Date Night Updates, Atlas of Obscure Facts, and More EP 459

我想知道那时候的地貌是什么样子的。

I would like to know what the land, like, looked like at that time.

是不是大部分地方都淹在几英尺深的水下面？

Like, was it pretty much just always covered in a few feet of water?

那时候有没有特别高的山脉，只有山顶露在水面上？

Were there totally like, were there really high mountains and that's all that was above the, I mean,

我还需要再调整一下，这个还行。

I need more This was okay.

我觉得那时候应该是盘古大陆时期，这么大一片陆地，中间肯定都是沙漠。

I think this was during the Pangaea time, which if you have a giant landmass, a lot has been desert in the middle.

当时地球正从干燥气候转向湿润气候，这才让恐龙得以兴起。

And this was when the earth was undergoing a shift from this arid climate to a wetter climate that then enabled like the rise of the dinosaurs.

在二叠纪大灭绝之后进入三叠纪，很多生命都消失了，那会儿环境特别干燥、荒凉，氧气也很少。

And part of the thing that every so much of life had died out in the in Permian extinction going into the Triassic, it is that had been this sort of dry, deserty, low oxygen environment.

所以这场大雨，是在经历了漫长干旱之后终于降临了。

So this was the coming of the rains after a great many times.

我想它持续了一百万年。

I guess it lasted for a million years.

你肯定没想到今天会学到这些。

You just never knew you were gonna learn that today when

当你打开

you turned

《两个世界》精选集的时候。

on Best of Both Worlds.

接下来要讲的是卡尼期洪积事件。

That you were gonna hear about the Carnian Pluvial Event.

对我来说，这是个非常冷门的小知识。

So obscure fact number one for me.

好的，莎拉。

Alright, Sarah.

我们换个话题。

We're gonna pivot.

我们会频繁切换话题。

We're gonna pivot a lot.

频繁切换话题。

Pivot a lot.

你准备好了吗？

Are you ready?

开始吧。

Let's do it.

让你大吃一惊。

To blow your mind.

我孩子最近特别爱看一些老的尼克儿童频道节目，比如《iCarly》。

So my kids are into watching, like, the old, like, I don't know, oughts Nickelodeon shows, including iCarly.

我当时就觉得这场景有点眼熟。

And I was like, this is vaguely familiar.

后来我才明白，是因为《iCarly》里用的学校布景，和《校园青春录》的是同一个。

And the reason it's familiar is because the set they used on iCarly for the school is the same as Saved by the Bell.

他们只是把它存放在某个地方了吗？

Were they just like kept it somewhere?

是的。

Yes.

我猜他们确实把布景保存在某个旧摄影棚里，后来又拿出来用了。

I bet they did keep it somewhere in some old studio building dusted it off.

尼克儿童频道的想法是，我们预算有限。

Nickelodeon's like, we're low budget.

干脆直接再用一次吧。

Let's just reuse this.

这布景在八九十年代佐治·莫里斯在走廊里跑来跑去的时候效果特别好。

It worked really, really well in the eighties and nineties when Zach Morris roamed the halls.

那就再用一次好了。

Let's just do it again.

真不敢相信他们还留着这个。

Can't believe they still had it.

这一点真让我震惊。

That part blows my mind.

我们居然还留着它，真是不可思议。

Like, that we're like, okay.

我不知道《小鬼当家》结束和《爱卡莉》开播之间隔了多久，但你说得对。

I don't know how many years elapsed between the end of Saved by the Bell and the beginning of iCarly, but you're right.

肯定超过十年了，这点毫无疑问。

It was, like, probably, like, more than a decade, definitely.

是的。

Yeah.

这不就说明问题了吗。

Well, there you go.

人们总说，东西用过一次就再也不会用，直接扔了算了。

I mean, and people say you'll never use it again.

干脆扔掉吧。

Just throw it out.

整理一下吧。

Declutter it.

你看，就是这样。

Well, there you go.

不是所有东西都要扔。

Not everything.

好吧。

Alright.

我的第二个冷知识。

My second Obscure Fact.

这个跟《圣经》有关，因为我女儿刚参加完我们教会的坚振礼，所有人都得完成一个三十天的灵修项目。

This one is Bible trivia because my daughter just went through our church confirmation process and they all had to do a thirty day spiritual discipline project.

于是她研究了三十位《圣经》中的榜样，还特意设定了至少一半是女性的目标。

And so she researched thirty biblical role models and she had a goal of doing at least half women.

所以你也能想到，因为这个要求，有些人物确实比较冷门。

And so as you might imagine, some of this was a bit more obscure because of that.

但她写到的一个人，摩西、米利暗和亚伦的母亲，名叫约基别。

But one of the people she wrote about, the name of the mother of Moses, Miriam, and Aaron is Jochebed.

很多人听说过摩西。

Now, a lot of people have heard of Moses.

如果你学过希伯来圣经，或者读过旧约里的故事，应该也熟悉米利暗和亚伦。

If you have any sort of like, if you ever learned, like, Hebrew Bible stuff or if you have read any of the Old Testament, the stories, you would know Miriam and Aaron as well.

