独白：Anthropic 在2025年亏损80亿美元，其业务是否比OpenAI更糟

这是iHeart播客。

This is an iHeart podcast.

保证真人。

Guaranteed human.

我是莱西·莫斯利，作家、演员、单口喜剧演员、创作者，也是《骗子女神》播客的主持人。

I'm Lacey Moseley, author, actor, stand up comedian, creator, and host of scam goddess podcast.

这是一档真实犯罪喜剧播客，内容涉及抢劫、诈骗，

The true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud,

以及那些实施这些行为的人。

and those who practice it.

每周我都会邀请一位很棒的嘉宾。

Each week, I bring on an amazing guest.

哦，我骗了他们。

Oh, I scammed them.

什么？

What?

我可以跟你聊一个小时。

I could talk to you for an hour.

你是个天生的话痨，

You're a generational yapper

跟我一样。

like me.

所以我才把聊天当成工作。

That's why I had to make yapping a job.

现在你可以在YouTube上看到我节目的完整版。

And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube.

开始收听

Start listening to

《骗子女神》在iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客，或者任何你收听播客的地方。

scam goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

《骗子女神》。

The scam goddess.

嗨。

Hi.

我是凯莉·布雷克曼。

This is Kylie Brakeman.

安吉尔·格里托纳。

Angel Gerritona.

杰里米·科尔汉。

Jeremy Colhane.

帕特里克·麦克唐纳。

Patrick McDonald.

我们是《艺术家对艺术家对艺术家对艺术家》播客的主持人。

And we're the hosts hosts of the artists on artists on artists on artist podcast.

这是一档即兴角色喜剧播客，每周都有新的艺术家小组来讨论他们的技艺。

The improvised character comedy podcast where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft.

欢迎加入我们，本期嘉宾是欧洲歌唱大赛的参赛者们。

Join us for a panel of Eurovision participants.

我们有时候也会搞点万圣节的活动。

And we do a little Halloween sometimes.

教皇也会打扮吗？

Does the pope dress up?

他在万圣节会眨眨眼。

He he winks on Halloween.

他会凑到麦克风跟前。

He gets right up next to the microphone.

你可以……

You can...

我听说你几乎能听到他的睫毛碰到一起的声音。

I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other.

你从来没见过意大利那么安静，就是教皇在万圣节站起来眨眼的时候。

You never seen Italy so quiet as when the pope gets up to wink on Halloween.

每周四，在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的地方，收听《艺术家对艺术家对艺术家对艺术家》节目。

Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

丽莎，跟他们说说我们的新节目。

Lisa, tell them about our new show.

我们有个新播客。

We have a new podcast.

名字叫《别骗我》。

It's called Don't Lie to Me.

我是莱克西·伊瓦努。

I'm Lexi Iwanu.

我们是最好的朋友，相差二十二岁，但心贴得很近。

We're two best friends, twenty two years apart, but so close at heart.

我是丽莎·迪朱利奥，年纪大的那个，这意味着我们的笑点完全不同，有时候看法也不一样。

And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions.

到了我这个五十多岁的年纪，什么都经历过了。

And at this point in my fifties, I've lived it all.

我现在三十多岁，作为新鞋品牌的创始人，好品味就是我的事业。

Now in my thirties, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is my business.

可以在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的平台收听。

Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

错过了最新的Roland Martin Unfiltered播客吗？

Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast?

这是你错过的内容。

Here's what you missed.

人们醒来

People wake up

然后说，哦，天哪。

and go, oh, damn.

等等。

Wait.

等一下。

Hold up.

他们把那些全改了吗？

They changed all of that?

是的。

Yes.

这是真的。

It's real.

这是一次全面的攻击。

This is a wholesale attack.

它针对的是每个联邦机构里的黑人。

It is targeting black people in every federal agency.

这很赤裸裸。

It's raw.

白人从来不允许那种清算持续超过十年。

White folks have never allowed that reckoning to last more than a decade.

在黑人信息网络上收听罗兰·马丁的每日评论。

Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the Black Information Network.

