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你是那种传统派吗？
Are you old school?
这个说法真正的意思是什么。
What this phrase really means.
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你是不是觉得自己的英语进步停滞了？
Are you feeling stuck with your English?
我们会教你如何通过注重交流，而不是追求完美，变得自信又流利。
We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection.
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你有没有听过母语者说起过‘老派’的东西？
Have you ever heard native speakers talk about things that are old school?
这个有趣又轻松的词到底是什么意思？我们该怎么用它来
What does this fun and playful phrase mean, and how can we
和年龄相仿的人建立更亲密的关系呢？
use it to build relationships with people who are close to us in age?
一起来看看吧
Find out
他们说话的时候特别放松？
relaxed when they speak?
他们不会费劲找词儿。
They don't search for words.
也不会老是纠正自己。
They don't constantly correct themselves.
就是自然地表达出来。
They simply communicate.
这并不是因为他们完美无缺。
That doesn't happen because they're perfect.
而是因为他们已经练出了流利度。
It happens because they've built fluency.
如果讲英语还是觉得特别吃力，也许该好好看看自己现在的水平到底怎么样了。
If speaking English still feels like hard work, it may be time to understand exactly where your skills stand today.
做个免费的两分钟流利度测试，了解一下你的英语水平。
Take our free two minute fluency quiz and discover your English level.
去 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore 就行。
Go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.
就是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。
That's allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.
你好，米歇尔。
Hello, Michelle.
七月四日快乐。
Happy fourth of July.
我特别喜欢这一天。
I love this day.
谢谢。
Thank you.
没错。
Yes.
就是这样。
Exactly.
我也是。
Me too.
琳达，七月四号快乐。
Happy fourth, Lindsay.
是的。
Yeah.
希望你今天做了些有趣的事。
I hope you were doing something fun.
我知道。
I know.
我知道。
I know.
七月四日是最好的节日，因为没什么要求。
The fourth of July is the best holiday because there are no expectations.
不用送礼物。
There's no gift giving.
也不用吃大餐。
There's no big meal.
就是穿凉鞋，可能去趟海滩，再烤个肉。
It's just like sandals, maybe the beach, barbecue.
简单极了。
So simple.
我喜欢这样。
I love that
第一项。
one.
你列出的第一件事。
Was the first thing you listed.
凉鞋。
Sandals.
是啊。
Yeah.
我一想到七月四日，就会想到——嗯，
That's what I think of when I think of the fourth of July is Well,
今年你有了孩子，不确定你还会不会跑去放烟花，也许孩子得戴耳罩，或者你会躲着走。
this year, you have a baby, and you'll be I don't know if you'll be running out to the fireworks, or maybe the baby will be wearing headphones, or you'll be avoiding them.
没错。
Yes.
谁知道今年夏天会是什么样子呢？
Who knows what life is gonna be like this summer?
谁知道呢？
Who even knows?
各位，如果你们没听到我的重大消息，回去听第26集，那里有完整内容，顺便学学怎么自己做个重磅宣布。
Guys, if you missed my big announcement, go back to episode twenty six twenty six and catch that, and also learn how to give your own big announcement.
对。
Yes.
今年夏天，我们主持团队会搞些有趣的搭配和轮换，玩得挺开心。
But we're having fun this summer with some mix ups, match ups with our hosting team.
太棒了。
Love it.
太棒了。
Love it.
我们过得很愉快。
We're having a good time.
是个美好的夏天。
A good summer.
没错。
Exactly.
对。
Yes.
好的。
Alright.
米歇尔，我们换个话题吧。
So Michelle, let's let's flip topics here.
换一个方向聊聊。
Let's shift gears.
好啊。
Yeah.
我想问你一点关于科技的事。
I'm gonna ask you a little bit about technology.
好吧。
So Okay.
对
Mhmm.
说到科技，你觉得你是比较新潮的类型，还是更偏向传统派呢？
So when it comes to technology, would you say that you're pretty modern, or are you more old school, would you say?
好问题。
Oh, good question.
我觉得我算中间派。
I would say I'm in the middle.
明白。
Okay.
说实话，我觉得我更偏向新潮一些。
I mean, there are I would say I'm more modern.
我觉得没什么问题。
I don't think that there's anything.
我的意思是，比如你听
I mean, I'll say Do like hear your
这么说吧？
answer here?
是的。
Yeah.
确实有点变了。
Did kind of change it.
明白了。
Okay.
所以我现在更喜欢发短信，而不是打电话。
So I would say like, I mostly text rather than call.
至于Kindle和纸质书，我最近才开始用Kindle，以前总觉得自己不会喜欢，因为我一直说，我喜欢拿书的感觉。
As far as like something like a Kindle versus books, I actually just became a Kindle person and I thought I would not want to because I do always say, oh, I like the feeling of the book.
真的。
I do.
但我确实喜欢晚上读书时不用开灯。
But but I do love not having to have the light on at night when I read.
是的。
Yes.
所以我还是会想念拿着纸质书的感觉，但以前用 flashlight 真的很烦。
So I miss holding the book, but it was so annoying with the flashlight.
坚持传统确实不容易啊，米歇尔。
It's hard to be old school, Michelle.
