#351：2025年史上最佳50款游戏联合评选：第30至11名

天啊。

Oh my god.

创新是个非常好的游戏，但它不在我的前50名之内。

Innovation is a very good game, but it's it's not on my top 50.

它就在附近。

It's right around there.

我知道你对它的看法。

I know where it stands with you.

我想，也许如果尼兰德认为它应该排得更高，那这可能是个错误。

I think well, maybe maybe this is a mistake if if Nieland thinks it should go much higher.

所以我愿意承认这一点。

So I I'm willing to grant that.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我不这么认为。

I don't.

我的意思是，老实说，我真的认为，并且我会鼓励凯伦考虑，这可能是它最合适的位置。

I I mean, honestly, I actually think and I would I would encourage Kellen to consider that this is probably the right spot for it.

是的。

Yeah.

听我说。

Listen.

我认为，唯一能说明这是它合适位置的方式是，我觉得我的第一名比你们两个的第一名都高。

The only the only way that I believe that this is the right spot for it is I think it means that my number one got higher than both of your number ones.

当然当然。

Sure sure.

在任何其他情况下，都不可能让这款游戏成为有史以来第27佳的桌游。

And in no other world, in no other possible world could this be the twenty seventh best board game of all time.

像这样连前十名都进不去，简直是巨大的不公。

Like, it not being in the top 10 is a travesty of big big travesty.

冤案。

Travesty.

经典卡尔对这个有意见。

Classic Carl has a problem with this.

他新推出的国际象棋小丑游戏，你现在可以打包了，对这个也有意见。

His new chess joker game that you could pack now has a problem with this.

克里斯蒂娜对这个有意见。

Christina has a problem with this.

我正在看我的目标，不。

I am looking at my goal no.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我正在看维托的黄金力量。

I'm looking at my golden power of Vito.

听好了。

Listen.

我会拿走W，我们所有第一中最高的那个。

I will take the w, highest number one of all of our number ones.

那就是我想要的一切，所以我们现在在这里。

That was, like, all I wanted, and so here we are.

创新，我们可以把它锁定。

Innovation, we can lock it in.

好的。

Okay.

我对这个感觉很好。

I feel good about that.

我对这个感觉不错。

I feel fine with that with that.

因为我会把它放在我的井外，肯定在50之外，但也不会远太多。

Because I I would have it like probably just outside my well, definitely outside my 50, but not too much farther down.

所以我觉得这还不错。

So I think that's pretty good.

好的。

Okay.

所以现在我们得做个决定，因为现在情况变得棘手了。

So now, we gotta make a call here because now we're getting tough.

26。

So 26.

天啊，我们连一半都没完成。

God, we're not even halfway done.

我们已经看到一些巨头倒下了。

We've had some titans fall.

看，现在你要体会我的痛苦了，凯伦，因为下一个我建议的游戏要比创新高一档。

See, now you're gonna feel my pain, Kellen, because the next game I suggest is gonna be one higher than innovation.

所以你得好好应对这个问题。

So you're gonna have to wrestle with that.

好吧。

Okay.

凯伦，你现在胃感觉怎么样？

How's your stomach doing right now, Kellen?

你还好吗？

You fine?

感觉不错吗？

You feeling good?

我很好。

I'm good.

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

我要走了。

I'm gonna go

不。

No.

我觉得我没事。

I'm feeling I'm fine.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

如果我提到‘蓝潟湖’这几个字呢？

How about when I say the words Blue Lagoon?

兄弟。

Bro.

兄弟。

Bro.

这是一个BGP游戏。

It's a it's a BGP game.

这个游戏

This game

这是一个Kinesia游戏。

is a Kenitsia game.

这是一个BGP游戏。

It's a BGP game.

这是一个Kinesia游戏。

This It's a Kinesia game.

灯光，这不适合儿童。

Lights, that does not make it for children.

这很可爱。

It's it's lovely.

这很可爱。

It's lovely.

或者B类游戏

Or b games

为婴儿制作游戏。

makes games for babies.

好的。

Okay.

这些游戏是给八岁孩子玩的，我听到了。

These games are for eight year I listen.

我不认为我有权力否决你们两位的意见。

I don't think that I have the power to overrule two of you.

