圆桌讨论_016 - 从基奥尼到量子世界，打造狡黠迂回之路

就像你所说的，250个比特币花费了150个比特币来转移，因为这些都是垃圾。

It's a it's a like you said, 250 Bitcoin that cost a 150 Bitcoin to move because it's all garbage.

这本质上是一个尘埃限制区块。

It's a dust limit block, essentially.

但我已经忘了是谁提出的这个方案，不过它基本上是这样的：它允许我们以类似的方式删除所有这些UTXO，并要求它们包含一个指向链上位置的指针，同时添加额外数据以便日后花费这些币。

But I I've forgotten who the proposal was, but it's one that's basically like that, is that it lets us delete all those UTXOs in a very similar fashion and require them to have a pointer to where it is in the chain, put in extra data to spend those coins later.

我认为这个提议其实非常棒，因为它能让我们从DUS的角度彻底清理UTXO集合，同时一举清除约80%的垃圾交易。

And I think I actually thought it was a pretty great proposal because it lets us completely clear up the UTXO set from what is essentially a DUS perspective, but we catch, like, 80% of the spam at the exact same time.

然后，责任就落在他们身上，必须在交易中提供这一组额外的字节作为指针，以便将来能够花费这些币。

And then the onus is on them to provide this extra set of bytes in the transaction, which is a pointer for them to have to be able to spend it.

如果他们只是原生地直接将其转出并再次花费，这笔交易看起来就像不存在一样，因为其他人已经清除了它，而我们也不会广播这笔交易——这正是我欣赏的地方，因为它本质上是一种通过分叉持续强制执行Mempool策略的方式，同时再次利用网络来阻止他们，或在系统中增加这种边际成本和抑制因素。

And if they just, like, natively just, like, spit it out and spend it again, it's gonna look like it doesn't exist because everybody else clears it out, and we're not gonna broadcast the transaction, which I love because it's basically like a a means to continually enforce the MEMPO policy with a with a fork, but basically use the network again as a way to prevent them or to add that marginal cost, add a disincentive into the into the system.

所以我真的很喜欢这个提议。

So I actually really like that proposal.

但再说一遍，我一时想不起是谁提出的了。

But, again, I I can't remember who it is off the top of my head.

我得查一下。

I have to look it up.

但不管怎样，我们聊到了这个。

But, anyway, we got into it.

史蒂夫，兄弟，你最近怎么样？

Steve, how you doing, brother?

哦，我很好，老兄。

Oh, I'm doing good, man.

是的。

Yeah.

我跟你们说过。

I told you guys.

我决定了一下，我一辈子都写日记。

I I decided so I've been like a journaler all my life.

最近我有点荒废了，但我正在尝试一个新方法，我要开始

I've got it out of the habit recently, but I'm trying this new thing where I'm gonna do a

生活日记的新目标？

New goal in life journal?

获得访问权限

Get get is to get access to

一些日记本，得结合起来看。

some I journals and read gotta combine.

哦，没错，老兄。

Oh, yeah, dude.

我的日记太疯狂了。

My journals are crazy.

因为我从不写个人琐事。

Because I don't write about personal shit.

纯粹是关于哲学和比特币的内容。

Literally, it's just philosophy in Bitcoin.

我根本不写我的生活，这可能不是写日记的正确方式，但这些想法确实24小时不停地在我脑子里转。

Like, I don't I don't write about my life, which is probably not what you're supposed to do with the journal, but, like, those are the thoughts that go through my head twenty four seven.

你知道的。

You know?

我得把它们记在某个地方。

I gotta get them out somewhere.

但我打算每天早上走路去健身房时，用录音的方式把它们录下来。

But I'm gonna start just recording them by audio while I walk to the gym in the morning.

所以我会搞出一个特别糟糕的播客，全是十分钟的片段，气喘吁吁，汽车从旁驶过，随机想到一些关于比特币和哲学的东西。

So I'm gonna have, like, a really terrible podcast of just me ten minute episodes out of breath, cars running by, random thoughts about Bitcoin and philosophy.

所以，是吧，敬请期待吧。

So, yeah, look forward to that.

这个早上健身的事儿，是不是就像Arch Linux那样，得每五分钟就随口提一嘴？

Is this, like, morning gym thing, like an Arch Linux thing, like, where you have to just mention it, like, casually every five minutes?

顺便说一句，我用的是Arch。

Oh, I use Arch, by the way.

我早上六点去健身房。

I go to the gym at 6AM.

不。

No.

我只是刚开始做。

I'm just I'm just starting it.

我正在给自己打气。

I'm trying to pump myself up for it.

我为你感到骄傲，兄弟。

I'm proud of you, man.

我只是在偷师而已。

I'm just I'm just being a thief.

不。

No.

我可能能做到，因为我一辈子每天都坚持写日记和健身。

I'm probably gonna be able to do it because I I've both been a journaler and a gym guy my whole life, like every day.

我只是想把这两者结合起来。

I'm just trying to combine those

两个，我为你感到骄傲。

two I'm proud of you.

这实际上只会制造怨恨，因为我看到的只是我缺乏去健身房的反映。

It actually it actually just creates resentment because all I see is a reflection of my lack of going to the gym.

所以你代表了我身上所有错误的东西。

And so you represent everything that's wrong with me.

我从未开车去过健身房。

I have never driven to a gym.

我总是根据地理位置来选择住的地方，比如靠近健身房，我不会考虑其他任何地方。

I have always picked where I live based on Like, location to a I don't pick on any other location.

是啊，要成为一个健身达人真难。

Yeah, it's hard to just get getting west and West guy.

这只是

This is just

太糟糕了。

It's so bad.

我不会开车去附近的健身房。

I won't drive to my nearby gym.

不会。

No.

不，反正我不会开车，你呢？

No, I won't drive anyway, did you?

不会。

No.

我最近状态不错。

I've been good.

UTX Oracle 这些东西真是太棒了。

UTX Oracle stuff is just awesome.

我的意思是，我简直不敢相信它有多准确，而且我都没碰过它在池子里。

I mean, it's just I can't believe how accurate it is, and I haven't touched it in the pool.

我的程序一直待在 MIM 池里，连续三个月每分钟都输出完美的价格，我甚至都没碰过它。

My program just lives in the MIM pool and just cranks out the perfect price every minute for like three months now, and I haven't even touched it.

它甚至都没打过电话回家，也没给我寄明信片。

It hasn't even called home and hasn't sent me a postcard.

它就像住在内存池里的云服务器上，每分钟都给我发送正确的价格，而我根本没碰过它。

It's just like living in the mempool on a cloud server and just sends me the right price every minute, and I haven't done anything with it.

这真是太疯狂了。

It's pretty crazy.

这太棒了。

That's so amazing.

我喜欢这样。

I love that.

我知道。

I know.

那些垃圾信息，是的，我喜欢十分之一。

The spam stuff, yeah, I like one ten.

这只猫让我想到了很多有趣的想法，就像你们之前讨论的那样。

The cat had made me think of a lot of interesting thoughts as you guys have discussing.

这让我想起，无论怎样，比特币最终是由节点运行者决定的。

It reminded me that no matter what, Bitcoin is ultimately what the node runners decide Bitcoin is.

