你在这方面的状况怎么样？

Or where where are you on that spectrum?

我比以前好多了。

I've got I've gotten better.

我真的好多了。

I've gotten much better.

但还是会有一些打扰，我是说，还是会有一些中断。

But I still, like I mean, there are still interruptions.

我的四岁女儿，每天晚上都会跑过来。

I mean, my four year old, she comes in every single night.

对。

Yeah.

要么是要喝水，要么就是想跟我们待在一起。

And either for water or then she'll wanna stay with us.

但每天早上我们醒来的时候，她都在我们中间。

But every morning when we wake up, she's in the middle.

不过她也比以前好多了。

So so but but she's gotten better too.

她以前每天早上五点就醒了。

She used to wake up at 5AM every day.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

That's Yeah.

那可真不好受。

That was no fun.

所以我就让她睡在我们床上吧。

So I'll take her sleeping in the bed.

你懂吧？

You know?

我就想好好睡一觉。

I I just wanna sleep.

对。

Yeah.

那你睡眠质量好吗？

But are you a good sleeper?

还行。

Yeah.

今年我睡眠状况有点反复。

I've kind of gone back and forth this year.

我是说，我们的听众现在应该都知道了，我生了个孩子。

I mean, as our listeners know by now, I had a baby.

所以这个夏天，我肯定会……我们录这期节目的时候提前了很多，所以我其实还不知道这个夏天会发生什么。

And so this summer, I I will definitely be we're recording this well in advance, So I don't actually know what's gonna happen this summer.

对。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

但我感觉这会是个挑战。

But I have a feeling it's gonna be a challenge.

不过之前我怀孕的时候，是冬天和春天，那时候我真的需要非常特定的条件。

But now when I was pregnant in the winter and the spring, I really needed very specific conditions.

我得开着风扇。

I needed the fan on.

我得有白噪音。

I needed the white noise.

我需要房间是暗的。

I needed darkness in the room.

但宝宝出生后，谁知道会发生什么呢？

But when the baby comes, who knows what's gonna happen?

这一切会不会都

Is this all gonna be

一切都会不断重新调整。

Everything's gonna keep reinventing itself.

没错。

Exactly.

对。

Yes.

所以今天我们要聊的是睡眠，一个非常具体的话题。

So we're gonna be talking about sleep today, something very specific.

这会非常有意思。

This is gonna be really interesting.

大家一定要听到最后，因为我们会在Spotify上发起一个投票，问大家一个非常有趣的问题，你们可以和我们互动。

And you're gonna wanna stay till the end guys, because we are going to do a poll on Spotify where we ask you a very interesting question and you can interact with us.

我们每期节目都有投票，但这次我们特别想看看结果，然后和大家分享。是的。

We have polls for all our episodes, but this is gonna be one where we wanna really read the results and share with you Yes.

看看大家都说了什么。

What everybody said.

所以这会很有趣。

So this is gonna be fun.

所以一定要听到最后，听听问题是什么。

So stay till the end to hear what the question is.

我喜欢今天这个话题的地方在于，它适用于每一个人。

And what I love about today's topic is that it applies to everyone.

只要你是活在地球上的人，你就要睡觉。

If you are alive, a human being on planet earth, you sleep.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yep.

当然，这又是一个很棒的话题，能让大家产生共鸣。

Of course, this is another one of those wonderful connection topics.

我很喜欢。

I love it.

是的。

Yes.

没错。

Yes.

确实。

Exactly.

所以，很多人对睡眠有很多看法。

So and a lot of people have I mean, people have lots of opinions about sleep.

所以最佳入睡时间、床垫类型、床垫大小、温度、是否和伴侣一起睡，这么多因素。

So the best bedtime, the type of mattress, the size of the mattress, the temperature, whether or not you sleep next to your partner, so many things.

确实太多了。

There's so much.

而且如果你上社交媒体，情况更糟。

And if you if you go on social media, it's even worse.

我是说，信息量真的很大。

I mean, there's just so much.

