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当你的孩子或孙子孙女去夏令营时，你是不是也盼着能有个专为成年女性设计的类似活动？
As your kids or grandkids head off to summer camp, are you wistfully wanting a grown up women's version you could attend?
愿望成真了。
Wish granted.
Feisty Fest，我们的三天盛会，将于2020年9月在宾夕法尼亚州的利哈伊谷举行。
Feisty Fest, our three day festival, September '20 in Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.
无论你是经验丰富的运动员，还是刚入门的新手，Feisty Fest都有适合你的项目。
Seasoned athletes or newbies, there's something at Feisty Fest for you.
这里有越野跑、公路跑、游泳、砾石公路骑行、场地骑行、瑜伽、力量训练、匹克球，还有嘉宾对谈、信息分享和播客录制。
Trail running, road running, swimming, gravel cycling, track cycling, yoga, strength training, pickleball, plus speaker panels, information sessions, and podcast recordings.
想了解更多关于Feisty Fest的信息，请访问feisty.co，或者点击节目笔记里的链接。
Learn more about Feisty Fest by going to feisty.co or clicking the link in the show notes.
欢迎收听《Miles of Books》，这是一档专为跑步时聆听打造的读书节目，由另一位跑者妈妈和Feisty Media出品。
Welcome to Miles of Books, a book centric show to listen to on your run from another mother runner and Feisty Media.
我是主持人莎拉·鲍恩·希亚，今天很高兴和我的搭档艾莉森·韦斯特一起主持。
I'm host Sarah Bowen Shea, and I'm joined today by my fabulous cohost, Ellison Weist.
嗨，艾利森。
Hiya, Ellison.
嗨，莎拉。
Heyya, Sarah.
是的。
Yeah.
笑声已经开始了。
The laughter is already starting
我知道。
I know.
来个刚好赶上的足球笑话，或者橄榄球笑话。
With a timely soccer joke, timely football joke.
对。
Right.
足球。
Footy.
足球。
Footy.
这期节目，我们来聊聊几本适合夏天读的书。
Well, on this episode, we are serving up some summer reads.
咱们先说说对沙滩读物的真实感受吧。
So, let's talk for a second about our feelings about beach reads.
咱们坦诚点，说实话，敞开心扉聊聊。
Let's be candid and, you know, really, vulnerable here.
说实话，我平时不太读那种沙滩读物。
So be because, you know, I'm not much typically for beach reads.
我也是。
Neither am I.
好长时间没读过了。
I haven't been for a long time.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我不确定。
I'm not sure.
我不记得自己以前有没有看过那种沙滩读物，不过很久以前我确实迷过一阵子丹妮尔·斯蒂尔的小说。
I don't know if I ever have been for beach well, I went through a big Danielle Steele phase a long time ago.
回想起那段时光，真是有点怀旧了。
How about that reaching back into the Hey.
我那时候住在旧金山。
I lived in San Francisco.
你知道的。
You know?
她就住在太平洋高地那儿。
She was right there at Pacific Heights.
你知道的。
You know?
在她那座价值数百万美元的豪宅里。
In her multimillion dollar mansion.
所以这些严格来说并不是沙滩读物，但它们确实适合在泳池边放松或沙滩上漫步时阅读。
So so these aren't beach reads exactly, or in any shape, but these are books that we chose that are easy for lounging poolside or strolling on the sand.
如果你正在做这些事，这些书完全可以陪你左右。
They these books can be your companion if you're doing that.
是的。
Yeah.
当然。
Definitely.
没错。
Yes.
所以我们先从《Whistler》开始，这本书体量不小。
So we are starting off big with Whistler.
作者是安·帕切特，我认为她是当今美国最杰出的小说家之一。
It's from one of what I would posit is our finest one of our finest living American novelist, Ann Patchett.
你觉得这是夸张了，还是同意我的看法？
So do you think that's hyperbole, or do you agree with my assessment?
完全不是。
Not at all.
完全不是。
Not at all.
我真的觉得，她对阅读群体所做的贡献。
I I really think that, and what she has done for the community of reading.
她在我的评价里也加分了。
She also gets a mark in my book.
很大的加分。
A good one.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
好吧。
Alright.
那你给我们总结一下这本书吧？
So, summarize this book for us, would you?
好的。
Yeah.
故事讲的是一对中年夫妇在大都会艺术博物馆里散步。
You've got a middle aged woman and her husband are strolling through the, Metropolitan Museum of Art.
艺术博物馆。
Museum of art.
他们在纽约市的时候，丈夫注意到一位年长的男士一直在盯着他的妻子看，而不是盯着他们俩。
And, yeah, In New York City when her husband cottons on to a fact that an older gentleman has been staring, not at them, but at her, at his wife.
而她自己根本没察觉到。
And she really hasn't noticed it.
丈夫最后走过去，跟那位老人聊了起来。
The husband ends up going over and having a conversation with the older man.
结果发现，这位老人是妻子多年前的继父。
And it turns out that this gentleman is the wife's long ago stepfather.
她小时候，继父只和她们一起生活了两三年，之后她就再没见过他，那时她才十岁左右。
And as when she was a child, he was her stepfather just for about three three years, two or three years, and she has not seen him since she was about 10 years old.
对。
Mhmm.
她现在应该是
And she's now in her, I guess
她五十七岁，我想。
She's 57, I think.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
我喜欢这个。
I like that.
已经过去很久了。
So it's been a long time.
对。
Yes.
帕切特在这里带我们看到了他们如何重新建立联系，同时也让我们回溯到 narrator 还是个小女孩时，两人共同经历的一件创伤性事件。
And so what we have what Patchett does here is she takes us into how they get reacquainted, but also she takes us back to a very traumatic event that happened to both of them when the narrator was a was a young girl.
主角当时还是个小女孩。
The main character was a young girl.
正是那件事导致了他们此后多年再未相见。
And why what that precipitated and why they haven't seen each other in all this time.
是的。
Mhmm.
要是换作别人来写，情况可能就完全不同了。
And, you know, Patchett is in anybody else's hands.
我觉得这会是个大问题。
I think this would have been a real problem.
你还记得我们在这档播客里多次聊过吧，当小说采用双时间线时，你常常会陷入其中一个时代，
I think you remember how we've talked about several times on this podcast about how often you're in one area when it's a dual time
是的。
Yes.
然后你就想：行吧，
Novel, and you're like, okay.
赶紧把我拉回来。
Let's get me back.
我想让你回到现在。
I want you to go back to the present.
但帕切特做这个简直轻而易举，闭着眼睛都能搞定。
And Patchett, she could do this standing on her head with one hand.
所以我从来都没经历过那些。
So I never had any of that.
我不清楚你怎么样。
I don't know about you.
是的。
But Yeah.
对。
Mhmm.
没错。
Yes.
我的意思是，她把这两个故事讲得真叫绝了。
I mean, way she spins both those stories, wow.
对。
Mhmm.
对。
Mhmm.
我觉得她确实把两条时间线都处理得特别出色，很有才华，气场也很足。
So, I mean, I agree that she she handles both timelines incredibly with great talent and aplomb.
不过这本书很安静，像帕切特的很多小说一样。
And but this is very much a quiet book as as many Patchett novels are.
但我觉得这一本比她其他作品还要更安静一些。
But this one, even more quiet than most in my estimation.
我同意。
So would agree.
现代这条线可能会显得节奏太慢，甚至有点乏味，但对我来说，其中有一种细腻的美，尤其是那些回忆片段里。
Thus, it the modern day tale, you know, timeline could skew as slow or in a less kind light as dull, that it's there's a subtle beauty that came through for me, especially in the flashback scenes.
我不是说我想一直待在回忆里，但确实觉得那些部分更吸引人。
And I'm not saying that I necessarily wanted to be in the flashback scenes, but I did find them more interesting.
因为主角叫达芙妮，她丈夫乔纳森比她大十三岁。
And that's partly because so the protagonist's name is Daphne, and her husband Jonathan is thirteen years older than she is.
这一点很重要，因为我觉得他的行为方式，完全是那个年代男人对待妻子的样子。
And that's germane because his I feel he his treatment of his wife is very much that of a man of that era.
我觉得他对妻子有点烦人，还带着点居高临下的态度，这让我这个女权主义者有点不爽。
And so I found him a bit annoying and patronizing toward his wife, and it kinda ruffled my feminist feathers a little bit.
但和所有帕切特的小说一样，文字和象征里藏着一种细腻的美。
But, as with all Patchett novels, there's this subtle beauty in the language and the symbolism.