我认为这个列表中，这是第一个我看了会说这个列表是的项目

I think that this list has this is the first thing on the list that I would look at this list and say this list is

新潟潟？

New Lagoon?

那是什么？

That's what?

就像，像疯了一样。

Like, like crazy.

我只是跟着凑热闹。

I was along for the ride.

我很兴奋。

I was excited.

我想，哦，有一些有趣的选项，然后我们到了蓝潟，我心想，这些人真是疯了。

I thought, oh, there's some fun picks, and then we get to Blue Lagoon, and I'm like, these guys have lost their minds.

这是我们今年玩的第一个BGB游戏，也是我们第一次玩。

This was our first BGB game of the year, the first ever we Yeah.

既然听起来你没有否决，那我就把蓝潟加进去了。

Well, it doesn't sound like you're vetoing, so I'm putting in Blue Lagoon.

尼尔和我对这个排名第26位非常满意。

Neil and I are very happy with that at number 26.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，你看，我对这个结果非常非常满意。

I mean, look, I'm very, very happy with this.

我一度有点担心我们错过了把它加入的机会，但既然它现在在这里了，我并不生气。

I was maybe actually scared for a little bit that we'd missed the chance to get it on, but I'm not mad that it's here.

我爱《蓝潟湖》。

I love Blue Lagoon.

我非常喜欢《蓝潟湖》。

I adore Blue Lagoon.

我也是。

Same here.

我也是。

Same here.

好吧。

Alright.

是上帝。

It's God.

我们越少说，越快跳过，就越好。

The less that we can say and the more faster we can move on, the better.

我想纠正上一集中某人犯下的错误，但我记不清是谁了。

I want to right a wrong that someone had in the last episode, I can't remember who it was.

这让我想起了《El Grande》——一场完美的游戏，就在正中间。

This is bringing back El Grande, a perfect game, literally a perfect game, right in the middle.

这是区域控制。

It's area control.

这是最经典的欧式游戏之一。

It's one of the OG euro games of all time.

我们必须尊重这种工艺。

We have to respect the craft.

我们必须尊重制作桌游这门艺术形式。

We have to respect the art form of making board games.

《El Grande》必须列入这份名单。

El Grande must be on this list.

我当然不会对此有异议。

I'm certainly not gonna argue this one.

我正在

I'm getting

嗯。

Yeah.

我真的很高兴它能在这里。

This is I'm actually very happy for it to be here.

好吧。

Alright.

我们做到了。

We did it.

我们确定了。

We locked in.

实际上，这两个游戏之前都被否决过。

And actually, both of these were coming off of being vetoed.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

所以它们幸存下来了。

So they survived.

这真是

That's an

在这个时候看这份名单很有趣。

interesting list to look at at this point.

所以我认为，基于这个选择，我们一直在回头审视那些早期被否决的游戏，试图弄清楚：这些游戏的排名合理应该有多高？

So one of the things that I think we've been doing based on that pick is circling back to stuff that was vetoed earlier and, like, trying to figure out, okay, like, how high is reasonable for these things to go?

我觉得这个地方很合适，凯伦，我希望你也同意选《沙丘》。

I think that this would be a good spot, Kellen, and I hope you'll agree for a Dune.

天啊，尼伦。

Oh my god, Nielen.

你从未说过如此正确的话。

You have never spoken truer words.

我只是觉得我们的友谊达到了一个新的层次。

I just believe that we've developed a new level of our friendship.

不是像埃顿生日那天那种盛宴级别的友谊。

Not not feast for Eldon on your birthday levels of friendship.

但没错。

But Yeah.

快到了。

Nearly there.

我觉得我在上一段已经说过这些了，但这个也是我想再玩一次的。

I think I said all this in the previous but like, this is another one I would love to play again.

太棒了。

It's great.

这非常像BGB。

It's very BGB ish.

这确实非常像BGB。

It it certainly is very BGB ish.

我知道你很喜欢，所以我觉得这是个非常适合的地方。

I know that you love it, so I think that this is a good good place for it.

我当然不会反对。

I'm certainly not gonna argue it.

我很满意。

I'm happy with that.

我们真的快要了，是的。

We're really getting Yeah.

