Read_902 - Nostr 非主流观点

没人会四处宣传自己的应用是基于React Native开发的。

Nobody is going around marketing their app as a React Native product.

虽然我理解这种类比并不恰当——Nostr是协议而React是框架——但现实是这根本不重要。

And while I understand it's a false equivalent in a sense that Nostr is a protocol while React is a framework, the reality is that it does not matter.

对世界上99.9999%的人来说，重要的是墙上的洞，而不是电钻本身。

For 99.9999% of the world, what matters is the hole, not the drill.

地球上可能只有一千人真正在乎产品是否基于Nostr开发，对其他人而言，重要的是应用功能及其解决的问题。

Maybe a thousand people on earth really care that something is built on Noster, but for everyone else, what matters is what the app or product does and the problem it solves.

比特币领域最优秀的团队打造了Audible。

The best in Bitcoin made Audible.

我是盖伊·斯旺，这里是《比特币可听化》。

I am Guy Swan, and this is Bitcoin Audible.

大家好，最近怎么样？

What is up, guys?

欢迎回到《比特币可听化》。

Welcome back to Bitcoin Audible.

我是盖伊·斯旺，你们认识的人里对比特币文献阅读量最大的家伙，今天我们要保持清醒头脑来探讨。

I am Guy Swan, the guy who has read more about Bitcoin than anybody else you know, and we are shooting for a little bit of sobriety today.

这是斯维茨基关于Nostr争议观点的文章。

So these are this is an article by Svetsky on unpopular opinions about Noster.

我特别想探讨这点，因为我发现KEET、PairStack、Synonym、PubKey乃至Nostr的开发者们普遍存在这种现象。

And I specifically wanted to get at this because I I think we I see it so so often with the people that I talk to and are building something in KEET and the PairStack and same thing in Synonym and PubKey and then in Nostr as well.

所有人都对技术本身兴奋不已，从开发视角沉迷于自己构建的酷炫功能，却忘记了产品的本质意义。

Is everybody is so excited about the tech, and they're so excited from a development perspective of this really cool thing that they've built that we lose sight of what the point of it is.

有一段非常精彩的引述。

There's a really great quote.

实际上，这是一段问答环节。

Actually, was a q and a.

有人挑战了史蒂夫·乔布斯，而他给出了一个绝妙的回答。

Somebody, like, of challenged Steve Jobs on it, and Steve Jobs gave a really great answer.

我已经把它保存在某个地方了。

And I've got it saved somewhere.

我会把它找出来，这样我们就能在本期评论中看到它。

I'm gonna bring it up, so it will we'll have it in the commentary of this episode.

我会在读完之前找到它。

I'll find it before I'm done with the read.

但我认为斯维茨基很好地抓住了重点——如何思考这个问题，不是从开发者的角度去思考谁在构建完美的系统或工具，也不是这个协议有多酷，而是从用户的角度看什么能解决问题。

But I think Svetsky does a really good job of kind of hitting the nail on the head of how to think about this and how to think about it not from a development perspective of who's building the perfect system or the perfect tool or how cool this protocol is, but what solves the problem from the user's perspective?

他们有什么问题，这些工具如何解决？

What problem do they have, and how is it solved with these tools?

我很喜欢这篇文章中的一句话：重要的是孔洞，而不是钻头。

And I love that line from this article is what matters is the hole, not the drill.

没人关心钻头长什么样，只要能帮他们得到所需的产品和结果。

Nobody cares what the drill looks like if it gets them the product, the outcome that they need.

事实上，这正是我们在去中心化互联网上99%的时间都花在中心化社交媒体孤岛中的原因。

In fact, that's exactly how on the decentralized Internet, we all ended up spending 99% of our time in social media centralized silos.

在我们深入讨论之前，先快速说一句。

So real fast before we jump into it.

向Ledin致敬，他们提供比特币抵押贷款服务。

Shout out to Ledin for their Bitcoin backed loans.

对于不想出售比特币、正寻求投资或购物，同时又清楚比特币会跑赢的比特币持有者来说，这简直是神器——你根本无需跑赢比特币。

This is an incredible tool for Bitcoiners who don't wanna sell their Bitcoin or are looking to make an investment or to make a purchase, and just know that Bitcoin is going to outpace it, well, you don't have to outpace Bitcoin.

你可以申请比特币抵押贷款，只需战胜利率就行。

You can get a Bitcoin backed loan, and you can just beat the interest rate.

无需缴纳资本利得税。

You don't pay capital gains.

你依然持有比特币所有权。

You still own your Bitcoin.

你还能验证比特币确实存在。

You can prove that it's there.

他们每六个月就会做一次储备金证明。

They do proof of reserves every six months.

他们每月公开账本，操作简单到不可思议。

They have monthly open books, and it's literally so easy.

虽然有点让人心里发毛。

It's a little bit scary.

快去了解一下吧。

Check them out.

我准备了专属链接，描述区就有折扣入口。

I have a special link, which gets you a discount right down in the description.

同时致敬人权基金会及其《财务自由报告》，还有奥斯陆自由论坛。

Shout out to the HRF and their financial freedom report, as well as the Oslo Freedom Forum.

这些人做了不起的工作。

These guys do incredible work.

如果你还没在Noster上关注他们，还没查阅他们的财务自由报告和通讯，那真是太棒了。

If you aren't following them on Noster, if you aren't, checking out their financial freedom report, their newsletter, it's fantastic.

当然，如果你有机会参加奥斯陆自由论坛，一定要把握住。

And of course, if you get the opportunity to go to the Oslo Freedom Forum, absolutely take it.

时间是2026年6月。

It'll be June 2026.

我会把链接放在详情里。

I'll have the link down in the details.

为你的光健康看看Git Chroma吧。

Check out a Git Chroma for your light health.

他们有红光疗法。

They have red light therapy.

他们设计了保护昼夜节律的灯光，还有夜视眼镜。

They have lights designed to protect your circadian rhythm, as well as the nightshade glasses.