真不错。
So good.
对。
Yes.
没错。
And yeah.
比如说
For instance
达芙妮的成长。
growth of Daphne.
对。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
确实如此。
There is that.
没错。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yes.
再详细说说这个。
Talk a little bit more about that.
你能说说吗？
Would you?
我觉得帕切特就像你说的那样，很含蓄，这正是她的高明之处。
Think that Patchett, again, like you say, subtle, and that's a perfect warrior.
我觉得从这里可以看出，达芙妮和她丈夫的关系一直挺平稳的。
I think what we see through this is Daphne has sort of been in a just, you know, her relationship with her husband has been fine.
但自从她继父出现后，她就开始走出自己的舒适区，想更多地了解他。
But with the entry of her stepfather, she kinda goes outside of her comfort zone as far as getting to know him more.
她丈夫大概觉得，哎呀，这真是巧了。
I think her husband sort of thinks, oh, what a nice coincidence.
挺有意思的，但他又有点想就此打住，别再深究了，就让它留在博物馆里吧。
This is cool, but then sort of wants to maybe leave that alone, leave it at the museum.
可她却走得更远了。
And she sort of goes farther.
她显然更想多了解一些。
She obviously, you know, wants to know more.
她也更想多花点时间陪他。
She wants to spend more time with him.
于是她悄悄地，虽然小说里没明说，但你能感觉到，她开始推动一些事情发展，而这些事要是事先跟乔纳森商量，她可能根本不会做。
And so she very subtly, but you can see it in the novel happening, she sort of makes things happen and pushes things along that possibly she would not have if she had run everything past Jonathan.
对
Mhmm.
对
Mhmm.
而且乔纳森那边也正好有个家庭情况，得离家出差好几个星期，对吧。
And and then also Jonathan, has a family situation that, requires him to leave, go out of town for several weeks Right.
我觉得这也太巧了。
Which I thought was a little too convenient.
是啊。
Right.
是啊。
Right.
我愿意给她这个空间。
I'm willing to give her that.
但我也不确定。
But I don't know.
我注意到她重新联系上了继父埃迪，我们还没提过他的名字，埃迪。
I just found I found the when she's, you know, getting back in touch with her stepfather who Eddie, we haven't named him yet, Eddie.
是的。
Mhmm.
我觉得这部分特别温馨，像泡了个暖暖的澡。
I really found that part sort of a nice warm bath.
我知道你更急着想推进剧情，但我觉得他们重新建立联系的方式特别美，不仅重新熟络起来，还自然地回到了当年埃迪当她继父时那种成年版的相处模式。
I know you were more anxious to get but I just thought it was beautiful the way they not only became reacquainted, but were able to slip into an adult version of what Eddie and Daphne had when he was her stepfather.
我觉得这段处理得真漂亮。
And I just thought that was beautifully rendered.
没错，就是这样。
It precisely.
没错。
Precisely.
不过说真的，我有点难以相信——埃迪实在太好了，幽默、体贴，样样都完美，简直好得不真实。
Almost to the point, though, of I found it a little hard to believe almost that I just I just thought Eddie was so dear and witty and thoughtful, and he just seemed really too good to be true.
是的
Yeah.
也许我生活中缺少足够多这样温柔、体贴的人。
It maybe I don't have enough kind, dear, you know, thoughtful people in my life.
开玩笑的。
Kidding.
对
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
不过挺想知道其他读者怎么看这个角色，是不是也觉得他就像你说的那样，是个温柔善良的人，看看他们俩如何建立起一种新的关系——虽然和以前不一样，但依然很动人。
But it would be interesting to hear what other readers thought about that, whether that is, like, as in my mind, it was just like, oh, what it like you say, a dear, sweet man, and look at how the two of them have been able to make a not the same relationship, obviously, but a different relationship.
对
Yeah.
而且从很多方面来看，这段关系更甜蜜，因为他们俩都更有自主权。
And a sweeter, in many ways, relationship because they both had more agency in it.
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
说得对。
Good point.
不过，我还是为他们浪费的那些年感到惋惜。
I did feel sorry, though, of them for all those lost years.
是啊。
Yes.
你懂的吧？
You know?
还有背后的原因。
And the reason behind it.
是的
Yeah.
对
Mhmm.
对
Mhmm.
是的
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
那些原因
The reasons.
是的
Yeah.
再回到象征意义，我来给大家看看封面。
So and going back to the symbolism, you know, the again, I'll show the cover.
对于只听的人而言，那是一匹孤零零的马站在田野里，身上套着马鞍，嘴里叼着缰绳，看起来像一幅油画。
And for people who are, merely listening, it is a lone horse in a field, and it's but it's saddled up, and it has a bridle in its mouth, and it's, looks like an oil painting.
所以这是惠斯勒的作品，你可能会想，等等。
And so it's Whistler, and you're like, wait.
什么？
What?
这书是讲一匹马的吗？
Is this a book about a horse?
所以一开始，你可能会有点困惑，对吧？
Like and so so for, a few you know?
每次我拿起这本书，都会看看封面，然后打开来读一读。
And and every time I pick up the book, I look at the cover and, you know, open it up and read it.
我就在想，这故事到底发生在什么时候？
And I think, well, when is this?
我甚至猜，这匹马的名字会不会就叫惠斯勒。
I'm thinking maybe the horse's name is Whistler.
惠斯勒什么时候才会在这本书里出现呢？他又会以什么方式出现？
When is Whistler gonna show up in this book, and how is Whistler gonna show up?
要完全理解确实需要点时间，但我总觉得，最后它特别动人，特别美，而且意外地让人豁然开朗。
And, you know, it takes a long time to make fully make sense, but I just thought ultimately it was very poignant, very lovely, very, unexpectedly makes sense.
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yeah.
不是。
No.
这正是我觉得她是我们最伟大的小说家之一的原因，因为……
It's it's and that's another reason why I feel she's one of our greatest novelists because
没错。
Precisely.
嗯哼。
Mhmm.
她这么做，让你心里一直惦记着Whistler这个人是谁。
She and she does that so that you're it's in the back of your mind who is Whistler.
那匹马吗？
Is that the horse?
什么马？
What's the horse?
但与此同时，你又不会觉得太刻意。
But at the same time, you're not, okay.
我们什么时候才讲到马的部分？
When are we getting to the horse part?
根本不是那么回事。
It not that at all.
等她慢慢把这部分融进去的时候，你会恍然大悟。
And then when she weaves it in, you're like, uh-huh.
尤其是她先轻轻带一笔，然后才点明。
Particularly because she spools out a little bit and then Right.
往后翻了几页，内容稍微多了一点。
A number of pages later, a little bit more.
而且每段关于惠斯勒的讲述，在复述过程中变得越来越长。
And each segment about Whistler kind of gets longer in the telling.
所以它真的把你完全包围了。
And so then it's really envelops you.
然后就像，你知道的，天使开始唱歌一样。
And and then it's like, you know, cue the angels singing.
我明白了。
I get it.
为什么是这个？对。
Why this Right.
故事被引入到这里。
Story is being brought in here.
所以，如果能把惠斯勒和其他帕切特最近的小说做个排名，那就太好了。
So, so I'd love if we could rank Whistler compared to other recent Patchett novels.
我跟一个朋友一起做过这事。
I did I did that with a friend of mine.
我本该去翻一下当时的聊天记录的。
I should have looked up the text thread.
我记得我朋友更喜欢《Whistler》，而不是《荷兰屋》，不过
And my friend liked, as I recall, liked Whistler better than the Dutch house, which
嗯。
K.
我不太同意他的看法。
I did not agree with.
对我来说，我还是最钟爱《Tom Lake》。
So for me, I still love Tom Lake the best.
我真的特别喜欢《Tom Lake》。
I just love Tom Lake.
然后我特别喜欢《荷兰屋》。
And then I adore the Dutch house.
话说回来，谁又能说它们哪本能比得上她的作品呢？
And, I mean, who's to say if any of them compare to her?
《贝尔坎托》是她的第一部小说吗？
Is Bell Canto her first novel?
不是。
No.
我手里有她第一部小说的副本。
I have a copy of her first novel.
《说谎者的守护圣人》是1992年出版的，如果你还没读过，我真心推荐你回去看看。
The patron saint of liars came out in 1992, and I would really encourage people if you have not read that, go back.
哪怕就为了看看她当初就已经有这份才华，再对比她后来的成长，真的特别动人。
If for no other reason to see how she has she had that talent and yet to see how she's come with it, it's it's beautiful.
