独白：AI 撞墙

这是iHeart播客，保证真人。

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.

如果你的书架和你的推荐页对你的个性同样重要，欢迎回家。

If your bookshelf and your for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home.

《Pro Society》是一档每周更新的播客，既是读书俱乐部，又是群聊，适合那些认为《傲慢与偏见》和《爱情岛》值得同等讨论的人。

Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse.

每周，我们都会把你最喜欢的作家、读书博主以及大量过度思考的观点，将书籍、网络和流行文化串联起来。

Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the Internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions.

对。

Yeah.

我迷上了。

I'm obsessed.

我迷上了。

I'm obsessed.

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客或任何你收听播客的地方，收听《Pro Society》。

Listen to pro society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

在新播客《Solita》里，我们分享女性独自旅行时那些乱七八糟的真实经历。

On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman.

我可以等四个小时，就为了

I can wait four hours for

等下一班公交车，或者让这个陌生男人用摩托车载我一程。

the next bus, or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle.

我选了第二个选项。

I chose option b.

我是朱莉·皮涅罗，我独自旅行，因为那是一个我可以不用先问别人就能说“好”的难得空间。

I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first.

我的使命是重新定义“solita”这个词，把同情变成可能性。

I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility.

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的地方，收听《Solita》。

Listen to solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

你听《Hey Jonas》播客的新一集了吗？

Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast?

我们在

We are

D23展会上，所以我们会

at d 23, so we'll

看看谁会来。

see who who stops by.

《冰雪奇缘》的演员们来了。

The cast of Frozen stopped by.

克里斯汀·贝尔、乔什·盖德和伊迪娜·门泽尔。

Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Edina Menzel.

我去试镜过《冰雪奇缘》。

I auditioned for Frozen.

什么？

What?

试镜克里斯托夫的角色。

For Christophe.

他们说，好的。

They said, okay.

你今天打算唱什么？

What are you gonna be singing today?

我说，我不知道。

I said, I don't know.

那肯定就是你没被选上的原因。

That must have been why you didn't get it.

哦，你大概赢了吧。

Oh, you probably won.

还有约翰·斯塔莫斯、星球大战里的海登·克里斯滕森，还有其他人。

Plus John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more.

我想我可以分享这个。

And I guess I can share that

不会吧。

No way.

在iHeartRadio应用上收听最新一期的《Hey Jonas》。

Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app.

苹果播客或者任何你收听播客的地方都可以。

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

嘿。

Hey.

我是海斯·达文波特。

This is Hayes Davenport.

我是肖恩·克莱门茨。

And Sean Clements.

我们主持的播客叫《好莱坞手册》。

We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook.

每周我们都会和一位娱乐圈人士聊天，试着帮他们发展事业，看看他们能给我们带来什么。

Each week, we talk to someone in show business and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us.

大家都玩得很开心，也没人因为经纪人让他们上我们节目而生气。

Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show.

我们请过很多大牌嘉宾，比如莎拉·谢尔曼、亚当·斯科特、丹尼·麦克布莱德、本·斯蒂勒，还有很多其他大人物，他们能有今天全靠我们。

We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, Adam Scott, Danny McBride, Ben Stiller, and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us.

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客或者你收听播客的任何地方，都可以收听《好莱坞手册》。

Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

拨打Zone Media。

Call Zone Media.

大家好，欢迎收听本周的《Better Offline》独白。

Hello, and welcome to this week's Better Offline monologue.

我是主持人艾德·齐特龙。

I'm your host, Ed Zitron.

《Better Offline》。

Better Offline.

这周会很漫长，这个月也很漫长，这几年更是漫长，所以我比平时早一点录这段独白，具体来说是周二，这意味着我对英伟达的财报没什么想法，除非事情真的闹翻天，否则也不会有。

It's gonna be a long week after a long month after a long few years, so I'm recording this monologue a little earlier than usual on Tuesday to be specific, which means I don't have thoughts on NVIDIA's earnings and won't have them unless, of course, things go really haywire.

我这么一说，听起来好像有可能，但我觉得英伟达的股价下跌至少还会持续一个季度。

Now I've said that, that sounds possible, but I think it's likely the no IT loads refused cash dump will continue at least for another quarter there.

