AEE 第18集：为什么美国人正在卖车买自行车以省钱

这是《All Ears English》播客第18期。

This is an All Ears English Podcast episode 18.

为什么美国人正在卖车、买自行车来省钱。

Why Americans are selling cars and buying bikes to save money.

欢迎收听《All Ears English》播客，在这里你终于能听到真实的母语者对话，提升英语能力，应对工作和生活。

Welcome to the All Ears English Podcast where you'll finally get real native English conversation and fluency for business and life.

我们相信，学英语的关键在于交流，而不是完美。

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接下来是你们的主持人：英语冒险家林赛·麦马洪，和来自纽约的电台女孩米歇尔·卡普兰，她们今天从波士顿和纽约为大家带来节目。

Now here are your hosts, Lindsey McMahon, the English adventurer, and Michelle Kaplan, the New York radio girl coming to you from Boston and New York City, USA.

美国人现在改用其他交通方式了吗？还是依然离不开心爱的汽车？

Are Americans using other forms of transportation, or are we still stuck on our beloved cars?

一起来看看美国城市里的出行趋势，再对比一下你们国家的情况。

Find out what the trends are in transportation in American cities and how your country compares.

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嘿，米歇尔。

Hey, Michelle.

我们又回到话筒前了。

We are back on the mic.

很高兴能回来。

Happy to be here.

今天纽约市一切都还好吗？

How's everything in New York City today?

一切都挺好的。

Everything is good.

一切都挺好的。

Everything is good.

有点下雨，不过没关系。

A little bit rainy, but that's okay.

没关系。

That's okay.

我知道。

I know.

嗯，有点像是——

There's, like,

东海岸那边正在刮飓风，是吧？

a hurricane going on there, isn't there, on the East Coast?

本来也不太清楚会怎样，有点积水，不过托个福，情况还算稳定。

Kinda didn't know what to expect, but a little flooding, but knock on wood, things are okay.

现在还是时不时在下雨。

It's just still kinda rainy.

哇哦。

Wow.

这也太夸张了。

That is insane.

各位，今天我们要聊一个特别有意思的话题。

Well, guys, we're gonna get into an interesting topic today.

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But before we start, I wanna make sure you go ahead right now and hit follow on the All Ears English Podcast.

我们每周更新四期，可别错过任何一期。

We publish four days a week for you guys, and we wanna make sure you don't miss a single episode.

对吧，米歇尔？

Right, Michelle?

没错。

That's right.

就是这样。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

很高兴你在这里。

We are happy to have you here.

今天我们要聊一个特别有意思的话题，主要是关于出行和交通方式。

So today, we are talking about a very interesting topic dealing with, really, I'll say transportation, getting around.

对。

Yeah.

美国的交通状况，以及如何

Transportation in The US and how

正在发生变化。

it's changing.

对吧？

Right?

还有这背后对美国文化的影响，以及美国文化正在如何改变。

And also what this means for American culture and how American culture is changing.

就说我自己在波士顿，最近发现越来越多的人骑自行车上班，尤其是剑桥那边。

I mean, you know, for me in Boston, I've been noticing a lot more people are biking these days to get to work, especially in Cambridge, Mass.

对。

Yes.

他们骑车去哈佛。

You know, they're biking to Harvard.

骑车去麻省理工。

They're biking to MIT.

骑车去肯德尔广场那些科技和科研公司。

They're biking to the the tech and and science companies in in Kendall Square.

明白吧？

Okay?

是的。

Yeah.

我看到这种情况越来越多，因为停车贵，也没人愿意堵在路上。

I'm seeing a lot of that because parking is expensive, and it's no one wants to sit in traffic.

对吧，米歇尔？

Right, Michelle?

没错。

Right.

对。

Right.

是啊。

Right.

我觉得我们都挺讨厌堵车的。

I think we all just kinda hate traffic.

没错。

Yeah.

确实如此。

I mean True.

我住在城里，所以平时走路或者坐地铁。

I I live in, you know, the city, so I walk, you know, I take trains.

是的。

Yeah.

但我几乎从不坐车。

But I I very rarely am in a car.

对。

Right.

你有没有在纽约骑过自行车？

So have you ever biked in New York?