我不久前刚重读了一遍，看完就忍不住感叹：哇。
I just reread it a while ago, and I was like, oh.
因为我妈妈也是她的粉丝，特别爱读书，没错。
Because my mother my mother, who was also a fan, a great reader Yes.
我们每周都会聊一次，有一天她跟我说，我刚读完一本特别棒的书，你一定要买一本看看。
We talked once a week, and one day she said to me, I just finished the most marvelous book, and you've got to get a copy.
真好。
That's lovely.
真好。
That's lovely.
如果按最近几年的作品来排，我觉得对我来说，顺序应该是《汤姆湖》《荷兰屋》，然后是《哨兵》，再是《联邦》。
So so I would put in terms of, more modern or or, more recent Patchett novels, for me, it would go Tom Lake, Dutch House, and then Whistler, and then Commonwealth.
那本书我没留下什么印象。
I didn't that book didn't really too much stick with me.
那本是我最不喜欢的。
So That was my least favorite.
其实她写完《说谎者的守护圣人》之后，还出了《塔夫特》和《魔术师的助手》，但我都没读完。
Well, actually, I you know, she wrote two after the patron saint of liar, Taft and the magician's assistant, and I did not finish either of those books.
哦。
Oh.
所以我当时就想，好吧。
So I just thought, okay.
那本书嘛，说真的，完全没感觉。
That was a that was a, you know, none.
她后来就倦怠了。
She burned out.
哦，确实。
Oh, yeah.
我们可以把安·帕切特扔进垃圾堆了。
We can file Ann Patchett on the garbage heap.
没错。
Right.
没错。
Right.
谢谢妈，不过算了。
Thanks, mom, but no thanks.
凤凰城。
Phoenix.
然后她写了《贝尔坎托》，这是我个人最喜爱的一本。
And then she wrote Bell Canto, which is my personal favorite.
我觉得《贝尔坎托》真的特别出色。
I think Bell Canto is just marvelous.
对，没错。
And Mhmm.
你知道吗，如果你试图向别人推荐这本书，一说起情节——我可不想听那些细节——别人立马就一脸茫然。
You know, if if you try to sell it to somebody, well, you know, if you start talking about the plot, which I won't hear, you're gonna get a lot of glazed overlooks.
没错。
Precisely.
而且你一开口
And you'll be
就会让人觉得：啊？
like, what?
尤其是。
Particularly.
等等。
Wait.
写那本小说的那位作家也写了《汤姆湖》？
The woman who wrote that novel also wrote Tom Lake?
我不太明白。
I don't understand.
我的意思是，她那本代表作叫什么来着，是《……的状态》？
Well, kind of like, what is her one, the state of
《惊奇》。
Wonder.
《惊奇的状态》。
The state of wonder.
《惊奇的状态》。
State of wonder.
这本也是，离主题可够远的。
That's another one that, travels very far afield.
是的。
Yes.
确实如此。
Very much so.
事实上没错。
In fact yeah.
对。
Yeah.
还有《贝尔曹托》，不过我最钟爱的是《贝尔曹托》，然后是《钟表匠》，再就是《荷兰屋》。
That and Bell but Bell Canto is probably my favorite, and I guess and then I would say Whistler and then the Dutch House.
哦，原来《汤姆·莱克》在你这儿排不上号啊。
Oh oh, Tom Lake's not up there for you.
《汤姆·莱克》我读过，也挺欣赏的，但说实话，它没排在我最喜欢的前列。
Tom Lake, I enjoyed, and I admired, but no, it's not it's not up at the top for me.
我真的可以坦率地说，除了《塔夫特》和《魔术师的助手》，她其他的书从来没让我失望过。
I really I really I mean, I I can honestly say that with that with the exception of Taft and the magician's assistant, she's never really disappointed me.
《联邦》我觉得有点平平无奇，但也不至于差。
Commonwealth, I think, was sort of mediocre, but, no.
我特别喜欢她在这本小说里的处理方式。
I just I loved what she did with this novel.
太棒了。
Oh, fantastic.
真的很棒。
Fantastic.
好了。
Alright.
现在是广告时间，了解一下支持本节目的品牌。
It's time for a break to learn about the brands that support this show.
接下来还有更多新小说推荐。
More new novels to come.
感谢 Currex 长期支持我们的各项运动爱好。
Thanks to Currex for its longtime support in all our athletic pursuits.
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For 15% off your entire Currex order, visit currex.com and use code AMR 15.
Currex 鞋垫融合最新的医学与生物力学研究成果，专为提供无与伦比的舒适感、运动表现和防伤效果而设计。
Utilizing the latest medical and biomechanics research, Currex insoles are engineered for unequaled comfort, performance, and injury prevention.
无论你从事什么运动——跑步、徒步、骑行、高尔夫还是球类运动，都该从基础做起，为成功打好根基。
Whatever activity you do, running, hiking, cycling, golf, or court sports, you want to set yourself up for success.
把运动鞋原配的鞋垫换掉，换成一副 Currex 鞋垫，从脚底开始提升体验。
Start from the ground up by replacing the insoles your athletic shoes come with for a pair of Currex insoles.
凭借专利的动态足弓技术和双层缓震结构，Currex 鞋垫能精准支撑足部，顺应自然步态，帮助膝盖和髋关节保持正确对齐。
With its patented dynamic arch technology and a dual layer of cushioning, Currex insoles properly support the foot and its natural movement for ideal knee and hip alignment.
更换鞋垫非常快捷方便。
Swapping insoles is quick and easy.
我穿的是大号，正好适合我十一码的运动鞋；如果鞋稍微大一点，Currex 鞋垫也容易修剪调整。
The size I wear, large, fits perfectly in my size eleven athletic shoes, and Currex insoles are easy to trim to fit your size if it's a little big for your shoes.
我用的是高足弓款，他们还有中等和低足弓的版本。
I wear the high arch version, and they're also available in medium and low arch.
Currex 提供市面上最全的运动专用鞋垫系列，涵盖跑步、骑行、徒步、步行、足球、球类运动，还有整天站立工作的上班族专用款。
Currex offers the largest line of sport activity specific insoles, including ones for running, cycling, hiking, walking, soccer, court sports, plus ones for folks who are on their feet all day in the workplace.
亲身体验 Currex 的不同之处，今天就放心试一试。
Feel the Currex difference and try Currex risk free today.
公司提供六十天保修期，即使你已经剪裁过鞋垫以适应鞋子尺寸也一样有效。
The company offers a sixty day warranty even if the product has been cut to fit your shoes.
上 currex.com，使用代码 AMR 15，全单享八五折。
Visit currex.com and use code AMR 15 for 15% off your entire order.
就是 currex.com，代码 AMR 15，立减百分之十五。
That's currex.com with code AMR 15 for 15% off.
currex.com，别忘了用 AMR 15 这个代码。
Currex.com, that code AMR 15.
Hettas 跑鞋，专为女性生物力学设计，从鞋底开始打造。
Hettas running shoes, built from the ground up for women's biomechanics.
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Save 20% with code STAYFEISTY at hettas.com.
就像我最近在这档节目里说的，Feisty 给我介绍了好多好东西，Hettas 跑鞋就是其中之一。
Like I said recently on this show, Feisty is introducing me to so many great things, including Hettas running shoes.
Hettas 是一家加拿大品牌，专门设计女性跑鞋。
Hettas is a Canadian brand that only makes running shoes for women.
他们与大学合作，推进针对女性生物力学和运动表现的研究。
In partnership with the university, the Hettas folks are advancing research focused on women's biomechanics and performance.
Hettas 跑鞋专为女性打造，基于科学数据，经过实际运动测试。
Hettas shoes are built specifically for women, grounded in evidence, and tested in motion.
大多数跑鞋的外底在跑完几百公里后就开始磨损了。
Most running shoe outsoles start breaking down within a few 100 kilometers.
Hettas 在 Alma 系列上采用了不同的设计，用的是浇注聚氨酯外底，而不是普通橡胶。
Hettas took a different approach with the Alma line, a cast polyurethane outsole instead of standard rubber.
它的耐磨性能大约是传统橡胶的两倍，这可不是实验室里的空话。
It's roughly double the abrasion resistance of traditional rubber, and it's not just a lab claim.
两位顶尖跑者各自穿了一双鞋跑了超过一千公里，一位跑了1600公里，另一位甚至达到了1900公里才磨坏。
Two elite runners put over a thousand kilometers on a single pair each, one hitting 1,600 kilometers and the other 1,900 before wearing through.
