#357：我们玩了很多游戏！

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

当然。

For sure.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这真的非常好。

I I think it's really, really good.

我觉得它几乎包含了两个微型游戏，就它的阶段而言。

I I think it's almost got two microgames in it, like, in its phases.

比如，伊托的开场对话，然后是那种小小的社交推理环节——你打算让谁通过？

Like, the kind of the Itto conversation starter and then the little social deduction phase of, like, who are you gonna let on?

明白吗？

Know?

它真的非常有效。

Like, it it works really, really well.

我同意凯伦的看法，有时候当你不是外星人时，会感觉有点糟糕。

I do agree with Kellen that it can have some feels bad in the moments of, like, you're not an alien.

你只是回答得有点奇怪。

You're just answering weirdly.

如果大家都因此质疑你，那确实不太妙，很遗憾。

And if everyone's, like, calling you out on that, then that's that is not great, unfortunately.

但我认为，某种程度上，这种感觉是社交推理游戏固有的。

But I I think that's inherent a little bit in social deduction to some extent.

比如，你知道，但它

Like, you know, but it's

是的

Yeah.

而且我觉得还有一些游戏里，很早就明显能看出谁是外星人，然后那个人就被渐渐忽视了

And it also has the I think a couple of games that was like really obvious who was an alien pretty early on, and then that person just got kinda got written

是的，当然。

off Sure.

对于

For the

游戏的剩余部分。

rest of the game.

而且这样感觉不太好

And like, that doesn't feel good

也不好受。

either.

对吧。

Right.

你知道的吧？

You know?

所以，你能看出来，但时间太短了。

And so, like, you can see it, but it's so short.

完全没错。

Totally.

也许这并不重要。

Maybe that doesn't matter.

正是如此。

Exactly.

就像这是个十分钟的游戏，你可以反复玩。

Like, this is your ten minute game that you could just play back

反复玩。

and back

反复玩。

and back.

所以，是的。

So Yeah.

无论如何，关于《完全人类》我们大概说得够多了。

Anyway, that's probably enough said about Totally Human.

是的。

Yeah.

快速轮换、亮点、低光，都到此为止了。

So much for rapid fire, highlight, low light.

好吧。

Alright.

我想聊聊我在展会上的个人年度游戏。

I want to talk about my personal game of the con.

我担心大家不会相信我，因为我是这款游戏的代言人——毕竟我在我们最期待的拍卖会上为它起草了方案。

And I fear that I will not be believed because I am a shill for this game, given that I have drafted it in our most anticipated auction.

但这款游戏是汤姆·莱曼先生的《黑暗契约》。

But this is Dark Pact by one mister Tom Lehman.

整个周末我玩了三次这款游戏，这对我来说真的很少见——有两次是三人局，还有一次是双人局。

I played it three times over the course of the weekend, which is pretty unheard of for me at three players twice and then at two players.

我觉得它本质上就是一款牌组构筑游戏。

I think this is this is essentially a deck builder.

它说白了就是

It's essentially

我觉得你本来是想说，这对你参加任何展会来说都很少见吧。

Unheard of for you at a con, I think is what you meant to say.

没错。

Yes.

这在漫展上对我来说简直前所未有。

Unheard of for me at a con.

我就是想说这一点。

I just wanna say.

你刚说这对你来说是前所未有的事啊。

You just said unheard of for me.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

这听起来像是

That makes it sound like

在我参加的大会上，一个周末玩这么多次是前所未有的。

Unheard of for me in one weekend at a con.

《黑暗契约》本质上是一个类似《 dominion 》的牌组构建游戏，其中有倍数牌，两个特色，两个特色。

Dark Pact is essentially a deck builder a la Dominion, where there are multiplier card, the two twists the two twists.

因此，存在一些倍数牌，可以将卡牌上所有可见的数值翻倍。

So there are multiplier cards which multiply every value that is visible on a card.

如果一张卡牌显示加一行动加一抽牌，而你将其乘以二或乘以二再乘以三，你可能获得六倍的行动次数。

So if a card says plus one action plus one card and you multiply it times two or you multiply it times two and times three, you could get six x those actions.

你甚至可能获得二十倍的行动次数，这太疯狂了，感觉像打破了游戏平衡，但非常棒。

You can get 20 x those actions, which is crazy and feels like you've broken the game, which is awesome.

另一个特色是，有13个终局条件，这些条件由名为‘黑暗契约’的卡牌持有。

And then the other twist is that there are 13 endgame conditions that are held on the Dark Pact cards, the titular Dark Pact cards.

这些条件规定，如果你拥有30点未花费的金币，你立即获胜。

And those say, if you ever have 30 unspent gold, you win the game immediately.

如果你打出了整个牌堆，我认为你就会赢得游戏。

If you ever, I believe, have your entire deck played, you win the game.

如果你有20个未使用的行动，你就赢了。

If you have 20 unused actions, you win the game.

所以你必须激活那个黑暗契约，并满足对应的条件，然后你就能立即获胜。

So you have to have that dark packed out and you have to have that condition met and you instantly win the game.

并非每张牌都是唯一的，但市场中有10张牌，你需要放逐牌、丢弃牌，并重新安排它们。

Not every card is unique, but there are 10 cards in a market and you're exiling cards, you're trashing cards, you're moving things around.

这是我非常期待深入探索的一款游戏。

This is one that I am excited to explore more.

我对扩展包感到兴奋。

I'm excited for expansions.

我知道我不该说这种话，但我真的讨厌当那种人。

I know I hate saying I hate being that guy.

在我的印象里，扩展包和卡牌构筑游戏是唯一配套在一起的。

Expansions and deck builders are the only thing that go together in my mind.

是的。

Mhmm.

其他所有东西都不怎么样，但只要是卡牌，就给我更多卡牌。

Everything else is bad, but when it's cards, give me more cards.

我想要更多卡牌来玩我的《黑暗契约》游戏。

I want more cards for my Dark Pact game.

我觉得我能非常准确地预测你们所有人对《黑暗契约》的评价，那就是管理行动点有点繁琐。

I think I can predict very accurately what all of you will say about Dark Pact, which is that keeping track of the actions is kind of fiddly.

我对你们说，各位先生女士，你们只关心我别赢下这场竞标，因为这显然是展会上最棒的游戏。

And I say to you, sir and madams, all you care about is me not winning this auction because this was clearly the best game of the con.

《黑暗契约》，我真的非常喜欢。

Dark Pact, really loved it.

我听说玩过它的BGB玩家们评价不一。

I did hear mixed things from BGBers playing it.

我真的很喜欢它。

I really liked it.