你有没有在纽约体验过通勤骑车？

Have you ever done the commuter bike situation in New York?

我想问的就是这个。

That's my question.

没有。

No.

我有点害怕骑自行车。

I have a fear of riding a bike.

好的。

Okay.

我喜欢在家骑健身车。

So I like ride a stationary bike.

明白了。

Okay.

行。

Alright.

健身车啊。

A stationary bike.

所以你就在家用Peloton骑车，但从不骑真车出去。我以前住在波士顿和纽约，波士顿我骑过，虽然挺吓人的，但纽约我绝对不骑。

So you stay in your house with a Peloton, but not not biking in So I would I've lived in Boston and New York, and I'd say I've biked in Boston, although it's scary, but I would never bike in New York.

是的。

Yeah.

我其实也想骑车。

I I I would bike.

我得像泡在枕头堆里才行。

You I would have to be, like, in just like a sea of pillows.

当然，在枕头堆里也没法骑车。

And, of course, you can't bike in a sea of pillows.

不过那确实是我理想中的骑车环境。

Like, I so but that would be my ideal biking situation.

除此之外，在纽约绝对不行。

But other than that, no way in New York.

我有

I have

在纽约，他们想好好教教我。我有个朋友骑车特别厉害，他说可以让我在他家附近骑一会儿。

a New York they wanna teach me well, I have a friend who's a really good biker, and he said that I could ride around his neighborhood a little bit.

那就看看吧。

So we'll see.

好的。

Okay.

他住的那片区域。

His neighborhood.

意思是曼哈顿或者布鲁克林吗？

So meaning Manhattan, Brooklyn?

不是。

No.

他住在郊区。

He he he lives in a suburb.

所以。

So

明白了。

Okay.

原来如此。

Okay.

那倒是更好。

So that's better.

我想象你现在裹着一堆枕头，米歇尔。

I'm picturing you, like, wrapping yourself in pillows, Michelle.

是的。

Yeah.

或者我觉得，泡泡膜也不错。

Or, like, I think a bubble yeah.

就是那种气泡包装膜。

Bubble bubble wrap.

这太搞笑了。

That's hilarious.

别忘了戴头盔。

Don't forget the helmet.

对吧？

Right?

哦，绝对不会忘。

Oh, never.

是的。

Yeah.

但说实话，朋友们，这在美国正成为一种趋势，有些城市比其他地方更明显。

But, I mean, guys, this is a trend that's happening in The US, and certain cities are seeing it more than others.

我觉得只有疯子才会在纽约骑自行车，毕竟那里的车都特别凶猛。

I think only the crazies will bike in New York just because, you know, the cars are aggressive in New York.

街上到处都是行人。

There are, you know, walkers everywhere.

但波士顿、丹佛这些地方，我注意到越来越多的人在玩滑板车。

But Boston, Denver you know, in Denver, what I'm seeing is more people are actually scooting.

他们真的在玩滑板车。

They are scooting.

米歇尔，你小时候有滑板车吗？

Michelle, did you have a scooter when you were a kid?

我没有，但我儿子现在有一辆。

I didn't, but my son has a scooter now.

好的。

Okay.

滑板车最棒了。

Scooters are the best.

我小时候没玩过滑板车，现在倒是可以好好享受一辆了。

I didn't really have a scooter when I was a kid, and now I feel like I get to have my scooter.

你知道的。

You know?

现在有些共享项目。

So there are these programs.

对吧，米歇尔？

Right, Michelle?

那些是什么项目？

What are they?

有点像网约车那种共享模式。

They're kind of like they're they're share programs similar to the rideshare.

这些到底是怎么回事？

What's going on with these?

没错。

Right.

对。

Yeah.

简单说，我觉得可能是通过一个应用程序来操作的。

Well, basically, I think it's, like, works maybe through an app.

对。

Yeah.

你登录之后就能租用，用完了可以停在另一个地方。

And you, like, get to borrow you, like, sign in and then you get to borrow it and then drop it off in another location.

我没用过，但知道特别流行。

I've never done it, but I know they're very popular.

对。

Yeah.

这种系统既适用于自行车，也适用于电动滑板车。

It works for bikes and it works for for scooters.