坚持传统确实不容易。
It's hard to be old school.
真的不容易。
It really is.
没错。
Right.
就是这样。
Exactly.
没那么方便。
It's less convenient.
你呢？
What about you?
我觉得我还是挺传统的。
I think I'm still pretty old school.
说到读书，我确实还是更喜欢纸质书。
I actually and when it comes to reading, I actually do still want the physical book.
我明白你的意思。
I I understand why.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
知道。
Know.
但我也不确定自己能坚持多久这样。
I But I don't know how long I can hold out like that.
我也不确定。
I don't know.
但有时候到了晚上，我真的就是不想碰任何电子设备。
But I also just sometimes at the end of the day, just don't wanna touch any kind of technology.
你懂吧？
Know?
我就想把它们放下，回到简单一点的日子。
I just wanna put it down and just go back to like a simpler day.
是的。
Yeah.
我学到的一点是，说实话，我自己也说不清楚。
Well, what I've learned, I mean, I just, I don't know.
我对这件事的看法其实变了，因为我突然就……说不上来为什么。
I kind of changed my tune on the because whole I just, I became, I don't know.
我确实挺喜欢Kindle，但昨天我去书店的时候，就在想：我是不是再也不买纸质书了？
I definitely appreciate the Kindle and I but I also then I will say like yesterday I was in a bookstore and I'm like, well, am I just not gonna buy actual books anymore?
因为我真的喜欢拿一本真正的书在手里。
Because I do love having an actual book.
但说真的，这有点说不通。
And so but it's like, it doesn't really make sense.
对吧？
Right?
挺有意思的。
Interesting.
看来你骨子里还是有那么点怀旧情结。
So there's still some old school tendencies there for you.
你还是想带着咖啡走进书店，
You wanna walk into a bookstore with a coffee and Yes.
慢慢逛，翻翻书的背面介绍。
Wander around and read the cut back covers.
对吧？
Right?
是的
Yeah.
我确实喜欢。
I do.
没错。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
这确实挺难的。
It's a hard one.
米歇尔，关于‘老派’这个词，我们的听众还可以和母语者展开很多其他对话。
And Michelle, there are so many other conversations that our listeners could have with native speakers around this term old school.
对。
Yeah.
这可不只是关于书。
It's not just books.
有太多方面了。
It's so many things.
是的。
Yeah.
米歇尔，这到底说的是什么？
What is this really about, Michelle?
对。
Yeah.
这跟年龄没关系，而是跟我们的行为和偏好有关。
Well, it's not about age, but it's about how we act and what we prefer.
比如说，如果你更喜欢用现金而不是信用卡，那你就是挺老派的。
So like, for example, if you prefer cash over credit card, you're pretty old school.
对吧？
Right?
在2026年的美国，你现在确实挺老派的。
At right now in The US in 2026, you're pretty old school.
如果不同国家还在用现金系统，那在你那儿用现金可能不算老派，但现在很多国家都已经用信用卡了。
If, you know, different countries are still on a cash system, so that that means in your country, you might not be old school if you're still using cash, but many countries are now on a credit card.
或者，比如说，用加密货币之类的。
Or, like, I don't know, cryptocurrency or something.
是的。
Yeah.
也许我算老派，因为我根本不碰加密货币。
Maybe I'm old school because I don't do cryptocurrency.
我的意思是，现在连信用卡都可能显得有点过时了，因为很多人都直接用手机一碰就付。
I mean, even even, like, even a credit card now can feel kinda old school because so many people just tap from their phone.
所以有时候你还要掏出实体卡刷卡，明明可以手机一碰就行，那反而显得你有点跟不上时代了。
So sometimes if you're taking out the physical card and, you know, you could just tap, like, that actually might be took me becoming old
但说实话，这确实太老派了。
But but, know, it's really old school.
你还记得以前去超市，妈妈会拿出支票簿，亲手写支票的日子吗？
Remember the days when, like, you would go to the grocery store and your mom would pull out a check her checkbook and write
支票簿
a checkbook
收银员的本子？
to the cashier's book?
那就是我
That's I
我觉得好市多还在用支票，作为主要支付方式之一，我觉得是这样。
think Costco still does checks, like, as one of their main forms of payment, I think.
不过，支票簿确实挺过时的。
But, yeah, the checkbook, that's old school.
当然。
For sure.
是的。
Yeah.
但你们也看到了，这个词在连接上特别重要。
But, guys, as you could see, this term is huge for connection.
我们已经有这么多话题可聊了。
We already have so much to talk about.
光是聊我们哪些地方还保留老派做法、哪些已经不老派，就能撑完整期节目了。
We could have probably gotten on for the whole episode just
没错。
Yes.
聊一聊我们哪些地方坚持老派、哪些已经不再老派。
Chatting about different things we're old school about or not old school.
这其实反映了我们的个性。
This says something about our personality.
它体现了我们的价值观。
It shows our values.
对。
Yep.
也许我们比较传统，喜欢简单直接的方式，但也可能有点跟不上时代了。
Maybe we're more traditional or prefer a simple way of doing things, but maybe we are outdated.
