BGHT CampCon回顾第二部分（讨论8款游戏...外加一番吐槽！）

大家好，欢迎来到桌游热点话题。我是蒂姆。

Hey there. Welcome to board game hot takes. My name is Tim.

这位是克里斯。

And this is Chris.

这位是亚当。今天我们将继续露营大会系列的第二部分。几周前我们发布了露营大会第一集，当时我们去了俄勒冈州的Government Camp，租了间房子住了五天，玩了一大堆桌游。今天我们将回顾那个周末剩余的游戏时光，包括周五、周六和周日早晨退房赶飞机或开车回家前的所有游戏。

This is Adam. And today, we're gonna be covering part two of our Camp Con series. So a couple weeks ago, we released Camp Con episode one. This is where we went to Government Camp, Oregon, and rented a house for five days and just played tons of board games. So we will just be covering the rest of the games that we played for that weekend, the time that we spent there Friday Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning before we had to check out and catch our flights or drive back home.

这可能是我们从活动结束到录制回顾间隔最久的一次。希望我的记忆没出错——可能会有些细节记错，但应该无伤大雅。周五早晨我们以另一款复古游戏开场。

This is the longest that I think we've ever been from when we did one of these cons to when we recorded about it. So I'm hoping that my memory we may get some things wrong here. We'll see. But I think, I think lots of fun things to cover. We started out Friday morning with another vintage game.

这款游戏我只简单提一下，详细评测会放在下周的复古游戏特辑里。它就是《太阳探索》——克里斯最近淘到的游戏，亚当之前节目里提到过，这次我们终于有机会一起玩。今天就不多讨论了，只能说这款八十年代初的游戏会带来比想象中更有趣的讨论。

So I'm only gonna mention it briefly, but we will be covering that in more detail on next week's vintage game episodes. That was Solar Quest. This is a game that Chris had picked up recently. Adam had mentioned on a previous episode, and we got a chance to play it together. We're not gonna talk about it today other than to say I think it's gonna be a more interesting discussion than you would think about a game that came out in the early eighties.

接着我们玩了1981年版的《印度大亨》，这是第二次玩这款游戏，上期节目已经讨论过了。没听前几期的朋友可以回去补课。现在让我们聊聊周末新体验的游戏——其实不算全新，多数是重温旧游，但依然充满乐趣。

So next, we played Tycoon India 1981, which is the second play of that, and we had already talked about that on the last episode. So if you didn't listen to the first one, you wanna hear more about that game, go check it out. So let's get into the games that were kinda new for the weekend for us. Not a lot of like brand new games. A lot of these are games that we played before, but some fun revisits to these, I think.

首先是《执迷不悔》。这款经典游戏以维多利亚时期的英格兰为背景，玩家要通过举办宴会积累声望，扩建宅邸，最终目标是让年轻富有的夫妇与你家族联姻。游戏原名《Obsession》。

And the first one was Obsession. Obsession is the classic game of throwing up a party in Victorian England and trying to get the trying to get the most prestige and build up your house so that you can attract the you have a a courtship with the young, wealthy couple and try to get them to join your family. Obsession.

是的，就是那种痴迷。我觉得是费尔柴尔德家和罗切斯特家，还有那些非常高阶层的夫妇。对吧？他们是美国人吗？

Yeah. So obsession. And I think it's the the Fairchilds and the Rochester's and the some very high class couples. Right? Are they from The States?

他们是英国人吗？总之，我们——哦，他们是英国人。

Are they from England? Anyway, we're Oh, they're from England.

游戏里的美国人就像是那些低阶层的人。你不会想让美国人参加你的派对的。

It it's the Americans in the game that are like the the the low class people. You don't want the Americans at your party.

不，当然不想。那太糟糕了。克里斯非常喜欢这个游戏，他把它带出来给我们，又解释了一遍规则，感觉很棒。我不记得以前面对面玩过这个游戏，或者好像有一次面对面玩过，但重新体验并面对面观察其中的细微差别很有趣。

No. Of course not. That's gross. This is a game Chris loves tons and tons and tons, and he brought it out to us and explained, went over the rules again, and it was great. I don't think I'd ever played this one in person, or I feel like I did play this one in person one other time, but it was fun to revisit and see the nuances of it in person.

我在Board Game Arena上玩过。感觉不一样。我只是在点点点。这张牌是什么？我该怎么做？

I played it on board game arena. It's not the same. You're just I I'm just clicking through. What's this card? What do I do here?

但这里的每张牌都有一些小角色，一些与之相关的小故事，还有一些背景文字。比如这个家伙，他不想要任何仆人帮忙做事，所以拒绝任何帮手陪同。也许这对你有利。或者这个人非常难伺候。

But every card here has some little character on it, some little story that goes with them, has some flavor text. So this guy, he he doesn't want any servants to help him go do his thing. So he refuses to have any helpers go along. So maybe that's advantageous for you. Or this person need is very high maintenance.

所以他们需要两三个帮手、仆人陪同。我不想说仆人。这样说是不是有点贬低？叫他们仆人。我也不知道该怎么称呼他们。

So they need, like, two or three helpers, servants to go along with that. I don't wanna say servants. Is that, like, derogatory? Call them servants. I don't know what they are.

总之，你派出不同颜色的小人代表不同角色以获取其收益。我玩得很开心，重温了《执念》。我很乐意再玩一次，这款游戏融入了大量主题元素。

Anyway, your meeple different colored meeples you're sending out with these different characters to get their benefits. I had a great time playing this one, revisiting obsession. I would happily play this one. Again, tons of theme cooked into this one.

这次玩《执念》非常有趣。虽然每次玩都很快乐，但这次尤为特别——因为它让我有机会从'待玩书架'上清掉一款游戏，那就是《羞耻》。不，朋友，不是'机会'。

Well, this was a lot of fun playing obsession. I always have a lot of fun playing obsession, but this was actually a special play. And the reason is because it gave me the opportunity to get one of the games off of my shelf of opportunity, and that was a Shame. No. No opportunity, my friend.

这次玩的是角色扩展包。虽然我早在众筹时就支持并获得了这个扩展，但今天才首次实际开玩。它给游戏增添了不少乐趣：首先改变了声望家族成员的设定。

And that is the characters expansion. It's the first time I played with the characters expansion, which I backed on crowdfunding and got it was actually quite some time ago, but this is the first time I'd actually gotten that to the table. And it is a hoot. So there's a few things that this adds to the game. One thing that gets changed in this version of it is prestige family members.

除了初始宾客和仆从的轮抽环节，现在还能轮抽一名高级家族成员。这赋予你额外优势，但每个角色必须独占——比如我选择族长作为声望成员后，其他人就只能选儿子、女儿、妻子或姑妈等角色。

So in addition to drafting starting guests and drafting starting servants, you also get to draft one advanced family member. So what it does is give you an extra benefit that you wouldn't normally have with that family member, but you can't have one family member that is shared amongst the various people. So let me let me explain what I mean by that. So if I choose the the patriarch of the family to be my prestige family member, Tim can't do that, and Adam can't do that. They have to pick the son or the daughter or the wife or the the aunt, you know, whatever the other others are.

这种强化机制很有意思。他们还做了个早该实现的改进：提升了男性继承人（我总记不住他名字）的价值。原本他只给3点声望导致无人问津，现在增加了金钱奖励，终于能和女性继承人分庭抗礼了。

And so it lets you boost one of those family members, and that was kinda cool. They also did something that I don't know why this wasn't done sooner, but I was so pleased. They upgraded the may I forget the the name of the male Fairchild heir. Nobody ever wanted him before because all he did was give you three prestige, and so everybody always went with the daughter. And so the benefit here is they added money and prestige to the male fairchild, and so he's a much more attractive option now.

现在追求男性或女性继承人成了真正的抉择，两者都提供强力加成。但扩展包的核心还是新增角色——总共四个，其中三个特别滑稽有趣。

There's an actual decision to be made in courting the female or the male fairchild because they both provide you with some really cool benefits. But the big thing that you add in the characters expansion is the characters, and they were goofy fun. So there's three different changes. Actually, four, I guess. So three characters.

比如住在附近的古怪伯爵夫人，她那些异国访客可以被邀请到你家。这些热衷派对的客人能带来可观声望，但开销巨大——毕竟他们习惯了欧洲顶级宫廷的生活水准。

One of them is the, eccentric dowager countess who lives in the neighborhood. She has weird foreign visitors that have come to stay with her, and you can bring you can court them and bring them over to your home. Now they love parties, and they bring some real prestige with them, but they're expensive because they're used to living in the finest courts in Europe. So that's one way that you can change up your game. You can get some prestige guests by going to visit the Dowager Countess.

