AEE 第23期：美国“常春藤盟校”究竟意味着什么

这是《All Ears English》播客第23期。

This is an All Ears English Podcast episode 23.

美国常春藤盟校到底意味着什么。

What Ivy League University in America really means.

欢迎收听《All Ears English》播客，在这里，你将真正听到地道的英语对话，提升商务和生活中的英语流利度。

Welcome to the All Ears English Podcast where you'll finally get real native English conversation and fluency for business and life.

我们在学英语这件事上，更看重的是交流，而不是完美。

We believe in connection, not perfection when it comes to learning English.

接下来是你们的主持人：英语冒险家琳赛·麦马洪，和来自纽约的广播女孩米歇尔·卡普兰，他们从波士顿和纽约为大家带来本期节目。

Now here are your hosts, Lindsay McMahon, the English adventurer, and Michelle Kaplan, the New York Radio Girl coming to you from Boston and New York City, USA.

今天，教你四个地道的英语表达，让你能跟母语者深入聊聊申请美国大学的事。

Today, get four real native English phrases to have a robust conversation about applying to college in The US with a native speaker.

不管你喜不喜欢，英语都会影响你的评价，无论是开会、面试，还是谈判。

English is part of how you're evaluated, whether you like it or not, in meetings, in interviews, in negotiations.

关键不在于你的英语够不够好。

The question isn't whether your English is okay or good enough.

关键是它是否对你有用。

It's whether it's working for you.

它有没有帮你拿到应得的晋升和加薪？

Is it getting you the promotions and the salary raises that you deserve?

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If not, this is the year to do something about it.

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Take the quiz now for free at allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

网址是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

嘿，林赛。

Hey, Lindsay.

你最近怎么样？

How are you?

嗨，米歇尔。

Hey, Michelle.

我挺好的。

Doing well.

你怎么样？

How are you?

我很好。

I'm good.

我很好。

I'm good.

我对今天的话题特别期待。

I'm excited about today's topic.

这一定会很有趣。

This is gonna be fun.

我知道。

I know.

这肯定会很棒。

This is gonna be great.

我的意思是，昨天，在第22期里，我们聊了怎么申请美国大学。

I mean, yesterday, guys, in episode 22, we talked about how to get accepted at a university in The US.

我们给了你们三个实用的建议。

We gave you three tips on how to do that.

米歇尔，你有没有回想过那段日子？就是你提交申请、天天等录取信的时候，每天都去信箱看，盼着是厚信封还是薄信封？

Michelle, do you ever just kinda think back to that period of time when you you submitted your application and you were going through that whole waiting for the letters, going to the mailbox every day, and checking for the thick or thin envelope?

我记得申请过程特别清楚，后来我被马里兰大学录取了，那天我跟我爸在一起，看到结果的那一刻。

Yes, I remember the application process quite well and I remember I went to University of Maryland and when I got in I remember I was with my dad and I saw it.

其实是网上公布的，我特别激动。

It actually popped up online I was very excited.

我那时候被录取，应该还是没电子邮件的年代吧。

I think when I was accepted there were, it was like pre email days or something.

我确实也收到过纸质的录取通知，但那个结果我也是在网上先看到的。

I also got some acceptances in the mail but I remember that was also online.

我觉得那时候他们可能两种方式都在用。

I think they were like, maybe they were doing both at that time.

我不太确定。

I don't know.

可能两种都有。

Maybe both.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我记得我那时候也收到了通知。

I remember getting mine too.

特别兴奋，就觉得这地方真的适合我。

Just being excited and feeling like I knew the right place for me.

就是那种你买到一条牛仔裤，刚好合身得不得了的时候。

It's kinda when you get, like, a pair of jeans that just fits perfectly.

对吧？

Right?

贴合得就像戴手套一样。

It fits like a glove.

感觉就是正确的选择。

It feels like the right choice.

就像在对的时间做了对的事。

Just like the right thing at the right time.

太棒了。

Awesome.

所以今天我们要聊的就是这个。

So today, we're getting into this.

对吧？

Right?