几年前我去芝加哥的时候，我和朋友租了这种自行车，玩得特别开心。

I remember when I visited Chicago a few years ago, my friend and I just had an absolute blast renting these bikes.

车子有点重。

They're a little heavy.

骑起来费劲，速度也快不起来。

They're hard to bike, but you can't go very fast on them.

确实挺重的。

They're heavy.

你知道的，就是那种感觉。

They're you know?

但你可以随便在城里到处骑。

But you just go all over the city.

不用操心自己的车会被偷，这点很方便。

You don't have to worry because you don't have to worry about your own bike getting stolen.

你用完随便一停，想用的时候再取出来就行。

You just drop it off and then take it back out.

这办法真不错。

It's great.

没错。

Right.

没错。

Right.

没错。

Right.

太棒了。

That's awesome.

是的。

Yeah.

所以啊，我觉得总的来说，各个城市的情况差别可大了。

So, guys, I think that in general, a lot of I mean, well, cities are totally different.

我的意思是，我觉得郊区根本看不到车。

I mean, I'm gonna say that there are no cars in the suburbs.

我的看法是，这完全看你住在哪里。

I mean, I think it just depends on where you live.

但在城市里，出行方式确实在变，比如现在有很多新办法，不管你愿不愿意坐地铁、开车或者打车，都能找到别的出行方式。

But in the cities, things are definitely changing as far as, like, you know, creating new innovative ways for people to get around that aren't like, if you don't wanna take the train, if you don't wanna drive in a car or take a cab, whatever, that you can, you know, get around in other ways.

是的。

Yeah.

变化确实很明显。

Things are definitely changing.

有些城市比其他地方更有创新性。

I think certain cities are more innovative than others.

有些城市已经在为未来做规划了。

Certain cities are trying to plan for the future.

米歇尔，你觉得二十五年后的典型美国城市会是什么样子？

I mean, Michelle, how do you see the typical American city in twenty five years, let's say?

我是说，你觉得通勤会是什么样子？

I mean, how do you see the commute?

大家还是像以前那样开车，还是更多人选择滑板、骑车，或者其他方式，这两者之间的比例大概会是怎么样的？

What's the balance between people still driving their cars the old school way versus people scooting, biking, maybe something else?

你觉得

What do

呢？

you think?

你是说那种特别典型的大城市吗？

Talking like real, real city?

对。

Yeah.

咱们聊聊曼哈顿吧，因为我知道像曼哈顿和波士顿这些地方，都在关闭一些主要街道和大道，把空间腾出来给其他通勤方式。

Let's talk about Manhattan because I know that places like Manhattan and Boston, you know, they've been closing down major major streets, major avenues for to give more space to other ways to commute.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

确实如此。

That's true.

我见过一些街道被封闭了，要么改成仅供行人通行的空间。

Like, I I have seen streets that are closed, like, or they might be more for pedestrians either or Pedestrians

还有骑车的。

too.

没错。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

比如行人广场之类的。

Like pedestrian plazas, things like that.

我觉得这方面确实正在发生变化。

So I do think that there is a shift in that way.

随着这些共享项目越来越流行，我觉得这种趋势还会继续下去。

And I think as more of these sharing programs become popular, I think it's just gonna continue that way.

也许汽车交通会稍微缓解一些，但我觉得这类东西只会越来越多。

I mean, maybe there'll be a little less congestion as far as like traffic goes with cars and things But like I think I think that there will just be more of all this.

是的。

Yeah.

我在想，会不会以后电动滑板车更多了？我记得去东南亚，比如越南，甚至意大利，到处都是电动滑板车。

I mean, I wonder if we'll have more scooters because I know when I go to Southeast Asia, like Vietnam or even Italy, for example, there's just scooters everywhere.

人人都骑那种小车，看着特别有趣，但在那种地方过马路，尤其是越南，真的挺吓人的。

Everyone's, know, riding those little bikes, which looks like so much fun, but crossing the street in places like that, especially Vietnam.

太吓人了，米歇尔。

Oh, it's so scary, Michelle.

真的太吓人了。

It's so scary.

没错。

Right.

确实。

Right.

对啊。

Right.

