BJJ Campaign Episode 123: Booneopuluza

这项运动太棒了。

Like the sport is so great.

甚至比不上康纳·麦格雷戈，他的名气和明星地位是戈登的十倍。

It's not even mean Conor McGregor is like 10 times of the fame and stardom as Gordon.

而且我觉得，虽然他现在可能因为CJI这件事有点困扰，但这最终可能会对每个人都有好处。

And I think although like maybe he's suffering a bit right now from this CJI business, this can really turn out to be the better for everyone.

比如，你可以把他打造成像康纳·麦格雷戈那样的明星，因为现在有这么多宣传。

Like you can turn him into Connor McGregor kind of star eventually because of how much publicity is going on.

我知道克雷格在努力推动这件事，掌控方向，但你知道，风向随时可能变。

I know Craig is really pushing the pushing the ship, steering the ship with it but like, you know, like the wind can go any direction.

嗯，而且你记得早期，戈登·瑞安才是真正推动一切的人，比如让运动员获得报酬，不搞那些毫无意义的烂比赛。

Well, and you remember early on though, Gordon Ryan was the one that was really pushing pushing everything forward as far as getting athletes paid, you know, not doing these bullshit competitions that, that really didn't mean anything.

所以他确实推动了这件事。

And so he really moved that forward.

而且，我不认为，我是说，我在社交媒体上没看到太多。

And, and one of the reasons that I don't think, I mean, I haven't seen a lot on social media.

我其实没怎么上社交媒体，但如果说得不对你纠正我，我好像没怎么看到戈登·瑞安说克雷格·琼斯搞CJI的坏话。

I haven't been on a lot, but correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen a lot of Gordon Ryan talking shit about Craig Jones doing CJI.

有意思。

It's interesting.

我是说，他其实挺爱说话的。

I mean, he is very vocal.

说得对。

That is a good point.

我是说，因为我觉得，我内心深处觉得，戈登·瑞安，他想要的其实只是提升这项运动，我是这么认为的。

I mean, because I think he I I feel like deep down, Gordon Ryan, all Gordon Ryan wants is to elevate the sport, I believe.

而且我觉得他把这看作是对这项运动的一种提升。

And I think that he sees this as an elevation of the sport.

特别是从规则和比赛场地来看。

Especially with the rule set and the way that the mat is.

哦，那个坑啊。

Oh, pit.

对，那个坑。

The pit, yeah.

我觉得那是最好的方式，因为任何比赛搞个破台子有多蠢？

I think that's the best way because how stupid is it of any competition to have a fucking platform?

是啊，我讨厌在台子上比赛。

Yeah, I hate competing on a platform.

太糟糕了，兄弟。

It's terrible, man.

你都不知道自己会不会受伤，会不会从上面掉下来什么的。

You don't know if you're going to get injured, fall off the thing or whatever.

坑里好多了，而且你跑不掉。

The pit's way better and you can't get away.

挺酷的。

It's cool.

我是说，那个墨西哥的滑倒是什么，是Karate Combat还是什么？

I mean, what slide on that Mexican was it Karate Combat or something?

哦，对。

Oh yeah.

这真的很有意思。

It's really interesting.

而且你看，归根结底，戈登和克雷格他们有一个共同点。

And like, look, at the end the day, like in Gordon and Craig, they share one thing.

那就是他们至少在人生的某个阶段，都热爱巴西柔术。

It's they had to at least at some point in their life love jiu jitsu.

那种热爱超过一切，而且真的愿意为了追求它而牺牲生活中的一切。

Like love it more than anything and really sacrifice everything in their lives to go ahead and pursue it.

所以，你知道的……

So, you know

而且他们这么做的时候，其实根本没有什么实际的经济回报。

And they were doing that whenever there was no real monetary gain to be had.

对，没错。

Yeah, exactly.

这两个人就像阴阳，你知道，就像你肩膀上的魔鬼和天使。

And these guys are like yin and yang, know, the devil and the angel on your shoulder.

而且他们看起来就像魔鬼和天使。

And they look like a devil and angel.

我的意思是，根据你是谁，他们中的任何一个都可以扮演任何角色。

I mean, either one can play any character depending on who you are.

但是是的，这确实很有趣。

But yeah, it's definitely interesting.

这两个人不是傻瓜。

Guys are not idiots.

我觉得人们真的跟风，对戈登在Instagram上说的任何话都大加指责。

People I think people really jump on the train and give Gordon a lot of heat for whatever he says on Instagram.

但实际上，这是一个非常聪明的人。

But really this is a very intelligent guy.