并在以下平台下载罗兰·马丁无删减版

And download Roland Martin unfiltered on

在iHeartRadio应用、苹果播客上

the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast

或者任何你收听播客的地方。

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

我是福克斯体育记者

I'm Fox Sports reporter

珍妮·塔夫特。

Jenny Taft.

我是前美国女足国家队队员卡莉·劳埃德。

And I'm former US Women's National soccer team player Carly Lloyd.

在我们的新播客《不惜一切》中，没有什么话题是不能谈的。

And on our new podcast, whatever it takes, nothing is off limits.

我遇到过并不真正热爱比赛的球员。

I played with players that didn't truly love the game.

我是在球在脚下时找到了热爱。

I found the love with the ball at my foot.

在福克斯，不管让我做什么，我都不在乎。

I don't care what I'm being asked to do at Fox.

我会去多练练，享受它，拥抱它。

I'm gonna go get some reps and love it and embrace it.

欢迎收听《Whatever It Takes》，主持人是卡莉·劳埃德和珍妮·塔夫特，你可以在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的平台上找到我们。

Listen to whatever it takes with Carly Lloyd and Jenny Taft on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

里程数会改变你的移动方式，但更重要的是，它们会改变你面对生活的方式。

The miles change how you move, but more importantly, they change how you show up for your life.

我是艾米丽·阿巴迪。

I'm Emily Abadi.

在《与艾米丽·阿巴迪一起跨越障碍》播客中，我会和顶尖运动员、纪录保持者、教练以及日常跑者坐下来聊聊，探讨在困难时刻坚持下去的心态。

On the hurdle with Emily Abadi podcast, I sit down with elite athletes, record holders, coaches, and everyday runners to unpack the mindset behind pushing through when things get tough.

因为你在路上建立的自律、优雅和坚韧，正是这些帮助你在其他场合展现最好的自己。

Because the discipline, grace, and grit you build out there on the pavement, that's what helps you show up as your best self everywhere else.

我就是喜欢说，我从不

I just love to say I never

不知道谁在看。

know who's watching.

所以你得确保自己从头到尾都保持真实，坚持做自己。

So you wanna make sure you you through and through, and you just stay true to who you are.

在iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客或任何你收听播客的地方，收听《Hurdle with Emily Abadi》。

Listen to hurdle with Emily Abadi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

你爱高尔夫吗？

Do you love golf?

如果爱，那你应该听听《Three Putt Bogey》。

If so, you should listen to three putt bogey.

我是《Stuff You Should Know》播客的Chuck Bryant。

I'm Chuck Bryant from the stuff you should know podcast.

我是Adam Pranika，来自几个有点尴尬的《星际迷航》播客。

And I'm Adam Pranika from a couple of embarrassing hit Star Trek podcasts.

每周在《Three Putt Bogey》里，我们会深入沙坑，探究这项世界上最美的运动为何如此迷人又让人抓狂。

And each week on three putt bogey, we're gonna get into the bunker and get to the bottom of what is just so alluring and frustrating about the most beautiful game in the world.

所以无论你是在练习场上挥杆自如，但一到发球台就紧张得不行的人，

So whether you're someone who pipes it on the driving range, but freezes up on the tee box

还是在关键时刻错过那三英尺推杆的人，

Or misses that three foot putt when everything's on the line.

我们都会在《三推柏忌》里陪你一起笑对这一切。这是一档关于两个差点中等的球友、一记好球、以及毁掉一切的三推的播客。

We're there to laugh about it with you on three Putt Bogey, a podcast about two mid handicappers, one great shot, and the three putt that spoils it all.

你现在就可以在iHeartRadio应用、Apple播客或任何你收听播客的地方收听。

You can listen to it now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

呼叫区域媒体。

Call zone media.

你好，欢迎收听本周的《Better Offline》。

Hello, and welcome to this week's Better Offline.

我是主持人Zitron。

I'm your host at Zitron.

《Better Offline》。

Better offline.

这周我差点就休一周假了，Robert和Sophie都非常支持。

Now I very nearly took a week off this week, which Robert and Sophie were extremely supportive of.

但我说要休假一个小时后，Anthropic的一份文件就泄露给了路透社，显示公司去年年底的财务状况非常糟糕。

But an hour after I said I was going to Anthropic s one leaked to Reuters showing the shocking financial condition of the company as of the end of last year.