正如我说过的，他们夜视眼镜最棒的一点是允许特定波段的紫光通过——这种光不会影响荷尔蒙，还能让你看到更丰富的色彩层次，而不是像普通红镜那样在晚上8点后把所有东西都染红。

And as I've said, one of the best things about their nightshade glasses is that it actually lets through a small band of purple light that does not have any effect on your hormones, but actually allows you to see more color depth rather than just completely red washing everything after, you know, 08:00 at night.

顺便说下，用代码Bitcoin audible可享9折优惠。

And a 10% discount with Code Bitcoin audible, by the way.

最后，Synonym正在构建PUBKey及其协议栈。

And lastly, Synonym is building PUBKey and their protocol stack.

特别是PACCAR，我最近读了很多相关资料。

PACCAR, in particular, I've been reading a lot about.

这真的很酷。

So this is really cool.

他们实际上构建了一个基于主链DHT的DNS系统，而且运行在BitTorrent使用的同一网络上。

They've literally built a DNS built on the it's the main line DHT, but it's built on the same network that bit BitTorrent was run on.

如果你正在尝试构建抗审查的应用程序或点对点工具，却不知道这些技术也没尝试过，那你必须试试。

If you are trying to build censorship resistant apps or peer to peer tools and you're not aware of these and you haven't tried these out, you must.

详情里有链接可以开始探索，他们还有pubkey.app，算是展示功能的一个平台。

There's a link down in the details to go start exploring, and they also have pubkey, pubky.app, which is kind of a a way to showcase what you can do.

好的。

Alright.

那么，我们开始今天的文章吧。因为如果我们真想推动Noster发展，推动pub key和pair stack进步，让人们真正使用这些技术，就必须这么思考。

With that, let's go ahead and get into today's article, because if we actually want to move Noster forward, if we wanna move pub key, if we wanna move the pair stack forward, and we actually want people to utilize these things, this is how we have to think about it.

今天文章的标题是《Alex Svetsky谈Noster的非主流观点》。

And so today's article is titled Noster Unpopular Opinions by Alex Svetsky.

打破一些固有观念。

Slaying some sacred cows.

2024年时，我对Noster充满狂热期待和乐观情绪。

In 2024, I was high as a kite on Noster hopium and optimism.

那年早些时候，我和联合创始人认为可以用Noster来验证大使身份，当时我们有个旅行应用的想法雏形叫'destination Bitcoin'，后来发展成了Satlantis。

Early that year, my co founder and I figured that we could use Noster as a way to validate ambassadors on, quote, destination Bitcoin, the germ of a travel app idea we had at the time that would turn into Satlantis.

经过更多研究和思考，我们发现Noster的开放社交图谱会带来巨大好处，在探索这个设计空间时，形成了SATLANTIS的完整构想——一种新型旅行社交网络。

After some more digging and thinking, we realized that Noster's OpenSocial graph would be of major benefit, and in exploring that design space, the fuller idea of SATLANTIS formed, a new kind of social network for travel.

我仍记得一月份和Pablo F7 Z的那通电话。

I still remember the call I had with Pablo F7 Z in January.

我当时在迪拜推销我正在开发的AI项目，但满脑子想的、嘴里谈的都是Sattlantis和Noster。

I was in Dubai pitching the AI idea I was working on at the time, but all I could think and talk about was Sattlantis and Noster.

那次谈话让我极度看好。

That conversation made me bullish AF.

我回来后深信我们挖到了金矿。

I came back from the trip convinced we'd struck gold.

我调整了老公司的方向，重组了团队，并为我们报名参加了马德拉岛的主权工程队列。

I pivoted the old company, reorganized the team, and booked us for the Sovereign Engineering Cohort in Madeira.

我们围绕Noster的使用制定了完整的项目路线图、上市策略和融资计划。

We put together a whole project roadmap, go to market strategy, and cap raise around the use of Noster.

我们即将成为下一个Noster应用巨头。

We were going to be the next big Noster app.

随后我在几场活动中向全世界宣布了这一切。

A couple of events followed in which I announced this all to the world.

其中最主要的是三月的比特币亚特兰蒂斯大会和六月的BTC布拉格大会。

Bitcoin Atlantis in March and BTC Prague in June being the two main ones.

反馈好得出奇，于是我们加码投入。

The feedback was incredible, so we doubled down.

在成为布拉格Nostrad展位的主要资金支持者后，我决定帮助组织Nostrad展位计划，并为11月的一系列拉丁美洲会议提供资金支持。

After being the major financial backer for the Nostrad booth in Prague, I decided to help organize the Nostrad booth initiative and back it financially for a series of Latin American conferences in November.

我坚信这是自比特币以来最重大的事情，以至于2024年在Nostrad营销计划上投入了超过5万美元。

I was convinced this was the biggest thing since Bitcoin, so much so that I spent over $50,000 in 2024 on Nostrad marketing initiatives.

我当时肯定是嗨过头了。

I was certainly high on something.

清醒过来。

Sobering up.

现在是2025年3月，我已经清醒了。

It's March 2025, and I've sobered up.

我现在以不同的视角看待Noster，一个更务实的视角。

I now look at Noster through a different lens, a more pragmatic one.

我把Noster视为工具，作为一个更关注解决问题而非拘泥于使用何种工具的企业家。

I see Noster as a tool, as an entrepreneur who's more interested in solving a problem than fixating on the tools being used should.

有几件事对我来说改变了。

A couple things changed for me.

其一是我们在11月发布的劣质产品。

One was the substandard product we'd released in November.

我过于专注于成为Noster的布道者，而把我们的产品放在了次要位置。

I was so focused on being a Noster evangelist that I put our product second.

再加上我们在SATLANTIS通过将所有东西Noster化而承担的额外技术债务，我们的产品糟透了。

Coupled with the extra technical debt we took on at SATLANTIS by making everything Noster native, our product was crap.

我们为了Noster纯粹主义和布道牺牲了可用性和产品稳定性。

We traded usability and product stability for Noster purism and evangelism.

我们使用原生事件类型、位置类型、日历类型等构建了一整套功能，以为其他Noster应用也会使用从而实现互操作性。

We built a whole suite of features using native event kinds, location kinds, calendar kinds, etcetera, that we thought other Noster apps would also use and therefore be interoperable.

