我是如何成为一名持续盈利的兼职交易者的

交易是一场永无止境的游戏，你永远无法真正完成它。就像你永远不会真正获胜，但你可以继续玩下去。

Trading is an infinite game that you can never accomplish it. Like, it's you never win. You're allowed to keep playing.

你会建议别人保留工作，还是建议他们全身心投入交易？

Would you recommend someone to keep a job, or would you recommend someone just go all in?

不要想着去工作是为了赚回亏损的钱。去工作是因为它能让你有能力承担交易风险

Don't look at it as you're going to work to make back the money. Go to work because it's allowing you to put risk on

嗯。

Mhmm.

在你的交易中，而你的工作能让你在一个无风险的环境中承担交易风险。

In your trading, and your job allows you to put risk on in a risk free environment.

道森·亨斯利克。

Dawson Hunslik.

当我刚开始交易时，日复一日地早起，每天亏损50或100美元。我在太阳升起前就起床，在所有人都没醒时就起床。你知道的，凌晨四五点钟。

When I had first started, waking up day after day after day, and I'm giving away $50, a $100. I'm waking up before the sun's off. I'm waking up before anybody's awake. You know, it's four, 5AM.

付出这么多努力却一直在亏钱。

Putting the work in just to lose money.

是的，完全正确。我当时就想，如果继续这样下去，这个账户撑不了多久。

Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, this account's not gonna last very long if I keep doing this.

是的。去年，2024年2月时，如果你没有及时出金，可能已经亏光所有资金。能跟我们说说那次经历吗？

Yeah. Last year, back in 02/2024, if you wouldn't have been wiring out, you possibly could have lost everything. Yeah. What happened and, you know, can you tell us that experience? Yeah.

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欢迎回到《成为交易者》节目。今天将会是精彩绝伦的一天。我们请来了训练五年多的道森，他的故事你们一定会产生共鸣。道森兄弟，欢迎来到节目。

Welcome back everybody to Be The Trader. Today is gonna be a phenomenal day. We got my man, Dawson, here who's been training for a little over five years. And his story is gonna be something that you want to listen to because it's gonna be so relatable to a lot of all of you. So Dawson, welcome to the show brother.

最近怎么样？都好多年了，

What's going on? It's been years,

你知道，我从你们用砖墙背景做节目那会儿就开始看了，现在终于能坐在嘉宾席感觉很酷。我不常来东海岸，能在这里小聚真的很棒。我特别期待——

you know, watching your show since like those, I was telling you the brick background days and stuff and so it's cool to be on this side of it finally. I don't come out to the East Coast too often so having a little meet up here is pretty cool. I'm excited to

你能来真是太好了。让我们从头说起，你在接触交易之前是做什么的？又是怎么发现这个领域的？

have you here, man. So let's dive into the beginning, like what were you doing right before you found trading and then how did you find it?

好的。我第一次接触是在12岁，我99年出生，所以大概是2011年2月左右。当时我痴迷体育，棒球队有个队友的父亲正在创业，公司叫纳米科技证券。

Yeah. So I my first kind of introduction into it, I was 12 years old. I was born in '99 so it would have been somewhere around 02/2011. I was big sports. One of my one of my teammates on my baseball team, His dad was starting a company, a startup called Nanotech Securities.

这家公司在多伦多交易所上市前，我通过队友父亲拿到了原始股。12岁时我把7800美元积蓄投了进去，发行价60.7美分的股票上市首日涨到2美元。13岁就赚了几千美元让我尝到甜头，后来开始研究交易是因为赛克斯的《美国对冲基金》书里提到他投资过朋友父亲的印刷票务公司，我觉得我们的经历很像，于是开始关注他。12岁算是我的投资启蒙。

It was on trading on the TSX. I was getting in before it went public. He was coming to baseball games asking other parents and looking for some startup money. My dad had given him some money so I had some savings at 12 years old and I gave him like $7,800 something like that and once it went public, my share price was like $60.70 cents, went public, opened at $2 and at 13 years old making a couple thousand dollars for not doing anything was the little bug and then kind of diving into the trading side of it was because Sykes had wrote his book, The American Hedge Fund and in it, he had said that he invested in a friend's dad's company with his print at home ticketing so I was like, maybe I'll start listening to this guy, we have a similar kind of story. So 12 years old was my initial investment

嗯。

Yep.

后来2018、2019年左右我开始跟赛克斯学习交易，是他领我入门的。

And then I started learning from Sykes in like 2018, 2019. He got me into trading.

确实。

Yeah.

我从赛克斯本人那里学到的并不多

I didn't learn a ton from Sykes himself

是啊。

Yeah.

但他让我结识了行业里许多其他人。比如谁呢？2019年我开始交易时，做日内交易，用一个小账户，3千、5千美元，试图站稳脚跟，摸索自己的位置。几个月内，赛克斯开始崭露头角——我来自加拿大西海岸的温哥华——当时他带着哈迪作为特邀嘉宾出现。他们准备举办为期三天的活动，包含午餐晚餐之类的，他称之为‘核心圈’。我付了大概2000美元参加这个面对面指导、实盘交易之类的活动。但我总是最早到的，在市场开盘前就来了；又是最晚走的。

But it introduced me to a lot of other people in the industry. Like who? So 2019 when I had started trading, day trading, put a small account, 3 k, 5 k and was just trying to find a footing, trying to figure out where I was and within a few months, Sykes was coming up, I'm from Vancouver, West Coast Canada and he was coming up with Huddy, was his special guest. They were gonna do like a three day event with lunches and dinners and that sort He of called it like his inner circle so I paid him like $2,000 or something for days of in person coaching, live trading, that sort of thing but I was the first one to show up before market opened. I was the last one to leave.

只要哈迪还在那儿，我就会一直待着。他很欣赏这种工作态度。三天后，他给了我电话号码，说——那时他住在亚利桑那——‘如果你来这边，我和罗兰·沃尔夫共用一个办公室，随时欢迎过来和我们交易一周左右，我们会教你入门。’

I'd I'd stay for as long as Hadi was gonna stay there and he appreciated that sort of work ethic. Yep. Three days later, he gave me his phone number and said if you're he was living in Arizona at the time. He said if you're ever in the area, I'm in an office with Roland Wolf, so come on down and, you know, trade with us for a week or so and we'll we'll teach you the ropes kind of thing.