所以这周，你会听到两集短节目，或者可能就这一集。

So this week, you're getting a pair of shorter episodes or maybe just this one.

看情况吧。

We'll see what happens.

这几个月、这几年都挺漫长的，说实话，我真的可能需要休息一周。

It's been a long few months, years and quite frankly, quite frankly I might need a week.

不过不管怎样，你可能会听到一集短的。

But nevertheless maybe you get a short one.

总之，2025年Anthropic亏损超过80亿美元，收入46亿美元。

Anyway, in 2025 Anthropic lost over $8,000,000,000 and $4,600,000,000 in revenue.

2025年收入的25%来自两个客户，估计是Cursor和GitHub Copilot，或者Cursor和Meta，我也不太确定。

25% of its 2025 revenue came from two customers estimate are either Cursor and GitHub Copilot or Cursor and Meta, I don't actually know.

我觉得现在应该是Meta和Cursor。

I think it's now Meta and Cursor.

它今年的计算成本是73.3亿美元。

And its compute cost was $7,330,000,000 for the year.

严格来说它的净亏损是420亿美元，但那是跟可转换债券相关的股票变动，不是现金亏损。

It technically had a net loss of $42,000,000,000 but that was stock related with convertible notes that turned into stock and was not a cash loss.

这个我就不多说了，跟我没什么关系。

I'm not going to hammer on that one, it's not relevant to me.

路透社没有报道Anthropic 2026年的数据，虽然理论上它的经济状况在过去三个季度可能有所改善，但有理由相信情况变得更糟了，比如它竟然用调整后利润率来假装2026年第三季度盈利。

Now Reuters did not report on Anthropic's 2026 numbers and while in theory its economic could have improved in the last three quarters, there are reasons to believe that things have gotten much worse, such as the fact that it has resorted to using adjusted margins as a means of faking a profit in Q3 twenty twenty six.

很多人说，我们看到头条说Anthropic这个季度盈利了，或者说他们的经济状况改善了。

And a lot of people are saying, well we have seen headlines that say Anthropic is profitable in this particular quarter or that their economics have improved.

这个我待会儿再说。

I'll get to that later.

所以回到数字上来。

So back to the numbers.

2025年，Anthropic花了126.5亿美元运营成本，却只赚了46亿美元收入，也就是说，花2.75美元才能赚1美元。这简直令人震惊，意味着2025年Anthropic的生意比OpenAI还差。根据我独家报道的OpenAI审计财报，它花了340亿美元才赚了130.7亿美元，差不多是花2.6美元赚1美元。

In 2025 Anthropic spent $12,650,000,000 in operating expenses to make $4,600,000,000 of revenue, otherwise known as spending $2.75 to make $1 This, shockingly, means that Anthropic was a worse business than OpenAI in 2025 when it spent $34,000,000,000 to make $13,070,000,000 per my own exclusive reporting of its audited financials or about $2.60 to make a buck.

虽然2026年情况可能会变，但重要的是，有多少人曾说过Anthropic是更好的公司，会比OpenAI更快盈利。在我们能看到两家公司2026年审计财报之前，这种说法不是神话就是彻头彻尾的谎言。

While things could change in 2026, it's important to note how many people said that Anthropic was a better business that would be profitable faster than OpenAI, which is, until we were able to see both of their audited 2026 financials somewhere between a myth and an outright lie.

很多人跟我说Anthropic更赚钱。

So many people told me that Anthropic was more profitable.

很多人向我保证，这家公司已经把一切都搞定了，但实际上，Dario Amodei那个糟糕的公司的肥胖程度和Altman的一样，都是一堆腐烂、不赚钱的垃圾，他们俩都应该为此感到羞耻。

So many people assured me that this is the company that worked it all out, when in fact Dario Amade's horrid son was just as obese as Altman's, a rotten, unprofitable pile of shit that should make them both ashamed of themselves.

现在，那些吹捧者已经开始给自己灌安慰剂了，气急败坏地嚷嚷着2026年会更好，还说Anthropic今年其实更赚钱。

Now boosters are already boiling their copium kegs, angrily oinking that 2026 will be better and that Anthropic had been more profitable this year.