就像，这不是个傻瓜。

Like this is not an idiot.

他内心深处知道自己真正的想法，但我知道很多人把这看作是这项运动的一大发展，我相信他可能也看到了这一点。

Knows what he's really thinking deep down but I know that a lot of people see this as a big development in the sport and I'm sure that he could probably see that as well.

说实话，他可能会从这中间赚得比节目里很多人都多。

Honestly, he'll probably profit off this a lot more than a lot of people on the show will do.

当然，他们能拿到十美元，但这会让更多人关注这项运动，当人们开始关注并问谁是最厉害的时候，那就是戈登·瑞安。

Like sure they're getting $10 but this is gonna put a lot more eyes on the sport and when you look at this sport and the people start coming in, they say who's the fucking best and it's Gordon Ryan.

而且你猜谁有三十套教学视频？就是BJ Fanatics。

And guess who has fucking 30 instructions, BJ Fanatics.

所以，你知道，我觉得他和别人一样从中获利。

So, you know, I think he's profiting from this as much as everyone else.

哦，那当然。

Oh, for sure.

嗯，那当然。

Well, for sure.

而且，我觉得这也是他没有真正对此表示不满的原因之一。

And again, I think that's one of the reasons that he hasn't really thrown shade toward it.

再说，就我所见，可能我错了，也许他确实有，也许还有更多事，但我没见过他真的在猛烈抨击这件事。

Again, as I've seen, maybe I'm wrong, maybe he has, maybe there's more things but I haven't seen anything that he's been really bashing it.

我见过他宣传这件事，好像他要参赛，但他并没有做你预期他会做的事。

I've seen him promote it like he's gonna compete, but he's not like doing what you would expect him to do.

天哪，我真的觉得有了CJI，就有另一个大型场馆，你懂我的意思吗？

Man, I I really think that with the CJI that having another big venue, you know what I mean?

就像，因为其他每项运动都有赛季，然后有季后赛，你知道，而在这里你只有随机的WNO，你知道，我真的很兴奋。

Like, because with every other sport there's a season and then there's playoffs and you know, and then with here you just have random WNO, you know, I really I'm excited about it.

我也是。

I am too.

而且我们会去那里，所以我会同时参加ADCC和CJI。

And we'll be out there, so I'll be out there for both ADCC and CJI.

我觉得门票昨天刚开始卖，也就是周一。

I think tickets just went on sale yesterday, which is Monday.

所以我们得去买票了。

So we gotta get our tickets for that.

你会去吗？

Are you gonna

你会去那里吗？

be there?

我不确定我能不能负担得起去那里的费用，因为我打算参加奥斯汀附近所有的比赛。

I'm not sure if I can afford to get in there because I'm gonna do all the comps around Austin.

但是，是的，我不知道。

But yeah, I don't know.

我们看看会发生什么。

We'll see what happens.

我的意思是，什么都有可能发生。

I mean, anything can happen.

好的。

Okay.

我能问你一个问题吗？

Can I ask you a question?

怎么不问问题呢。

How do No questions.

该死。

Dammit.

就只是去问问题而已。

Only just go and ask questions.

关于ADC的资格赛，你知道的，ADCC，我一直在关注丹佛公开赛什么的。

With qualifying for the ADC, you know, ADCC, I've been seeing the Denver Open or whatnot.

所以如果你赢了其中一场，你是自动晋级，还是还要去另一场？

So if you win one of those, you're automatically in or do you go to another one?

不是丹佛公开赛，不是那个。

Not Denver open, it's not

显然，公开赛是……

obviously The opens are

不，不，那个……

No, no, the

ADCC那个

ADCC The

ADCC的资格赛。

ADCC qualifiers.

如果你，嗯，

If you Well,

有AC公开赛，也有AC选拔赛。

there's AC opens and there's AC trials.

选拔赛也是。

Trials as well.

好的。

Okay.

所以如果你赢了选拔赛，你就能去ABC。

So if you win trials, you go to ABC.

公开赛就像，我猜就像练习一样。

Opens are just like, I guess they're like practice.

很多高水平选手会参加这些比赛。

A lot of high level guys jump in those.

所以这是很好的锻炼机会。

So it's good experience.

比如我在公开赛上降服过好几位世界冠军，这对我的自信心和曝光度都很有帮助。

Like I've submitted multiple world champions doing opens which has been great for my own confidence and just like getting exposure.

那是肯定的。

No doubt.

但要说真正进入ADCC，我的意思是，对，没错。

But when it comes to actually getting on ADCC, I mean, yeah, sure.