结果发现没有重要参与者这么做，所以我们白白浪费了大量时间过度设计。

Turns out no serious players were doing any of that, so we spent a bunch of time over engineering for no benefit.

另一个让我警醒的是巴西的Twitter禁令。

The other wake up call for me was the Twitter ban in Brazil.

作为Twitter最大的市场之一，我原以为这会对Nostra的全球采用产生实质性影响。

Being one of the largest markets for Twitter, I really thought it would have a material impact on global Nostra adoption.

当基本上什么都没发生时，我开始质疑这一切。

When basically nothing happened, I began to question things.

附上截图说明。

Note with a screenshot.

哇。

Wow.

欢迎过去三天加入Blue Sky的100万新用户。

Welcome to the 1,000,000 new users in the last three days to Blue Sky.

Derek Ross的回复。

Reply by Derek Ross.

Blue Sky做了些惊人的营销，成为媒体宠儿。

Blue Sky has done some incredible marketing and is a media darling.

谷歌搜索Twitter替代品，满屏都是Mastodon和Blue Sky。

Googling Twitter alternatives gives you Mastodon and Blue Sky all over the place.

可悲的是，Noster目前完全处于劣势。

Noster is by far an underdog, sadly.

这些经历让我清醒过来，从亢奋状态中平复。

Combined, these experiences helped sober me up and I came down from my high.

当时我正在研读Andrew Chin的《冷启动问题》，深入研究网络效应。

I was reading The Cold Start Problem by Andrew Chin at the time and was doing a deep dive on network effects.

我得出了以下结论：Noster的网络效应形成将比我们最初预期的要漫长得多。

I came to the following realization: Noster's network effect is going to take way longer than we all anticipated initially.

这将是一场漫长的苦战，与比特币不同，胜利并非必然。

This is going to be a long grind, and unlike Bitcoin, winning is not inevitable.

比特币解决了一个更为重要的问题，而且是唯一的选择。

Bitcoin solves a much more important problem, and it's the only option.

Noster确实解决了一个重要问题，但它远非唯一的解决方案。

Noster solves an important problem, yes, but it's far from the only approach.

严格来说，它只是当前领先的一种实现方式。

It's just the implementation, arguably, in the lead right now.

这种清醒认识让我们对Nostr采取了不同的策略。

This sobering up led us to take a different approach with Nostr.

我们现在将其视为技术栈中的另一种工具，与移动端使用React Native或AWS无异——如果它能改善产品就用，如果会损害产品和用户体验就避免使用。

We now view it as another tool in the tech stack, no different to the use of React Native on mobile or AWS for Nostr is something to use if it makes the product better or avoid if it makes the product and user experience worse.

我将在下文分享更多内容，包括我们简单的决策框架。

I will share more on this below, including our simple decision making framework.

我还将提出几个关于Nostr可能不受欢迎的观点。

I'll also present a few more potentially unpopular opinions about Nostr.

实际上总共有四点。

Four in total, actually.

第一，Noster是工具，不是革命。

One, Noster is a tool, not a revolution.

第二，Noster没有解决多重社交账户问题。

Two, Noster doesn't solve the multiple social accounts problem.

第三，Noster不是为了抗审查而生。

Three, Noster is not for censorship resistance.

四。

Four.

资助伴随着代价。

Grants come with a price.

让我们开始吧。

Let's begin.

Noster是一种工具，而非革命。

Noster is a tool, not a revolution.

Noster上满是比特币爱好者。

Noster is full of Bitcoiners.

尽管我们自认为能免疫于新奇事物综合症，但内心深处仍像其他人一样深受其扰。

And as much as we like to think we are immune from shiny object syndrome, we are somewhere deep down afflicted by it like other humans.

这很正常，没关系。

That's normal and fine.

但比特币爱好者们成功压制了对山寨币的欲望时，这种渴望只是潜伏着，等待最不像山寨币的事物出现，好让我们毫无负担地支持。

But while Bitcoiners have successfully suppressed this desire when it comes to shitcoins, it lies dormant, yearning for the least shitcoin like thing to emerge which we can throw our guiltless support behind.

那个事物出现了，它叫Noster。

That thing arrived, and it's called Noster.

因此，我们开始将比特币式的纯粹与极致主义投射到它身上，只因它具备某些特质且显然不是骗局。

As a result, we've come to project the same kind of purity and maximalism onto it as we do with Bitcoin because it shares some attributes and it's clearly not a grift.

问题在于，我们错误地将它与比特币归为同类。

The trouble is in doing so, we've put it in the same class as Bitcoin, which is an error.

Noster很重要且具有某种微小革命性，但与比特币的重要性相比黯然失色。

Noster is important and in its own small way revolutionary, but it pales in comparison to Bitcoin's importance.

换个角度想，如果比特币失败，文明就完蛋了。

Think of it this way, if Bitcoin fails, civilization is fucked.

如果Noster失败，我们会设计出另一种丰富的身份协议。

If Noster fails, we will engineer another rich identity protocol.

比特币的诞生与成功是文明史上的孤例，我们无需再复制那种完美构想与历史依赖。

There is no need for the kind of immaculate conception and past dependence that was necessary for Bitcoin whose genesis and success has been a once in a civilization event.

将Noster与比特币等同到目前这种程度，是严重的范畴错误。

Equivocating Noster and Bitcoin to the degree that it has been is a significant category error.

Noster可能会成功，也可能只是通往更优方案的实验品。

Noster may win, or it may just be an experiment on the path to something better.

这没什么不好。

And that's okay.

我说这些不是为了惹恼谁。

I don't say this to piss anyone off.

贬低Noster就是在贬低我自己。

To piss on Noster is to piss on myself.

我直言不讳，是希望Noster不要沦为几千人互相吹捧的小圈子。

I say it because I'd prefer Noster not remain a place where a few thousand people speak to each other about how cool Noster is.