一旦陷入那种算法推荐循环，你会看到很多伪科学，有时候就是那些可能不懂行的Instagram网红在瞎说。

If you get into one of those algorithm loops, you'll get all this, like, fake science sometimes, just Instagram influencers who may not know what they're talking about.

对。

Yes.

但接着你又看到科学家写的正经文章。

But then and then you read actual articles by scientists.

现在这个话题真是无处不在。

It's just everywhere right now.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

真的吗？

Really?

所以今天的话题灵感来自Today网站上一篇Pawlowski的文章，标题是《分床睡能改善你的感情吗？》

So today's topic was inspired by a Today article by a Pawlowski, and this was titled, will a sleep divorce help your relationship?

来看看专家和情侣们是怎么想的。

Here's what experts and couples think.

这篇文章发布于2025年6月28日。

So this was published on 06/28/2025.

虽然有一阵子了，但这是个非常常见的话题。

So a bit ago, but this is a very common topic.

我觉得这个话题越来越常被提到，而且随着时间推移，会越来越普遍。

You hear about this a lot, I think, more and more as time goes on.

对。

Yeah.

有意思。

Interesting.

我觉得这好像正好相反。

And this is kind of I feel like this is maybe in direct contrast.

新闻里不是有件事吗？好像是马修·麦康纳说的，他说他一直用大号床，这反而挽救了他的感情。

Wasn't there a thing in the news where was it Matthew McConaughey who may who said, like, he always has a queen bed and that saved his relationship instead

不是大号床吗？

of a queen bed?

我不知道。

I don't know.

对。

Yeah.

是某个著名演员。

It was some famous actor.

好像是，可能是什么来着。

It was like, maybe it was something.

我也不记得是谁了。

I don't know who it was.

某个我们都认识的名人说过，他从来不用大床，因为那样会让他和伴侣离得太远。

Someone famous that we all know said he never uses a king bed because it separates him too much from his partner.

所以这就是另一个观点。

So that's gonna be the other side.

不过，我们还是来聊聊睡眠离婚，看看这到底是什么意思。

But anyways, let's get into the sleep divorce and talk about what this means.

对。

Yeah.

我的意思是，文章里说的睡眠离婚，你想想看。

I mean so, yeah, the article defines a sleep divorce as I mean, think about it.

就是你和伴侣分床睡，甚至分房睡，你听说过这个吗，Lindsay？

When you sleep in separate beds or even separate rooms from your partner have you heard about this, Lindsay?

听说过。

I have.

我觉得这个话题最近在社交媒体和文化圈里挺火的。

I feel like this has been kind of in the zeitgeist in the culture of social media and everything lately.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

所以，我是说，为什么？那到底为什么？

So, I mean, why and so why?

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

嗯，我得承认，有时候我去酒店，比如一个人出差或者伴侣不在家，我反而睡得更香。

Well, I mean, yeah, I have to admit, like, sometimes when I go to a hotel and I'm just some like, on my own, if I'm at a conference or something or my partner's not home, I will sleep better.

我们俩都跟对方说过这事儿。

And and we've we've shared this with each other.

你知道吗？

You know?

我们都承认这是真的。

Like, we both admit that's true.

因为身边有个人，他们动来动去的，对吧。

Because you've got someone next to you and they are kind of moving around and Yeah.

你懂的。

You know.

我不知道。

I don't know.

你也有同感，还是完全没有？

Do you feel the same way or not at all?

那你们睡多大的床？

Well, what size bed do you have?

双人床。

Queen.

那就难怪了。

So that'll do it.

我们睡的是特大号床，所以，是的。

So I we we very we we we had a we have a king and so, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得情况有点不一样，但确实有噪音、打鼾声，还有半夜起床的人，再加上孩子，所以，我绝对会很高兴能自己一个人在酒店住一晚。

It's, it's, it's, I think it's a little bit different, but there is, there are noises and snores and, you know, people getting up and then children and, you know, so it, it definitely, I would definitely be thrilled to take a night in a hotel by myself.