这位是治安官。你可以把治安官请到家里，他们会帮你清除牌组中那些带来负面效果的不受欢迎角色。为了契合游戏主题——要知道在《Obsession》中主题就是一切——设计者将主题融入每个细节。唯一不能对治安官使用的对象是美国女继承人，她们通常能带来大量金钱，但会降低你的声望。

There is the constable. Now the constable, you can bring to your house, and what they'll do is they will let you clear out your deck of all those undesirable characters that give you negative benefits. Now in keeping with the theme of this game, I mean, theme is everything in obsession, and they brought theme into every little piece of this. The only people that you cannot use the constable against is the American heiresses. The American heiresses usually bring you lots of money, but they bring you negative prestige.

说明书里的解释是：总不能真让治安官闯进来粗暴对待那些昂贵体面的客人吧。所以你可以这样对待底层人士，但不能这样对待美国人，因为他们是外地游客。

And the way it was described in the instructions was you can't really have the constable coming in and roughing up expensive fancy guests. And so you can do that with the low class people. You can't do it with you can't do it with the Americans because they're out of towners.

戏剧性十足啊，真是戏剧性十足。

Lots of drama there. Lots of drama.

戏剧性十足。接下来是牧师角色。牧师的作用是让你能稍加操控手中的目标卡牌。这里的主题设定是：你去拜访牧师，谈论人生目标——本质上就是进行心理辅导疗程。

Lots of drama. Lots Is of the vicar. And what the vicar does is let you manipulate your hand of goal cards a little bit more. And the theming there is that you go visit the vicar and talk about what your life goals are. You get it's basically your therapy session.

因此你可以丢弃目标卡，抽取新目标卡。当某张目标卡被一名玩家弃掉后，它会进入弃牌堆，而牧师可以将其分享给其他玩家。通过这些巧妙设计，你能更好地轮换卡牌、获得更优质的客人，并消除某些负面效果。第四个新增元素是二手仆人机制。

And so it lets you discard goal cards. It lets you take new goal cards. And whenever, goal card gets discarded by one by one person, by one player, it goes into the it goes into the pile, and the vicar can then share, you know, share that with another player. So lots of neat things you can do to help churn things like your cards and get better guests and to get rid of some of those negative benefits. The one other thing, the fourth thing that adds is the second hand servants.

通常你的仆人都是衣着笔挺、训练有素的专业人士。但现在镇上有了临时工中介，急需仆人时可以快速雇佣，但这些临时工可能引发问题——他们业务能力欠佳。从米宝棋子就能辨认：要么头发蓬乱，要么裤腿卷起，造型滑稽可笑，连棋子都做得一副不专业的样子。

Normally, your servants are buttoned down, sharp dressed people, and they know what they're doing. But there's like a temp agency in town now. And if you need a servant really quickly, you can get one, but they're gonna potentially create some issues because they're not very good at their jobs. You could tell these these folks because they have their hair is all disheveled or their pant leg is rolled up or, you know, they they look kinda funny in the meeples. They even made the meeples look unprofessional.

服务虽快，但代价不小，还会带来些负面效果。这个角色扩展包真的充满趣味，我玩得特别尽兴。

Quick service, but it comes with a bit of a price, and it comes with a bit of a negative benefit. So lots of cool things going on there with the character's expansion. I was so happy to play that.

这是我第一次亲身参与《执迷》游戏，体验远超以往任何形式的对局。即便在Board Game Arena平台异步游玩，也远不及这般乐趣。围坐桌边与其他玩家共同编织故事的感觉无可替代——虽然我们最初评测时是通过Tabletop Simulator进行的，但实体版首先在视觉上就远超预期：缤纷色彩与精良工艺让整个游戏显得格外奢华。

This was my first time playing obsession in person, and it was much more enjoyable than any other play I've had of it. Even, you know, know it's on board game arena and async, you know, that's just not quite as much fun. You're not getting to really tell the story with the other players around the table, but we even played this on tabletop simulator when we first reviewed it, you know, a couple years back and playing it on the table, first of all, it looks much more beautiful than I ever expected it to. Lots of color, a nice big production to it. It just looks kind of fancy.

这次体验实在太棒了！重玩本作本身就充满乐趣，而线下重聚更添惊喜。虽然回合间隔较长（每位玩家都需要策划事件并整合叙事要素），但聆听故事发展的过程足以弥补等待——特别是当大家全情投入，为「为何这两位角色要举办花园派对」这类情节增添个人创意时。

And I had a great time, Super fun play. It was fun revisiting this and certainly fun revisiting it in person. It you know, it is a game that is like long downtime between turns because every player is kinda throwing an event and they've gotta they they gotta, you know, put all the things together and tell the story. But it's it's it's one of those games where it's okay because it's fun hearing the story. And especially if people are, like, getting into it and kinda give it a little flavor as to why the, you know, why they're throwing a garden party with these two these two characters and kinda given given a little story to it.

游戏体验非常愉快，我尤其钟爱角色扩展包。新增的「二次机会宾客」（或称「二次机会仆从」）机制深得我心，不过...

It's it's very fun. I really liked it. I like the characters expansion a lot. I think I liked everything that it added. The second hand guests, I think it's a second chance guests, like or a second chance help or whatever, those servants.

我们似乎都没能有效运用这个机制。关键在于这些仆从不会像常规招募那样进入版图「完全使用区」——他们停留在中间区域，下回合才能启用。本意是提供虽带负面效果但能提前布局的次级仆从，但...

I don't think any of us use them or if we did, we didn't use them very effectively. But felt like that that piece of it, you know what we were talking about when we were playing it, is that idea is that you can get these, they don't go all the way to like the fully used section of your board, like normally when you recruit a servant, right? They go into the middle section, you can potentially get them the next round. You'll get access to them the next round. So the goal is that you're getting kind of weaker servants, they're not as effective, They they give you some negative, but you're gonna if you really need to set yourself up for the next round, you've got a chance to do it.

由于生效延迟，这些仆从仍显鸡肋。若能当回合立即使用会更具吸引力——我本可以在游戏中多次借力的。虽然理论上存在适用场景，但实际体验欠佳。不过其他新增角色各具特色，每张卡牌都为我提供了新颖策略选择。

But they felt like for the negative, they just they were still a little bit too slow. Like, if you could recruit them to use in the current turn, that would have been really cool. And I think I would have taken advantage of them a few times during the game. But I'm sure there's opportunities to to to use them, but I thought that didn't quite work for me. But I did use all the other characters at least once during the game, and each one of them felt like they kinda gave me a fresh option to try.

这些角色总能在我需要时提供关键助力。《执迷》从「中庸之作」蜕变为我的心头好，实体版与数字版的体验差异堪称罕见案例。我已迫不及待想再次组织线下对局——事实上本周就有本地好友邀约再战。

They gave me a little bit of a boost to my game when it was needed. And I had a really fun time playing Obsession. So a game that I've always been a little bit mediocre on, a rare case where I think playing this in person made a big difference to me versus playing it on a digital format. And I would be happy to play this again in person again. In fact, one of my local friends just this week offered if if we could play it soon.

相信很快就能再度开箱。搭配角色扩展包的《执迷》确实带来了美妙时光。

So I I think I will be getting this played again soon, I would be happy to do that. So, yeah, obsession with the characters expansion was a good time.

接下来，克里斯带来了他那盒关于火星卓越改造的巨作《改造火星》。我们把它拿出来了。这是一款经典游戏。我想，自从我们相识以来，大家都在玩这个。我自己也玩过。

Up next, Chris brought his giant box of Martian excellence terraforming Mars. We busted that out. One of the classics. This is one that we've all been playing, I think, since we met each other. This is one I had played.

这是我2019或2020年左右入坑时最早接触的新式桌游之一。我买了这款游戏，玩了上百次。疫情期间宅家无事可做，我们就整天玩《改造火星》。这次重温很有趣。我喜欢这款欧式游戏的地图互动设计——可以抢占别人放出的花园或森林，在旁边建城市得分，甚至往对手的贵重地块扔核弹来减少他们的游戏分数。

It was one of my OG newer hobby board games starting in, I think, 2019 or 2020. I got this one and and played it hundreds of times. Sitting at home during COVID wasn't anything else to do, so we just played Terraforming Mars all day long. So I had fun revisiting this one. I love this euro game with the map full of interaction, swiping somebody's gardens that they put out their tree forest or whatever, putting a city by that so you can gain the points or dropping a nuke on somebody else's valuable real estate there to give them fewer points for the in game scoring.