我非常期待再玩一次。

I'm really eager to play it more.

尼伦实际上对动作计数问题有一个很好的解决方案，那就是用数学。

Nielen had a great solution actually for the action count problem, which was just math.

别提解决方案了。

Stop the solution.

数学就是解决方案。

Math is the solution.

我们还没完呢，数学还在继续。

It's not we're done with math.

嗯，是的。

Uh-huh.

我也非常喜欢这个。

I really like this as well.

说实话，这让我有点难受，因为事实上，这款游戏今年剩下的时间里跟我形成了竞争关系。

Like, it pains me a little bit because of the fact that I'm effectively in competition with this game for the rest of year.

但我真的、真的非常喜欢这款游戏。

But, like, I really, really love this.

这绝对是这个周末我最难忘的体验之一。

This was one of my highlights of the weekend for sure.

我一直在向别人描述它，说它就像是《领地》的加强版，就像凯伦说的那样，你迅速就能进入抽20张牌、行动力20的回合，然后你几乎能把整个牌组或者至少一半的牌都打完。

I kept describing it to people as, like, Dominion on steroids, like, all the ways that, like, Kellen described where it's just like, you rapidly are getting to turns where you're, like, draw 20, action's 20, and then you're just doing everything in your deck or at least half of your deck.

我喜欢Draft一个胜利条件的过程。

I liked drafting a win condition.

我觉得这真的非常酷。

I thought that was really, really cool.

我觉得这确实是一种‘我在我自己的回合里做自己的事’类型的游戏，这也能解释为什么它可能在两人对局时表现得更好，而不是人数更多的情况下，但我真的很喜欢它。

I do think that, like, it's definitely a I'm doing my own thing on my turn type of games and which was why I can see why maybe better at two than a lot more than that, but I really liked it.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一场让我觉得挺无奈的游戏，我明明有个很酷的回合，但没人注意我，因为他们都忙着准备自己的下一轮，说实话这让我有点烦。

It was one of those games where I was like, look at my cool turn and nobody was paying attention to me because they were so concerned with their next turn which kind of annoys me to be honest.

当这种情况发生时，我喜欢那种需要你时刻关注对手动态的游戏，这是第一点。

When that happens in a game like, I like a game where you have to like be paying attention and interested in what your opponents are doing, for one.

第二点，我认为这款游戏非常值得多次游玩。

For two, I think that this is a game that rewards multiple plays.

我没有机会玩够三局。

I did not have the honor of playing it three times.

我只玩了一次，整场游戏都在努力搞清楚卡牌，因为开局前我们根本没来得及了解这些卡牌的具体效果。

I only played it once, and I spent the entire game just trying to under because you know, we we didn't like go through what the cards were before we started.

整个过程就是边玩边摸索。

It was kinda just like figure it out as you go along.

我整个游戏时间都在琢磨自己可能买哪些卡牌、可能组合出哪些联动、什么时候该做什么等等。

I spent the entire game just trying to figure out what the cards were that I was like potentially buying and like what combos I potentially wanted to create and what when can etcetera etcetera.

所以对我来说，这次体验并不太愉快，但我相信一旦我更熟悉这些卡牌，我会喜欢上它的。

And so for me, it was not that enjoyable of an experience, but I could see myself liking it once I was more familiar with the cards.

但确实，当我坐在那儿，想着‘没人关心我在做什么’的时候，这让我有点烦。

But, yeah, it does kind of annoy me when I'm sitting there like, okay, nobody cares what I'm doing.

是的。

Yeah.

我基本同意所有已经说过的话。

I agree with basically everything that's been said that's been said.

这是一款卡牌构建游戏，能让你非常迅速地体验到卡牌构建中最有趣、最疯狂的组合和强力行动。

It's a the deck builder where that that gets you to the super fun, crazy combo, crazy actions, like crazy powerful aspect of deck building really, really quickly.

所以在你还没完全明白规则之前，当你手上有15个行动或者正在做一堆疯狂的事情时，这种感觉真的很有趣。

And so that's very fun, you know, before you know what you're you know, you've got 15 actions or 15 you've got you're just doing a bunch of crazy stuff, and that feels really fun.

但正如有人提到的，由于你要处理的事情太多，还得在脑子里记住自己该追求什么、正在获得什么，这可能会有点像单人解谜。

But as people have mentioned, because you've got a lot to do and you're sort of like trying to keep in your head what you should be going for and what you're getting at, it can be a little multiplier solitaire ish.

但即便如此，这游戏确实非常非常有趣。

But but still very very fun for sure.

完全同意。

Definitely agree.

我觉得难点在于，你知道别人可能会想要一张黑暗契约。

I think the rub of, like, knowing that someone else is gonna want a Dark Pact.

你必须足够留意，尝试删除或放逐其他玩家正在追求的胜利条件，这感觉是最实质性的玩家互动。

Like, you have to be paying attention enough to try to, like, delete or exile the win conditions that other players are going for, and that feels like the most substantive player interaction.

这里有一个类似《 dominion》的诅咒系统。

There there is like a curse system similar to Dominion.

但确实，我最喜爱的一次胜利是当牌堆用尽时，有一个独立的胜利条件。

But, yeah, I I my favorite win was when there there's a separate win condition if the deck runs out.

我找到了两张卡牌，能让我删除牌桌上所有的牌。

And I I found these two cards that let me delete every card in the tableau.

如果你在这种情况下结束游戏，实际上会用你的正面卡牌减去你的诅咒负面卡牌。

And if you end the game there, you actually like subtract your positive cards from your cursed negative cards.

克里斯蒂娜和尼尔完全没有料到这一点。

And Christina and Neil did not see it coming.

嗯。

Mhmm.

然后突然间，我靠着仅有两个正面亲和点赢得了游戏，我为自己感到骄傲。

And then all of a sudden, I won the game with like two positive affinity points and I was proud of myself.

所以我只是想结束。

So I just wanted to end.

这并不是一个轰动的故事，只是一个自豪的父亲。

There's not it's not a bombastic story but just a proud dad.

是的。

Yeah.

你为自己感到骄傲。

You are proud of yourself

很多，这个，这个

a lot this this

科林。

con, Colin.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我经历了一段历史性的连败纪录。

I went on a historic losing streak.

事实上，这

In fact This

如果我没记错的话，你赢的那局是和史蒂夫队长玩狗群时进行的。

was the game you won if I remember correctly playing Dog Pack with with Captain Steve

还有我。

and I.

你太开心了。

You're so happy.