我觉得如果你赢了公开赛，别人会注意到你，但这和赢下选拔赛不一样。

Guess if you win the open, people will see you but it's not the same as winning trials.

你赢了选拔赛，你就能直接晋级。

You win trials, you're gonna get on it.

我觉得这就像是一张自动门票。

I guess it's an automatic ticket.

而且就算是在选拔赛上拿牌的人，有时候也会收到邀请。

And even guys who meddle at trials, they get invitations sometimes.

如果有人退出，特别是这次ADCC，因为有一半的人退出去参加克雷格·琼斯邀请赛，很多在选拔赛上表现不错的人就收到了邀请。

If people pull out, especially this ADCC with fucking half the guys pulling out to do Craig Jones Invitational, a lot of guys who just had great performance at trials got invited.

哦，哇。

Oh, wow.

那真是太酷了。

It was just cool.

所以这就说明，如果你是个有意思的人，然后你上场拼尽全力，说不定你也会被邀请。

So it just shows that like, know, if you're entertaining guy and you just go out there and fucking do your best, like, you you might just get invited anyway.

所以我觉得，如果大家上场就全力以赴，那是个很好的出发点。

So I think that's why it's a good standpoint if people just go in there and fucking throw down.

你参加过选拔赛吗？

Have you done trials?

我2022年参加过一次，在四分之一决赛的时候被淘汰了。

I have done one trials in 2022 and I got armored in the quarter finals.

那之后，我本来打算参加最近的选拔赛，但就在赛前我撕裂了半月板和前交叉韧带，真的很烦。

And then since then I was gonna do the recent trials and I tore my MCL meniscus right before it, which is really annoying.

不过，是的，我当时在家看比赛。

But yeah, was watching from home.

所以下次我一定会去的。

So I'll be there next time.

嗯，你恢复得真好。

Well, you've rehabbed it really well.

你走路都带风。

You're walking around on tree trunks.

哦，是的。

Oh yeah.

从现在到那时，多做些深蹲。

Few squats between now and then.

练上千次腿。

A thousand leg sessions.

对，兄弟。

Yeah, bro.

太棒了。

Sick.

不过那还真是个谜。

So that is kind of a mystery though.

因为ADCC只发邀请函。

Like, because ADCC is invitational only.

当然，通过预选赛也有办法进去。

Obviously, you've got ways to get in with the trials.

你那边有几个？

You're what is there?

欧洲、东海岸、西海岸？

European, East Coast, West Coast?

嗯，欧洲有两个预选赛，北美两个，南美两个，亚洲也有两个。

Well, there's two European trials, two North American trials, two South American trials, and two Asian trials.

那就是八个？

So eight?

对。

Yep.

八个，所以有八个固定名额，剩下的就是邀请制。

Eight so eight guaranteed spots and then the rest invitation.

对。

Yep.

那你这次参加的是亚洲选拔赛吗？澳大利亚属于亚洲区吗？

So did you do the Asian trials since and is Australia part of the Asian

选拔赛？

trials?

我觉得这次我得参加选拔赛。

So I think I had to the trials this time.

你参加的时候，嗯，

When you did it the yeah,

第一次。

the first time.

第一次

The first

我

time I

在亚洲的时候。

was in Asia.

悉尼的选拔赛。

The trials in Sydney.

好的。

Okay.

很好。

Very good.

那么，塞巴斯蒂安，你练柔术的目标是什么？

So Sebastian, what is your goal with jujitsu?

比如你想达成什么目标？

Like what do you want to accomplish?

我当然想成为世界冠军。

I definitely wanna be world champion.

我想成为柔术史上最顶尖的选手之一。

I wanna be one of the best ever like with jujitsu.

我不想只是默默无闻的一个人。

I don't wanna be just some guy.

我觉得我有能力成为那种非常独特、水平远超常人的人。

Like I feel like I have I feel like I have the ability to be someone who's like very unique and just on a different level to a lot of people.

我的意思是，我走了这么远，你知道，牺牲了很多，身无分文来到美国，如果最后只是个普通人，那也太傻了。

I mean, I think it'd be silly for me to go this far, you know, sacrifice a lot, come to America with no money just to fucking be an average dude.

我真的想成为柔术史上最顶尖的选手之一。

I I wanna be literally one of the best ever to do jiu jitsu.

而且我觉得，24岁的我，可能还有六年时间可以全力冲刺，之后就得退役了。

And I think at the age of 24, like, I've got maybe six years left to really push the pace before I gotta hang it up.

所以，这就是目标，兄弟。

So that's the goal, man.

就是要成为史上最厉害的那一批人之一。

Just become one of the fucking best ever.