跑了这么远的路，脚底依然稳稳当当。
That's a lot of pavement without losing your footing.
我来帮你换算一下。
And let me do the conversion for you.
一位跑者差不多跑了1000英里，另一位接近1200英里。
That's one runner going nearly 1,000 miles and the other nearly 1,200 miles.
这就是Hettas的Alma跑鞋，专为耐久而设计的路跑鞋。
That's the Alma from Hettas, a road shoe built to last.
记得买大半码。
Be sure to order a half size up.
别忘了趁优惠入手。
Try and save.
去hettas.com，用代码STAYFEISTY享受八折优惠。
Go to hettas.com and use the code STAYFEISTY for 20% off.
在 hettas.com 使用优惠码 STAYFEISTY，立享八折优惠，hettas.com，代码是 S-T-A-Y-F-E-I-S-T-Y，八折。
That's STAYFEISTY for 20% off at hettas.com, hettas.com with code STAY, f e I s t y, for 20% off.
明白了。
Okay.
下一本是泰迪·韦恩的《保姆》，一部情节反转不断的家庭惊悚小说。
The next book is The Au Pair by Teddy Wayne, a twisty page turner of a domestic thriller.
埃利森，能跟我们说说这本书吗？
So tell us about it, please, Ellison.
好的。
Okay.
其实一开始你可能会觉得，嗯，老一套。
Well, let you know, it starts off and you think, yeah.
没什么新意。
Same old.
就是老套路。
Same old.
有个叫史蒂文的作家，写完一本就没了下文。
You got a Steven who, is a kind of one and done novelist.
他那本小说一炮而红，可这五年来，他一直在写第二本，迟迟没完成。
He had this novel that shot off, and he's been working on his second novel now for about five years.
说他有写作障碍、进展不顺，都算轻描淡写了。
And he's to say that he's got writer's block and is stumbling is an understatement.
meanwhile，他娶了莉莉。
In the meantime, he is married to Lily.
莉莉特别有事业心，在金融行业打拼，是家里的主要经济支柱，而且出身豪门。
Lily is an extreme go getter, works in finance, is mainly the breadwinner of the family, also comes from a very wealthy family.
所以史蒂文某种程度上觉得自己像个家庭主夫，不过他们家一直请着保姆照顾两个女儿。
And so Steven has sort of sees himself in some ways being relegated to a house husband, but they've always had a nanny for their two girls.
他们原来的保姆走了，莉莉就跟史蒂文说：你去找个新的。
They lose their longtime nanny, and Lucy says to Steven, find us a new one.
嗯。
Uh-huh.
史蒂文就这么做了，还真找了个漂亮的姑娘，她来自哪儿呢？
And Steven does just that, and he finds a hot chick from is she from no.
她是挪威人，叫阿斯特丽德。
She's Norwegian, Astrid.
是个年轻姑娘。
Young woman.
我觉得她大概二十一二岁吧。
She's I think she's probably about 21, 22.
但她资质齐全，于是阿斯特丽德就来到纽约，当起了保姆。
But she comes with all the the accreditations, and and so Astrid comes to New York and is the nanny.
这时候你可能会想，好吧。
And so then you think, okay.
这下又要重蹈覆辙了。
We're gonna go into the same thing here.
丈夫跟保姆搞上了。
Husband starts affair with a nanny.
对
Mhmm.
你懂的
You know?
乱成一团，但就在这个时候，韦恩开始歪曲事实，因为叙述者是史蒂文。
Pandemonium ensues, but that is when Wayne sort of starts to twist things because the narrator is Steven.
你慢慢了解了史蒂文，然后发生了一件事，一件非常不幸的事。
And you get to know Steven, and then something happens, something very unfortunate happens.
突然间，我们就不知道谁才是好人了。
And all of a sudden, we don't know who the good guys are.
我们以为自己知道发生了什么，但真的知道吗？
We think we know what happened, but do we?
是的
Mhmm.
我们以为自己知道史蒂文和阿斯特丽德之间会发生什么，但真的知道吗？
And we think we know what is going to happen between Steven and Astrid, but do we?
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是的。
Mhmm.
所以这里面有很多让人想不通的地方，你懂的，到底发生了什么？
So there's there's a lot of mind boggling and sort of, you know, what what's happening here?
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
他肯定会这么做。
He certainly is going to do this.
对吧？
Isn't he?
韦恩在这儿真的玩弄了我们的心理。
And a lot of Wayne really plays with our psyches here.
我就这么说吧。
I'll just say that.
对。
Yes.
你觉得怎么样？
What do you think?
对。
Yeah.
这本小说从一开始我就被吸引住了。
So this novel hooked me from the get go.
虽然有几个情节有点牵强，但我还是愿意忽略这些，因为读起来真的很过瘾。
And even though, you know, a plot point or two strain credulity, I I was willing to overlook that as it was a really enjoyable ride.
就像你说的，有些转折完全出乎我的意料。
As you say, you you sort of you know, there were some curveballs that you didn't that I didn't see coming.
我读书的时候脑子里一直在转，拼命猜接下来会发生什么。
You know, just it got my mind whirring as I was reading, trying to figure out where it was going.
我是在飞机上开始读的，整个两小时的航程都没放下。
I started it on an airplane, and I read it for the entire two hour flight.
真厉害。
Wow.
是的
Yeah.
你知道，这对我来说意义重大。
You know, that for me is really saying something.
是的
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
我读这本书的时候就在想，惊悚小说里由男性当叙述者，其实挺少见的。
And as I was reading this, I was thinking that it's, you know, somewhat uncommon to have a male narrator in a thriller.
你知道，现在太多都是像《列车上的女孩》那种女性主角了。
You know, there's so many women, you know, the kind of girl on a train.
身陷危险。
In peril.
对。
Mhmm.
是的
Yeah.
女性处于危险中的叙述者
Women in peril narrators.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yes.
对
Mhmm.
是的
Yeah.
所以你看，史蒂文确实是在讲述他和他生命中两位女性的经历，但他才是主角。
So so, you know, sure, Steven is narrating what happens to him and the two women in his life, but he is the main character.
我当时想，也许我只是读的惊悚小说还不够多。
And I thought, well, maybe I just haven't read enough thrillers.
也许我对以男性为主角的惊悚小说不太了解，但不，我查了下谷歌，证实了我的想法——通常讲故事的都是女性。
Maybe I'm ignorant of male protagonist thrillers, but, no, a Google search confirmed my supposition that that typically it is a woman who is the, you know, storyteller.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
他本来也可以这么做。
And he could have done that.
韦恩完全可以不用露西或阿斯特丽德的视角，自己来讲这个故事。
Wayne could have done that easily with this story, neither Lucy or Astrid's voice.
所以我觉得这挺有意思的。
So I do think it's interesting.
他选择让
He decided to have
嗯。
Mhmm.
让斯蒂芬来当叙述者。
Stephen be the narrator.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Mhmm.
所以，没错，我觉得这本书非常有趣，读起来很享受，感觉泰迪·韦恩讲这个故事特别靠谱。
So so, yeah, I found it, very, very enjoyable, and I thought I I felt like I was in capable hands with Teddy Wayne in the telling of the story.
明白了。
Okay.
我们第三本适合夏天读的小说是珍妮·杰克逊的《洗发水效应》。
Our third novel that's ripe for summer reading is The Shampoo Effect by Jenny Jackson.
对。
And yeah.
给我们讲讲这本书的剧情吧。
Tell us about the plot of this one.
好的。
Okay.
这本书你有没有读过她的第一本小说《菠萝街》？
This one is probably I noticed that you have not or had not read Pineapple Street, her first novel?
她第一本小说，不过我后来听过了。
Her first novel, but I have since listened to it.
明白了。
Okay.
好的。
Okay.
行吧。
Alright.
因为她的第一本小说出版时，媒体宣传很多，毕竟她在出版界是个大人物。
Because, there was a lot of press that went out with her first novel because she's a huge, bigwig in the publishing industry.
对。
Mhmm.
我得说，我读这本第二部小说《洗发水效应》的时候有点犹豫，但真的挺喜欢的。
And I would I have to say that I went into this second book, The Shampoo Effect, with a little bit of hesitation, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
我也是。
So did I.
我觉得它比我想的结构更扎实。
Thought it was really it was better put together than I thought.
你和我都不是书中角色所处的那个年龄段。
And neither you nor I are in the age category that I know.
我知道。
I know.