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这太疯狂了兄弟。你看，首先很多人总在问‘怎么找导师？怎么找导师？到底怎么找？’

That's that's crazy, man. Yeah. You know, first off, so many people are always commenting and asking questions like, how do I find a mentor? How do I find a mentor? How do I find one?

这就是个绝佳例子——全身心投入，早到晚退，就像对待正经工作那样，对吧？你努力证明自己想把这事做成，而他看到了你的决心。后来你真去了吗？去了几次？

Here's a great example of just putting all that work in, being there, staying early, leaving late, just like kinda like a real job, right? Like you're trying to show that you're trying to make this happen and he saw that in you. So what happens when you did you end up going? Did you take few I did.

我去过几次。

I went a few times.

哦是吗？真不错。

Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah.

我当时想，最坏的结果无非就是被拒绝。没错。他立刻就答应了，但我会尽量接受他愿意给的一切。所以他在那里待了几年。是的。

I was like, worst they can say is no. Yeah. He offers at once, but I'll take it as much as he's gonna give it. So he was there for a few years. Yeah.

亚利桑那是加拿大人的热门去处，他们管我们叫雪鸟。对。很多人会飞过去住六个月左右，所以我通常每年会去两三次，每次两周左右。嗯。他住的地方离我常驻地大概三四十分钟车程，我就延长一周行程，我们去办公室晃悠，打篮球、打高尔夫，随便做点什么。我在那边组了个三人小团体，大家混熟了之后，只要我打电话求助，他们都会接听并帮我解决任何问题。

Arizona is a frequent spot for Canadians, so snowbirds they call us. Yeah. A lot of people fly down there for six months or something so I'll usually do two week trips like a couple times a year. Yep. And he was maybe thirty, forty minutes from where I usually stay so I'd add a week onto my trip and we'll go and hang out in the office, we play basketball, go golfing, you know, do whatever so I was in their little trio down there and we just hang out, got to know each other to the point where if I pick up the phone and have anything they'll answer and help me out with whatever I need.

你和交易员当面这样做过吗？这对你有帮助吗？如果有，具体是怎样的？这是个——

Did that in person with traders, did it help you and if so, how? It's that's a

很好的问题，因为我向来喜欢社交这类事。总觉得交易本身是件很个人的事，你得自己摸索门道。嗯。所以我一直喜欢结识交易员。即使和他们聊天，我也不总问交易问题，就是想了解他们这个人。我喜欢听他们的经历，了解他们犯过的错以免重蹈覆辙。把这些人的联系方式揣在兜里，当你交易不顺时他们能拉你一把，在你表现好时给你鼓励。而且我觉得在全球各地都有朋友很酷——欧洲、美国、加拿大随便飞。参加那些交易员聚会什么的，我就是喜欢认识人、听故事。

good question because I've always been one where like I like the networking stuff, like I always feel like trading itself is such an individual endeavor where you need to figure out what works for you. Mhmm. So I've always liked meeting traders. Even when I talk to them, I'm not always asking trading questions, I just like to know them. I like to hear their stories, hear stuff they went through, tell me their mistakes so I don't make those same ones and just having those people in your back pocket that if you're down and out having a bad day, they're there to pick you up and also give you those pats in the back when you're trading really well and I think it's cool too having friends all over the world that, you know, you can fly to anything in Europe, in The States, in Canada, in whatever, so all these little trader meet ups and stuff, I just like knowing people and hearing their stories.

头几年我挺孤独的，有点...嗯。我没在推特露过脸。虽然有个账号但只发股票内容。从没公开过真名，不想让人知道我是谁。

For the first few years, I was pretty like lonely and kind of Mhmm. I didn't put my face out on Twitter. I had a Twitter account but it was just that stock page. I never had my name put out anywhere. I didn't want anyone to know.

我当时想，就算赚钱了也不要让人知道我的身份——

I'm like if I if I make money, don't want anyone to know who I am or

明白。

Yep.

但认识这群人后我很快改变了想法，觉得这样真的很棒。需要结识更多人。所以我始终抱着先付出的心态，比如认识内特这样的人。我平时还做建筑工作，算是兼职交易、全职建筑吧。

That quickly changed once I started meeting these guys and was like, that's really cool. Need to start meeting more people. So I've always come at it with like a give first mindset, meeting guys like Nate. I I do a construction as well like a part to full time job, part time trading kind of thing.

嗯。

Yep.

内特搞装修建房那些事时，我能在这些方面提供价值，而他也会分享交易心得，就是这样。

And with Nate doing all of his renos and builds and stuff, I can provide value to him in that side of things and then he's open to share things with trading so, yeah.

所以，你知道，我很喜欢你分享这些，因为这首先表明，有太多方向我想探讨，但我们要先聊的是——当你初次利用那种机会去社交时。对吧？你们一起打高尔夫，你强调喜欢了解对方、真正深入认识这个人本身。这肯定让人很受用，毕竟多数人总在问交易相关的问题。

So that, you know, I love that you shared all that because it just shows number one, I there's so many things there's so many paths I wanna take with that, but the first path we're gonna go down is, you know, when you first when you you take advantage of that, you go and hang out. Right? And you you all played golf, you you emphasize that you like to get to know the person and really, lean into who you're the person themselves. Right? Which I'm sure is much appreciated because most people are always asking questions about trading.

对吧？但有没有某个时刻你们深入讨论交易？虽然你说是个人风格问题，但有没有什么领悟让你觉得'这个可以带回去用'？纯粹好奇。

Right? But at some point, were y'all diving deep into trading and did that I know you said it's an individualistic thing, but were there some things that you're like, you realize in those moments that maybe you took back home with you? Just curious.

是啊。比如哈迪一直和格里塔尼走得很近，算是获取格里塔尼信息的直接渠道。他现在已经是老手了，就是他带我做了交易记录。

Yeah. With like like, Huddie's always been really close with Grittani. Yeah. So he was like a a direct route to getting info from Grittani. He's like a veteran at this point and he got me into trade tracking.