我们为了帮我而操纵派对游戏，即使所有人都联合起来对付尼伦，我连写词卡片派对里都赢不了平局。那段时间我状态差到极点，持续了一天半。那是米斯特·莱曼的《暗影契约》，我现在甚至都不看一眼就会买它的任何扩展包。

I We were rigging party games to try to help me And even even with everyone banding against Neelen, I couldn't even get a tie in the like, write words on I card answer party I was down bad a day and a half into this That is Dark Pact by Mister Lehman, one that I would buy any expansion for sight unseen right now.

求求你告诉我，还有扩展包。

Please tell me there are expansions.

来吧，莱曼先生。

Let's go, Mister Lehman.

别再玩《Res Arcana》了。

Stop with Res Arcana.

你知道，《Res Arcana》只是路上一个小插曲。

You know, Res Arcana was a blip in the road.

我们现在玩的是《Dark Pact》。

We're at Dark Pact now.

马克，你是想玩一局，还是让我来？

Mark, do you wanna do a game or do want me to go?

你先来吧。

You can go.

我觉得，马克，你可以试着找出《Spectaculum》和它的不同之处，我现在回想起来，好像已经玩过了。

And I think Mark, you would be up to try to like tease out some differences with Spectaculum, which I think I have played now that I look back at it.

因为你玩过，是吧？

Because you've played it, yeah?

我玩过。

I've played it.

那是很久以前的事了，等等。

It's been a while back, but Wait.

你是在说《Spectaculum》吗？

You're about Spectaculum?

是的。

Yes.

他一直提到《Spectaculum》。

He keeps saying Spectaculum.

好吧。

Okay.

我不知道。

I don't know.

这不是一个真正的词，根本就不是一个真词。

It's not a real it's not a real word.

你为什么嘲笑我？

Why are you mocking me?

嗯，我觉得你

Well, I think that you

这简直就是阿布拉卡达布拉。

It's literally like abracadabra.

你刚才念的是‘spectacular’。

You You You sounded out spectacular.

我不知道。

I don't know.

好吧。

Alright.

我接下来要跟你们聊聊黄金之地。

I am going to be talking to you all about Gold Country.

我觉得我是唯一一个有幸玩过这个游戏的人。

I think I was the only one who had the joy of playing this game.

所以我会跟你们详细讲讲这个游戏。

So I will be telling you all about it.

凯尔来自Bitewing，他教了我还有播客的一些朋友玩这个游戏。

Kyle from Bitewing taught us this game, me and and some friends of the podcast.

这是雷纳·基内西亚对一款没有火车的火车游戏的改编版本。

This is Reiner Kinesia's, like, take on a train game without the trains.

这个游戏以淘金热为主题。

It's it is Gold Rush themed.

这是他对自己的游戏《Spectaculum》的重新设计，也就是《Spectaculum》，我

This is a redesign of his game Spectaculum, also known as Spectaculum, which I

好的。

Okay.

这个该怎么念？

How how do you pronounce this?

Spectaculum。

Spectaculum.

他们在取笑我。

They're making fun of me.

我的意思是，我不确定。

I mean, I don't know.

它可能是它可能是

It could be it could be It's

不是一个真正的词。

not a real word.

它可能是。

It could be.

我从来没听过

I've never heard

真正的、活生生的医生。

of true and living doctor.

我从来没听说过蠕虫。

Never heard of worm.

那是唯一能弄清楚的方法。

That's the only way to find out.

所以马克认为马克是唯一玩过《Spectaculum》的人。

So Mark is think Mark is the only one who has played Spectaculum.

现在我们就直接叫它《Spectaculum》。

Now we're just gonna call it Spectaculum.

当然。

Sure.

当然。

Sure.

但他可以根据我的描述对此发表评论。

But so he can he can comment on that based on my description.

但据我所知，黄金国度的主题比《Spectaculum》好得多，而且名字也更棒。

But from what I can tell, the theme of Gold Country is is much better than Spectaculum, and it has a better name.

这个主题正是字面意思。

The theme is exact is is exactly what it sounds like.

我们身处加利福尼亚的淘金热时期，正在采矿。

We are in Gold Rush, California, and we are mining.

我们在买卖矿业公司的股票。

We're buying and selling shares of mining companies.

当然，我们几乎每一轮都在操控这些矿业公司的命运。

And of course, we are manipulating the fate of those mining companies pretty much every turn.

所以我认为我最喜欢这个游戏的地方是它的规则非常简单。

So I think what I loved about this game is how simple the rules are.

我的意思是，我们大概花了十分钟到十五分钟就学会了这个游戏，而且整局游戏进行得非常快。

I mean, we learned this game probably in ten minutes, ten to fifteen minutes, and how fast the whole game plays.

游戏画面非常鲜艳漂亮。

It is very colorful and beautiful.

每位玩家一开始都会拿到一张秘密股票，这提供了一点小小的激励，但并不足以决定你整个游戏的走向。

Every player starts with like a secret share, which is like a slight incentive, but it's not so large that it's like determining your entire game.

每回合，你从袋子里抽出三个帐篷。

Every turn, you are drawing three tenths from the bag.

你将这些帐篷按常规邻接规则排列成一条路径。

You are placing those tenths in a path, essentially, that has the normal adjacency rules.

当你放置一个自己的帐篷时，你会替换一块小方块。

And when you place one of your tents, you are replacing a little tile.

这些方块拥有各种不同的能力。

And there are tons of different powers that these tiles have.

其中大多数要么增加股票的价值，要么减少股票的价值。

The majority of them are either plus a certain amount of money that the share will be worth or minus a certain amount of money that the share will be worth.

因此，当你放置帐篷时，你就在操纵股票价格，我觉得这非常有趣。

And so you are manipulating the share price as you place your little tents, And I thought this was a lot of fun.

我觉得每回合都有很大的灵活性，这让我非常享受。

I thought there was a lot of flexibility every turn, which I really enjoyed.

有个小东西，天哪，它叫什么来着？

There's a little oh gosh, what is it called?

不是那种五金店。

It's like the not the hardware store.

有个小商店

There's like a little store

你可以交易的房子，我想是这么叫的？

where you can Trading house, I think it's called?

是的。

Yeah.

差不多就是那个意思。

It's something like that.

那里可以进行免费交易。

Where there's a free trade you can make.

如果你抽出了三个帐篷，比如说你每种颜色各有一个，但你特别想要两个某种颜色的，而你发现交易屋——不管它叫什么——有你需要的，你就可以免费交换。

If you pull out three tents and you really, you know, let's say you have one of each color and you really wanna have two of a specific color and you see that that the trading house or whatever it's called has it, you can just trade it for free.