但大多数人不知道约基别这个名字。

But most people do not know the name of Jochebed.

值此母亲节临近之际，让我们向这位养育了三位著名子女的圣经母亲致敬。

So let's give honor to a biblical mother of three famous children in here as we are near Mother's Day.

我得坦白，我以前对这个名字真有点怀疑，还以为是他们编出来的。

My confession is I've actually had patience with that name, and I just thought they, like, made it up.

不是的，莎拉，这名字是真的。

They did not, Sarah.

现在我知道了。

But now I know.

这下你明白了吧。

Now you know.

这下你清楚了。

Now you know.

现在你可以用上这个冷知识了。

And now you can use this obscure fact.

你可以说：哦，我知道这个名字的来历。

You could tell them, oh, I know where that name comes from.

太棒了。

Awesome.

好的。

Alright.

我们接着聊人体，不过——

We're going back to the human body, but no.

但不聊身高了。

We're not going back to height, though.

身高是个例外。

Height was a one off.

接下来我们聊左撇子。

We're going to left handedness.

我的数据是，大约百分之十的人口是左撇子。

And my fact is that about ten percent of the population is left handed.

这个比例多年来一直比较稳定，但男性左撇子的比例实际上更高。

That's been fairly constant over time, but it's actually more common for men to be left handed.

男性中略高于百分之十，女性则大约是百分之八点七。

So it's just over ten percent in men and something like 8.7 in women.

我本人就是左撇子，这让我觉得自己有点特别。

And I'm left handed, so that just made me feel a little special.

资料还说，如果父母都是左撇子，孩子是左撇子的概率是百分之二十五。

It also said that if you have two left handed parents, then the chance of having a left handed offspring is twenty five percent.

我父母都是左撇子，结果他们生了两个女儿，全都是左撇子。

But my two left handed parents had two left handed female offspring.

所以我也说不准。

So I dunno.

我觉得我可能带着一种超强的左撇子基因，但没传给任何一个孩子。

I think I have a superpower left handed gene that then did not pass on to any of my children.

是这样的。

There

我特别喜欢左撇子统计数据里的一个点，几年前我读到过，这其实是统计被误用的一个例子：老年人中左撇子的比例更低。

you So one of my favorite things about the left handedness statistics, and I remember reading this years ago as an evidence of sort of the misuse of statistics, is that there were lower percent of older people who were left handed.

这让人有点担心，是不是出了什么问题？

And it's like, uh-oh, does something go wrong?

左撇子的人是不是更容易在意外中丧生？

Do people are they more likely to kill themselves accidentally in accidents if they're left handed?

不是，不是，根本不是。

No, no, no.

是因为过去人们总是强迫孩子改用右手。

It's that they used to force children to be right handed back in the day.

就算你天生习惯用左手，他们也会强迫你用右手写字。

Like, even if you were naturally dominant on the left side, they would force you to write with your right hand.

所以在那之前，直到这种做法改变为止，根本没人说自己是左撇子，因为根本不被允许。

And so up until a certain point, until that change, there weren't people saying they were left handed because they hadn't been allowed to be.

这是另一个完全不同的问题。

So different issue.

明白了。

Okay.

好的。

All right.

接下来是什么事实呢，劳拉？

What is your next fact, Laura?

这跟时间有关。

It's time related.

我想是吧。

I guess

这跟日期有关。

it's more of a dates related.

查尔斯·达尔文和亚伯拉罕·林肯出生在同一天。

Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln were born on the same day.

不只是同一天的日期，而是确切的1809年2月12日那一天。

And not just the same day of the year, like the same day as in 02/12/1809.

就是那一天。

So a day.

真是了不起的一天。

What a day.

稍后你会了解到，这确实是同一天。

And as you'll learn out this learn in a minute, this is actually the same day.

接下来还有一个关于不同地方日期不同的冷知识。

There's another obscure fact coming about places having different days.

我们马上就会说到。

So we'll get to that in a minute.

好的。

Alright.

莎拉，你的呢？

Sarah, what's yours?

你这个选的是地质方面的。

Yours you actually went geological here.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

That's true.

我确实是。

I did.

这之所以是我的兴趣点，是因为它和我可能有点轻微的恐惧有关。

But this is my special area of interest because it aligns with my possibly mild phobia.

那就是，一道闪电的温度是太阳表面的五倍。

And that is that a lightning bolt is five times hotter than the surface of the sun.

我真的很怕打雷。

I really don't like lightning.

我住的地方——佛罗里达通常是全美雷电最多的州。

I happen to live in well, Florida is generally the most lightning ish state.

按单位面积算，雷电频率应该是全美最高的。

Like, the more highest frequency, I think, per square foot in The United States.

不过也不是每年都是这样。

But that's not true every year.

据说2025年一整年，俄克拉荷马和德克萨斯的雷电次数都超过了我们州。

And apparently, in 2025, when you look at the calendar year, both Oklahoma and Texas beat my state out.

但为了让自己别那么紧张，我就去看死亡人数，结果我们州在死亡人数上还是第一。

But lest I get less paranoid, I start to look at fatalities, and we did win in fatalities.

