AEE 2697：你遵循“五秒规则”吗？

这里是《全耳英语》播客，第2697期。

This is an All Ears English podcast, episode 2697.

你遵循五秒规则吗？

Do you follow the five-second rule?

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Are you a shoes-on or shoes-off household?

如果薯片掉在地上，你还会捡起来吃吗？

If a chip drops on the floor, will you still eat it?

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You avoid the word you actually want.

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It becomes harder to make real connections.

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嘿，奥布里。

Hey there, Aubrey.

今天怎么样？

How's it going today?

我很好，Lindsay。

I'm great, Lindsay.

你好吗？

How are you?

我很好，但我有个问题。

Good, but I have a question.

准备好了吗？

You ready?

是的。

Yes.

好的。

All right.

那么，你遵循五秒规则吗？

So, do you follow the five-second rule?

哦，对于干的食物，比如饼干，我会的——

Ooh, I do for dry foods, like a cracker-

啊，好的。

Ah, okay

……比如一颗爆米花。

... a piece of popcorn.

我会捡起来直接放进嘴里。

I will pick it up and put it right in my mouth.

但是如果是那种……

But nothing-

当然。

Sure

……湿的，比如奶酪之类的。

... like wet, like cheese or something.

我可能会……

I might-

啊。

Ah

你知道，就把它扔进垃圾桶。

... you know, throw that in the bin.

因为上面可能会沾上东西，对吧？

Because it could get things on it, right?

对，我也这么觉得。

Yeah, I feel like.

你呢？

What about you?

我们总能给自己找理由。

We justify everything.

我确实会遵守这个规则，真的。

I do follow it, for sure.

但如果是洒了酸奶在地上，我不会说‘五秒规则’然后捡起来吃。

But yeah, not if I spill some kind of... If I spill yogurt on the floor, I'm not going to say, "Five-second rule."

你不会去舔地板的。

You're not going to lick it off the floor.

我特别好奇，全世界的人是不是都知道这个“五秒规则”，其他国家、其他文化里有没有这个说法。

I'm so curious if people around the world know what this is, the five-second rule, if this exists in other countries, other cultures.

有的。

Yes.

在美国这边，“五秒规则”就是说，如果你把食物掉在地上，你有五秒钟的时间把它捡起来——

So, here in the States, the five-second rule means if you drop food on the floor, you have five seconds to pick it up-

然后在它沾上细菌之前吃掉。

... and eat it before it would have germs on it.

对。

Yes.

但当然，如果是湿的食物，可能立刻就沾上脏东西了。

But of course, wet foods, it could immediately get whatever.

但在我看来，如果是椒盐卷饼或者饼干，那没问题。

But in my mind, if it's a pretzel or a cracker, it's fine.

吹一吹就行。

Blow it off.

我也是这么想的。

Same here.

我也有同样的想法，但我很兴奋今天能聊这个话题，因为这涉及到文化。

I think the same way, but I'm so excited that we're getting into this today because this is cultural.

这显然——

This is obviously-

……还涉及语言，因为我们有一些常用的表达，特别是——

... linguistic because we have expressions that we use, particularly-

对

Yes

……其中一个你在节目开头已经提到了，Aubrey，就是“五秒规则”。

... one which you already said at the top of the episode, Aubrey, five-second rule.

所以今天我们会有很多收获，而且这个话题我也一直在想，因为我刚出生的儿子去了托儿所，头三天他就抵挡不住那里到处飞的细菌。

So, we're going to learn a lot today, and this has been on my mind a lot too, because my newborn son, he went into daycare, and first three days, he was no match for the germs flying around that place.

他马上就得了重感冒。

He got a nasty cold right away.

真够呛。

Rough.

而且三个星期后他还没好。

And he still got it three weeks later.

