AEE：电影能让你更渴望阅读吗？

这里是All Ears English播客。

This is the All Ears English Podcast.

电影能让你更想读书吗？

Can movies make you more excited to read?

欢迎收听All Ears English播客，下载量已超过两亿次。

Welcome to the All Ears English Podcast, downloaded more than 200 million times.

你是不是觉得英语学习卡住了？

Are you feeling stuck with your English?

我们将向你展示如何通过注重交流而非完美，变得无所畏惧、流利自如。你的美国主持人奥布里·卡特，雅思专家，以及林赛·麦克马洪，英语冒险家，从美国亚利桑那州和科罗拉多州为你带来节目。

We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection, with your American host, Aubrey Carter, the IELTS Wiz, and Lindsay McMahon, the English Adventurer, coming to you from Arizona and Colorado, USA.

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电影改编成书，或者书改编成电影，这些在聚会或社交场合都是常见话题。

Movies that get made into books or vice versa are a common conversation topic at a party or when you're socializing.

今天收听节目，学习当书被改编成电影时，如何用英语表达你的看法。

Listen in today to learn how to give your opinion in English when a book becomes a movie.

流利不是说要说得很完美。

Fluency is not about speaking perfectly.

而是能够自在地交流，毫无压力地分享你的想法，在对话中自然反应，并且用英语表达你的个性。

It's about communicating comfortably, being able to share your ideas without stress, react naturally in conversations, and express your personality in English.

如果英语还是让你觉得需要小心翼翼地去应付，那你可能离下一个流利水平很近了，但一旦你清楚自己的位置，进步就会快得多。

If English still feels like something you have to manage carefully, you're probably very close to the next level of fluency, but progress becomes much faster once you know exactly where you stand.

来做个免费的2分钟流利度测试，今天就了解你的英语水平吧。

Take our free two-minute fluency quiz and discover your English level today.

访问 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

Go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

就是 allearsenglish.com/F-L-U-E-N-C-Y-S-C-O-R-E。

That's allearsenglish.com/F-L-U-E-N-C-Y-S-C-O-R-E.

你好，Lindsay。

Hello, Lindsay.

你今天怎么样？

How are you today?

嘿，奥布里。

Hey, Aubrey.

我刚看完电影回来。

I am just fresh off going to the movies.

我两个周末前去看《奥德赛》了。

I went to see "The Odyssey" two weekends ago.

我请了——

I took a-

哦

Oh

……周五下午的一点假，然后去看了电影。

... little bit of a Friday afternoon off and went to the movies.

这绝对是一部值得去电影院看的电影。

Definitely a good one to see in theaters.

希望正在收听节目的你们，很多人都有机会在IMAX或者普通影院体验一下。

Hopefully, a lot of you out there listening were able to experience it either in IMAX or just...

我没看IMAX版。

I didn't do the IMAX.

我就看了普通的，不过也是影院大屏幕。

I just did a regular, but theater screen.

对。

Yes.

像那种场面宏大、声音震撼的电影，在影院看确实很过瘾。

And it's such... Movies like that that are big and loud and impressive are fun to see in the theater.

对。

Yes.

看着特别爽。

Very fun to see.

今天我们要聊一部具体的电影，不过在进入正题之前，先问一个小问题。

And today we're talking about one particular movie, but one quick question before we get into what movie we're going into today.

有没有哪部电影让你特别想去看原著？

Has a film ever made you want to actually read the book?

你有没有看过一部电影，然后觉得“哦，我现在得去读那本书了”？

Have you ever watched a movie and then felt, "Oh, I need to read the book now"?

有，通常都是反过来的。

Yes, usually it's the opposite.

我们经常是先读书，然后再去看电影，如果有的话。但《万福玛丽亚》这部电影让我有了这种感觉。

Often we read the book first and then want to see the film if there is one, but this happened to me with "Project Hail Mary."

我还没读过那本书。

I hadn't read the book yet.

好的。

Okay.

还有《火星救援》，都是同一个作者写的。

And "The Martian," both by the same author.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

我没读过这些书，先看了电影，后来才听说有原著。

I hadn't read the books, saw the film first, and then had heard it was a book.