玩《改造火星》乐趣无穷。最后我们所有人的分数差距都在四五分之内。

Tons of fun playing Terraforming Mars. I think we all ended up within four or five points of each other at the at the end of the game.

是啊，这游戏总是很愉快，尤其是和我们这样都精通游戏规则的团队玩。大家都很熟悉卡牌，知道如果有人开始收集木星标签，就得提防他们的木星策略——这次恰好是我。可惜这招没让我赢。

Yeah. This game is always a good time and especially fun playing with a group like ours where everybody knows the game really well. We're all pretty familiar with the cards. We all know if somebody starts collecting up Jupiter tags that that's you gotta watch out for them in their Jupiter strategy, which happened to be me this time. Unfortunately, it did not get me the win.

不过说真的，我超爱收集那些木星标签。我们用的是我收藏的大盒版，这可能是最能体现豪华版对游戏体验提升的典范了。亚当，我知道你之前说过喜欢基础版的板块，但我偏爱这个版本——那些精美的3D打印六边形让你仿佛置身火星，视觉效果太棒了。

But, man, I sure did love collecting up those Jupiter tags. We played with the big big box set, which I have, and this is probably the best example I can think of of where a big production makes a big difference in the game. Now, Adam, I know that you've said before that you really like playing with the base version with the tiles. I love playing with this version because it puts you right there on Mars with these beautiful three d printed hexes. They look great.

它们简直让整个游戏活了过来，甚至让我因此支持了《方舟动物园》的同类版本。

They they basically bring the whole thing to life. It actually convinced me to back the similar version of ArcNova.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, you did?

是的。截至这次录音时，它仍在Kickstarter上。我不认为它...哦不，它刚刚结束。刚刚结束。

Yeah. As of the time of this, recording, it's still on Kickstarter. I don't think it or no. It just ended. It just ended.

总之，这不是重点。我认为这个版本的生产与基础版天差地别，我能想到的最佳论据就是，为什么有时候在这些游戏中大规模生产才是正道。

So anyway but that's beside the point. I think the production of this is worlds apart from the base version, And I think the best argument I can think of for why sometimes big production is just the way to go in one of these games.

没错。关于《改造火星》还有什么可说的呢？我们玩了很多次。我喜欢和你们一起玩。很棒的游戏。

Yeah. What is what else there is there to say about Terraforming Mars? We played it a ton. I love playing it with you guys. Great game.

超级有竞争性。克里斯，关于《方舟动物园》我们能说的是，当你拿到那个3D打印的精美盒子时，我们会在你附近的BGH T Con见面一起玩，因为我想试试。我没有支持那个项目，我觉得有点过头了，但我猜摆弄那些大组件、在房产周围设置围栏之类的会有点麻烦，不过我不在乎。至少我想试一次。

Super competitive. And Chris, what we can say about Arc Nova is when you get that three d printed box of goodness for Arc Nova, we're gonna make that BGH T Con near you so that we can play it together because I wanna try that. I did not back that. I think it was a little bit over the top, but I suspect it's gonna be a bit of a a little bit of a fiddle, mess trying to play with those big components, putting fences around the properties and all that stuff, but I I don't care. I wanna try it at least one time.

我觉得不会比《改造火星》更麻烦，而且没人抱怨那个。除了亚当。亚当可能会抱怨，因为他一开始就不喜欢《方舟动物园》。所以他可能不会太兴奋。

I'd say no more of a fiddle than terraforming Mars is, and nobody complains about that. So except Adam. Adam probably will complain about it because he doesn't even like Ark Nova to begin with. So you he might not be too thrilled about it.

玩完《改造火星》后，时间已晚，我们决定转向更轻松的游戏。这是蒂姆的启蒙游戏之一。我们不会深入讨论，我想我们会留到即将到来的特别节目中。这次玩的是《断头台》。

After terraforming Mars, it was getting late, so we decided to move on to a lighter fare. One of Tim's formative games. Again, we're not gonna discuss it too much in-depth. I think we're saving this for a special episode upcoming. This was guillotine.

我只想说玩《断头台》非常有趣。还有其他关于《断头台》的评论吗？

I'll just say I had a lot of fun playing guillotine. Any other comments on guillotine?

我会保留我的想法。好的。直到下一集。

I will hold my thoughts. Alright. Until the next episode.

直到合适的时机。到合适的时机。

Until the appropriate time. To the appropriate time.

是的。所以我们周五没什么可聊的，因为很多游戏我们要留到另一集讨论，或者已经聊过了。但从周六早上开始，我们桌上玩了一大堆有趣的游戏。可能这是我玩过的最棒的游戏日之一，清单上的每个游戏都玩得超开心。我们以一款经典游戏开场。

Yeah. But so we so not a lot to talk about on Friday because a lot of the games we're gonna save for another episode or we've already talked about. But starting in on Saturday morning, we had a whole bunch of fun on the table. Maybe this was potentially one of the best days of gaming I've ever had as far as every single game on this list was a blast to play. We kicked it off with one of our classic hits.

再次说明，我们已经聊过很多了。早上第一件事就是把《泛美航空》摆上桌。上周我提到过，我多喜欢边喝咖啡边学或玩新游戏。这次不用学规则，但哇，真是开启一天的好方式。

Again, we've talked about a lot. Pan Am on the table first thing in the morning. I mentioned last week how much I love learning or playing a new a game over coffee. I didn't have to learn this one, but wow, what a great start to the day.

确实如此。这次《泛美航空》玩得特别成功，因为我们完成了整局游戏。没有提前收摊，没人决定在结束前把它收进盒子。《泛美航空》这游戏很有趣，首先克里斯有个能力可以提前查看下一个事件，这很重要因为你知道泛美航空股票的价值。

Yes, indeed. It was especially successful play of Pan Am because we got to finish the game. There was no early pack ups. Nobody decided to put this one in the box before it ended. Pan Am, this was an interesting game because, first of all, Chris had this ability that let him look ahead at the next event, and that's important because you know the value of Pan Am stock.

股价会跌吗？会涨吗？显然如果会上涨，你这轮可能会买入而不是留着现金。但我想克里斯偷看了一眼，发现泛美航空股价会跌。所以他存了所有现金，那时我和蒂姆可能已经被迫买入或没买。

Is it gonna go down? Is it gonna go up? Obviously, if it's gonna go up, you're probably gonna buy this round and and, you know, not hold on to your money. But I think Chris took a peek, and he saw that the stock price was gonna go down of Pan Am. So he saved all of his cash, and it was by that time, I think Tim and I had already, you know, been forced to buy or not.

克里斯这招很高明，能预知未来。最后那个事件我从没见过，泛美航空被出售或破产，具体描述我忘了，但股价直接涨到10点，你能把所有航线卖回给公司。于是大家赚得盆满钵满，虽然股价高得离谱到10点——通常起始价是3左右，最高能到10。我从没见过到10点，但那时尽管我有几张能免费得股票的卡，还是远远追不上他俩在泛美航空的分数。超棒的游戏。

So Chris with the big move there was able to see what was gonna happen. And then on the final event, I'd never seen this event either, Pan Am sold or went out of business, or I forget what the event said exactly, but the stock price went all the way up to 10 and you were able to sell all your routes back to Pan Am. So a whole ton of money, total income for all the players, but with a ridiculously high stock price of 10, which usually I think it starts at like, 3 or something and and can go all the way up to 10. I don't know if I've ever seen it at 10, but by that point in the game, even though I had a couple of the cards that let me get free stocks at the end, I was nowhere close to catching up to these other two guys in Pan Am. Great game.

超爱这个。

Love this one.

没错。亚当，我想接着你刚才的话说，因为我觉得那些事件卡牌才是这局游戏真正的故事线，也是最值得讨论的部分。正如你所说，我能提前查看下一张事件卡的内容。几乎毫无例外，价格会随时间上涨，虽然偶尔也会有小幅波动。

Yeah. I'm just gonna piggyback on what you just said, Adam, because I think that those event cards were really kind of the story of this game, and I think the most interesting thing to talk about. Like you said, I had the ability to look ahead and see what the next event was going to be. Now almost universally, the price goes up over time. It does kind of falter a little bit, you know, every now and then.

