AEE第8集：如何克服与英语母语者交谈的恐惧

这是《All Ears English》播客第八期。

This is an All Ears English Podcast episode eight.

教你克服与母语为英语的人交谈时的恐惧。

How to get over your fear of talking with native English speakers.

欢迎收听《All Ears English》播客，全球下载量已超过两亿次。

Welcome to the All Ears English Podcast downloaded more than 200,000,000 times.

你是不是觉得自己的英语进步停滞了？

Are you feeling stuck with your English?

我们会教你如何通过注重交流，而不是追求完美，变得自信又流利。

We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection.

本期节目由两位美国主持人带来：英语探险家林赛·麦马洪，以及纽约电台女孩米歇尔·卡普兰，他们从科罗拉多和纽约市为你直播。

With your American hosts, Lindsey McMahon, the English adventurer, and Michelle Kaplan, the New York radio girl, coming to you from Colorado and New York City, USA.

在说英语时不敢尝试，会带来什么代价？

What is the risk of not taking risks when it comes to speaking English?

你因此错过了哪些人际联系、关系，或者机会？

What connections or relationships or opportunities are you missing out on?

今天我们就来聊聊，怎么克服和母语者说英语的恐惧。

Find out how to get over your fear of speaking English with natives today.

你是不是还在脑子里把母语翻译成英语？

Are you still translating from your native language into English in your head?

是不是总搞不清楚各种时态的区别？

Are you always getting confused between the different grammar tenses?

咱们一起来看看，你最需要改进的是哪方面。

Let's figure out what you need to work on.

去 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore 做个五分钟的小测试，快速了解你的英语水平。

Find your current English level with our five minute quiz at allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

嘿，米歇尔。

Hey, Michelle.

今天一切都还顺利吗？

How's everything going today?

你现在感觉怎么样？

How are you feeling?

嘿，林赛。

Hey, Lindsey.

我挺好的。

I'm good.

我挺好的。

I'm good.

你呢？

How are you?

最近怎么样？

What's going on?

没什么特别的。

Not much.

没什么特别的。

Not much.

今天我很想和我们的听众聊聊这个话题——怎么克服和母语为英语的人交流时的恐惧。

I am excited to talk to our listeners today about this idea of how we can get over our fear of talking with native English speakers.

米歇尔，你有没有注意到，学生、听众，还有那些专业的国际人士，和母语是英语的人交谈时都会紧张？

Michelle, have you seen that students, listeners, professional international professionals or listeners are nervous when it comes to talking with native speakers?

当然了。

Oh, for sure.

我是说，想想我以前学别的语言，想跟人交流的时候，真的挺吓人的。

I mean, well, I think about, you know, when I've tried another language just to talk to people, it's scary.

让人很有压力。

It's intimidating.

是啊。

It

确实如此。

really is.

所以我完全能理解这种感受。

So I I can I can understand understand the the feeling?

这种感觉。

Feeling.

但各位，我们就是来帮你们的。

But guys, we are here to help.

如果你害怕和母语是英语的人交流，那这期节目我们就来教你如何克服这种恐惧。

If you are afraid of talking with native English speakers, you know, we wanna show you how you can get over that fear in this episode.

对的。

Mhmm.

我觉得呢，

And I think, you know,

归根结底，交流的关键在于建立联系，而不是追求完美。

at the baseline, it really comes down to connection, not perfection.

希望你们能把这个观念当作学习和理解英语的新方式。

We want you guys to take that idea on as your new way of learning English and thinking about English.

没错。

Right.

如果你

If you

只要你改变对英语的看法，就能真正开始打开话匣子。

change the way you think about English, you will actually be able to start opening up those conversations.

明白吗？

Okay?

但我真的想说，

But I wanna yeah.

这太棒了。

It's so good.

真的特别好。

It's so good.

不过我想跟米歇尔聊聊风险这个问题。

But I wanna talk a little bit about risk, Michelle.