不管你是支持还是反对，没收这件事确实让我感到很不舒服。

Like, no matter if you're for and against it, the confiscation stuff definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

我确实认同这一点：那些进行小额交易的人已经明确告诉我们，他们根本无意把这些聪当作比特币货币来使用。

I did did like the point where these people who have done these dust transactions have essentially told us already that they have no intentions of using these sats as sats as Bitcoin money.

我认为这是我很认同的一个观点，但还是觉得有点奇怪。

I think that's probably the strongest point that I like, but it's still a little bit still feels a little bit weird.

是的。

Yeah.

哦，我有个问题要问Mechanic。

Oh, I have a question for Mechanic.

我一直以为，很久以前当Portland Hoddle提出那个原始BIP时，他是在开玩笑，意思是：你们不是讨厌垃圾信息吗？

I thought I had always thought that a long time ago when Portland Hoddle introduced that original BIP, I always thought that was kind of like a tongue in cheek joke as him being like, oh, you guys hate spam so much.

当然，你去吧。

Sure you go.

直接为你创建一个吧。

Just go ahead and create a bit for you.

你当初这么做时，是开玩笑的吗？

But was that like kind of a joke when you did that originally?

我不这么认为。

I don't think so.

他没问题。

He's Okay.

他一直在谈论毒块，据说这能解决毒块攻击，这可是相当恶劣的攻击方式。

He's been going on about poison blocks for a while, and it's supposed to fix put the poison block attack, which is pretty nasty.

我最初是反对的，但有人纠正了我，并指出了一个它可能造成严重后果的场景。

Initially, I was against it, and someone corrected me and pointed out a scenario where it can be pretty bad.

所以我对此并不十分确定，但我确信毒块会是件可怕的事情。

So I'm not super confident on here, but I'm pretty sure a poison block would be a horrible thing.

比如，如果你是个大矿工，我认为它的运作方式是生成一个让其他节点验证起来极其缓慢的区块。

Like, you really if you're a big miner, I think the way it works is you just generate a block that takes forever for other nodes to verify.

所以你只是为自己创造了一个优势，在网络其他节点无法处理的区块上进行挖矿。

So you just create an advantage for yourself mining on top of a block that the rest of the network chokes on, basically.

这比不告诉他们更有优势，因为如果他们是矿池节点，他们只是在持续不断地计算。

And that's has an advantage over just not telling them about it because if they're a mining pool node, they're they're kind of just grinding away.

节点会陷入冻结，而不是像往常一样继续正常运行。

The nodes kind of freeze as opposed to, like, carry on, like, normal operation.

杰夫，你好像对某件事很好奇。

Jeff, looks like you're curious about something there.

是的。

Yeah.

我本来没事。

I was Okay.

但难道不会增加毒块被拒绝的风险吗？

It just what would it not be would there not be a higher risk of of an a poison block being rejected?

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，它被拒绝的风险确实更高，但更大的问题是，当你让节点无谓地长时间停滞时，这会给网络带来健康风险。

I mean, there's a there's a higher risk of it being rejected, but, like, the bigger issue is just whenever you stall out nodes for an, you know, an unnecessarily long amount of time, it just presents kind of a a health risk to the network.

是的。

Yeah.

你不想让某些操作导致所有树莓派节点为一块他们根本无法解析的区块，连续运转两小时。

Like, you don't wanna be able to do something that makes all the Raspberry Pi nodes grind their gears for, like, two hours on a block they just can't figure out.

这对网络来说非常不健康。

That's that's really unhealthy for the network.

你知道这种占用CPU资源的机制是什么吗？通常，这种机制是多重签名。

Do you know if the mechanism for that the CPU resource hogging was I mean, usually, that mechanism is a multisig.

如果不使用Schnorr，多重签名会消耗大量处理时间。

Multisig takes a lot of processing time if you don't do it through Schnorr.

你知道这个机制吗？

Do you know the mechanism?

不知道。

No.

那怎么样？

How is that?

不。

No.

实际上，

Actually,

我可能在这方面是错的。

I could be wrong about this.

劳伦斯可能会纠正我，但我想说的是，v30 其实已经修复了这个问题。

Lawrence will probably correct me if I am, but I wanna say v 30 actually had a fix for that.

因为要么就是这个，要么就是另一个真正挺严重的bug，有一部分我觉得，哦，太好了。

Because it was either that or there was a different bug that was actually kinda serious, which part of me was like, oh, well, that's great.

这是一个不错的bug修复。

There's a good bug fix.

但另一部分我觉得，为什么你们要同时推送这种垃圾信息，让一件重要得多的事情被绑在这个非常政治化的问题上。

But then another part of me was like, well, why are you pushing this spam stuff at the same time and literally making something way more important be attached to this really political problem.

你知道吗？

You know?

为什么要把这两者放在一起？

Like, why are you putting these two together?

如果你真的关心网络，就不会希望垃圾信息问题决定你的毒块修复方案是否被采纳。

If you actually are genuinely concerned about the network, you wouldn't want to risk the spam issue determining whether or not your fix for poison blocks got adopted.

对我来说，这感觉像是听到的垃圾信息比比特币还多，而不是反过来。

Like, that's that that feels like hearing more about spam than you do about Bitcoin rather than the other way around to me.

但我想说的是，他在我们私下聊天中提到的就是毒块问题，以及构造一个计算上极其糟糕的区块的能力，这个问题一直存在，你需要精心构造它，而且并不太可能发生。

But but I wanna say I wanna say that was what it was that he was talking about in just our side chat was it was the poison block thing, and the ability to make a computationally horrible block that has kind of been around for, you have to construct it pretty carefully, and it's not like super likely.

但如果攻击者真想这么做，他们完全可以做到，这可能会引发巨大问题。

But if an attacker wanted to do that, they definitely could, it could cause a huge problem.

你知道，这本质上相当于对部分节点模拟了一千兆字节区块的问题。

You know, it's the equivalent of basically mimicking the problems of one gigabyte blocks for some subset of nodes Mhmm.

这是一种在不实际增加区块大小的情况下，却以相同方式增加负担的方法。

It's a way to without without actually increasing the block size, but but increasing the burden in in the same way.

是的。

Yeah.

这看起来几乎不可能有矿工恶意创建这样的区块，因为能够生产区块的人对比特币有极大的投入。

It just seems it seems so vanishingly unlikely that a a block producer would ever maliciously create something like that because people that are capable of producing blocks are very invested in Bitcoin.

这和Foundry明明有能力发动51%攻击却从不这么做是一个道理。

It's the same reason that Foundry don't 51% attack even though they can.

就像，他们为什么要这么做呢？

Like, they're just why would they do it?

如果他们这么做了，会把自己陷入巨大的麻烦。

They're gonna land themselves in so much hot war if they did.

而且这也不会给他们带来多少好处。

And it's not gonna do them much.

我的意思是，比特币会非常迅速地从这类攻击中恢复过来。

I mean, Bitcoin's gonna recovers from these kind of attacks so quickly.

是的。

Yeah.