这真的很棒，因为即使你没多少钱，也能让你在随机从袋子里抽帐篷时有更多的灵活性。

And that's really nice because even if you don't have a ton of money, it gives you a little more flexibility in terms of what you're just randomly drawing from the bag.

还有些卡片可以在你的回合购买，比如说，如果你没有抽到理想的颜色，花3美元就可以直接买到你想要的帐篷颜色。

There are also cards that you can buy on your turn that just you can it's let's say, again, you don't have the perfect draw that you want, for $3, you can buy the exact tent color that you want.

所以你在自己的回合可以做出这些决定，从而获得更多控制权，但我觉得这是一款相当策略性的游戏。

So you you can make these decisions on your turn that do give you more control, but it's it is a pretty tactical game, would say.

而且确实非常有趣。

And yeah, it was super fun.

游戏节奏特别快。

It was super fast.

它在某种程度上有点狠，我觉得这种设计挺有意思，但我也感到很内疚，因为我破坏了别人的游戏体验。

It was a little bit mean in a way that I thought was fun, but I also felt really bad because I ruined somebody's game.

但再说一遍，这游戏时间很短，我觉得这样也没关系。

But again, it was such a short game, like, think that's okay.

希望没关系。

I hope it's okay.

希望没有彻底毁掉朋友们的游戏体验。

I hope it didn't ruin our friends' experience forever.

但确实，我非常喜欢这个游戏。

But yeah, I really enjoyed this.

我真想知道你们觉得怎么样，但你们还没玩过。

I wish I could ask what you all thought, but you haven't played it.

所以希望你们能尽快玩一玩。

So hopefully, you'll play it soon.

还有，马克，这听起来和《Spectaculum》很像吗？

And and, Mark, does that sound very similar to Spectaculum?

听起来有点像，但也不一定特别相似。

It sounds similar, but not not necessarily, like, super similar.

我现在在回想一下。

It has been I'm looking back now.

我上一次玩《Spectaculum》已经是将近四年前了。

It has been almost four years since I last played Spectaculum.

我要说，根据我的记录，我在那局游戏中大获全胜。

I will say that I will say that according to my records according to my records, I I crushed in that game.

所以现在我明显反对游戏中所做的任何改动。

So now I'm obviously anti any changes that have been made to the game.

哦。

Oh.

嗯，我认为现在唯一的办法就是你和我一对一较量。

Well, I think the only option now is to me and you Yeah.

来场直接对决吧。

Go head to head.

单色和黄金国度。

Mono and Gold Country.

黄金国度。

Gold Country.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

不过我刚才确实在研究这款游戏，想快速过一遍规则，看看有没有什么值得注意的地方。

But I was I was actually looking at the game and and trying to real quickly go through the the rules to see if anything jumped out at me.

有一点我得提一下，就我目前观察这款游戏的感受来说，你们猜它给我一种什么感觉？

One thing I will say in just looking at the game, and you know what kind of feels like?

它有点像《昆卡 Vadis》——提另一款莱因哈特·克努齐耶的游戏来说。

It kind of feels like a Quo Vadis to refer to another Reinhard Knutsie game.

Quo Vadis被改成了Zu Vadis。

A Quo Vadis moving to Zu Vadis.

这和Spectaculum、Gold Country的遭遇简直如出一辙，首先我一直念叨Spectaculum这个名字，跟我有多较真一样。

This seems like very close to what's going on with Spectaculum and Gold Country because first of all, the Spectaculum I keep saying Spectaculum like I'm being serious.

Spectaculum当初的设定特别站不住脚。

Spectaculum was very, very sort of, like, flimsy.

根本就没把它真正摆上台面过。

It was not, like, right on the table.

它的制作水平并不怎么样。

It wasn't great production.

《黄金国度》则好上无数倍。

Gold Country is light years better.

仅这一点，就很有说道。

So right there, there's something to be said.

另外，像祖瓦尼斯这种，所有玩家似乎都——根据我看了这个游戏后的理解，我不确定这是否是你们没玩过的某种变体，但这个游戏里有没有一次性使用的技能？

Also, like the way that Zuvanis like, all the players were sort of even my understanding looking at this, I don't I don't know if this is a, like, a variant that you guys maybe didn't play with, but are there one time use powers in this?

我们玩的版本没有这种机制。

Not the way that we Okay.

所以也许这可能是

So maybe maybe this is

我的意思是，除非你指的是我之前说的那种卡牌，比如花3块钱去买——因为还有其他可以做的事情，比如我举了个例子，可以买下你需要的精确的摊位颜色，但还有其他选择，我正努力回想一下。

a I mean, I I mean, unless it's referring to the cards that I was talking about where you spend like $3 to buy I mean, because there there were other like, I gave one example of like, could buy the exact share, the exact tent color that you need, But there were other things you could do too, like, I'm trying to remember.

也许指的就是这个。

Well Maybe that's what it's referring to.

是的。

Yeah.

也许吧。

Maybe.

我在这里看到一些关于强盗标记的内容，但在《Spectaculum》里根本就没有这种东西。

I will like, I I'm seeing here something about bandit tokens, are, like, not a thing at all in Spectaculum.

对。

Yes.

那些更像是中立的

Those were kind of, like, neutral

没错。

Right.

你可以使用它们来解除某些效果。

You were able to use, and you could use them to like deactivate.

所以有些非常糟糕的事情可能会发生在你的股份上，你可以用它们来阻止这些坏事发生，我确实用过几次。

So there were like really bad things that could happen to your shares, and so you could use them to deactivate the really bad things from happening, like I did a couple of times.

所以这明显看起来像是从《Spectaculum》演变而来的。

So it it definitely looks like a evolution from Spectaculum.

所以我会说，如果你对这个感兴趣，我知道我刚才说得有点乱，我不太确定。

So I would say that if you're interested if you're interested in if you're interested in that I know I know that was a very well, I don't know.

在我看来，很多人都是那款老游戏《Spectaculum》的忠实粉丝。

It seemed to me that a lot of people were big fans of that game, the old Kunitsi game Spectaculum.

但我玩了几次之后，并没有觉得它特别吸引我。

But I didn't in my couple plays of it, didn't really, like, you know, interest me too much.

所以对我来说，我对《Gold Country》非常感兴趣，因为我觉得他们做的改动明显更好了。

So it's for me, I'm very interested in Gold Country because it seems like the changes they made seem to be strictly better.

但同样，可能只有玩过《Spectaculum》的玩家才能告诉我们这一点。

But, again, I guess it will take a season Spectaculum player to let us know about that.