不管怎样，我们有一个更紧迫的问题，那就是OpenAI的衰退以及AI行业撞上了墙。

In any case, we have a far more pressing problem, the deterioration of OpenAI and the AI industry hitting a wall.

上周，OpenAI完成了70亿美元的员工股票出售。

Last week, OpenAI completed the $7,000,000,000 employee share sale.

但和大多数员工股票出售不同，OpenAI用自有资金以之前8650亿美元的估值回购了员工股票。

But unlike most employee share sales, OpenAI used its own cash to buy its employee stock at the previously raised valuation of $865,000,000,000.

几天后，首席运营官兼前首席财务官布拉德·莱特卡普和首席营收官丹尼斯·德雷瑟都离开了公司。

A few days later, both chief operating officer and former CFO Brad Lightcap and chief revenue officer Denise Dresser left the company.

德雷瑟在公司待了不到一年，很可能放弃了价值数千万美元的未归属OpenAI股票。

Dresser had been at the company less than a year and likely walked away from tens of millions of dollars worth of unvested OpenAI shares.

四月份，她曾表示，我引用CNBC的话，她对企业行业一直充满信心，但看来这种信心并没有大到足以让她留在一家计划在2027年上市的公司的地步。

In April, she said that she had, and I quote CNBC, consistently within the enterprise industry, though it appears that said conviction didn't spread far enough to keep her at a company that definitely plans to go public sometime in 2027.

当然，除非这个计划不再那么确定了。

Unless, of course, it's not quite so definite anymore.

Anthropic大幅加快了上市计划，彭博社报道称它目标在九月或十月上市，不过我们还没有看到任何关于其实际S-1文件的报道。

Anthropic has dramatically accelerated its plans to go public with Bloomberg reporting that it's aiming for a September or October listing, though we're yet to see any reporting on its actual s one.

这对OpenAI来说在很多方面都是个问题，但咱们还是先把所有新闻过一遍。

Now this is a problem for OpenAI in many ways, but let's get through all the news first.

上周末，彭博社还报道说，OpenAI的年化收入有望达到400亿美元，年化运行率比Anthropic在5月声称的70亿美元要低。

At the very end of last week, Bloomberg also reported that OpenAI was on track to hit $40,000,000,000 in annualized revenue, $7,000,000,000 in annualized run rate less than Anthropic had claimed it hit in May.

是的，你没听错。

And, yes, you heard that right.

我说的是“有望”，这并不意味着它已经达到了那个数字，而且，它也没有定义运行率，因为彭博社也没这么做。

I said on track, which does not mean it hit that number, and no, it did not define run rate because Bloomberg neglected to do so either.

而且，当你在谈论废话的时候，谁还需要定义呢？

And, well, who needs definitions when you're just talking about bullshit.

对吧？

Right?

它可能是指过去四周乘以12或13，或者实际上任何数字。

It could mean the last four weeks multiplied by 12 or 13 or really anything.

我们真的不知道。

We we truly don't know.

每个人对运行率都有不同的定义，真是烦人。

Everyone seems to use a goddamn different definition of run rate.

然后周一，彭博社报道说Anthropic的年化运行率达到了650亿美元，他们把这个指标定义为从较短时期推算全年收入，没有更多解释，我发誓我没开玩笑。

Anyway, then on Monday, Bloomberg reported that Anthropic had hit $65,000,000,000 in annualized run rate, which had defined, I shit you not, as a metric that projects full year revenue from a shorter period with no further explanation.

谁在乎呢？

Who fucking cares?

对吧？

Right?

这关系到号称全球最大的人工智能公司，有3000亿美元的承诺。

It's only about what's ostensibly meant to be the largest AI company in the world with $300,000,000,000 worth of commitments.

没必要真的了解你在说什么。

No need to actually know what you're talking about.

没必要对一个影响市场的数字多说一句。

No need to say anything further about a market moving number.

没必要那样做。

No need to do that.

这有什么好折腾的？

Why fucking bother?

对吧？

Right?

直接把故事和炒作都收起来吧。

Just put the story in the bag, the hype in the bag.