短期看这种氛围很温馨，但从宏观角度看，这是在浪费能让互联网重要角落重焕生机的利器。

That's cute in the short term, but in the grand scheme of things is a waste of a great tool that can make a significant corner of the Internet great again.

当我们剥离对Noster的情感依赖与精神鸦片，才能更清醒客观地看待它，从而更有效地使用它。

By removing the emotional charge and opium from our relationship to Noster, we can take a more sober, objective view of it and hopefully use it more effectively.

与其让一切围绕Noster这个工具转，不如回归优秀产品人和企业的本质——让一切围绕用户展开。

Instead of making everything about Nostr the tool, we can go back to doing what great product people and businesses do make everything about the customer.

没人会到处宣传自己的应用是基于React Native开发的。

Nobody is going around marketing their app as a React Native product.

虽然我理解这种类比不恰当——Nostr是协议而React是框架，但现实是这根本不重要。

While I understand this is false equivalent in the sense that Nostr is a protocol while React is a framework, the reality is that it does not matter.

对世界上99.999%的人来说，重要的是墙上的洞，而不是电钻。

For 99.999% of the world, what matters is the hole, not the drill.

地球上可能只有一千人真正在乎产品是否基于Noster构建，其他人只关心应用功能及其解决的问题。

Maybe a thousand people on earth really care that something is built on Noster, but for everyone else, what matters is what the app or product does and the problem it solves.

通过这种方式重新调整焦点，将Noster乃至比特币都视为工具包中的工具，彻底改变了我们的开发方式。

Realigning our focus in this way and looking at not only Noster but also Bitcoin as a tool in the toolkit has transformed the way we're building.

这启发我两周前写了篇题为《尽可能Noster化》的文章。

This inspired an essay I wrote a couple of weeks ago called As Noster as Possible.

文中阐述了我们更新后的Noster使用理念——不仅是基于它开发，更要与它共同构建。

It covers our updated approach to using and building with Noster, not just on it.

你可以在这里找到那篇文章。

You can find that here.

如果忙到没时间阅读也不必担心。

If you're too busy to read it, don't fret.

整个理论可以用下图来概括。

The entire theory can be summarized by the diagram below.

这就是我们现在决定哪些功能要原生集成Nostr，哪些自主开发的判断标准。

This is how we now decide what to make Nostril native and what to just build on our own.

正如《ANAP》文中所说，这并不意味着我们永远不会原生集成某些Nostr功能。

And, as stated in the ANAP essay, that doesn't mean we'll never make certain features Nostril native.

如果论点是Nostr协议没有发展前景，那么我们随时可以回头完善该功能，待资源和协议稳定时再实现Nostr化。

If the argument is that Nostr is not going anywhere, then we can always come back to that feature and Nostrify it later when resources and protocol stability permit.

下图是一个坐标图：纵轴上方代表对Noster有利，下方则对Noster不利或存在兼容性问题。

The following is a diagram, where on the vertical axis, we have up at the top, it's good for Noster, up down at the bottom, it's worse for Noster or it's incompatible.

横轴左侧对SATLANTIS用户不利，右侧则对SATLANTIS用户有利。

Then to the left, we have worse for SATLANTIS users, and to the right, we have good for SATLANTIS users.

因此右上角区域对Noster有利，但对SATLANTIS用户不利。

So the top right is good for Noster, worse for SATLANTIS users.

这类情况我们应当规避。

These are things we avoid.

这类方案几乎不应被考虑，更别说实施——除非等我们成为市值十亿美元的公司，才有资本挥霍资源。

This should rarely, if ever, be considered, let alone built, maybe when we're a billion dollar company and can afford to sacrifice the resources.

左下角区域既对SATLANTIS用户不利，也对NoSter不利或存在兼容性问题。

The bottom left, worse for SATLANTIS users and worse for NoSter or incompatible with NoSter.

绝对禁止。

Never.

永远不要开发这类功能。

Never ever build this.

右上角区域对NoSter和SATLANTIS用户都有利。

Top right, good for NoSter and good for SATLANTIS users.

毫无疑问优先实施。

Yes, always.

当然要开发，但需综合考虑实施难度、复杂性和技术权衡。

Always build, of course, taking effort, complexity, and technical trade offs into account.

在右下角，对SATLANTIS用户有利，但对Noster或Noster不兼容用户不利。

And in the bottom right, good for SATLANTIS users and worse for Noster or Noster incompatible.

是的。

Yes.

当面临抉择时，提升产品质量比NoSter兼容性更重要。

When push comes to shove, making the product better is more important than NoSter compatibility.

NoSter的一体化方案并非全是优点。

The NoSter all in one approach is not all positive.

一个账户可通过多个不同应用访问，可能不如我们最初设想的那般理想。

Having one account accessible via many different apps might not be as positive as we initially thought.

如果你在所有社交平台保持统一形象，并到处发布相同内容，那么能在一个地方发布内容并同步到各处确实很棒。

If you have one unified presence online across all of your socials and you're posting the same thing everywhere, then yes, being able to post content in one place and it being broadcast everywhere is great.

人们付费使用HypeFury、Buffer和Hootsuite等产品，除了排期功能外还有其他原因。

There's a reason why people literally pay for products like HypeFury, Buffer, and Hootsuite aside from scheduling.

但情况并非总是如此。

But this is not always the case.

我与数百名创作者交流过，许多人认为这是个缺陷而非功能，因为他们通常在各个平台拥有不同受众，并根据平台特性采用不同沟通方式。

I've spoken to hundreds of creators, and many have flagged this as a bug, not a feature, because they tend to have a different audience on different platforms and speak to them differently depending on the platform.

我们都知道这点。

We all know this.

你在LinkedIn上的形象展示与Instagram或X上截然不同。

How you present yourself on LinkedIn is very different to how you do it on Instagram or X.

这让我想起腾讯版TikTok——微视的故事。

The story of Wei Shu, Tencent's version of TikTok, comes to mind here.

腾讯的微信登录功能适得其反，因为人们不希望自己的社交关系如影随形。

Tencent's WeChat login worked against them because people didn't want their social graph following them around.

