蒂姆·库克卸任——与乔安娜·斯特恩一同

大家好。

Hey everyone.

有个大新闻要公布。

Well big breaking news.

今天我们请来了乔安娜·斯特恩，她是《The New Things》的主持人，也是《I Am New, I Am Not a Robot》的作者，我现在就当着她的面把这个消息告诉她。

We're here with Joanna Stern of the new things and the author of I Am New I Am Not a Robot and I'm gonna break this news to her right here on camera.

是的。

Yeah.

乔安娜，蒂姆·库克已经辞去苹果CEO一职，从9月1日起，约翰·特努斯将接任。

Joanna Tim Cook has stepped down as the CEO of Apple and John Ternus is going to replace him as of September 1.

天啊。

Wow.

我们录节目时完全不知道这事，本来那期节目会很快在《大科技》播出来，但我们现在就直接发出来，算是一期紧急特辑了。

So I had no idea this this happened as we were recording an episode that episode will come on big technology podcast pretty soon but we're just gonna get this out here now and this will be a bit of an emergency show.

我们只有十五分钟了。

So we have fifteen minutes.

你觉得这个消息有多重要？

What do you think about the significance of the news?

哇哇哇，我现在都不敢看手机了。

Wow wow wow I'm like scared to go look at my phone right now.

不是说人选让人意外，而是这时间点太突然了。

Not I mean shocking in terms of timing.

人选和这件事本身，其实我们早有预料。

Not shocking in terms of the choice and that it's happening.

我们还以为这事会再拖一阵子呢。

I think we just kind of thought this is gonna be pushed down the road a little bit.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

至于时间，我本来以为今年就会发生。

The timing I thought it was gonna happen this year.

对啊。

Yeah.

这显然把苹果推入了一个全新的未知领域。

It it obviously puts Apple into this sort of uncharted territory.

对。

Yeah.

你本来可以把蒂姆·库克看作是乔布斯的延续。

You could have seen Tim Cook as an extension of Steve Jobs.

特恩斯还很年轻。

Ternus is pretty young.

所以这绝对是苹果一个全新的时代，我也想知道你怎么看。

So it's definitely going to be a brand new era for Apple and I also am curious what you think about this.

他是硬件工程的高级副总裁。

He's the senior vice president of hardware engineering.

是的。

Yeah.

在这个AI将发挥巨大作用的时代。

In an age where AI is gonna really factor a lot.

我很好奇，让一个搞硬件工程的人来掌管苹果，真的合适吗？

I'm curious if someone running hardware engineering is the right choice for Apple.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

说真的，苹果以前根本不是搞运营的公司，但自从库克接手后，它就彻底变成一家运营导向的企业了，这挺有意思的。

I mean it's it will be very interesting to see how a company that has none has recently become an operation and not recently since Cook took over is really an operations company.

对吧？

Right?

他接班乔布斯之后，就是这么带公司的。

That's how he steered the company post jobs.

他把硬件和软件那边的事儿全交给了手下。

And he left all of the other hardware and the software stuff to his deputies.

对吧？

Right?

他给那些位置都安排了很靠谱的人，虽然有时候也没那么顶尖，换人换得还挺勤的。

He put great people into those positions, sometimes not as great people as we've seen a lot of turnover.

现在情况又倒过来了。

And now it kind of flips back.

又回到一个对硬件、设计、实际产品特别感兴趣的人手里，我觉得这对苹果来说肯定是好事，毕竟它是世界上做最棒科技产品的公司。

It goes back to someone who's very interested in the hardware, the design, the actual products, which, you know, can only I think be great for Apple as the company that makes the best tech out there.

但真正关键的问题是，库克在服务、供应链，还有其他那些方面到底干得怎么样。

The question becoming though what Cook did on services, what he did on the supply chain, what he did in all of these other things is the really big question.

这是蒂姆过去十五年写给用户的一封公开信。

Here's a letter community letter from Tim for the past fifteen years.

我每天早上都是这么开始的：打开邮箱，读前一天来自全球苹果用户的留言。

I've started about every morning the same way I open my email and I read notes I received the day before from Apple's users all over the world.