角色们。
Characters.
好的。
Okay.
你那套说给我听吧。
Speak for yourself.
这个故事讲的是一个年轻女性，卡罗琳·拉什，她一直在出版行业做宣传，平时自己写短篇小说，后来在《纽约客》上发表了作品，这给了她信心，想申请一个所谓的……
So this is about a young woman, Caroline Lash, who has been in the publishing business and was in publicity and then really had been writing short stories on her own, was published in the New Yorker, and that emboldened her to try to get one of these what do
你们管这叫什么？
you call them?
比如奖学金。
Like a fellowship.
格林奖。
Green.
对。
Yeah.
就是那种奖学金，像麦克道威尔奖之类的。
Like a fellowship, like a McDowell or or something.
她申请了这个奖学金，结果还真拿到了。
And she applies for this fellowship and gets it.
那是个很小的海滨社区，但属于那种高档的海滨小镇。
And it's a very small sort of, beach community, but a very small sort of high end beach community.
对。
Uh-huh.
在科德角。
Up in Cape Cod.
对。
Uh-huh.
在科德角。
Up in Cape Cod.
很好。
Good.
好的。
Alright.
为期九个月。
And it's for nine months.
她还没到那儿，就先遇到一个小伙子，人特别温柔又有点古怪，后来才知道他就在那儿工作。
And when she gets there, she really even before she gets there, she meets a young man who is sweet, quirky, and it turns out that he actually works up there.
他是从小一起长大的一群朋友中的一个，大家认识很多年了。
And he is part of a group of friends that have known each other since they were very, very young.
是的。
Yeah.
他年纪比她大不少。
He's a good bit not a good bit older.
他大概比她大五到六岁，也可能有十岁左右吧？
He's probably about five or six years or maybe about ten years older than her, was it?
我觉得他比她大八到十岁。
I would say eight to ten years older than she is.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得她应该是刚进入Z世代的年纪。
I think she's I think she's definitely, very beginning Gen z.
是的。
Yes.
然后她的男朋友和他所有的朋友都是千禧一代。
And then the boyfriend and all his friends are millennials.
这一点很关键，因为这本书探讨的一些主题就与此有关。
And that's crucial because ultimately that's some of the themes in the book explore that.
我刚才就是这个意思，一提到代际问题，我就想到Z世代和X世代。
And that's that's where I was sort of like because when you start talking gens to me, I'm like, you know, z x.
你懂的。
You know?
是不是因为我的孩子是Z世代？
Isn't that because my kids are Gen z?
所以。
So
对。
Yeah.
在我看来，卡罗尔是X世代。
It just to me, and and Carol's Gen X.
所以，我真是有点震惊。
And so, you know, I'm sort of like, oh my gosh.
你懂的？
You know?
让我回到婴儿潮一代吧。
Get me back with the boomers.
我当时在做笔记。
I was writing the notes.
我查过资料，确认自己对各代人的称呼没错。
I'd looked it up to make sure I was right in my names of the generations.
所以我坚持我的说法。
So I stand firm.
对。
Yeah.
我简直觉得该在冰箱上贴点什么。
I almost feel like I need to have something on the refrigerator.
Z世代的人比较好懂。
Gen z's are easier.
X世代呢，
Gen x,
你知道的，代际谱系这事儿。
you know, generation genealogy.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
肯定有人会拿这个点子去申请版权分成。
Somebody is going to take that idea We go with want residuals.
说得太对了。
That's exactly right.
至少给我发一个。
At least send me one.
总之，她和一个叫范的年轻人变得非常亲密。
Anyway, she becomes very involved with this young man whose name is Van.
卡罗琳和范很快就发展出一段甜蜜的关系，他想把她介绍给自己的朋友圈。
And Carolyn and Van start a very sweet relationship that moves along right quickly, and he wants to introduce her to this group of of friends that he has.
他们关系非常紧密。
And they are pretty close knit.
我的意思是，他们不太容易接纳新人。
And by that, I mean, they don't suffer newcomers easily.
对。
Yes.
所以书的早期，这可能有点剧透，但卡罗琳发现范的前女友怀孕了。
So early on in the book, and this is not, well, it may be a bit of a spoiler, but Carolyn finds out that Van's old girlfriend is pregnant.
范之前有个孩子
They Van had midget
旅行。
tour.
他对此特别坦率。
He's he's very open about it.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
That's true.
他们之前是玩暧昧的关系。
And they had friends with benefits.
他说，我们其实很久没约会了，从高中大学以后就没正经谈过，这事就这么发生了。
You know, he says, we haven't dated in a long time, really since, you know, high school and college, and this just happened.
我依然想和你在一起，卡罗琳，但你也得明白，这事正在发生，我会尽力去支持她。
And, I still wanna be with you, Caroline, but, you know, you need to realize that this is happening, and I'm I'm, you know, gonna try to support her.
为范辩解一下，他是在认识卡罗琳之前让贝利怀孕的。
In in Van in Van's defense, he got, Bailey, the woman pregnant before he met Caroline.
说得一点没错。
So That's exactly right.
没错。
Yes.
所以他并没有甩了卡罗琳。
So he did not dip out on Caroline.
确实如此。
He That's exactly right.
怀孕发生在他们认识卡罗琳之前。
The the conception predated him meeting Caroline.
对。
Mhmm.
完全正确，医生。
That's exactly right, doctor.
是的。
Yes.
所以很明显，这件事会牵扯出很多方面——卡罗琳一方面想做个支持型女友，另一方面又想融入这群朋友，但朋友们对她接受程度不一。
So, of course, this, you know, leaves you with a, you can see this is going go in many directions, and it does, with Carolyn on one hand trying to be the supportive girlfriend, also trying to sort of break into this group of friends, some of whom are more accepting of her than others.
我们也就有机会认识了这些朋友，尤其是那些女性和她们的伴侣。
And, you know, we get to meet the friends, particularly the women, and their spouses or partners.
这又印证了你之前说的，没想到这么多人抽烟，真是让人惊讶。
And this speaks again to what you were saying about the difference as far as how like, who knew that so many of these people smoke?
我的意思是，像我们这一代人。
I mean, you know, my generation.
软糖。
Gummies.
天哪。
My gosh.
我的天。
Oh my gosh.
我们现在听起来就像老年人了，但是
Now we're going to sound like like old people, but
我就是觉得像当爹的那样。
I just was like daddies.
等等，我有点疑惑。
I'm like, wait.
千禧一代的父母真的整天都晕乎乎的吗？
Do millennial parents really walk around stoned all the time?
那对夫妻，是这样吗？
And that that couple turns, did it?
是的。
Yeah.
知道的。
Know.
问题就在这儿。
That's the thing.
他们轮流来。
They take turns.
所以啊，偶数日你带孩子，奇数日我就吃颗软糖，或者抽几口烟。
So, you know, you're on the even days, honey, and on the odd days, I get to take my gummy or take a few hits off a doobie.
我当时就愣住了。
Like, I was like, what?
手机不是已经足够让我们消遣了吗？
Aren't phones supposed to be enough to keep us, you know, entertained?
我们
Like, we
也得把自己弄麻木吗？
have to numb out too?
所以说，确实如此。
So, yeah.
而且说实话，他们聊起这个态度很认真，可说起育儿，又是另一套说法了。现在这种双亲共育的方式，我们这一代其实才刚开始接触，那时候根本没人这么干。
And I mean, it's and it's a serious, I mean, the way they talk about it, and yet the way they talk about raising children, all of the things that come into that now, you know, the dual parenting, which, you know, my generation, we were sort of tip of the iceberg on that, and we didn't have anybody.
我的母亲那一代，大多数妈妈都不在外面工作。
I mean, you know, most of our mothers my mother didn't work outside the home.
从我这一代的角度来看，这种变化挺有意思的。
So it's interesting as coming in from my generation and seeing that.
再想想卡罗琳，她一心想要当上小说家，看着这群朋友的生活，觉得这简直是绝佳的写作素材。
And then you think about Carolyn who is striving to, you know, establish herself as a novelist and sees what's going on with this group of friends and begins to see that, some pretty good material here.
没错。
Yes.
确实如此。
Yes.
得提一下，这个虚构的小镇叫格林黑德，据说是以珍妮·杰克逊长大的马萨诸塞州伊普斯维奇为原型的，还有约翰·谢弗，他也是那儿的人。
And and it should be pointed out that so so this town, this fictional town is called Greenhead, and it is, supposedly based on Ipswich, Massachusetts, which is where Jenny Jackson grew up, and then also where is it John Updike or John Sheaver?