我就想，"好吧，我得去读这本书了。"

I'm like, "Okay, I have to read the book."

对，确实。

Yes, for sure.

那你呢？

What about you?

你有没有遇到过这种情况？

Has that ever happened?

有，遇到过几次吧。

Yeah, it's happened a few times, I guess.

不过挺有意思的。

But it's interesting.

我觉得有时候读书很神奇，因为你可以自己在脑海里构建画面。

I think sometimes reading books is magical because you get to create the image in your head.

是的。

Yes.

所以，我确实觉得先读书再看电影会更好。

So, I do think it's better to start with reading the book and then seeing-

我同意。

I agree

再看电影，因为……

... the movie, because-

先读书。

Read the book first

……

...

我也不确定。

I don't know

完全同意。

Absolutely.

是的。

Yes.

不然的话，你脑子里就只有电影里看到的东西，

Otherwise, you just have what you saw in the film-

就没法那么有创意了，对吧？

... in your mind, and you're not able to be as creative, right?

没错。

Exactly.

那我们今天这期节目聊什么呢？

So, what are we talking about in today's episode?

我在《卫报》上看到一篇文章，讲的是你看的那部电影。

So, I saw this article in "The Guardian" about the film that you saw.

我们俩都看了《奥德赛》。

We both saw "The Odyssey."

可能很多人一两个月前就看过了，但有意思的是，那篇文章的标题是《诺兰的电影可能让〈奥德赛〉成为美国最抢手的书》。

And a lot of you probably saw it a couple of months ago, but what's fascinating is this article was titled, "Nolan's Film Could Make the Odyssey the Most Sought-After Book in the US."

啊。

Ah.

这真的很吸引人。

And it was fascinating.

文章里提到了一些细节，说这部电影让这本书的销量涨了好几倍——

It shared some details about how the film boosted book sales by several-

……涨了百分之几千。

... thousand percent.

百分之几千。

Thousand percent.

这个数字真是惊人。

That's some impressive numbers.

确实。

That is.

我很喜欢这一点。

And I loved this.

我们很多人高中或大学时都读过这本书。

A lot of us had to read it in high school or college.

你呢，Lindsay？

Did you, Lindsay?

你上学的时候读过那本书吗？

Did you read that book when you were in school?

是的，当然读过。

Yeah, of course.

好。

Yes.

应该是高中的时候。

I think in high school.

已经有一段时间了。

It's been a while.

对，而且我觉得很多听众，你们很多人也一样。

Yeah, and I have a feeling listeners out there, a lot of you same.

你们可能年轻的时候读过《奥德赛》。

You may have read "The Odyssey" when you were younger.

但我真的很好奇。

But I'm so curious.

我觉得有意思的是，很多人买这本书可能是因为年轻时读过，看完电影后又想再读一遍。

I think this is interesting how a lot of people buying this book probably read it when they were younger and then wanted to read it again after watching the film.

当然。

Of course.

或者他们之前没读过，这是第一次让他们觉得“哦，我想读这本书”。

Or maybe they hadn't read it, and this was the first time they were like, "Oh, I want to read this book."

也可能有人去看电影前又把书读了一遍。

Or maybe they read the book again a second time before going to the movie, too.

这也很有可能。

That could also be what happened.

确实。

Definitely.

是的。

Yes.

但我觉得很多人确实在高中读过这本书，他们觉得需要重温一下，因为对我来说——

But I think a lot of people did read it in high school, and they felt they needed a refresher because I know for me-

……已经过了很长时间，当我坐在电影院的时候，故事在我脑海里已经很模糊了。

... it had been a long time, and the story was very fuzzy in my head by the time I sat down in the movie theater.

是的。

Yes.

我也是。

Same.

电影里有些情节我会想：“书里有这个吗？”

There were things in the movie that I'm like, "Did this happen in the book?"

是的。

Yes.

我觉得我需要再读一遍这本书。

I think I need to read the book again.

是的。

Yes.

当然。

For sure.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

这挺有意思的。

This is interesting.

我们要稍微深入聊一下，因为这是个很好的话题。

We're going to dive into this a little bit because this is such a great conversation topic.

多有趣的话题，能让人产生共鸣。

What a fun thing to connect about.