我记得，因为我在亚利桑那州带小孩的时候，如果他们的奶嘴——

I remember because when I had toddlers in Arizona at home, if their pacifier, the-

对

Yes

就是塞进嘴里的那个东西，掉到——

... plug you put in their mouth, would fall-

地上，我会冲一下再放回他们嘴里。

... on the floor, I'd rinse it off and put it back in their mouth.

但如果那个——

But if that-

掉在纽约地铁的地板上——

... fell on the floor in the New York City subway-

天哪。

Oh, God

那就别想了。

... forget about it.

不。

No.

那我们就把它放到某个地方消毒，或者干脆扔掉。

Then we're going to put it somewhere to sanitize later or maybe just throw it away.

对，当然。

Oh, for sure.

所以，这也看情况，对吧？

So, that depends, too, right?

我说的不是掉在地上的东西。

I'm not talking about droppings.

这取决于你在哪里——

It depends on where you are-

……如果你愿意的话……在商店里、街上，或者纽约的任何地方，从地上捡起东西来吃。

... if you're willing to- ... pick something off the floor and eat it out at a store or on the street or in New York anywhere.

我不会这么做。

I wouldn't.

很高兴你这么说。

I'm glad you're saying this.

在我自己家里，我刚拖过地。

In my own home, I just mopped these floors.

地板是干净的。

They're clean.

对，我很高兴你这么说，这样大家就不会误解我们了。

Yeah, I'm glad you're saying this so no one misunderstands us here.

我们说的不是在第五大道上捡东西吃，对吧？

We're not talking about picking something off Fifth Avenue here on the-

那情况有点不一样。

That's a little different.

所以，这真的很有意思，但我也确实认识一些不遵守五秒规则的人。

So, this is really interesting, but also, I certainly know people who do not observe the five-second rule.

如果他们掉了东西在地上，直接扔进垃圾桶。

If they drop something on the floor, straight in the trash.

他们绝对不会放进嘴里。

They would never put it in their mouth.

好的。

Okay.

你认识这样的人吗，Lindsay？

Do you know people like that, Lindsay?

当然。

Sure.

可能吧。

Probably.

是的，当然。

Yeah, of course.

确实有这样的人。

They're out there.

对，所以我们每个人都不一样。

Yeah, so we're all different.

但大家喜欢拿细菌来拉近距离。

But people love to connect over germs.

我经常问别人这个问题，尤其是我们待会儿会聊到什么时候适合在对话中提起这个话题，但这其实是个挺常见的话题。

I ask people this a lot, especially, we're going to talk about when this would best come up in a conversation, but it's a pretty common topic.

确实挺常见的，而且我们需要知道具体怎么说，这有点像固定搭配，对吧？

It's pretty common, and we need to know exactly what to say, and it's kind of a chunk, right?

是的。

Yes.

我们不能说“五秒定律”，对吧？

We can't say five-second law, right?

对。

No.

不是。

No.

说得好。

Good point.

我们得说五秒规则。

We have to say five-second rule.

所以，今天我们就要聊这个，朋友们，如果你喜欢这种大家都爱聊的现代文化话题。

So, we're getting into this today, guys, if you love this kind of modern cultural topic that everyone kind of talks about.

母语者会这么说，但你可能从来没学过这个。

Native speakers use this, but maybe you've never been taught this before.

这里就是学习它的地方。

This is the place to learn it.

就在All Ears English。

Right here at All Ears English.

所以，点一下节目上的关注按钮吧。

So, hit the follow button right here on the show.

无论你在哪里收听，都可以在YouTube上订阅，或者在播客上关注我们。

Wherever you're listening, subscribe on YouTube or follow on the podcast.

没错。

Exactly.

好的。

All right.

我们开始吧。

Let's dive in.

我想到这期节目，是因为我读了一篇《卫报》上的文章。

I thought about this episode because I read an article in The Guardian.

卫报网站。

Theguardian.com.

