艾薇儿·拉维尼!!!!!!!!!

这太有趣了。

This was so fun.

我童年的梦想实现了。

My childhood dreams came true.

我竟然能和艾薇儿·拉维尼本人交谈。

Got to talk to none other than Avril Lavigne herself.

她解释了为什么认为爱情很糟糕。

She goes into why she thinks love sucks.

她在这段17岁时的采访中因这段内容在TikTok上走红。

She's going viral on TikTok for this interview when she was 17.

我觉得我就是一个摇滚女孩，我喜欢尽情摇滚。

I think that I'm just a rock chick, and I like to rock out.

我喜欢到处乱扔东西。

I like to throw shit around.

我喜欢疯狂一把。

I like to go nuts.

我喜欢在舞台上忘我地表演。

I like to lose myself on stage.

我喜欢尖叫。

I like to scream.

我喜欢大喊大叫。

I like to holler.

我喜欢砸东西。

I like to break things.

我喜欢大喊。

I like to yell.

我喜欢发泄愤怒。

I like to get my anger out.

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

别以为我没问过她这件事。

Don't think I don't ask her about that.

哦，关于她的新专辑《爱真糟》有个重大更正。

Oh, and a major correction about her new album, love sucks.

嗯。

Yeah.

她点名批评我，而我认为我们所有人都需要被点名批评。

She calls me out, and I think we all need to be called out.

我们来深入聊聊吧。

Let's get into it.

随便问安妮任何问题。

Ask Anne anything.

一档无所顾忌、毫无过滤的播客。

A podcast where anything goes with no filter.

有趣的名人闲聊。

Fun celebrity chats.

好的建议，不管你愿不愿意听。

Good advice, whether you want it or not.

此外，你还会听到我们喜爱的一些了不起的人和企业。

Plus, you'll hear from some amazing humans and businesses we love.

她来了，你们的主持人，安·哈德森。

Here she is, your host, Anne Hudson.

我简直不敢相信。

I can't believe it.

就在眼前的Zoom画面里，流行朋克的元祖女王，艾薇儿·拉维尼。

In the Zoom flash right here in front of me, the OG queen of pop punk y'all, Avril Lavigne.

见到你真好。

So good to see you.

见到你真好。

So good to see you.

你一定忙得不可开交，忙着宣传这张新专辑，因为它真的太棒了。

You have got to be crazy busy promoting this new album because it is, like, it's amazing.

非常兴奋能推出这张名为《爱真 sucks》的专辑。

Stoked to have this album, love sucks out.

这简直是我的第七张专辑了。

It's, like, my seventh record.

我做音乐已经很久了，但说实话，这张专辑特别有趣，制作过程也特别轻松。

I've been doing this for a while, but, honestly, the album is so much fun and, like, making it, it was just so chill.

我感觉就像只是和朋友们闲逛一样。

I felt like I was just, like, hanging out with my friends.

一切都非常自然、原生态。

It was, everything was very, like, organic.

这张专辑里我邀请的嘉宾数量是我以往最多的。

I I have the most amount of features on this that I've ever had before.

这太酷了，因为你邀请了机器枪凯利。

Which, yes, is so cool because you're featuring, what, Machine Gun Kelly.

你还请了Black Bear参与。

You've got Black Bear on there.

我想特别提一下《All I Wanted》这首歌，和Blink-182的Mark Hoppus合作的。

I wanna love the one, All I Wanted with Mark Koppas of Blink one eighty two.

太棒了。

So good.

当然，还有特拉维斯·巴克，你们简直是最好的朋友。

And, obviously, of course, Travis Barker, which you guys are, like, besties.

所以

So

整个过程都超级有趣，每一件事都充满了酷酷的氛围。

It's just been so much fun, and everything about it has just, like, been such a cool vibe.

前几天，我在日落大道的罗克西剧院举办了CD专辑发布派对。

Like, I had a CD release album release party the other day on the Sunset Strip at the Roxy.

是的。

Yeah.

所有男孩都上台了，我们第一次现场表演了这些歌曲。

And all the boys came up on stage, and we rocked the songs for the first time.