约翰·谢弗。
John Sheaver.
约翰·谢弗。
John Sheaver.
我本来以为
I thought
是谢弗。
it was Sheaver.
我很确定
I'm pretty
没错。
sure.
就是。
It is.
不是。
No.
确实是谢弗，因为我读的时候一直以为是厄普代克。
It is Sheaver because all the whole time I was reading, I was thinking it was Updike.
是谢弗。
It's Sheaver.
所以约翰·谢弗来自伊普斯维奇，至少他那些非常出名、崭露头角的小说都是以那里为背景的，
And so it's John Sheaver was from Ipswich, or at least that's where he set his kind of famous, really upstart novels that really
其实是短篇故事。
short stories.
对。
Yeah.
是啊。
Yeah.
他揭开了上世纪六十年代郊区社区的面纱，展现了表面之下暗流涌动的真实生活。
And blew open the nineteen sixties bedroom communities and showed kind of what was boiling underneath the surface there.
然后卡罗琳住进了一栋房子，那正是虚构的约翰·谢弗的写作小屋。
And so then and then she's in this Caroline is in this house that was this fictional John Sheaver's his cottage, his writing cottage.
这让我觉得特别有意思，也很有文学意味。
So that to me was very interesting and a nice literary slant
没错。
Yes.
就像洗发水广告那样。
To the shampoo effect.
而且我觉得杰克逊确实深入探讨了一些非常有意思的当代主题。
And I just also felt that that Jackson really examined some really interesting contemporary themes.
我发现她的篇幅并不长。
I found her it wasn't very long.
我的意思是，可能只有半页，或者一两页，但讲的是千禧一代和Z世代在性观念上的差异。
I mean, it was only maybe half a page or maybe a couple pages, but kind of the difference between the sexual mores of millennials versus Gen z.
作为好几个Z世代孩子的妈妈，我觉得这个特别有意思。
As the mom of a bunch of Gen Zers, I found that really interesting.
你懂的。
You know?
实际情况是，人们常说千禧一代是最后一代还把事情看成非黑即白的。
And and what it was was, you know, that that saying that millennials are kind of the last generation that see things as binary.
这确实挺有意思的。
And so that was interesting.
我觉得让卡罗琳作为唯一的Z世代角色挺有意思的。
And I thought it was interesting to have Caroline be the sole Gen Zer.
没错。
And then Yes.
杰克逊确实很擅长通过卡罗琳把读者带进故事里。
And so but so Jackson really does a good job of bringing you into the novel with Caroline.
开头好几页都聚焦在她身上，让她成为主角，然后她又把朋友们，尤其是那些女性角色，都刻画得特别生动。
Like, I feel like there's more pages given to her in the beginning so that she's established as the main character, but then she really fleshes out so many of the friends, as to your point, mostly the women.
每一章讲的都是不同的人，但她总会回到贝利或者其他角色身上。
And so then, you know, the story each chapter is, you know, about a different person and, you know, she comes back to Bailey or whoever it is.
读者一开始牢牢跟着卡罗琳，其他人物再一层层地、巧妙地铺展开来。
And but so that you're really kind of rooted in with Caroline, and then the rest get layered on with with skill and finesse.
确实如此。
Very much so.
非常对。
Very much.
她还提到一对夫妻，尤其是妻子，得承担起照顾父母的责任，这一点我很触动。
And she you know, I loved also there's a a one storyline where she's talking about this one couple having to be, especially the wife or the the woman, having to be feeling like she has to take care of her parents.
她的父母经济状况很不稳定。
That her parents are in a financial sort of a precarious position.
这让我想到，像我这个年纪的人，很多人要么退休储蓄不够，要么把钱都给了孩子，或者根本存不下钱。
And that that really toggles with a lot of what I'm seeing now is that there are a lot of people my age who either have not saved adequately for retirement or have given their children a lot, just whatever, or they haven't been able to save.
于是，他们自己处境艰难的同时，成年子女还在努力站稳脚跟，又要抚养年幼的孩子。
So they're in a precarious position at the same time that their adult children are trying to establish themselves, are raising small children.
这其实又是‘夹心一代’的写照。
And, you know, it's another look at the sandwich generation.
确实如此。
Yeah.
我觉得这本小说特别吸引人。
So I really I thought this was a really engaging novel.
我总是特别期待再拿起来继续读。
I was always very excited to pick it back up.
是的。
Yes.
以至于我还会特意挤出更多时间，不像以前那样随便应付一下。
And so so much so that I would kind of carve out extra time, you know, instead of being like, oh, yeah.
我会多花十分钟继续学Duolingo。
I'm gonna keep doing Duolingo for ten more minutes.
不，我才不呢。
I'm like, no.
不。
No.
不。
No.
我非得读完《洗发水效应》不可，而且要读得比原计划久得多。
I gotta I wanna read The Shampoo Effect, and read for much longer than I planned to read.
所以就像我刚才说的，我真的很喜欢这本书。
So so as I said then, I liked it so well.
于是我又回去听了你提到的珍妮·杰克逊的处女作《菠萝街》，这本书风格也挺像的。
So then I went back and I listened to Jenny Jackson's debut novel that you mentioned, Pineapple Street, which again is similar.
书里人物众多，但都生活在同一个圈子里。
It has a fairly large cast of characters all in the same orbit.
不过这次主角不是一群朋友，而是一个住在布鲁克林的富裕家庭。
But this time, instead of a group of friends, it's about a wealthy family in Brooklyn.
有意思的是，我发现《洗发水效应》里的卡罗琳和《菠萝街》里的佐治亚——也就是这家最小的女儿，我都不是很喜欢。
Interestingly, though, I found both the main characters in The Shampoo Effect and Pineapple Street, Caroline and Georgia, respectively, who is the the family's youngest daughter, I didn't really like them very much.
我觉得她们俩都挺乏味的。
I found them kind of insipid.
是啊。
Yeah.
我在想，这可能不是她刻意为之，但我不太确定是不是这样。
And I wonder if that I don't wanna say I don't think that was intentional on her effect and her, but I wondered.
我觉得这确实是故意的。
I think it is kind of intentional.
就是啊。
Like, yeah.
我真想摇晃他们一下。
Just I just kinda wanted to shake them by the shoulders.
对。
Right.
是的。
Mhmm.
对。
Right.
是的。
Mhmm.
对。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
不过说实话，这本书的文笔和情节节奏都让我一直很投入，特别有意思。
So but, I mean, the writing, the pace of the plot, they all kept me very engaged and entertained.
绝对值得带去旅行，你会忍不住一再拿起来看。
Like, definitely bring this on a trip because you will be gravitating toward it repeatedly.
我觉得就是这样。
That's what I think.
还有另一本读书会选的书。
And another book club book.
我真的觉得，哪怕对不是我这个年纪的人来说，也挺合适的。
I really think I think even for somebody in well, maybe not my generation.
我在想，我一些同龄人可能会觉得……
I'm thinking about how some of my peers might
我的
My
亚特兰大。
Atlanta.
这太离谱了。
That is outlandish.
那这又是什么？
Now what is this?
他们拿的是什么东西？
What is it they're taking?
是
Are
那种酸甜软糖吗？
those Sour Patch Kid gummies?
不是同一种软糖。
No, not the same type of gummy.
对。
Yeah.
但我真的觉得，我很喜欢这个。
But I do think, I really like this.
通常来说，像《Pineapple Street》这样的重磅新书发布后，第二本往往会被推着赶紧出来。
And usually, you know, when there's a big debut that comes out and Pineapple Street was a big debut, usually, I find that the second book has sort of pushed, you know, come on.
趁热打铁，赶紧把它推出去吧。
Let's ride your high and get it out.
我完全没有那种洗发水效应的感觉。
I did not have the feeling with the shampoo effect.
对，没错。
Mhmm.
我觉得特别棒。
Thought it was great.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
我也很期待。
And I'm looking forward.
希望珍妮·杰克逊在这一本之后还能写出更多小说。
I hope Jenny Jackson has many more novels to come after this.
如果你在听的话，珍妮。
If if you're listening, Jenny.
是的
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
听我们的，亲爱的。
Take it from us, hon.
你
You
你的未来一片光明。
got a bright future ahead of you.
很好。
Good.
好的。
Okay.
现在该休息一小会儿了。
It's time for another brief break.