用户实际上是想摆脱现有亲友圈的束缚，因此他们选择了抖音（中国的TikTok）。

Users actually wanted freedom from their existing family and friends, so they chose Douyin, Chinese TikTok, instead.

或许这点对微信这类平台更为关键，因为如影随形的社交关系更私人化，但我们在Instagram和Facebook上也看到过类似现象。

Perhaps this is more relevant to something like WeChat because the social graph following you around is more personal, but we saw something similar with Instagram and Facebook.

尽管拥有权已超过十年，Facebook仍将不同平台的社交关系隔离处理。

Despite over a decade of ownership, Facebook still keeps the social graphs separate.

所有这些都说明，虽然在不同社交应用上采用不同策略很麻烦，但它能让用户触及不同市场，因为每个生态都有其独特调性。

All this to say that while having a different strategy and approach on different social apps is annoying, It allows users to tap into different markets because each silo has its own flavor.

那些在所有平台发相同内容的人本来就是低质量内容创作者。

The people who just post the same thing everywhere are low quality content creators anyway.

真正用心的创作者会根据平台特性差异化运营。

The ones who actually care are using each platform differently.

讽刺的是，这实际上比协议方案更去中心化——这些独立生态形成了差异化社区市场。

The ironic part here is that this is arguably more decentralized than a protocol approach because these silos form a marketplace of communities, which are all somewhat different.

我们需要为Noster找到聪明的解决方案，在关键场景精准触达目标受众。

We need to find a smart way of doing this with Noster, some way of catering to the appropriate audience where it matters most.

或许这会由客户端或中继服务器来处理。

Perhaps this will be handled by clients, or by relays.

我在Nostr圈听到的一个解决方案是：为不同受众单独建立MPUB实例。

One solution I've heard from people in the Nostra space is just spin up another MPUB for your different audience.

虽然我不反对这种做法，但这显然没有解决根本问题。

While I have no problem with people doing that it's clearly not a solution to the underlying problem here.

我们正在尝试一些新东西。

We're experimenting with something.

这是否是个好主意还有待观察。

Whether it's a good idea or not remains to be seen.

SATLANTIS用户将能在我们的应用中管理个人资料并删除内容。

SATLANTIS users will be able to curate their profiles and remove content on our app.

我们将分两个阶段实施：第一阶段：简单版。

We'll implement this in two stages: Stage one: Simple.

在首次迭代中，我们不会向中继站广播删除请求。

In the first iteration, we will not broadcast a delete request to relays.

这意味着用户可以在SATLANTIS上获得精心整理的资料页，同时在其他客户端或中继站保留完整记录。

This means users can get a nicely curated profile page on SATLANTIS, but keep a record of their full profile elsewhere on other clients or relays.

第二阶段：更复杂。

Stage two: More complex.

后续我们会尝试让用户选择仅在SATLANTIS上删除内容，或是全网删除。

Later on, we'll try to give people an option to quote delete on SATLANTIS only or delete everywhere.

这里的区别在于赋予用户更多控制权。

The difference here is more control from the user.

我们能否推进到这一步还有待观察。

Whether we get this far remains to be seen.

我们需要通过用户体验测试来验证这是否是用户真正需要的功能。

We'll need to experiment with the UX and see whether this is something people really want.

我确信这两种方案都不完美，但在我们有更多时间和资源深入思考前，这就是我们要尝试的方向。

I'm sure neither of these solutions are ideal, but they're what we're going to try until we have more time and resources to think this through more.

下一个。

Next.

Noster并非为抗审查而生。

Noster is not for censorship resistance.

很遗憾，这艘船已经启航，至少目前如此。

I'm sorry to say, but this ship has sailed, at least for now.

或许未来这会再次成为问题，但谁知道呢？况且何时能成为关键因素也未可知。

Maybe it's a problem again in the future, but who knows when and if it will ever be a big enough factor anyway.

事实是，虽然我们都知道Nostra作为协议更优越，但人们并不足够在意。

The truth is, while we all know that Nostra is superior because it's a protocol, people do not care enough.

他们更在乎包装上的宣传，而非盒子里实际装了什么。

They are more interested in what's written on the box, not what's necessarily inside the box.

99%的人根本他妈不知道协议是什么，更别说为何抗审查要在协议层实现，或者为什么他们该相信Noster能兑现承诺。

99% of people don't know what the fuck a protocol is in the first place, let alone why it matters for censorship resistance to happen at that level, or more importantly, why they should trust Noster to deliver on that promise.

更何况，那些曾关心言论自由的人现在已因Rumble的视频、X的短内容和Substack的长文而心满意足。

Furthermore, the few people who did care about free speech are now placated enough with Rumble for video, X for short form, and Substack for long form.

随着Meta现在对这场运动阳奉阴违，至少在可预见的未来，这个叙事已经终结。

With Meta now paying lip service to the movement, it's game over for this narrative, at least for the foreseeable future.

史蒂文·泰勒的推文。

Tweet from Steven Taylor.

扎克伯格表示Facebook和Instagram将优先保障言论自由，将近期文化转折点归因于移民和性别等审查已不合时宜的议题，称事实核查员偏见过重，传统媒体对审查制度过于政治化。

Zuckerberg says Facebook and Instagram will now prioritize free speech, attributes a recent cultural tipping point to debates like immigration and gender where censoring is now out of touch, says fact checkers were too biased and legacy media too political about censorship.

而那些真正在乎的人早已全部登船。

And the people who did care enough all onboarded.

对于那些从不关心的普通人来说，他们依然不在乎，或者已经转向了Threads、Blue Sky或Pornhub这类反主流平台。

For the Normies who never cared, they still don't care, or they found their way to the anti platforms like Threads, Blue Sky, or Pornhub.

我们少数仍留在Noster的人，依然坚守在这里。

The small minority of us still here on Noster are well, still here.

这固然很好，但如果目标是扩大这里的网络效应并吸引更多人，那么我们需要找到新角度，提供比'账号不会被删除'更有吸引力的卖点。

Which is great, but if the goal is to grow the network effect here and bring in more people, then we need to find a new angle, something more compelling than your account won't be deleted.