米歇尔，今天我们聊点什么来继续这个话题？

Michelle, what are we talking about today to extend this conversation?

是的。

Yeah.

我们今天要聊聊常春藤盟校。

Well, we're gonna be talking about the Ivy League schools.

对。

Mhmm.

没错。

Yeah.

这太有意思了。

This is so interesting.

我猜我们的听众肯定都听说过。

I bet our listeners have heard this.

对吧？

Right?

‘常春藤联盟’这个词是什么意思？

This term Ivy League?

没错。

Right.

没错。

Right.

没错。

Right.

所以，常春藤联盟，我觉得它其实就是顶尖大学的代名词。

So, yeah, Ivy League, I mean, I think of this as, like, the the kind of kind of the top.

对吧？

Right?

但实际上，这个词最初是来自体育的。

But it actually comes from sports.

是这样吧，琳达？

Right, Lindsay?

是的。

Yeah.

这真有意思。

It's so interesting.

如果你查维基百科，这其实是个挺常见的冷知识——‘常春藤联盟’最初是源于体育联盟，它们的共同点就是同属一个体育联盟。

If you look up in the Wikipedia article, and this is kind of common known sort of trivia, sorry, that Ivy League was originally the term was originally came from the sports conference, the athletic conference that and that's what they share in common is they're in the same sports conference.

但后来这个词的含义扩展了，不再只是指体育，而是有了完全不同的意思。

But then it's kind of extended to mean something completely different beyond just sports.

对吧，米歇尔？

Right, Michelle?

从文化上来说，它到底意味着什么？

So what does it actually mean culturally speaking?

它代表某种层次，其实今天我们就要教一个表达——那就是某种声望。

It's like a certain level, like, it's like a well, this is actually one of the expressions we'll teach today, which is a certain level of prestige.

什么是声望呢，林赛？

What is prestige, Lindsay?

哦，声誉。

Oh, prestige.

‘声誉’这个词挺有意思的。

So prestige is a fun word.

说起来还挺顺口的。

It's fun to say.

它指的是在学术严谨性和声望方面出类拔萃、与众不同。

It means exceptional and standing apart in in terms of rigor, academic rigor, reputation.

对吧？

Right?

声誉高的学校，可不是那么容易进的。

So something that has a high level of prestige is not an easy school to get into.

哈佛大学，肯定不是随便就能录取的，对吧，Michelle？

Harvard, by no means, is easy, right, Michelle, to get accepted at?

对，没错，就是这样。

Right, right, exactly.

这些学校大家都觉得是顶尖的，你知道的。

So these schools are kinda known as, you know, being, you know, the top, you know?

它们非常优秀，很多人都想进去，也正因为如此而闻名。

They're very, good, and, you know, people really wanna get into them, and they're well known for that.

也许它们培养了很多知名人士。

Maybe they have a lot of, like, famous people who've graduated from there.

当然，哈佛就有很多这样的校友。

I mean, certainly Harvard has its fair share.

是的。

Yeah.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

很多总统都是从哈佛或者耶鲁毕业的吧？

Pretty much many of the presidents have either graduated from, what, Harvard, Yale?

我总觉得，提到顶尖学府，总是绕不开哈佛和耶鲁。

I feel like Harvard or Yale are the always the big ones that I hear.

我知道小布什。

I know George W.

布什上的是耶鲁。

Bush went to Yale.

我肯定奥巴马是在哈佛读的法学院。

I'm pretty sure Obama went to law school at Harvard.

他们这些人全都是常春藤毕业的，对吧？

I mean, they've all been to the the Ivy's.

对吧？

Right?

我刚查了哈佛2020年的录取率。

And I just looked up Harvard acceptance rate in 2020.

就是2020年那会儿。

Oh, in 2020.

我是说，最近几年都是这样。

I mean, so in the last few years.

对吧？

Right?

一般来说，哈佛的录取率大约是4.5%。

In general, the Harvard acceptance rate is around 4.5%.

这其实比我想象中高。

That's actually higher than I thought.

这其实比我想象中高。

That's actually higher than I thought.