但对我而言，你对《Gold Country》的描述确实勾起了我的兴趣。

But for me, Gold Country has piqued my your description of Gold Country has piqued my interest for sure.

凯伦，还有什么要补充的吗？

Kellen, anything to add?

没有。

No.

谢谢你们尊重这个发音。

I appreciate you guys honoring the pronunciation.

坐在这里，当我们讨论《黄金国度》的时候，看着他的3D打印机。

Sitting here as as we're discussing Gold Country, sitting here looking at his three d printer.

我跟你说过别提这个。

I told you not to talk

关于它。

about it.

如果有人在展会上跟我聊天，他们都会听到你的3D打印机。

If anybody talked to me at the con, they heard about your three d printer.

是的。

Yeah.

他们还听到了你抱怨。

They heard about you complaining.

我正在为你制作

I'm making you

不不不。

No no no.

桌游配件。

Board game accessories.

别抱怨。

No complaining.

别抱怨。

No complaining.

也许有一点点抱怨，但主要是赞赏。

Just maybe a little bit of complaining, mostly appreciation.

那就是Gold Country。

And that was Gold Country.

我有机会

I got a chance

唯一真正的在世医生。

The only true living doctor.

我有机会玩了《Staked》，这是一款大概去年发布的游戏。

I got a chance to play Staked, which is a game, I guess, that came out last year.

这款游戏由威尔·德曼比设计，并由他自行出版，我认为他是本地人。

This is designed by Will Demanby, self published by Will Demanby, who I believe is a local here.

我从威尔那里拿到了一份评测版，谢谢你，威尔。

I was able to pick up a review copy from Will, so thank you for that, Will.

这是一款社交推理游戏，我们在聚会上玩过，玩家中有一些吸血鬼，其余的是主题为晚宴派对的吸血鬼猎人。

This is a social deduction game that we played at the get together where you're playing some number of vampires amidst a bunch of vampire hunters who are thematically at a dinner party.

游戏分为交流阶段和晚餐阶段，在交流阶段，大家讨论谁可能是吸血鬼，然后像其他社交推理游戏一样进行投票。

And there's like a mingling phase and a dinner phase where the mingling phase you're basically discussing who we think the the vampire is, and then there's a vote as you get in a lot of social deduction games.

这款游戏首先非常快速，而且像《Blood on the Clock Tower》一样，让被淘汰的玩家依然保有主动权。

This game, I think, first of all, is very quick and also I think addresses in a way that Blood on the Clock Tower does where eliminated players still have agency.

《Staked》也是如此。

This is also the case with Staked.

所以这个游戏的机制是，如果你被淘汰了，就会变成幽灵，仍然可以参与保护其他玩家，并与其他幽灵讨论该保护谁。

So this is a game where if you're eliminated, you become a ghost and you can still participate in protecting players and conferring with the other ghosts on which players to protect.

游戏中还有一种有趣的机制：获得最多祝福（游戏中称为‘盛宴’）或正面投票的玩家将成为猎人，能够秘密查看他们所选玩家的阵营分配。

And there's an interesting way where information is added to the group because what your players sort of gets the most blessings, they're called feasts in this game, or like positive votes, will become the vampire hunter and they'll be able to secretly look at the team assignment of the player they've selected.

因此，我不会说这是一款革命性的社交推理游戏，但我会说它有很多优点。

And so, I would not say it is like a revolutionary social deduction game, but I will say that there are it has a lot going for it.

再说一遍，游戏时间很短，玩起来非常快。

Again, the brevity of it, you play very quickly.

所以，如果你不喜欢社交推理游戏，是因为担心自己必须长时间扮演坏人并隐藏身份，那么这款游戏会很快结束，我觉得这点很合适。

So if you're a person who doesn't like social deduction games because you're worried that you have to be like the bad guy for a long time and hide that, it's gonna be done, I would say, fairly quickly.

而且，如果你不喜欢社交推理游戏，是因为一旦被淘汰就完全出局了，

And also, if you don't like social deduction games because, you know, once you get eliminated, you're out of it.

这款游戏为被淘汰的玩家设计了一系列有趣且能让你持续参与的游戏机制。

There is a whole series of gameplay mechanisms for players who get eliminated that I think is actually interesting and and will keep you engaged.

所以，如果你喜欢社交推理游戏，我觉得这款游戏最适合7到9人，甚至10人左右的阵容，我肯定会考虑入手。

So, yeah, if you're if you're into social deduction games, I think this seems to play best at some of the neighborhood of seven to nine to 10 players, a game that I would certainly look over.

我肯定会推荐喜欢这个类型的人去试试，因为我觉得它解决了很多其他社交推理游戏的问题。

I would certainly recommend people who are into that genre check it out because I think it it fixes a lot of issues in other social deduction games.

尼兰，你觉得怎么样？哦，尼兰和凯莉，你们俩都玩过这个游戏。

Neilan, what did you think of oh, Neilan and Kelly, you guys both played this.

你们觉得《Staked》怎么样？

What do you think of Staked?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得它

I thought it was

这是一个挺有意思的，但说实话，我本想更喜欢它的。

an interesting one where, like, I I wanted to like it more than I did, to be honest.

它的某些设定我觉得相当有趣。

Like, the some of the premise of it, I think, was quite interesting.

我欣赏它继承了《钟塔》的一些规则，比如有淘汰机制，但这是软性淘汰，你知道的，类似这样的设计。

Inheriting some of the rules from Clock Tower where you have elimination, but it's soft elimination, you know, you know, stuff like that, I appreciate it.

角色在游戏过程中会切换，就像《秘密希特勒》那样，大家投票决定谁可以成为什么角色，并且他们在游戏进程中会获得各种能力。

Having roles that kind of switch over the course, you know, like, a la like Secret Hitler where you're kind of voting on who can become what, and they're getting powers over the course of the game.

我喜欢这些设计。

I liked those things.

说实话，我觉得我们的游戏有点平淡，但考虑到我 personally 只玩过一局，而且那局我正好在吸血鬼队，吸血鬼领主在第一轮击杀时就死了，所以可能这并不是评估它的最佳方式。

I thought our game would fell a little bit flat, honestly, but I I think it's it's tough in the context of having played one game of it personally where, you know, that in particular, like, was on the vampire team and the vampire lord died on the first first round of killing, so maybe not the best best way to gauge that.

是的。

Yeah.

我不确定。

I don't I don't know.

我觉得所有社交推理游戏都像是彼此的混搭。

I think, like, social deduction games all feel like a remix of each other.