我们正在跨越党派界限，是的。

We're reaching across the aisle Yeah.

在处理繁文缛节。

Working through the red tape.

事情正在发生。

Things are happening.

这里正在以一种让我非常兴奋的方式推进。

Things are moving here in a way that I'm I'm very excited.

我觉得这只是节奏问题，等到剧集后半段，就会变得

I feel like this is just the cadence, and then it gets to the second half of the episode, and then it's

就像所有的 Yeah。

like all the Yeah.

Yeah。

Yeah.

我们活着是为了明天再战。

We think live to fight another day.

Yeah。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

然后我们得战斗。

Then we have to fight.

马克。

Mark.

嗯。

Yeah.

我怀着极大的敬意这么说。

I say this with great esteem.

这辆车在这份榜单上的排名达到了最高点。

This is the absolute highest that bus is going to go on this list.

我爱巴士。

I love bus.

我对此没有意见。

I'm fine with it.

我同意我们去做吧。

I'm fine with Let's do it.

我们去做吧。

Let's do it.

我只是别担心我。

I'm just don't worry about me.

我支持你。

I'm backing you.

我在看。

I'm look.

还记得凯伦问我是不是要去犯罪现场吗？

Remember when Kellen was asking if I gonna meet the scene scene at the crime?

我这儿拿着你的枪呢。

I'm I'm carrying your your gun here.

我会把它擦干净。

I'll wipe it down.

我会给你提供不在场证明。

I'll give you an alibi.

我支持你。

I'm good with you.

我在这里支持你。

I'm backing you here.

我不确定你在说什么。

I'm not sure what you're saying.

你是说你要否决它，还是不是？

Are you saying you're vetoing it or not?

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我支持你。

I'm I'm with you.

我支持你。

I'm with you.

看。

Look.

巴斯又一个好球，出局了。

Buss has one more strike, and it's out.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

所以凯伦在这里有很大的权力，我知道他有多喜欢行使他的权力。

So Kellen has a lot of power here, and I know how much he loves to wield his power.

所以如果布斯再次被否决，他就彻底完了。

So if Buss gets vetoed again, it's gone.

我绝对不打算这么做。

I'm definitely not gonna do that.

所以我不赞成。

So I am Uh-uh.

完全支持。

Fully supportive.

好的。

Okay.

所以这是凯伦的事。

So it's it's to Kellen.

我支持。

I I'm supporting.

由我来决定布斯是生是死。

It's me to choose if Buss lives or dies.

我们已经在这份名单上同意了一个淘汰对象。

We already agreed one splatter on this list.

这个淘汰对象是食品链巨头。

That splatter is food chain magnate.

我否决了布斯。

I am vetoing Buss.

好的。

Okay.

听好了。

Listen.

我这是出于原则。

I'm mad principles.

他被淘汰了。

It's gone.

我们已经完成了第一次淘汰。

We've had the first elimination.

巴士现在正式从这份名单中剔除。

Bus is now officially unavailable for this list.

我将重新提名阿格里凯拉。

I am going to repropose Agriquela.

你真差劲。

Oh, you suck.

阿格里凯拉。

Agriquela.

维托。

Vito.

阿格里凯拉。

Agriquela.

你得想个别的名字。

You gotta come up with something else.

好吧。

Okay.

他

He's

他对这件事很坚持。

he's strong about this.

是的。

Yeah.

太低了。

Just too low.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我不能天哪。

I cannot oh my god.

现在我感到紧张。

Now I'm feeling nervous.

我很紧张。

I'm nervous.

开火。

Shoot.

我，呃。

I yeah.

我想提一下，我想知道马克对这个会有什么看法。

I'm gonna throw this out here because I wonder what Mark's take on this is gonna be.

我会把Inish排在第23位。

I'm gonna put Inish at 23.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这并不是我前50名的游戏。

I mean, not a game that is on my top 50.

它甚至可能不在我的前100名里，明确地说，它根本不在我的前100名里。

It's probably not in my top 100, but I I mean, it's certainly actually not in my top 100 to be clear.

但它足够好，让我能接受它在这里。

But it's BGB enough that I I can stomach it here.

我认为它代表了我们，尤其是有了这个扩展之后。

I think it it represents us, especially with the expansion.