但这局游戏里，我也是第一次见到这张价格暴跌的卡牌，可能发生在二战期间？具体背景我记不清了，但非常罕见。当时你们俩都买了股票，而我知道卡牌内容后选择按兵不动。这些卡牌彻底改变了局势。亚当你最后提到的那张，应该是航空公司创始人退休的总统事件卡吧。

But in this game, it was the first time I think I had seen this card as well where the price dropped precipitously, and this was probably during World War two maybe. I I don't remember the exact circumstances around it, but it was very unusual. And so you guys both bought stock and you knew I had looked at it and I said, I'm gonna hold off and and wait. And so those cards made such a difference. And the one you mentioned at the end, Adam, I think that was the the president, the guy who founded the airline retired.

大概就是这类重大事件。不过那张卡我也是初次见到。关键点在于，这些事件卡为游戏增添了无穷乐趣和丰富变数，这才是精髓所在。

And so it was something like that, some big event. Yeah. But it was also the first time I'd seen that card. So the point there, the takeaway that I have is these event cards add so much fun to the game, and they add such variety to the game. I mean, there it is.

想想看，我们玩过这么多次《泛美航空》，却从未见过这些卡牌。它们彻底扭转了游戏局面，带来了惊喜的趣味性。当然，常玩的人可能更熟悉这些卡。我们甚至讨论过，要是能有个扩展卡包就好了——虽然不可能实现，毕竟开发团队早已解散。

Again, we played that, you know, as many times as we've done Pan Am, none of us had ever seen those cards before. And that made a huge difference. It switched the game up, and it it created a nice fun surprise. Now if you're somebody who plays this game all the time, you probably has seen these cards more frequently. And so we were actually thinking at at one point, you know, it would be nice if they had an expansion deck, which they'll never have because, you know, nobody's designed, nobody's working on this game anymore.

Prospero Hall工作室现已关闭，但玩家完全可以自制趣味性相当的创意事件卡。所以在此呼吁：如果有能人志士愿意为《泛美航空》设计同人事件卡，绝对会有玩家捧场。这些卡牌确实是游戏的精髓所在。

Prospero Hall is now defunct, but you could actually have fan made cards that came up with events that would really you know, could be just as fun. So, anyway, just an idea if anybody's out there looking for, an opportunity, make some fan cards on, on Pan Am, some event cards, and maybe you'll have an audience for this. But those event cards really do add a lot to this game, Pan Am.

这样吧，设计师朋友们——如果有人制作这些卡牌的打印版扩展包，我们一定在下届展会上试玩评测。把设计文件发给我，我会负责打印封装。

Yeah. I'll tell you what, our board game designer friends, if any of you make a print and play version of an expansion pack of of those cards, we will play it and talk about it at our next con together. Send send it out to me. Send the printing file. I'll get those printed up and sleeve them in.

那会超级超级有趣。是啊。我打赌肯定会有人接受这个挑战的。我们走着瞧吧，看看结果如何。

That would be super super fun. Yeah. And I I'll bet that somebody's gonna take us up on that challenge. We'll see. We'll see how it goes.

接下来我们直接玩了《Barrage》。

We jumped into Barrage next.

这是

This is

自从长滩聚会后就没再玩过的游戏，那大概是三年前的事了。这次我们只玩了基础版，没加扩展包。关于这个游戏我其实没太多可说的。

a game we haven't had on the table since Long Beach together. That was, like, three years ago or something like that. And we just played the straight game. No expansions on this one. I don't have a whole lot to say here.

我最近在另一期节目里刚聊过《Barrage》，除了老生常谈的这游戏让人抓狂但我依然爱它之外——它确实很酷。特别喜欢看桌面上水坝陆续建起时版图逐渐成型的过程。这次对局值得一提的是，前半场Adam和Chris在版图左侧互相缠斗，建筑叠着建筑。而我直到第四回合都独占右侧版图，后来大家才反应过来：'咱们得去右边搞点事情，把Tim的地盘抢过来。'

I just talked about Barrage on another episode recently other than, as always, the game is frustrating, and I still love it. It's a very cool game. Love seeing the board presence develop when you're playing on the table with all these dams getting built up all over the place. You guy this this I guess the one thing I'll say about this play is that the first half of the game, Adam and Chris kinda fought with each other on the left side of the board and were building on top of each other. And I just had, like, full free reign of the right side of the board until about the fourth round, and then people are like, let's start dropping some stuff up there and and take take all Tim's stuff away.

有趣的游戏。我拿着扳手板块可劲儿用，结果还是输了，不过分差不大。至少让我感觉跟你们还有得一拼。不过操作起来还是有点笨重。

Fun game. I had the wrench tile. I abused it, and I still lost. Not by much though, but I I'm glad it gave me a chance to feel like I was in the running a little bit against you guys. So still a little bit clunky.

我觉得这游戏吧...Luciani的其他作品有些玩起来更顺畅些。不是说它不好，但就是感觉干啥都特别费劲。嗯...怎么说呢，玩着有点折磨人。

I think the game is just just I think I think there's some other Luciani games that that are just a little bit easier to play. And when I see that when I mean that is like, it's not like it's bad, but it's like it feels so hard to do things. And so yeah. I don't know. It's it's like it's a little painful.

不过还是很酷。酷游戏。

Still cool though. Cool game.

蒂姆，你的观点有点笨拙，因为这款游戏是

Well, your opinions are kinda clunky, Tim, because this game is

S级神作

s tier

绝对的。《弹幕》和其他热门曲目。我在用我所知道的所有青少年俚语，但玩《弹幕》时我超级开心。没错，蒂姆确实让扳手在他的资源转盘上转了一圈，把资源全收回来了。

all the way. Barrage and other bangers. I'm using all the kid lingo that I know, but I had tons of fun playing barrage. Yep. Tim did have the the wrench spin around his little resource wheel, get them all back.

泰勒，他一直在滥用那个功能。他拿回了所有资源，建好了所有水坝，拿了一大堆分数。他差点就要赢了，我以为他会拿下这局。

Tyle, he was he was abusing that thing. He got all his resources. He got all his dams out, bunch of points. He was running away with it. I thought he was gonna take it.

但这次谁赢了，克里斯？反正不是我。

But who won this one, Chris? Wasn't me.

没有。我被碾压了。

No. I got crushed.

不，我觉得是你。

No. I think it was you.

哦，对。没错。

Oh, yeah. That's right.

没错。是的。克里斯。对。克里斯，没错。

That's right. Yeah. Chris. That's right. Chris on yeah.

克里斯这次落后很多。亚当比我高了几分。我觉得是终局计分板块让你占了优势，因为我只在某个区域建造，而你遍布整个版图，那个板块给了你额外奖励。所以最后你拿了很多分。

Chris ended up pretty far behind on this one. Adam beat me by a few points. And I think it was I think it was the end game scoring tile that really did it for you because I was only building in, like, the one section and you were kinda building all over the board and the the tile gave you bonuses for that. So I think that's really got a lot of extra points at the end.

是啊，《Barrage》又一局精彩对决。这局重燃了我的热情——虽然之后没再玩过，但我依然很喜欢这款游戏。

So, yeah, another great play of Barrage. This kind of this play rekindled my my fire for I haven't played it since, but I still really enjoy Barrage.

我也是。唯一要补充的是（这不算新观点，我们说过），这局提醒了我：这游戏存在赢家通吃或惨败的风险。尽管如此，还是爱它。

Yeah. Same here. The only thing I'll add, and this is not new. We've said this before, but this play was a reminder to me that this game suffers from the potential for a runaway winner or a runaway loser. And and still, love this game.

虽然不至于让我放弃这个游戏，但确实很打击士气——你们在版图外圈的分数都甩开我一大截。大概第二三轮时我就知道自己没胜算了。但它设计得太出色，即便这点令人沮丧，我还是忍不住喜欢。《Barrage》就是这样。

Like, I don't think it kills the game for me, but it sure is demoralizing when I mean, you guys lapped me, I think, on points on the on the outside track around the board. And that's depressing. I mean, I could tell from probably the second or third round that I wasn't I wasn't even in in the running for this game. But it's still such a a well done game that I I can't help but love it even if that part of it can be a little bit frustrating. That's barrage.

接下来，我们玩了《蒸馏》这款游戏，终于可以聊聊它了。几周前我们当然邀请了游戏设计师戴夫·贝克上节目。我在节目早些时候提到过，我们最近用'原桶强度'扩展包玩了游戏——这是个非洲中东扩展包，但之后几周都没机会讨论。所以今天终于能稍微谈谈这个话题了。

So next up, we played Distilled, and we we're finally get gonna get to talk about this. We, of course, had Dave Beck, the designer Distilled on the show a couple weeks ago. And I had mentioned earlier in the show that we played with the expansions recently with the cask strength. It's a African Middle East expansion, and then we didn't talk about it for a couple of weeks. So we're finally gonna get a chance to touch on that a little bit today.