而且，所有把算力指向你矿池的人，他们所挖矿和投资的资产价值会大幅下跌，他们如果发现是你干的，肯定会对你发怒，你肯定会面临诉讼。

And, like, all of the people pointing their hash rate to your pool are gonna have the value of the thing they're mining and invested in fall a lot, and they're gonna be mad at you if you do, and you're definitely gonna get a lawsuit.

所以，我不知道。

So, like, I don't know.

我认为，比特币实际上有一种保护机制，虽然这不是我们想要的，但人们并不想因为攻击网络而让自己陷入麻烦。

I think these like, Bitcoin's kind of got, like, this protection of, you know, it's not what we want, but people don't wanna open themselves up

通过攻击网络来惹上诉讼之类的问题。

to lawsuits and stuff by attacking the network.

所以有这么多不同的层面，有太多。

So There's so many different layers of the So many.

激励机制太多了。

Of the incentive So many.

为了保护比特币，协议层实际上已经受到保护了，因为所有节点都会做出反应之类的。

To protect that there's just like, like the protocol layer is essentially already protected because of the reaction to all the nodes or whatnot.

但问题在于，让我困扰的是，像这样的行为造成的破坏会是它实际需要的十倍，因为我们自己并没有在构建自己的区块。

But see, the thing is is that what bugs me is that think something like that would do 10 times as much damage as it needs to because we're not building our own Block 10 plates.

如果网络上有70%的矿工都在构建自己的模板并运行自己的节点，这种情况根本不可能发生。

It just couldn't happen if 70% of miners on the network were all building their own templates and running their own nodes.

但这不会让奇怪的区块更有可能出现吗？

Well, doesn't that make weird blocks more likely?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这会让它更有可能发生。

I think that makes it more likely.

有更多人具备创建这种模板的能力。

Just have more people to create that have the ability to create that kind of template.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

我也这么认为。

I think so.

我想这应该就是这种情况，我的想法是，在51%攻击的背景下，Foundry本身并不想这么做，但如果Foundry真的这么做了，就会引发巨大问题，因为你有六个节点，可以这样生成每一个区块，并持续大量注入，直到所有人都撤回他们的系统。

I guess this would be this one so my thinking was, I guess in the context of like a 51% attack is that like Foundry Foundry wouldn't want to do it, but if Foundry actually did it, it could cause a huge problem, because you've got six, you could do every block this way, and you could just flood it with this until everybody pulled their things away.

但从 poison block 出现的可能性来看，技术上来说情况会更糟。

But I guess in the context of, like, what's the likelihood of a poison block showing up, it would tech technically be worse.

但我当时想的是，这种持续性的攻击意图，比如对的。

But I was thinking about it in the context of, like, a sustained attack of trying to, like Right.

确实如此。

Really Yeah.

我认为比特币

I think Bitcoin

在这方面和其他任何事物都一样。

is like it's like everything else in this regard.

如果它在政府眼中被合法化并被允许运营，人们就会暂时产生一种虚假的安全感，因为所有人都必须遵守法律，不会做那些明显像攻击的蠢事，而比特币所有的博弈论前提也因此被忽略，因为它们不再相关了。

If if it becomes legit legitimized in the eyes of the state and allowed to operate, and then you enjoy a false sense of security for a while because everyone has to operate within the law and doesn't do silly things that look like obvious attacks, and all the game theory stuff about Bitcoin is you ignore it because it's not relevant anymore.

这并不是说，如果Foundry拥有51%的算力，他们就不会因为自己的地位而做出恶意行为。

It's not like, if Foundry had 51%, they wouldn't do anything malicious with it because of their position.

但他们不会这么做的原因在于这是可以被腐蚀的。

But the reason they wouldn't do that is a corruptible thing.

是政府、律师之类的力量最终会迫使他们做出对比特币有害的事情。

It's governments and lawyers and things like that that would come after them who eventually end up coercing them into doing something that's bad for Bitcoin.

这就是为什么这不可持续。

That's why it's not sustainable.

对吧？

Right?

这和其他一切事情都一样。

It's the same as everything else.

比如，有人需要做点什么，通过一项法律来禁止我们不喜欢的这种行为，结果却造就了一个保姆式国家，而这个保姆国家带来的危害比你原本想防止的问题还要大。

Like, someone needs to do something, pass a law against this this thing we don't like, you end up with a nanny state, and then the nanny state does more harm than the initial thing you were trying to prevent.

所以比特币必须始终依赖自我监管，而目前它并没有自我监管，因为它没有受到自身规则的约束。

So that's why Bitcoin has to always resort to self regulation, and it's not self regulating at the moment because it's not being kept in check by its own rules.

它现在是被一个外部系统所约束，这个系统说：别做坏事。

It's being kept in check by an external system that says don't do naughty things.

每个人都说，好吧。

And everyone says, alright.

我们不会做坏事，尽管像Foundry这样的公司完全有能力，Antpool也绝对可以现在就对网络造成破坏，并找到方法为自己谋利。

We won't do naughty things even though like, Foundry can totally Antpool can definitely wreak havoc on the network right now and find a way to do it for their own benefit.

这只是一个问题，当中共说：好吧。

And it's it's just a case of when the CCP says, alright.

现在是时候了。

Now is the time.

是时候扰乱一切了。

Time to disrupt everything.

但它们尚未行动，并不是因为比特币有多了不起。

But the fact that they haven't is is not that's not Bitcoin being amazing.

这只不过是蜜月期，国家的态度是：好吧。

It's just the honeymoon period where the state is like, alright.

我们允许这个东西存在，但现在还不打算展示我们的实力。

We'll let this thing exist, and we're not gonna flex our muscles just yet.

但到了某个时候，这种情况就会不可避免地变得腐败。

But at some point, it like, you can't that becomes a thing that just inevitably becomes corrupted.

所有监管比特币的机构都被告知：你们必须实施OFAC合规。

All the institutions keeping Bitcoin in check become told, look, you have to implement OFAC compliance.

老实说，这已经逐渐成为现实。

And to be honest, that is already, like, becoming a thing.

看起来我们侥幸躲过了一劫，Mara实施了OFAC合规，然后说：好吧。

It looked like we dodged a bullet with Mara doing OFAC compliance and then saying, alright.

我们不会再这么做了。

We're not gonna do it anymore.

但它会回来的。

But it's coming back.

这是一件事。

It's a thing.

现在有一些交易因为政府不喜欢而被排除在区块之外，但对此却没有任何声音，也没有任何担忧。

There are transactions getting left out of blocks now that governments don't like, and there is zero noise about it, zero concern.

这本来就是必然会发生的事，这就是说‘没人敢51%攻击它，因为会被起诉’所带来的丑陋后果。

And that was always going to be a thing, and that's the ugliness that comes as a result of saying, well, no one's gonna 51% attack it because they get sued.

好吧。

Alright.

你真的想要一种比特币，人们如果足够强大就可以51%攻击它，而且他们确实会这么做，而他们不这么做的原因根本不存在，因为没人知道他们是谁。

Well, you really want a Bitcoin where people can 51% attack it and would if they were big enough, but and their reason not to doesn't exist because no one knows who they are.