根据尼兰德规则，所有内容都算数。

And according to Nieland rules, everything counts.

所以我会说同意这个。

So I would say fine to this.

我会说我对这个没问题。

I would say I'm I'm okay with this.

而且，就像地图上的那些家伙这种类型，我们这里其实并没有太多代表，尽管我认为作为一种类型，我们可能已经过度代表了，但我认为这是一个绝佳的选择，一款很棒的游戏。

It's also, like, just the dudes on a map nature is a genre we don't have super represented here, even though I would say that as a genre, I would think we over represent compared to I think this is a fantastic pick, fantastic game.

我总觉得尼兰德现在就像个为我工作的间谍，不管出于什么原因，但我非常不同意。

I do feel like Nieland is like now just a spy working for me for whatever reason, but I'm very No.

我觉得其中很多都是众所周知的。

I I I think a lot of it is known.

很多内容其实非常具体，比如说，好吧。

A lot of it is quite specifically is like, okay.

关于这些游戏，我在想的是，我们决定是否包含这一款，要么是，要么不是。

Of the games, the one what I'm thinking about and whether we decide to include this is is one thing or the other.

但我想的是，我在看你们的前十榜单，然后在想，这些游戏里哪些是我希望看到出现在列表上的？

But, like, I what I'm thinking about is I'm looking at the games on your guys' tops tens, and I'm like, which of these would I like to see on the list?

你知道，最初是不。

You know, initial No.

同意。

Agree.

在我的前50名里也有。

On my top 50 as well.

我超爱这个。

I love it.

所以，我想看到它出现在这里。

So, like, I wanna see it on here.

我不希望我们走到因为删掉它而让每个人都感到受伤的地步。

I don't want us to get to the point where everyone's hurt by it being cut.

你知道的？

You know?

对我来说，这关乎列表的质量，以及是否有人因此受伤。

It's about the quality of the list for me and if someone gets hurt along the way.

好的。

Alright.

我要提名其中最伟大的一款游戏之一：《Brass》。

I am going to nominate one of the greatest of them all here, Brass.

我们就选《兰开夏》吧。

Let's go with Lancashire.

为了入选，这是马丁·华莱士先生的作品。

For inclusion, this is mister Martin Wallace.

这款游戏曾位列前50。

This was on the top 50.

嗯，猜猜看，《Brass》伯明翰版曾排在第一名。

Well, guess brass Birmingham was on the top top one.

在本集录制时，它是BGG上的第一名。

It is the top one on BGG as of recording of this episode.

多么棒的系统啊，共享激励，更具竞争性的欧式游戏，经济策略。

What a great system, shared incentives, a fightier euro esque game, economic strategy.

我认为，无论如何，我们都同意它应该在这里。

I think if anything I think we all agree it should be on here.

如果非要说的话，可能是马克会冲我喊：‘现在不行，孩子。’

If anything, it's gonna be Mark to shoot me and say, not right now, son.

是的。

Yeah.

我就这么想。

That's where I'm at.

但我认为，我觉得这样可以。

But but I think I think I'm okay with this.

我觉得我能接受这个。

I think I'm okay with it.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我明白这一点。

I I I understand that.

嗯。

Yeah.

你当时在吗，嗯。

Were you at Yeah.

我知道。

I I know.

这很有趣，因为我觉得它应该排得更高。

It's interesting because it's like, I think it should be higher.

而且，作为我们都热爱的一款游戏，我有点惊讶它竟然没有获得更高的提名。

And I I I think as a game that all three of us love, I may be a little bit surprised that it's being nominated not higher.

作为拥有最多否决权的人，你有一个非常简单的方法。

Well, as the person who has the most vetoes, there's a very easy thing you can do.

我觉得我会否决这个。

I think I would veto this.

我觉得如果这个被排在列表的末尾，那会有点奇怪。

I I think it would be kind of bizarre for this to be the slow down on the list.

你看，这种否决方式我很乐意接受。

See, this is a type of vetoing that I'm happy with.

我没什么意见。

I'm I'm okay.

这个很好。

This is this is good.

好的。

Alright.

让我们开始吐槽吧。

Let's start the hate coming.

我接下来的选择会选加密货币相关的。

I will draft the crypto with my next pick here.