这其实要看情况。
It really kinda depends.
是的。
Yeah.
没错，各位。
Exactly, guys.
我们会深入聊聊这个说法，因为它特别现代，我们想让你了解它，这样你就能参与这类有趣的对话了。
We're gonna get into this because it's such a modern phrase, and we want you to know it so you can have these interesting conversations.
对吧？
Right?
你肯定会听到别人这么说。
You will hear it come up.
母语者都会用这个表达。
Native speakers will use it.
不过在深入之前，先点一下你播客应用里的关注按钮，别错过任何一期节目。
But first, before we get deeper into it, go ahead and hit the follow button on your podcast player so you don't miss a single episode of the show.
或者你现在正坐在YouTube上看我们直播。
Or you could also be over in YouTube right now watching us.
对吧？
Right?
如果是这样，那你记得点一下YouTube上的订阅按钮。
And in that case, you wanna hit the subscribe button on YouTube.
明白吗？
Alright?
没错。
Exactly.
好的。
Alright.
那‘老派’到底是什么意思？
So what does old school mean?
首先，它是个形容词。
Well, it's an adjective, first of all.
我们来看看这个词到底是怎么用的。
Let's see what kind of form of speech it is.
它形容的是比较传统、经典，或者带点复古风格的东西或人。
It describes something or someone that's more traditional, more classic, or maybe even a little retro.
传统和复古有什么区别呢，米歇尔？
What is the difference between traditional and retro, Michelle?
我们待会儿再聊复古，不过到时候会好好讲讲这两个词。
We're gonna talk about retro a little later, but you know, but we're gonna talk about those two words.
别走开，继续听。
So stay tuned.
先卖个关子，让你有点期待。
We'll leave you hanging a little bit.
好的。
Okay.
来个小小的悬念。
A little cliffhanger.
我准备好了。
I'm ready.
对。
Yes.
悬念啊。
A cliffhanger.
是的。
Yeah.
不过，确实是关于以前或原本的做法。
But, yeah, it's about the older or original way of doing things.
所以它甚至可能让人怀旧。
So it could even be nostalgic.
我的意思是，作为九十年代长大的孩子，你懂的，总能看到那些老派的东西。
I mean, gosh, I mean, as nineties kids, you know, it's always like seeing all these things of old school.
我喜欢那种感觉
Oh, I love how
是的。
Yeah.
我们以前总是，抱歉。
We used to Sorry.
你请说。
Go ahead.
你请说。
Go ahead.
你请说。
Go ahead.
不行。
No.
不行。
No.
不行。
No.
我不是故意打断你的。
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
我只是特别有共鸣。
I'm just resonating with you.
你说的这些，我完全懂。
Like what you're saying.
因为现在九十年代的风格又回来了。
Because now the nineties are coming back.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
And Yeah.
太疯狂了。
It's crazy.
真是好笑。
It's so funny.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
所以我觉得，我也不太确定。
So I think I I don't know.
我不清楚这是否是每一代、每十年都会发生的事，但感觉九十年代肯定会成为那个特别著名的十年。
I I don't I don't know if it's just if it's every generation where this happens or like every decade, But it feels like nineties is gonna be one of those very famous decades.
我也说不清为什么。
I don't know why.
也许我弄错了。
Maybe I'm wrong.
是的
Yeah.
那确实是个很酷的十年。
It was a pretty cool decade.
有些东西真是疯狂。
Some crazy stuff.
我经常会看到我二十岁的继妹穿着我九十年代穿过的衣服，那种感觉特别有趣。
I'll see, like, my 20 year old stepsister wearing something that I wore back in the nineties, and it'll just be like it'll be a funny moment.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Yeah.
她们还以为这是新潮流呢。
And they think it's new.
对吧？
Right?
不过确实如此。
But Yeah.
或者她们是故意这么穿来搞笑的。
Or they do it ironically.
他们就是那种人
Like, they're what
你知道的吧
you know?
这其实是一种讽刺。
It's ironic.
所以他们是在拿这个开玩笑。
So they're actually making fun of then.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Right.
不过，没错，这也可以指习惯、风格、价值观或心态，日常聊天里经常这么用。
But, yeah, it could also be about habits, style, values, mindset, and it is used in casual conversation.
咱们再聊聊这个吧，我真的很喜欢这个词。
So let's talk a little bit more about this, but I I really like this term.
那这个词该怎么用呢？
So how would we use it?
我们会用它来形容什么样的人呢？
Who who would we describe?
首先，你可以用它来形容一些人。
You could describe people, first of all.
对吧？
Right?
比如说，他到现在还手写信件。
So you could say he still sends written handwritten letters.
他真是特别传统。
He's so old school.
不过现在这样其实挺好的，因为大多数人只发短信或者发邮件了。
That's really nice though now because now most people are just texting or, I don't know, sending emails.
现在收到一封手写的信可是件大事。
So to receive a handwritten letter is a big deal now.
比以前更引人注目了。
It stands out more than before.
我哥哥会寄明信片给我们，当个玩笑。
My brother sends us postcards as as a joke.
没错。
That's right.