我以为大概在1%到2%之间。

I thought it was closer to one to 2%.

我没申请哈佛，但我知道自己肯定申请不上。

Did not apply to Harvard, but I know I would not have

确实，我根本没那个打算。

done that.

我从来就没想过要申请，这也没什么好惭愧的。

I never I I wouldn't have no shame in that.

没关系。

It's okay.

其实就是那么一类人，他们也会找那些在某些特定领域有深厚专长的人，比如长笛，或者音乐、舞蹈、烹饪之类的任何技能。

It's, you know, just a certain kind of person, and they also look for people that have very deep talents in certain areas like the flute or, I don't know, certain things, music, dance, cooking, whatever it is.

所以，米歇尔，我们今天为什么要教这些表达给我们的听众呢？

So anyways, Michelle, why are we learning these phrases today for our listeners?

这些表达很有用，能让你在聊天中谈论大学，特别是常春藤盟校。

Guys, these are useful to be able to talk about universities, to be able to talk about Ivy League, you know, specifically even in conversation.

所以你看，这也是个不错的聊天话题。

So there you know, this is a good connection topic as well.

没错。

Exactly.

你们回头再听一遍昨天的第22期节目，把内容消化一下，把这些表达记下来，然后去找母语者聊聊常春藤盟校，聊聊美国的大学。

So you guys should go back again, listen to yesterday's episode 22, get that content, and then write these down, and then go and have a conversation with a native speaker about the Ivy League, about colleges in The US.

第一个是，米歇尔，还是

So the first one is, again, Michelle, it's

常春藤联盟

Ivy League.

所以

So

就是这样了。

there we go.

接下来我们还要跟母语者聊哪个表达呢？

And so what's the next one that we need to talk about this with a native speaker?

好的。

Okay.

这个其实包含两个意思在里头。

Well, this one, it's kinda two wrapped into one.

你可以说‘竞争激烈’，或者‘非常残酷’。

So you could say cutthroat or competitive.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yes.

这是什么意思？

What does this mean?

对。

Yeah.

我的意思是，想进去可没那么容易。

I mean, they're com they're it's not easy to get in.

想申请的人很多，但名额却很少。

A lot of people are trying for not that many spots.

所以‘cutthroat’这个词，其实就是一种更激烈的说法，意思跟‘竞争激烈’差不多。

And so cutthroat, it basically is a nice it it it's very well, it's like a very intense way of saying competitive.

对。

Yeah.

非常激烈的说法。

Very intense way.

对吧？

Right?

有些事情真是竞争激烈。

Something is cutthroat.

所以这其实是个形容词。

So it's kind of an adjective.

这确实是个形容词。

It is an adjective.

对吧，米歇尔？

Right, Michelle?

是的。

Mhmm.

所以竞争非常激烈。

So competition is cutthroat.

你知道，那个过程竞争非常激烈。

You know, that process is cutthroat.

对。

Mhmm.

你在大学里和同学之间的竞争激烈吗？

Was the was the competition cutthroat between you and your classmates in college?

不。

No.

其实不算。

Well No.

很肯定吗？

Definitive?

不。

No.

我是学戏剧的，所以从这个角度来说，确实存在一定的竞争。

I mean, I was a theater major, so I guess there was a fair amount of competition that in that sense.

但我和我那群朋友之间，并没有互相较劲。

But, like, between my group of friends, we were not competitive against each other.

挺有意思的。

Interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

我也是。

Same here.

我觉得大家更多是互相合作。

I'd say it was pretty more collaborative.

不过在我学校，我那些同学都是很优秀的学生。

But I would say at my school, kids had a really like, the kids that I went to school with were very good students.

大家都特别认真对待自己的学业。

Like, people were all very serious about their work.

对。

Mhmm.

每个人总是有做不完的作业。

Like, people always had tons of work to do.

有时候真觉得，哎呀，太厉害了。

At times, was like, you know, yeah, thinking, wow.

这些人真的特别投入。

These guys are really into it.

你懂的。

You know?