所以对于不了解的人，问题是：我们是否愿意接受加密货币、So Clover，以及肯定要有的《密码本》？

So the question here for those not in the know is like whether we're willing to have the crypto and So Clover and surely Codenames Must Come.

这是我们最爱的游戏之一，如果不是，那值不值得狠狠地否决掉我？

One of our favorite games of all time and if not, is it worth vetoing the shit out of me.

我爱《解密货币》，一定会一直玩。

I love Decrypto and will always play it.

我觉得这三款游戏都出现在这里并不疯狂。

I don't think it would be crazy for all three of those to be on here.

是的。

Yeah.

我也不觉得。

Neither do I.

但我能理解为什么有人会觉得我们放弃了太多名额。

But I think I I could see why someone would feel like we're giving up too many slots.

我觉得派对游戏在这方面确实太多了，但我真的对此感到非常高兴。

I do feel like party games, another area where we over represent, and I'm very genuinely happy about that back.

我对这个没问题。

I'm okay with that.

而且我觉得，我不是在强行塞入我喜欢的东西。

And I don't think again, I'm not trying to I don't I don't think this is just me jamming in the things that I like.

我知道我们大家都喜欢这个系列。

I know we all collectively like the script.

但我们到底该保留多少呢，是的。

But just how much do we Yeah.

它肯定在我的前50名之内。

It's definitely been on my top 50.

去年它可能还是我的前50名之首。

Might might have been my top 50 last year.

所以，是的，我对此没问题。

So, yeah, I'm I'm okay with this.

我对此很满意。

I'm fine with this.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

所以这对我来说是针对'21年的。

So it's for me for '21.

我会选择这个，因为我有点担心对此的共识。

I'm gonna go with because I'm a little worried about the consensus on this.

但我还是会选地产这个。

But I'm gonna go with the estates on this.

地产是一款极其严酷的经济游戏。

Estates is a super brutal economic game.

这是我在任何常玩的游戏中感到最紧张的游戏。

It is the game that causes me the most tension in any game I think I play regularly.

我想，是的，我希望在这里看到它。

I think, yeah, I would like to see it here.

我不确定你或我像马克那样喜欢领地。

I don't know that you or I like the estates nearly as much as Mark does.

不。

No.

我喜欢它。

I like it.

我非常喜欢它。

I like it a lot.

我只是勉强进入前50名。

I just hovered near my top 50.

它可能曾经在榜单上过。

It probably was on it at some point.

我不。

I no.

我非常喜欢地产。

I I like the estates quite a lot.

我正在纠结的一点是，其实早在上一集我就提过，这正是我要说的那个。

The the thing I'm wrestling with a little bit is there is I mean, it's one of the things I offered up much earlier last episode as a this would be it.

我正在纠结，它已经过时了。

I I'm wrestling with a its time has gone.

是的。

Yeah.

它本该早就在这里了。

It should it should have already been here.

它本该早就出现在这里了。

It should have already been on here.

但问题在于，从元游戏的角度来看，我否决这个，就意味着其他不靠谱的东西会抢先上位，而且

But then the problem is as well is I just from a metagame y perspective, me vetoing this means that other nonsense is gonna get on ahead of it and

所以，我喜欢这个。

So And I like it.

要不我们来个现场交易吧。

How about, like, let's do an audible little tradesy here.

我们把第46位的星象交汇去掉，把地产放上去吧。

Let's get rid of sidereal confluence in spot 46 and put the estates there.

我只是说说。

Just saying.

有可能。

Could be.

我不觉得我会否决这个。

I I don't think I will veto this.

我得看看马克的前50名、前10名里还有什么。

I just need to look at what other is in Mark's top 50, top 10.

因为如果我们哪怕听到一点蜘蛛侠或者总统先生的风声。

Like, because if if we so much as hear the whiff of Spider Man or Mister president.

在我们像 veto 一个好游戏一样之后，上漫威冠军或总统。

Up Marvel champions or mister president after we like veto like a good game.

是的。

Yeah.

比如，我就是这个意思。

Like, me That's exactly

一样的。

the same.

试试。

Try.

就是这种类型。

That's the sort of

我担心的就是这种事。

thing I'm afraid of.