嗯。哈迪当时说'记录你的交易，不统计数据就不知道擅长什么、短板在哪'。等我开始发现自己的优势后，就专门追踪那些特定形态并建立数据库。我向来比较厌恶风险。

Mhmm. Howdy was like, track my trades. You don't know what you're good at, what you suck at until you start putting data behind it. And then once I started finding out what I was good at, I started tracking those individual setups and putting data behind it. I was always fairly risk averse.

我不是那种会孤注一掷的人，喜欢先小试牛刀。作为数据控，如果某个形态80%概率能赢，我就敢押注。

I wasn't like a go all in type of guy. I I wanted to dabble. I wanted to get numbers behind it. I'm big numbers math guy so if I could see that this setup work 80% of the time then I wouldn't have a problem putting money behind it.

明白。

Right.

但如果只是随便试试，我就没信心投入真金白银。哈迪从没手把手教我怎么记录，但他会撒些线索让我自己领悟——该追踪什么？

But if I just saw it and I'm like, hey, let me try and trade it. I didn't have the confidence to put any capital into it. So Hadi never told me like how to track Yeah. But he like put those little pieces out there for me to figure it out for myself. What do I need to track?

我的优势领域在哪？他不告诉具体交易什么，但教会我如何找到方向。罗兰那边呢...关键就在于从每个人身上汲取精华来塑造自己的策略。他常做首日跳空反转之类的形态，而我虽不常做首日股，但把同样的入场标准用在其他日线形态上——这些标准是他亲授的，现在我能用数据验证了。

Where am I good at? He didn't tell me what to trade but he told me how to get to where I would find out what to trade. Roland, he was and that's the thing, it's like you take these little things from everybody that make your style, your strategy. With Roland, he trades a lot of day one gappers like reversals and stuff and with other setups, that same entry criteria works so I'm not trading a whole lot of day ones but others daily chart patterns, I'm using his exact same entry criteria that he explained to me. It's not on that specific day but I took that home because now I can put data behind this.

如果我在五分钟高点突破时入场，止损设在前低，被扫损的概率多大？继续上涨的概率多大？等统计出特定形态的胜率后，我就敢押注了。

If I enter on a five minute high break and risk the lows, how often do I get stopped out? How often does that continue to run And then once I can see that usually continues to run on this specific pattern, now I can start putting money behind it and have some confidence in it.

那么2019年你和哈迪、罗兰相处后，大概花了多久开始看到交易成绩趋于稳定？

So how long did it take you to find, you know, in 2019, you you hang out with Huddy, Roland, right? From what at what point did you start to see some kind of consistency in

我算是比较幸运，在新冠疫情前就开始学习一些东西，因为当时我并不是完全一无所知。我已经有一年的经验了。所以大概经历了十四、十五个月的亏损期。嗯。刚开始时我用的是全账户资金操作，比如三千美元的账户，我当时想除非全力以赴否则账户不会增长。

your I was kinda lucky to start learning some stuff right before COVID because I wasn't, like, I wasn't an idiot now going into it. I had a year under my belt. So I took like fourteen, fifteen months or so of losing. Mhmm. When I had first started, I was like full account, like three k account, like I'm not gonna grow it unless I go all in kind of thing.

于是我把全部三千到五千美元投入股票，结果亏了三四百美元。我就想，如果继续这样操作，这个账户撑不了多久。是的。所以我立刻缩小了仓位，在那十五个月里总共亏损了七八百美元。

So I just put the full three k, five k into the stock and I lose $300, $500. I'm like, this account's not gonna last very long if I keep doing this. Yeah. So I size right back down and over like those fifteen months, lost like a total of $700, 800

超级雄鹿队

Super bucks at the

小资金。那时我还有工作，没错。做建筑之类的，所以一年半亏损700美元同时还有收入来源，完全没压力。然后到了2020年3月，2020年2月标普指数因为疫情出现暴跌。那时候小盘股开始受到关注。

small. I was still working at the time Yep. Construction and stuff so $700 over a year and a half while still having a job to It pay anything I was super non stressful And then March 2020 came around. February 2020 was that massive crash in in COVID for the spy and stuff. And then that's when small caps started getting picked up.

2020年1月，我在亚利桑那州参加了罗兰德的线下活动

January, I was in Arizona, January 2020 with Roland at one of his in person events

是啊。

Yeah.

他是行业动量交易的高手

And he is, like, a huge sector momentum guy

没错。

Yeah.

我们开始跟进——他在出现首例华盛顿州病例当天就注意到了NVAC和mRNA股票。他阅读新闻后第一时间建仓，比行情启动早了几个月。亲眼见证他的操作流程后...不过真正转机是在2020年3月，虽然不算夸张，那个月我赚了大概两千美元。

And we started he picked up on NVACs, mRNA, like, the day that there was cases not only in China, but, like, the first case in Washington. And he started reading the news and he started buying NVACs on day one before, like, any of this happened, like, months before stuff started ripping. So seeing his process on that. But, yeah, it was about March 2020 and it wasn't anything crazy. I think I made, like, 2 k that month.

是的。一个月就抹平十五个月的亏损。这验证了我的交易理念。当然之后也不是一帆风顺。

Yep. But one month to take out fifteen months of losses Yep. Was, like, proof of concept. Yep. It wasn't all straight up from there.

你知道，2023年我觉得自己状态不佳。是的，那一年和那些失意的交易员交流很艰难，我需要找人探讨想法，看看自己哪里做错了。虽然那年我判断对了，但整体趋势自2020年3月以来一直在正确的轨道上。

You know, 2023 I believe I was red. Yep. It was a tough year talking to those other traders, know, down and out. I need to bounce some ideas off and see what I'm doing wrong. So I was right on that year but overall trajectory has been on the right path since March 2020.

是的。就稳定性而言，我认为2024年是我最好的一年。就像月复一月地开始把拼图拼完整。

Yes. Consistency wise, I think 2024 was my best year. It was like month after month starting to put the pieces together.

没错。

Yep.