我上过的那所学校，学术氛围确实很好。

So it was a good academic tradition, I'd say, at the school I went to, for sure.

这也一直督促着我保持努力，不走偏路。

And it kept me working hard on the right track.

所以我不觉得

So I wouldn't say

那里竞争很激烈，但要求确实很高。

it was cutthroat, but it was, like, high expectations.

对。

Mhmm.

大家都对自己有很高的要求。

People had high expectations of themselves.

明白了。

Okay.

挺有意思的。

Interesting.

挺有意思的。

Interesting.

接下来这个，我们之前也稍微提过，就是某种声望。

So yeah, the next one is, we talked about this one already a little bit, a certain level of prestige.

就是那种进入某个圈子所带来的高级感和荣誉感。

So yeah, just like that high level, that kind of honor of getting into something.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

一定的声望。

A certain level of prestige.

如果我们的听众正在考虑美国的大学，不管是本科还是研究生院，除了常春藤盟校之外，还有哪些学校具有一定的声望呢，米歇尔？

What are some other colleges, if our listeners are looking at colleges in The US, let's say they wanna go to undergrad or even graduate school, what are some other colleges that come to mind outside of the Ivy League, Michelle, that have a certain level of prestige?

你觉得呢？

What would you say?

哦。

Oh.

哎呀。

Uh-oh.

今天我总给你出难题啊。

I always give you tough questions today.

真的吗？

Really,

我正努力回想呢，毕竟我也没把所有常春藤盟校都背下来，怕一说就说到其中一个了。

I'm, like, trying to even think of because I I feel like I'm I I don't have all the Ivy Leagues memorized, so I feel like I'm just gonna end up saying one of them.

是的。

Yeah.

其实很多公立大学也很有声望。

I mean, a lot of a lot of state schools also do.

没错。

Like Yes.

我觉得波士顿大学就挺不错的。

I mean, I would say I mean, I know, like, Boston University does.

还有那些专业院校，比如我也不知道为啥老提到波士顿，但伯克利音乐学院就挺有名的。

I would say also, like, some of the specialty schools, like, I don't know why I'm talking about Boston so much, but, like, Berkeley School of Music.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

就是这种类型的学校，一些专业院校。

So that kind of a thing, some specialty schools.

林赛，你还能想到别的吗？

Lindsey, any what other ones can you think of?

对。

Yeah.

说到州立大学，我觉得我们确实有不少顶尖的州立学校。

I think going back to the state school thing, I think definitely we have some really good state schools.

比如弗吉尼亚大学就很不错。

Like, University of Virginia is a really good one.

宾夕法尼亚大学其实属于常春藤联盟。

University of well, UPenn is in in the Ivy League, actually.

是的。

Yeah.

但斯坦福也很出色。

But Stanford is good.

麻省理工特别棒。

MIT is really good.

加州理工。

Caltech.

对，加州理工真的非常出色。

Yeah, Caltech is really, really good.

这种学校多得很呢，米歇尔。

There's a ton of them, Michelle.

这真让人兴奋。

It's exciting.

是的。

Mhmm.

没错。

Yeah.

这些学校招收的都是最优秀、最有天赋的学生，这正是我们下一个要讲的表达。

And these schools, they accept the best and the brightest, which is our next expression.

‘最优秀、最聪明的’这话是什么意思？

What does that mean, the best and the brightest?

是啊。

Yeah.

今天这些内容还挺有意思的，对吧？

These are kind of fun chunks today.

对。

Right?

最优秀、最聪明的。

The best and the brightest.

我的意思是，就像我说的，录取率只有4.6%。

I mean, it just means, again, like I said, 4.6% acceptance rate.

他们就是挑最顶尖的，那‘聪明’在这儿到底指什么？

Like, they just look for the best and the bright what does bright mean in this context?

就是聪明的意思。

It means smart.

聪明。

Smart.

没错。

Exactly.

所以这另一种说法是，我们可以哪天再做一期，米歇尔，

So that's another way to say we could do another episode someday, Michelle,

表达聪明的方式可真不少。

Different ways of saying smart.