说真的，能线下重玩《蒸馏》太棒了。我之前只玩过这款游戏一次，就是和你们线下玩的那次，勉强跟上了节奏。后来在Board Game Arena上玩过，但感觉毫无胜算，特别是克里斯在场的时候。

See, it was great seeing this one again in person distilled. I had really only played this one. I played it once in person with you guys, and I hung in there. I was okay. And then I'd since played it on board game arena, And I just kinda feel like I have no chance, especially when Chris is playing.

他玩这个简直是鲨鱼级别，这是他最爱的游戏之一。这次线下重玩时，你们帮我回顾了规则，让我真正意识到自己能做什么，以及如何酿出美味烈酒。这次用的中东扩展包，我们几乎是被迫使用这些新配方——它们都要求对你酿造的烈酒进行陈酿，这方面我经验不足。所以被迫探索游戏新机制的感觉很棒，我玩得很开心。

He's a shark at this one, one of his favorite games. But played it in person, have you guys refresh me on some of the rules, and I was able to realize have some more realizations about what I can actually do and how to make some some yummy spirits. So this one, the Middle East expansion, which we kinda all forced ourselves to use these recipes, they all call for aging the spirits that you're making, which is something, again, I wasn't too experienced with. So it was nice to be forced to explore a different part of the game. And I had a lot of fun.

我有几个能添加额外陈酿风味的升级项，不管最终味道像创可贴、烟熏美味的熊洞（？），还是我想尝试的酱油味——虽然可能不太妙——这些风味总是很有趣。每次玩我都想说：这游戏的幽默感实在太棒了。

I had a couple upgrades that allow me to add some extra aging flavor in there, and those are always nice whether they taste like Band Aids or smoky delicious pokey bear hole or so I wanted to do it was like soy sauce. That's probably not good. But those are a delight. There's I always say this every time. There's such a great sense of humor in this one.

不知道这种幽默感哪来的，毕竟戴夫·贝克本人毫无幽默细胞。开玩笑的戴夫。如果你...

I don't know where that comes from because Dave Beck has zero sense of humor. Just kidding, Dave. If you're Just

开玩笑的戴夫。

kidding, Dave.

...在听的话。真的是开玩笑。很荣幸邀请戴夫·贝克上节目。如果还没听那期，他聊到了即将推出的鸡尾酒扩展包内容——现在可能还能在某个平台参与晚鸟众筹。这次《蒸馏》的游戏体验非常愉快。

If you're listening yeah. Just kidding. It was a pleasure to have Dave Beck on the show. If you haven't heard that, he talks about all the expansion content that's coming up in the cocktails expansion, which recently, you could probably still late pledge for it somewhere. A lot of fun playing distilled in this play.

我并不是没能和你们一起玩。其实某种程度上我和你们一起玩了。虽然最后你们比我领先不少分，但我感觉自己发挥得不错，所以这对我来说也算是一场胜利。

I didn't I wasn't able to hang with you guys. Like, I kinda hung with you guys. I think you guys ended up, you know, a decent amount of points ahead of me, but I felt good like I had a quality play. So it was a it was a victory for me.

能和你们一起玩扩展内容让我特别兴奋，因为我们之前从没尝试过，而且这是我第二次接触扩展内容。第一次是和家人玩，但他们不像我这么热衷这款游戏。所以这是第一次有机会和真正喜欢这游戏的人一起体验扩展内容。原桶强度的玩法很棒，新增的卡牌等元素也很有趣。

Well, I was thrilled to play the expansion content with you guys because we had not done that before, and it was only the second chance I had to play with the expansion content. In the first time I was playing with my family, and they they they weren't as big a fans of this game as I am. So this is the first time I got a chance to play the expansion content with people who are actually digging the game along with me. So the cask strength, enjoyed a few of the pieces that it added. One thing is, some new cards.

扩展包增加了很多新内容，本质上就是更多游戏元素。但还引入了所谓的动态市场机制——每轮会列出一些商品清单，它们要么涨价要么打折。通常还会配个现实世界的情境设定，比如南美飓风导致美洲商品涨价之类的。

So there's a bunch of new content that's basically more stuff. But it adds also what's called the dynamic market mechanic. And what that does is it gives you a list of things each round that's going to either cost more money or you're gonna get a discount on. And there's usually some kind of like a a real world type of scenario around it like hurricanes in the in South America. And so anything from The Americas is gonna become more expensive.

就是这类设定。而且你能预知下轮行情，因为就像现实世界一样，这些事件对市场的影响需要时间发酵。在处理当前回合时，你就知道下轮会发生什么。我觉得这个设计很有意思。

You know? So the things like that. And you know what's gonna be coming up in the next round because as in real life, you know, the impacts of some of these events take a little while to settle into the market. But you've you know what's happening next round as you're dealing with the stuff from the current round. So I I enjoyed that.

这个机制玩起来特别带劲。还有个看似微小但影响深远的规则改动：允许立即出售陈年烈酒。设定上是把整桶酒卖给收藏家，由他们自行陈酿。虽然享受不到风味卡牌的陈年加成，但能即时套现——这在以前是不行的，以前必须陈酿完才能卖，缺钱时只能靠举办品鉴会牺牲分数来周转。

I thought that was a lot of fun. Also added in, I think, a really nice, very minor rules change, but I thought it was impactful to the game, and that was allowing you to sell aged spirits right away. The the kind of the concept there being that you're selling the entire barrel of whatever it is to a collector, and then they age it on their own. So clearly, you're not going to get the same benefit that you'd get from the the aging and all of those flavor cards, but it does give you the chance to sell a spirit right away even if it's an aged spirit, which before you couldn't do. You basically were stuck aging that one, and then you had to get any money you needed for the next round to buy stuff.

没人喜欢被迫举办品鉴会。说到非洲中东扩展（亚当你刚才提过），我觉得超酷。新增了酒类品种和蒸馏师角色，还有其他内容扩充。

You had to get by holding tastings and giving up points, and nobody likes doing that. And so the African Middle East, you talked about that a little bit, Adam. I thought that was really cool. It brought in new spirits. It brings in new distillers, plus some more additional content, some more more stuff kind of additions.

这些新增内容带来了新鲜感和趣味性，特别是那些冷门酒种的设定。从主题性来说，这游戏始终让人欲罢不能。你们知道的，我热爱烈酒文化，所以这游戏确实让我精神高涨。

I thought that added some really nice variety and some kind of some fun pieces to spirits that we don't hear about a whole lot. And so I think thematically, this game is always a blast. You know that I I love my spirits. So this game does indeed put me in high spirits.

嗯，我很好。我想先谈谈在那个动态市场中桶装强度扩张的事。我觉得那非常有趣。它讲述了一个关于游戏的小故事，但也让我更有动力在这一轮蒸馏一些东西，原本我可能打算选择其他方案，因为所需的原料成本稍低，或者我想要的另一种配方原料会太昂贵。

Mhmm. I so okay. I wanna talk about the cask strength expansion first in that dynamic market. I thought that was fascinating. It told a little story about the game, but also made me more motivated to distill something this round that I maybe was gonna go for something else because the ingredients I needed were a little bit less expensive or the ingredients I wanted for something else would have been too expensive.

这很巧妙。所以我认为这是拼图中一个有趣的小部分，虽然没有大幅改变游戏，但增添的内容恰到好处，让我觉得还有其他需要考虑的因素。我确实很喜欢你可以立即出售陈年烈酒的规则。我认为这是个非常好的规则。你知道，如果基础版里就有这个规则，那就太棒了。

That was clever. So I thought that was a fun little piece of the puzzle, didn't change the game much, but added just enough to make me feel like I had something else to be thinking about. I did really like that you could sell aged spirit right away. I think that's a perfectly good rule. You know, if it had existed in the base box, that would've been awesome.