到现在，我对任何没经过审计的东西都毫无兴趣，因为很明显，无论是误导投资者还是媒体，或者只是说些毫无意义的年化运行率，Anthropic都在故意掩盖其经济状况的惨状。

At this point I have less than zero interest in anything that hasn't gone through an auditor because it's very clear that, through either misinforming investors or the media, or well just saying annualized run rates that don't really mean anything, Anthropic has intentionally obfuscated the full horrors of its economics.

也许2026年会更好，但目前的证据表明，Anthropic的经济状况在过去两年里一直在恶化，而且至少在2025年，它的业务比OpenAI的还要糟糕，不管你从媒体上看到什么。

And perhaps 2026 will be better, but right now the evidence is that Anthropic's economics have decayed for the last two years and its business was, at least in 2025, somehow more toxic than OpenAI's, regardless of what you may have read in the press.

如果情况有所改善，那意味着这家公司发生了根本性的转变，但OpenAI似乎完全没有出现这种转变，尽管两家公司做的是同样的生意，卖的是同样的东西。

If things have improved it would have required a fundamental turnaround of a business in a way that does not appear to have happened in any way shape or form for OpenAI, despite both companies being in the same business and selling the very same thing.

我能想到的唯一区别就是，Anthropic的基础设施更依赖TPU和Tranium Inferentia网络服务，不过我们迟早会知道的，我猜。

The only difference I can imagine is that Anthropic's infrastructure is more TPU and Tranium Inferentia web services heavier, and we'll find out, I guess.

我还想说，也许是因为他们没有免费用户，但即便如此，这也说不太通。

I'll also say perhaps it's that they don't have the free customers, but even that doesn't really gel.

如果这家公司的财务状况真的改善了——我愿意相信，毕竟头条新闻都出来了——那就意味着他们从亏损巨额资金……

If this company's economics have improved, which I'm open to believing, the the headlines have been out there, it will mean they've gone from losing astonishing amount of money...

抱歉，是亏损巨额资金，到基本上把所有成本压缩到0.5以内。

Sorry, astonishing amounts of money even, to basically narrowing all of their costs within 0.5.

怎么做到的？

How?

真的，怎么做到的？

Genuinely how?

因为看起来这家公司在2025年并不怎么景气。

Because it doesn't look like this company was doing very well in 2025.

但我要说，如果你有Anthropic完整的S1文件，我恳请你把它带给我。

But I will say if you have Anthropic's full S1 I implore you bring it to me.

我的信号是ezitron。

My signal is ezitron.

76。

76.

我会保护你的身份。

I will protect your identity.

我会认真对待这份文件。

I will do this document justice.

是时候彻底看清这家公司的真实面貌了。

It's time we had complete clarity into what this business truly looks like.

我们不应该等到十一月。

We should not be made to wait until November.

我们现在就应该看到，这样投资者和任何经济合作方都能完全了解Anthropic的状况。

We should see it now so that investors and any economic counterparty may fully understand the state of Anthropic.

无论如何，这些数字和我一直以来的预期一样糟糕，甚至更糟一点。

In any case, these numbers are as bad as I have always thought they would be, if not a little worse.

我看不出这家公司怎么能承担得起那5180亿美元的算力承诺，也看不出它怎么能神奇地从经济上的化粪池里爬出来。

I don't see how this company becomes one that can afford its $518,000,000,000 in compute commitment, nor do I see how it magically works its way out of the economic equivalent of a septic tank.

如果这家公司上市的话，它很可能会依赖那种垃圾级或高收益债务，就像AI数据中心和CoreWeave这样的新云公司现在需要的那样，而且每年要借500亿到1000亿美元，可这家公司资产寥寥，亏损不断，CEO还笨拙得像头醉象。

This company will, if allowed to go public, likely lean on the very same junk grade or high yield debt that AI datacenters and Neo clouds like CoreWeave currently need, and it will do so at volumes of somewhere between $50,000,000,000 and $100,000,000,000 a year for a company with few assets, endless losses, and a CEO with the grace of a drunk elephant.