让我们的听众听到这个还挺有意思的。

That would be kind of cool for our listeners to get that.

因为我觉得在美国文化里，关于聪明的讨论真的很多。

Because I do think there's a lot of talk around being smart in American culture.

你怎么看？

What do you think?

是的，完全对。

Yeah, absolutely.

但你知道，有时候人们太看重聪明，有时候又不重视，其实应该重视的。

But, you know, sometimes the emphasis is on being smart and sometimes it's not and it should be.

所以这方面其实有很多值得聊的地方。

So like, there's a lot to be discussed there.

不过用‘聪明’这个词来形容一个人很机灵，是个不错的选择。

But bright is a good vocabulary word to talk about someone being smart.

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对。

Mhmm.

而且，说实话，我在想我在哪儿见过这个词组，好像在哪出现过——‘最优秀、最聪明的人’。

And, again, yeah, I'm wondering where I know this chunk, I've seen it around, the best and the brightest.

我也不太确定。

I I don't know.

可能在大学的网站上会看到这种说法。

Maybe on websites for colleges, you would see that.

我们只招收最优秀、最聪明的项目，特别项目。

We only accept the best and the brightest programs, special programs.

你可能会在那儿看到这种说法。

You might see that, guys.

所以，我建议你留意一下，这个表达在英语里到处都能见到。

So just be prepared to see that chunk written somewhere in English, I would say.

对。

Right.

没错。

Right.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

接下来是申请流程。

And then application process.

这是我们最后要讲的。

That's the last one we're gonna teach.

琳赛，你还记得学校的申请流程吗？

Do you remember the application process for school, Lindsey?

我都记不清我当年是怎么申请的了。

I don't even know if I remember mine.

我记得写大学申请文书的事，好像当时有个通用申请表，很多学校都能用，但有些我申请的学校不接受这个通用表，得单独申请。

I remember writing my college essay, and I remember I guess there was a standard application that you could use for a lot of them, but then some of the schools that I applied to did not accept the standard application, so you had to get a special application just for them.

我还记得找老师帮我写推荐信。

I remember getting letters of recommendation from my teachers.

是的。

Yeah.

这事儿可复杂了，米歇尔。

It's a whole thing, Michelle.

你得提前很久就开始准备，没错。

You have to start far in advance, Yes.

哦，对啊。

Oh, yeah.

不可能一天就搞定。

You can't just do it in a day.

对。

No.

我记不清具体截止日期了，但我想我们是什么时候收到录取通知的？

I don't remember what the deadlines were, but I feel like when did we get our acceptances?

好像是春天的时候。

It was like spring time.

对吧？

Right?

大概是三月或者四月吧？

Something like April or March maybe?

我觉得截止日期是前一年的秋天。

And then I feel like deadlines were in the fall, the previous year.

所以大家，记得查清楚截止日期。

So guys, check the deadlines.

如果你打算申请美国的大学或研究生院，一定要留意截止日期，因为它们早就开始了。

You know, if you're looking to do this, if you're looking to go to college in The US or graduate school, keep an eye on the deadlines because they do go really far back.

当然。

For sure.

有些学校没有固定截止日期，是滚动录取的。

Some schools some schools don't, they have that rolling admission.

没错。

Yes.

这点也对。

That's true too.

对。

Mhmm.

所以就是你可以先申请，然后他们就会录取你。

So that's where, like, you can apply and then, like, they'll accept you.

意思是他们可能没有一个固定的录取时间，而是收到申请就审核，尽快招满人。

That means, like, even like, they may not have one formal, like, acceptance time, but they accept them as they come in, and they wanna get people.

对吧？

Right?

我不太清楚有多少学校是这样的。

I don't know how many places have that.

我知道。

I know.

而且确实如此。

And yeah.

所以你真的得仔细查清楚。

So you really have to check.

有些学校还有提前录取，还有更早的申请通道，也是提前录取。

Mean, some of them also have early decision, then there was early early application, early decision.

其实这里面挺讲究的。

It's a little bit nuanced actually.