你读过的那些让你想去看电影的书——

Books you have read that made you want to see the movie-

对

Yes

——或者反过来，你看过的让你想去读原著的电影。

... or vice versa, films you watch that make you want to read the book.

自从看了《奥德赛》之后，我和几个人聊过这个话题。

I've had a few conversations about this with people since watching-

……《奥德赛》。

... "The Odyssey."

对。

Yep.

我们想给你一些对话开场白，你可以用这些问题来用英语进行这场有趣的对话。

And we want to give you the conversation starters, the questions you could ask to have this very fun conversation in English.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

但在今天节目开始之前，大家，现在就去点关注按钮吧。

But before we go into all this in today's episode, guys, hit the follow button now.

我们让你点关注的原因是，这样我们的节目就能几乎每天出现在你的收听列表里。

The reason we want to ask you to hit follow is because this will get our show right into your listening queue on a nearly daily basis.

每周五天。

It's five days a week.

所以，如果你想直接进入收听队列，随时都在那里，我们发布新剧集时会提醒你收听。

So, if you want to drop right into the listening queue, be right there, and we'll remind you to listen when we publish a new episode.

那就去点一下关注按钮吧。

Go ahead and hit that follow button.

好吗？

All right?

是的，我喜欢这个。

Yes, love this.

那这会很有趣。

So this is going to be fun.

我们要分享一些其他电影，它们大大提升了图书销量。

We're going to share about some other films that greatly boosted book sales.

但关于《奥德赛》的一些细节，如果你还没看过这部电影，我们很好奇你是否喜欢它。

But for some details about "The Odyssey," if you haven't seen the film, we're curious if you liked it.

一定要回来看看今天的Spotify投票。

Definitely come back, check out the Spotify poll today.

我们想知道你喜欢这部电影吗。

We want to know if you liked this film.

它在全球都挺火的，对吧？

It was pretty popular worldwide, right?

是的。

Yes.

不过我也听到了一些不同的评价。

And I've heard some mixed reviews, though.

我私下跟Lindsay说了些我特别不喜欢的点。

I personally was telling Lindsay some of the things that I really didn't like.

好的。

Okay.

我特别讨厌他们用美国口音。

I really hated that they had American accents.

我不明白。

I don't understand.

如果这是古希腊……为什么我们说的是美国口音？

If this is ancient Greece- ... why do we have an American accent?

有一个场景，汤姆·霍兰德喊了一声“爸！”

There's a moment when Tom Holland says, "Dad!"

我当时就想，“什么？

And I'm like, "What?

不会吧。”

No."

说得有道理。

It's a fair point.

说得有道理。

It's a fair point.

有意思的是，很多关于古代文明的影视作品，通常都会用那种通用的英国口音。

And it's interesting because a lot of TV shows and films that are about ancient civilizations, they'll usually use this general British accent maybe.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

而且他们试图从中去掉某个地方，就像《权力的游戏》那样，对吧？

And they're trying to remove a certain place from it, like "Game of Thrones" or something like that, right?

但绝不可能是美国口音。

But it would never be American.

对，那说不通。

Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

所以这让我觉得奇怪。

So this felt strange to me.

这不常见，对吧？

This is not common, right?

他们很少会这样……尤其是其中几个演员还是英国人。

It's not often that they'll give... Especially where a couple of the actors were British.

汤姆·霍兰德和罗伯特·帕丁森都在假装美国口音。

Tom Holland and Robert Pattinson were both faking an American accent.

有意思。

Interesting.

那为什么不让马特·达蒙和安妮·海瑟薇假装英国口音呢？

So why not have Matt Damon and Anne Hathaway fake a British accent?

不，那真是个好——

No, that's a really good-

我很好奇他们是怎么选的。

I'm curious how they chose that.

我想听听制片人的说法，就——

I would like to hear from the producer, and just-

我也是。

Same

……或者克里斯托弗·诺兰来解释为什么做这个选择。

... or Christopher Nolan to understand why that choice was made.

咱们把克里斯托弗·诺兰请来播客吧——

Let's have Christopher Nolan on the podcast-

好，就这么定了。

All right, let's do it

……来告诉我们他为什么做那个决定。

... to tell us why he made that decision.