前几天我们刚收到一张，他有时候会贴个名人照片，假装是那个名人写的，莫名其妙就寄来一张。
We just we just got one the other day, or he'll like send it like with a celebrity picture and like write it from the point of view of that celebrity or like, yeah, like just out of nowhere, we'll get a postcard from him.
太有意思了。
Amazing.
你哥哥真是个有趣的人。
He sounds like such a character, your brother.
是啊，他就是。
Yeah, he is.
你就只能愣在那儿，心想：你这是在干嘛？
And you're just like, what are you doing?
太搞笑了。
So funny.
没错。
So yeah.
你也可以直接说，我更喜欢面对面交流，而不是开Zoom会议。
Or you could say, I prefer face to face meetings over Zoom.
我就是这么老派。
I'm old school like that.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yes.
你还可以描述一下这些情况，米歇尔。
And then you could also describe things, Michelle.
比如说，那会是什么样子？
What would that look like, for example?
对。
Yeah.
你可以说这里的音乐特别复古。
You could say the music here is so old school.
对吧？
Right?
所以可能他们放的都是九十年代或者八十年代的歌。
So maybe they're playing a lot of nineties music or eighties music.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
我感觉现在电台放的，都是我们当年去高中舞会跳的那些歌。
And I feel like I'm hearing more of, like, the the music that we went to high school dances and dance to now on the radio.
这种音乐也回来了，就跟穿搭风格一样。
It's coming back too, just like the style.
是的
Yeah.
没错
Yep.
或者说，我喜欢那种老式小餐馆的氛围，我也特别喜欢这个。
Or you could say, I love that old school diner vibe, and I love that too.
上周末我去了一家牛排馆。
Over the weekend, I went to a steakhouse.
我们带岳父母去吃牛排，感谢他们让我们住他们的公寓。
We took our I took we took our in laws out to a steakhouse for dinner to say thank you for letting us stay at their condo.
真贴心。
Aw.
我们去了一家很复古的牛排馆，他们还提供黄油面包卷当餐前小食。
And we went to one of these old school steakhouses where they still serve the bond the dinner rolls with the bread with the butter.
是的
Yeah.
你懂的。
You know?
对。
Yeah.
现在想找到这种地方可真难了。
It's Of so hard to find that now.
至少在这儿，很少有餐厅会免费提供面包配餐。
At least out here, it's just rare that anywhere will serve bread for free with your meal.
是啊。
Yeah.
我当时高兴极了。
I was like, yay.
我就知道他们会这么做。
I knew they did it.
我特别期待这个。
I was so excited for it.
这真让人兴奋。
That is exciting.
在新泽西，还是有很多小餐馆。
Well, in New Jersey, there are still so many diners.
是啊。
Oh, yes.
新泽西的小餐馆可是挺有名的。
Jersey is kinda famous for diners.
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
而且说实话，这种地方也不是到处都有。
And and, yeah, they don't exist everywhere, I don't think.
你那儿小餐馆多吗？
Like, are there a lot of diners where you live?
有一些，但新泽西确实最出名。
There are some, but New Jersey is Famous.
diner 的圣地。
The place for diners.
我真没想到咱们在节目里居然没多聊聊这个。
And I can't believe we haven't talked about that more on the show.
我们真该专门做一期，甚至系列节目来讲讲 diner，它们那种老派的氛围，让人打心底里觉得温暖舒服。
We really need to go into that one day, maybe a series about diners because they are the ultimate old school experience that just makes you feel warm and fuzzy.
你懂的。
You know?
没错。
It's true.
是啊。
Yeah.
再说一个能形容这种东西的例子。
Or here's another one to describe something.
那是个电话亭吗？
Is that a telephone booth?
有多复古啊？
How old school?
是啊，这挺有意思的。
Yeah, it's funny.
我的意思是，这些东西能带给我们一种安心感，因为它们让我们想起小时候，你知道的。
I mean, these things can bring a sense of comfort to us because it reminds us of when we were growing up, you know?
所以这个说法在交流中特别容易引起共鸣，朋友们。
That's why this phrase will really resonate in conversation and connection, guys.
那我们来聊聊怎么表达这句话吧，米歇尔。
So let's talk about how we package this phrase, Michelle.
我们还能怎么换个说法来说这个呢？
How do we package it in other Yeah.
一些你常听到的表达，比如‘好吧’。
Well, some common phrases that you might hear are okay.
你可能也会听到‘太复古了’这种说法。
You might hear so old school.
我叔叔到现在还用纸质地图。
So my uncle still uses paper maps.
他真是够复古的。
He's so old school.
是啊。
Yeah.
这确实挺复古的。
That is pretty old school.
对吧？
Right?
现在都有谷歌地图了，输入目的地一键搞定，他还这样，真够老派的。
Especially when now we have Google Maps and we just program it in so easy.
没错。
Yeah.
你也可以这么说：这还挺复古的，或者有点老派。
Or you can say that's pretty or that's kinda old school.
对吧？
Right?
你可以说我也有点老派。
You can say I'm kinda old school.
我喜欢打电话，而不是发短信。
I like calling instead of texting.
是啊。
Uh-huh.
没错。
Right.