有时候，不冒险反而才是更大的风险。

Because sometimes, by not taking a risk, we're actually taking a bigger risk.

你同意这个说法吗？

Do you do you agree with that?

是的。

Yeah.

我同意这个观点。

I do agree with that.

如果你在冒险，比如跟人说话，我觉得什么都不说才是更大的风险，那样你就完全没机会练习了。

If you if if you're taking a risk, like, you know, especially with speaking to someone, I mean, I think it's I think it's a greater risk to not say anything at all, and then you're not practicing at all.

对。

Yeah.

如果我们不主动开口，会发生什么？咱们想象一下是在工作场合。

Because what happens if we don't let's imagine it's at work, guys.

你在上班。

You're at work.

你在一个多语言的办公环境里。

You're in a multilingual office environment.

如果你不在休息室主动跟说英语的同事搭话，会怎么样？

What happens if you don't start that conversation in the break room with some with a native English coworker?

对吧？

Right?

那会怎么样呢，米歇尔？

What will happen, Michelle?

如果你不开口聊天的话。

If you don't start the conversation.

你就没机会建立那种联系。

You're not gonna have a chance to form that connection.

尤其是在工作场合，建立这些联系非常重要。

And at work, especially, it's, very important to form those connections.

在商界，人们就是靠这些关系往上走的，没错。

That's how people move up in the business world Exactly.

就是靠这些关系。

Through those connections.

所以你其实错失了这个机会。

So you're kind of missing that opportunity.

你正在错过一个非常重要的机会。

You're missing a very big opportunity.

而且你也得想想，别人是怎么看待你的。

And also, you want you know, you you have wanna think about, you know, being per how you're being perceived.

你应该让人觉得你敢于冒险，善于沟通，诸如此类。

Like, you wanna be seen as someone who will take a risk, who can connect, things like that.

对。

Mhmm.

没错。

So Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

也许你开口说了，哪怕犯了个小语法错误。

Maybe if you say something and it's maybe you make one a grammar mistake.

好吧。

Okay.

所以啊，这样其实也没关系。

So, like, it it that's fine.

这种事难免会发生，但我觉得，比起根本不说话，这根本算不上什么大问题。

That that happens, but it's it's less of an issue than to not speak at all, I think.

没错，米歇尔。

Exactly, Michelle.

也许我们可以改天再做一期关于这个话题的节目。

And maybe we can do another episode on this another day.

但从某种角度来说，你们有责任让同事们看到，没错。

But in a way, it's your responsibility, guys, to show your coworkers, yes.

好的。

Okay.

你们在学英语，但你们的英语已经足够好了。

You are learning English, but your English is good enough.

就算有些语法错误，你们照样能和别人一样把工作做好。

Despite any grammar mistakes, you can still do the job just as well as anyone else.

去争取、去行动，这是你的责任，你完全做得到。

That's that's your responsibility to go after that and do that, and you totally can.

对吧？

Right?

我们希望支持你去这么做。

And we wanna empower you to do that.

那我们给听众们分享一句关于风险的名言吧，Michelle，就从这句开始，好吗？

So let's give our listeners a quote, Michelle, about risk today to start Okay.

这句话是：人生本就充满风险。

The quote is, life is inherently risky.

你唯一该不惜一切代价避免的风险，就是什么也不做的风险。

There is only one risk you should avoid at all costs, and that is the risk of doing nothing.

我喜欢这句话。

Oh, I like it.

对吧？

Right?

因为这样下去，生活会变得毫无意义，错失机会，坐在一旁看着别人升职、建立关系，而自己的人生却悄悄溜走。

Because that leads to in a way, that leads to kind of an insignificant life, missing opportunities, sitting back, watching other people get promoted, get relationships, and then you watch your life go by.

听起来挺严重的。

It sounds dire.

确实挺严重的。

It sounds dire.