对。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

你能感觉到区别。

You could tell the difference.

但是，是的，睡眠离婚基本上就是，我的意思是，我们先，先让我们的听众点个关注吧，朋友们。

But, yeah, sleep divorce is basically I mean, let's let's first, let's encourage our listeners to hit follow, guys.

今天，我们要聊一个在文化中很流行的话题。

Today, we're talking about a topic that is out there in the culture.

很有意思。

It's interesting.

每个人都能产生共鸣。

Everyone can connect to it.

所以点一下关注按钮吧。

So hit the follow button.

今年秋天，也就是九月、十月、十一月，我们还会聊更多这样的话题。

We're gonna cover more of these topics in the fall, coming this fall, right, as we get into September, October, November.

记得关注我们的节目。

Make sure you're following the show.

好吗？

Alright?

好的。

Yep.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

那么，你知道，睡眠离婚怎么能帮助改善关系呢？

So, you know, how could a sleep divorce help relationships?

嗯，文章里支持这个观点的主要论据就是，就像你说的，Lindsay，人们独自睡觉时睡得更好。

Well, in the article, so the main argument they mentioned in support of this is that, like what you said, Lindsay, people sleep better when they're alone.

他们休息得更好，也不会对伴侣积累任何怨气。

They end up more well rested, and they don't, like, have build up any resentment towards their apartment apartment partner.

对吧？

Right?

哦，比如说，他们打呼噜，就像我们说的，抢被子。

Oh, they you know, for example, they're snoring, like we said, wrestling, hog the blanket.

这是今天的一个额外短语。

That's a bonus phrase for today.

抢被子，抢，抢东西。

Blanket hogging, hogging to hog.

那是什么意思？

What does

那是什么意思？

that mean?

我们是在说猪吗？

Are we talking about a pig?

比如说，我们是不是在说猪？

Like, are we

不是。

No.

就是说你想多占点被子。

Like, you're you're trying to have more of the blanket.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

嗯，所以，是的。

Well, so, yeah.

这，我是说，我们之间也会发生这种事。

That's that's, I mean, something that happens with us.

其实我有两条毯子，因为我有点怪。

I actually have two blankets because I'm weird.

对。

Yeah.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我听说过

I've heard

但我把一条叠在另一条上面，而丹只有一条的一部分。

about But I have the I mean, one on top of the other and Dan only, you know, has part of one.

但有时候会发生的是，他会睡着。

So but sometimes what happens is he'll fall asleep.

听起来丹挺吃亏的。

Sounds like Dan has a bad deal.

对。

Yeah.

真不该娶我。

Should have never married me.

不。

No.

他，不。

He no.

有时候会发生的是，他会睡着，然后我发现毯子没盖好，直到我绕着床调整它，让它公平。

What happens, ugh, is sometimes he will he will fall asleep, you know, and then I realized that the blanket isn't even until I'm kind of going around the bed to adjust it to make it fair.

毯子搞定了。

Blanket is done.

他，不。

He no.

我，是的。

I'm yeah.

他在抢被子，或者只是被子不太平整。

He's stealing it or it's just a it's just it might be, like, uneven.

你知道，就是被子有点歪了什么的，我只是想把它弄好。

It's, you know, it's it's, like, sideways or whatever, and I'm just trying to make it better.

但他睡着了，以为我要把被子拿走。

But since he's sleeping, he thinks I'm trying to take it

从他那儿。

from him.

那太搞笑了。

That's hilarious.

嗯，我是说，我知道那确实好笑。

Well, I mean, I do I do know that's funny.

哎呀。

Oh, man.

这确实挺难的。

It's it's it's tough.

我是说，睡眠真的太重要了。

I mean, sleep is so incredibly important.

我确实认识一对夫妻，他们各自都有自己的被子。

I do know one couple that they both have their own comforter.

所以这有点像那个的迷你版。

So that's kind of like a mini version of that.

在同一张床上，但每个人都有自己的羽绒被。

In the same bed, but they each have their own full duvet comforter.