结账吧。

Check, please.

我们在杂货店可不会这么说。

We wouldn't really say that at a grocery store.

总之，换句话说，OpenAI花了四个月也没完全追上Anthropic，结果Anthropic很快就放出话来，说这场竞争根本不在一个级别上。

Anyway, in other words, OpenAI had taken four months to not quite catch up with Anthropic only for Anthropic to quickly drop that the race wasn't even close.

不管怎样，AI的拥护者们立刻有点紧张了，因为很多人被匿名消息和像Yippit这样不靠谱的数据块给说服了，以为年化收入在700亿到1000亿之间。

Regardless, AI boosters immediately got a little anxious because many had been convinced by anonymous sources and questionable data blocks like Yippit that annualized run rates were somewhere between 70,000,000,000 and 100,000,000,000.

看来他们脑子里的那些声音也不可靠。

I guess the voices in their heads weren't reliable.

他们有没有试过献祭动物？

Did they try sacrificing an animal?

我不知道这些该死的人到底在搞什么。

I don't know what these fucking people do.

不是靠读的。

Isn't read.

就是听那些声音说，是的，先生。

It's just listening to the voices that say, sir, yes.

年底前年化收入达到1000亿美元。

100,000,000,000 annualized by end of year.

只有有资格的人才能投资这个IPO。

Only the worthy will be able to invest in this IPO.

对。

Yes.

总之，这种焦虑蔓延到了整个AI行业，就连最狂热的支持者现在也开始担心，Anthropic和OpenAI的收入都放缓了，主要是因为确实放缓了。

Anyway, said anxiety is spread across the AI industry with even the most mold poison boosters now fretting that both Anthropic and OpenAI's revenues had slowed down mostly because they have.

我还要补充一点，这些数据是七月底的，那时候还是“烧token”的时代，公司都鼓励员工尽可能多地消耗token，根本不在乎成本。所以从那时起，增长肯定会放缓，因为企业都在限制开支，像沃尔玛、Stripe还有其他好几家公司都已经这么做了。

I'll also add that these numbers, which come from the end of July, are still from the era of tokenmaxing where companies were encouraging employees to burn as many tokens as possible with no regard for costs, meaning that growth will invariably slow from here as enterprises cap spending as Walmart and Stripe and multiple others have done.

在Anthropic悄悄推出咖啡产品的一天后，OpenAI做出了一个令人难以置信的决定，我引用一下，“暂停部分前沿强化学习训练，以确保能达到适当的对齐要求。”

A day after Anthropic crept in its coffee, OpenAI made the incredible decision to, and I quote, pause some frontier reinforcement learning training to ensure it can meet the appropriate alignment.

这其实就是说，OpenAI至少在未来几周内会停止训练最新模型，以加强安全措施。这跟最近的一起事件有关：OpenAI的一个模型在配置错误的服务器上，竟然成功入侵了Hugging Face。这与其说是模型失控，不如说是OpenAI自己工作没做好。

A complex way of saying that OpenAI will stop training its latest models for at least the next few weeks to increase safety connected to the recent incident where an OpenAI model in an incorrectly configured server was able to hack Hugging Face, which is less of a case of it going rogue and more of a case of OpenAI being bad at its job.

如果你告诉软件去做某件事，它肯定会想方设法去做的。

If you tell software to do something, it's gonna try and do it.

哦，这没对齐。

Oh, it isn't lined right.

是你软件编程没做好。

You program the software poorly.

这里你搞错了。

You're wrong here.

这可不是什么AI的魔力。

This isn't the magic of AI.

这就是OpenAI的悲剧所在。

This is the tragic of OpenAI.

不清楚OpenAI到底想达到什么目的，除了含糊地说我们关心安全。

It's unclear what OpenAI hoped to achieve here rather than vaguely saying we care about safety.

但从我在社交媒体和收件箱里看到的一切来看，大家都把这解读为OpenAI已经停止训练新模型，这也是事实，尽管他们声称只是暂停两周。

But from everything I'm seeing on social media and in my inbox, everybody's interpreting this as OpenAI has stopped training new models, which is also the truth, albeit only they claim for two weeks.