我们之前玩过一次，我也曾用只允许出售陈年烈酒的配方集玩过。这两次玩的时候，我都有些错过了出售一些更便宜的非陈年烈酒以加快进程的机会。所以我觉得以后我不会特意再选那种配方集了。另外我们在设置时还犯了一个错误，就是大家都想利用非洲中东扩展的新角色，结果我们都选了非洲或中东角色，这意味着大家都在争夺同类型的酒瓶或追求相同的目标。这样一来，大家各自追求的动力就少了些动态变化，我觉得当每个人都有自己专注的特色国家时会更有趣。

We've played once before, I have played once before with a recipe set that only allows you to sell aged spirits. Both times I played that I kind of missed the opportunity to sell some cheaper, like non aged spirits and get things moving a little bit quicker. So I don't think I would intentionally pick one of those recipe sets again in the future. And then I think we made one other mistake when we set up and that is that we all wanted to take advantage of the new characters the African Middle East expansion, which meant that we all had Africa or Middle East characters, that meant we were all going for the same types of bottles or going for the same goals and things like that. And so there's a little bit less of a dynamic like motivation for what you're trying to get, which I think is it's more fun when everybody's kind of got their own special country that they're trying to focus on.

除此之外，所有额外内容都很棒。两个扩展包中有一个（我不记得是哪个）增加了一些新的万能原料卡，可以替代不同类型的糖。那是什么？像是葡萄糖之类的。偶尔看到这些卡出现感觉很不错。

But otherwise, all the extra content was great. One of the two expansions, I don't remember which one adds some new kind of wild ingredient cards that count for the different types of sugars. I what is that? Like glucose sugars or something like that. That was nice to see those come up once in a while.

虽然你需要为它们多付一点钱，但它们提供了灵活性，你可以把它们加入配方中，这样无论结果如何，你很可能都能得到需要的原料。总之，这两个扩展包没有带来巨大改变，但玩起来非常有趣。我真的很享受在桌面上玩这款游戏，非常有意思。虽然我见过有些对局时间拖得较长，但通常都是新玩家导致的。

You pay a little bit more for them, but it gives you that flexibility that you can drop them in a recipe and and make what you know, whatever comes out, you'll probably get the the ingredient you need. So, all in, really fun, not a big change on these two expansions, but a great play of distilled. I really enjoy playing this on the table. It's very fun. And I have seen some plays of this game go a little bit long, but I think it's usually newer players.

我觉得我们这次进行得相当快。对我来说游戏时间恰到好处，所以玩得很开心。特别是在戴夫·贝克谈论过后，我对即将推出的新鸡尾酒扩展包感到非常兴奋——虽然当你听到这里时Kickstarter众筹已经结束了，但我有几个本地朋友已经表示要支持它。

We I think we ran through this fairly quickly. It did not outstay its welcome for me. So I had fun with it. I'm very excited, especially after Dave Beck talked about it. But after this play of that new cocktails, expansion that's that's gonna be coming out, the the Kickstarter is already over by the time you hear this, but, I've got a couple friends, couple local friends that have already said they're gonna back it.

所以我会有机会玩到。而且我知道克里斯也支持了。现在我非常期待能玩到它。总之，是的，很棒的对局。

So I will get to play that. And I know Chris is back in it as well. So I'm very excited to play that now. But great yeah. Great play.

太棒了太棒了，又能和你们一起讨论这个了。克里斯，总是这么有趣。你知道，这款游戏的主题正是你热衷的类型对吧？就像你其他爱好一样。看到你对游戏如此投入，那种痴迷劲儿，真的很感染人。

Great great getting this on the table with you guys again. And Chris, always fun. You know, this is one of those games that's like you're you love the theme of this, right? This is like one of your other hobbies. And so the fact that you're just like super into the game, kind of kind of the way that you got about obsession too, just being into the game.

能和一个纯粹热爱游戏的人共享这份快乐，和你们一起玩真是过瘾。接下来我们要聊《沙丘：帝国崛起》。当然，我们每次展会都会玩《沙丘帝国》，但这次很特别——我们完全没使用任何扩展包。

It's fun to to just have the joy of somebody who just loves the game that playing and be playing with you guys. It was it was a blast. Alright. So we moved into Dune Imperium Uprising next. And, of course, we always play Dune Imperium at these conventions, but this was a little bit unique because we didn't play with any expansions.

纯粹体验《沙丘：帝国崛起》基础版。这是我们自评测这个独立扩展后首次游玩。不得不说，这游戏可能根本不需要扩展——仅用基础版可能是我最享受的一次体验，没有其他扩展干扰，玩得超级尽兴。

So Dune Imperium Uprising only. It's the first time we played it since we originally reviewed this standalone expansion. And I gotta say, I'm not sure this game needs any expansions. This might've been one of my favorite plays of the game with just straight Doom and Imperium Uprising, no other expansions. So I had a blast playing it.

虽然记不清所有细节，但记得尝试某些策略时特别有趣。我这局重点押注班尼·杰瑟里特，试图组合卡牌连招...可惜最终没成功。你们几位胜负咬得很紧，但我依然玩得超开心，尝试全新战术本身就是乐趣。总之，《沙丘帝国》...

Don't remember all the things that happened in the game, but I remember having a fun time playing around with some of these strategies. I think I went really heavy Benny Jazzerit on this one, and I was trying to combo a of cards together, and I was. And it didn't end up working out for me. I I know you guys, were were in close competition for the win, but I still had a blast playing it and trying a new new, strategy with it. But, yeah, Duned Imperium,

绝对爆款。《沙丘：帝国崛起》这局其实没那么胶着，克里斯后期基本掌控全局，以三四分优势碾压取胜。我勉强保持竞争力...

a hit. Duned Imperium uprising, I don't think it was that close competition. Chris kinda owned this one from the latter stages on. I think he had a pretty dominant victory, three, four points ahead of everybody. I try to hang in there.

我喜欢崛起版的全新版图设计，但需要额外适应时间——原版《沙丘帝国》玩太多，看到新版行动格总会愣住：

I like uprising here because the the spaces are all different. So it it takes me a little extra time to figure out what I wanna do. I'm so used to the original Dune Imperium that when I see these oh, wait a minute. That's not what I was expecting. So I have to take a few extra seconds to think every turn and figure out what I wanna do.

卡牌市场设计也绝妙。那套卡组几乎没废牌，每张都强得让人想全部收入囊中。

The card market. I wanna talk about the cards in that deck too. They're they are all so fantastic. There's hardly any Riz Ohio cards up there. They're all super good, and I wanna buy them all.

我很难集中精力制定策略。我还不熟悉所有卡牌组合，所以在《沙丘：帝国崛起》中我仍处于探索阶段。我们之前也讨论过扩展包的问题。

I had trouble focusing in on a strategy. I don't know all the combs combinations yet, so there's a bit of exploration still going on for me here in Dune Imperial Uprising. And we have talked about the expansions.

《血脉》是《崛起》的扩展包，另外两个《X的崛起》和《不朽》则是基础游戏的两个扩展。

Bloodlines is the expansion for Uprising, and then and then the other two are Rise of X and Immortality are the two that were for the base game.

没错。《血脉》增加了那些能带来增益的特殊士兵。就像你说的，蒂姆，我更喜欢没有扩展包的版本，更简洁些。那些索多卡指挥官会额外增加些操作时间。

Right. So Bloodlines, it adds extra you have those extra soldiers that give you those benefits. Like you were saying, Tim, I liked it without any expansions here. It's a little cleaner. I think they're the Sodokar commanders that add a little extra time.

嗯。或许我要用个不太好的词——在不需要的情况下玩《帝国崛起》会有点冗余。这个基础游戏本身就非常棒。再次强调，玩《帝国崛起》真的很有趣。

Mhmm. Maybe I'm gonna say the b word, a little extra bloat to do an imperium uprising when it doesn't need it. The base game here is just fantastic. So a lot of fun, again, playing, do an imperium uprising.

我们花了这么多时间讨论《帝国崛起》，感觉现在唯一要谈的就是最佳玩法了。我们总会稍微涉及这个话题。比如最佳组合是什么——虽然我可能说过，但我真心认为怎么玩都不会错。这个游戏的所有版本都很出色。不过我要大胆说一句，唯一可能出错的方式就是只玩《沙丘：帝国》基础版。

We've spent so many words on do an imperium that I feel like the only thing left to talk about is what's the best way to play this? And we always get into that a little bit. Like, what's the best combination of and I think I've said this before, but I really don't think you can go wrong. I think that all the versions of this game are outstanding. The only well, gonna go out on a limb here and say the only way you can go wrong is by just playing Dune Imperium base game.