但开始意识到这是可能的，正是我需要建立对自己所做之事信心的关键。是的，因为在那之前我一直在怀疑这到底能不能成。对吧。

But starting to like seeing that that it's possible was what I needed to to start trusting myself in what I'm doing. Yep. Because before that I was questioning whether it was ever gonna work. Right.

对。确实。因为这很有挑战性——接着你之前分享的信息说，你提到过几次工作的事，你说...你是经营建筑公司还是？具体是做什么的？

Right. Yeah. Because it's it's challenging and and speak on the idea of, you know, going back earlier on what you were sharing all this information about, you know, you mentioned a couple times working. You you say, do you have a construction company or a, what is it?

对对，我是个体经营者。有家小型建筑公司，就我一个人。主要做装修，厨房、卫生间这类工程。我父亲是总承包商，负责新建项目。

Yeah, yeah, I'm self employed. I have a small construction company, it's just me. Okay. I do a lot of renos, kitchens, bathrooms, that sort of thing. My dad's been a general contractor doing like new builds Yep.

管理方面的事务。他18岁就入行了。我有几个叔叔是大型房地产开发商和投资人，所以我觉得进入这行很自然。他们都很热爱这行——我叔叔、我爸都是。我12岁就开始在爸爸工地打扫了。

Management stuff. He started when he was like 18 in the same field. I had uncles that were big real estate developers and investors and stuff so it felt like a natural progression for me to go into it. They all loved it, my uncles, my dad, they all loved it. I had started sweeping sites for my dad when I was 12.

没错。上高中时他说：'你要培养职业道德，明白金钱的价值'。于是我开始在暑假、圣诞假期全职工作。

Yeah. Going into high school, he said, you're gonna get a work ethic and you're gonna learn the value of a dollar so I started working full time in summers, Christmas break, that sort of thing.

所以你的启动资金是这么来的？

So that's how you had the money?

是的。完全正确。第一桶金就是这么来的。哇。

Yeah. Exactly. First Exactly. Wow.

在我12岁的时候，是的。那是因为我很好奇你是怎么弄到那笔钱的？700美元。对。对。

When I was 12, yeah. That's because I was curious like how did you come up with that money? $700. Yeah. Yeah.

但这很合理。是的。不过有趣的是，你能谈谈这个事实吗，你看，你说得很对。我交易了十五个月。虽然没有盈利，但我记录了所有交易，用很小的资金操作，完全没有压力。

But that makes sense. Yeah. What's interesting though, can you talk on the fact that, you look, you made a great point. I traded for fifteen months. I didn't win but I tracked everything and I traded very small and I had zero stress.

嗯。因为你有收入进账。是的。对吧？如果你完全没有收入，比如突然戒断式地尝试全职交易，你觉得能找到稳定性吗？

Mhmm. Because you had income coming in. Yeah. Right? How do you feel like you could have found consistency if you had no income, like if you just went cold turkey and just try to do it?

可能最终会找到稳定性，但资金增长曲线我觉得会变得...

It it might have found consistency but like the dollar progression I think would have been a

缓慢得多。因为如果没有收入来源，那笔钱能缓解压力——如果我早上醒来亏了500或1000美元，几小时后去工作就能赚回来。所以有工作时我从不担心承担风险，毕竟口袋里有数据支撑。但这也是难点，就像我常想的问题：小时候如果坚持打棒球，会不会有出息？

lot slower because if I've got no money coming in, that money took the stress off that if I wake up and lose $500, a thousand bucks Yep. I'm gonna go to work in a couple hours and make that back. Yep. So it was never a worry for me to put risk on when I had that job, once I had the data in the back of my pocket but I that's the tough part too is it's like it's a question that I wonder, you know, but you don't know the alternative. So like I playing baseball and stuff growing up, if I continued doing it, would I have gone anywhere with it?

是啊。如果没工作，会不会更快实现盈利？我不知道。这只是我选择的路径，所以很难说。

Yeah. If I didn't have a job, would I have, you know, found profitability quicker? I don't know. That was just the path I took so it's hard to say but

你会建议别人保留工作，还是建议他们全职投入？纯粹好奇，你有明确观点吗？

Would you recommend someone to keep a job or would you recommend someone just go all in? Just curious. Do you have an opinion on that?

我会建议始终保留工作。根据我的交易记录，89%的盈利都来自交易日开盘后头一个半小时。我在西海岸，市场6:30开盘，如果我想8点或9点才开始工作，完全可以先交易一个半小时。反正统计显示其他时段我都在亏钱。

Yeah. I'd I'd always have a job. Yep. Again, back with tracking my trades, think it was like 89% of my money was made in like the first hour, hour and a half of the trading day. And being on the West Coast, market opens 06:30 so if I don't wanna start work till eight or 09:00, I can trade that first hour and a half and you know, I'm not gonna be doing anything the rest of the day because statistically I lose money the rest of the day.

明白。

Yep.

所以其他时间我只会干坐着，很可能把利润回吐。是的，我就是专攻开盘时段，那是我的盈利窗口。

So I'd just be sitting there, likely give money back and yeah, it was it was I was trading the open, that's where my money was.

所以你的意思是，如果你有其他事业或其他收入来源，为什么不专注于在那段短时间内赚钱呢？是的，是的。而且你知道，如果你让自己有机会在其他地方赚钱。

So instead, what you're saying is if you have other ventures or other other ways of generating income, why not so you're focused on where you make money on that small time period. Yeah yeah. And you know, if you free yourself up to make money elsewhere.

嗯，回到那些你在拉斯维加斯遇到的人的故事，我和内特聊过，他试图——他永远不会退休，他对此上瘾了——但他正尝试把钱投到别处，创造被动收入，这样他就不需要交易那么多。所以他现在不想全职交易了。他想兼职交易，开始做其他事情。是的。他曾经全身心投入其中，你知道，全力以赴。那么正确的答案是什么？

Well and back to like stories, the guys that you meet in Vegas, I talked to Nate who's trying to he'll never retire, he's addicted to this but you know, he's trying to put his money elsewhere, make passive income so he doesn't need to trade so much. So he's he doesn't want to trade full time now. He wants to trade part time and start doing this other stuff Yep. Where he was diving full into it, you know, two feet in. So what is the right answer?