是凯特·劳埃德几天前写的，标题是《食物掉在地上后，真的有五秒钟的宽限期吗？》

It was by Kate Lloyd just a few days ago, and it was called "Is it true that you have five seconds' grace after dropping food on the floor?"

《卫报》是英国的出版物，我当时就在想，觉得挺有意思的。

So, The Guardian is a British publication, and I was thinking about it, I'm like, "Oh, interesting.

我肯定英国也有这个说法。

I'm sure this must exist in the UK as well."

但我好奇他们是不是不叫“五秒规则”，因为她只说是“五秒宽限”。

But I'm curious if they don't say the five-second rule, because she just calls it five seconds' grace.

这是另一种说法，意思是你有五秒钟的时间。

Which is another way to say it, means you have five seconds for something.

我觉得这真的很有意思。

I thought that was really interesting.

对，宽限。

Yeah, grace.

五秒宽限，我喜欢这个说法。

Five seconds grace, I like that.

你有一次机会，对吧？

You have a pass, right?

就是你有五秒钟的豁免权这种概念。

This idea of you have a pass for five seconds.

我们要不要在这里读一下那段引文？

Should we read the quote here?

或者——

Or-

对，我们会给出——

Yeah, we're going to give-

……那篇文章里的一些细节，但真的很有意思。

... some details from that article, but it was really interesting.

读的时候，我确实在想，这在世界各地是什么情况，对吧？

As I read it, I did find myself wondering, what is this like around the world, right?

是的。

Yes.

有没有一些国家或文化，人们绝对不会吃地上的东西，或者有没有其他文化，绝对——

Are there some countries or cultures where people would never eat off the floor, or are there other cultures where absolutely-

……不吃才奇怪呢？

... it's crazy not to?

还是说像在美国那样，这取决于个人，取决于你怎么长大的，也取决于你在哪里，还有——

Or is it like in the States, where it depends on the person, it depends how you're raised, and it depends where you are and how-

我知道

I know

——地板看起来有多干净，对吧？

... clean the floor seems, right?

我知道。

I know.

而且我听到“从地板上吃东西”这个说法时，有点不自在。

And when I hear the expression, "Eat off the floor," I kind of cringe.

我觉得我不会做到那个地步。

I feel like I wouldn't quite go that far.

但确实是这样。

But it is.

确实是这样。

It is.

是的。

It is.

但是如果你把食物掉在地上，Lindsay，那没什么区别。

But if you have dropped food on the floor, Lindsay, there is no difference.

你从地上捡起来吃过，对吧？

You've eaten off the floor, right?

我知道。

I know.

这个说法很微妙，让我有点不舒服，对吧？

It's a very subtle term that makes me a little uncomfortable, right?

就看你怎么说，对吧？

It's how you spin it, right?

因为你说的时候——对，就看你怎么说。

Because when you say-- Right, it's how you spin it.

我们在说什么——

What are we-

真好笑。

So funny

……到底在说什么？

... actually talking about?

我们说的不是坐下来从地上捡东西吃。

We're not talking about sitting down and picking stuff up off the floor.

我们说的是，哎呀，一片薯片不小心掉地上了。

We're talking about, oh, a chip happened to drop down on the floor.

我把它捡起来。

I'm going to grab it and pick it up.

五秒规则，对吧？

Five-second rule, right?

没错。

Exactly.

那我们就来聊聊这些细节吧。

So let's go into some of these details.

在文章里，她提到约翰·特雷戈宁，他是疫苗免疫学教授，在——

In the article, she shared that John Tregoning, who's a professor of vaccine immunology at-

——伦敦帝国理工学院，她说他给我们带来了坏消息。

... Imperial College London, she said that he has bad news for us.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

在这篇《卫报》的文章里，他分享了三个不同研究关于——

In this The Guardian article, he shared details from three different studies about-

哦

Oh

——细菌转移的细节。

... bacteria transfer.