如果你也想体验一把夏令营的感觉，但又不想睡上下铺、用旱厕，那就来参加Feisty Fest吧——这个活动将在夏天尾声于美丽的宾夕法尼亚州利哈伊谷举行。
If you're craving a summer camp experience of your own, minus bunk beds and outhouses, join us at Feisty Fest, happening in the final days of summer in lovely Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.
这是一场为期三天、专为女性打造的活动，核心就是运动、学习与社群联结。
This three day festival is crafted specifically for women and dedicated entirely to movement, learning, and community.
活动提供丰富多彩的运动项目：越野跑、砾石路骑行、游泳课程、匹克球教学、场地自行车、力量训练，还有适合所有水平的瑜伽课。
Feisty Fest serves up active options galore, trail runs, gravel rides, swim clinics, pickleball instruction, track cycling, lifting sessions, yoga for all levels of participants.
此外，还有由充满热情、学识渊博的专家主持的圆桌讨论，以及几乎每期Feisty播客的现场录制。
There are also panel discussions with lively, knowledgeable experts, and numerous recording sessions of almost every Feisty podcast.
我们网站上提供了详细的活动日程。
We have a detailed schedule of events and activities on our site.
我特别期待两个讲座：一个是安妮卡·韦德讲的‘受伤后的韧性与自我认同’，她本身也是一位适应性山地车手；另一个是关于如何用心率训练的课，我敢打赌莉兹教练一定会参与。
Two learning sessions I'm especially looking forward to, resilience and identity after injury with Annika Wade, who is, among other things, an adaptive mountain biker and how to train with heart rate session that I'm fairly certain coach Liz will be a part of.
当然，也会安排充足的休息时间，让你放松身心，和其他女性建立联系。
And there's also much needed downtime to decompress and connect with other women.
和夏令营一样，你可以一个人来，也可以和朋友结伴参加。
As with summer camp, you can attend solo or with friends.
和所有线下活动一样，这个活动也有‘另一个妈妈跑者’的参与。
And like all IRL events, another mother runner has a hand in.
你会带着更快乐的心情、更健康的状态，以及一手机的新朋友回家。
You'll head home happier, healthier, and with a phone full of new friends.
要不要现在就开始编友谊手链？
Maybe start weaving friendship bracelets now?
想了解更多关于Feisty Fest的信息，请访问 feisty.co。
Learn more about Feisty Fest by going to feisty.co.
就是 feisty.co。
That's feisty.co.
再强调一下，Feisty Fest。
Again, Feisty Fest.
去 feisty.co 看看吧。
Go to feisty.co.
非常感谢 Tifosi Optics 一直以来对 Another Mother Runner 的支持。
I'm so grateful to Tifosi Optics for its continued support of another mother runner.
在 Tifosi Optics 官网使用代码 Feisty twenty twenty six 可享八折优惠，别忘了点节目笔记里的链接参与抽奖，赢取免费眼镜一副。
Get 20% off with code Feisty twenty twenty six at Tifosi Optics dot com, and click on the link in the show notes to enter a giveaway for a free pair.
我信赖 Tifosi Optics 的太阳镜，它能有效保护我的眼睛和视力。
Tifosi Optics is the brand of sunglasses I trust to protect my eyes and my vision.
戴起来舒适、好看，价格也合理。
They're effective, comfortable, cute, and reasonably priced.
Tifosi 提供了这么多款式和颜色，价格亲民，质量与性能一点都没打折扣。
Tifosi offers so many styles and colors of glasses at such reasonable prices without compromising on quality or performance.
Tifosi的眼镜既有适合运动的款式，也有日常佩戴的风格。
Tifosi offers styles for sporty pursuits as well as everyday life.
我跑步、骑车、打匹克球、开车、逛街的时候都戴着。
I wear mine running, riding, playing pickleball, driving, and walking around town.
Tifosi太阳镜能100%阻挡UVA和UVB紫外线，有效保护你的眼睛。
Tifosi sunglasses provide 100% UVA UVB protection, keeping harmful rays from your eyes.
Tifosi采用防碎聚碳酸酯镜片，耐刮擦，还能减少眩光。
Tifosi's shatterproof polycarbonate lenses are scratch resistant, and they reduce glare.
很多款式还提供偏光镜片选项，我特别喜欢，因为视野更清晰，尤其在开车和打球场上。
And many styles offer options with polarized lenses, which I love for the clarity they provide, especially on the road and court.
我很高兴Tifosi每个月都会送一副他们超棒的太阳镜给一位幸运听众。
I'm excited that Tifosi is giving away a pair of their awesome sunnies to one lucky listener every month.
点击节目笔记里的链接就能参与。
Click on the link in the show notes to enter.
与其等着看能不能中奖，不如直接入手一副？
Or why wait to see if you win?
今年夏天买新太阳镜，使用代码 Feisty twenty twenty 六，在 tifosioptics.com 享受八折优惠。
Buy new sunglasses this summer and get 20% off Tifosi sunglasses with code Feisty twenty twenty six at tifosioptics.com.
再提醒一次，访问 tifosioptics.com，使用代码 Feisty twenty twenty 六，立享八折。
Again, get 20% off Tifosi sunglasses using code Feisty twenty twenty six at tifosioptics.com.
代码是 Feisty，记住啊，f-e-i-s-t-y 二十二六，就在 tifosioptics.com。
That code Feisty, remember, it's f e I s t y twenty twenty six at tifosioptics.com.
我跟着 Feisty 学到了好多新东西，比如第一次听说 Cozy Earth 这个品牌。
I am learning so much with Feisty, including new for me brands like Cozy Earth.
Cozy Earth 的创始人是一位三个孩子的爸爸，他相信休息很重要，这点我特别认同。
Cozy Earth was founded by a dad of three who believes that rest matters, a philosophy I fully embrace.
原来这位叫泰勒的先生，从小就想做出世界上最柔软的床单。
Turns out this guy, Tyler, had dreamed of making the softest sheets since he was a kid.
明白了。
Okay.
干得漂亮，泰勒，Cozy Earth 确实做到了，做出超柔软又能调节温度的床上用品和休闲服。
But you go, Tyler, because that's exactly what Cozy Earth does, making ultra soft temperature regulating bedding and loungewear.
Cozy Earth的竹纤维床单采用100%竹粘胶制成，睡上去特别舒服，尤其是闷热的夏夜。
Cozy Earth bamboo sheets are crafted from 100% bamboo viscous, and they are a dream to sleep on, especially on a hot summer night.
我一钻进被窝，第一感觉就是这布料柔软得像黄油，光滑得像丝绸。
The first thing I noticed when I got between the sheets is how buttery soft and silky smooth they are.
接着我就发现，就算旁边是我那只热得像火炉的法国斗牛犬Augy窝着的地方，床单摸上去还是凉凉的。
Then I quickly realized they also felt cool to the touch, even near where Augy, my incinerator hot French bulldog, was nestled.
这种高品质的竹粘胶面料天然具有调温功能，天热时凉爽，天冷时保暖。
The premium bamboo viscous fabric is naturally temperature regulating, so it keeps you cool when it's warm out and cozy when it's not.
我晚上出汗跟跑步时一样多，这床单简直像魔法一样。
As a gal who sweats nearly as much at night as I do on a run, these sheets are magic.
Cozy Earth对自己的产品信心十足，提供十年质保，床上用品还支持一百天无理由退换。
Cozy Earth stands behind everything they make with an incredible ten year warranty and one hundred nights of hassle free returns on bedding.
我再重复一遍。
Let me repeat.
你有一百天的时间试试看，这些凉爽又高档的床单，是不是也像对我一样让你觉得如梦似幻。
You have one hundred nights to see if these cool and luxe sheets are as dreamy for you as they are for me.
这些床单用竹纤维制成，透气又柔软，特别适合夏天用。
They're made from viscous from bamboo, breathable, soft, and built for summer.
去 cozyearth.com，用我的优惠码 AMR，享受专属八折优惠。
Head to cozyearth.com and use my code AMR for an exclusive 20% off.
优惠码是 AMR，专属八折优惠。
That's code AMR for an exclusive 20% off.
如果收到购买后的调查问卷，记得说你是从这里了解到 Cozy Earth 的。
And if you see a post purchase survey, mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here.
好的。
Okay.
结果呢，艾利森，你我最近都比平时多了点时间看书，因为我们两周前刚做了那期食谱节目。
So it turns out, Ellison, that both you and I recently we had a little bit longer time to read than usual because we did the cookbook episode two weeks ago.
没错。
Check yeah.
对。
Yeah.
谢谢。
Thank you.
对。
Yeah.