或者说，让我想到我可能也有点老派的地方。
Or well, makes me think of so one way that I might be old school.
我到现在还是这样。
So I still okay.
去超市的时候，你是喜欢自助结账，还是更愿意让店员帮你结账？我们好像聊过这个。
When you go to the grocery store, do you prefer self checkout or do you wanna go have somebody do it I for think we've talked about this.
是的
Yeah.
这得看排队情况，哪边排得更长就选哪边。
It really depends on the lines, where the lines look worse.
通常我会选自助结账。
Usually, I'll try to go to self checkout.
但要是购物车堆得满满的，我就直接找人工结账了，实在不想一件件拿出来再装回去。
But when I have a huge cart full of stuff, I'll just go to a person because I just don't wanna take all that out and put it back into bags.
太麻烦了。
It's a lot of work.
你懂的。
You know?
我觉得我还是那样，说不上来为什么，可能我有点懒，就是不想自己弄。
I I I think that I still, I just, I don't know, maybe I'm lazy, but I don't wanna do it.
对。
Yeah.
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这样也挺好的。
It's also nice.
跟人聊几句挺舒服的，对吧？
It's nice to have an exchange with someone, right?
没错，就是这样。
Right, exactly.
尤其是买一堆蔬果的时候，得一个个扫码、称重，想想就头疼。
You have a little talk or maybe, especially if you have maybe a lot of produce and then you have to put it in and like weigh it and, you know, it's in that scenario where it's like, Ugh, then I'm gonna have to do that.
我能看出来，你对这事儿特别有感触。
And sometimes, you can tell I'm very passionate about this.
你去自助结账时，每两秒就得有人过来帮你，因为总出问题。
You can, you know, be at the self checkout, and then every two seconds, you have to have somebody come on over to help you because something goes wrong.
你得扫两遍。
You ring it up twice.
还得付两遍钱。
You double pay.
我懂。
I know.
我们自己扫商品，简直该给个折扣才对。
It's almost like we should get a discount for having to ring up our own groceries.
是啊。
Yeah.
不过我记得好像看过一篇报道，说现在自助结账太火了，反而成了排队时间最长的环节。
So I but I I think there was an article somewhere I saw about how, like, now self checkout is so popular that it's like the thing that you have to wait online for more.
真的吗？
Really?
这挺有意思的。
That's interesting.
我倒不觉得。
I wouldn't
会这样。
think that.
真有意思。
Funny.
找到了，这个还挺有意思的。
Find that, but that was interesting.
所以我确实挺喜欢这样的。
So I do I do like that.
明白了。
Okay.
你这做法还挺复古的，不过我能理解，确实挺复古的。
So it's pretty old school of you, but I get Pretty old school Yeah.
啊。
Of
那再问一下，你有多复古？
And then you also just one more is, how old school?
你居然还用了手写的请柬。
You brought a handwritten invitation.
什么叫老派？
How old school?
为什么是学校？
Why school?
为什么不直接说大学呢？
Why not, like, college?
或者
Or
是啊。
yeah.
我不太清楚。
I don't know.
这挺有意思的。
It is interesting.
对啊。
Yeah.
说实话，我真不知道这个词儿是从哪儿来的。
I don't I don't actually know where the phrase comes from, to be honest.
朋友们，去查一查吧。
Guys, look it up.
稍微了解一下这个词的词源。
Get into a little bit of etymology there.
我们也不确定来源，但可以肯定的是，这词现在特别流行。
We don't know, but we can tell you it is very common and trendy.
这词已经火很久了。
It's been trendy for a long time.
没错。
So Yes.
尽管去用吧。
Go for it.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Yes.
你觉得怎么样，Michelle？
So how does it sound, Michelle?
我们知道这很流行。
We know it's trendy.
你觉得这听起来如何？
How does it sound
对你来说？
to you?
我觉得这得看情况。
I think it really depends.
我的意思是，一般来说，它听起来可能有点积极，也可能中性，但是
I mean, it I would say, generally, it can be kinda positive or neutral sounding, but
对。
Mhmm.
但在某些情况下，它也可能带有负面含义，比如……
It can be negative in some Like Mhmm.
当你在描述一些过时的东西时。
If you're describing something that's outdated.
比如说，这家公司的营销方式有点老派。
So for example, the company's marketing is kind of old school.
是的。
Yeah.
举个例子，如果你是个顾问，客户请了你，你不会直接跟他们说：你们这种方式太老派了。
I mean, if you are like a consultant and they've hired you, you wouldn't say directly to them, hey, the way you're doing this is kind of old school.
你得稍微注意一下用词，别那么直白。
We should you know, you would be careful with those words a little bit.
对。
Yes.
没错。
Yes.
对吧？
Right?
或者他们的网站也很过时。
Or the website is very old school.
看起来就是不够现代。
It just doesn't look good.
你不会直接对这家公司这么说。
You wouldn't say that directly to the company.
你可能会跟同事这么说，但前提是他们不会传出去。
You might say that to your coworker who wouldn't who wouldn't then repeat it.
是的。
Yes.
没错。
Exactly.
所以就是这样。
So yeah.
真有意思。
Really interesting.
琳赛，还有哪些类似的词？
And Lindsay, what are some similar words?