我

I

不知道，兄弟。

don't know, man.

所以，我有个朋友说，随着补剂和医学的发展，你可能不止六年，因为，你知道，他跟我说，兄弟，现在的40岁其实就是以前的30岁。

So like, one of my friends was talking about how, with the development of supplements and medical science that you may have more than six years because like, you know, he was telling me, he was like, man, 40 now is actually the old 30.

我想了想，觉得，你说得完全对。

And I thought about it and I was like, you know what, you're absolutely correct.

所以，你知道，你可能有超过六年的时间，兄弟。

So, you know, you probably have more than six years man.

也许在澳大利亚是六年。

Maybe six years in Australia.

我觉得在这里，美国有什么补充剂，我大概有二十种吧。

I think here, what supplements you have in America, maybe I've got about fucking 20.

没错，那里只能买到两毫克的褪黑素。

That's right, you can only get two milligrams of melatonin there.

对，你说得没错。

Yeah, you're not wrong.

维生素D一千国际单位，继续吃。

One thousand IUs of vitamin D goes on.

对，我在澳洲的沃尔格林买维生素D，结果用完了，我就想，完了，没了。

Yeah, I ran out of my Walgreen, the vitamin D Australia and I was like, no, it's finished.

因为我没有维生素D了，兄弟。

Because I don't have any vitamin D my buddy.

对，真有意思。

Yeah, so interesting.

现在你只需要多晒晒太阳。

Now you just gotta get out in the sun.

聊聊你的训练伙伴吧，你依赖他们什么？

Talk a little bit about your training partners, what you depend on them for.

比如，你知道，我觉得这很重要。

Like, you know, I think that's important.

你之前也提到过一点。

You kind of set it up before.

我觉得，嗯，菲尔和我从开始一起训练就在一起了，你知道，一直很有趣，我们训练的时候总是很爱开玩笑。

I think, well, Phil and I have been training since we started together and, you know, it's always been a lot of fun and we always we always are very playful whenever we're training with each other.

而且大部分时候，我们训练的地方都是这样的。

And it's like that for the most part where we train, period.

就是这样。

That's the way it is.

但一开始的时候肯定很难。

But it's gotta be tough whenever you start.

再说，你那里有很多年纪大的人。

There's again, you had a lot of older folks in there.

所以我敢肯定，你刚开始的时候，跟其他人刚开始的时候是一样的。

So I'm sure whenever you started, it was the same as when anybody started.

我刚开始的时候，你知道，就是那种两分钟的爆发力，刚开始的时候，我真的是很粗糙。

When I started, when I, you know, had two minutes of fury, you know, whenever I started and I was, you know, just really rough.

没过多久，但我一开始确实很粗糙。

It didn't take long, but I was really rough to begin with.

跟我们说说你是怎么慢慢进步的。

Tell us a little bit of how you came along with that.

哦，好吧，我那时候是个16岁的孩子，身体也不是很强壮。

Oh, Well, I was a 16 year old who was not very strong.

所以每次训练都被打得鼻青脸肿。

So just got bashed every session.

我记得自己被打得特别惨，浑身都是淤青。

I remember just getting absolutely obliterated, like bruised all over.

我妈还以为我在家里被家暴了呢。

Like mom thought I was getting domestic abused.

我就说，相信我，这是个十字领圈的笑话。

I was like, trust me, me it's a cross collar joke.

没事的。

It's fine.

对，我记得。

Yeah, I remember that.

然后随着时间推移，慢慢学会技巧，然后让它变得有趣。

And then over time learning to like, obviously learn the technique and then making it playful.

你说得对，刚开始训练的时候，你完全不知道自己在干嘛。

You're right when you start training, like you have no idea what you're doing.

刚开始的时候你没法玩起来。

You can't play when you start.

因为你觉得你快要被弄死了。

Because you think you're getting murdered.

没错。

Exactly.

就像你是在努力赢。

It's just like you're trying to win.

当然是想赢，你以前从没做过，但我觉得你越厉害，就能越玩得开，差不多吧。

Of course trying to win, you've never done it before but I think the better you get, the more playful you can get, give or take.

给你的对手一些东西，帮你防守一些东西。

Give your opponent something, help you defend something.

有一个你信任的好训练伙伴。

Have a good training partner that you trust.

我的意思是，我不想给来健身房的人一个完全伸展的十字固，因为天知道他们会拿它做什么。

I mean, I don't wanna give someone visiting the gym a fully extended arm bar because God knows what they're gonna do with it.

但和好的训练伙伴在一起，我可以练习从那些危险的位置防守。

But with good training partners, I can practice defending from there with the risky positions.