也许吧，如果你相信他们的话。

Maybe, if you believe them.

顺便说一句，这真是个愚蠢透顶的主意。

This is a really fucking stupid idea by the way.

或者至少，在所有人都注意到OpenAI的收入增长放缓的时候宣布这个，真是个愚蠢透顶的主意。

Or at least was a really fucking stupid idea to announce at a time when everybody has noticed that OpenAI's revenue growth has decelerated.

新模型和新功能实际上就是这些公司保持增长的唯一途径。

New models and features are effectively the only way for these companies to keep growing.

而OpenAI远远落后于Anthropic，这使得不推出任何新东西或很少新东西的想法更加令人质疑。

And OpenAI is far behind Anthropic, which makes the idea of not doing anything new or much new all the more questionable.

OpenAI当然会试图把这件事包装成他们的新模型拥有令人难以置信的新能力，他们必须为此做好准备。

OpenAI will, of course, try and spin this as its new models having incredible new abilities it must prepare for.

天哪。

Oh, god.

你会看到有人这么说，然后你只是看着他们。

Are you gonna see look at anyone saying that and you just you just look at them.

你能看到《无耻混蛋》里的那个三根手指的手势。

You can see the three finger thing from Inglourious Bastards.

就像，是的。

Like, yep.

有个人根本不在乎。

There's someone who doesn't give a shit.

有个人会狼吞虎咽地吃下喂给他们的营销话术。

There's someone who will scarf down the marketing slot when fed to them.

好吃。

Yummy.

总之，这些都是小道消息，但坊间传闻说OpenAI撞墙了，算力不够用，没法支撑推理和训练新模型。

Anyway, this is all very rumint, but the word on the street is that this is OpenAI hitting a wall and running out of compute to serve inference and train new models.

还有人说Anthropic可能也会跟着这么做。

With one person suggesting that Anthropic could follow suit.

这对Anthropic来说倒是说得通，他们之前急得不行，都去租Elon Musk的SpaceX的算力了，甚至可能还租了Meta的。但听到OpenAI也这样，我挺惊讶的，毕竟他们年初还在吹自己算力比竞争对手强得多。

This does make sense for Anthropic who got so desperate that it's renting capacity from Elon Musk's SpaceX and potentially even Meta, but I'm surprised to hear it about OpenAI who boasted earlier in the year about its massive compute advantage over its competitors.

而且，也有可能只是算力上线没那么快。

And again, it's also very possible that compute capacity is just not coming online very fast.

Oracle那边的人告诉我，Stargate Abilene原本计划六月份完工，或者年初，或者年底，反正现在谁也说不准，现在八栋楼里只有三栋完全运转，第四栋卡在某种奇怪的状态，算是准备好了但又没完全好，也不清楚能不能赚钱。

Sources at Oracle tell me that Stargate Abilene, which was meant to be finished in June and or maybe the beginning of the year or maybe the end of the year, it's really unclear at this point, only has three out of eight buildings fully operational, with a fourth in some sort of strange limbo where it's sort of ready, but not quite, isn't clear if it's generating any money.

你得有钱才能付钱买东西，这钱就叫收入。

And you need money to pay for goods and services, and it's called revenue.

我不确定这些公司是不是真的懂商业，但不管怎样，这也可能是OpenAI省钱的一种方式。

Not sure any of these companies fully understand business, but anyway this could also be a way for OpenAI to save money.

据The Information报道，OpenAI在2026年第一季度花了86亿美元在研发上，也就是模型训练上，这个数字在第二季度可能还会因为推出GPT 5.6 SOL、lunar和cyber这些模型而继续增加。

Per the information, OpenAI spent $8,600,000,000 on research and development, so model training, the first quarter of twenty twenty six, a number that likely increased in Q2 with the launch of its GPT 5.6 SOL lunar and cyber models.

而且所有那些算力还都花在意外入侵Hugging Face上了。

And also all the computer was spending accidentally hacking Hugging Face.

我发誓那简直算重罪了。

I I swear that's like a felony.

对吧？

Right?

感觉我们现在好像真的没什么法律了，我意识到。

Like, just we don't we don't really we don't really have, like, laws anymore, I realize.