那就这么定了。

Let's do it.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

那还有哪些电影在历史上大幅提升了图书销量呢？

So what are some other films that boosted book sales historically?

对，我们来深入聊聊这个话题。

Yeah, let's dive into this.

我们找到了一份有趣的电影名单，这些电影都大幅提升了图书销量，因为这种情况经常发生，但有时候数字真的很大。

So we found a fun list of films that greatly boosted book sales, because this happens a lot, but sometimes it's really big numbers.

比如《哈利·波特》，《哈利·波特与魔法石》是2001年上映的，电影首映后，图书销量增长了两倍多。

So "Harry Potter," "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone," which came out in 2001, book sales more than tripled following the premiere of the movie.

这很有意思，因为那时候，我觉得几乎所有想读《哈利·波特》的人都已经读过了。

And this was interesting because, at that time, most everybody who was going to read "Harry Potter" had read "Harry Potter," I felt like.

所以有意思的是，图书销量还能增长这么多。

And so this is interesting that book sales would still increase by that much.

这确实很有意思。

That is really interesting.

所以这就是电影效应。

So it's the movie effect.

对，哇。

Yeah, wow.

或者《火星救援》，我漏掉了这个，2015年的。

Or "The Martian," which I missed this one, back in 2015.

这是一部科幻电影，它带动了很多销量。

It's a sci-fi film, and it propelled a lot of sales.

是的。

Yes.

比如带动了安迪·威尔的自行出版——

Like propelled Andy Weir's self-published-

……变成了畅销书。

... turned bestseller.

所以他是作者，这很有意思——

So he's the author, and this was interesting-

……因为他当时是自费出版的。

... because he was self-published.

《火星救援》——

"The Martian"-

……他先在亚马逊上出版，后来被改编成电影，由马特·达蒙主演。

... he published on Amazon, and then it was picked up as this film with Matt Damon.

林赛，如果你还没看过《火星救援》，你一定要看。

If you haven't seen "The Martian," Lindsay, you've got to see it.

这部电影太棒了。

It's fantastic.

我会去看的。

I will.

我强烈推荐这部电影。

I highly recommend this film.

哦，有意思。

Oh, interesting.

然后在那之后，他又写了新的一部。

And then after that, he wrote the new one.

我怎么想不起来名字了？

Why can't I think of it?

我经常提到它的。

I talk about it all the time.

嗯。

Uh.

也是瑞恩·高斯林主演的。

Also with Ryan Gosling.

算了。

Anyway.

好的。

Okay.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我经常提起这部电影。

I talk about it all the time.

我不知道，奥布里。

I don't know, Aubrey.

也许你看过吧。

Maybe you're there.

而且你可能还没看过。

And you probably still haven't seen it.

和《洛奇》一起，但那是——

With "Rocky," but it's-

可能还没看过。

Probably haven't seen it

……就像新的《E.T.》一样。

... like the new "E.T."

没看过。

Haven't seen it.

有意思的是我想不起来，听众朋友们在家——

It's funny that I can't think of it, and listeners at home-

不

No

……就会说：“真的吗，奥布里？”

... are like, "Really, Aubrey?"

《火星救援》，我想起来了。

"Project Hail Mary," I came up with it.

好的。

Okay.

聊得太多了。

Talking about it so much.

好的，太好了。

Okay, great.

这两本都是他写的。

He wrote both of these.

好的。

Okay.

两本书都很棒，改编的电影也很棒。

Both excellent books, excellent films.

明白了。

Got it.

不过确实，之后销量大涨，这很有意思。

But yeah, the sales boosted after, and this was fascinating.

一本自出版的书能成为这样的畅销书，这很少见——

This is rare that a book that's self-published would become such a bestseller-

……

...

而且电影也这么受欢迎。

and be such a popular film as well.

嗯，有意思。

Hmm, interesting.

然后《五十度灰》也是在2015年上映的。

And then "Fifty Shades of Grey" also came out back in 2015.

这在当时可是个超级流行的文化现象，对吧？

This was kind of a super popular phenomenon in our culture, right?

对。

Yes.

呃——

Uh-

而这部小说的销量飙升了738%——

And the sales for the novel surged by 738%-

……在电影首映前的那一周。

... in the week leading up to the film's debut.