你们跟我分享生活的点滴，告诉我苹果如何影响了你们——比如妈妈的Apple Watch救了她一命，比如你在几乎不可能登顶的山峰上拍到了完美的自拍，你们感谢Mac让工作变得不一样，有时候也会抱怨某个你们在乎的功能怎么又出问题了。

You shared little pieces of your lives with me and tell me things you want me to know about how Apple has touched you, the moment your mom was saved by her Apple Watch, about the perfect selfie you captured at the summit of a mountain that seems impossible to climb, you thank me for the ways Mac has changed, What you can do at work and sometimes give me a hard time because something you care about isn't working like it should.

我觉得，这封信的开头，明显是他辞职信的开头，那段话其实特别精准地抓住了库克最厉害的地方。

I mean I think that like that that beginning of this is obviously his resignation note that beginning of the note really sort of captures what Cook has been so good about.

对。

Right.

擅长这个。

Good at.

让他接班后最让人意外的是，他延续了苹果的故事。

And what has sort of been surprising about his ability post jobs is that he carried the Apple narrative.

没错。

Right.

我觉得，一个从运营背景出身的人，接替像乔布斯这样以讲故事见长的领袖，

I think that someone coming from operations moving taking over leadership from someone like jobs who was all about the story.

库克刚上任时，大家最不确定的就是：这人能把苹果的故事继续讲下去吗？

The real unclear thing at the beginning of Cook's tenure was just like can this guy keep the story going.

但他做到了。

And he did.

他真的做到了。

He did.

他确实做到了。

He really did.

而且说实话，咱们得看看特恩斯能不能继续把这故事讲下去，不过我觉得这事咱们真该跟库克聊聊。

And that's sort of I mean I you know we'll see if Ternus is able to keep it through keep that going but I think that's just something we should talk about with Cook.

他最大的成就之一，就是让苹果的故事一直延续了下来——不管是跟FBI打隐私官司，还是在苹果这种公司面临的复杂政治环境中左右逢源，不管好赖吧，确实有人批评他太偏向中国，也有人吐槽他去白宫拿金条，但故事他确实没断。

It's gonna be one of his biggest legacies is he kept Apple whether it was through his showdown with the FBI around privacy the navigating like the tough political waters that a company like Apple does for better or worse right because certainly there's criticism of how much he over indexed on China and you know many about the gold bar in the Oval Office But he kept the story.

这事儿很难，我觉得以后这也是个大挑战。

That's tough and that'll be the challenge I think moving forward.

而且说实话，他真的很棒。

And look he was great.

我看看他之后推出的产品。

I look at the products that came post him.

我是说，乔布斯走之后的产品。

I mean post Jobs.

咱们刚才不就聊了AirPods吗？

I mean there's we just we talked about AirPods.

还有Apple Watch。

We talk about Apple Watch.

我们一直在说，但我觉得人们对硅芯片的投资重视得不够——你现在笔记本里用的那颗M芯片，那可是个巨大的转折。

We talk about I I mean, I don't think enough credit goes to the investment in silicon and, you know, whatever m chip you have in your laptop right now was a massive shift.

他们现在能在笔记本和计算领域做到这种程度，全靠自己掌控整个软硬件栈，这完全是库克的功劳。

I mean, like, what they're now able to do in laptops and computing because they own that full stack, that's a Cook thing.

这步棋是库克下的，彻底改变了整个电脑行业，也迫使其他电脑公司重新思考垂直整合该怎么做。

That was a Cook move and like truly changed the computing industry but also was like fundamentally changed how that vertical integration has had to happen for other computer companies.

好的，你继续读吧，我不打断。

Yep I'll keep reading if that's all right.

接下来几个月，我会逐步过渡到新角色。

Yeah Over the coming months I will be transitioning into my new role.

他将在九月卸任CEO，转任苹果执行董事长，开启人生的新阶段。

He's taking the next step of his journey in at Apple leaving my CEO job behind in September and becoming Apple's executive chairman.

接下来会有人接替我，而我知道，这绝对是世界上最好的职位。

A new person will be stepping into what I know in my heart is the best job in the world.

这个人就是约翰·特努斯，一位天才工程师和思想家，过去二十五年里，他一手打造了用户如此钟爱的苹果产品，对每一个细节都精益求精，一心想着怎么把东西做得更好、更大胆、更美、更有意义——他就是这个职位最完美的人选。

That leader is John Ternus, a brilliant engineer and thinker who has spent the past twenty five years building the Apple products that users love so much obsessed with every detail focus on every possible way we can make something better bolder more beautiful more meaningful he's the perfect person for this job.