但不管怎样，如果Anthropic和OpenAI真的撞上了算力天花板，那几乎没什么办法能加速算力上线，因为每个AI数据中心都相当于把通常分布在十亿甚至几十亿平方英尺的整座城市的电力，硬塞进大约一百万平方英尺的空间里，而且要在两年内建成，同时内存、专业人才、专业材料以及燃气轮机和卡车运输这些乱七八糟东西所需的石油成本还在不断上涨。

But anyway, in any case, if Anthropic and OpenAI have truly hit the limits of compute, there's very little that can accelerate it coming online as every AI data center is the equivalent of cramming an entire city's power usually spread over a billion or billions or more square feet into around a million square feet built in the space of two years with constantly increasing costs around memory, specialist talent, specialist materials and the oil necessary for the gas turbines and the trucks to bring all this shit to the plot of land.

而这一切都发生在收入增长放缓的背景下。

And all of this is happening as revenue growth decelerates.

如果OpenAI和Anthropic不能或不愿训练新模型，那它们实际上就会变成模型包装公司，在Claude或GPT模型之上开发产品，指望能进一步推动收入增长，但这帮不了什么大忙，因为基本上所有在它们模型上做生意的公司都不赚钱，而且月收入勉强能达到9000万美元，就算真能盈利，这点钱连一天的推理成本都覆盖不了，更别说根本赚不到。

If OpenAI and Anthropic can't or won't train new models, that means they'll effectively become model wrapper companies, building products on top of Claude or GPT models in the hopes that they can juice further revenue growth, which is not going to help very much given that basically every company that builds businesses on top of their models is both unprofitable and can barely reach 90,000,000 a month in revenue, which wouldn't even cover a day's worth of inference if it were profitable, which it would not be.

我还要补充一点，如果Anthropic抢在OpenAI之前上市，那OpenAI很可能就没办法上市，或者至少没法搞一个大家真正愿意投资的IPO了。

I'll add that if Anthropic beats OpenAI to IPO, it's unlikely OpenAI will be able to float or at least have anything approaching an IPO that anyone would actually want to invest in.

虽然两家公司都在亏损，而且亏得很惨，但Anthropic在收入上有优势，单位经济也稍微好一点，这就足以让Sam Altman的IPO泡汤了。

While both are unprofitable, horribly so, Anthropic has the revenue advantage and slightly better unit economics, which is all it needs to make Sam Altman's public offering untenable.

我觉得是时候开始认真讨论一下OpenAI可能崩溃的问题了，以及这对谷歌、微软、亚马逊、CoreWeave、Cerebras，当然还有甲骨文，以及所有相关的风险投资公司，特别是Thrive，它在这家公司投了数十亿美元，还有软银，它需要这笔流动性，否则，他们可就惨了。

I think it's time to start having a reasonable discussion about the potential collapse of OpenAI the ramifications for counterparties like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, CoreWeave, Cerebras, and of course Oracle and all associated venture capitalists, in particular Thrive who has billions of dollars tied up in this company, and of course SoftBank which needs that liquidity otherwise, well, they're triple fucked.

如果你是在听这个的记者，你需要开始认真思考并报道这件事了。

If you're a journalist listening to this, you need to start seriously thinking about and writing about this.

因为这家公司目前的状况表明，它几乎没有几条可行的路能避免走向毁灭。

Because the current state of this company suggests that it has few viable paths to avoid perdition.

它筹不到更多钱了。

It can't raise much more money.

它上一轮融资的90%来自英伟达、亚马逊和软银，这三家都不太可能再投一次。

90% of its lost funding round came from NVIDIA, Amazon, and SoftBank, none of which are really gonna do a return trip.

软银真的负担不起了。

SoftBank literally can't afford it.

风险投资家们从来没有在任何一轮OpenAI融资中出过超过120亿美元，即使搞一个“我们是世界”式的募捐晚会，也不足以让这家公司继续膨胀下去。

Venture capitalists have never offered more than $12,000,000,000 of any OpenAI round, and even a we are the world telethon isn't gonna be enough to keep this pig inflated.

这样形容一家公司，真是够恶心的。

What a disgusting way of referring to a company.