这才是强大而坚韧的比特币。

Like, that's strong resilient Bitcoin.

对吧？

Right?

但我们还远未达到那种状态。

But we're just not there.

只有通过Ocean才能达到那种状态，但在变好之前情况会变得更糟，因为你开放了匿名攻击的可能性，然后你就必须在网络层面真正应对这些攻击，而不是简单地说：‘哦，你有30%的算力，但没关系，我们只要起诉你就行。’

And ocean's the only way to get there, but it gets worse before it gets better because you you open it up to anonymous attacks, and then you have to actually deal with them at the network level rather than just say, oh, well, you have 30% of the hash rate, but it doesn't matter because we'll just sue you if you mess with us.

我们必须不能再这样做了。

We need to not be able to do that.

所以我们必须让自己暴露在攻击之下，才能找到真正的防御方法。

So we have to open ourselves up to attack so we can come up with a proper defense.

你提到了Mara。

You said Mara.

对吧？

Right?

那不包含这些交易的决定必须由Mara个人来做，而不是由其他人替她决定，因为已经有很多人指手画脚了。

That that's gotta be on Mara's personal decision to not include those transactions instead of somebody There's plenty telling

他们。

them.

对吧？

Right?

比如美国的实体之类的。

Like US entities and stuff like that.

我并不是在指责Mara。

I'm not pointing the finger at Mara.

哦，抱歉。

Oh, sorry.

好的。

Okay.

玛拉是多年前做这件事的人，他们实际上并没有……哦，对了。

Mara's the one that did it years ago, and they didn't actually Oh, right.

遵守。

Comply.

他们只是将他们的区块标记为OFAC合规。

They just labeled their blocks as OFAC compliant.

在他们真正将这一点实施到他们的模板之前，他们就停止了。

And before they ever actually implemented that in their templates, they stopped.

所以，对。

So Right.

那确实是。

That was yeah.

但我们肯定会遇到一种情况，有些人会个人决定不在他们的区块模板中包含某些交易，你知道的。

But we're definitely going to have a situation where people just personally are not going to include transactions in their block template, you know.

所以，我们预期的未来就是，每个人都会某种程度上审查他们放入区块的交易。

So it's like that's kind of the future we expect is that everyone will be kind of censoring which transactions they put in their blocks.

对吧？

Right?

嗯。

Yeah.

它的本意是没有任何意义。

And it's meant to mean nothing.

它的本意是，比特币在理想状态下就是：谁在乎呢？

It's meant to be the Bitcoin in its ideal state just means who cares?

然后你的交易就会在下一个区块中被包含，因为那里有足够的矿工和区块生产者，机会总是有的。

Then you just get in the next block with your transaction because there's enough miners and block producers out there with the chance.

但现在的情况是，如果蚂蚁矿池的话。

But now it's like if Antpool yeah.

当然，如果安池和Foundry不喜欢，世界上只有大约十几个实体能真正把你的交易打包进链上。

Of course, if Antpool and Foundry don't like it, there's only a like, you've only got a dozen entities in the world that can actually put your transaction in the chain.

没错。

And Yeah.

你知道，你的钱其实并不重要。

You know, and your money isn't really relevant.

他们不在乎错过一美元的交易费，因为他们很敏感。

They don't care if they miss a dollar in transaction fees because they sensitive.

没错。

Yeah.

这正是我想说的，问题是，如果世界上只有七个实体或类似数量的实体在决定哪些交易能进入区块，那就会产生巨大影响，而且确实令人担忧——究竟谁有资格做这个决定。

That's that's what I was about to get at, is that the problem is that, like, if there's only seven entities in the world or whatever that are deciding what gets into blocks, then it does make a huge difference, and it's a huge concern over, you know, which ones which ones get to decide.

但如果你有一十万个人在运行节点和挖矿，他们都在决定自己的区块模板里包含什么交易，那么任何个体的决定都无关紧要，因为你只需要等下一个区块，最终你会实现区块内容的去中心化，从而具备抗审查性。

But if if you have a 100,000 people running nodes and mining and they're all making decisions as to what to put into their block templates, then basically any individual decision is of no consequence because it's one block that you wait for, and you're inevitably going to have you have a decentralization of what to to put into blocks, and thus you basically have censorship resistance.

但如果只有七到十个实体生产了98%的区块，那你就很容易去敲开这十扇门，说：‘你们就是别把它们放进区块里，不管你介不介意。’

But if there's seven or 10 entities that produce 98% of blocks, that's really easy to go knock on 10 doors and say, you're just not going to put them in the blocks whether you care or not.

而且在Brain的《比特币挖矿指南》中，他们谈到了Datum和Stratum v2，这本书简直太棒了。

And there was one thing that, in Brain's Bitcoin Mining Guide, they talk about Datum and Stratum v two, which the book is fantastic, by the way.

这是一本非常非常好的入门读物，全面解析了整个机制。

A really, really good primer on, like, the whole the whole breakdown.

但我得说，书里有一小节，这个章节其实也很棒，但我记不清这个章节的名字了，操。

But but I will say they the there is a there is a little section in it that actually, this chapter is really good too, but it's the it's the one on I can't remember the name of this chapter or shit.

但他们提到的一点是，矿工没有动机去攻击网络，这就是为什么Stratum v2和Datum没有被优先考虑，区块模板构建或分发这一侧也没有被充分去中心化，因为人们能对它做出极快的响应。

But it one of the things they talk about is that miners have no incentive to basically attack the network, which is why stratum v two and datum aren't being prioritized or or the the block template construction or distribution side of it isn't being super distributed because people can respond to it so quickly.

在直接且暴力的51%攻击背景下，我确实有点认同，是的，人们会迅速下线。

And I I do kind of agree in the context of, like, a a direct and violent 51% attack on the network, is that, yeah, people would just log out super fast.

但我认为更大的风险和担忧是那种安静的攻击——即OFAC不合规的交易只是悄无声息地不被包含进区块。

But I think the risk and the the greater concern is the quiet one, is the one where OFAC non compliant transactions just quietly don't get put in.

根本没人意识到这是一次攻击，这种机制我还没深入研究过，但可能有人在暗示，而且可能已经有证据表明，这种事情此刻正在发生，只是没人知道。

Nobody even knows it's an attack, which mechanic I haven't I haven't looked at this, but mechanic may be suggesting, and there may be evidence that this is literally going on right now and just nobody knows it.

因为这种情况确实发生了，如果没人自己构建区块，而50%的算力悄悄决定不包含这些交易，那么这些交易就不会被包含，而成千上万、数百万、上千万，甚至可能高达十亿美元的挖矿基础设施，本无意对比特币进行审查，却在毫不知情的情况下参与了审查。

I I because it just happened, and if nobody's building their own blocks, and, you know, 50% of the hash power is quietly just deciding that these transactions don't included, don't get included, then they don't get included, and thousands, millions, tens of millions, maybe a billion dollars worth of mining infrastructure that has no intention to censor anything in Bitcoin will be censoring without their knowledge.

而且，这对我来说是个巨大的问题。

And like, that is a huge problem to me.

所以我认为这里有一个中间步骤。

So I I think there's like an intermediate step here.