对。

Yeah.

所以这算是一种解决办法。

So that's sort of the solution.

你懂吧？

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

所以，谁知道呢？

So, I mean, who knows?

也许这能让你和伴侣更亲近。

Maybe it could bring you closer to your partner.

对。

Yeah.

而且还有这种说法，小别胜新婚。

The it's also this idea of absence makes the heart grow fonder.

所以你可能在清醒的时候更享受和他们在一起的时光。

So you might enjoy time with them more while you're awake.

是啊，人们有时候，可能会完全分房睡。

I mean, yeah, people sometimes, I mean, they might totally sleep in different rooms.

对。

Yeah.

我是说，我会觉得——你怎么看这件事，Lindsay？

I mean, I would feel how would you feel about this, Lindsay?

你能想象自己这样做吗？

Could you imagine yourself doing this?

在某种程度上，这感觉像是在放弃这段关系。

It would feel like giving up on the relationship in a way.

我无法想象自己会这样做。

I I couldn't imagine doing it.

我知道我父母开始分房睡是因为我爸膝盖手术后没法再上楼了。

I know my parents started doing that because my dad couldn't walk up the stairs anymore with his knee surgery.

所以，膝盖手术之后，他们也就一直分房睡了，但他们之间并没有感情问题。

And so and then and then well after the knee surgery, they just kind of kept sleeping in different rooms, but they didn't have a relationship issue.

他们只是……

They just.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我其实不知道他们为什么一直那样。

I don't actually know why they kept doing that.

对。

Yeah.

我不太喜欢这样。

I don't I don't love it.

我不喜欢这样。

I don't love it.

我会想尽一切办法待在同一个房间。

I would wanna try everything I could to stay in the same room

对。

Yeah.

在床上。

In bed

尽量多待在一起。

as much as possible.

除非是身体有问题，实在睡不着。

Unless it was like a medical issue and sleep was not happening.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以我的意思是，反过来看，分床睡确实有可能伤害感情，因为总体上可能会减少亲密相处的时间。

So I mean, yeah, like on the flip side, I mean, the sleep divorce, it is possible it could hurt a relationship, you know, because overall it might lead to less bonding time.

你想想看，比如我们一起看电视，或者晚上聊聊天，对吧。所以文章里咨询的一位专家，就是这位医生。

Think about it like, you know, we watch like TV together or, you know, we just talk at night or, you know, so one of the experts that was consulted in the article, so this was Doctor.

卡罗尔·阿什，新泽西州RWJ Bombas Health的睡眠专家。

Carol Ash, a sleep expert at RWJ Bombas Health in New Jersey.

她说，如果你们睡在同一张床上，就会释放那些让你们关系更紧密的激素。

So she said that if you sleep together in the same bed, you're you're releasing those hormones that bond you.

这对心理健康也有帮助。

And that could help it with mental health.

对。

Yeah.

如果对方睡在另一个房间，可能会开始觉得就像室友一样，你知道吗。

It could it could it could start to feel like it's just a roommate, you know, if the person's sleeping in another room.

对吧？

Right?

有点吧。

Kind of.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

或者，是的，这可能是在回避关系中的更深层问题。

Or, yeah, it could be avoiding deeper issues in the relationship.

如果你只是说，好，你睡那个房间。

If you're just like, okay, you sleep in that room.

我睡那个房间。

I sleep in that room.

也许你们之间有些问题需要解决。

Maybe there are things you need to work on.

要解决这些问题，就得沟通。

And to work on those, need to talk.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

你需要

You need

实际上得面对冲突。

have conflict actually.

真的。

Actually.

对吧？

Right?

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，我的意思是，对，这就是文章提到的，可能你不想谈论某件事。

So it could be I mean, yeah, that's what the article's mentioning that could be you don't wanna talk about something.

你不想，你在回避某些事情，而实际上有更大的问题。

You don't wanna you're avoiding something that there are actually bigger problems.

所以，对。

So Yeah.