是的。
Yeah.
类似的说法，不过说‘老派’其实挺有趣的，因为现在特别流行。
Similar words, but, you know, it is fun to say old school because it's so trendy.
是的。
Yeah.
不过呢，类似的词还有‘过时’。
But you you know, similar words, old fashioned.
这个词更直接，也更中性。
This one's more straightforward, more neutral.
‘传统’这个词，可能让人觉得有点过时，但也可以是中性的，甚至带点负面意思。
Traditional in a way that may feel outdated, can be neutral, or it could be negative.
在感情方面特别守旧。
Very old fashioned when it comes to relationships.
对吧？
Right?
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
或者这条规矩也有点守旧。
Or that rule is a bit old fashioned.
对。
Mhmm.
‘守旧’这个词还可能暗示死板、受限，或者思想不够开放，诸如此类的意思。
And old fashioned can convey stiff or limiting or not forward thinking, things like that.
没错。
Yeah.
很多时候，电影里父母的形象就是那种守旧的，你知道的，就是那种类型。
Lot of times it's like in a movie, like the parents in the movie or old fashioned or like that what is it?
就像《霹雳舞》里那样，不准跳舞，对吧。
Footloose where they're not allowed to dance and like Right.
就是这类事情。
Things like that.
而‘老派’听起来反而更有趣一点。
Whereas old school has a bit more of a fun connotation to it.
没错。
Right.
对。
Right.
就是这样。
Exactly.
不过还有个词叫‘复古’，我们之前提到过。
But then there's the word retro, which we were talking about earlier.
咱们来聊聊这个。
So let's get into that.
复古是一种来自过去的风格，可能是有意为之的。
So retro is a style from the past, maybe intentionally so.
而且通常带有正面的意味。
And it's usually positive.
对吧？
Right?
我觉得‘复古’这个词是褒义的。
I would say retro is a positive word.
我超喜欢那件复古夹克。
I love that retro jacket.
是的。
Yeah.
这更有趣了。
This is even more fun.
对吧？
Right?
或者那家咖啡馆的设计就是复古风格的。
Or that cafe has a retro design.
如果你是八十年代出生的，你妈妈可能有件六七十年代的夹克，你就会看到这种情况。
You might see this with, like, if you're, maybe if you were born in the eighties and your mom had a jacket from the sixties or the seventies.
对。
Right.
你可能会在复古主题夜的时候穿它出来。
You might wanna wear it for retro night or something.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Right.
因为那样挺酷的。
Because that's cool.
那就是复古。
That's retro.
这让我想起六七十年代的样子。
It makes me think of, like, the sixties and the seventies.
这些东西。
This stuff.
明白了。
Okay.
我也是这么想的，不过我后来查了一下。
So it does for me too, but then I actually looked it up.
是的。
Yeah.
等一下。
And hold on.
我没再发一遍链接吗？
Did I not link to it again?
它就显示‘好的’。
It it just says okay.
我引用的这个定义是这样的。
Here's the definition I'm quoting.
一种有意识地复兴或模仿过去潮流的风格、时尚或单品，通常涵盖二十世纪二十年代到八十年代。
A style, fashion, or item that consciously revives or imitates trends from the past, typically spanning nineteen twenties to the nineteen eighties.
是的。
Yeah.
当然。
Sure.
所以不只是六十年代。
So it's not just the sixties.
不知为什么，我们总想到六七十年代。
For some reason, we think of the sixties and seventies.
也许是因为我们当时能接触到的服装就是那些。
Maybe because those are the clothing that we had access to.
有可能。
Maybe.
我不太确定。
I don't know.
是我们的父母那一代。
Our parents.
我也是这么想的。
Well, that's what I think of too.
但我最近刚参加了一个复古派对。
But I actually just recently went to a retro Okay.
算是那种风格的聚会吧。
Kind of party.
我穿了条波点裙。
I wore, like, a poodle skirt.
因为我想到的是五十年代的风格。
Like, because I was thinking more like fifties.
明白了。
Okay.
但很多人穿的是那种嬉皮士风格的衣服。
And but a lot of people were dressed like, you know, like the hippie style.
好的。
The okay.
好的。
Okay.
好的。
Okay.
这真挺有意思的。
It's it's so it's interesting.
这个词最近才进入我的生活，我当时就想，等等。
So that word actually just came in my life and I was like, wait a second.
什么叫复古？
What is retro?
一场复古派对。
A retro party.
六十年代很多大人物都来了，你知道的。
A lot of a lot of big wigs, you know, from the sixties.
是吗
Is that
没错。
what you Yep.
喇叭裤。
Bell bottoms.
人们都戴着假发。
People were wearing wigs.
对。
Yep.
挺有意思的。
That's fun.
听起来是个很热闹的派对。
Sounds like a fun party.
天哪。
Oh my god.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
这太好了。
That's great.
最后一个类型是传统的，我们之前也聊过，就是复古和传统之间的区别。
And then the last one is traditional, which we also were talking about, like the difference between retro and traditional.
传统就是更倾向于遵循旧有的习俗和信仰。
So traditional is more something that follows older customs, beliefs
没错。
Yes.