所以，林赛，对你我以及任何遵守五秒规则的人来说，这都是坏消息。

And so for you and I, Lindsay, and anyone else who observes the five-second rule, this is bad news.

这完全是编造的，就是某人在某个时候某个地方编出来的，让我们大家都感觉良好。

It's just completely fabricated, as in someone made it up somewhere at some point, and it makes us all feel good.

这听起来挺有道理的，对吧？

That kind of makes sense, right?

所以基本上，他们说这个规则是假的。

So basically, they said that this rule is false.

细菌会立刻转移到任何食物上。

Bacteria transfers immediately to any food.

而且细菌能在表面上存活24小时。

And that bacteria is on surfaces for 24 hours.

比如说，如果被污染的鸡肉碰到了操作台，然后——

So for example, if contaminated chicken touched a work surface, and then-

两小时后，你把面包放在那里——

... two hours later, you set your bread there-

细菌就可能被转移。

... bacteria can be transferred.

所以这挺有意思的。

So it's interesting.

这不仅仅是因为——

It's not just about-

……地板，当然，地板比你的……

... floors, though, of course, floors are dirtier than your-

……台面更脏。

... countertops.

如果台面上有细菌，而且你直接把食物放在台面上，那也可能是个问题。

If there's bacteria on your countertop, that also, if you put food right on a countertop, that also could be a problem.

我对鸡肉这类东西特别小心——

I'm super careful about things like chicken-

对，我也是。

Yeah, me too

……或者我们知道的东西，但就是那种无辜的薯片掉在地上，感觉就不一样。

... or things that we know, but it's something about just that innocent chip that falls on the floor.

感觉它好像被放过了。

It feels like it gets a pass.

我知道。

I know.

不过说到鸡肉，我肯定会洗手。

But yeah, chicken, I definitely always wash my hands.

我也是，对吧？

Same, right?

不想碰水槽。

Don't want to touch the sink.

我们真的想小心对待任何可能含有有害细菌的东西。

We're trying to really be careful with anything-

就是那些可能真的带有有害细菌的东西。

... that could actually have very harmful bacteria.

很多人可能听过这种说法，我们会说“细菌会增强免疫力”或者“那会增强免疫力”，对吧？

And a lot of us, you probably heard this, where we'll say, "Germs build up immunity," or, "Oh, that builds up immunity," right?

比如我们会说，“如果你掉了东西——

Where if we're like, "Oh, if you drop something-

哦

Oh

掉在地上，这个说法确实有点道理。

... on the floor," which there is some truth to that.

我查过一些文章，说如果你接触过——

I was looking into articles about that, how if you are exposed-

好的，对

Okay, yeah

细菌——

... to germs-

会不会增强免疫力？

... does it build up immunity?

有点。

Somewhat.

很多细菌，那些文章说，对很多细菌来说，并没有增强免疫力这回事——

A lot of germs, these articles were saying there's no building up immunity to a lot of-

哦

Oh

……疾病和细菌。

... diseases and germs.

有意思。

Interesting.

但有些情况下，确实是这样。

But for some of it, yes.

当我们接触到某些疾病时，它可以增强我们的免疫系统，让它以后能更好地应对。

When we're exposed to certain illnesses or diseases, it can boost our immune system and make it more ready to fight it later.

是啊，我想到我儿子，他得了这个……其实，说实话，他现在感冒得很厉害，我在想“这太糟糕了”，因为他咳嗽，我睡不好，我也很心疼他，但在我心里，我的想法是“哦，他小时候生了这么多病，长大后免疫力一定会很强。”

Yeah, my thinking with my son, having gotten this... Actually, honestly, he has a really bad cold right now, and I'm thinking, "This is horrible," and I'm not sleeping very well because he's coughing, and I feel terrible for him, but in my head, my narrative is, "Oh, he's going to have such great immunity when he's older because he got sick so young."

没错。

Exactly.

也可能完全错了。

Could be completely wrong.