MGK上台了，我们甚至都没排练过《Boys Lie》这首歌。

MGK got up, and we hadn't even rehearsed our song Boys Lie.

男孩说谎。

Boys lie.

所以告诉我为什么。

So tell me why.

我们就是即兴发挥，他直接跳上台，我们就唱了。

We just winged it, and he just jumped up, and we sang it.

太好玩了。

It was so much fun.

我觉得这整体就是这种氛围。

And I feel like that's just the vibe overall.

制作这张专辑很有趣。

Like, making the record was fun.

当时我没有唱片公司，也没有经纪人。

I didn't have a, like, a label at the time or managers.

我只是进去说，我要录一张专辑。

I just went in and was like, I'm making a record.

哪个是最好的？

Which is the best?

像你这样的人，理应创作出最真实、最地道的音乐。

Like, you, of all people, like, deserve to make the most authentic music ever.

特拉维斯·巴克选中你，让你加入他的唱片公司，这真是再合适不过了。

And what a perfect fit that Travis Barker picked you up, put him on his record label.

这一切是怎么发生的？

How did that all come about?

嗯，特拉维斯曾为我的专辑《The Best Damn Thing》工作过。

Well, Travis worked with me on my album, The Best Damn Thing.

你眼睛见过的最棒的东西。

The best damn thing that your eyes have ever seen.

然后我们在疫情刚开始时重新取得了联系。

And then we reconnected over the pandemic, like, when it first started.

是的。

Yeah.

然后当我们终于开始合作时，他就直接签了我，这简直太合理了。

And then when we finally were, like, working together, then he just, like, ended up signing me, and, like, it made sense.

而且，这也真的很酷，因为他本身就是一个艺术家。

And, also, it's just, like, really cool because he's an artist.

所以，不是的。

So, like No.

他懂的。

He gets it.

他可是干这一行很久了。

Like, he's been doing it forever.

我也做音乐很久了。

I've been doing music forever.

我觉得我们真的能彼此理解，经历过相似的经历。

And, like, I feel like he could we really, really relate to each other and, like, have been through similar experiences.

所以，能有特拉维斯当我的唱片公司总裁，确实很酷。

So, you know, it's definitely cool to have Travis being the president of my record label.

而且，我们所有人一直玩得很开心，聚在一起，从写歌到录音，现在一起现场演出。

And, like, we've just all been having so much fun and hanging out and playing right going going from writing to recording to now playing the songs live together.

而且，我今年已经安排了一整轮巡演。

And I've got, like, a whole tour lined up for this year.

比如五月，我会去加拿大，下周我会公布剩下的巡演日期。

Like, in May, I'm in Canada, and and I'm announcing, like, the rest of the tour dates this next week.

我对即将到来的现场演出感到非常兴奋。

I amped on the live shows coming up.

你觉得Travis、Machine Gun Kelly和Anita Boys会和你一起巡演吗？

You think Travis, Machine Gun Kelly, Anita Boys is gonna head out on the road with you, join you on tour?

我的意思是，我们现在会一起上电视节目之类的，偶尔也会一起表演。

I mean, like, we're doing TV shows and stuff like that and, like, performances here and there together as of now.

所以我觉得我们肯定会在不同场合互相登台合作。

So I think definitely, we'll be, like, jumping up on stage with each other here and there.

我知道你之前就准备好要出一张专辑了。

So I know you were just ready to make an album.

这个作品的灵感来源是什么？

What was the inspiration behind this one in particular?

嗯。

Yeah.

所以，这张专辑叫《爱真糟》。

So well, the album's called love sucks.

嗯。

Yeah.

当我开始做这张专辑时，我就是这么感觉的，爱真糟。

And that's how I felt when I started the album and love sucks.

这也是专辑里的一首歌，是我最早写出来的歌之一。

It's also a song on the record, and that's one of the first ones that I wrote.

我当时正在经历一段分手。

I was going through a breakup.

我当时就想，唉，又是一次分手。

I was like, ugh, not another breakup.

嗯。

Yeah.

所以这首歌就是，别再分手了。

And, like, so the song was like, not breakup.