我看了2024年的死亡记录，发现其中有两起就发生在我的小区附近。

And when I saw the fatalities listed in 2024, like two of them were in my neighborhood.

那两次雷暴，我到现在都记得清清楚楚。

And I actually remember both of those storms.

所以我的恐雷症看来是改不了了。

So my phobia is going to just continue.

天哪。

Yikes.

好吧。

Alright.

这就是为什么莎拉不愿意在雷暴天外出，说不定我也让你不敢靠近大水体了。

Well, this is why Sarah does not wanna be out in any lightning storms, and I maybe contribute to your not wanting to be in large bodies of water either, I guess.

我不确定。

I don't know.

不过只要太阳出来，我就没法——

Well, if the sun is out, I can't

指望。

expect.

太阳出来的时候，根本不可能打雷，除非是那种晴天霹雳。

If the sun is out, there's no chance that a lightning bolt will come except if it's a very, I don't know, if there is a lightning bolt out of the blue.

不，事情完全搞砸了。

Well, no, something went terribly awry.

好吧。

Okay.

再来个有趣的约会冷知识。

So here is another fun date related fact.

1752年9月，英国和当时还属于英国的美国，直接从9月2日跳到了9月14日，跳过了整整十一天。

So in September 1752, Britain and The United States, which was part of Britain at the time, skipped eleven days going straight from September 2 to September 14.

他们这么做的原因是跟上当时欧洲大部分地区正在使用的格里高利历。

And the reason they did this was to align with the Gregorian calendar that was being used in most of Europe at the time.

我觉得有趣的是，以前人们都说一年是365天。

What I find funny about this, so they had used to say a year was three hundred sixty five days.

现在我们都清楚了，因为闰年，一年大约是365.25天。

We all know now with the leap years, it's three sixty five point two five roughly.

所以从罗马时代沿用下来的日历，早就慢慢落后了。

And so they were falling behind basically over since the calendar had been used kind of in Roman times.

几个世纪下来，日历渐渐落后了好几天，季节对应的日期也开始明显错乱。

Over the course of centuries and centuries, they had fallen several days behind and was clearly changing where the seasons were falling.

所以到了1582年10月，教皇格列高利十三世下令，让欧洲各个天主教国家直接跳过十天。

So in Pope Gregory the thirteenth in October 1582 had ordered the various Catholic countries in Europe to move forward ten days.

对吧？

Right?

他们直接从1582年10月4日星期四跳到了10月15日星期五。

So they skipped forward actually from Thursday, 10/04/1582 to Friday, October 5 fifteenth.

这么说来，其实也是十一天吧。

I guess that's also eleven days.

我不太确定。

I don't know.

不管怎样，他们不是……也许更多一点。

Anyway, they no, maybe it's more.

总之，他们在中间跳过了十天。

They skipped ten days in the middle.

所以1582年，从10月4日直接跳到10月15日。

So October 4 to October 15 in 1582.

最离谱的是，欧洲大陆已经往前调了十天。

Now the really crazy thing about this, Europe had moved forward ten days.

但英国还没调。

Britain had not.

在1745年，你完全可以从意大利一路走到伦敦。

Now it is absolutely possible to go from say Italy to London in 1745.

对吧？

Right?

那时候两地之间是有交通往来的。

Like, there was transportation between these places.

欧洲各地的人来回走动很常见。

People were regularly going back and forth around Europe.

可整整一百七十年里，欧洲大陆比英国快了整整十天。

And yet, Continental Europe was about ten days ahead of Britain for a hundred and seventy years.

我觉得这肯定让读历史、看原始文献变得特别混乱。

I feel like this must make reading history and, like, looking at primary texts extremely confusing.

我觉得这

I think it

我可能也想过，我们不可能正好差零点二五年。

I probably also made me wonder, we can't be exactly point two five years.

不可能那么精确。

Like, it's it can't be exact.

那我们是慢慢落后了一点，还是领先了一点？

So are we gradually getting like slightly behind or slightly ahead?

我们会多出一天吗？

Are we gonna get like a bonus day?

好吧。

Well, okay.

问题是这样的。

So here's the thing.

每一百年就跳过一个闰年。

Every hundred years, you skip a leap year.

但2000年是个例外。

Only not in the year 2000.

大概是每四百年这样调整一次吧，我怕说错了，但规则是每百年跳过，每四百年又不算跳过。

It's something like every four hundred or it's I'm gonna get it wrong here, but it's every hundred years you skip it, but every, like, four hundred years you don't.

对吧？

Right?

这样就能更贴近实际时间了。

So it's, like, gets it slightly closer to it.

还是有点偏差，但比不调整要准多了。

It's a little bit off, but it's less off than it would be.

这可没咱们多放一天假来得有意思。

That's less fun than like we get a party day.

要是能这样，也许

Like, if that Maybe doesn't

如果我们都能为太阳的奇妙之处一起庆祝就好了。

if we can all just celebrate the weirdness of the sun.

好吧。

Alright.

莎拉，你最后一个。

Sarah, your last one.