这个混搭确实有一些巧妙的创意，但依然几乎完全缺乏信息，还引发了一种类似‘湖中女士’的逻辑链条——比如某个玩家因为被喂了最多食物而成为英雄，不过我们就不深入讨论游戏里这种‘喂食’机制了。

And this remix, you know, had some had some clever thoughts, but like it still had a almost complete lack of information and then started a sort of, what do they call it, lady of the lake sort of logic chain with one player becoming a hero by being fed the most food, which we're not gonna get into the the feeder nature of the game.

但一旦某人被喂了足够多的食物，他就能启动‘湖中女士’式的逻辑链条。

But then once they'd been fed so much food, they got to start a Lady of the Lake logic chain.

所以我觉得有些有趣的想法。

So I I think some interesting ideas.

你知道，我愿意再玩一次。

You know, I I would do it again.

我觉得在这么轻量、时长较短的情况下，要超越《亚瑟王》对我来说很难。

I think it's hard in that lighter or that lighter length to topple Avalon for me.

很多人都尝试过，比如《秘密希特勒》，但都失败了。

And, you know, many have tried like Secret Hitler and failed.

不过，挺有意思的。

But, yeah, interesting.

比奶酪小偷更好还是更差？

Better or worse than Cheese Thief?

我以为你要说的是《哈姆内特》。

I thought you were gonna say Hamnet.

我确实想过。

I thought about it.

《奶酪小偷》非常有趣，轻松给九分，每轮只有四分钟长。

Cheese Thief is a delight, nine out of 10 easily, and the rounds are like four minutes long.

所以《奶酪小偷》更像是一款单夜版的终极狼人游戏。

So Cheese Thief is more like a one night ultimate werewolf competitor.

所以不适用。

So not not applicable.

比《哈姆内特》更好还是更差？

Better or worse than Hamnet?

比《哈姆内特》好。

Better than Hamnet.

《哈姆内特》真的被高估了。

Ham Hamnet is just very overrated.

这就是我们现在的看法，各位。

That's that's where we're at everybody.

我喜欢悲伤的电影。

I like sad movies.

我喜欢悲伤的电影。

I love sad movies.

我是悲伤电影之王。

I'm the king of sad movies.

《日落之后》是我有史以来最喜爱的电影，它极度悲伤。

After Sun is my favorite movie ever created and it's desperately sad.

我只是刚刚

And I just this

主角是一样的。

And it's the same lead.

什么？

What?

主角是一样的。

It's the same lead.

是同一个男主角。

Same lead actor.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

我的儿子保罗·卡尔。

My boy Paul cal.

对。

Yeah.

我爱他。

Love him.

我根本没听懂你在说什么。

I had no idea what you were saying.

我明白了。

I gotcha.

你刚才那一瞬间。

You for a second.

是的。

Yeah.

你是因为我搞砸了你的生日而开心吗？

That you you're happy that you short circuited my birthday?

我不知道这是怎么回事。

I don't know how that.

我很开心。

I'm happy.

好吧。

Alright.

行。

Fine.

那是Staked！

That was Staked!

这是设计师Will Demambi提供给我们的评测版本。

A review copy given to us by the designer Will Demambi.

我想插一句，我们所有人都一起玩过这个。

I am gonna jump in here with something that we all played together.

这是在最后一天发生的。

This was on the last day.

我们之前在上一期节目中提到过，我们当时想一起尝试的一款游戏是《秘密部落》（Secret Tribe），属于Juventia风格。

One of the things that we were trying to get together, which we spoke about in the previous episode, was our Juventia like game, Secret Tribe.

这款游戏由KMS Games发行。

This is by KMS Games.

这家公司正在将Juventia风格的游戏有效地引入西方市场。

They are a company that are bringing Juventia style games effectively effectively to to to the West.

这种类型的游戏在中国很流行，但在西方还没真正大火起来。

Like, this is a popular style of game in China that hasn't really quite broken big yet.

事实上，我们事后试图分析一下，这类游戏本质上是谋杀谜题类的互动游戏，每个人都会扮演一个角色。

They are effectively and we were trying to unpack this a little bit after the fact, but they're effectively murder mystery type event games where everyone has a role.

你会拿到一本属于你角色的书，自己阅读，里面包含一些信息——有些内容你需要公开说出来，有些则需要保密。

You're gonna get a book that is is your role that you read yourself that is just gonna give you some information, some of which you're supposed to say out publicly to people, some of which you're supposed to keep secret.

书中会详细描述你的角色时间线、人物背景等细节。

There's kind of the ins and outs of, like, your timeline, your character, their backstory, that sort of thing.

然后你们将一起合作解决一个谜题。

And then you're gonna collectively solve a puzzle together.

这个谜题就是：谁是凶手？

The puzzle being there was a murder.

你们当中是谁干的？

Which of you did it?

这些信息会以证据卡的形式呈现。

And that comes out in the form of evidence cards.

你们会从不同的牌堆中抽卡，这些牌堆代表你们在不同地点收集到的证据。

You're gonna draw from different decks that represent evidence you're collecting over the course of, like, locations.

我认为这是最有趣的一个环节，本质上是一种协作式叙事，因为这个环节并没有固定的结构。

And this is one of the most fun phases I found to be, which is effectively this collaborative storytelling because there's no real structure to this.

说明书上只是建议你们大约分配四十五分钟的时间。

The book kinda says to just allocate, you know, about forty five minutes.

如果你在阅读自己的角色资料时发现了一些有趣的内容，就把它们放到桌上，并说明这是什么。

If you read something in your car that you think is interesting, put it on the table and sort of declare what it is.

但这会引发一个自由讨论的阶段，有人会说：‘马克，你能告诉我们这本书意味着什么吗？’

But it leads to this kind of free form phase of someone saying, well, Mark, do you wanna tell us what this book means?

然后马克不得不为自己辩护，因为这本书里有些内容是他没想到会在那时向大家公开的——毕竟你无法预知仅凭你读的那本小册子，哪些信息会被公之于众。

And then Mark has in a position of having to defend himself because this book has something that he didn't think he would have to reveal to the table at that point because you don't know what's gonna be made public just based on the booklet you've read.

接着马克进行反驳。

And then Mark counters back.

‘尼科林，你这么说挺有意思，因为我发现了这个，突然间，居然有了针对我的证据。’

Oh, that's interesting you say that, Nicollin, because I found this, and there's, you know, there's evidence against me suddenly.

然后这种互动就在桌边轮流展开。

And that just goes around the table.

这些卡片的设计非常巧妙，总能与其他人之前提出的观点产生呼应。

And the the way that the cards are quite cleverly designed is always seems to be something that kind of bounces off of something else that someone else has done.