当我谢谢你的时候，我就想吐。

When I thank you, I just wanna throw up.

别再分手了。

Not another breakup.

当我谢谢你的时候，我就想吐。

When I thank you, I just wanna throw up.

是的。

Yes.

我喜欢这个。

I love it.

而且，这真的很搞笑，因为这正是你真实的感觉。

And, like, it's so funny because it's, like, how you really feel.

但我想写这些事情，又不想太严肃。

And, like but, like, I wanna write about these things, but not be so serious.

所以这完全是调侃爱情，调侃爱情让我们变得多么疯狂，它让我们经历的一切，以及我亲身经历的事情。

So it's, like, super, like, poking fun at love, the crazy things it does to us, what it puts us through, and, things I've been through.

因此，这正是这张专辑的灵感来源。

And so that was really the inspiration for the album.

这首歌某种程度上定下了整张专辑的基调。

It's sort of that song set the tone.

是的。

Yes.

我进去后，就坦诚地说出了我的感受。

I, like, went in, and I told how I'm feeling.

我现在对爱情真的感到精疲力尽。

I'm so burnt out on love right now.

我只是需要专注于自己。

Like, I just need to focus on myself.

我已经厌倦了。

I'm over it.

我们就这样把这些东西都挖掘出来，然后写了下来。

And like, we tapped into all that stuff and just like wrote about it.

这感觉太自然了。

It was like so natural.

当你正在经历的时候，写起来是最容易的。

It's like the easiest thing to write about is when you're like

正在经历中。

Going through it.

而且这很容易引起共鸣。

And it's relatable.

我们都经历过。

We've all been through it.

没错。

Yeah.

所以《Bite Me》这首主打歌就是这么来的，我本该被好好对待的。

And so that's where Bite Me, the first single came from also just like, I should have had on, should have treated me right.

我给了你一次机会。

I gave you one chance.

你没有第二次机会。

You don't get it twice.

从此以后，永远如此。

So forever and ever.

你会希望你老婆能像我一样。

You're gonna wish I wish your wifey.

也许你可以

Maybe you can

咬我吧。

bite me.

对。

Yes.

我有了。

I've got it.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

那个人会想咬你一口，因为就连封面艺术什么的，你都简直太有氛围了。

That person is gonna wanna bite you because even the artwork and everything, you are just such a freaking vibe.

太美了。

It's gorgeous.

如果你还没看过专辑封面，那是一整片红色背景，你穿着黑色衣服，身边是黑色气球。

If you haven't seen the album artwork yet, it's like this whole red background, and you're dressed in black with black balloons.

我太喜欢了。

I love it.

这个整体概念是你想出来的吗？

Did you come up with that whole concept?

这很有趣，因为背景其实是橙色的？

So it's really funny because the background's orange It is?

对我来说，但有些人觉得它是红色的。

To me, but some people think it's red.

它是橙色的。

It's it was orange.

所以是红色。

So red.

专辑的颜色，我知道。

The colors of the album well, I know.

专辑的颜色是橙色和黑色。

The colors of the album are orange and black.

然后，我发布了专辑封面，大家都以为它是红色的。

And then, like, I put out the album cover and everyone thought it was red.

我当时说，不是。

I was like, no.

不是。

No.

不。

No.

其实是橙色的。

It's actually orange.

糟了。

Crap.

嗯，现在我看到了。

Well, now I see it.

比如，现在我的指甲是橙色的。

Like like, everything, like, right now, my nails are orange.

我的头发里也有橙色。

Like, my hair has orange in it.

所以，我所有的衣服都是橙色和黑色的。

So, like, all my wardrobe is, like, orange and black.

但是

But

我一定是色盲。

I must be color blind.

现在我觉得是因为它是橙色的，但印刷出来后看起来有点像橙红色。

Now I think it's because it was orange, and then the way it got printed, it kinda looks like an orangey red.

对。

Right.

嗯。

Yeah.

它是橙色的。

It's orange.

好的。

Okay.

好吧，我很高兴知道这一点，因为我之前一直觉得我喜欢这种红黑风格。

Well, I'm so glad to know this because I was all like, I love this red and black vibe.