我们休息一下，把这个留作悬念怎么样？

Should we take a break and leave this one as a teaser?

行。

Okay.

再快速说一个

One quick

休息。

break.

非常重要。

Really important.

好的。

Okay.

然后我们回来揭晓最后一个冷知识。

And then we'll be back with our last Obscure Fact.

嗨。

Hey.

是我们，乔纳斯兄弟。

It's us, Jonas Brothers.

猜猜怎么着？

Guess what?

我们有个大消息。

We have some big news.

什么消息，尼克？

What's the news, Nick?

天大的消息。

Huge news.

我们自己做了一个叫《Hey Jonas》的播客。

We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

我们搞了个播客？

We invented a podcast?

其实也不是我们发明的。

Well, we didn't invent it.

我们只是参与了这个节目。

We we just contributed to it.

现在很多人都在做播客。

People to do podcasts.

播客种类确实挺多的，但这个特别不一样。

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts But around this one's extra special.

那你们是怎么想到取《Hey Jonas》这个名字的呢？

So how do we how do we actually come up with

《Hey Jonas》这名字，你们是怎么定下来的？

the name Hey Jonas, guys?

说实话，我记不清了。

I honestly don't remember.

我觉得是在一次通话中决定的。

I think it was on a call

讨论该给它取什么名字。

about what we should call it.

然后。

And

哦，我们当时想的是，用我们乐队在乔纳斯兄弟之前的一个早期名字。

Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

对。

Mhmm.

你们是这么记得这件事经过的？

This is how you guys remember it going down?

是的。

Yes.

我对这件事的记忆完全不一样。

I have a very different memory of this.

我们当时在讨论一个点子，就是

We were talking about a thing, bit for

给播客用的。

the podcast.

可以让听众打电话进来

People could call in

喊一声‘乔纳斯’。

and say, hey, Jonas.

我就随手在小本子上记了‘乔纳斯’，然后提出来当个可能的标题。

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title

给这个播客用的。

for the podcast.

不过还是谢谢你们记得这件事， guys。

But thanks for remembering that, guys.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、苹果播客，或者你常用的任何平台收听《嘿，乔纳斯》吧。

Listen to hey, Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

随便在哪儿听都行。

get your podcasts.

就去听吧。

Just listen.

我们不在乎你从哪儿听。

We don't care where you hear it.

做生意却不考虑做播客？

Run a business and not thinking about podcasting?

你再好好想想。

Think again.

听播客的美国人，比听 Spotify 和 Pandora 广告版流媒体音乐的还多。

More Americans listen to podcasts than ad supported streaming music from Spotify and Pandora.

作为排名第一的播客平台，iHeart 的规模是第二名和第三名加起来的两倍。

And as the number one podcaster, iHeart's twice as large as the next two combined.

所以，不管你的客户听什么，都能听到你的信息。

So whatever your customers listen to, they'll hear your message.

而且，只有iHeart能把你的信息延伸到广播电台的听众群体。

Plus, only iHeart can extend your message to audiences across broadcast radio.

你觉得播客能帮到你的生意吗？

Think podcasting can help your business?

那就选iHeart。

Think iHeart.

流媒体、广播和播客，三者合一。

Streaming, radio, and podcasting.

欢迎访问iheartadvertising.com，我们为你演示。

Let us show you at iheartadvertising.com.

网址是iheartadvertising.com。

That's iheartadvertising.com.

又一档由SNL深夜喜剧人制作的播客，不过还没到《Robert Smigel和朋友们》那种水平。

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite on humor me with Robert Smigel and friends.

我和一众搞笑嘉宾，从鲍勃·奥登科克到大卫·莱特曼，帮你变得更幽默。

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

这期嘉宾是《周六夜现场》的米基·戴和首席编剧斯特里特·赛德尔，他们帮一支无伴奏合唱团改进了歌曲之间的串场话。

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

你们的团体一般在哪里演出？

Where does your group perform?

我们会在一些养老院表演。

We do some retirement homes.

那些老人啊，

Those people are

特别渴求这种幽默互动。

starving for banter.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听《Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends》。

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

法网是网球界最严峻的考验之一，我深有体会，因为我亲自参加过。

The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself.

我是雷妮·斯塔布斯，在《雷妮·斯塔布斯网球播客》里，我会逐场解析法网的全部动态——每一场对决、每一次冷门，以及在红土场上夺冠究竟需要什么。

I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garros, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay.

詹·钱，她一开始状态很猛，后来被鲁巴基娜以三比拿下，但我还是挺高兴的。

Jen Chien I went mean, she went down to three to Rubakina, but I'm delighted.

是的。

Yeah.

她要拿下法网冠军，可真是个意外之选啊。

She's an outsider to win the French, mate.

而且她特别喜欢红土场地。

And she likes clay.

你听好了。

Listen.

埃琳娜·鲁巴基娜现在绝对是世界上最强的选手，而且她在任何场地上都有能力夺冠。

Elena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and actually can win on any surface.

只要她的发球状态在线，其他人就别想赢了。

Because if she's serving well, good luck.

现在，就让你像坐在球场边一样，近距离感受法网赛事。

Consider this your courtside seat to the French Open.