很好。
Great.
对。
Yeah.
不错。
Good.
不错。
Good.
我会告诉谢丽尔。
I will tell Sheila.
所以你我都有了一些额外的阅读时间，于是我们都看了漫画小说。
And so you and I had a little bit of extra reading time, so we both turned to graphic novels.
所以我们不约而同地都选了。
So we saying.
我知道。
I know.
根本没商量过。
Without conferring with each other.
也没发过任何消息。
No text threads.
对啊。
Right.
就是那种说不清道不明的默契。
It was just in the in the ether.
我刚昨晚读完一本厚厚的精装漫画回忆录，叫《焦虑之地》，作者是杰玛·科雷尔，今年四月才刚出版。
So I'm gonna, talk about the one that I just finished last night, and it is a hefty hardcover graphic memoir called Anxietyland by Gemma Correll, and this just debuted in April.
我一看见这本书，就觉得咱们正好可以聊聊。
So when I saw that, was like, oh, we can talk about it.
这本书以幽默又感人的方式，描绘了作者从小到大与焦虑、抑郁和广场恐惧症抗争的经历，她把内心世界比作一个超现实的游乐园，来展现她的心理状态。
So it humorously and poignantly explores the author's lifelong struggle, although she is somewhat young, with anxiety, depression, and agoraphobia using the metaphor of a surreal amusement park in her mind to describe her appearances.
而且，你知道的，这本书里图片特别多，读起来有点像糖果乐园一样。
And, you know, again, remember that there's lots of pictures so that, you know, it's it's almost a little bit like candy land.
她开头就画了一整张安焦虑乐园的地图。
I mean, she don't she has this whole map in the beginning of Anxietyland.
天哪。
Oh, gosh.
哇哦。
Oh, wow.
对在YouTube上看的朋友们说一下，书里有个叫‘无趣屋’的地方。
And, I'm for for those of you who are watching on YouTube, you know, so there's the house of no fun.
还有抑郁障碍赛、焦虑转盘、向下螺旋这些区域。
There's the depression obstacle course, the worry go round, downward spiral.
这设计真是太有创意了。
So that was that was super clever.
盖玛，从她的名字你就能猜到，是英国人。她把幽默又可爱的插画，和真诚、坦率、常常带点诙谐的文字结合在一起。
And Gemma, as you might guess from her name, is British, and, she combines witty, charming illustrations with honest, very vulnerable, and often humorous text.
我得承认，我就是被这本书吸引的。
And I'm gonna admit that I was drawn to it.
我记不清是在哪儿看到介绍的了。
I I forget where I read about it.
真的完全想不起来是在哪儿了。
I don't I don't have any memory at all, where.
我老实说，我读这本书，是想更理解我两个女儿。
I will admit that I'm reading it in the hopes of being better able to understand my two daughters better.
和很多年轻人一样，她们也在和焦虑作斗争，我想多一点同理心，试着理解她们是怎么看待这个世界的——因为焦虑这东西，压根儿就不在我自己的经验里。
Like so many young people, they struggle with anxiety, and I'm trying to be more sympathetic to get a sense of how they move through the world because anxiety is not one of my it's not in my deck of playing cards.
我觉得漫画小说这种形式特别容易消化，读着读着，我真的学到了不少东西。
So I I just find graphic novel novels an easily digestible medium, so I feel I'm gaining some useful awareness from the novel.
不过我要说清楚，作者经历的焦虑、抑郁和广场恐惧症，比我家女儿们严重得多。
Although, I wanna be clear, the author struggles far more mightily than my daughter's do with her experiences, you know, with anxiety and depression and agoraphobia.
我的意思是，盖玛·科雷尔的那些经历真的被放大了，有时候简直让人难以承受。
I mean, hers, Gemma Correll's, are really heightened, and they are debilitating at times.
确实如此。
So so yeah.
所以这本书因为幽默感，没有完全陷入阴暗。
So so the book avoids veering completely into the bleak because of the humor.
我常常忍不住笑出声，读这本苦乐参半的回忆录。
So and I found myself often laughing out loud over this bittersweet memoir.
尤其是昨晚我一口气读完的那部分，真的特别投入，特别喜欢。
I particularly the last the part that I cranked through last night, I really, really was enjoying it.
嗯。
So
是的。
Mhmm.
对。
Yeah.
然后就往上爬了。
So climbs up.
是的。
Yeah.
篇幅挺长的。
It's quite long.
对，没错。
It's yeah.
嗯，确实。
Mhmm.
但因为是漫画小说，读起来更快。
But since it's a graphic novel, it goes more quickly.
读起来真的很快。
It goes very quickly.
是的。
Yeah.
因为有些漫画小说其实挺短的，一下就能看完。
Because, I mean, there's some graphic novels you can finish.
我记得有一本叫《我的朋友杰弗里》，讲的是杰弗里·达默的故事。
I've I have I remember the, My Friend Jeffrey, the one about Jeffrey Dahmer.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
咱们聊聊这本书吧。
Let's talk about it.
我听说过这本。
I've heard of Yeah.
天啊，这本漫画真的特别特别好看。
Gosh, is really that is a really, really, really good graphic novel.
确实如此。
It is.
这确实挺吓人的，我的意思是，
It's it's it's creep I mean,
很明显，但居然能读得下去，我是一边等晚饭烤好，一边一个小时就读完了。
obviously, but to stomach, but I, I mean, I read that one in an hour while, you know, dinner was in the oven.
所以，
So
是的，
Yeah.
你真能读得进去。
You can read.
我的是《夏洛特与西尔维亚》。
I mine is Charity and Sylvia.
对，
Mhmm.
我知道时间紧，我就简单说一下，这本书讲的是十九世纪早期到中后期，两位生活在佛蒙特州的女同性恋者的故事。
And I know we're on a time crunch, so I'll just let you know that this is about two lesbians who lived in Vermont in the early part of the nineteenth century into the mid and later part.
作者是蒂莉·沃尔登，她是一位非常出色的插画师。
And it's by Tillie Walden, and she is a fantastic graphic artist.
我以前没听说过她，但之前在哪儿读到过这本书。
I've never heard of her before, but I read about this somewhere.
她主要讲了这两名女性，她们不仅住在一起，还得到了周围社区和家人的接纳，尽管没人明说她们的关系到底是什么，但她们相伴了四十多年。
And, essentially, she just talks about these two women who not only live together, but were accepted by many in their communities and their families even though it was never spoken out loud as to what their relationship was, but they were together for over forty years.
真了不起。
Wow.
我觉得特别打动人心，也很发人深省——你看着她们的经历，其中一人性格外向，另一人则内敛，她们的家人接纳她们，镇上的人也接纳她们，要知道那是个非常保守的年代和地方。
And I just found it very compelling, very thought provoking because you're sitting there seeing what these women had to go through, one of whom was a lot more outgoing than the other woman, the way that their families accepted them and the way that the townspeople and, you know, you're talking about a very conservative time and part of the world, also took them into their midst.
我推荐你读一读。
I would recommend it.
真的很棒。
It's great.
这位插画师还有其他漫画小说吗？
And does that graphic artist, does she have other graphic novels or no?
有的。
She does.
我还没去查过她的其他作品，但这部算是她第一部类似传记风格的创作吧。
I have not looked up in other ones, but this was really her first sort of biography, you know, take on on doing that.
不过她之前也出过一些别的东西。
But she's she's had some other stuff.
她在漫画圈里挺有名的，只是我对这个圈子不太了解。
She's very well known in the graphic artist world, which I am not familiar with.
嗯。
No.
我问这个是因为，我特别喜欢遇到那种出过好几部漫画小说的作者。
I I mainly ask because I love when I find either an author who has several graphic novels
对。
Right.
或者一个系列，因为看这类作品，有点像吃爆米花一样停不下来。
Or a series because, again, it can be a bit like eating popcorn.
读起来特别快，看完还意犹未尽。
The the it goes by fast, and you just want more of it.
所以我特别喜欢发现一位作者出了好多作品，简直可以一头扎进去慢慢看。
So so I like when I can, you know, oh, here's a whole, you know, rabbit hole I can go down with this author
或者一个系列。
or series.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
对。
Mhmm.
对。
Mhmm.
我觉得大家应该去了解一下她。
I think people should look her up.
很好。
Great.
很好。
Great.
好的。
Alright.
谢谢你的收听。
Well, thanks for listening.
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That's feisty.co.
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Bye bye.
继续保持活力。
Stay Feisty.
回头见。
See you.
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