不。

No.

有些人看到的是橙色，有些人看到的是红色。

See orange and some people see red.

天哪。

Dang.

我纠正一下。

I stand corrected.

显然，你感受到了很多爱。

Well, obviously, you're hearing so much love.

我看到泰勒·斯威夫特给你发消息了。

I saw Taylor Swift hit you up.

嗯。

Yeah.

天哪。

Oh my god.

她太温柔了。

She's so sweet.

是的。

Yeah.

她给我发消息说，昨天她给我送了花，她说她很喜欢这张专辑，一边听一边跳舞，她真的太贴心了。

She sent me I got flowers from her yesterday that she sent me, and she said she loved the album, the new album, dancing around to it, and she's such a sweetheart.

只是

Just

她确实是。

She is.

祝贺了我之类的。

Congratulated me or whatever.

然后我收到一个蛋糕，是按照专辑封面做的。

And and then I I got a cake made that's of the album cover.

是的。

Yeah.

有人咬了一口，但不是我。

And somebody took a bite of it, and it wasn't me.

我以为是莫德呢。

Are you I thought I thought it was Maude.

所以我就想，你为什么咬了一口蛋糕？

And so was like, why did you take a bite of the cake?

那不是我吃的。

Like, that wasn't me.

然后我在我Instagram的故事里发了蛋糕的照片，我的经纪人告诉我，他吃了我蛋糕的一角。

And then and then I found I posted my cake on my Instagram story, and my manager told me that he ate the corner of my cake.

所以昨天我拍摄的时候，就没有拍到那个角落。

So when I filmed it yesterday, I didn't include the corner.

谁咬了我的蛋糕？

Was like, and who took a bite of my cake?

说实话，这个蛋糕大概已经在我的柜台上放了六天了，所以我不会吃它。

To be completely honest, the cake's been sitting on my counter probably for, like, six days, so I'm not eating it.

真的吗？

Really?

你就像，你已经吃完了。

You're like, you're done with it.

拍张照，抓住这个机会，然后继续吧。

Take the picture, the photo opportunity, move on.

太漂亮了，都不忍心吃。

Too pretty to to eat.

好吧。

Okay.

说到Instagram和社交媒体，我都不知道了。

So speaking of Instagram and social media, I don't even know.

你经常用TikTok吗？

Are you on TikTok very often?

你会上TikTok吗，还是觉得烦透了？

Do you ever get on TikTok, or is it annoying whole?

发了三条，我觉得。

Three posts, I think.

我的第一条帖子是和托尼·霍克一起的，我用《滑板少年》作为配乐发布的。

My first post was with Tony Hawk, and I launched it with Skater Boy.

而我

And I

我邀请托尼·霍克来我家，他真的来了。

asked Tony Hawk come over to my house, and he totally came over.

我们开了烧烤，玩了滑板，还拍了视频。

We had a barbecue and skateboarded and filmed it.

是的。

Yes.

所以，我总共发了大概三条TikTok视频。

So like, I've done, like, three TikTok.

我觉得这挺不错的，你意识到自己在TikTok上已经是个知名声音了吗？

I think that's well, do you realize that you're, like, a famous sound on TikTok?

你知道吗，就是从这个开始的？

Do you know that, like, from this?

这太棒了。

Like, this is so good.

你知道我觉得自己是什么吗？

You know what I think that I am?

我觉得我就是一个摇滚女孩。

I think that I'm just a rock chick.

我喜欢尽情摇滚。

And I like to rock out.

我喜欢到处乱扔东西。

I like to throw shit around.

我喜欢疯狂发泄。

I like to go nuts.

我喜欢在舞台上忘我投入。

I like to lose myself on stage.

我喜欢大喊大叫。

I like to scream.

我喜欢大喊。

I like to holler.

我喜欢砸东西。

I like to break things.

我喜欢吼叫。

I like to yell.

天啊。

Oh my god.

太喜欢了，

Love it,

不过。

though.

我的意思是，这是TikTok上最热门的声音之一。

I mean, this is one of the most trending sounds on TikTok.