你知道的吧？

You know?

于是大家会说：‘我们先回到这个点，因为这张卡片……’等等。

And it's like, let let's come back to this because of this card and so on.

这个过程会持续到所有卡片都被揭示出来。

And this is happening until all of the cards are out.

你拥有大量的证据，正在试图根据这些证据卡拼凑出事件发生的完整故事。

You have a wealth of evidence, and you're trying to kind of form the puzzle, the connective story of what happened based on these evidence cards.

过程中会有大量讨论，更多卡片被揭示，最终，在大约一个半小时的游戏结束后，你会走到最后一步。

There's a lot of discussion, more cards come out, and then ultimately, you're gonna go at the very end of the tail end of this after about, you know, about an hour and a half of playing.

三、二、一，投票。

Three two one vote.

我们认为凶手是谁？

Who do we think the murderer is?

然后会有一个总结，并揭示所有发生的事情。

And then there's a conclusion and kind of a reveal of everything that happened.

这带有最轻微的角色扮演元素，但作为一个非常抗拒角色扮演的人，我觉得这完全不会让我感到不适。

It's the lightest lightest touch of role playing, but as someone that's like very role playing averse, I would say it wasn't at all a deterrent for me.

这更像是代入角色并以角色的口吻说话，而不是我所理解的那种角色扮演。

Like, it's more about like inhabiting the character and kind of speaking as the character more than like what I would say is like role play.

再说一遍，你可以把这个玩得非常极端，但如果你不喜欢角色扮演，完全没必要觉得这是个很大的障碍。

Again, like, you can do this as far off the deep end as you want to, but you certainly, if you're a role player averse, shouldn't feel like that's, like, a big deterrent.

你们觉得这个怎么样？

What do you guys think of this?

好吧。

Alright.

哦，抱歉。

Oh, sorry.

我不确定，但我认为这个角色扮演的成分太重了。

I don't know if I I I I think this is super heavy in role playing.

我说这个是因为我觉得你可以在这方面轻描淡写一点。

I I say that well, I guess the reason I say this is I feel like you could lean light on that.

甚至比我们做得还要更轻一点，说实话。

More even more so than we did, honestly.

是的。

Yeah.

我们刚才在聊马克的表现是我们所有人中最出色的。

We were talking about how Mark gave the best performance of all of us.

是的。

Yeah.

他完全投入进去了，我们整个过程中都笑得不行。

He really leaned into it, and we were just dying the whole time.

太棒了。

It was amazing.

剧透一下，但真的太棒了。

No spoilers, but it was amazing.

但相比之下，我觉得我们有些人则更倾向于想，‘我的角色会这么想’，你懂我的意思吗？

But then like in contrast, I think some of us were a little bit more like, my character thinks this or something, you know what I mean?

所以我觉得这中间有个范围，无论你是全情投入还是保持一点距离，都行得通。

So I think there is a range and it's it's like it worked whether somebody wanted to go all in or whether somebody wanted to be a little more distant.

对。

Yeah.

因为我认为，从最高层次来看，它完全可以被演绎成一位咨询侦探。

Because I I think like at its at its highest level, it could just be played like a consulting detective.

对吧？

Right?

你只是在逐条梳理信息。

Where you're literally going through the information.

但我认为，至少可以说，适当融入角色的背景会大大提升效果。

But it it probably I mean, I would say definitely benefits from a little bit of leading into the characters.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为在这一点上我有不同看法，姑且以最轻度的剧透方式来说。

I think where I disagree with that, like like framing, I guess, is and and in the lightest spoilery way possible.

对吧？

Right?

你可以既不是凶手，又拥有其他次要目标，比如隐藏某些信息。

It's like you can be both not the murderer, but also given like secondary objectives, let's call them, which are like hide some information.

我不会具体说那种信息是什么，但那种情况几乎——不，完全是角色扮演，突然有人指控你出轨，你就会想：这到底怎么回事？

And I'm not gonna say like what that type of information is, but like that's almost not almost, but it could be just entirely a a role playing exercise where all of a sudden someone's accusing you of infidelity, and you're like, what the fuck is going on here?

但那不是真的。

And not true.

不是。

No.

另一个机制是，你手册里的事实和桌面上卡片里的事实不同，而凶手被允许对手册中的事实撒谎。

And then the other the other mechanical thing, right, is that there are the facts that are in your booklet and then the facts that are in the cards on the table and that the the murderer is allowed to lie about the facts in their booklet.

所以这有一点像——如果你以最纯粹的逻辑解谜方式玩，它有点像《抵抗组织》或《时钟上的血迹》，都在问：谁其实并不想解开这个谜题？

And so that's the little bit of, like because you're kinda playing like, if you're playing it in the most logic puzzly way, it's a little bit like resistance or blood on the clock tower of, who's not trying to solve this puzzle?

再说一遍，我不谈具体角色，但我对内兰德非常怀疑，因为他平时玩社交推理游戏的方式就是这样。

And, again, not getting into any roles, but, like, I was very suspicious of Neland just because of how he normally plays social deduction.

我当时就想：这家伙根本没怎么帮我们。

And I was like, I don't think homeboy is helping us enough.

你懂的？

You know?

而且再说了，我们也不具体说哪个角色是什么情况，但刚才说的就是你在逻辑谜题之外还要做的社交层面分析。

And again, we won't go into which character is what, but, like, that's the sort of social analysis that you're doing on top of the logic puzzle.

我也说不清。

I don't know.

我觉得这局玩得特别好。

I I thought it was great.

我肯定还会再玩一次的。

I would I would do it again.

这并不是我会喜欢的玩法。

It wasn't, like, my favorite thing.

而且我到现在都没搞懂 Juventia 和普通的谋杀谜案游戏到底有什么区别。

And I'm not convinced I understand the difference between a Juventia and just a murder mystery.

我还专门去谷歌搜了，想搞明白这两者的差别。

I've like googled it to try to like unpack the difference.

但总的来说还是玩得很开心的。

But still a really fun time.

我很高兴我们能做成这件事。

I'm really glad we were able to do it.

我太喜欢了。

I loved it.

我迫不及待想做下一个了。

I can't wait to do the next one.

我已经开始试着推动计划下一个活动了。

I'm already trying to I'm like pushing it trying to plan the next whatever.

下一个是什么？

What's the next one?

嗯，我还不确定。

Well, I don't multiple to

可以从中选择。

choose from.

我目前没有另一个，但我会特意找一个，基于我们对这种活动的兴趣，也许会再搞一次。

I don't have another one actually, but, like, I I'm gonna make a point to get one based on our interest in maybe revisiting this.