让我提个对蒂姆·库克领导下苹果的批评吧，我想知道他们有没有吸取这个教训：他们是不是太执着于每一个细节，总想着怎么把东西做得更好、更完美？

Can I let me just share a piece of criticism of Tim's Tim Cook's Apple and and I'm curious if the lesson has been learned and that is that like they have been so obsessed with every detail focus on everything every possible way to make something better?

对吧？

Right?

把手机做得更薄、电池更耐用，结果被人批评说，这么一搞，反而错过了下一个趋势。

Thinning it down a little bit more battery life and the criticism has been that by doing that by making the iPhone thinner and last a little longer they've missed like what the next trend will be.

他们对元宇宙试水了一下，搞了个Vision Pro，但没成；AI方面也是一路磕磕绊绊。

They took a half hearted swing at the metaverse with Vision Pro that didn't work out and their AI story has obviously been bumpy.

这话有道理吗？

Any merit to that?

我觉得确实有点道理，但你看看市场，每过几年，iPhone的销量反而比往年还高。

I think merit to that but like you watch the markets they every couple years sell more iPhones than they've sold in years past.

这招是管用的。

This strategy worked.

这策略到底对不对，其实一直有个问题：苹果到底是谁的苹果？它到底想干什么？

This was whether we want I I think there's always the question of who is Apple for or who are these Apple what does Apple do?

关键在于，他们的技术到底是为谁做的，决策又是为了谁？

It's really who does the their tech for, right, and their decisions for.

是为了真正使用这些产品的消费者，还是为了华尔街，好让我们能不断推出新产品、新产品、再新产品？

Is it for the consumers who wanna use this stuff, or is it for Wall Street so we can always have another product and another product and another product?

你看啊。

Look.

你总能找到两个人说同样的话。

I think you can find two people to say the same.

你也能找到人说这两方面都对。

You can find people that say this the both.

对吧？

Right?

过去几年里，他们确实推出了一些很棒的产品。

Like, they came out with some great products in the last number of years.

聊聊他们的M系列芯片吧。

Talk about the m chips.

再说，Mac确实是目前最好的笔记本电脑。

Like, again, Macs are the best laptops you can use.

没错，这确实帮着卖出了更多笔记本。

And yes, it helped sell more laptops.

这事儿也让苹果在这一块赚了更多钱，你懂的。

It helped, you know, Apple make more money on that part of the business.

iPhone也是同样的道理。

Same goes for iPhones.

每年我们都能看到一款新iPhone，对吧？

Every, you know, every year we get a new iPhone.

我们真需要每年换一部新iPhone吗？

Do we need a new iPhone every year?

不需要。

No.

但对某些人来说，他们换了个更好的手机，而华尔街又多了一个升级周期。

But for some people, they get a better phone and Wall Street gets another upgrade cycle.

所以你看这两方面。

So you look at both of these things.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得库克大概是折中了。

And Cook I think fell in the middle somewhere.

对吧？

Right?

跟乔布斯比，库克显然更看重华尔街、看重财报这些事，但同时他也一直推出不少很棒的产品。

Like far more than jobs was leaning probably towards ever thinking about Wall Street and thinking about the earnings and all of that but also he's kept up with some really great products.

没错，市场反应如何还得等等看。

Yeah it's an end the market reaction and we'll have to see.

我们这周二发出来。

We'll publish this Tuesday.

我们周一录的，正好新闻刚出来。

We're recording Monday just as the news breaks.

盘后交易挺有意思的。

The after hours trading is pretty interesting.

怎么回事？

What is it?

股价跌了一下，马上又弹回来，接着又跌了回去。

The stock dropped down bounced right back up and then back down again.

我们现在说话的时候，股价就跌了2.25美元，还不到1%。

So right now as we talk it's just down $2.25 so down less than a percent.

是啊，我觉得大家早有心理准备。

Yeah I think I look I think people were primed for this.

但我真没想到会选在这个时候。

I think I'm shocked at the timing.

我以为他们会等到九月之后，不过既然我们知道九月前后有一堆新品要发布，倒也不算太意外。

I thought they'd wait till after September But given that we know there's so many products in the pipeline around September, I guess it's not super shocking.