有人抓住我的脚后跟，我可以练习把脚后跟抽出来，然后……

Someone catches my heel, I can practice slipping my heel and

不，他们不会那么做的。

No, they're not gonna send it.

知道至少如果他们试图弄断它，他们会慢慢弄断。

Know that at least if they try and break it, they're gonna break it slowly.

因为我见过一些疯狂的人来健身房，这些人我一点机会都不给。

Cause I've seen some crazy people come in the gym and these people I'm not giving an inch.

所以这要看情况。

So it depends.

你训练的每个人都会不一样。

Everyone you train with is gonna be different.

我觉得没有两个人是一样的。

I don't think two people are the same.

所以这让它很酷。

So which makes it cool.

所有这些不同的风格、不同的体型、不同的个性。

All these different styles, different body types, different personalities.

这让这项运动非常酷，因为它非常复杂。

It makes for a really cool sport because it's so intricate.

我觉得你指出的这一点真的很重要，就是那些位置，如果你不练那些完全锁死的位置，你当然百分之九十的时候会完蛋。

I think it's really important though that you kind of pointed out that that positional, if you don't train those positions that are fully locked in, of course you're gonna die 90% of the time.

但至少你有机会接触那个位置，就像我前几天和兰登训练时，我问他想要练什么。

But at least you have that exposure to, to that position where and I did this the other day, was training with Landon and then I was asking him what he wanted to do.

他说，我真的很想练那个十字固位置。

And he said, I really wanna work that crucifix position.

所以我说，好的，没问题。

So I said, all right, cool.

我就一直待在那个十字固位置。

I'll just stay in the crucifix position.

我不会试着逃出来，也不会做任何动作。

I won't try to get out, won't, you know, do anything.

所以我就让你在那里练。

So I'll just let you work in that.

然后当我在那里的时候，我发现自己看到了一些以前从没注意过的东西，因为对我来说逃出来不是选项。

And then whenever I was there, I found myself looking at things that I never looked at because it wasn't an option for me to get out.

我就一直待在那儿。

I was just staying there.

然后呢，你懂的，我注意到他的腿带那儿，他换脚换得挺好的，上下交替。

And so, you know, I found out right on his leg wrap, he was doing a good job of switching feet under and over.

然后我发现，当我施加压力，让他退回去的时候，我可以用一个搭便车的动作去抓住他的腿，然后分开他的腿。

Well, I found out whenever I stressed and came here to make him go back, I could do like a hitchhiker to get it and spread his legs.

所以你在一个位置待得越久，你对那个位置的了解就越多，你懂的，而不是老想着逃出去，别老想着不在那个位置。

So you learn way more about a position the longer you spend in it, you know, and not try, not try to get not try to not be in that position.

你明白我的意思吗？

Does that make sense?

我觉得约翰特别看重位置训练。

I mean, John's very big on positional rounds.

我记得你以前说过，恩佐有很多骑乘位的训练，很多这个那个的。

I mean, I remember when you would remember that Enzo has like so many mount rounds, so many this and that.

而且有一次，尼古拉斯·马里加利轻松骑乘并降服了凯和杜阿尔特之后，约翰还跟我们说，尼古拉斯每天花十二分钟在骑乘位上。

And even John said it once after Nicolas Marigalli mounted Kai and Duarte and just submit him really easily, He was saying to us like, well, Nicholas spends twelve minutes a day every single day in mount.

那卡南·杜阿尔特在骑乘位下面花了多少时间？

Like how much time does Kanan Duarte spend on bottom mount?

可能没有尼古拉斯在上面花的时间多。

Probably not as much as Nicholas on top.

所以这

So it

差别很大。

makes a big difference.

而且就我自己来说，我真的相信世界上没有和我同体重的人能压制住我，因为我的逃脱技术，因为我在下位骑乘位做了那么多次位置训练。

And even with myself, like I feel like I truly believe that there's no one my weight in the world who can mount me because of my mount escape, because of how many times I've done position arounds on the bottom mount position.

我做了那么多次，我真的相信地球上没有和我同级别的人能把我按在那里。

Like I've done that many times that I really believe there's no one on the earth my way who can hold me there.

我觉得这甚至不是自大。

And I think that's not even having a big ego.

我觉得这只是因为我被同体型的人压制过那么多次，不管对方是不是世界冠军，这给了我信心。

I think that's from just a confirmation of how many times I've been mounted in that position by someone my size, world champion or not.

而且就是不可能压制住我。

And it's just impossible to pin me.

而且这会给你信心，但只有你练了那么多次，你才会有那种信心。

And like, it gives you confidence and that you're only going get that confidence if you've done it that many times.