但我希望他足够绅士，不会这么做。

But I I hope he would be too much a gentleman to do that

我一直以来

to I have been

真是个大男孩了。

such of a big boy.

大男孩。

Big boy.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为我已经清楚地展示了我能有多像个大男孩。

I think I've shown clearly how big of a boy I can be.

我认为这已经记录在案了。

I think that is on the record.

我会通过这个。

I'll let this through.

我不会在这里浪费我的否决权。

I'll not waste my veto here.

好的。

Okay.

当我提到‘友好的邻里’时，你想到什么？

Now when I say friendly neighborhood, what does that make you think?

嘿，兄弟，走吧。

What about bro, let's go.

我会做三遍。

I'll do it three times.

我会随时保留三个。

I'll save three at all times.

我们可以轮流来，凯拉。

We could swap off, Kayla.

你，我，你。

You, me, you.

这次你直接一次性用掉三个，根本不用等。

You're just gonna use three at once, just not even have to wait this time.

嗯。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

现在就用掉这三个。

Use all three right now.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

我们一起干吧。

Let's work together.

我们一起做这件事。

Let's work together on this.

现在很难。

It's hard now.

这很难。

It's hard.

即使我努力保持开放的心态，这仍然是一个困难的

Even if I'm trying to be open hearted, it's it's a difficult

是的。

Yeah.

艰难的局面。

Difficult situation.

好的。

Okay.

我们有上帝。

We've got god.

我现在不想做那件事。

I don't wanna do that right now.

我们有埃尔格兰德。

We've got El Grande.

对吧？

Right?

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

嗯。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

给我一秒。

Give me one sec.

只要是他笑，我们就知道要出问题了。

Anytime it's him laughing, we know there's gonna be problems.

不。

No.

我只是在想，如果我儿子听到蜘蛛侠会怎么样。

I just I was just thinking about your if my son would just hear a Spider Man.

这太好笑了。

That's hilarious.

好吧。

Okay.

我在这里权衡的是，一边要表现得大度，一边又要推荐一款游戏，我觉得这值得推荐，尤其是我真正喜欢的游戏。

What I'm weighing here is like trying to be magnanimous while putting a game on, I think that warrants the spot, while putting a game up that I actually like.

天啊，这真难。

God, this is tough.

好吧。

Okay.

唉。

Man.

我还是选史蒂文森的火箭吧。

I'm gonna go with Stevenson's rocket.

天啊。

Man.

你有凯尼西亚。

You've got Kenicia.

你有背信弃义者。

You've got cutthroat.

它还带有一种新手培训的性质。

You've got a trainee aspect to it.

我试图向各个方面表示敬意。

Trying to tip the cap to a lot of sides here.

这很有趣，因为你处于一种位置，就是我会把否决权留给我认为更好的东西。

It's funny because you get in this position where I'm saving up vetoes for stuff that I think is better.

我真的不觉得斯蒂文森的火箭又行了，我觉得它已经进过我的前50名了。

I I genuinely do not think that Stevenson's rocket again, I've I think I've had it in my top 50.

我已经只剩下三个否决权了。

I only have three vetoes left already.

看。

Look.

我觉得我干脆直接投反对票吧，省得浪费时间了，马克，你看。

I think I'm actually just gonna veto it to, like, save us the time here because I I look, Mark.

我直接向你提出请求，考虑到这游戏是你第三十喜欢的游戏，而且你比我们都更喜欢它，它根本不配进入我们的前20名。

I am just gonna straight up appeal to you that is it is not worthy of being in our top 20 considering that it's it's like your thirtieth favorite game, and you like it more than than any of us.

所以我觉得这游戏早就该被淘汰了。

So I just don't think that this is I think its time is long past.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

那我就选这个了。

So I'm gonna go with this.

我觉得我们选《黄》和《长江》怎么样？

I'm gonna go with what about Yellow and Yangtze?

我喜欢这个。

I like that.

为了向老虎妹致敬，为了向老虎妹致敬，但我不认为老虎妹能入选，尽管我会选它。

As a nod to Tigress, as a nod to Tigress, but I don't think Tigress will make it even though I would I would go with it.

但我认为应该是黄与扬子。

But I think it's yellow and Yankee.