欢迎在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客，或者你常用的任何播客平台收听《Renee Stubbs 网球播客》。

Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

本节目由美国运通冠名赞助，同时也是 iHeart 女性体育的创始合作伙伴。

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

好的。

Alright.

我们回来继续讲最后一个冷知识，其实是最后两个。

We're back with our very last Obscure Fact and actually, last two.

我有一个，劳拉也有一个。

I have one, and Laura has one.

我的这个特别重要：如果你去日本，也能买到方形的西瓜，不过价格不便宜。

And mine, very important here, is that if you go to Japan, you too can purchase a square watermelon, but it's expensive.

确实挺贵的。

It's expensive.

因为这是种珍馐嘛。

Well, because it's a delicacy, of course.

听说其实特别难吃，皮厚得要命，果肉都没多少。

Apparently, it's actually terrible to eat because the skin gets, like, very thick, so, like, there's no fruit inside.

但这主要是当装饰品，也不一定常见，不过过去确实有人把它当礼物送过。

But it's a ornamental thing, and it's often like or I don't know about often, but it has been given in the past as a gift.

当礼物。

As a gift.

在纪念品商店里能买到，买一个送朋友，或者摆在家里当摆设。

They sell it at novelty stores, and you can purchase one to, like, give to a friend and then display in your home.

但我一看见它们，就有点儿心里发毛。

But when I look at them, I'm, like, kinda skeeved out by them.

而且听说，真吃起来根本不好吃。

And apparently, they're not good to eat.

所以日本人对水果还真是挺讲究的。

So they're really into their, like, fruit in Japan.

你们那边有什么特别有意思的水果吗？

Do you have any, like, really cool fruit when you

有啊。

get one?

他们那儿有一种草莓，做成糖果的样子。

Well, they had, like, strawberries that were done up as candy.

还专门办过一个展览，讲草莓在各个农场小镇的故事。

Like, had a whole story devoted to strawberry in various farm town rooms.

真的挺有意思的。

It's kind of fascinating, really.

听着挺好玩的。

Sounds fun.

是啊。

Yeah.

不过这可不是我要说的冷知识。

Well, that's not my obscure fact though.

我的冷知识是，印第安纳州大部分地区用的是东部时间，但靠近芝加哥的一些县却用中部时间，因为它们的经济活动跟芝加哥紧密相连。

My obscure fact is that most of Indiana is on Eastern Time, but a handful of counties, many of them around Chicago are in Central time because they are economically aligned with Chicago.

以前印第安纳州有些县实行夏令时，有些则不实行。

Also for a while in Indiana, some counties switched with daylight savings time and some did not.

所以那时候，你在州内不同地方，时间可能都不一样，简直像拼图一样乱。

So it was a bit of a patchwork in terms of what time it might be at any given point in a given geographic location in Indiana.

《白宫风云》里就曾用过这个情节，他们因为不知道印第安纳州有个县的时间跟其他地方不一样，结果误了航班。

And this was actually a plot point in the West Wing once where they missed a flight because they didn't know that one county in Indiana was in a different time than

你可以想象，如果你孩子参加体育队，得开车到处跑，这个县那个县，训练场地还隔着时区，到底有没有调钟？

the other imagine if your kids was on a sports team and, like, you're traveling and then this county and that county and the practice is on this field and it's on this line and, like, did the hour switch?

我真的搞不定。

Is it like, I can't.

所以大多数州都不会这么搞。

This is why most states don't do that.

但确实，如果你每天从印第安纳州紧挨着芝加哥的县通勤到城里，还得不停调手表，那真的会烦死人。

But it's true that like, it would be more annoying if you are commuting into Chicago every day from a county that is right across the border in India and you're constantly having to switch your watch.

所以，我能理解，那边经济上对芝加哥的依赖确实很强，时间安排也跟着走。

So, I mean, I understand like the the economic gravitational pull to get back to our space and time things of Chicago is is big around there.

这就是为什么你会跟芝加哥保持一致，比如这种情况。

So that's why you would be aligned, for instance.

好了，我们的冷知识就分享到这里。

Well, that's it for our facts.

希望你们喜欢这些内容。

We hope you enjoyed it.

我们不会转做冷知识类播客，但觉得今天跟大家分享一些生活中有趣的小细节挺有意思的。

We're not gonna pivot to a fact podcast, but we just thought it would be fun to share some of our favorite little tidbits of life with you all today.

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Alright.

今天的问题来自一位听众，不过这些年我们也经常听到类似的问题。

So today's question is it was specific one from a listener, but has also come up fairly frequently from people that we've heard from over the years.

这位朋友说，她现在怀了第二个孩子，对目前在科技行业的工作感到精疲力尽。

And this particular person said, I am pregnant with my second child, and I am really burnt out in my tech job.

她丈夫刚刚得到了一笔不小的晋升。

My husband just got a fairly sizable promotion.

所以我们讨论过，她可以暂时离开职场，休个两年左右的假。

And so we have talked about my taking a short break, like perhaps two years or so from paid work.