真的很有意思。

Really interesting.

我觉得这真的因情侣而异。

I think it just varies couple to couple.

对。

Yeah.

非常有意思。

Super interesting.

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Take it today at allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

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That's allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

好的。

Alright.

那么，米歇尔，什么样的夫妻可能会从分床睡中受益呢？

So what kind of couple might benefit from a sleep divorce, Michelle?

我是说，我们怎么看这件事？

I mean, what do we think here?

对。

Yeah.

我觉得如果他们的作息时间不同，或者起床时间不一样，我是说，也许有人——我是说，我有个朋友，他们没有分床睡，但我朋友是飞行员。

I guess if they have different bedtimes or wake up at different times, I mean, maybe somebody I mean, my friend is they don't have a sleep divorce, but my friend is a is a pilot.

而且——

And

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

对。

Yeah.

所以，你知道，他总是在完全不同的时间起床。

So, you know, he's always up at totally different times.

对。

Yeah.

所以也许他们会这样。

So maybe they would.

或者如果某人是医生，上夜班，或者有很多这样的情况，你知道，我觉得这绝对是个合理的理由。

Or or if somebody is like a doctor and they work the night shift or there's so many, you know, I think that that is definitely a valid reason.

这是个合理的理由。

That's a valid reason.

或者如果有人打呼噜，或者呼吸声很重，有睡眠呼吸暂停，总是把另一半吵醒，或者有某种医疗状况。

Or if someone snores or breathes loudly, has sleep apnea, and is constantly waking up the other person, some kind of medical condition.

睡眠呼吸暂停非常常见，我是在斯洛文尼亚徒步旅行住宿舍时了解到的。

Sleep apnea is incredibly common, and I learned this by by staying dorms in Slovenia on a hike.

到处都是。

It was everywhere.

就像，每个人都在做奇怪的呼吸动作。

Like, everyone was doing weird breathing things.

而且，你知道，那个房间里有很多人。

And, you know, there were tons of people in this room.

他们带着他们的机器吗？

And they have their machines?

是不是那些带着

Are there the ones with

CPAP？

a CPAP?

有些人

Some of

他们中的一些人徒步时带着CPAP。

them did some of them hiked with their CPAPs.

哦。

Oh.

但有些人呢，就是没治疗的睡眠呼吸暂停。

But some of them, it's like untreated sleep apnea.

这真的很常见。

It's really common.

而且真的很危险。

And It's really dangerous.

对。

Yeah.

真的很危险。

Really dangerous.

而且你能听到，是的。

But and you could you could hear yeah.

到处都是。

It's everywhere.

所以这是真实存在的事情。

So that's a thing that's real.

或者如果你只是喜欢不同的条件，比如房间温度、床垫的软硬程度、毯子的种类。

Or if you just prefer different conditions like temperature of the room, mattress, firmness, hardness of the mattress, kind of blanket.

对吧？

Right?

这里有很多因素。

There's a lot of things here.

这里。

Here.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

所以，我觉得这是一个很有趣、很好的话题，能让人产生共鸣，因为每个人对睡眠都有自己的看法。

So, I mean, this is, I think, such a fun, good topic for connection because sleep is something that everyone has an opinion on.

就像我们说的，每个人都有。所以我们都可以，你知道，进行这样的对话，和别人交流。

Like we said, everyone does So we we can all, you know, have this, you know, conversation and connect with others.

那么，关于应对这个问题，你有什么可以聊的？

So what's something that you can talk about dealing with this?

这就是关键问题。

That's the key question.

我们知道这是个常见话题，Michelle，但我们要怎么切入呢？

We know it's a common topic, Michelle, but then how do we enter the topic?

比如，怎么提起这个话题？

Like, how do we bring up this topic?

你可以问问对方的睡眠习惯，分享自己的小技巧。

So you can ask about and share your sleep habits and your tips maybe.

对。

Mhmm.

你可以先问问，比如，你睡前有什么习惯？

So you could start by asking, you know, what's your bedtime routine?