我其实在听一个关于《消失的爱人》这本书的播客，他们——

I was actually listening to a podcast about the book "Gone Girl," and they-

——大概是在同一时间出来的，《消失的爱人》和《五十度灰》。

... were, I guess they both came out at about the same time, "Gone Girl" and "Fifty Shades of Grey."

好的。

Okay.

播客里的人聊得特别有意思，他们说这两本书在很多方面真的改变了文学。

And the people on this podcast, it was fascinating, they were talking about how that really changed literature in a lot of ways.

哦。

Oh.

这两本书里有一些东西，在它们之前并不——

There are some things in those two books that weren't-

——没那么流行，但之后涌现了大量类似的书，某种程度上改变了一些类型。

... as popular before those books, and then there was this rush of so many books available that sort of changed some genres.

你是说在故事里发生的那些事，所以电影和书里——

Do you mean in the story that happened, and so in the movie and the book-

是的

Yes

或者——

... or-

是的，而且这有点棘手。

Yes, and it's tricky.

好的。

Okay.

我只是没——

I just didn't-

我有点不想说，因为任何——

I kind of don't want to say because anything-

好的

Okay

……

...

我要是说了，真的会剧透《消失的爱人》的。

I could say would really spoil "Gone Girl-"

当然。

Sure

……如果这里还有没读过这本书的人。

... if anyone out there hasn't read it-

对，我最近刚看了电影。

Yeah, I just saw the movie recently

……或者没看过电影的人。

... or seen the film.

对，就是那种，如果你把书里那些出人意料、与众不同的地方说出来，

Yeah, it's one of those things where if you share what was so surprising and different in that book-

明白。

Okay

……那你再去看的时候就没意思了，对吧？

... then you read it and it's spoiled, right?

好的，明白了。

Okay, got it.

那我们就不分享了。

Then we won't share it.

好，就这么办。

Let's do it, yeah.

我们就让听众自己去读这本书吧。

We'll just let our listeners go out and read the book.

但可以说，这些书里有一些开创性的东西——

But suffice it to say that there were some groundbreaking things-

尤其是《消失的爱人》，但它们之间有关联，就是——

... in these books, especially "Gone Girl," but they were related, that-

现在这种写法在书里已经比较常见了。

... now it's a little more common in a book.

你更容易预料到情节的发展。

You see it coming a little more.

好的，知道了。

Okay, good to know.

然后是《饥饿游戏》——

And then "The Hunger Games"-

那部很精彩。

It's a good one

2012年，大热片，对吧？

... 2012, huge hit, right?

但同样，人们在那之前和之后都读了书。

But also, people read the book before and after.

没错，对吧？

Exactly, right?

所以这部电影确实也大大促进了书的销量，而且我们很多人都在电影上映前读过原著。

So this film also really boosted sales for the books, and a lot of us had read the books before the films came out.

但我看得出这些电影确实很吸引人，所以很多人看完后会想“哦，我得读读这本书”，这并不让我意外。

But I could see these films were really entertaining, so this doesn't surprise me that a lot of people would watch it and be like, "Oh, I need to read this book."

是的，当然。

Yeah, for sure.

然后，当然，还有经典的《阿甘正传》，1994年的。

And then, of course, good old "Forrest Gump," 1994.

那是它上映的时间吗？

Is that when that came out?

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

对。

Yes.

真不可思议。

It's crazy.

想想都觉得不可思议。

That's crazy to think about that.

感觉就像昨天一样。

Feels like yesterday.

你读过《阿甘正传》这本书吗？

Have you read the book, "Forrest Gump?"

你读过那本书吗？

Have you read the book?

我还没读过。

I haven't.

你呢？

Have you?

没有，其实我没读过。

No, I haven't actually.

也许我该读一读。

Maybe I need to.

不，我超爱那部电影。

No. I love the movie.

它是我最喜欢的电影之一。

It's one of my favorites.

但是大家，听听我们现在的对话。

But guys, just listen to our conversation here.

这种情况很常见，你问别人：“你看过这部电影吗？”

This is very common, that you ask someone, "Have you seen the movie?"

“哦，没有，但我读过这本书。”

"Oh, no, but I read the book."