我知道。

I know.

这挺有意思的。

I mean, it's interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

我去阿姆斯特丹的时候，人人都在骑自行车。

When I I know when I went to Amsterdam, there was so you know, everybody was riding a bike.

对。

Yes.

有时候我会想，天哪。

And sometimes I think like, oh gosh.

要是我得搬到那种地方，大家全都骑自行车，我可怎么办。

Like, if I had to move somewhere like that where I was like, hey.

人人都骑车，我要是不会骑，真要命。

Everybody was riding a bike and I couldn't oh my gosh.

不过在纽约，虽然骑车的人也不少，但要说像其他城市那样人人骑车，或者像 scooter 那样普及，我还真不这么觉得。

But like, in New York still, it's not I I would still say them a you know, there are a lot of bikers, but I wouldn't say it's like, oh, everyone's riding a bike in the same way as some other cities or scooters certainly.

但我认为这种情况是有可能发展的。

But I think that I think that could develop.

确实有可能发展，米歇尔。

It could develop, Michelle.

我的意思是，在纽约，地铁始终是，也永远会是最重要的出行方式。

I mean, I think in New York, the train still does and always will dominate.

毕竟最方便嘛。

It's just the most convenient way.

纽约地铁的覆盖范围比波士顿的MTA广多了。

The New York City subway spreads to more places than, for example, the Boston MTA does.

相比大多数城市，它确实方便太多了。

It's just a lot more convenient than most cities.

丹佛连地铁都没有。

Denver doesn't even have a subway.

他们有轻轨，但线路少得可怜，根本通不了几处地方。

They have a light rail, but it really doesn't go anywhere.

所以在纽约，出行全靠地铁。

So in New York, it's all about the subway.

但我们还是个以汽车为主导的社会。

But we're still such a car centric culture.

没错。

Right.

没错。

Right.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

没错。

Exactly.

我觉得，其他地方也不会有啥改变。

And that's not gonna change for, you know, other parts of the country, I don't think.

所以啊，关键还是得看怎么平衡。

So, you know, you gotta it's it's it's that mix.

得有来有往，互相妥协。

Little back and forth, little give and take.

我觉得，世界其他地方在这方面的做法比美国更先进。

I think the rest of the world is ahead of The United States on this.

这得归功于亨利·福特。

We can thank Henry Ford for that.

你懂的吧。

You know?

我是说，美国当初的布局，根本就是围绕着工程、制造和汽车产业设计的。

I mean, the way they set up the The United States really was all about engineering, manufacturing a a car industry.

对吧。

Right?

他们修了那么多高速公路和州际公路，就是为了让人买汽车。

They built these huge freeways, interstates so that people would buy cars.

这个话题我们可以在另一期再细聊，但正因如此，我们到现在还是对汽车这么依赖，汽车已经深深融入了美国人的生活方式。

And we can go into this in another episode, but that's why we're we're still so attached to our cars and so much of our lives is built around the car in American culture.

是的。

Right.

是的。

Right.

是的。

Right.

是的

Yeah.

天哪

Oh my gosh.

这个话题真有意思

Very interesting topic.

讨论起来特别有收获

It's really good to discuss.

对

Yeah.

太棒了

Really good stuff.

所以，各位，下一期我们会教你们一些相关的词汇，方便你们讨论这些内容

So, guys, in the next episode, we're actually gonna talk about a little vocab that we're gonna give you to talk about these things.

明白吗

Alright?

接下来这一集我们再稍微跟进一下。

So a little bit of a follow-up episode.

记得马上去看下一集，点关注或者订阅，确保你每周能收到四期《All Ears English》。

So make sure you go immediately to that next episode and hit follow or subscribe or whatever you need to do to make sure you get All Ears English four days a week.

对吧，米歇尔？

Right, Michelle?

太让人期待了。

So exciting.

没错。

Exactly.

天哪，林赛。

Oh my gosh, Lindsay.

今天聊得真开心，各位。

This was fun, guys.

大家再见，我们下集见。

Have a good one, and we'll see you in the next episode.

好了，米歇尔。

Alright, Michelle.

保重。

Take care.

再见。

Bye.

好的。

Alright.

再见。

Bye.

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