但话虽如此，这绝对是一次性的体验。

But I I will say on that note though, this is a extremely a one and done situation.

你根本不可能玩两次。

Like, you could not play this twice.

很明显，这是一个包装好的产品，盒子里只有一个场景。

Obviously, it's a packaged product that has a single scenario in the box.

这个盒子实际上非常小，里面除了五本小册子和几副牌之外，几乎什么都没有。

And the box really amounts to, like, this very tiny box with little more than, like, five booklets and a couple of decks of cards.

所以，它相当

So, like, it's quite

但做得非常精致。

But very nicely done.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

我觉得，就它的本质而言，这是一款非常用心制作的作品。

Like, I I thought it was quite for what it was, obviously, lovingly crafted.

老实说，我觉得卡片和手册的写法，以及证据之间的关联方式，都设计得极其出色。

And, honestly, I I would say that in the way that the cards and the booklets are written, in the way that the evidence connect, extremely well designed, I thought.

看到事物之间的联系时，我感到极大的满足，而且对大家彼此隐瞒的信息感到兴奋。

It had a really big degree of satisfaction in seeing the ways that things connected and, like, being excited about the information that I was or that we all were keeping from one another.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一款游戏，如果你提前告诉我它的内容，我可能会认为我不喜欢，因为我某种程度上同意卡隆的看法。

This is a a game that if you told me what it was about beforehand, I would have assumed that I would not like because I I sort of agree with Callon.

它在很大程度上得益于玩家们对角色扮演部分的热情。

It is sort of like I I think it is benefited a great deal by having players sort of enthusiastic about the role playing aspect of it.

我的意思是，这是我唯一的体验，所以我可能错了，但我能想象一种游戏场景：大家态度都更冷静，只是按自己意愿分享信息，你知道，因为他们想隐瞒某些东西。

I mean, this is my only experience so I could be wrong about that, but I can envision a like a a gameplay scenario where everybody's much more sort of like matter of fact and just like trying to share information to whatever extent they want to, you know, because they're trying to hold stuff back.

但我要说，我们玩的时候还出现了一个通常对我来说是缺点的方面，那就是，正如尼尔所说，这个游戏作为一款悬疑类游戏设计得非常好，但好到你根本无法完全把握任何东西。

But I I will say, and the other the other thing that sort of became apparent in our play that normally would be a negative for me was, you know, because this is like a mystery sort of thing, the game, as Neil said, is very well designed, but it's well designed to a point where you really can't really get your arms around anything.

比如，每个人都有动机，而且我觉得这不算剧透，每个人都觉得自己有機會。

Like, everybody and I don't think this is a spoiler, but everybody has motives, and everybody feels like they have opportunity.

即使在答案揭晓之后，仍然觉得要弄清楚真相挺困难的。

And even after the solution was given, it did still feel like it was sort of like a a difficult thing to suss out.

我觉得你可以把它拆解开来。

I think I think you could break it down.

我觉得你可以，嗯，用科学的方法弄清楚发生了什么。

I think you could, you know, scientifically figure out what's going on.

但这个游戏非常倾向于一种模糊性，我认为这种模糊性在这样的游戏中可能是必需的。

But the game just very much lends itself to a opacity that I think is sort of probably required in a game like this.

你确实需要能够怀疑每一个人。

You do need to sort of be able to suspect everyone.

我明白这一点。

I I get that.

但这会导致一种不太像游戏的体验，这正是我玩《Blood on the Clockyard》这类游戏时最大的问题，比如，我觉得它之所以如此，可能是因为只有五名玩家，游戏时间相对较短，而且你一开始就能拿到所有角色信息，如果你愿意的话，完全可以代入角色。

But it does lead to, like, a less gamery experience, which is my biggest issue with games like Blood on the Clockyard, for example, where I feel like it's but for whatever reason, maybe it was, like, the fact there's only five players and relatively brief and, you know, you kinda got all your character information in the upfront, and you could have sort of inhabit the character if you wanted to.

所有这些都让我获得了比游戏本身表面看起来更积极的体验，如果我事先知道这些部分，可能不会这么觉得。

All that led to a much more positive experience than the parts of the game would indicate to me had I gone in knowing them.

所以，是的，我会建议那些和我一样喜欢游戏性更强、可能不喜欢《Blood on the Cocktail》这类游戏的人，不妨试试看，尤其是如果你有一群愿意深入投入的玩家。

So, yeah, I I I would say for for both folks who are maybe like me, who like their games to be more gamery and and are maybe not fans of Blood of the Cocktail because of that or games of that would say I would say give this a shot, especially if you have a group that is going to get into it.

我认为这真的带来了非常非常积极的体验。

I think that really made for a very, very positive experience.

我想提一点，因为这是一家非常非常小的公司，这款游戏并不在零售渠道销售。

One thing I do just wanna say, because this is a very, very small company, this this is not available at retail.

如果你感兴趣，制作这款游戏的公司叫Suspense Studios。

So if you're interested, suspense Studios is the name of the of the people making this.

如果你觉得有兴趣，可以直接从他们的网站下单购买。

So you just can just order directly from their website if that sounds like something you'd want to look into.

那就是《Secret Tribe》。

That is Secret Tribe.

好的。

Alright.

我想介绍一款游戏，因为我看到有人在Discord上讨论它后，非常期待玩它，这款游戏叫《Habeas Papam》。

So a game I wanted to cover because I was excited to play it after seeing people talk about it on the Discord was a negotiation game called Habeas Papam.

这个发音有什么问题吗，马克？

Any any problem with this pronunciation, Mark?

我觉得听起来不错。

Sounds good to me.

Pop them。

Pop them.

凯伦一开始试图让我们相信它的发音是‘Papal’。

Kellen was initially trying to convince us that it was Papal.

你说的是什么游戏来着？

That was a game of what did you say?

教皇至上？

Papal supremacy?

哦，原来如此。

Oh, okay.

因为你可能会像教皇选举人一样。

Because you could be like Papal elect.

教皇是什么样的？

What was it like the Papal.

是的。

Yeah.

是教皇，而你刚才说的是教皇。

It's Papal and you were saying Papal.

教皇。

Papal.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

但当时‘papable’是一个选项。

But there was like papable was an option.

但如果一个教皇是可选举的，那他就是papable的。

But like if a pope was electable, they were papable.

Papable。

Papable.

是的。

Yeah.

‘Papable’是个很棒的词。

Papable is a great word.

Papable。

Papable.

如果某人几乎就是教皇了，那他一定是papable的。

If someone is almost the pope, they must be Papable.

Papable。

Papable.