话说回来，特鲁斯最近一直在上媒体做宣传。

Look, Ternus has been doing media tours.

他最近可没少露面。

He's been out there.

你见过他吗？

Have you ever met him?

我没见过。

I haven't.

是啊。

Yeah.

你见过他吗？

Have you met him?

见过。

Yeah.

对啊。

Yeah.

那你聊聊这个人吧。

Talk a little bit about about this guy then.

你瞧。

Look.

他特别细心。

He he's very thoughtful.

他明显特别喜欢聊硬件和产品。

He clearly loves talking about hardware and talking about the products.

不管是Neo还是iPhone，他都特别在意产品的每一个细节。

You know, whether it's the Neo or an iPhone, he's he's very invested in in the details around the products.

而且我觉得，他也有种营销的天赋，就像所有苹果高管一样，满脑子想的都是用户能获得什么，产品有多棒。

But also I think has a marketing bent to him similar to, know, all any any Apple executive who is clearly focused on just talking about what users, what what the customer gets and how good it is.

不过呢，他其实挺低调的，就是那种特别酷的家伙。

But yeah, I mean he's you know he's he's a little bit understated, very just kinda cool guy I would say.

我觉得，他给苹果带来了一种很不一样的形象。

Like it's a also a different face for Apple I think in in a really interesting way.

年轻。

Young.

还挺年轻的。

Young.

他51岁了。

He's 51 years old.

是啊。

Yep.

差不多五十出头吧。

Or about fifth yeah.

五十？

50?

五十一？

51?

对。

Yeah.

不是。

No.

我觉得苹果的面貌这次真的不一样了。

I think it's a very different face for Apple.

他接下来好多年都会是领头人。

So he's gonna be the be the leader for next bunch of years.

八九不离十。

Most likely.

董事会挺喜欢他的。

The board likes him.

没错。

Yes.

挺有意思的是，这事儿居然悄悄漏出来了。

It is interesting how it kinda leaked.

大家一开始都猜是他？

It's like the one Oh, that it was him?

其实早就有风声说会是他，但苹果一直否认。

That it was gonna be him for a while and Apple tried to deny it.

但库克最近有个挺有意思的变化，就是苹果现在 leaks 得厉害。

But the one thing that's been interesting under Cook recently is that Apple's been very leaky.

以前是那种压根不漏消息的公司，现在倒好，你基本能猜到下一波要出啥。我很好奇，你觉得这是不是说明内部对库克有不满？还是说公司太大太老了，根本管不住消息，就变成一家再普通不过的大公司了？

Mean, went from a company that never leaked to like a company where like you kind of knew what was coming all the I'm curious do you think that signals like some internal like discontent around Coke or did it just become too old and big to contain the leaks and it became more of like a normal company?

不过苹果的保密文化其实还在，你去跟一些员工聊，那种氛围依然根深蒂固。

Well, it's it's still very the secrecy of Apple and when you speak to certain employees, it's still very ingrained.

对某些人来说，这已经刻进骨子里了。

It's very ingrained in some of them.

作为记者，你有没有过这种经历？我有时候在领英上联系苹果员工，结果立马就接到苹果公关的电话——员工真把这事当回事，特别严肃。

As a reporter, I don't know if you've ever had this, but like sometimes I'll reach out, you know, I'll hear I'll reach out to Apple employees via LinkedIn and immediately I get a phone call from Apple PR because employees really can take it extremely seriously.

他们甚至会主动举报我。

Like they report me.

就是直接向苹果公关告状，说我私下接触他们。

They're like reporting me into Apple PR.

你说这事儿闹的。

It's like, okay.

我只是在做我的本职工作而已。

Like, I'm just doing my job.

我可没惹上苹果的公关部门。

I'm not getting in trouble with Apple PR.

不过话说回来，很多泄露的信息其实来自供应链。

But look, think a lot of the leaks have also come from the supply chain.

我觉得他们越搞多元化，这方面的问题就越明显。

I think the more they've diversified, that's part of where this is coming from.

有些是市场部门那边漏出来的。

Some of its marketing.

你明显能看出来，有人接触过某些内部资料，比如PPT或者演示文稿之类的。

Like, you can tell that somebody clearly had some access to some version of, I don't know, whether it was some deck or some presentation that was coming.

但话说回来，现在这年头，这真有那么严重吗？

But I don't know, in this day and age also like is it that bad, right?