我真的很高兴我们进行了这场对话，因为我之前有点想，好吧。

I'm actually really glad you'd like having this whole conversation because I was a little bit of the mind of, like, okay.

我猜有人会提出老虎妹，但我并不喜欢这个选项。

I assume that someone's gonna pitch Tigress at some point, but I don't love that.

我更希望选黄与扬子。

I would much rather that pick be yellow and Yangtze.

我认为黄与扬子更配得上这个位置，也更具代表性，我觉得它在这个位置上会很合适。

I think that's more none none more deserving, but I think that's more representative, and I think it would be a good fit in the slot.

我喜欢黄与扬子

I like yellow and Yangtze a

一大把。

whole lot.

我不会在这里阻拦。

I'm not gonna stand in the way here.

我希望我能更欣赏这一点，我愿意更积极地参与这个游戏，以便更好地体会这种欣赏。

I wish I appreciated this more, and I would be willing to play the game more like at any time to get to that appreciation.

雷纳尔应该得到代表，而这，你知道，是他最出色的游戏之一，游戏系统，不管你怎么称呼它。

And Reiner is should be represented and this is, you know, among his best games, game systems, whatever you wanna call it.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，是的。

So Yeah.

很高兴能有它。

Happy to have it.

好的。

Okay.

好吧。

Alright.

19。

19.

我看着我的清单，只是在想，对于我自己的清单来说，有什么是我无法接受的？

I'm looking at my list and I'm just thinking what could I what could I not live with on my own list for what it's worth?

我很想知道，在我们如今这个美好的时代，我们会 veto 多少或多少不会被否决。

And I'm curious how much or how little we're gonna be vetoed and and this like nice era that we're now in.

我不是想故意伤害谁。

I like I'm not trying to be mean.

19年，我会选择《群岛》。

'19, I will select archipelago.

坦白说，我觉得我其实应该在几个顺位之前就选它，只是当时没想起来。

I do feel again in in candor and candor that maybe I should have drafted it a couple of picks ago and just didn't think about it.

这可以说是我在纯粹的德式游戏中最喜欢的作品。

This is pound for pound probably my favorite just straight euro game.

这其实并不是一款纯粹的德式游戏。

It's not really a straight euro game.

它是一款半合作型游戏。

It's semi cooperative.

它有一些机制在我看来是绝对创新且未被复制的。

It has mechanisms that I find to be like absolutely innovative and not replicated.

对我来说，我们四人一起玩《群岛》时，可能是我们最棒的游戏体验之一。

And to me, probably some of our best gaming sessions together as a group have been playing Archipelago, like, quite literally with the four of us.

是的。

Yeah.

我对这个选择很满意。

I'm happy with this.

这个不错。

This is fine.

这款游戏排在我前50名左右，而且绝对是BGB。

This is hovering around my top 50 and a game that is definitely BGB.

而且，是的，我完全接受这个。

And, yeah, I'm I'm totally fine with this.

嗯。

Yeah.

马克说出了我想说的话。

Mark just took the words that I'm out.

我对它的感受就是这样。

That's exactly how I feel about it.

它几乎要进入我的榜单了，而且我们所有人一起玩这款游戏的时候，绝对是和你们一起度过的前十次游戏体验之一。

Like, it's close to being on my list, and it the time that we all play this together is, like, top 10 game sessions I've had with you guys.

所以，《群岛》我绝对很高兴看到它出现在这里。

So Archipelago, I absolutely would be happy to see that here.

太好了，看到它。

Love to see it.

天啊，当你们推荐一款我同意的游戏时，我的胃真的会放松下来。

God, when you guys propose a game that I'm okay with, my stomach honestly unknots itself.

我感觉好多了。

I'm like so I feel so much better.

你一提到《群岛》的时候，

As soon as said Archipelago,

我就说，好吧。

I'm like, okay.

没问题。

That's fine.

我可以放松了。

I can relax.

这样挺好。

That works.

哦，是我。

Oh, it's me.

抱歉。

Sorry.

好的。

Okay.

我正在选择第十八款游戏，我最喜爱的第十八款游戏，我认为现在是时候玩《代码名字》了。

I'm choosing an eighteenth game, an eighteenth favorite game, and I think this is probably time for a code names.