我不完全确定那是什么。

I'm not a 100% sure what that is.

我的直觉是：'一个可互操作的应用网络，不一定明确标榜自己是Noster，但底层使用它'才是正确方向。

My instinct is that a quote network of interoperable applications that doesn't necessarily or explicitly brand themselves as Noster, but have it under the hood is the right direction.

我认为开放社交图谱及其创新使用方式很有吸引力。

I think the OpenSocialGraph and using it in novel ways is compelling.

问题在于这需要为不关心主权的群体——特别是内容创作者，以及不在乎Noster创立初衷的人——开发更多真正优秀的新颖应用。

The trouble is this needs more really well built and novel apps for non sovereignty minded people, especially content creators, and people who don't necessarily care about the reasons Noster was first built.

这也要求我们超越简单复制现有产品的模式。

It also requires us to move beyond just building clones of what already exists.

我们尝试推进SATLANTIS项目已近一年，虽然进展比我预期的慢得多，但正在逐步成型。

We've been trying to do this SATLANTIS thing for almost a year now, and it's coming along, albeit way slower than I would have liked.

我们正在通过实验探索一个全新的产品领域，创造与现有产品不同的东西。

We are experimenting our way into a whole new category of product, something different to what exists today.

我们犯过大量错误，有时看着未交付的成果，我甚至觉得自己像在角色扮演。

We've made a whole bunch of mistakes, and at times I feel like a LARP considering the state of nondelivery.

但即将到来的成果非常特别，我相信这一路上的所有痛苦、努力和心碎都百分百值得。

But what's on the horizon is very special, and I think that all of the pain, effort and heartache along the way will be 100% worth it.

我们将推出一款令人惊艳的产品，它深受用户喜爱，能解决一系列旅行相关的问题，并内置Noster技术——只有真正关心的人才会知晓。

We're going to deliver a killer product that people love, that solves a whole host of travel related problems and has Noster under the hood, where nobody except those who care will know.

资助伴随着代价。

Grants come with a price.

这与其说是一种观点，不如说是一项观察。

This one is less of an opinion and more of an observation.

不确定它是否真的适合这篇文章，但我还是简单提一下，权当抛砖引玉。

Not sure it really belongs in this essay, but I'll make a small mention just as food for thought.

资助是把双刃剑。

Grants are a double edged sword.

我非常感谢OpenSATs等机构对协议的支持，也不羡慕他们需要甄别哪些该资助——既要考虑对网络的益处，又要区分终端用户产品。

I am super grateful that OpenSATs et al are supporting the protocol, and I don't envy the job they have in trying to decipher what to support and what not to depending on what's of benefit to the network versus what's an end user product.

话虽如此，Noster生态系统是否过于依赖资助了？

That being said, is the Noster ecosystem too grant dependent?

这不是批评，而是个问题。

This is not a criticism, but a question.

或许因为Noster太年轻，这样做是对的，但我总觉得哪里不对劲。

Perhaps this is the right thing to do because of how young Noster is, but I just can't help but feel like there's something amiss.

资助会让焦点集中在NOSTR而非产品或客户上——如果资助范围是协议开发或工具建设倒也无妨。

Grants put the focus on NOSTR instead of the product or customer, which is fine if the work the grant covers is for NOSTR protocol development or tooling.

但当资助用于终端产品开发时，会让建设者和受助方与NOSTR绑定，可能导致与客户需求脱节。

But when grants subsidize the development of end user products, it ties the builder and grant recipient to NOSTR in a way that can misalign them to the customer's needs.

这有点像拿政府资助做项目——真正的客户是谁呢？

It's a bit like getting a government grant to build something who's the real customer?

因此，资助金可能导致类似共产主义式的市场脱节和虚假经济激励。

Grants can therefore create an almost communist like detachment from the market and false economic incentive.

参考我之前展示的Noster决策框架，当你获得资助时，你会更关注X轴而非Y轴。

To reference the Noster decision framework I showed you earlier, when you've been given a grant, you are focusing more on the X axis, not the Y.

这是一种权衡，而所有权衡都会带来后果。

This is a tradeoff and all tradeoffs have consequences.

资助金是否就是Noster充满业余爱好者和实验性产品而非严肃产品的原因？

Could grants be the reason Noster is so full of hobbyist and experimental products instead of serious products?

还是说这只是Noster雄心勃勃且处于早期阶段的自然结果？

Or is that just a function of how ambitious and early Noster is?

我不知道。

I don't know.

Noster显然需要更好的工具包、SDK和基础设施来支持应用和产品开发者的构建工作。

Noster certainly needs better toolkits, SDKs, and infrastructure upon which app and product developers can build.

我只希望资助金能流向这些领域并催生出这些工具。

I just hope the grant money finds its way there and that it yields these tools.

否则，像我们这样的应用开发者不会继续留在Noster上开发。

Otherwise, app developers like us won't stick around and build on Noster.

我们会换用更好的工具。

We'll swap it out with a better tool.

需要澄清的是，我并不是在贬低NOSTR或资助者。

To be clear, this is not me pissing on NOSTR or the grantors.

Jack、OpenSATs以及所有支持NOSTR的人都非常了不起。

Jack, OpenSATs, and everyone who supported NOSTR are incredible.

我只是在提问。

I'm just asking the question.

最后我要用这个思想实验结束这一部分。

Final thing I'll leave this section with is a thought experiment.

如果Open Sats明天消失，NoSter还能存活吗？

Would NoSter survive if Open Sats disappeared tomorrow?

值得深思。

Something to think about.

尾声。

CODA.

如果你读到这里，感谢你。

If you've read this far, thank you.

这里有很多内容需要消化，正如我之前所说，这并不是要诋毁Noster。

There's a bunch here to digest, and like I said earlier, this is not about shitting on Noster.

这只是一次调查，夹杂着一点经典的Svetsky式神圣不可侵犯的禁忌挑战。

It's just an inquiry mixed with a little classic Svetsky sacred cow slaying.