也许问题不在于看到这些矿工没有包含交易的区块，这并不那么令人担忧。

Maybe that's where so it's not the flag that something's going on that's like worrisome is not so much seeing blocks from these guys where they failed to put transactions in.

真正值得关注的是，他们故意选择不基于那些包含交易的区块继续构建。

It's seeing that they've intentionally decided not to build on a block that did have the transactions in them.

所以，是的。

So like I Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

这是个好观点。

That's a good point.

这正是我认为我们应该留意的事情。

That's kinda that's what I think we should kinda be on the lookout for.

你有没有看到过这种机制的证据？

Have you seen any evidence of that mechanic?

没有。

No.

而且这样做在大多数情况下成本高得难以置信，没错。

And that's that's unbelievably expensive to do Yeah.

在大多数情况下。

In most circumstances.

你真的必须得——你必须直接这么做，这简直就是51%攻击，除非你拥有51%的算力，否则这么做就是在进行一场巨大的赌博。

You really have to be you have you have to just put that's literally a 51% attack, and it's unless you have 51%, you're taking a massive gamble doing that.

没错。

Yeah.

我刚才说的是那种协调行为，就像盖伊说的，如果安特、格洛和朋友们还有Foundry全都联合起来的话。

I was talking about the coordinated thing, like Guy was saying, if like, you know, Ant Glo and Friends and Foundry all get together.

没错。

Yeah.

在我看来，当把这些放在‘大收割’以及其他正在发生的事情的背景下来看时，一切都变得可怕多了。

It seems to me that that all of this becomes much more scary when you put it in context of, you know, like, the great taking and and whatever else is going on.

如果你拥有这些容易受到政治压力影响的中心化实体，同时又有一套政治机器在说：‘哦，是的。’

If you've got if you've got these sort of centralized entities that can that are subject to political pressure, and you've got this machinery of politics that is trying to say, oh, yeah.

他们一边声称喜欢比特币，一边却在为世界上其他一切东西构建陷阱。

We like Bitcoin, trying to, you know, like, kind of embrace it at the same time as they are building a trap for literally everything else in the world.

你根本什么都拥有不了。

Like, you you're not gonna own shit.

所以当他们……我记不清了。

And so so when they I can't remember.

我最近听某人说过。

I was listening to somebody recently.

当他们启动这个陷阱时，这无疑是推行央行数字货币的终极方式——哦，为了拯救经济，你可以随便怎么称呼它。

Like, when they spring this trap, like, this is the ultimate way to usher in a CBDC is that, oh, you know, in order to save the economy and you, you know, call it whatever you want.

他们不必非得称之为央行数字货币。

They don't have to call it a CBDC.

但为了拯救经济，所有这些大型机构现在都已资不抵债。

But in order to save the economy, all these major institutions are are, you know, now insolvent.

我们只能没收你所有的资产，但会以美联储账户的形式还给你，或者你愿意怎么叫都行。

We're just gonna have to seize all of your assets and everything, but we'll give it back to you in, you know, a a fed Federal Reserve account or what you know, whatever you wanna call it.

对吧？

Right?

所以，每个有房贷的人，每个拥有房屋、银行账户等的人，现在所有东西都被这个中心化系统担保了。

And and so everybody that has a mortgage, everybody that has, you know, like, literally every house, every every bank account, everything is insured by this centrally controlled thing now.

如果与此同时，他们还能让比特币看起来像某种不可靠的东西，那就再也没有资金外逃了。

And if at the same time they can disrupt and make Bitcoin, like, look like some sort of unreliable thing, then there's no more flight.

再也没有安全的避风港了。

There's no flight to safety.

如果他们能同时施加压力、控制局势并制造混乱，那就再也没有退出的途径了。

There's no there's no exit valve if they can if they can, you know, pressure people and control things at the you know, disrupt things at the same time.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

事实上，关于这一点，我们的一个新闻是克里斯蒂娜·拉加德发布了一段圣诞祝福视频。

In fact, on that, one of our news items is actually Christine Lagarde talking about she did a video, a a Merry Christmas video.

2025年充满挑战和艰辛，但我想对你们说一声圣诞快乐，我们正全力推进数字欧元的落地。

So 2025 has been there's a lot of challenges and hard work, but I want you to say Merry Christmas, and we are full on our way to having a digital euro for you.

这是在12月24日，我们正拼命推进，尽管根本没人要求这个。

It's on December 24, and we're we're pushing hard to get it like, anybody's asking for this.

在X平台上发布这种内容，真是让人觉得这些人完全不懂人情世故。

Like, to post this on X, which was so like, the the tone deafness of these people is so bizarre.

因为——也许是我的算法问题——但我看到的全是评论，比如‘你这个该死的暴君’。

Because I didn't I mean, maybe it's my algorithm, but I read nothing but comments like, you stupid fucking tyrant.

简直全是网友朝这位女士扔番茄的场面。

Like, it just it was nothing but just people throwing tomatoes at this lady.

而她却在说：圣诞快乐。

And she's like, Merry Christmas.

希望大家都过得很愉快。

Hope everybody has a great time.

我们要推进数字欧元。

We're gonna go for a digital euro.

我们要大力推动它。

We're gonna push it really hard.

我们要让它通过。

We're gonna get it through.

他们还在谈论他们的试点项目，以及随时可能全面实施。

And they're talking about, like, their pilot program and full implementation coming any day now.

天哪，老兄。

And it's like, Jesus, man.

既然人们可能会被审查，我不禁想，如果你能控制国王听到的信息，那么民众怎么想就无关紧要了。

Since people can be targeted with censorship, I wonder how much of this like like, if you can control what the king hears, then then it doesn't matter what people think.

对吧？

Right?

比如，如果所有人都围绕着特朗普，如果所有过滤器都专门过滤掉特朗普接触到任何反对以色列战争或轰炸伊朗之类内容的信息。

Like like, if everybody's surrounding Trump, if if all of the filters that like, somebody's able to actually filter Trump's speed specifically so that he gets no contact with anything that is, like, against, you know, the the Israel's war or bombing Iran or whatever.

他们甚至直接除掉了查理·柯克，他可是大力游说反对对伊朗开战的关键人物。

And they literally killed Charlie Kirk, who was, like, the major guy that was lobbying for this you know, against the war in Iran or whatever.

如果他们真的能孤立那些对支持和推动这些事至关重要的个人，因为有些人对你们在互联网上看到和接触到的内容拥有巨大控制权，这些人是不是得到了特殊算法的优待？

Like, if they can literally just isolate the individual people that are critical to supporting and promoting these things because there are people that have massive control over what you see and have access to on the Internet, like, are these people getting special algorithms?

她只是真的完全没感觉吗？这种迟钝是故意的吗？她真的完全没意识到？

Is she just really like, if the tone deafness, like, by design, like, and she just has no idea?

我不确定。

Like, I don't know.

就像

It's like

这是个好问题。

That's a good question.

她真的能收到这些评论吗？

Does she actually get any of those comments?

就像，你知道的，这对她来说是看不见的吗？

Like, you know, it's like, is it just invisible to her?