我我不知道。我认为这是个因人而异的问题，适合你的就是最好的。

I I don't know. I think that's the individualistic question that what works for you and do that.

对你来说最困难的部分是什么？我知道你多次提到数字，直到你掌握了数字，你才感觉好多了，所以我肯定知道这对你开始看到一致性是关键部分。但有没有其他部分，也许，你知道，你曾经是个糟糕的报复性交易者，也许你有x y z的问题，你在挣扎中，可以分享一下你是如何克服的吗？

What was your what was the hardest part for you? I know you mentioned several times about the numbers and until you got the numbers that's when you felt much better so I definitely know that was a key part for you to really start to see consistency. But was there another part that maybe, you know, you were a bad revenge trader, maybe you were x y z that you were struggling with that you can share in how you got over it?

是的。我最困难的事情就是按下交易按钮。我从事体力工作。我知道一美元的价值

Yeah. My my hardest thing was just pushing the buttons. I work in a physical job. I knew the value of a dollar

是的。

Yeah.

我今天早上要损失那么多钱，这会让我很难受，因为我现在需要去工作，工作十个小时来试图赚回那笔钱。

And I'm gonna lose that amount of money this morning and it's it's gonna kill me that I need to go to work now, work a ten hour day to try and make that money back.

是的。

Yeah.

这对我来说无疑是最困难的事情，就是能够按下交易按钮。

That was easily the hardest thing for me was just to be able to push the buttons.

是的。

Yeah.

确实很难跨过那个坎。我在拉斯维加斯向兰斯提出过同样的问题，他说要扭转你的心态——不要想着工作是为了赚回亏损的钱。他说去工作是因为这能让你在交易中承担风险。他说别把账户看作整体，你的交易账户和工作是分开的，工作本质上让你能在无风险环境中承担交易风险。

It it was it was hard to get over that. I had asked Lance in Vegas for that exact thing and he said flip your, flip your mental state with that and don't look at it as you're you're going to work to make back the money. He said go to work because it's allowing you to put risk on in your trading. He said don't look at it as like as one big account like this isn't all your trading account is one thing and your job allows you to put risk on in a risk free environment basically. Yeah.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这个建议对你帮助很大吗？

And that helped a lot?

当然。绝对有帮助。而且后端还有数据支撑

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And then having the data on the back end

确实如此。

of Definitely.

因为按下交易按钮时，哪怕是100股...我连20美元都不想亏。

Because pushing that button, even like a 100 shares. Yep. I was like, don't want to lose $20. Yeah.

详细说说这点——毕竟没人想亏钱对吧？你之前提到连续15个月亏损，但观众们看到的价值在于你记录了所有交易数据。

So speak on that in terms of because people don't wanna lose money. Yeah. Right? And you mentioned earlier that, you know, for fifteen months you were losing, but, you know, the value that I see and that people who are watching now see is that you tracked everything. Yeah.

这才是真正价值的来源，你利用这些数据找到了交易一致性。但我好奇的是，对于那些不明白交易注定会经历多次亏损的人，能否谈谈亏损为何是这行的必经之路？

And that's really where all the value came from and you used that data to find consistency. But what I'm curious about is for all the people who really don't understand that this is a game that you're probably gonna lose a lot. Yep. Can you shed light on, you know, how losing is kind of like part of this life?

我那个表格里有七八百笔交易记录，十五个月里我把所有交易按策略分类——突破交易、早盘恐慌低吸等等。我尝试过十五二十种策略，看到别人用的方法都要试。

Yeah. It I had like seven, eight hundred trades in that spreadsheet Yeah. Over those fifteen months that when I sorted them all by setup, listed breakouts, morning panic dip buys, everything. I have fifteen, twenty setups I was trying to trade, trying to do everything. Anything I saw someone else trading, I'm gonna try it.

但每种策略我都做了记录，最后发现只有四种能赚钱。我就想：既然这些策略能盈利，为什么还要做另外15种？

Yep. But I tracked each one of those and there was four setups I was making money on. Mhmm. So I'm like, why am I doing these other 15 things if this is where I'm making money? Yep.

但我必须交易那一年半的时间才能获得那700个样本。是的。所以如果你没有记录，我认为如果你没有从中吸取任何教训，反复亏损可能是在浪费时间。但如果你亏损了一年半，然后能从中汲取点滴经验，那我觉得这完全不是坏事。尤其是如果你一开始保持小规模交易的话。没错。

But I had to trade for that year and a half to get those 700 samples. Yeah. So if you're not tracking it, I do think losing over and over again could be a waste of time if you're not taking anything from it But if you're losing for a year and a half and then can take little tidbits from it, then I don't think it's it's bad at all. Especially if you keep it small in the beginning. Yep.

你知道的，花一个月时间来达成目标

You know, take a month to to make it

全部回本。你还提到过，有段时间我以为自己永远无法成功。是的。带我们回到那个记忆，当时是什么感觉？因为我知道现在肯定有人正经历这种感受。

all back. You also mentioned I thought I was never gonna make it at some point. Yeah. Take us back to that memory and what was that what was that like? Because I know there's people out there right now who are probably feeling that.

对吧？他们可能正处于交易的低谷期，伙计，我总是在盈亏之间循环往复。是的。你能感同身受地分享一下你曾经有过的某个类似时刻吗？

Right? They're probably going through a part in their trading where, man, I just keep booming and busting, booming and busting. Yeah. Can you relate to them for a moment to share, you know, one of those moments you had?

是的。就像我当时的顿悟是——过去的我会不惜一切代价想达到我当时的状态。刚开始交易时，我多希望能知道自己在哪里亏钱好停止犯错；而当我开始盈利时，十五个月前我宁愿少赚100美元也好过亏损。所以我用这个视角来看待现状——现在的状态正是最初梦寐以求的。交易是场永无止境的游戏，你永远无法真正'通关'，明白吗？你永远不会'赢'。

Yeah. Like like the realization I came to was the previous me would have killed to be in the position I was at that point. I would have when I was first starting, I would have loved to know where I was losing money to stop doing that and then once I started making money, I would have killed fifteen months ago to make a $100 just to make that little bit of money. So I kind of put it in perspective that where I was now, I would have loved to be in the beginning. It's trading is an infinite game that you can never, you know, you can never accomplish it like it's you never win.