我能看到有人会认为它应该排得更高。

I could see the argument that it could or should be higher.

这不一定是我愿意提出的观点，但我非常喜欢《代码名字》。

It's not necessarily an argument I feel like I would want to make and I like code names a lot.

我对这个安排没问题。

I'm fine with this here.

我觉得我对这个安排并不满意。

I feel like I am not fine with this here.

我只是不知道我对这个安排有多不满意。

I just don't know how not fine I am with it here.

我觉得《代码名字》——无论是哪款游戏，真正意义上的任何游戏——对我来说都是最具有集体性的。

I feel like code names of essentially any game, like like genuinely any game, to me is the most collective.

所以我只是觉得前10名会充满灾难。

And so I just feel like the top 10 is gonna be full of disasters.

我觉得是的。

I think that's yes.

我觉得这正是我的担忧，

I think that's my fear as

如果我们允许这样，其实我很乐意否决这个，直接降到第二名。

If we allow this, like I I'm actually happy to veto this here and just express, I'll go down to two.

再说一遍，我真的很希望看到它排在第10或第9位。

Again, I I I respect I would like to see this at 10 or nine to be honest.

再说一遍，你知道，我们这里争论的是语义问题，但对我来说，这值我一次否决权。

Again, you know, we're we're arguing semantics here, but like, to me, that's that's that is worth one of my vetoes.

我想，你知道吗？

I guess, you know what?

没人会被推翻，你知道，如果有人觉得

No one is overridden, you know, if someone feels

确实如此。

like That's true.

确实如此。

That's true.

就是这个。

This is the one.

但没错，我愿意投否决票。

But, yeah, I'm I'm happy to veto.

是的。

Yeah.

这些内容确实很有趣，因为我也能提出其他一些选项，但我认为，类似地，你说得对，它们应该排得更高一些。

It is some of this also gets so interesting because it's like, there's other things that I could also propose here that I but I think in a similar vein, you're right that they should probably be higher up.

这可能会是

That's gonna maybe be

这里很多争夺的地方。

a lot of the jostling here.

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

我想我得说声抱歉。

I think that I am going to sorry.

这实际上是第几条？

What number is this actually?

18。

18.

18。

18.

马克，我有点不愿意这么做，但我打算把《Agricola》放在这里。

I I kind of hate to do this, Mark, but I think I'm gonna put Agricola in here.

嗯。

Yeah.

我希望它能更高一些，但我绝对不打算否决它，把它从列表中剔除。

I wish it was higher, but I am certainly not going to veto it to expel it from the list.

这个没问题。

And this is fine.

这个没问题。

This is fine.

前20名就可以了。

Top 20 is fine.

我当然会把它排得更高，但我觉得这样也可以。

I would put it much higher obviously, but but that's fine with me.

嗯。

Yep.

我很高兴看到《Agricola》在这里被提名。

I'm I'm happy to see Agricola represented here.

这是个很棒的选择。

It's a great pick.

我只是担心剩下的那些游戏。

I'm just worried about what's what's left.

很有趣的是，我之前担心自己再提出《Agricola》会很困难，因为如果我提了，而有人否决，它就彻底出局了。

It's funny because I was worried that I could never propose Agricola again because if I did and anybody vetoed it, it would be done.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

所以我很高兴。

So I'm I'm glad

是的。

Yeah.

这种情况下还有一种奇怪的动态，就是说，嗯，我其实还挺希望它能出现在这里。

It is also like it is that there's that weird dynamic where it's like, yeah, I actually I kind of would like to see it on here.

所以，不管怎样，我不希望它被淘汰，尤其是盛宴已经没了。

So, anyway, I wouldn't want it to get eliminated, especially with the feast gone.

好的。

Okay.

接下来我要跟进我第17号的选择。

Then I'm going to follow-up my pick for number 17.

我打算提议一下，其实也有人在想，到底有什么游戏能填满第18个位置呢？但我真不知道。

I am going to propose it is actually somebody also just gets interesting thinking what could possibly fill 18 slots, but gosh, I don't know.

现在这可真难办了。

This is tough now.

我们可能都太客气了。

We may have all been

对我们彼此太客气了。

too nice to each other.