否则的话，为什么她不会害怕呢？我是说，她为什么不会感到恐惧？

Because otherwise, why wouldn't why I mean, why wouldn't she be terrified?

这些评论简直太疯狂了。

Like, the the comments are so crazy.

这些内容下面的评论串都这么糟糕，为什么这样的人不会说‘天啊’呢？

Like, the the string of comments under most of these things are so bad Why wouldn't somebody like that just be like, oh my god.

什么？

What?

你知道的？

You know?

就像，这些是那种寻求认同的人。

Like like, they these are the sort of, like, approval seeking people.

这就是算法给我展示的内容。

This is what the algorithm shows me.

西蒙·迪克森，欧洲央行2026年的礼物，一种央行数字货币。

Simon Dixon, 2026 gift from the European Central Bank, a CBDC.

享受吧。

Enjoy.

笑脸。

Laughy face.

某个随机的人。

Some some random person.

努力破坏欧洲。

Hard work to destroy Europe.

谢谢。

Thanks.

圣诞快乐，克里斯汀。

It's Merry Christmas, Christine.

来吧。

Come on.

说出这些话。

Say the words.

然后展示一张图表，显示欧元价值的通胀和急剧下跌。

Then a picture of a chart of the inflation of the value the plummeting value of €1.

你这工作干得太差了。

You suck at your job.

希望的2026年是克里斯蒂娜·拉加德和另一位女士被关进监狱。

A hopeful 2026 is Christine Lagarde and the other the other lady behind bars.

滚蛋吧，你这个腐败的全球主义者。

F off, you corrupt globalist.

去你的数字身份和央行数字货币。

F your digital ID at CBDC.

这叫圣诞节，婊子。

It's called Christmas, bitch.

圣诞快乐。

Merry Christmas.

这可是个基督教节日，看在上帝的份上。

It's a Christian holiday for god's sake.

欧元，就像那些人踩在靴子上一样。

Euro, like, dudes stepping on a boot.

一个欧元上有两个被锁链锁住的兄弟，一个欧元上有摄像头，还有一个欧元上有被关在牢里的人。

A euro with two people two two brothers in chains, a euro with a camera on it, and a euro with somebody behind bars.

这整个就是正能量的假象，其实就是皇帝本人。

This is the whole good vibes, and it's it's the emperor.

这根本不是恐怖或嘲讽。

Like, it's not horror and and ridicule.

杰夫，你肯定有点天真了。

Gotta be some naivete on your part, Jeff.

这全是表演，就像木偶戏一样。

It's all performative, like puppetry.

我

I'm

在这儿，是的。

here Yeah.

去做一个替罪羊的工作，为一个反民粹主义的议程服务，而这个议程大多数人都不想要，它服务的是那些让我身处此位的人——无论是我想维持的特权，还是我被勒索，但他们的任务就是站出来被憎恨。

To do a job, which is to be the fall guy for an agenda that is anti populist, that most people don't want, that serves the people that got me in this position, whether it's, you know, my privilege that I wanna maintain and do their bidding or whether I'm under blackmail, but their job is to get up there and be hated.

是的。

Yeah.

这就是为什么当他们对格蕾塔·通贝里这样的人这么做时，是不公平的，因为现在我们都不得不憎恨一个该死的14岁女孩。

Which is why when they do it with like Greta Thunberg and people, is unfair because now we all have to hate a freaking 14 year old girl.

这太不公平了。

This is this is unfair.

我不喜欢被置于这种必须攻击别人的境地，尤其是当他们树立起一个象征性人物时。

Like, I don't I don't appreciate being put in this position where I have to attack, you know, when they make the figurehead.

这就是为什么他们总是用女性新闻发言人之类的人，因为你就没法对这些人发疯。

This is why they always use female press secretaries and stuff because it's like, you you just can't you can't go nuts at these people.

而且他们被安排在那里，正是出于这个目的。

Like and they're put there specifically for that reason.

我想说一件让我觉得特别好笑的事，就是我刚一直往下滚动，读了第一条评论。

I wanna say something that's really, really funny to me is that the first comment I just kept scrolling, just reading.

第一条友善的评论写着‘圣诞快乐’，还配了棵圣诞树，是个XRP支持者。

The first comment that is nice is it says Merry Christmas with a Christmas tree, and it's an XRP supporter.

当然了，这很合理。

Of course, it is.

我觉得这太棒了。

I just thought that was great.

当我发现普通人对通货膨胀有普遍的理解，比如印钱会导致通胀时，我会想到这一点。

Something I think about when it seems like the normal person has an understanding general understanding of inflation, like printing money causes inflation.

但在普通人的脑海里，他们想到的是物理意义上的印钱。

But in the general person's mind, they think of printing money physically.

对吧？

Right?

他们想到的是实实在在地印制美元。

They think of, like, physically printing dollars.

而且他们也知道，对于任何数字事物来说，复制粘贴都是个问题。

And and then but they and they also know that, like, copy paste is a problem with anything digital.

但他们的脑海中却出现了一种非常奇怪的想法：认为从纸质货币转向数字货币，就剥夺了印钞的能力。

Yet this really strange thing happens in their mind is they think by going from printed money to digital money, you've taken away the ability to print the money.

但我不知道你们有没有注意到这一点，这就像……

But the I don't know if you guys noticed this or not, but it's like

那里确实存在某种脱节，很奇怪。

there is some sort of a disconnect there, it's weird.

他们觉得因为是电脑上的东西，就没那么容易印出来了。

It's like they're like oh because it's a computer, it won't be able to be printed as easily.

就像他们认为，如果不是实体的，就更难制造更多。

Like they think it's harder to make more of if it's not physical.

而且简直就像，你知道吗，比特币的工作方式恰恰符合你对数字货币的想象。

And it's almost like, you know what, Bitcoin works exactly how you think digital money should work.

但你有没有也注意到这一点呢？

But like, but do you notice that too?

人们不知为何认为，政府发行数字货币比发行实物货币更难？

People think some for some reason, digital money is harder to print for the government than physical money?

没有。

No.

我从来没注意到这一点。

I've never noticed that.

你没注意到吗？

You haven't noticed that?

是不是这太愚蠢了，我根本没跟上？

Is it just too stupid for me to have ever caught up on?

我肯定这真的很愚蠢。

I'm sure it's really stupid.

因为人们会说：如果是数字的，他们怎么印？怎么印出来？

Because people are like, how are they gonna print how are they gonna print it if it's digital?

就像，这通常是人们会说的话。

Like, that's what people usually say.

梅尔。

Mel.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我想我知道至少我注意到一件事，那就是他们不是觉得不能印，而是因为在数字环境中太隐蔽了，他们看不到它被印出来。

I I I think I at know least I have a thing that feels like that that I pick up on, and I think it's not that they don't think you can print it, it's that it's so obscure in the digital environment because they don't see it being printed.

他们转移任何东西时，都会觉得，很明显，钱从这个人账户扣掉了，然后到了我的账户。

They move anything, it's like, well, clearly, it got deducted from this guy's account, and it went to my account.

当我的账户被扣款时，钱就到了另一个人的账户。

And then when it gets deducted from my account, it goes to this other person's account.