这反而能造势啊，大家不都挺兴奋的吗？都在讨论九月要发布的那款折叠iPhone呢。

It builds hype for your products, people are excited, everyone's talking about this iPhone fold that's going come out in September right?

总比突然爆料，让大家一脸懵好吧。

Like better that then there just be this complete surprise and people will be like okay you know.

从时间上看，你觉得他们为啥要等呢？

Timing wise why do you think they why did you think they were going to wait?

就是为了避开蒂姆·库克，让WWDC自己开完？

Just to let WWDC go on without Tim Cook?

就像篮球运动员最后一季那样，你知道的……

Kind It's of like a basketball player taking his like you know

对，就像……

right like a

最后一个赛季。

last season

但我觉得他这次干脆就借着苹果五十周年顺势而为了。

but I guess he kind of just took it with this Apple the fiftieth.

对。

Yep.

现在对他来说真是退位的绝佳时机，毕竟苹果已经是四万亿美元的公司了。

It's kind of like the perfect time for him right to step down because like we said Apple's a $4,000,000,000,000 company.

我们都不知道AI会给他们带来什么影响。

We don't know what AI is going to do to them.

没错。

Right.

你肯定不想成为那个搞砸了的人。

So you don't want to be the guy who like it doesn't.

我说这话可能对苹果有点苛刻，但说实话，他们现在对AI好像也没啥明确方向，谁也不想当那个眼睁睁看着公司走下坡路的掌门人。

I mean this might be too critical on Apple but it doesn't seem like they have answers on AI and you kind of don't want to be the guy who just like presided over that.

还是让别人来接手比较好。

It's probably better to let somebody else take it.

没错，但你也得看，库克确实年纪不小了。

Yeah but also I think if you look at Cook he's getting old.

对啊。

Yeah.

也不是特别老吧，我的意思是，他肯定还能继续为公司做事，但……

You know not too old like I you know I don't I think he clearly can still be a part of the company but

65岁了。

65.

65岁了，再加上他这些年经历的这些事。

65 been and then this administration like all the stuff he's dealt with.

我觉得他就是觉得：我受够了。

I think the guy was just like I'm done with this.

他钱早就赚够了。

Certainly has has enough money.

对啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

你觉得蒂尔努斯接手后，苹果会有什么变化？你最期待什么？

What do you think what do you look forward to under Ternus at Apple?

库克的身价，我刚查了下报告，高达30亿美元。

Cook's worth that just according to report I just pulled up $3,000,000,000.

天哪。

Oh boy.

这钱够多了，我觉得。

That's enough I think.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得他没问题。

I think he'll be fine.

我也是这么想。

I think so too.

我真的很期待看看。

I do look forward to look.

我每次都去参加苹果的活动。

I I go to all Apple events.

我现在更期待这些活动能多点活力了。

I look forward to some more energy in those events now.

我不确定他们会不会让他重新上台，但他确实有气场。

I mean, don't know if they'll bring him back on to the actual stage but he's he's got presence.

如果你想找一个对硬件特别着迷、能聊得特别技术、特别 geek 的人站台上，那他真的很合适。

And if you want a leader to be on stage that's really interested in the hardware and getting really geeky and nerding out on certain stuff, it that could be him.

我觉得，嗯，项目本身的氛围挺好的，你看他们早就有一堆东西在做了。

I think, yeah, I think the energy around the projects and I look, I you know, their pipeline, they've got stuff that they've already been working on.

我觉得不会突然有大变化，但三年后我们再回头看，可能会更清楚他到底干了些什么。

I don't think we're gonna see sudden change but we'll like, we could come back here in three years and I think have a better sense of what what he really did.

是的。

Yeah.

折叠屏应该会是

Fold that should be

挺大的产品，没错，我觉得这会是个重磅产品，但就像 Vision Pro 一样，价格可能高得离谱，得迭代好几轮才能真正好用。

big I think yeah but yeah I think that's going to be a big product but I think similar to a VisionPRO it's going to be probably priced out of the mainstream and take a few iterations to get pretty good.

在咱们结束之前，谈谈蒂姆·库克的遗产吧？

Before we get out of here what Tim Cook's legacy?

我觉得他最大的贡献之一就是芯片。

So I love I think the chips are a big thing that he did.