而且对你来说，如果你技术那么好，你很容易就能避免被压制。

And it's easy for you if you're as good as you are to not be there.

对，确实。

Well, yeah, definitely.

我的意思是，这也有它自己的问题。

I mean, it does come with its own problems.

现在我不容易被压制了，别人就不会来压制我，而是会把我放到其他位置，我得处理这些。对。

Now that I'm good at not getting mouthed, people are not gonna mount me and they're gonna put me in other positions, I have to deal Right.

现在我得知道怎么防守这些。

Now I have to know how to defend that.

而且到现在，我非常注重防守过腿，因为我已经受够了被压制，我输的比赛通常都是因为过腿防守被过。

And then even now to this point now where I'm really big on guard retention because I've had enough of being pinned and all the matches I lose are usually off guard pass.

因为以前我太自信于我的逃脱能力，所以我的防守就疏忽了。

Because before I was so confident in my pin escapes that my guard suffered.

因为我想，反正我会比你更凶猛地进攻，因为如果你过了我的防守，我就能逃脱，然后再来一次。

Because I was like, well I'm just gonna come at you harder than my guard because if you pass me I'm just gonna fucking escape and just go again.

但那只会让我被得分，然后对方又跑掉或者又过我的防守。

But that would just be like me getting scored on and then the guy running or the guy passing me again.

然后我就因为分数输了。

And then I lose by points.

而现在，我的目标是不让对方过我的防守，这让我的进攻更有效。

Whereas now like my goal is not to get passed, which makes my attacks better.

这完全说得通。

That makes total sense.

对。

Yes.

杰克，你呢？

Jack, what about you?

你练柔术的目标是什么？

What's your goals with jujitsu?

天啊，这周就像……不

Man, like this week Not

别扯淡了。

be shit.

这周嘛，对，确实。

Like this week of yeah, true that.

但这周和塞巴斯蒂安训练，我唯一的目标就是练出一口地道的澳洲口音。

But this week of training with Sebastian, my only goal is to come away with a good Australian accent.

但这真的很痛苦，兄弟。

But it's really suffering, mate.

所以，哎，这儿，这儿，这儿。

So, oi, here, here, here.

但我能做的就只有说“这儿”和“哎”。

But that's all I can do is here and oi.

所以希望到周末的时候，我能用澳洲口音说超过两个词。

So hopefully by the end of the week I can do more than two words in an Australian accent.

不过说真的，我的柔术目标就是——我也不知道，反正就是对身体和头脑都特别好，还能减压，所以我就想保持健康，尽力而为，按自己的节奏进步，就这样。

But no, seriously, my jujitsu goals is to I don't know, it's just so good for your body and your mind and stress relief that I just wanna stay healthy and do my best and progress the way I progress and that's it.

但我就想长期坚持，能无伤地享受这些好处，基本上就是，你懂的，因为我工作很努力，而且我也不太在意腰带什么的。

But I just want to be in it for the long haul and be able to enjoy the benefits injury free and basically just, you know, because I work really hard and I'm not really worried about belts and whatnot.

我就想有好的实战，扎实的实战，能对自己付出的努力感到满意。

I'm just, I just wanna have good roles, good solid roles and to be able to feel good about the work I put in.

而且你现在，以前你主要穿道服，现在你完全转成无道服了，跟着那边的第十星球。

And now you're before you were mostly gi, now you're all no gi with the tenth planet down there.

那完全是另一个世界，就像……

And it's a different different universe like

嗯，其实很多内容跟他展示的挺相似的。

Well, a lot of it is, you know, along the same lines as what he's showing.

而且，一开始我去那儿的时候，我就在想，天哪，我真的懂柔术吗？

And, like, at first, when I went there, I was just like, God, do I even know jujitsu?

我的意思是，那真的很尴尬，因为我完全不懂那些腿法，也不知道这些是什么。

Like, I mean, it was it was really embarrassing because I had no clue of any of the legs and going around and, know, any of this stuff.

那是一次非常让人谦卑的经历，因为你知道，我练柔术已经六年了，然后你一来就感觉又回到了第一天。

And it took that was a very humbling experience because, you know, I've been doing jujitsu for like, what, six years and then you come in and you're just like day one all over again.

继续坚持和进步是一场艰难的战斗。

And it's a tough battle to, you know, keep going and continuing to progress.

所以，是的，但我喜欢无道服，我超爱无道服。

So, yeah, but the Nogi, I love the Nogi.

它很有趣。

It's, it's fun.

对，完全同意。

Yeah, totally agree.