Anthropic不是技术的未来，也不是下一个谷歌，更不是下一个微软，也不是像路透社说的那样，能比工业化、电力、互联网更深刻地改变全球经济。

Anthropic is not the future of technology, nor is it the next Google, nor is it the next Microsoft, nor is it, to quote Reuters, capable of transforming the global economy more profoundly than industrialization, electricity, the Internet.

Anthropic只是一家云软件公司，产品和经济状况都不稳定，销售方式根本不真诚，充满欺骗，还靠那些激进的狂热分子和不知羞耻的媒体用死亡和毁灭的威胁来强推给社会。

Anthropic is a cloud software company with volatile products and economics, sold in a fundamentally insincere and deceptive manner, pushed upon society with threats of death and destruction by aggressive zealots and members of the media bereft of shame.

它的文化从根本上就不健康，就像过去几年里它培养出来的粉丝文化一样。

Its culture is fundamentally unhealthy, as is the culture of the fandom and has curated over the last few years.

Dario Amade是个善于操纵、欺骗的人，受一群叫理性主义者的邪教分子影响，而Anthropic的CFO Krishna Rao应该为自己让那种单月年化收入的故事传出去而感到羞耻。

Dario Amade is a manipulative and deceptive person influenced by a cadre of cultists called the Rationalists, and Anthropic CFO Krishna Rao should feel ashamed of himself for allowing a single run rate story to go out.

我在Insane Analysis的通讯里读到，Anthropic那650亿美元的年化收入，似乎是把它7月31日的收入（大约1.78亿美元）乘以365算出来的。

I read in a newsletter by Insane Analysis that apparently Anthropic's $65,000,000,000 annualized run rate was calculated by multiplying its July 31 revenue (about $178,000,000 by three sixty five.

如果真是这样，那听起来像是投资者之间传出来的谣言，而不是Anthropic自己说的。但我要说，如果这是真的，而且彭博社那个650亿美元的故事就是这么来的，那所有人都该为自己感到羞耻。

If that's the case, it sounds like a myth that got started with investors rather than Anthropic, but I'll just say if that's true and that's how, say, Bloomberg's 65,000,000,000 story got out there, everyone should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

你们都失职了。

You all failed at your jobs.

而且，这事得有人进监狱，因为我觉得我们早就过了那种“哎呀，凭感觉”的阶段，现在不只是说说感受，而是在主动操纵市场了。

And also, someone needs to go to jail for this because I think that at some point, we have left the era of, oh, oh, it's vibes, and we're just saying what we're feeling into the realm of actively manipulating markets.

而且，你没法理性地论证OpenAI和Anthropic的经济模式真的讲得通。

And it's impossible to rationally argue that the economics of OpenAI and Anthropic make any real sense.

说这就像优步，或者像亚马逊云服务，或者像互联网泡沫，那都是在把头埋进沙子里，或者某种程度上，就是不想了解这个世界。

To claim that this is just like Uber or just like Amazon Web Services or just like the .com bubble is to bury one's head in the sand or, on some level, want to know less about the world.

这事很严重，很危险，不能把它当成常规操作。

This is serious, dangerous, and should not be seen as business as usual.

我们必须把OpenAI和Anthropic看作它们本来的样子。

We must treat OpenAI and Anthropic as what they are.

那就是即将发生的经济灾难。

Economic disasters waiting to happen.

如果不这么做，那就是直接把危险引到每个投资者的家门口，让他们以为自己是在资助下一次工业革命。

To do anything less is to directly invite danger to the door of every investor that's allowed to believe that they're funding the next industrial revolution.

我会如实报告我看到的任何数字。

I will report whatever numbers come across my plate.

我会把我掌握的一切都告诉你。

I will give you everything I have.

我建议你去读一下这周的免费通讯《死钱》。

I encourage you to read this week's free newsletter Dead Money.

它深入探讨了债务市场的现状，以及当资金枯竭时，AI泡沫会如何破裂。

It goes in-depth into the current state of the debt markets and how well the AI bubble bursts when the money runs out.

我可能会回来做一期独白。

I might be back with a monologue.

周五可能不会。

I might not on Friday.

如果是那样的话，你会看到一期《酷区媒体》的回顾。

You'll find out it'll be a Cool Zone Media rewind if so.