所以，如果现在有人问你这个问题，二十年后，你觉得你是什么样的人？

So if you're asked that question now, twenty years later, what do you think you are?

让我们更新一下这个TikTok音效。

Let's update that TikTok sound.

我是个脾气火爆的泼妇。

I'm a feisty, fiery bitch.

是的。

Yes.

这里有

There's

我们的新音效。

our new one.

好吧。

Okay.

艾薇儿·拉维尼，我们来聊聊传闻。

Avril Lavigne, let's talk rumors.

《滑板少年》会拍成电影吗？

Is Skater Boy gonna be a movie?

嗯。

Yeah.

所以，是的，把它拍成电影。

So, yeah, turning it into a movie.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

你会不会，比如，写剧本、导演，全部自己来？

Are you gonna, like, write, direct, do the whole thing?

这会是一个全新的

Is that gonna be a whole new

嗯。

Yeah.

我在制作和开发它。

Like, I'm producing and developing it.

所以，开发它挺有趣的。

So, like, developing it is, like, fun.

所以，我刚找了一个编剧和一个导演。

So, like, I just found, like, a writer and a director.

嗯。

Yeah.

现在，我在全面监督这个项目。

And now, like, I'm overseeing the whole project.

我们已经有了选角名单。

We have our casting list.

而且，是的，这事儿花的时间挺长的，我已经为此工作了两年了。

And, yeah, it's something that it kinda takes a long time, and I've already been working on it for, like, two years.

不过太酷了。

So cool, though.

我的意思是，你会出演吗？

I mean, are you gonna be in it?

我觉得会。

I think so.

我不会，呃，主演什么的。

I won't, like, star in it or anything.

嗯。

Yeah.

我的计划其实是不参与演出。

I mean I mean, my plan is no, to not be in it.

但现实点说，我肯定会有个客串，对吧。

But, like, realistically, I'm sure there will be, like, a cameo Right.

对。

Right.

简短的。

Short.

好吧。

Alright.

那么，在你生活中，你觉得谁是真正有启发性的女性或人物？

So who would you consider to be, like, a real inspirational woman or person in your life?

我的意思是，说实话，是我妈妈。

I mean, honestly, like, my mom.

她特别温柔，把我们三个孩子养大，做得非常好。

She's so sweet, and she did such a great job raising us three kids.

她非常亲力亲为。

She was really hands on.

她每个星期天都带我们去教堂。

She took us to church every Sunday.

接下来这杯饮料是冷的，所以当我离开的时候，我心想：哇。

The next drink now is cold, which is why when I left, I was like, wow.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

我妈妈是个好人，她是个基督徒。

My mom is a good person, and she's, like, a Christian.

我认为她一直给我们灌输很好的道德和价值观。

She's still really good morals and values in us, I think.

她非常纯真又善良。

And she's just so wholesome and sweet.

我妈妈教会了我很多东西，比如作为一个女人在厨房里做饭，她总是给我特别棒的建议，一直在我身边支持我，小时候我唱歌的时候，她还帮我规划事业，她发现我有天赋。

And, like, don't I know my mom taught me a lot of everything I know like from being a woman like in the kitchen cooking like and just always gives me really awesome advice and it's always been there for me and just she helped me with my career when I was a little girl and I was singing and she recognized that I had a voice.

当我两岁的时候，她说她就知道我会唱歌，她觉得必须让我上台表演。

And she was like, at when I was age two, she said she knew that I could sing and that she had she's like, I knew I had to get you up on stage.

所以在教堂里，她去跟音乐总监商量，关于合唱音乐会的事。

So in church, she went and talked to them, the concert cantata, like musical director

嗯。

Yeah.

她让我上台，帮我迈出了第一步。

And, like, got me up on stage and and, like, got me started.

是的。

Yes.

可爱的妈妈，她看到了并鼓励和支持了我。

Sweet little mom, like, saw that and encouraged it and supported it.

然后，你知道的，她相信我，我爸爸也是，还开车送我去参加各种歌唱活动之类的。

And then, like, you know, her believing in me and my dad too, and then, like, driving me to, like, singing appointments and stuff.

是的。

Yeah.