这是母语者之间非常常见的话题。

Very common topic of conversation between native speakers.

对吧？

Okay?

确实。

Definitely.

绝对是这样。

Absolutely.

听懂英语和参与英语对话之间有很大的区别。

There's a big difference between understanding English and participating in English.

理解意味着你能跟上对话。

Understanding means you follow the conversation.

参与则是通过加入自己的想法、自然回应，并让对话继续下去。

You participate by adding your ideas, reacting naturally, and keeping the conversation moving.

很多英语学习者听力很好，但开口时却犹豫不决。

Many English learners are strong listeners, but hesitant speakers.

一旦你知道了自己目前的流利度水平，缩小这个差距就容易多了。

Once you know your current fluency level, it becomes much easier to close that gap.

参加我们免费的2分钟小测验，了解你的水平以及接下来该重点提升什么。

Take our free two-minute quiz to discover your level and what to focus on next.

访问 allersenglish.com/fluencyscore。

Go to allersenglish.com/fluencyscore.

就是 allersenglish.com/F-L-U-E-N-C-Y-S-C-O-R-E。

That's allersenglish.com/F-L-U-E-N-C-Y-S-C-O-R-E.

好的，Aubrey，那有哪些开场问题可以用来开启对话呢？

All right, Aubrey, so what are some opening questions to start a conversation then?

对。

Yes.

这个话题聊起来真有意思，但你是怎么开启一段对话的呢？

This is such a fun conversation, but how do you start that conversation, right?

所以，你可以问一些很棒的问题。

So, some great questions you could ask.

比如我们在节目开头问的那个问题：有没有哪部电影让你想去看原著？

The one we asked at the top of the episode, has a film ever made you want to read the book?

很多人都会有答案。

And a lot of people will have an answer.

或者他们可能需要想一下。

Or it might take them a second to think of something.

但我觉得，对于我们要分享的所有问题，你自己最好也有个答案，因为有可能对方会说“没有”或者“嗯，我得想想”。

But for all of the questions we're going to share, I think it's important to have your own answer, because there is a chance that someone will be like, "No," or, "Huh, I would have to think about that.

你呢？

What about you?"

然后如果你也说……“我也不知道。”

And then if you also are like- ... "No, I don't know either."

那有点奇怪。

It's kind of weird.

所以你得有个想法。

So have an idea.

通常你问一个问题，是因为你想聊这个话题，所以你会有比较明确的看法。

Usually when you ask a question, you'll want to talk about this topic, so you'll have a pretty firm opinion.

大家一定要准备好。

Make sure you do, guys.

当然。

Definitely.

第二个问题，你有没有看过根据书改编的电影，但故事被改得你不喜欢？

And then the second one, have you ever seen a film based on a book where they changed the story in a way you didn't like?

或者就是他们改了故事，然后你可以问：“你觉得怎么样？”

Or just maybe just where they changed the story, and then you could say, "What did you think about that?"

对，确实。

Yeah, definitely.

因为也许你觉得它是个——

Because maybe you did like, maybe you thought it was an-

……改进。

... improvement.

或者也许你觉得它……

Or maybe you thought it...

但这是个有趣的话题，我觉得每个人对此都有很强的看法。

But this is an interesting conversation, and I feel like everyone has really strong opinions about this.

他们读过一本书——

They've read a book-

是的

Yes

……然后它被改编成电影或电视剧，有些地方他们真的很讨厌。

... and then it was developed into a film or a TV show, and something about it they really hated.

所以这就让对话变得很有意思。

So this makes for interesting conversations.

第三个问题是什么，奥布里？

What's the third question, Aubrey?

第三，你可以说，你读过哪本书，希望它被改编成电影？

Third, you could say, what is a book you've read that you'd like to see made into a movie?

我觉得每个人对这个问题的回答都会很有趣。

And I feel like everyone's going to have an interesting answer to this.

我们都读过一些很棒的书，很惊讶它们还没被改编成电影。

We've all read these amazing books that we're shocked haven't yet been picked up and made into a film.

完全同意。

Absolutely.

真的很棒。

Really good.

所以，朋友们，别回避这类对话。

So guys, yeah, don't shy away from these kinds of conversations.