所以这太抽象了，他们根本不懂钱是怎么被创造出来的，或者在哪里被创造的。

So it's so so abstract, like and they just don't understand how or where it's created.

当我告诉人们，钱是凭空以债务形式创造出来的时，大多数人不相信。

When I tell people that that money is created as debt out of thin air, they most people don't believe it.

大多数人根本不

Lose that Most people just don't

认为事情是这样的。

think that that's how it works.

还有多少人认为美元与黄金挂钩？实际数据是多少？

What's the actual stats for how many people still think the US dollar is backed by gold?

这是个好问题。

That's a good question.

我敢肯定，大约有40%的人仍然这么认为。

I'm sure that's like 40% of people actually think that.

我小时候，我爸爸说，这张20英镑的钞票可以去英格兰银行兑换20英镑的银子。

Like, when I grew up, my dad was like 70 this £20 note means you can go to the Bank of England and pull out £20 worth of silver.

他这样告诉我，把我养大，现在可能还这么想。

He told me that, raised me that way, and probably still thinks that.

我跟他说，你知道吗？这早就不是真的了，至少在你有生之年就不是了。

And I'm like, you know that hasn't been true for like your life.

哦，很久了。

Oh, long.

已经好几年了。

It's been like years.

很长时间了。

Long time.

或者

Or

不是六十，我想。

not sixty, I guess.

什么？

What?

五十五。

Fifty five.

是的。

Yeah.

我还记得大萧条之前的事。

I remember back before the great depression also.

好的。

Okay.

2019年Genesis Mining的一项研究很有趣，称有29%到30%的人认为美元仍以黄金为支撑。

A 2019 study by Genesis Mining, that's interesting, said 30% 29%, 29 to 30, thought the dollar is still backed by gold.

脱离了黄金

Left the gold

标准，是的。

standard Yeah.

我明白了。

I see it.

29%到30%。

29 to 30%.

是的。

Yeah.

所以只有30%。

So just 30%.

2019年。

Twenty nineteen.

30%。

30%.

是的。

Yeah.

但这是有意为之的。

But this is intentional.

对吧？

Right?

我不是在责怪人们。

I'm not blaming the people.

经济无知是故意造成的。

Economic illiteracy is much intentional.

有意的。

Intentional.

几百年前有个人说过什么话来着？

And what was that quote from someone hundreds of years ago?

如果人们了解我们的银行体系是如何运作的，政客们早就被吊死在绞架上了，就在二十四小时内。

If people understood how our banking works, the politicians will be hanging by their neck within So twenty four

百分之三十，百分之三十的人还认为它由黄金支撑。

thirty percent thirty percent leaves thinks it's still backed by gold.

剩下百分之七十。

That leaves a 70%.

我敢打赌，在这百分之七十中，有百分之九十的人认为它由纸币支撑。

I would bet 60% or I would bet of that 70%, 90% of that thinks it's backed by paper.

他们以为银行里的每个支票账户美元都有对应的纸币。

They think there's a dollar bill for every checking account dollar in the bank.

是的。

Yeah.

这可能至少是我猜，至少是两倍。

It's probably it's at least I bet we bet it's at least twice that.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这可不是中智梗。

So this isn't the midwit meme.

这实际上是钟形曲线左侧的人比中智者还要愚蠢。

This is literally the left of bell curve is even stupider than the midwits.

是的。

Yeah.

这可能就是为什么他们认为你必须实际印钞票才会导致通货膨胀，因为他们以为银行账户里的每个数字都有一张纸币对应。

And that's and that's probably why they think you literally have to print the money physically in order there for there to be inflation because they think there's paper one to one backing numbers and checking accounts.

是的。

Yeah.

因为从技术上讲，你可以去

Because technically, you can go to

银行把纸币取出来。

the bank and you can get paper out.

所以显然，银行里有与之对应的纸币，这是显而易见的。

So obviously, there's paper in the bank that corresponds to Obviously.

对应每一美元。

To the dollar.

而且还有卡车不停地运送纸币。

And there's trucks running paper around nonstop.

那些半数的卡车里都装满了纸币，老兄。

Half those Mac trucks are just full of paper notes, man.

这些算法一直在向我推荐一些人，他们真的、真的相信性别或种族之间没有任何生物学差异，然后他们还跟真正的生物学家之类的人对话，对方就说：呃，是啊。

The the algorithms have been showing me people who truly, like, in the weirdest, like they truly believe that there's no biological difference between sexes or races, and and then they're having conversations with, like, actual, like, biologists and stuff, and they're like, ah, yeah.

你知道，世界已经超越了你那些种族主义观念。

Well, you know, the the world's moved beyond your, you know, racist beliefs.

而且，他们就是这种直接的精神操控，简直疯狂。

And and, like, they're just, like, this straight gaslighting, like, insanity.

所以对此，我知道，嗯，没错。

And so with that, I you know, like, yep.

他们可能对钱有任何荒谬的信念，我已经不知道该信什么了。

They might believe anything about money and not just I don't know anymore.

事情真的太离谱了。

Like, stuff's so crazy.

我认为从现在开始，我们应该这样来表述。

I think that's the way we should frame it from now on.

我真的很喜欢你说的，算法正在向我展示。

I really like how you the algorithms are showing me.

这就是我们不应该把世界描述成它本来的样子的方式。

That's how that's how all of our not don't describe the world as it is.

别再说什么，你知道的，这就是新闻里正在发生的事之类的。

Don't be like like, this is what, you know, this is what's happening in the news or whatever.

嗯，算法给我展示的是

Well, the algorithms are showing me

这件事发生了。

this happened.

嗯，但它确实是有波动的。

Well, it's it but it does come in waves.

就像，它并不是

Like, it's not

哦，确实是。

Oh, it does.

完全就是这样。

Totally does.

对。

Yeah.

但，这并不是真实的生活。

But, like, this is not it's not real life.

我是说，我不觉得这仅仅是最近我偶然看到过几次的情况。

Like, I don't this is just, you know, what I've seen a number a handful of times lately.

但我的意思是，这些确实是真实的访谈，所以这就显得很奇怪。

It's but, I mean, they are real interviews, so it's like a it's just weird.

你知道的，这只是世界上某个角落的情况，希望这只是一个极端的例子。

Like, you know, like, it's just some corner of the world that, you know, is hopefully an extreme.

这太搞笑了，老兄。

This is hilarious, dude.

我刚刚发了条推文，内容是关于有多少比例的美国人认为美元以黄金为支撑。

I just tweeted the AI response about what percentage of Americans think the dollar is backed by gold.

简直难以想象，这么一大群人会对如此关乎他们生活核心的事情产生如此严重的误解。

That's just it's just unfathomable to me that everyone such a large group of people could be so wrong about something so central central to their lives.

这可是钱啊。

Like, this is money.

所有人都在想钱。

All anyone thinks about is money.

而且

And

你甚至不知道自己口袋里装的是什么。

You don't even know what the hell you have in your pocket.

对于那些说比特币没人会用、比特币不会成功，因为没人理解它如何运作的人，

And for people who say that Bitcoin that nobody's ever gonna use Bitcoin or Bitcoin's not gonna work because nobody understands how it works.