或者做事的方式。
Or ways of doing things.
听起来更中性、更正式一些。
So it sounds more neutral, more formal.
我觉得‘复古’和‘老派’这类词更贴近，也更有趣一点。
I would say this is more, like, I would say retro and old old school kinda go together as, like, more fun words.
对。
Yes.
而‘老土’和‘传统’则可能显得更拘谨一些。
Where old fashioned and traditional are perhaps a little more stiff.
对。
Yes.
说到传统，我第一个想到的词是‘保守’。
And I would also what word would come to mind would be conservative when I think about traditional.
应该是‘保守’吧。
Probably conservative.
对吧？
Right?
保守这个词的意思其实就是传统。
That's kind of what conservative means is traditional.
就是说，你不愿意向前看。
Like, you're not moving forward.
更多是回过头去想以前的事。
You're kind of like thinking back a little bit.
对。
Yeah.
就是保持事情原来的样子。
Like keeping things the way they were before.
比如我祖父母在过节这件事上特别传统。
So for example, my grandparents are very traditional when it comes to holidays.
是啊。
Yeah.
或者他对约会的态度也很传统。
Or he has a very traditional approach to dating.
对
Mhmm.
好的
All right.
不错
Cool.
米歇尔，我们来做个角色扮演吧。
Michelle, time for a role play.
来吧。
Let's do it.
咱们聊聊以前的约会方式。
Let's talk old school here.
好吧。
Alrighty.
我们是朋友，正在聊约会和沟通方式。
We're friends, and we're talking about dating and communication styles.
这些年来，很多事情都真的变了。
These are things that have really changed over the years.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
当然了。
Definitely.
好。
Alright.
开始了。
Here we go.
好。
Alright.
所以，你的约会怎么样？
So how was your date?
进行得特别顺利。
It went really well.
他带我去了一家小复古小馆。
He took me to this little retro bistro.
我特别喜欢。
I loved it.
哦，真不错。
Oh, nice.
约会完之后，他有给你发消息吗？
And did he text you after the date?
没有。
No.
他直接给我打了电话。
He actually called me.
给你打电话？
Called you?
哇哦。
Wow.
这还挺复古的。
That's kinda old school.
我知道，但我挺喜欢的。
I know, but I liked it.
换个方式，感觉挺好的。
It was nice for a change of pace.
是的。
Yeah.
有些传统做法反而显得更礼貌。
Some old fashioned habits can feel more polite.
没错。
Exactly.
说实话，我在约会这方面还挺传统的。
And honestly, I'm pretty traditional when it comes to dating.
我也是。
Same.
挺好。
Nice.
对。
Yeah.
还有个词我想到了，就是有点过时。
There are things the other word that comes to mind is quaint.
对吧？
Right?
有点过时。
A little bit quaint.
对。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
那种传统的做法，但完全是正面的意思。
A good old fashioned, but in a good way.
对吧？
Right?
所以你挺有共鸣的。
So that resonated with you.
也许现在不是每个人都想要这样的电话，但你挺喜欢的。
Maybe not everyone, you know, would want that call, right, nowadays, but you liked it.
所以这才是关键。
So that's what matters.
对。
Right.
有些人可能会想，他干嘛不直接给我发条消息呢？
Some people might be like, why didn't he just text me?
对吧？
Right?
你干嘛给我打电话？
Why are you calling me?
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
就是这样。
Exactly.
我觉得这取决于你是不是想跟那个人聊聊。
I think it depends if you wanna talk to that person.
你真的，是的。
You really, Yeah.
我觉得如果你在约会时真的很喜欢一个人，然后他们给你打电话，我真不觉得你会觉得我应该发那样的短信。
I think if you really liked someone on a date on a date and then they call you, I I I don't think there's I don't think you would be like, I would have went into text like that.
我也这么想。
I would think so.
除非你紧张。
Unless you're nervous.
除非你就是觉得，哎呀，我太紧张了。
Unless you're just like, oh, I was too nervous.
我宁愿发短信。
I'd want I'd rather text.
对吧？
Right?
我觉得打电话的时候会有点压力。
I guess it's a little bit of pressure when you get on the phone.
你得想个话题来聊。
You have to come up with a topic to talk about.
有点压力。
There's a little pressure.
压力大一点，不过也就这样了。
Little more pressure, but that's just yeah.
那我们来模拟一下，Michelle。
So let's go through this role play, Michelle.
你说我问你约会怎么样。
So you said I asked you how your date was.
你说进展得特别好。
You said it went really well.
他带我去了一家复古小餐厅。
He took me to this little retro bistro.
我们不清楚具体是哪个年代，但能确定是以前的风格。
So what we don't know exactly which time period that was linked to, but we know that it's older.
感觉挺有年代感的。
It feels older.
有年代感。
Older.
大概是二三十年前，或者更早的时候。
Early twenty, thirty years ago, something like that or more.
是的。
Yeah.
然后你说我提到他主动给我打电话了，你是不是说他给你打了电话？
And then you said I said he actually called me, and you said, called you?
哇。
Wow.
这还挺复古的。
That's kinda old school.