算了，继续说，OpenAI 现在真的没什么可行的出路了。

Anyway, continuing, there is not really a viable path for OpenAI here.

我不知道他们会怎么做，但看起来他们可能会倒闭，就像我这周在通讯里写的那样，我会把链接放在节目笔记里。

I don't know what they do, but it's kind of looking like they're going to die as I wrote in my newsletter this week, and I'll put a link to that in the in the notes.

不管怎样，我明天要坐飞机出发。

Either way, I'm off on a flight tomorrow.

这周真是疯狂。

It's a crazy week.

你们很快就会知道为什么了。

You'll know why soon.

都是好事。

It's all good stuff.

我爱你们大家。

I love you all.

谢谢你们的收听。

Thank you for listening.

下周我会和了不起的卡尔·纽波特一起回来。

I'll be back next week with the wonderful Cal Newport.

到时候见。

Catch you then.

如果你的书架和你的推荐页对你来说同样重要，那你来对地方了。

If your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home.

《Pro Society》是一档每周更新的播客，既是读书俱乐部，又是群聊，适合那些认为《傲慢与偏见》和《爱情岛》值得同等讨论的人。

Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse.

每周，我们都会和你喜欢的作家、读书博主一起，把书籍、互联网和流行文化联系起来，带来大量深思熟虑的观点。

Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the Internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions.

对。

Yeah.

我超爱这个。

I'm obsessed.

我完全着迷了。

I'm obsessed.

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客或任何你收听播客的地方，收听Pro Society。

Listen to pro society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

在新播客Solita中，我们分享女性独自旅行时的真实混乱。

On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman.

我可以等四个小时，就为了

I can wait four hours for

下一班公交车，或者这个陌生男人主动提出用他的摩托车载我一程。

the next bus, or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle.

我选了第二个选项。

I chose option b.

我是Julie Pinheiro，我独自旅行，因为那是一个我可以先答应而不用征求别人意见的难得空间。

I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first.

我的使命是重新定义solita这个词，把同情换成无限可能。

I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility.

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的地方，收听《Solita》。

Listen to solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

你听《Hey Jonas》播客的新一集了吗？

Did you hear the new episode of the Hey Jonas podcast?

我们在D23现场，所以

We are at D 23, so

看看谁会来串场。

we'll see who who stops by.

《冰雪奇缘》的演员们来了。

The cast of Frozen stopped by.

克里斯汀·贝尔、乔什·盖德和伊迪娜·门泽尔。

Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Edina Menzel.

我去试镜过《冰雪奇缘》。

I auditioned for Frozen.

什么？

What?

是给克里斯托夫的。

For Kristoff.

他们说，好的。

They said, okay.

你今天打算唱什么？

What are you gonna be singing today?

我说，我不知道。

I said, I don't know.

那肯定是你没被选上的原因。

That must have been why you didn't get it.

哦，你大概不会。

Oh, you probably won't.

另外，还有约翰·斯塔莫斯、星球大战里的海登·克里斯滕森，还有其他人。

Plus, John Stamos, Hayden Christensen from Star Wars, and more.

我想我可以分享这个

And I guess I can share that

不会吧。

No way.

快去iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的平台，收听最新一期的《Hey Jonas》。

Listen to the latest episode of Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

嘿。

Hey.

我是海斯·达文波特。

This is Hayes Davenport.

我是肖恩·克莱门茨。

And Sean Clements.

我们主持的播客叫《好莱坞手册》。

We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook.

每周我们都会和一位娱乐圈人士聊天，试着帮他们发展事业，也看看他们能给我们带来什么。

Each week, we talk to someone in show business and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us.

大家都玩得很开心，而且没人会怪他们的公关让他们来上我们的节目。

Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show.

我们请过很多大牌嘉宾，比如莎拉·谢尔曼、亚当·斯科特、丹尼·麦克布莱德、本·斯蒂勒，还有很多其他大腕，他们能有今天全靠我们。

We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, Adam Scott, Danny McBride, Ben Stiller, and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us.

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或者你收听播客的任何地方，都可以收听《好莱坞手册》。

Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

这是iHeart播客，保证真人制作。

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.