我会尽量出一期，因为我相信那期间肯定会有一些新闻。

I'm gonna try and get one out there because I'm sure that there's gonna be some news between there.

你们一直给我发这些精彩的邮件和精彩的信号消息，我只想说，我爱你们所有人。

All of you keep sending me these wonderful emails and wonderful signal messages, and I just wanna say I love you all.

你们是我能想到的最好的粉丝。

You are the best fans I could possibly ask for.

从现在开始，事情会加速发展。

Things are going to accelerate from here.

接下来会有很多轮‘这好吗’的情况。

There's gonna be a lot of rounds of is that good to come.

是的，我会在这里告诉你们发生了什么。

And, yeah, I'll be here to tell you what's happening.

Zitron 结束。

Zitron out.

我是 Lacey Mosley，作家、演员、单口喜剧演员、创作者，也是 Scam Goddess 播客的主持人。

I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand up comedian, creator, and host of scam goddess podcast.

这个真实犯罪喜剧播客，讲的都是抢劫、欺诈，

The true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud,

以及那些干这行的人。

and those who practice it.

每周我都会请来一位很棒的嘉宾。

Each week, I bring on an amazing guest.

哦，我骗了他们。

Oh, I scammed them.

什么？

What?

我能跟你聊上一个小时。

I could talk to you for an hour.

你是个天生的话痨，

You're a generational yapper

跟我一样。

like me.

所以我才把闲聊变成了工作。

That's why I had to make yapping a job.

现在你可以在YouTube上观看我节目的完整剧集了。

And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube.

开始收听《骗子女神》，在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcast或者任何你收听播客的地方都可以。

Start listening to scam goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

女神。

The goddess.

嗨。

Hi.

我是凯莉·布雷克曼。

This is Kylie Brakeman.

安吉拉·格里托纳。

Angela Gerritona.

杰里米·科尔汉。

Jeremy Colhane.

帕特里克·麦克唐纳。

Patrick McDonald.

我们是《艺术家对艺术家对艺术家对艺术家》播客的主持人。

And we're the hosts of the artists on artists on artists on artist podcast.

这是一档即兴角色喜剧播客，每周都有新的艺术家小组来讨论他们的技艺。

The improvised character comedy podcast where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft.

加入我们，一起和欧洲歌唱大赛的参赛者们聊聊。

Join us for a panel of Eurovision participants.

我们还会偶尔

And we do a

搞点万圣节的小节目。

little Halloween sometimes.

教皇会打扮吗？

Does the pope dress up?

他在万圣节会眨眨眼。

He he winks on Halloween.

他会凑到麦克风跟前。

He gets right up next to the microphone.

你可以……

You can...

我听说你几乎能听到睫毛在互相讨厌。

I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hate each other.

你从没见过意大利这么安静，就像万圣节教皇起来眨眼时那样。

You never seen Italy so quiet as when the pope gets up to wink on Halloween.

每周四在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的地方，收听《艺术家对艺术家对艺术家对艺术家》。

Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

丽莎，跟他们说说我们的新节目。

Lisa, tell them about our new show.

我们有个新播客。

We have a new podcast.

名字叫《别骗我》。

It's called Don't Lie to Me.

我是莱克西·伊瓦努。

I'm Lexi Iwanu.

我们是最好的朋友，虽然相差二十二岁，但心贴得很近。

We're two best friends, twenty two years apart, but so close at heart.

我是丽莎·迪朱利奥，年纪大的那个，这意味着我们的成长背景完全不同，偶尔意见也会不一样。

And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions.

到了我这个五十多岁的年纪，什么都经历过了。

And at this point in my fifties, I've lived it all.

而我现在三十多岁，作为新鞋品牌的创始人，好品味就是我的事业。

Now in my thirties, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is my business.

在iHeartRadio应用、苹果播客或任何你收听播客的地方收听。

Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

错过了罗兰·马丁最新的无滤镜播客？

Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast?

这是你错过的内容。

Here's what you missed.

不应该有任何执法机构不配备随身摄像头。

There should not be a single law enforcement agency that does not have body cameras.

这是真的。

It's real.

黑人农民一直受到攻击。

Black farmers have been under attack.