但咱们来聊聊听众们该怎么迈出第一步，主动开启这些对话，你会发现，一旦开始，自信就会越来越强。

But let's talk to our listeners about how they can take these risks of starting these conversations and then watch yourself getting that confidence will lead to more confidence.

你学英语已经很多年了。

You've studied English for years.

你听得懂播客。

You understand podcasts.

你明白会议是怎么回事。

You understand meetings.

你也能看懂电影。

You understand movies.

那为什么说话还是觉得比应该的更难呢？

So why does speaking still feel harder than it should?

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They stop making noticeable progress and start feeling frustrated.

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That's allearsenglish.com/letterbnumbertwo.

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See you there.

对。

Mhmm.

没错，Michelle，是吧？

Right, Michelle?

对。

Mhmm.

对。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

其实呢，我们可以给你一些很实用的具体建议，都是些小方法，帮你慢慢走出舒适区。

Well, I mean, there are just, like, a lot of good concrete tips we can give you that are small ways to reach outside your comfort zone.

我的意思是，第一条就是直接问路。

I mean, number one, it would just be ask for directions.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

这本身就是个机会。

That that's an opportunity right there.

这确实是个机会。

This is an opportunity.

你知道我对纽约人怎么看吗？

And you know what I think about New Yorkers?

他们都很忙。

They're busy.

但如果你在纽约迷了路，随便拦住一个纽约人，他们多半都会帮你。

But if you're in New York City and you need help, you're lost, you can pretty much stop any New Yorker.

你可以向他们求助，他们会给你指路。

You can ask them for help, and they will help you with directions.

Michelle，你觉得怎么样？

What do you think about that, Michelle?

你住在纽约，所以你可以

You live in New York, so you can be

当我们的纽约通。

our New York person.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得人们都挺乐于助人的。

I think people are pretty helpful.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得人们都挺乐于助人的。

I think people are pretty helpful.

所以你可以做的另一件事就是请对方重复一遍，这完全没问题。

So another thing you can do is you can ask someone to repeat themselves, and that's fine.

对。

Mhmm.

说句抱歉，没什么大不了的。

There's nothing wrong with saying, oh, sorry.

比如，‘我没听清’或者‘你能再说一遍吗？’

I didn't hear you, or could you say that again?

而且这也是个办法，我的意思是，同时你也在跟对方多交流，说不定听着听着就能聊出点共鸣来。

And this is a way I mean, also, at the same time, you're continuing to speak more with a person, and you might even find a connection starts if, you know, then you hear what they say.

没错。

Exactly.

这些想法里，哦，这里还有个我觉得不错的点子。

And these are ideas where oh, here's another one that I like.

延续对话的一个好办法就是问问对方有什么餐厅推荐。

To extend the conversation is to ask for a restaurant recommendation.

假设你去洛杉矶，在咖啡馆里和某人简短聊了几句。

Let's say you're visiting LA and you have a quick exchange with someone in a cafe.

你该怎么继续聊下去，多练练口语呢？

How could you extend that conversation to get more practice?

你可以请对方推荐一家餐厅。

You could ask for a restaurant recommendation.

哦，对啊。

Oh, yeah.

这挺有意思的，因为人们都喜欢聊自己最喜欢的东西，比如最爱的餐厅之类的。

That's fun because people like talking about their favorite things, their favorite restaurants, things like that.

所以这方法挺好的。

So that's fun.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

另一个常见的方法当然是参加线下聚会，我们老跟你们说这个了。

And another common one, of course, is join a Meetup, but we tell you that all the time, guys.

去Meetup.com上找找。

Join meetup.com.

找个合适的小组。

Find a group.

就去行动吧。

Do it.

一定要去参加。

Definitely do it.

那我们还能做点别的什么？

And what's another thing we could do?

你可以想办法让自己更显眼，让别人主动跟你搭话。

Well, find some way to draw attention to yourself so that people start conversations with you.

比如穿点有意思的衣服，搞个有趣的帽子之类的，反正就是让自己有点亮点。

So maybe you have something fun you wanna wear, a fun outfit or a cool hat or I don't know.