没错。你只是被允许继续玩下去，这就是胜利。多有趣

Yeah. You just you're allowed to keep playing and that's winning. How funny

啊？

is that?

所以感谢。是的。但从来没有什么决定性瞬间，只是日复一日地醒来，每天亏损50或100美元，然后第二天继续重复。我在日出前起床，在所有人醒来之前，你知道的，凌晨四五点就起来。付出努力

So thanks. Yeah. But there wasn't ever like one thing, it was just like waking up day after day after day and I'm giving away $50, a $100 and then I'm gonna wake up and do it again. I'm waking up before the sun's up, I'm waking up before anybody's awake, you know, it's four or 5AM. Putting the work

却只是亏钱。

in just to lose money.

是的。完全正确。晚上还要筛选股票，结果只是把钱白白送走。天啊。这种日子什么时候才是个头？

Yeah. Exactly. At night, some scanning stocks and then I'm just donating it away. Oh my god. Is this ever gonna end?

而你并不知道。不，你可以那样做十年。是的。那个叫什么来着？

And you don't know. No. You could do that for ten years. Yep. There's what's his name?

低效市场？没错。

Inefficient market? Yep.

正是如此。

Exactly.

十年啊对，八年、十年左右吧。但他就是坚持下来了。是的。因为——看看现在的他。看看现在的他。

10 Yeah. Eight years, ten years, something like that. But he just kept going Yep. Because and look at him now. Look at him now.

他是个了不起的交易员。所以我的建议是永远不要放弃。对。如果你保住那份工作，就不必放弃，因为你有收入支付账单，继续小规模交易直到找到感觉，然后逐步加大仓位。

He's a great trader. So my my recommendation is just to never give up. Yep. If you keep that job, you don't have to give up because you've got the income to pay the bills, continue trading small until something starts to click and then, and then start to size up from there.

你现在是严格只专注于日内交易，还是会做波段交易？因为我知道你还经营企业，你会做波段交易吗？是的。

Is there do you strictly just focus now only on day trading or do you swing trade too because you I know how also own a business like do you do like do you swing trade as Yeah.

我有三个账户：一个日内交易账户，一个免税账户——像美国的IRA，在加拿大我们叫TFSA免税储蓄账户。

I've got three accounts. So I have a day trading account. I have a tax free like in The States you guys have IRAs. Yep. In Canada we have a TFSA, tax free savings account.

多数人不知道可以自主管理这些账户，他们常在银行开TFSA账户，拿3%的年利率，而银行用你的钱赚得更多。我用盈透证券做长期投资，有TFSA账户和波段交易账户。日内交易盈利我会尽量频繁转出，保持账户在三到五万加元范围，以防黑天鹅事件。

Most people don't know that you can self direct those so a lot of times they'll just open up a TFSA account at their bank, you'll get a 3% interest rate over the year and they'll loan out your money and make way more than that So like I use Interactive Brokers for my long term stuff. So I have a TFSA and then I have a long term like a a swing trading account. Yep. And with my day trading stuff, I I wire out as often as I can. So I keep my account in that thirty to fifty k range just because I don't wanna have that one black side.

去年就遇到过，如果硬扛不撤资，账户可能就归零了。我不想重蹈覆辙——多年心血可能瞬间蒸发。所以我定期转出资金，遵循巴菲特'待在市场里比 timing 市场更重要'的原则，每月/每两月定投，把日内交易盈利转为长期持仓。

I had that last year where if I'm if I was holding it and fighting it, the account would have been gone. So I don't want that to happen. Years of hard work can disappear like that so I wire out and I keep it in the market. Buffett always says time in the market is better than timing the market so I just cost average every month, every two months and just buy long term stuff from my day trading gains. Just roll it into that.

知道有趣的是什么吗？你刚才的话让我印象深刻。之前你提到2024年2月，如果不转出资金可能会损失一切。能说说那次经历吗？

You know what's interesting? You just said something that was that really struck me. Earlier you mentioned back in '2 like, last year or back in 02/2024, if you wouldn't have been wiring out, you possibly could have lost everything. Yeah. What happened and, you know, can you tell us that experience?

没错。2022和2023年，我主要交易策略就是做空中国概念骗局股。这些股票通过WhatsApp和Telegram群组拉高出货。他们忽悠散户接盘后几天内就砸盘，收盘时能暴跌90%。这些股票流动性很强，都是80到100美元的标的，不是那种从50美分跌回10美分的垃圾股，而是从100美元直接砸到3美元——就像骨头上还挂着大块肉。

Yeah. So 2022 and 2023, a big strategy I was trading was the China scams. Okay. They were WhatsApp and Telegram pumps. They'd tell people to buy and they'd dump them within a few days and they'd be down 90% by the close and they were like a lot of liquidity, they were $80,100 dollar names, they weren't like 50¢ pulling back to 10¢, they were like $100 pulling back to $3, like there was like a lot of meat on the bone with them.

AERC、LYT这类股票多得很。2023年底这类骗局逐渐消失，但2024年有个庄家卷土重来，推荐了两只表现不错的。他以为我在做多，其实我伪造持仓截图发给他，就为了持续获取内幕消息。

AERC, LYT, there was a ton of them. They kind of dried up towards the end of 2023 and one of the pumpers came back in 2024 and he gave two that were pretty good. He thought I was longing them. I'd make fake screenshots and send them to him so he thought I was buying them just to keep the info coming. Yeah.

我其实在他推票时反手做空，UPC和CLEU是其中两只低价标的。

And I'd I'd be shorting them as he's as he's promoting them and it was UPC and CLEU were the two lower priced ones.

我记得CLEU。

I remember CLEU.