老提这个，是因为当你想想他最了不起的成就时，这确实是最突出的。

Keep mentioning that Because it's like when you think about the biggest thing.

我的意思是，说实话，我也不确定。

I mean, look, I don't know.

他做的东西太多了，但我要说的主要是两个方面。

There's so many things that there's like two main things that I think I come up with.

第一，围绕iPhone打造整个体系。

One, building around the iPhone.

把iPhone的护城河不断扩展，搞出一大堆周边产品。

Taking that moat and just building so much around it.

AirPods、Apple Watch，把生态链延伸到方方面面。

AirPods, Apple Watch, just extending that ecosystem to so many things.

还有就是运营方面，他把苹果变成了一家能源源不断推出高品质高端产品的公司，你看看他们刚推出的Neo就知道了。

And then I think the operations and becoming a company that just could ship so many products at such good premium quality and, you know, even look at what they just did with the neo.

我的意思是，他们在运营上的能力，真的挺厉害的。

I mean, like, you know, what they do on the operations side, I think.

所以我觉得这两点最重要：一是他打造的生态系统。你想想，他在各种活动里到底说过多少次‘硬件、软件和服务’这仨词。

So I think those two things, like what he's done with the ecosystem, I mean, I think we could do a tally of how many times Tim Cook said hardware, software and services at events.

这次数肯定多得离谱，你懂的。

It's probably it's certainly you know.

要是每说一次就喝一口，你早就醉倒了。

If you had a drink for each one you'd be pretty drunk.

对啊。

Yeah.

这口号在他之前就有了，比他年纪还大，但他把它变成了信条，彻底带动了市场和产品，再加上运营这一块。

It's definitely older than him, more than his age.

但正是他把这口号变成了核心理念，明显推动了市场和产品的发展，再加上运营方面的成就。

But like that he made that a mantra and like that clearly moved markets and moved products for them and then the operations side.

你觉得呢？

What would you say?

我觉得他之所以能让苹果保持活力，关键就在于没去盲目追新。

I mean I would say he is he gets certainly gets credit for keeping Apple relevant by not chasing all the new things.

没错。

Yep.

但另一方面呢。

But there's another side of that.

如果他们搞不定人工智能的话。

He also will I mean if they don't figure out AI.

对。

Yeah.

要是真像很多人说的那样，AI变得那么重要，那他就会被看成是太固守自己擅长的东西，结果没打造出能做AI的文化——毕竟咱们都知道，苹果内部的文化根本没准备好自己搞AI。

And AI gets as big as a lot of people think it will be then he will be seen as the person who was so myopically focused on what they did well that he failed to create a culture because we know the culture is not ready to build AI failed to create a culture that could do this in house.

这一点从他们得跟Gemini合作就能看出来。

And I think that's evidenced by the fact that they have to partner with Gemini.

他们完全有可能把这事办成，根本不用花大钱建数据中心，直接授权一个模型，就能无缝集成到产品里。

There's a chance they're going to make this work perfectly where like they didn't spend all this money building data centers and they license a model and it works in their product.

对。

Yep.

但另一方面，事情发展下去，他可能真就撒手不管了。

But the other side of that story is also alive and he will have his hand off the controls as it plays out.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

不是。

No.

这一直都是蒂姆·库克的苹果，你知道的，或者叫‘蒂姆苹果’。

It's been Tim Cook's Apple you know or Tim Apple.

这根本就是‘蒂姆苹果’。

It's been Tim Apple.

对吧？

Right?

约翰·苹果可没有

John Apple doesn't have

和苹果一样的影响力。

the Ternus same ring as Apple.

Ternus？

Ternus.

把我们转过去。

Turn us over.

是的。

Yeah.

天啊。

Oh god.

这标题真不错。

Oh that's a good headline.

乔安娜，谢谢你。

Joanna thank you.

《我不是机器人》这本书你一定要读一读。

I Am Not a Robot it's a book that you should definitely pick up.

得把这句话加上。

Got to get that in there.

我能看看手机了吗？

Can I just see my phone now?

当然可以。

Yes.

好了，各位。

All right everybody.

我们下次再见。

We'll see you next time.

再次感谢大家收听和观看。

Thank you again for listening and watching.

那咱们到时候见。

We'll see you then.

好的，格雷西时间。

Okay, Gracie Times.