你将来会参加任何比赛吗？

Are you gonna be doing any competitions anywhere in the future?

不会，因为我太执着了，太执着了。

No, because I'm such an obsessive, like, so obsessive.

我很容易紧张，而且我本来生活压力就很大。

Like, I get so nervous and I have a stressful life to begin with.

而且我妻子身体不好，我认识的人都知道。

And I just I have a sick wife for anybody that I know.

所以我不想——向马洛里致敬。

And so I don't want to Shout out to Mallory.

我爱你，宝贝。

Love you, babe.

但就是，我真的不需要那种焦虑，也不想让她跟着焦虑。

But it's I just don't need that anxiety and I don't need to, you know, put her through the anxiety.

但她其实很喜欢去。

But she actually loves going.

所以她陪我去了泛美锦标赛。

So she went to the Pans with me.

那好，杰克，跟我们说说第一次参赛的经历吧。

So yeah, tell us about that first experience, Jack.

哦，那真是大开眼界。

Oh, that was that was the world.

所以我参加了比赛，等等。

So I competed at Hold on.

等等。

Hold on.

先给大家交代一下背景。

Just to set this up for everyone.

杰克决定去参加一个比赛。

Jack decided to do a competition.

他说，管他呢。

So he said, you know what the hell?

咱们就干点不局限于本地的。

Let's just do something not local.

第一次比赛就直接上巴西柔术世锦赛。

Let's do the world championships of jiu jitsu for our first competition.

来吧，查德。

Go ahead, Chad.

所以那是无道服比赛。

So and it was no gi.

而且我只练过道服。

And I only trained gi.

所以我是和我道馆的馆主一起去的，他是位有成就的黑带。

So I was going with the owner of my gym who was accomplished black belt.

我们开车过去的时候。

And we were riding over there.

他是个亚洲人，开车的时候真的把我吓坏了。

He's this Asian guy and he was really scaring me while he was driving.

我是说，我没开玩笑。

And I mean, I'm not kidding.

大部分路都是我开的，因为那简直是噩梦。

I drove most of the way because it was a fucking nightmare.

就是，我当时特别紧张。

Like, was just like, I was nervous.

我在去的路上比比赛时还紧张。

I was more nervous on the ride over there than I was.

我根本没想比赛的事。

I wasn't even thinking about judiciary.

我光想着怎么在高速上活下来。

I was just thinking about surviving on the interstate.

然后呢，他一边开车一边跟我说话，还一直看着我，看了大概三十秒。

And so anyways, he's talking to me and he's looking at me while he's driving for like thirty seconds.

他连车道都不看。

He doesn't even check the lane.

他就那么盯着副驾驶座看了三十秒，然后说，你参加过几次比赛？

He just thirty second stares into the passenger seat and he's like, so how many how many competitions have you done?

我说，呃，零次。

Was like, well, zero.

他差点把咖啡喷出来。

And he about spit his coffee out.

他说，天哪。

He's like, oh my god.

然后呢，总之，比赛前一天，他在热身垫上，我在帮他热身，我环顾四周，看那些人热身有多好，我甚至不知道怎么热身。

And so, anyway, so the day before he's competing and it's and we were at the warm up mats and I was I was helping him warm up and I was looking around at how all how good all the I didn't even know how to warm up how these people warm up.

我甚至不知道他们用的那些降服技。

I didn't even know the submissions they were doing.

我当时就想，天哪，我犯了个大错。

I was just like, oh my God, I've made a huge mistake.

这将会是我人生中最尴尬的时刻。

This is gonna be the worst moment of my life.

而且我经历过一些相当尴尬的时刻。

And I've had some pretty embarrassing moments.

所以这么说，可见一斑。对。

So to say that is a testament Yeah.

对，就是那种程度。

To how

有些场面我可是亲眼见过的。

I've been there for some of them.

你确实见过。

You have.

而且我们这辈子在一起的时间加起来可能也就四个星期左右。

And we've only been together maybe like four weeks of our life, you know, combined.

所以你也见过不少特别蠢的事。

And so you've seen some pretty stupid shit.

我当时真的吓坏了。

And so I was just petrified.

所以我一句话都没说。

And so I wasn't saying anything.

然后Niall上场，赢了比赛。

And then Niall went and he won his match.

然后我们吃饭的时候，他注意到我没说话。

And then we're eating and he noticed I wasn't saying anything.

而我平时话很多。

And I always talk.

他就说，他就说，你怎么了？

He's like, he's like, what's wrong with you?

然后我就说，我就说，天哪，我说，我犯了个大错。

And I was like, I was like, man, I was like, I've made a huge mistake.