我也这么想过，比如，让他们接触其他带病菌的孩子，就是在增强他们的免疫力。

I've thought that as well, and like, oh, I'm building up their immunity by exposing them to other kids with germs.

这是好事。

It's good.

对他们有好处。

It's good for them.

对，是好事。

Yeah, it's good.

是好事。

It's good.

是好事。

It's good.

然后用水冲洗一下，不是吗？

And then if you rinse it with water, no?

比如说——

Let's say like-

那问题来了，因为我会这么做。

Well, here's the question, because I will do this.

如果我掉了一颗草莓，我就用水冲一下——

If I drop a strawberry, then I'll just rinse it-

在水槽里冲一下。

... in the sink.

对，那——

Yeah, that's-

而且我用的东西根本杀不了细菌。

And I'm not using anything that would actually kill germs.

我就用水冲一下——

I'll just rinse it in the water-

然后照样吃。

... and still eat it.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

用水冲一下能起到什么作用呢？

What does rinsing with water do?

说实话，我也会这么做，但我觉得这并不能保证干净，对吧？

Well, I do that too, admittedly, but I guess it doesn't guarantee it, right?

但除此之外你还能怎么办——

But what else would you even-

它可能能把地板上沾到的东西冲掉一些，但肯定不能——

It would maybe rinse off whatever else could maybe be on the floor that could stick to it, but it definitely won't-

对

Yes

杀死任何细菌。

... kill any germs.

所以如果你们家有人穿鞋进来，或者如果你的——

So if people wear shoes in your home, or if your-

唉

Ugh

……宠物在外面跑，然后回到家里，那些文章说的是，地板上有太多细菌和……

... pets go outside and then come in the home, what these articles were saying is there are so many germs and-

哎

Ugh

……你根本不想吃的东西。

... things you would not want to eat that are on your floor.

所以问题在于你多久清洁一次地板，以及你是否脱鞋，或者……

So it's a matter of how often you're cleaning the floor, and if you're removing shoes or-

……如果没有宠物把脏东西带进家里，那就还好。

... if there are no pets tracking anything through the home, so yeah.

但很难，因为如果你开始想这些，你会变得特别焦虑，担心得……

But it's hard because if you open up this can of worms in your mind, you can get really obsessive and worry about it-

确实

That's true

……太多了。

... too much, too.

所以我们得找到这个心理平衡，既不能冒险，也不能过分纠结。

So we have to find this mental balance of we're not going to take chances, but we're also not going to obsess over it.

完全正确。

Exactly right.

因为如果我——对。

Because if I-- Yeah.

我们都认识有洁癖的人，有些人——

We all know a germaphobe, which some people-

是的。

Yes.

洁癖。

Germaphobe

……自称有洁癖。

... are self-declared germaphobes.

当然。

Sure.

所以他们绝对不会吃掉在地上的东西。

So they would never eat anything off the floor.

他们会说：“我有洁癖。”

They're like, "I'm a germaphobe."

对。

Yes.

他们想尽一切办法避免接触任何细菌。

They're doing everything they can to avoid any germs.

你说得对，Lindsay，通常来说，找到一个适中的平衡点，才是更健康的状态。

And you're right, Lindsay, really, usually, a happy medium, like a balance somewhere between, is a healthier place to be.

是的，确实如此。

Yeah, for sure.

你们家是进门换鞋还是不换鞋？

Are you a shoes-on or a shoes-off household?

我们真的很努力做到进门换鞋。

We really try to be a shoes-off household.

但通常，如果是开派对，人们进进出出，我们也在后面，那就……

But often, people will come if it's like a party, and people are coming and going, and we're in the back as well, then-

……真的很难做到完全不穿鞋。

... it's really difficult to really keep no shoes.

所以每次有人来，我们其实买了一台那种扫地拖地机器人，就是……

So anytime anyone's over, we actually got one of those robot mops that-

……我们会让它去……

... we'll just send to-

哦，对。

Oh, right

……拖地。

... mop the floor.