但她担心，这两年正是科技行业变化非常关键的时期。

However, I'm worried that this is going to be a very formative two years in the technology industry.

她也担心，哪怕只是暂时，成为单收入家庭会带来一些后续影响。

I am also worried about some of the ramifications of becoming a one income family even if only for a while.

你怎么看？

What do you think?

所以，Sarah，你觉得呢？

So Sarah, what do you think?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得对这么大的变化感到担忧是正常的，尤其是你现在正经历其他重大转变，未来在经济压力和生活感受上会怎样，可能还说不准。

I think it's right to be a little fearful of this really big change, especially that time in your life you're making other big changes, and you may not know exactly what's coming for you in terms of financial demands and what it's gonna feel like, etcetera.

我建议你好好做一次详细的分析，如果可能的话，最好包括长期的财务预测。

I would definitely work on conducting some kind of detailed analysis, including long term financial projections if you can.

确实有一种说法，认为妈妈全职在家对孩子更好，因为他们能更多地陪伴你。

And just will point out that there's like a narrative that if you stay home, it's better for the child because they they have more of you.

但说实话，到了现在这个阶段，我为孩子刷卡消费的机会比以往多得多。

And yet, the number of opportunities that I've had to just get my credit card out for my kids at this particular juncture in life has been like a lot.

等孩子长大一点，他们可能会对很多校外活动感兴趣，而这些往往都需要花钱。

And there are things that they may be really interested in doing outside of the home when they're older that cost money.

我敢说，这辈子我从来没有像现在这样，更庆幸我们家有两份收入。

And I've I've never been happier to have two incomes, I guess, I would say, than at this particular juncture in life.

所以有时候，到底什么对现在有利，什么对将来更好，其实很难分清。

And so sometimes it can be unclear what's gonna be of benefit now versus later.

另外，我觉得你得小心那种非黑即白的思维——要么彻底辞职在家待几年，要么就得硬撑着干这份糟糕的工作。

And then I just think you should be careful of sort of the false dichotomy between I have to completely opt out of the workforce for a couple years versus I need to stay in this terrible job.

我的意思是，其实还有很多中间选项可以考虑，或许能让你两全其美。

I mean, there are probably a rainbow of other intermediate things that might be considered that may allow you the best of both worlds.

没错。

Absolutely.

对。

Yeah.

不是这样的。

No.

我觉得莎拉说得很好，放弃收入并不一定对孩子特别有利。

I think that's great that Sarah pointed out that you may like, giving up your income is not inherently a great thing for your children.

孩子既需要陪伴，也需要经济支持。

That kids need time and money.

只要你有收入在工作，通常就能同时提供这两样。

If you are working for pay, you are generally providing both.

所以我们得小心，别陷入那种‘全职在家就一定对孩子更好’的误区。

And so we want to be careful about falling into this argument of this somehow being better for the kids.

我也会认真考虑一些折中的方案。

I would definitely think about middle of the road options too.

最直接的办法就是，你也许可以调整一下现在这份工作的节奏。

I mean, the most obvious thing is that you may be able to work differently at the job you are currently in.

对吧？

Right?

你可能是太拼了，才搞得精疲力尽。

Like, you may have become burnt out because you are an absolute A plus employee.

不妨试着放慢一点，做个中等水平的员工，看看效果如何。

Maybe you could try being a B minus employee for a while and see how it goes.

我猜你根本不会被开除，因为你中等的表现，可能比别人优秀水平还强。

My guess is you actually won't get fired because your b minus is probably equivalent to a lot of other people's a, a minus, whatever.

而且你这中等水平，肯定比公司新招的员工强，人家至少得花六个月到一年才能上手。

And definitely your B minus is better than the new hire that they're going to have to bring in who won't be up to speed for at least six to twelve months anyway.

所以，适当歇一歇，就这么维持现状，其实也是可行的。

So it is possible perhaps to coast for a while and just let it go at that.

这可能是最简单的办法了。

That would be the most simplest option.

你也可以考虑申请正式的兼职安排。

You could obviously go for an official like part time arrangement.

如果公司愿意的话，说不定行得通。

If your company is open to that, they might be.

你可以先打听打听。

You can look around.

别人有没有这么做过？

Has anyone else done it?

你可以跟主管聊聊，看看能不能申请延长产假。

You could bring it up with your manager, try and take an extended maternity leave.

有时候这种做法是可行的。

Sometimes that's something you can do.

你可以试试看，先过六个月或七个月这样的生活，具体能休多久，看公司怎么安排，要是能把年假也搭上就更好了。

You could try out doing that life for six, seven months, whatever they will let you do, especially if you add together some vacation time to that.

等这段时期结束时，你可能会发现，自己其实还是很想回职场，哪怕只是兼职也好，因为这也是一个选择。

You may decide at the end of that that you actually really do want to come back to work at least part time because that's the other thing.

如果你已经精疲力尽了，照顾两个小孩子根本谈不上放松。

Like, if you're burnt out, taking care of two small children is not going to be relaxing.

这根本不是能让你恢复元气、重新找回自我的那种轻松生活。

Like that is not the relaxing thing that will allow you to rejuvenate yourself and get back to being whole again.