也可能就是类似这样的东西，我也说不准。

It could be something like that or I don't know.

还有别的吗？

What else?

对啊。

Yeah.

还有T恤。

There are T shirts.

我的意思是，你要是搜搜那些有趣的搭讪T恤，比如上面写着‘问我今天早餐吃了啥’。

I mean, if you look up, like, funny conversation starter T shirts, like, ask me what I had for breakfast.

对吧？

Right?

就印在T恤正面，多直接。

Right on the front of your T Yeah.

为什么不呢？

Why not?

这主意听起来有点疯狂，但挺有意思的，别人一看就会笑，觉得你从一开始就很有趣。

It's kind of a crazy idea, but this tactic is fun, and people are gonna laugh, and they're gonna think you're kind of a funny person right from the start.

他们还会问你：你早餐吃了啥？

And they're gonna say, what'd have for breakfast?

一瞬间，你就跟人搭上话了。

All of a sudden, you are communicating.

这其实就是在练习，朋友们。

You are practicing, guys.

没错。

Exactly.

这就引出了下一个方法：塑造一个另一个人设。

And that kinda brings us to the next one, which is create an alter ego.

这个人物呢，不是你本来的样子。

So this alter ego, it's like some it's not who you are.

它不是你，但就像你在演一个角色。

It's not you, but it's like it's kinda of character you're playing.

你可以把自己当成舞台上的演员，塑造一个说英语的 persona。

So you can think of yourself as like an actor on stage and make your English speaker persona.

它可以是个外向又爱社交的人。

So it can be a social and outgoing person.

也许你内心并不这么觉得。

Maybe you don't feel it.

你本人可能确实不觉得，但你可以故意扮演这么个角色。

Maybe you yourself don't feel it, but you kinda make a character.

而这个角色就是这样的。

And this person is that way.

这样能帮你跳出自己的思维，变成另一个人，也更容易和别人建立联系。

And that can be a way to, like, get out of your head into someone else, and that can be a way to connect with people more.

是的。

Yeah.

这一点特别重要。

This is huge.

我觉得我们会在未来的另一期节目中再聊到这个话题。

I think we're gonna touch on this in another episode in the future.

我们还会回头谈谈‘另一个自我’这个概念。

We're gonna come back to this concept of the alter ego.

我觉得这个方法特别有效，其实跟你之前在某一集里说的很像，米歇尔，你说你喜欢直接演出来。

I actually think it's so powerful, and it's actually similar to something you said in a previous episode, Michelle, that you like to just act.

对。

Mhmm.

是吧？

Right?

去假装自己在面试时站在舞台上一样表演。

Go pretend like you're on stage in job interviews.

所以各位，我们稍后还会再深入聊聊这个。

So guys, we'll talk about that a little bit more.

但总的来说，今天在结束关于风险的讨论时，我们希望你们能好好反思一下。

But basically, we want you guys to reflect today as we finish up on risk.

那到底是什么？

What is it?

问问自己，如果你不敢冒险，会错过什么？

Ask yourself the question, what are you missing by not taking a risk?

好好想想，错过这些东西的风险有多大。

And really think about the risk of missing that thing.

对吧？

Right?

人际关系、晋升机会、各种经历。

The relationships, the promotions, the experiences.

失去这些的风险又是什么？

What is the risk of losing that?

明白了。

Okay.

这就是关键问题。

That's the question.

非常好。

Very good.

今天这个思考很深，林赛。

A deep thought for today, Lindsey.

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我们每周更新四次，看重的是真实连接，而不是完美无缺。

We are here four days a week, and we believe in connection, not perfection.

我们特别期待你们继续收听。

And we can't wait to have you listen more.

对的。

Yep.

没错，米歇尔。

You got it, Michelle.

下一期见。

I'll see you in the next episode.

再见。

Bye.

再见。

Bye.

感谢收听All Ears English。

Thanks for listening to All Ears English.

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