其实这也不算错，但加入《IX》和《不朽》确实有明显提升。《崛起》是个很棒的独立扩展包。唯一我不太热衷的扩展是《血脉》。亚当，我某种程度上同意你的观点。那些索多卡指挥官增加的新规则负担有点过重，玩起来并不特别有趣。

And even that's not really wrong, but I think that there are clear benefits from adding in IX and Immortality. Uprising is a fantastic standalone expansion. The only actual expansion that I'm not madly in love with is Bloodlines. I I kinda agree with you, Adam. I think that those Sardikar commanders just added a little bit too much new rules overhead in a way that I didn't find particularly fun.

《血脉》里也有新领袖角色，这部分我倒挺喜欢。我喜欢有丰富的领袖选择，但那些索多卡指挥官完全可以不要。所以我认为唯一可能出错的玩法就是只玩基础版，或者使用索多卡指挥官。除此之外，玩这款精彩的《沙丘：帝国崛起》游戏时，你绝不会输。

I think there was also new leaders in bloodlines, which I did like. I like having lots of, you know, lots of options in terms of a leader, but the Sardikar commanders, I could definitely live without. So I guess I'll say the only ways you can go wrong is playing base game all by itself or playing with the Sardikar commanders. Other than that, there is no losing when you're playing this amazing game, Dune Imperium Uprising.

是的。虽然我不愿承认，但我同意你们的看法。在与萨迪卡指挥官们玩过几次后，我发现这是唯一让我不太喜欢的血脉传承部分，因为我确实很喜欢新增的科技元素。当然，这也可能是《起义》在多次游玩后会让人感到疲倦的原因——你知道的，可操作的角色数量有限。所以游戏中的多样性就显得尤为重要。

Yeah. I hate to say it, but I agree with you guys. After a few plays with the Sardikar commanders, I that's the only piece of bloodlines that I don't love because I do really like the new tech that gets added. And then, of course, that's probably where Uprising would get tired after a lot of plays is that, you you know, you just don't have as many characters to play with. And so then it's fun to have the variety in it.

不过无所谓了。《沙丘：帝国》是个很棒的游戏，我们应该每次聚会都玩。我觉得我们会继续保持这个传统。好了，这是我们今天讨论的少数几个之前没怎么聊过的游戏之一，虽然我提到过几次。

But whatever. Dune Imperium is a great game and we should play it anytime we get together. I think we'll keep doing that. All right. This is one of the few games that we that we're talking about today that we haven't talked about a lot, although I've mentioned it a couple times.

这是我最喜欢的游戏之一，今年进入了我的前40名榜单。这款游戏叫做《从酋长到国王的斯凯岛》。我们周六晚上玩了一局，结果周日早上这些家伙又兴致勃勃地开了一局，连续玩了两场。

This is one of my favorite games. It was on my top 40 list this year. This is called Isle of Sky from Chieftain to King. We played a game of it on Saturday night, and then these guys were game to bust it out again on Sunday morning. Two games back to back.

我超爱《从酋长到国王的斯凯岛》。等不及要听你们对它的看法了。它给你们留下深刻印象了吗？还是说我们分开几周后你们就完全忘记这个游戏了？

I love Sky from chief chief and the king. I can't wait to hear what you guys think of this one. Did it did it stick with you, or have you completely forgotten about it by the time we stepped away for a few weeks?

不，蒂姆。我真的很喜欢《从酋长到国王的斯凯岛》。我们周六深夜尝试玩的时候，克里斯喝了几杯古典鸡尾酒，那晚他变得特别爱抬杠。所以在规则讲解时他一直在刁难蒂姆，我当时就说：'行了克里斯'

No, Tim. I really enjoyed I love Sky from chief and the king. We tried it on, late Saturday night, but Chris had had a few old fashions, and he went full antagonistic that night. So he was giving Tim a bunch of heat during the rules explanation. I was like, come on, Chris.

'咱们认真点好吗？试着好好玩这个游戏。'但克里斯根本不配合。所以周六晚上的对局只能说勉强进行，不过周日早上我们重新开了一局，这次大家更投入了。这个游戏设计真的很精巧。

Let's get it together here. Let's try to play this game. But, nope, Chris wasn't having it. So we you know, the Saturday night play was okay, but we went back and played it Sunday morning, and we got a little more into it. This game was really neat.

它有个小小的——我不想解释因为肯定会说得乱七八糟——但那个小型拍卖机制和经济系统很棒。你需要对某些资源出价，或者给自己的板块定价。你要把价格定得恰到好处，比如保护某个板块的同时，又想让别人为另一个板块超额支付。这样你就能获得资金，他们支付后，你可以把钱用在其他地方。

So it has this little I don't wanna explain it because I'm I'm gonna fumble through all the words, but the the little auction, the little economy of it is nice. You you kinda bid on some of this stuff or you you price your own tiles. You try to price them just right, you know, to protect maybe one of them, and then you want people to sorta overpay for another one. So you get the money if they overpay for it, they pay for it. And then you can put that towards something else.

然后轮到出牌顺序很重要。你们的出牌顺序是围着桌子轮转的，所以出牌顺序是个大问题。如果你是第一个出牌，我觉得你有点不利，因为你得留一些钱来买别人的东西。但如果你是第二个或第三个出牌，可能在你买之前就有人买了你的板块，这样你手里就有更多的现金。所以我喜欢利用这一点来为自己谋利。

And then turn order matters. Your turn order rotates around the table, so turn order is a big deal. If you're going first, I think you're at a little bit of a disadvantage because you have to hold back some of your money to be able to buy the other guy's stuff. But if you're going second or third, maybe somebody buys your tiles before it's your turn to purchase so you have a little extra cash in hand. So I liked kinda using that to try to use that to my advantage.

我觉得我们玩这个游戏的时候我两次都输了。如果你连周六晚上都算不上的话，克里斯简直是到处乱跑。但是，是的，非常有趣。这个游戏确实让我印象深刻，蒂姆。谢谢你给我们介绍这个游戏。

I think I lost both times we played this one. If you can't even count Saturday night, Chris was just all over the place. But, yeah, a lot of fun. This one did stick with me, Tim. Thanks for showing it to us.

《天空岛》。

Isle Of Skye.

好吧，我本来想承认在那件事上我真的很糟糕，但亚当某种程度上替我做了。所以不。不。我是认真的。我是说，就像，每一个这些缺点，至少有一个游戏让我对规则讲解感到不爽，通常是在深夜或者什么情况下。

Well, I was gonna cop to being a a real poop on that one, but Adam kinda did it for me. So no. No. I for real. I mean, that is like, there's got every every every one of these cons, there's gotta be at least one game where I just get an attitude about the the rules teach, and it's usually late at night or something.

而且，当一个游戏能帮助你认识到自己的短处时，这是很好的。所以谢谢你，《天空岛：从酋长到国王》。不。第一次我有点像个混蛋，第二次游戏，我实际上看到了这个游戏的美妙之处。这是一个聪明的小游戏。

And, it it's it's good when a game can help you recognize your own short comments. So thank you for that, Isle Of Skye colon from Chiefs into King. No. The first time I was being kind of a jerk, the second game, I actually I saw the beauty of this. This is a clever little game.

游戏进行得很快，但你需要做一些非常酷的决定。你有这些板块，上面有不同的部分，不同的东西可能会得分，比如船、牛靠近农场之类的。你还有那个轨道，可以看到每一轮什么会得分，所以你必须确保在正确的时间得到正确的东西。而且在这个意义上它非常简单，但却非常吸引人。我特别喜欢这个游戏，因为它是一个非常低投入的游戏。

It flies by, but it's got some real cool decisions to make. You you have these tiles that you're laying out that all have different pieces on them, different things that might score such as boats or cows near a farm or something like that. And you have that track where you're gonna see for each round what's gonna score, and so you have to make sure you're getting the right things at the right time. And and it's it's so simple in that sense, but it was so engaging. And I really did enjoy this one in particular because it was a very low investment game.

你不需要太多的规则负担。你不需要花很多时间玩它。它只是一个有趣的谜题，我真的非常喜欢它，尽管前一天晚上我对它有点态度。

You did not have to a lot of rules overhead. You didn't have to spend a lot of time playing it. It was just a fun, puzzle, and I really did enjoy it, notwithstanding my attitude about it the night before.

嗯，很高兴你们玩得开心。希望以后还能多玩几次。这游戏上手很容易，就像我们上期节目聊的，我们尽量在展会期间每晚玩些轻松的游戏，我觉得效果很好，即使有时不尽如人意也很有趣。克里斯，你知道吗，那晚我教游戏时你的反应——我之前提过我妻子丹妮尔讨厌学新游戏。

Well, I'm glad you guys had fun with it. Hope hope we get to play it some more in the future. It comes out so easy. It's it's a great like, we we talked about on the last episode that we try to kinda do lighter games every night on this con, and I think it worked really well even when it didn't work well. But it's funny, Chris, you know, the way you were acting that night when I was trying to teach the game, I have mentioned before that Danielle, my wife hates learning new games.