我希望看到Noster成功，不仅因为我认为它对世界有益，还因为我认为它是最佳选择，这也是我们投入如此多的原因——我将在后续文章《为何我们选择基于Noster构建》中详述。

I want to see Noster succeed, not only because I think it's good for the world, but also because I think it is the best option, which is why we've invested so much in it, something I'll cover in an upcoming article Why We Chose to Build on Noster.

我坚信这是构建互联网原生身份和开放社交图谱的正确工具包。

I'm firmly of the belief that this is the right toolkit for an internet native identity and OpenSocial Graph.

我不太确定的是它已成为的回音室效应，以及人们对其近乎狂热的崇拜关系。

What I'm not so sure about is the echo chamber it's become and the cult like relationship people have with it.

我期待因我的异端邪说和亵渎言论被Noster纯粹主义者当作女巫追捕并处以火刑。

I look forward to being witch hunted and burned at the stake by the Noster Purists for my heresy and blaspheming.

我也期待通过阅读这份材料能促成一些富有成效的讨论。

I also look forward to some productive discussions as a result of reading this.

感谢您的关注。

Thank you for your attention.

下次再见。

Until next time.

我怎么说都不为过。

I cannot say this enough.

关键在于我们需要解决用户的实际需求——99.9999%的用户根本不在乎是什么解决了问题、为什么能解决或如何解决的。

Is that if we need to be tackling something that the user needs and the user doesn't the 99.9999 of them do not care what solves that problem, why it solves the problem, or how it solves the problem.

所有这些工具都存在同样的问题：当你交给用户使用时，如果操作略显笨拙、别扭或不熟悉，他们只会用新工具重复旧操作——就像把Nostr当作另一个推特来用。

And this is the thing with all of these various tools is when you give it to someone and it's like a little bit clunky or it's awkward or it's unfamiliar, and they're just doing the same thing that they've done with the other tool, they're just using Nostr just like different Twitter.

比如加载速度稍慢些，找帖子稍微费劲点，活跃度也没那么高。

Like, kinda takes a little bit longer to load, kinda harder to find post and stuff, not quite as much activity.

他们需要足够有吸引力的理由才会留下——这正是为什么比特币爱好者和真正重视抗审查、想修复互联网的人会坚持使用。

They need a really good reason to stick around that they care about, which is exactly why Bitcoiners and people who seriously care about censorship resistance and about fixing the web and all of this stuff actually do stick around.

但这只是极少数群体。

But that's a tiny, tiny group of people.

可以说我们已经找到了所有重要的核心用户。

We've arguably found basically all of them that matter.

甚至其中部分在意这些特性的人最终还是回到了推特/X，因为用起来勉强凑合。

And even some portion of those who do care about that still just went back to Twitter or X because it just kinda does the job.

他们把Nostr当作备用方案，或者Rumble之类的替代品。

And they've got Nostr as a backup or whatever it is or, you know, Rumble.

用户只想要一个能用的东西。

The user just wants something that works.

作为一个介于超级技术派和非技术派之间的人，我一直觉得，我仍然以这种方式处理和思考大部分工作。

And I've always felt that there is this as someone who's kind of like in that middle ground between like super technical and not very technical, like, I still treat and think about most of what I do.

我确实会完全沉迷于技术层面，比如‘这是个协议’，我热爱它正因为它是协议。

I I do get, like, totally in love with, like, the technical side and, like, oh, this is a protocol, and I love this because it's a protocol.

但我也意识到，这可能很大程度上与我试图引导人们使用隐私工具或Nostr这类东西时的努力程度有关，我看到了他们的反应。

But I also recognize, and I think it might have a lot to do with the fact that how much I, partly how much I try to onboard people to privacy tools or things like Nostr, and I get their reaction.

我看着他们如何尝试与这些东西互动，这让我深刻意识到：哇，这与他们预期、思考或关心的世界完全不同。

I see how they try to interact with stuff, and it just hits me as like, wow, this is like, this is a whole different world from what this person is expecting or what they think about or they care about when they're getting into something like this.

更具体地说，我总在思考想为自己构建的东西，因为作为用户，我想要简单版本。

And then also more specifically is I'm always thinking about stuff that I want to build for me because as a user, I want the easy version.

我想要iOS版本。

I want the iOS version.

并不是说我不能打开终端操作。

It's not like that I can't break out a terminal and do stuff.

我现在就开着三个终端窗口处理琐事，因为只有一个简单脚本，没有现成应用能完成这些工具。

I have, like, three terminal windows open right now doing crap because I only have, like, a simple script, and I don't have an app to accomplish some of these tools.

因为我还没花时间把它编码实现。

Because I haven't spent the time to vibe code it.

所以我并不是害怕技术。

So it's not like I'm afraid of it.

我只是不喜欢它。

I just don't like it.

出于同样的原因，我宁愿直接弹吉他或弹钢琴，而不是写下详细笔记或计算哪些频率组合起来好听。

I would rather things just for the exact same reason that instead of like writing down explicit notes or doing a math problem on which frequencies sound good together, I'd rather just play the guitar or play the piano.

我希望能够演奏这些乐器，因为那才是绝佳的用户体验。

I want to be able to play these things because that's a great user experience.

做数学题并展示计算过程一点都不有趣。

Doing the math and showing your work is not fun.

直接得到答案、能够把玩工具，那才叫乐趣。

Jumping to the answer, being able to play with the tools, that's fun.

这正是为什么我觉得开发者喜欢思考、想要构建或感兴趣的东西，与用户实际需求及体验之间存在巨大鸿沟。

This is exactly why I feel like there is this massive chasm between what developers like or think about or want to build or are interested in and what the user actually wants or needs and what their experience looks like.

我必须认为这是过滤器争论如此荒谬的重要原因。

I gotta think this is a huge part of why the filter debate is so completely bonkers.

因为所有开发者都在说：哦，你可以轻松绕过这个限制。

Is because all the developers are saying like, oh, you can easily get around this.

就像说：当然，开发者确实可以做到。

It's like, well, yes, of course, a developer can.

那些深谙此道的人可以，但这不是我们要讨论的重点。

Somebody who's deeply in this, but that's not what we're talking about.