对。这只股被反复操作了两三次，效果疯狂。后来Jason推荐的CHSN更绝——他在3美元和4.2美元喊单，这股票平时毫无成交量，结果开盘直接爆量几十万股，完全反常。通常庄家会在拉高时建空仓，击穿开盘区间低点后回落。但Jason这次手法不同，失败率本该90%的策略居然失灵了。

Yep. That one's happened like two or three times and they worked like crazy and then Jason came around, CHSN and he alerted that one at $3 and then $4.20 and it popped up, it's got no volume on this daily, starts trading right off pre market, right off the open, trading hundreds of thousands of shares. Like completely out of normal for this, typically they fill their book, they fill their short book into some sort of pop, they'll take out opening range lows or something like that and pops versus VWAP you want to see stay heavy and they fade off to oblivion. Jason was different, it didn't work. This setup was like a 90% win rate.

以往这类股要么暴涨后暴跌，要么根本拉不动。但Jason推的CHSN在34美元横盘一个半小时——按惯例早该跳水了。我早上8点准备上班前看了眼盘面，回来发现这股票因波动从3美元停牌到4.5美元。我3.5-3.6美元建仓，止损设在4美元。

They always worked and the ones that didn't work barely went up and Jason, you know, was sitting there at $34 for about an hour and a half and they usually fade off by close. I started getting ready for work. It's about 08:00 and, I come back to the computer and this thing's halted up from three to 04:50 and my risk was like, I was in at like $3.50, $3.60 risking $4.

哦明白了，所以你当时已经...

Oh okay. So you're already Yep.

已经亏了不少。我盘算着等复牌就平仓，结果这玩意直接从6美元开盘——我成本才3美元区间，眼看着股价飙升，情绪开始失控了。

I'm down, you know, a decent chunk. Yeah. So I'm thinking okay, you know, let's see this thing open and I'll get out. Well this thing opens at six from that halt so I'm in this from the mid threes and it's going up and now I'm starting to think, now like emotions coming in.

嗯。

Yeah.

我手里还剩4000-5000股空单，当时市值约5600美元。股价开始跳涨，复牌两三秒就从6美元冲到8美元。我3美元的成本价眼看要失控，紧接着又从8美元飙到11美元再次停牌，简直...

I've got shares left, I borrowed like 4 k, 5 k Yeah. And I think I had maybe $5,600 shares in at that time and it starts skipping up and then it opens and halts up within two, three seconds and now it's six to eight and I'm listening at $3 and I'm like, okay, this is starting to get away from me and then it opens eight to eleven and halts just like that it's just

你还没按平仓键吗？

And you're not pressing cover yet?

不行。我正在操作而且

You can't. I'm hitting it and

触发了熔断。标记下。你操作了

it's hit halting. Mark it. You hit

我...我设置了限额。

I I was limit.

好吧。

Okay.

我没在冲击市场，但我从没遇到过这种情况。

I wasn't hitting market, but I've never been in this situation before.

我懂。真的懂。我...我不知道。我经历过。明白这很糟心。

I got you. Got you. I I don't know. I have been. I know it sucks.

我做了ILag策略，顶部操作，这些是中国概念股但有些不同。它们不是那些有概念验证的...嗯...但确实是中概股，高杠杆顶部操作压力巨大，不过有些群体表现更好——就像当年OTC市场那些牛逼的仙股之类的，这次情况类似。ILag我知道让很多人熔断套牢了，所以Chasen，我最后在想要不要加仓？比如我还有几千股可以搏，账户不至于亏到40.5美元那么惨。

I legged it, top did it and these were China pumps but they were they were a bit different. They weren't rooms that had a proof of concept Mhmm. But they were China pumps, high leg and top that squeezed like crazy but there were certain groups that did better like back in OTC days and you have like awesome penny stocks and that sort of thing, there were certain groups that performed better so it was the same thing with this. ILag, I know caught a bunch of people halting but so Chasen, I eventually was like, do I add to this? Like I've got another couple thousand shares, I could fight it, like it's not a bone account to like $40.50.

就那3美元的事...我还有余地就开始找理由，比如怎么脱身？那一刻我保持了理智，挂了市价平仓单，合上笔记本就走了。不想看盈亏...

It was just that $3 like I I got room and I start trying to justify, like, how can I get out of this? And I was able to think logically in that moment and I put in a market cover order and I closed the laptop and left. I didn't want to see the P and

嗯。

L. Yeah.

我早知道只要有足够长的时间填补一些份额，它就会把我淘汰出局。

I I knew it was gonna take me out whenever there was a long enough time to fill some shares.

哦，是啊。你甚至没被淘汰。你只是把市价单挂在了商店里。

Oh, yeah. You didn't even take out. You just put market in the store.

在停牌期间挂市价单，我就觉得...我实在受不了。

Put market order during a halt and I'm like, I I can't stomach it.

确实。

It's Yeah.

如果这东西开盘跌个二三十点，那就糟透了。盘后它冲到了四五十点——就是那个爆仓点位——那时候才意识到...不过你已经出局了。我在10:11前就清仓了，大概这个时间。最后一次停牌前，价格从四点到六点，六点到八点，八点到十点，最后在10:11区间开盘。

If this thing opens twenty, thirty, like, that's gonna suck. After hours it went to forty, fifty which was that blow up point and that was the realization that like You're already out though. I was out I was out by 10:11 Okay. Something like that. That last halt before I was leaving that went four to six, six to eight, eight to ten, it opened like in the 10:11 range.

它从十点回撤到十一点，然后盘后开始暴涨到四五十点。要是我硬扛的话，就得追加保证金，那真的会非常糟糕，让我倒退一大截——但这是个宝贵的教训，让我知道自己能承受更大的盈亏波动。

It pulled back ten to eleven and then into after hours started ripping like forties fifties. So if I did fight it, I would have had to refund and it would have really sucked and set me back quite a bit but it was it was a good lesson for me that I can handle larger p and l drawdowns. That started

这不很有意思吗？

Isn't that interesting?

疯狂吧。这开启了我逐步加仓的序幕。虽然亏损惨重，但我当时能退后一步理性分析这笔交易：是的，很糟，但第二天开盘我就继续交易了。我觉得那是个特例，不是我的常规操作。

Crazy. That started like the sequence of me starting to size up. Isn't that huge loss because I'm like, I was able to step back right there and think logically through this trade and yes, it sucked but I was back the next day like trading, market open. I was like, that was an outlier. That's not typically what I do.