这肯定会很辛苦。

Like, it's going to be challenging.

这过程当然很有意义，但也会特别累人，尤其是如果你丈夫因为新升职的工作需要更长时间加班的话。

It's going to be meaningful, obviously, but it's also going to be exhausting, especially if your husband is needing to work longer in this new promotion position that you may be doing.

而且如果你请不起更多帮手的话。

And if you can afford less help.

没错。

Yeah.

如果你能负担的帮手更少，情况可能会更糟。

And you afford less may end

陷入一种根本没法休息的境地。

up in a situation where you like, you're not can't take a break.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yep.

所以你在进入这个阶段之前，得好好想想，这真的能帮你缓解倦怠吗？还是说，你可能需要考虑换一份工作。

So you might want to keep that in mind as you are going into this, if that is really the thing that's going to help you feel less burnt out or maybe it does need to be that you look for a different job.

世界上有成千上万份工作，尤其是如果你懂科技，又跟现在这些AI技术相关的话。

Like there are a million jobs out there in the world, especially if you have skills in the tech world that are related to all the AI stuff that's going on.

也许换个方向会更好。

Maybe that would be helpful.

所以，我的意思是，当然了，如果你在产假结束时决定，没错，这就是我想要的——顺便说一句，你根本不用这么早就做决定，完全可以等到产假结束再说。

And so, yeah, I mean, obviously, if you decide, especially at the end of your maternity leave that, yes, absolutely what I want to do, which by the way, you don't need to make that decision till the end of your maternity leave anyway.

所以第一步是争取更长的假期，之后再做决定。

So first step is negotiate for the long leave, then decide.

但等到你产假结束，如果你决定没错，这真是我想做的，那太好了。

But at the end of your leave, if you decide, yeah, this is really what I want to do, then awesome.

毕竟人生还很长，能这么选挺好。

Like, that's great to like, life is long.

如果你觉得花几年时间专心照顾孩子，尤其是在工作时间，这是你想要的，那完全没问题。

And if that's what you wanna do to take a couple years out for focusing on childcare during working hours, that's great.

但你得清楚自己在做什么，别糊里糊涂地就做了决定。

But you wanna go into it with your eyes open as opposed to not eyes open.

是的。

Yeah.

别被那些说法牵着走。

Don't follow the narratives.

要关注具体的情况，想想对你来说实际会是什么样子。

Follow the actual concrete, like, details of what it would be like for you.

对。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

有个人在我们的论坛上提这个问题时提到一点：如果你丈夫刚换新工作，我们还不知道他会不会真的喜欢这份工作。

Well, with just one thing that somebody had pointed out when he raised this question on our forum, if your husband has just started his new job, we don't know yet that he's gonna love it.

所以如果你现在辞职，他可能会更被绑在这份工作上。

So if you do quit, he may be slightly more trapped in it.

最后说不定你们俩都不开心。

And maybe neither of you could wind up happy at the end of this.

所以在你做决定之前，最好确保大家都接受这个安排，他也真正安顿好了。

So we should just make sure that everyone's cool with that, and he's all settled before you make a decision as well.

好的。

Alright.

莎拉，你这周的暖心小事。

Sarah, your love of the week.

我本来想接着你说的讲，但我还是说说我的吧。

Well, I went off of yours, but I'll share mine specifically.

我特别喜欢我的Mephisto凉鞋，大概一年前在诺德斯特龙打折时买的。

So I love my Mephisto sandals, and I got them on sale at Nordstrom about a year ago.

但在我看来，它们就像加高版的Birkenstocks。

But to me, they look like elevated Birkenstocks.

特别是Dominica这款。

They're the Dominica style in particular.

我觉得它们能让休闲装扮显得更精致，搭配裙子也完全没问题，而且特别舒服。

And I feel like they just they go they, like, make a casual outfit look more polished, but then they will also look fine with a dress, and they're incredibly comfortable.

我正考虑再买一双别的颜色，不过现在它们已经是我的夏季必备单品了。

So I'm thinking about getting them in another color for this season, but they are just like my workhorse summer piece right now.

你呢？

How about you?

我也有自己的夏季穿搭固定搭配，就是稍微短一点的牛仔裤。

I also, yes, have a summer uniform, which is slightly cropped jeans.

我现在穿的就是一双。

I'm wearing a pair right now.

平底鞋，我的Sharex平底鞋，再配一件无袖的A字裙上衣。

Flats, my Sharex flats, and a sleeveless shift type shirt.

今天还有一点凉，所以我没穿这身。

I'm not wearing that because it's still a little cool today.

等夏天来了，我就会天天这么穿，这样挺好的，因为不用

But once the summer comes, that's kind of what I wear on repeat, which is nice because then I don't

费心搭配。

have to think about it.

太棒了。

Love it.

生活中能少想点事，总是更好。

Fewer things in life to think about, the better.

舒服，决策也少。

Comfortable, less decisions.

就这么穿吧。

Go for it.

去吧。

Go for it.

嗯，今天这事儿真是两全其美。

Well, this has been best of both worlds.