那是个位于加拿大的小镇。

No one like it was, like, tiny little town in Canada.

没人认识任何有关系的人。

No one had any connections with anybody.

我甚至不觉得我们当中有谁真正了解好莱坞是什么。

I don't even think any of us really knew what Hollywood was.

那只是觉得，她需要站在舞台上唱歌，而她相信我。

It was more just like, oh, she needs to be up on stage and singing, and she believed in me.

直到今天，你知道，这张新专辑发布了，我妈妈还会给我发短信。

And to this day, like, you know, this new album's out, and I'm getting, like, text messages from my mom.

她总是说：我为你感到骄傲。

She's like, I'm so proud of you.

哎呀。

Aw.

听吧，咬我吧，当你在收音机里听到我恨我的时候。

Hear bite me and love it when you hate me on the radio.

是啊。

Yeah.

到处都是你的广告牌，你知道，她每次看到我在哪里出现都会给我发短信，她真的特别开心。

There's billboards of you and, you know, she's like texts me every time she sees me somewhere and she's just so happy.

我妈妈一直是我生命中巨大的积极影响。

And so my mom has been like a huge positive influence in my life.

哎呀，我喜欢这个。

Aw, I love that.

好吧，我们来玩一些有趣的快速问答。

Well, let's do some rapid fires that are just fun.

比如一个没人知道的关于你的有趣事实。

Like a fun fact about you that no one knows.

好的，我喜欢这个。

Okay, love these.

嗯。

Yeah.

有什么是你可能没人知道的有趣事实吗？

What's a fun fact about you that maybe no one knows?

哦，我喜欢画画。

Oh, I love to paint.

你喜欢

You love

画画？

to paint?

我喜欢画画。

I love to paint.

我一辈子都在画画。

I've been painting like my whole life.

是的。

Yes.

太酷了。

Super cool.

那你最近画了什么？

Like, what's the last thing you painted?

我开始画一些歌词之类的东西，都是来自我这张专辑的。

I started painting some, like, actually some like lyrics and stuff from my fur from this album.

是的。

Yeah.

大概是六个月到八个月前吧。

Like, probably six, eight months ago.

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

实际上，我画了一些叫‘爱真糟’的画。

Actually, I was, like, making some love sucks paintings.

我喜欢。

I like it.

你家里最喜欢的东西是什么？

What's one of your favorite things in your house?

我觉得是我的吉他收藏。

I think my guitar collection.

嗯。

Yeah.

一些我喜欢观赏的东西。

Something that I love to look at.

我把我的吉他展示在家里。

I put, like, my guitars on display in my house.

比如，我有一面墙，上面全都挂着吉他。

Like, I have, like, a wall, and they're all on a wall.

你有多少把吉他？

How many guitars do you have?

你数得清吗？

Do you even know?

嗯，我有70把。

Well, I 70.

哇。

Wow.

哇。

Wow.

那可是一面很大的墙。

That's a big wall.

是的。

Yeah.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

它们并不是都能挂在墙上。

They don't all fit on the wall.

这是你最喜欢的吗？

Does it your favorite?

好吧，你最常用的表情符号是什么？

Okay, what's your most used emoji?

目前，我最常用的表情符号是一个橙色的心形，旁边配上一个中指，用来代表我的歌曲《Love It When You Hate Me》。

Right now, my most used emoji is an orange heart and then a middle finger next to it for my song, Love It When You Hate Me.

好吧。

Okay.

这太酷了，因为你将在iHeartRadio音乐节上演出。

That's so cool because you're playing the iHeartRadio Music Festival.

你正在表演日间村的演出。

You're doing the daytime village.

有什么预期的吗？

What's to be expected?

全是新歌吗？

All new music?

你会稍微回顾一下以前的作品吗？

Are you gonna throw it back a little bit?

我们能期待些什么？

What are we what can we expect?

我会演奏新专辑《Love Sucks》中的歌曲，但也会表演过去七张专辑里的歌曲。

I'll play songs from the new album, Love Sucks, but I'll also play songs from all of the last seven albums.

太棒了。

Yay.

这一定会非常酷。

It's gonna be so cool.