我们讨论的是普通用户用这个功能来完成任务，或者只是在链上塞一堆乱七八糟的东西。

We're talking about our normal users going to use this to accomplish something or to just stick a bunch of dick butts or whatever in the chain.

开发者存在一种盲目性，总觉得用户可以直接找矿工，绕过中继网络做这做那。

And there's this developer blindness that, like, well, they could just go to a miner, and they could just go around the relay network and do this and this and this.

但普通人根本不会那样操作。

The typical nobody is gonna do that.

比如，99.5%的人不会那么做，这意味着你会阻挡99.5%真正想这么做的人，因为他们找不到简单的方法来实现。

Like, 99 and a half percent of the people won't do that, which means you'll block 99% and a half of the people who actually want to do that because there won't be an easy way for them to do it.

这是一道针对缺乏强烈动机和工具知识的用户的软性屏障，而这正是你想要的。

It's a soft barrier that works for people that aren't deeply motivated and deeply knowledgeable about the tools, which is exactly what you want.

但这个论点不断被滥用——有人随便打开终端窗口捣鼓几下就说'看，我绕过去了'，却完全没意识到自己只是极少数特例。

But the argument is constantly being leveraged out there, just thrown, that because a bunch of developers can easily get, like, break I've literally watched where it's like a like, broke out a terminal window and did like a thing and says, see, I got around it.

这就像，你根本不明白自己已经排除了多少潜在用户解决这个问题的可能性。

It's like, you don't understand how many people that you just eliminated from the able to do this problem.

时间和烦躁感都是成本。

Time and annoyance are costs.

知识也是一种成本。

Knowledge is a cost.

我看到太多开发者沉迷于技术滤镜——他们总在构建开发者想要的东西，一旦问题失去技术趣味就立刻失去兴趣。

And I see so many developers getting off the filter thing, but just in general, I see so many developers building things that developers want and then getting bored with it the second that it's not an interesting problem for them.

最终留下的东西虽然能运行，但距离真正能面向普通用户的产品还差十万八千里。

And what's left is something that performs the function, but is so far away from a product or something that you can actually put in front front of a normal user.

然后他们要么弃之不顾，要么恼羞成怒。

And then they just kind of like dismiss it or they get angry.

你会说'哦，他们必须学会这个，因为太蠢了/永远掌握不了自主权'

You're like, oh, they're just gonna have to learn how to do this because they're stupid or they'll never get sovereignty.

但其实不是这样。

It's like, well, no.

如果你从未在他们熟悉的交互场景中实现自主权，就像没有造出吉他却指望人们创作好音乐。

If you never deliver sovereignty into the space where they interact or how they think about it, if you never create a guitar, nobody's gonna create good music.

你不能责怪人们会想，哦，他们只需要了解波长如何运作，只需要能进行数学计算，就能将其转化为机器输出。

And you can't blame the people for being like, oh, well, they they just need to learn how the wavelengths work, and they just need to be able to math it together, and then they can produce it into a machine.

不存在责备或义务要求他们必须做这个或学那个，因为简单的事实就是我们专业分工有其道理。

There is no blame or obligation or they gotta do this or learn this because the simple reality is is that we specialize for a reason.

让所有人学会所有东西是不现实的。

There's no time for everyone to learn everything.

认为全世界每个人都必须学会使用Nostr或管理社交媒体的密钥，这种想法简直荒谬。

And the idea that learning how to use Nostr or manage keys for social media or for a social open graph is something that every single person everywhere must learn is is crazy.

就像要求一位专注于学习外科手术的医生，还得操心自己在社交图谱上的行为和管理Nostr密钥。

Like, that a doctor who's who's focused on learning how to cut into somebody and take out an organ and replace it needs to be worried about what they're doing on their social graph and how they're managing their noster keys.

不。

No.

如果他们没时间学习这些，你永远无法让他们真正使用这个系统。

If they don't have the time to do it, then you're just never going to meet them into a in a place where they can actually utilize this thing.

当然，将其隐藏起来总会有所妥协。

And, yes, obscuring it away always has a trade off.

关键在于：用现有工具能实现的最佳平衡点是什么？

The point is what's the best trade off available with the tools that we have?

选择权在于他们——必要时可以更进一步深入学习。

The option, the option of going a step further, of going deeper, of learning it if they need it.

如果那位医生最终反对新冠疫苗和封锁措施（因为这些完全违背科学依据），等真需要密钥时他自然会去学习。

If that doctor ends up being against the COVID vaccine and and against the lockdowns because it didn't make any damn sense, because it was against the science and there was nothing that suggested the COVID vaccine was actually going to help anybody, he will learn about keys when it gets to the point that he needs them.

但现阶段这不是优先事项。

But in the meantime, that's not a priority.

这无需担忧，对于潜在问题，你能预先了解的毕竟有限。

It's not a concern, and there's only so much that you can know in advance of a potential problem.

你无法为生活中所有可能的结果都买保险，对许多人来说，如果没有眼前亟待解决的问题，情况往往就是如此。

You can't have insurance on every single possible outcome in life, and that's what it ends up being for a lot of people if there's no immediate problem that it solves directly in front of them.

所以问题始终是：这件事你能做而其他事做不到的究竟是什么？

So the question is always, what can you do with this thing that you cannot do with the others?

然后你就要专注于这一点。

And you lean into that.

这就是我们制作《BitTorrent启示录》系列的原因，这个由西蒙·莫里斯主讲的四集系列节目讲述了BitTorrent的经验教训。

This is why we did the the BitTorrent, lessons from BitTorrent, lessons of BitTorrent series, which was a four part by, Simon Morris.

我一直很喜欢这个系列，因为我觉得它非常有启发性。

I always love that one because and I think that's a really good fact.

或许我该找个时机重启这个项目。

That's probably something I should bring back at some point for a a reboot.

因为我认为这个视角非常重要——它揭示了BitTorrent解决了什么问题，以及为何它的鼎盛时期已经过去。

Because I think it's a really important perspective as to what BitTorrent solved and why it's kind of left its heyday.