如果挂市价单...比如涨到停牌时，或许该立个规矩：第一次涨停就平仓，就算那可能是顶部——至少避免了爆仓风险。这样就建立了防护机制。对，制定新规则。以前常和内特聊这些中国骗局股，他总是警告我：别越玩越大，总有一天会栽跟头。

If I market it you know, if this halts up then maybe I put in a rule that one halt up I cover if that ends up being the top but at least I'm not at risk of a blow up or something like that. So it puts safeguards in place. Yep. Creates new rules. Always talk to to Nate trading these China scams and stuff and he was always warning me, don't go bigger and bigger and bigger because one of them is gonna catch up.

就像人们刚开始交易这些时，它们超级...怎么说，没什么人关注

Like people started trading these. They were super, like, not crowded

为了

for

很长一段时间后人们开始交易它们。他说，他们总会在某次突然启动SSR时让人措手不及，那时他们能看到所有堆积在卖盘上的单子。他们知道我们在做空，然后就能完全掌控局面。所以他建议我必须设置最大止损。我说，不。

a really long time and then people started trading them. He So goes, they're gonna catch people off guard one of these times where they pull SSR and they can see everything stacking up on the offer. They know we're shorting and then they can have complete control of it. So he's like, you need to put a max stop. I'm like, no.

我的风险管理很稳健。比如，我不会有大的亏损。然后我给他发了这笔交易的截图，他说，看吧我早说过。所以那确实是个疯狂的情况。

My risk management's solid. Like, I don't have big losses. So then I send him a screenshot of this trade and he's like, told you so. So that was that was definitely crazy thing.

太糟了兄弟。不过感谢你分享这个，因为这让我回想起过去我也曾像被车灯照到的鹿一样僵住。嗯。你以为这种事永远不会发生，所以我总是用市价止损单。对。对。

That sucks, man. I appreciate you sharing that though because you took me back in the history where I got, like, deer in the headlights and I froze and Mhmm. And you think it never happened and that's why I always use stop markets. Yeah. Yeah.

毫无疑问。好吧。我必须用市价止损，因为我不想再陷入那种境地——你说得对。比如你做了正确决定，挂单后直接离场，但很多人会反其道而行。他们会想着‘我要试着操纵这个’

No doubt. Okay. I have to use market stops because I I just don't wanna be in that situation again because you're right. Like, you made a good decision and you put your order in and left left away but a lot of people would have done the opposite. They would have been like, I'm gonna try to finagle this.

我当时就是

And that's what I

这么想的。而且这种情况确实会发生。我是说，你确实会...你开始觉得‘好吧，我交易这么久了，知道怎么

was thinking. And and it happens. I mean, and and you do. You start to think, okay, I've been trading for a while. Know how to

我入行四年了。是啊。我...我知道自己在做什么

I'm four years in. Yeah. I I know what I'm doing.

我能操控这个。让我想想办法。我只有500股，可以再补4000股的票，马上就能

I can manipulate this. Let let me figure out what I can do here. I only have 500 shares. I can I can top tickets for 4,000 more, and I'll immediately be in

到20？我的平均成本现在是18了

the 20? My average is now 18.

没错，我会赚钱的。但是道森，听着，兄弟。你的故事，我真的很感谢你分享出来。

Yeah. I'll make money. But look, Dawson. Look, man. Your story, I really appreciate you sharing it, man.

我知道人们会百分百产生共鸣，也肯定有人想联系你提问。我怎样才能了解更多关于你的信息呢？

I know people are gonna relate to this a 100%, and I know there's gonna be some who wanna reach out and ask questions. How can I learn more about you?

我每天都在IU平台做实时交易。有时会上直播，有时做周日扫描之类的事。每周一到五晚上，我都有自己的小YouTube频道，目前只有五六百订阅者。

I trade live in IU every day. Sometimes I hop on the broadcast, sometimes I do Sunday scan, that kind of thing. Every evening, Monday to Friday, I have my own little YouTube channel. It's only got like five, six hundred subscribers. Yeah.

但我每晚都会直播复盘观察列表。我在西海岸时间，所以对东海岸观众来说有点晚。频道名大概是Dawson或Dawson d22之类的，我所有平台都叫d22。

But I go live going over my watch list every evening. I am on West Coast time so it's pretty late for the East Coasters. But yeah, I'm live streaming on there every evening and we've got a few What's the YouTube called? I think it's just Dawson or Dawson d twenty two or something like that. I'm d twenty two everywhere.

我的推特是d22_123。在IU平台也是d22，所以搜Dawson或d22都能找到。我可以把链接发给你，这样就能加进去了。

My Twitter is d twenty two underscore one two three. Okay. In IU, I'm d twenty two so it's either Dawson or d twenty two something like that but I can can send the link over and yeah, we could get it in there.

太棒了。非常感谢你今天来做客，也提醒所有观众把本期内容分享给交易员朋友或反复观看——因为重看道森分享的内容时，你会捕捉到第一次没注意到的细节。谢了兄弟。

Perfect. Well look man, I appreciate you so much being here and everybody who's watching us, make sure to share this with another trader friend and send it to somebody else or rewatch it because you're about to pick up even more tidbits because when you rewatch something like Doss just shared, you're gonna pick up even more things that you didn't hear the first time. So, thanks brother.

谢谢邀请我参加节目。

Thanks for having me on. Absolutely.

感谢收听今日节目。YouTube观众请在评论区留言写下你准备实践的收获，播客听众请给我们评分并分享你喜欢的部分——这对我们发展至关重要。再次衷心感谢，下期再见。

Thank you for finishing today's episode. If you're watching on YouTube, please leave a comment below of one of the takeaways that you are going to implement into your own trading. And if you happen to be listening on a podcast platform, go ahead and leave us a review and let us know what you enjoy about today's episode because that does go a long way in helping us continue to grow. Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart, and I look forward to seeing you on the next episode.