所以你的意思是，这在现在并不常见，对吧？
So you're just saying, oh, that's not, like, typical for nowadays.
没错。
Exactly.
然后你说，这真是个不错的调剂。
And then you said it was a nice change of pace.
我说，是的。
And I said, yes.
有些老派的习惯反而显得更有礼貌，我完全同意这一点。
Some old fashioned habits can feel more polite, and I totally agree with that.
我的意思是，那种老派的做法，比如……嗯，我说不上来具体是啥，但就是更显礼貌。
I mean, it feels more polite, like the old fashioned habit of well, I don't know.
就算有点过时了，我依然会帮人扶门。
Holding doors is still kinda something I do even though it's old.
也许这有点老派，但我认为，哪怕到了2026年，为身后的人扶一下门，也依然是基本的礼貌。
Maybe it's a little old fashioned, but I I think it's common courtesy even in 2026 to hold the door for who's coming in behind you.
对。
Yeah.
但还有一件比较传统的事，比如约会时男方会去门口接对方，然后主动自我介绍，再一起进去。
But, like, another old fashioned or traditional thing would be like, you know, the date picking their someone picking their date up at the door and introducing themselves before to the they go
这确实挺老派的。
that's old fashioned for sure.
但这么做很礼貌。
But it's polite.
让人觉得有礼貌，也显得成熟。
It feels polite and it feels mature.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Yeah.
然后我说过，其实我在约会方面挺传统的。
And then I said, honestly, I'm pretty traditional when it comes to dating.
所以我挺喜欢这种感觉的。
So maybe I like that feel.
也许吧，说真的，我们还可以聊聊谁付钱这类话题。
Maybe, you know, I mean, there's also I mean, we could get in a whole conversation about who pays and things like this.
对啊。
Like Yeah.
关于约会是传统还是不传统，或者说现在更流行的做法。
How dating traditional versus untraditional, you know, or more of the new way of doing things.
如果我说自己在约会方面挺传统的，你是不是会觉得我希望对方请客？
So I probably if I say I'm pretty traditional when it comes to dating, you think I want someone to pay for me?
付钱在约会传统里是很重要的一部分。
Paying is a big part of like dating tradition.
所以也许吧。
So maybe yes.
是的。
Yeah.
我可能就是这么想的。
I might think.
我会说，嗯，我大概会期待这样吧。
That's what I would say is like, oh, I would probably expect that, you know.
对。
Yeah.
如果这就是你的做法，那也没问题。
Mean, and there's I mean, if that's how you do it, that's fine too.
所以这完全是。
So it's just Completely.
这。
It's
真的很有趣。
Really interesting.
朋友们，去听听二十五七六频道里琳赛在西班牙台阶上分享的西班牙语冒险，讲的是她去意大利和罗马的经历。
Guys, go check out twenty five seventy six, Lindsay's language adventure on the Spanish Steps about my trip to Italy and something that happened in Rome.
快去听听吧。
Go check that out.
是的。
Yes.
米歇尔，今天关于连接，你最后的体会是什么？
Michelle, what is the final takeaway for today about connection?
我的意思是，这特别有趣。
I mean, is so much fun.
对。
Yeah.
这
This is
你可以聊聊自己的偏好，你如何看待这个世界。
really You can talk about your preferences, how you see the world.
你可以描述一些地方。
You can describe places.
你可以谈，我的意思是，关于这个话题有无数种聊法。
You can talk I mean, there's endless ways to talk about this.
我是说，我为什么不能跟你多聊聊超市，聊聊约会呢？
I mean, why could I talk to you more about the grocery store, about dating?
其实能聊的话题太多了，这些词能带出很多深层的内容。
There's just so many different topics that you can really go further with with these words.
对。
Yeah.
这确实能增进联系，因为它帮你标记出时间的流逝。
And it really, it builds connection because it helps you mark the passage of time.
它让你和某些人产生共鸣，不管他们是不是和你同龄。
It helps you identify with certain people that might be your age or may not be your age.
对吧？
Right?
比如说，如果我们对去一家老式小餐馆特别兴奋，那可能就像八十年代长大的孩子，怀念当年那些老派的餐馆。
I mean, if if we get excited about going to an old school diner, we might be like kids that grew up in the eighties going to diners that were were old school then.
对吧？
Right?
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
它们是五六十代的。
They were from the fifties and the sixties.
所以它能帮你找到共同点，而共同点是建立联系的基础。
So it can help you find commonalities, which is the basis of connection.
我觉得这就是关键。
I think that's the point here.
对吧？
Right?
当然。
Absolutely.
好的。
Alright.
很高兴今天我们聊了这个话题。
Well, I'm glad we talked about this today.
Lindsay，下次再跟你聊。
And, Lindsay, I will talk to you next time.
好的。
Alright.
再见，Michelle。
Bye, Michelle.
保重。
Take care.
再见。
Bye.
感谢收听《All Ears English》。
Thanks for listening to All Ears English.
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Would you like to know your English level?
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Take our two minute quiz.
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Go to allearsenglish.com forward slash fluency score.
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And if you believe in connection not perfection, then hit subscribe now to make sure you don't miss anything.
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See you next time.
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