我出去会被打死的。

I'm gonna get fucking murdered out there.

我甚至不知道那些人在热身时在干什么。

Those I didn't even know I don't even know what those guys were doing in the warm ups.

然后他，他把嘴里的食物喷出来，说，那些是世界级的黑带高手。

And he was he spit his food out and he was like, those were world class black belt check.

然后我就说，天哪。

And I was like, oh my god.

谢谢。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Thank you.

不过第二天我还是去了。

But so I went out the next day.

我还是很紧张，但第二天我去了，结果以四分之差输了。

I was still really nervous, but I went out the next day and I lost by four points.

我被一个摔跤手摔倒两次。

I got taken down two times by a wrestler.

不过总体来说还是积极的。

But Overall positive though.

那你当时怎么说？

Then What'd you say?

哦，当然。

Oh, definitely.

然后那种肾上腺素飙升的感觉，就像嗨起来了一样。

And then and the adrenaline rush you get, like You get high.

那只是一场比赛。

It was just one match.

就一场比赛？

Just one match?

我记得你好像赢了一场输了一场。

I feel like I remember you winning one losing one.

那是别的事吗？

Was that something else?

是的。

Yes.

那是奥兰多公开赛。

That was the Orlando Open.

我会是JJF，就是奥兰多公开赛什么的。

I'll be JJF, just Orlando Open, whatnot.

然后我参加了泛美赛，又是一场比赛。

And then I did the Pans and it was one match again.

我赢了那场，但马洛里也来了，她喜欢那种氛围。

And I won that, but Mallory came to that and she liked the atmosphere.

你知道，那种氛围，是一种很酷的文化。

You know, the atmosphere, it's a cool it's a culture, you know.

我的意思是，柔术本身就是一个亚文化，她真的很喜欢看这一切，而且她对柔术变得非常感兴趣，尽管她有点难过她不能练，因为她有输液港。

I mean, it's Jiu Jitsu is its own, like, subculture and she really enjoyed watching watching everything and she's gotten really interested in the jujitsu even though and she's kinda sad that she can't do it because she has a port.

所以她不能做任何像……尤其是

So she can't do any type of like And especially

任何可能让她感染或者类似的事情，那会很糟糕。

anything that would give her infection or anything like that, it'd be horrible.

不过她真的很喜欢看这些，还有那些什么的。

And so but no, she she really really enjoys watching all that and whatnot.

这对我们的婚姻来说是积极的。

It's it's been it's been positive for our marriage.

那很好。

That's good.

那太好了。

That's great.

应该的。

It should be.

应该的。

It should be.

这对我生活的各个方面都是积极的。

It's it's been positive for all aspects of my life.

所以，是的。

So Yeah.

我希望每个人都能这样。

I hope it is for everyone.

菲尔，结束之前你还有什么要说的吗？

Phil, you got anything else before closing?

我觉得我们没问题了。

I think we're good.

我们去训练吧。

Let's go training.

好的。

Alright.

我们接下来就这么办。

That's what we're gonna do.

塞巴斯蒂安，谢谢你今天来。

Sebastian, thanks for being here.

杰克，谢谢你今天来。

Jack, thanks for being here.

谢谢你们上来。

Thanks for coming up.

谢谢，杰夫。

Thanks, Jeff.

真的很感激。

Really appreciate it.

如果你没有每天都在努力让自己变得更好，那就赶紧去做吧。

And if you're not out there doing something each and every day to make yourself better, get out there and do it.

菲尔和我选择了柔术。

Phil and I choose Jiu Jitsu.

我们希望你也一样。

We hope you do too.

我现在就要把他们扔给鲨鱼了。

I'm about to feed them to the sharks right now.

现在就让他们兴奋起来。

Get them hyped right now.

你知道地面战已经开始了。

You know the ground is on.

每个训练的人都知道这个规则。

Everybody that trains, you know the game.

所以，我们开始吧。

So let's get it.

击掌，碰拳，然后开始滚。

Slap it up, bump it, and roll.

就是这样。

That's the way that it go.

在这个游戏里，没有比这更好的提升自己的方式了。

Ain't no better way to better yourself in this game.

你能感受到成长。

You're feeling the growth.

在垫子上的时间。

Time on the mat.

我们付出了努力。

We put in the work.

相信这不容易。

Believe it ain't easy.

我知道。

I know.

但我们是为了对这项运动的热爱、对这门艺术的热爱而交换的。

But we trade for the love of the game, the love of the art.

现在击掌，碰拳。

Now slap it up, bump it.

我们开始吧。

Let's roll.