那帮了大忙。

That helps a ton.

哦，这样啊。

Oh, okay.

不错。

Cool.

所以我就没那么紧张了。

So then I'm not quite so stressed about it.

但理想情况下，我真希望家里不穿鞋。

But ideally, I would love there be no shoes in the house.

我知道。

I know.

你呢？

What about you?

嗯，这其实是个文化差异的问题。

Well, this is a very cultural thing.

我们家是进门脱鞋的——

We're a shoes-off-

……那种家庭。

... household.

我们住在城里，是啊，唉，我们在家里肯定不穿鞋。

We live in the city, and yeah, ugh, we definitely don't wear shoes in the house.

但有时候，你只是跑回屋里拿个东西，你忘了什么东西。

But sometimes, if you're just running back into the house to grab something, you forgot something.

这时候问题就来了。

That's where we run into issues.

你只需要穿过厨房，就能上车了。

You just need to cross the kitchen, and you're in the car.

你的另一半在车里等着——

Your partner's waiting in the car-

我们都经历过，对吧？

We've all been there, right?

——带着孩子和狗。

... with the kid and the dog.

哦，我得去拿钥匙或者我的水，然后我就——

Oh, I got to go grab the keys or my water, and I'm-

没错

Exactly

……鞋都没脱。

... leaving my shoes on.

就是这种情况。

It's situations like that.

而且基弗不穿鞋。

And Kiefer doesn't wear shoes.

就像他要去——

Like he's going-

基弗不穿鞋。

Kiefer doesn't wear shoes

……进进出出都不穿。

... outside and coming in.

那真是……

That's...

你想想看，确实是的。

When you think about that, that's-- Yeah.

所以他进来的时候我们会给他擦脚。

So we wipe his feet when he comes in.

哦，那挺好的。

Oh, that's good.

但有时候我们会忘记。

But sometimes we forget.

有时候我们太——

Sometimes we're too-

就是，唉。

It's, ugh.

难免的。

It happens.

我们也不是完美的。

We're not perfect.

对，我们确实不完美。

No, we're not perfect.

嗯，这真的很有意思，因为这是个很好的话题——我们刚才聊得特别开心。

Well, this is so interesting because this is a great-- We have been having a really fun conversation about this.

我们希望你们也能聊这个话题，最好的方式就是——

We want you to be able to have conversations about this, and the best-

是的

Yes

……当食物掉在地上的时候，就是开启这个话题的最佳时机。

... time to spark this conversation is when food falls on the floor.

没错。

Sure.

然后如果你捡起来吃掉，就可以说：“五秒规则。”

And then if you pick it up and eat it, you can say, "Five-second rule."

然后吃掉它。

And eat it.

或者如果不是的话

Or if not

对

Yes

如果你不是那种会捡地上东西吃的人，你可以把它扔掉，那你会怎么说呢，Lindsay？

... if you're not a person that eats food off the floor, you could throw it away, and what could you say, Lindsay?

你可能会说：“我有点洁癖。

You might say, "I'm a bit of a germaphobe.

你呢？”

What about you?"

因为你会弯腰去捡。

Because you're going to bend down.

这可能会让对话停下来，所以我们得有点话可说。

It's going to maybe stop a conversation, and so we want to have something to say.

大家都看到了。

Everyone's seeing it.

没错，对吧？

Exactly, right?

或者你可以问他们：“你遵循五秒规则吗？”

Or you could ask them, "Do you follow the Five-Second Rule?"

或者你可以说——

Or you could say-

“……我不是那种遵循五秒规则的人。”

... "I'm not a Five-Second Rule girly.

“你遵循五秒规则吗？”对吧？

Do you follow the Five-Second Rule," right?

没错。

Exactly.

但我真的建议你开启那个话题。

But I definitely recommend start that conversation.

你不必非得这么做。

You don't have to.