今天咱们聊了聊约会之夜，过去几个月是怎么安排的。

Today, we've been talking date nights, how we've been handling those the past few months.

我们还分享了一些冷门小知识，万一你今天早上想跟人搭话，可以拿来做话题。

We listed some of our favorite obscure facts in case you're looking for a way to strike up a conversation with somebody this morning.

你知道吗？人一般早上身高会高一点。

Did you know that people are generally taller in the morning?

这下你可知道了。

Well, now you do know.

谢谢，莎拉。

Thank you, Sarah.

我们还聊了聊职业暂停这件事。

We've also been talking about taking a career pause.

我们下周回来，继续聊聊如何让工作和生活更好地融合。

We will be back next week with more on making work and life fit together.

感谢收听。

Thanks for listening.

你可以通过 theshoebox.com 或 Instagram 上的 underscore shoebox 找到我，Sarah。

You can find me, Sarah, at theshoebox.com or at the underscore shoebox on Instagram.

你也可以通过 lauravanderkam.com 找到我，Laura。

And you can find me, Laura, at lauravanderkam.com.

你正在收听的是《双全其美》播客。

This has been the best of both worlds podcast.

下次别忘了回来，继续探讨如何让工作和生活和谐共处。

Please join us next time for more on making work and life work together.

嗨，各位。

Hey, guys.

是我们，

It's us,

乔纳斯兄弟。

the Jonas Brothers.

我是乔。

I'm Joe.

我是凯文。

I'm Kevin.

我是尼克。

And I'm Nick.

猜怎么着？

And guess what?

我们自己做了一个播客，叫《嘿，乔纳斯》。

We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

我们搞了个播客？

We invented a podcast?

其实呢，我们也没发明这个概念。

Well, we didn't invent it.

我们只是参与了制作。

We we just contributed to it.

人们都在做播客。

People to do podcasts.

我们可以问别人问题了，毕竟我们受够了总被问来问去。

We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

说‘受够了’可能有点夸张，但确实有点烦了。

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick.

烦了，累了。

Tired and sick.

收听《Hey Jonas》请到

Listen to Hey Jonas on

iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客，或者

the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

你平时听播客的平台。

you get your podcasts.

就听着就行。

Just listen.

你们在哪儿听我们都无所谓。

We don't care where you hear it.

又一档由《周六夜现场》的深夜喜剧人做的播客，跟罗伯特·西格尔和朋友们的《Humor Me》可不一样。

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite on humor me with Robert Smigel and friends.

我和从鲍勃·奥登科克到戴维·莱特曼这些搞笑嘉宾一起，帮你变得更幽默。

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

这期嘉宾是《周六夜现场》的米基·戴和首席编剧斯特里特·西德尔，他们帮一支无伴奏合唱团改进歌曲之间的串场话。

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

你们团体一般在哪里演出？

Where does your group perform?

我们会在一些养老院演出。

We do some retirement homes.

那些人

Those people

他们特别渴望听到互动的对话。

are starving for banter.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple Podcasts 或你常用的任何播客平台收听《Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends》。

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

你好。

Hey.

我是医生兼认知科学家玛雅·尚克，主持播客《计划的小调整》，这档节目探讨的是当生活改道时，我们如何重新认识自己、成为新的自己。

I'm doctor Maya Shanker, a cognitive scientist and host of the podcast A Slight Change of Plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans.

我真希望当初没有那么久地抗拒改变的必要。

I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change.

我们必须愿意接受一种谁都不喜欢的不确定性。

We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes.

你当然可以有自己的观点。

You can have opinions.

你完全可以持一个鲜明的立场。

You can have, like, a strong stance.

还有你的身体，确实如此。

And then there's your body Yeah.

它有自己的运行程序。

Having its own program.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple 播客或你常用的任何平台收听《计划微调》。

Listen to a slight change of plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

二十多岁可以非常精彩，但也可能让人精疲力尽、迷茫，甚至感到孤单。

Your twenties can be so exciting, but they can also be really overwhelming, confusing, and honestly, just kind of lonely.

五月是心理健康宣传月，《二十多岁的心理》正在剖析我们面临最大障碍背后的科学原理。

May is mental health awareness month, and the psychology of your twenties is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face.

我工作六年了，每周八十小时，总是第一个到办公室，

I was six years into my career, the eighty hour weeks and just the first one in,

最后一个走，最后还是 burnout 了。

the last one out, and I ended up burning out.

我二十多岁有一大段时光，总想着赶紧熬过去，想摆脱那个阶段，摆脱那个自己，现在回头想想，真后悔没好好活在当下。

There was a large chunk of my twenties that I, like, was just so wanting to, like, be out of that phase, out of my skin, and I just, like, really regret not living in the present more.

你现在不用非得把一切都想明白。

You don't need to have everything figured out right now.

你只需要更了解自己一点就行了。

You just need to understand yourself a little bit better.

在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple Podcasts 或你常用的播客平台收听《你的二十多岁》的心理学解析。

Listen to the psychology of your twenties on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

这是 iHeart 播客《有保障的人性》。

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.