这只是他们随便把DEI贴在任何东西上的最新例子。

This is just the latest example of them just slapping DEI on anything.

这很直接。

It's raw.

我坐在这里想，他们是在把你们当傻子耍。

And I'm sitting here going, they are playing y'all for fools.

在黑人信息网络上收听罗兰·马丁的每日评论。

Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the Black Information Network.

并在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts上下载Roland Martin Unfiltered。

And download Roland Martin unfiltered on

iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts

the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts

或者在你收听播客的任何地方。

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

我是福克斯体育记者珍妮·塔夫特。

I'm Fox Sports reporter Jenny Taft.

我是前美国女足国家队队员卡莉·劳埃德。

And I'm former US Women's National Soccer team player Carly Lloyd.

在我们的新播客《不惜一切》中，没有什么话题是不能谈的。

And on our new podcast, whatever it takes, nothing is off limits.

我遇到过一些并不是真正热爱足球的队友。

I played with players that didn't truly love the game.

我是在球在脚下的时候找到了热爱。

I found the love with the ball at my foot.

在福克斯，不管让我做什么，我都不在乎。

I don't care what I'm being asked to do at Fox.

我都会去练习，去热爱，去拥抱它。

I'm gonna go get some reps and love it and embrace it.

请在 iHeartRadio 应用、Apple Podcasts 或任何你收听播客的地方，收听《Whatever It Takes》，主持人卡莉·劳埃德和珍妮·塔夫特。

Listen to whatever it takes with Carly Lloyd and Jenny Taft on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

里程会改变你的行动方式，但更重要的是，它们会改变你面对生活的态度。

The miles change how you move, but more importantly, they change how you show up for your life.

我是艾米丽·阿巴迪。

I'm Emily Abadi.

在《The Hurdle with Emily Abadi》播客中，我会和顶尖运动员、纪录保持者、教练以及普通跑者坐下来，一起探讨在困难时刻坚持下去的心态。

On the hurdle with Emily Abadi podcast, I sit down with elite athletes, record holders, coaches, and everyday runners to unpack the mindset behind pushing through when things get tough.

因为你在跑道上练就的自律、优雅和坚韧，正是让你在其他地方展现最好自己的关键。

Because the discipline, grace, and grit you build out there on the pavement, that's what helps you show up as your best self everywhere else.

我就是喜欢说，我永远

I just love to say I never

不知道谁在看。

know who's watching.

所以你要确保自己从头到尾都做自己，并且始终忠于自己的本色。

So you wanna make sure you you through and through, and you just stay true to who you are.

欢迎收听《与艾米丽·阿巴迪一起跨越障碍》，可在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或任何你收听播客的平台找到。

Listen to hurdle with Emily Abadi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

你喜欢高尔夫吗？

Do you love golf?

如果喜欢，那你应该听听《三推柏忌》。

If so, you should listen to three putt bogey.

我是查克·布莱恩特，来自《你知道吗》播客。

I'm Chuck Bryant from the stuff you should know podcast.

我是亚当·普拉尼卡，来自几个有点尴尬的《星际迷航》热门播客。

And I'm Adam Pranica from a couple of embarrassing hit Star Trek podcasts.

每周在《三推柏忌》里，我们都会深入探讨，弄清楚这项世界上最美的运动为何如此迷人又让人抓狂。

And each week on three putt bogey, we're gonna get into the bunker and get to the bottom of what is just so alluring and frustrating about the most beautiful game in the world.

所以，无论你是在练习场挥杆自如，却在发球台上紧张得不行，

So whether you're someone who pipes it on the driving range but freezes up on the tee box

还是关键时刻三推失误，错失良机。

Or misses that three putt putt when everything's on the line.

不管你是想和我们一起在《三推柏忌》里笑一笑，这个播客讲的是两个差点中等的球友、一记好球，还有毁掉一切的三推。

Whether to laugh about it with you on three putt bogey, a podcast about two mid handicappers, one great shot, and the three putt that spoils it all.

你现在就可以在iHeartRadio应用、Apple Podcasts或者任何你收听播客的地方收听。

You can listen to it now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

这是iHeart播客。

This is an iHeart podcast.

保证真人。

Guaranteed human.