这就像，老兄，30%的人还相信美元由黄金支撑呢，你这个笨蛋。

It's like, dude, 30% of the people still think the gold dollars back by gold, you moron.

你知道吗？成功和你是否理解它根本毫无关系。

And you know what the and success clearly has nothing to do with whether or not you understand it.

这不就是矛盾吗？

That's the contradiction, isn't it?

因为你可以这么说：30%的美国人对美元的本质有着最荒谬的误解，而99%的美国人却认为比特币是骗局。

Because you can say 30% of Americans have the most false belief possible about what the dollar is, and 99% of Americans also think Bitcoin is nonsense in a Ponzi scheme.

所以当你把这两组数据放在一起对比时，简直令人震惊。

So when you juxtapose these two stats, it's just horrific.

就像你知道的，这就像墨菲斯。

Like, you know, it's it's Morpheus.

大多数人还没有准备好解放他们的思想。

Like, most of the people are not ready to have their minds freed.

那我们该怎么做呢？

Like, it's just how do we do it?

是的。

Yeah.

如果你把金钱放在政治宇宙的中心，所有的政策就开始变得合理了。

Well, if you you put money at the center of the political universe, all the policies start to make sense.

对吧？

Right?

因为现在关税在某种程度上是用来暂时应对三角困境的，你可以通过利用这种困境并实施关税来暂时增强美元的强势。

Because now the tariffs are in a way to temporarily address the trip and like, you can you can create temporary strength in the dollar by leveraging the tripping dilemma and and by implementing tariffs.

所以他们已经失去了一些盟友，比如沙特阿拉伯不再 exclusively 以美元出售石油。

And so they've just lost a handful like, Saudi Arabia is no longer selling oil exclusively for dollars.

所以这就是他们必须攻击俄罗斯和委内瑞拉的原因——如果你能击垮俄罗斯并推翻它，那么这个BRICS的重要成员、不再以美元体系出售石油的国家就被瓦解了，整个BRICS体系也就崩溃了。

And so this is why they have to attack Russia and Venezuela because if you can break Russia and overthrow Russia, now you have a major the BRICS major BRICS participant that provides oil no longer selling oil outside of the dollar regime, you could break the entire BRICS regime.

对吧？

Right?

所以，他们所做的一切都与货币有关。

So so, like, everything they're doing is monetary related.

有趣的是，这其实也解释了以色列对美国的影响力，因为以色列需要——他们就像是看护者。

And it's actually what's funny is this actually explains Israel's influence over The US too is because Israel needs they're they're a nannies.

他们是一个社会主义的、基于民族的国家，他们的社会主义政府无法独立存在。

Like, they they are a socialist, like, ethnostate, and their socialist government cannot exist.

如果美元不够强劲，无法支付他们所有的开销，大以色列的社会主义体制就无法维持。

Greater Israel socialist Greater Greater Israel cannot exist if they don't have the dollar strong enough to pay for all of their crap.

因此，他们必须进行操控，以摆脱特里芬难题；他们需要一种外部货币来补贴自己的行为，然后还得去摧毁所有不以美元出售石油的政权。

And so they need to manipulate in in order to escape the Trifan dilemma themselves, they want an outside currency to subsidize what they're doing, and then they need to go and and break up all these regimes that are not selling oil for dollars.

你知道的？

You know?

所以对我来说，如果你理解了货币这一块，一切就都豁然开朗了，完全说得通。

So to me, like, if you understand the monetary thing, just everything falls into place and makes perfect sense.

这其实是一个试图维持货币主导地位的黑手党组织。

It's it's a it's a mafia organization trying to maintain a monetary dominance.

你其实不需要卖出你的比特币就能获得它的价值。

You don't actually have to sell your Bitcoin to access its value.

你可以很容易地用它作为抵押进行借贷，而无需卖出。

You can actually borrow against it very easily without selling it.

但当你这样做时，需要格外小心。

But when you do this, you need to be careful.

你需要选择一家可信的公司，一家经历过熊市仍能生存下来的公司，并且这家公司必须能向你证明他们确实持有这些比特币，拥有储备证明，或某种机制让你能查看自己的余额并确认资金安全。

You need to do this with a company that is trusted, one that has survived a bear market, and one that will literally show you that they have the coins, that they have proof of reserves or some mechanism where you can look at your balance and know that it is safe.

这就是为什么我多年来一直是Ledden的忠实粉丝和客户。

This is why I've been a huge fan and a customer of Ledden for a few years now.

几年前，我用一笔比特币抵押贷款完成了我家地下室和工作室的翻新，如果当时我直接卖掉比特币，现在我需要支付三倍数量的比特币才能还清这笔贷款。

So one of the Bitcoin backed loans that I got a few years ago to finish renovations in the basement and studio in my house, I would have paid three times as much Bitcoin had I just sold it as it now takes me to just pay off the loan.

而且，如果我卖比特币来还清贷款，我认为我可以通过房屋的 equity 来还清贷款，把所有的比特币都拿回来。

And that's if I sell the Bitcoin to pay it off, which I think I'm gonna be able to get equity out of the house and pay off the loan and get all of my Bitcoin back.

如果你在做投资，这尤其有意义。

This especially makes sense if you're making an investment.

如果你在做一项未来能为你带来收入的事情，或者你在投资比特币挖矿，那么通过抵押比特币来借款并保留比特币，会更容易战胜利率。

If you're doing something that is going to pay you income in the future, or if you're investing in Bitcoin mining, it's a whole lot easier to beat the interest rate if you loan against the Bitcoin and keep the Bitcoin.

Leden 也让这个过程变得非常简单。

Ledin also makes this, like, crazy easy.

比如，如果你现在就去申请，明天可能就能拿到钱。

Like, if you went to do this right now, you could probably get the money by tomorrow.

他们每年进行两次储备证明，我会去查看。

They do proof of reserves twice a year, and I check.

这是一个非常简单的流程。

It's a very easy process.

而且，如果你不想，也不必每月还款。

And you don't have to do monthly payments if you don't want to.

你可以只累积利息，等到合适的时候一次性还清。

You can just accrue the interest and pay off in chunks whenever it makes sense.

最重要的是，他们最近彻底清理了所有杂乱功能。

And best of all, they just recently got rid of all the noise.

他们之前有一些其他功能。

They had some other features.

他们提供以太坊贷款。

They had Ethereum loans.

他们说：不，不要了。

They're like, nope.

砍掉它。

Chop it.

他们还有一个收益产品。

They had a yield product.

不要了。

Nope.

砍掉。

Chop it.

他们曾提供贷款，你可以获得更低的利率，而且这些贷款不在他们的资产负债表上。

They had loans where you could get a lower interest rate, and they didn't have it on their books.

他们把贷款外借了。

They lent it out.

不行。

Nope.

砍掉这个。

Chop that.

现在只剩下由全额抵押的比特币支持的托管贷款。

Now it's just custodied, fully backed Bitcoin loans.

这并不适用于每一种情况或每个人，但在某些时候，这是一项极其有价值的工具。

Doesn't work for every single situation or every person, but there are some times where this is an incredibly valuable tool to have.

不要过度借贷。

Don't overextend.