所以你最好仔细研究，不确定的话就直接打电话去问。

So, wanna be able wanna look closely and call people and ask questions if you're not sure.

对，主动寻求帮助。

Yeah, seek out help.

也许你可以找一位顾问帮忙。

Maybe there's a counselor you can work with.

直接给招生办公室打电话，问问申请流程，别怕麻烦，因为每个人的经历都不一样。

Call the department, you know, what is it, applications department, admissions, and just do it because it's a unique experience going through this.

不过，收到录取信的时候，确实挺让人开心的。

But, yeah, it's kinda fun when you get that letter.

你可以和家人一起庆祝，然后大家都清楚自己要去哪所大学了。在高中时，孩子们经常聊‘你打算上哪所大学’这类话题。

You can celebrate with your family, and then everyone knows where they're going, and it's like, in high school, right, kids are having the conversations, where are you going to college, and all that stuff.

这在美国文化里非常普遍。

Very common part of American culture.

没错。

That's right.

确实如此。

That's right.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我回想起以前的事了，琳赛。

This brings me brings me back, Lindsay.

我知道。

I know.

我知道。

I know.

最有趣的是去领你即将就读学校的T恤。

And the fun part is getting the t shirt for the school you're going to.

你做过这个吗？

Did you do that?

你懂的，你就会想，哦，我要去的是……

You know, you go to, you're like, oh, I'm

哦，对啊。

oh, yeah.

当然了。

Of Of course.

是的。

Yeah.

因为那样你会有一种归属感，真的。

Like because then you feel like the sense of, like, belonging and Yeah.

你会为自己所在的学校感到由衷的自豪。

You have this immediate pride for the school that you go to.

那种感觉还挺棒的。

It's kind of a cool feeling.

心里就会想，太好了。

You're like, yay.

感觉就像《哈利·波特》里那样。

Feel like it's like in Harry Potter.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Exactly.

我记得我选的那所学校离我家特别远。

I remember the school that I chose was so far from my home.

学校在弗吉尼亚，离我长大的新罕布什尔可远了，但奇怪的是，我高中里居然还有个孩子也去了那儿。

It was in Virginia, which is so far from New Hampshire where I grew up, but there happened to be one other kid in my high school somehow.

就只有那一个孩子也去了同一所学校。

One other kid was also going there.

真的吗，太巧了。

Oh, wow.

我记得知道这事儿的时候，心里还嘀咕了一句：哇。

And I remember finding that out, like, wow.

除了那个孩子，好像没人知道这所学校，他偏偏就选了那儿。

You know, no one else knows this school except for this kid just somehow decided to go there.

我们在校园里也没怎么熟，但知道他也选了这所学校，还挺有意思的，毕竟离家这么远。

We weren't friends or anything on campus, but it was fun knowing that he had chosen the school too for so far school?

离得远？倒也不算。

Away Not really.

不算。

Nope.

就是我认识的一个普通人。

Just a random guy I knew.

是这样的。

It's a Yeah.

我听人说过。

I I heard somewhere.

对。

Yeah.

那你们学校离家有多远？

So how long like, what was the distance between your school and home?

大概五百英里。

Like 500 miles.

哦，真厉害。

Oh wow.

在弗吉尼亚州的弗雷德里克斯堡，离华盛顿特区以南一小时车程，而我家在新罕布什尔州。

It's Virginia, it was in Fredericksburg, Virginia, so DC, an hour south of DC, and then New Hampshire.

是的，开车回家要十二个小时。

Yeah, it would take me twelve hours to drive home.

对，那时候是……

Yeah, it was a

十二小时的车程。

twelve hour drive.

真够勇敢的。

That's brave.

我上学的时候，离家只有四十五分钟车程。

I I went to school, like, forty five minutes from my house.

是的。

Yeah.

我其实也考虑过选近一点的学校，但最后还是看价格。

I thought about going closer, but it was honestly, it came down to price.

说实话，东南部的学校性价比高得多，哪怕你是外州学生上公立大学也一样。

I mean, the the value for schools in the Southeast is so much better, even if you're an out of state student for a state school.