基本上每次我教新游戏她都是这种态度，我已经习惯了。

Well, that's pretty much her attitude every single time I try to teach a new game. I'm very used to it.

哦，那就好。我只是不想让你觉得痛苦，既然你已经习惯了，那就没问题。

Oh, good. Good. Well, I just, I I don't wanna bring the pain. If if you're already used to the pain, that's okay.

克里斯，这话我记下了。下次要是我们在芝加哥，塞斯·冈萨雷斯来教游戏时，我一定先让你喝几杯古典鸡尾酒再开始教学。

Well, I'm gonna use that, Chris. Next time, if we're ever in Chicago and Seth Gonzales shows up to teach us a game, I'm gonna make sure you have a couple old fashioned first before he starts teaching us anything.

塞斯，提前警告你。亚当真的要兑现他在Discord上的威胁了

Be be forewarned, Seth. Oh, Seth, I Adam's gonna carry through on his on his his Discord threat

来找你算账了。

coming after you.

下山赶飞机前我们还来得及玩最后一局游戏。选了《血怒》——自从长滩展会之后我们好像就没一起玩过。不过这次很棒，我们还用了之前几乎没玩过的扩展包，这期可以算扩展包专题了。

So we had one we had time for one final game before we had to head down the mountain and get to the airport. And the game we picked was a game we have not played together, I think since Long Beach, maybe. But anyway, always great. We played Blood Rage. And we, this must be the expansion episode because we did play with an expansion that we barely played with before I have.

那个叫什么来着？阿斯加德众神扩展包，对吧。阿斯加德众神。哇，我该怎么说呢？

And that, what's it called? The Gods of Asgard expansion, believe. Gods of Asgard. Wow. What can I say?

今年它在我Top40榜单上排第15位。它有什么问题吗？我只是需要重新把它摆上桌面。游戏体验太棒了，超级有趣。现在可能又回到我的前五名了。

This year, this was sitting at like 15 on my top 40 list. What was wrong with it? I just needed to get it back on the table again. It was such a great play, so much fun. Probably back in my top five at this point.

我得再多玩几次。上次玩得超开心。阿斯加德众神扩展包我记得之前和克里斯玩过一次，大概是七年前的事了。后来在长滩我们又试过，但大家总忘记规则——这个扩展包的机制是开局时会在两个随机区域放置两位神明。

I I need to get this played more. I had a blast with this. The the gods of Asgard expansion is one that I played once before with Chris, I think, like years ago, like seven years ago. And then we tried it in Long Beach, but everyone kept forgetting the rules. Because the rule is the way the Gods of Asgard expansion works, if you haven't played this, but you played regular Blood Rage, is that there are two random Gods that are placed in territories at the start of the game.

每位神明都有影响所在区域的特殊能力。比如这次有位神明的能力是「该区域单位不会死亡」，所以虽然能分出战斗胜负，但所有部队都会存活。另一个神明的能力我记不太清了，总之会轻微改变区域规则。当有人在某区域赢得战斗后，可以选择将该区域神明迁移到其他位置。

And the Gods each have a different power that somehow interacts with the territory. Like one of the gods that was in this one, if you nobody could die in that territory. So somebody could still win a conflict, but all the troops would stay alive in it. I figured what the other one was, but in any case, it slightly changes the rules for a territory. But once somebody wins the combat in a territory, then they get to choose where the god moves to in another to another space.

上次玩的时候我们总忘记移动神明位置，搞得体验很笨拙。但这次感觉很棒——它让策略变化更丰富但又不至于太复杂。我玩得比记忆中更尽兴，等Kickstarter新版重印后，我很乐意再买来玩。

So I remember the last time we tried playing this, we kept forgetting to move the gods. So it just felt like, oh man, clunky, you know, thought this was great this time. It made the puzzle a little bit more different, but not drastically. So I I kind of had fun playing with it more than I had remembered. So I would be happy to go back and try this expansion again when, that new Kickstarter version has these back in print and I can pick them up at retail.

我会持续关注这个扩展包，可能会入手。这次玩得太痛快了！克里斯试图走低调路线，结果彻底翻车。

I'll probably be keeping an eye out for this and might pick this little expansion up. But great play, I had a blast with it. Chris tried to go all low key, honest this time, it did not work.

蒂姆，这次又是鏖战到最后啊。有几场关键战役，特别是中间那场最史诗——你当时有个角色...

This one came down right to the end again, Tim. There was some very pivotal battles. I think the one battle in the middle was the most epic. You had you had a character

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

这让你在英灵殿里的每个角色都获得了更多力量。对，没错。让我倒回一下——首先，这游戏的抽卡环节堪称史诗，因为你知道自己有哪些角色，然后根据抽到的卡牌来构建策略，嗯哼。

That gave you more strength for everybody that you had in Valhalla. Yeah. Right. So I think you played so let me rewind a second. First of all, the draft is epic in this one because you know what characters you have, and you try to build on the cards you draft to exploit Mhmm.

利用这些角色的能力，或是你在本轮会获得的那些巨型模型。蒂姆当时就在这么做，他计划着要清空所有小兵，只留下主力兽人，准备在最终战中对阵亚当和我时重新积攒力量。而我当时甚至没意识到那个角色能获得额外力量。

The powers of those characters or the the crazy big old miniatures you're gonna get during the round. So Tim was doing that. He's like, I'm gonna get this all planned out. I'm gonna wipe out all my figures except for my main beast man, and he's gonna have all this strength again against Adam, against me in one of these final battles. And I was like, I don't even think I realized that that guy gains more strength.

纯粹是运气好——在所有角色被消灭后，我恰好剩下一张强力战斗卡，最终以一两分的微弱优势险胜。如此简单的规则下能做出这些精彩决策。正如我说的，所有策略都体现在抽卡环节。这游戏太棒了，玩得超级尽兴。

I just got lucky that I had a big battle card left over after all those guys got wiped, and I was able to pull off of that pivotal combat by one or two combat points or something like that and snuck out a little victory. Just great decisions for a very simple rule set. Really, all the strategy comes in, like I said, on this draft. Just an amazing game. So much fun playing this one.

很高兴我们能重开《血怒》再战一局。

I'm glad we got it out and played Blood Rage again.

在克里斯插话前，我还想提一个印象深刻的情节——游戏第一纪元时，亚当多次使用那张战败后能偷取对方怒气的战斗卡。

Before Chris jumps in, I I one other moment that stood out to me was that the first round of the game, the first era, Adam several times played that combat card where when you lose, then you steal a rage from the other person.

超爱那张卡。

Love that one.

我记得他在第一纪元对我用了两次，第二纪元用了一次。但我在第二纪元抽到了一张牌，效果是让所有人在出牌前弃掉手牌。所以当他第三次对我使用时，我心想受够了。于是进入战斗时，我故意打出了那张强制弃牌的卡。结果却被他摆了一道。

And I think he played it twice in the first era and once in the second era on me. But I had drafted in the second era, I drafted a card that said, you make everybody discard their cards before they play it. So after he did it to me the third time, I was like, enough of this. So we go into a combat and I intentionally laid down the card that makes you everybody discard their cards. And he tricked me.

他就像会读心术似的，打出了一张没什么用的战斗牌，白白浪费了我那张会被弃掉的卡。后来这轮游戏中他又从我这里抢走了更多怒气值。你能成功施展这种操作真是太绝了

He like read my mind and played a stupid card that like a combat card that didn't have much impact and wasted my card that that disappeared it. And then he ended up pulling more rage away from me later in the in the round. So, amazing that you managed to pull

啊，亚当。确实。玩血怒时读心术绝对是个巨大优势。我们当时启用了阿斯加德诸神扩展，我只想说——在我看来这完全是个可有可无的扩展包。

that off, Adam. Yeah. No doubt mind reading helps a lot when you're playing Blood Rage. No doubt about that. We played with the gods of Asgard, and all I'm gonna say about that is I it is a completely optional and unnecessary expansion in my opinion.

我不太喜欢这个扩展。如果有人强烈要求玩这个模式我也不会拒绝，但我觉得它并没有增添多少乐趣，只是增加了些复杂度却没有相应回报。我认为它并没有让游戏策略变得更有趣。

I didn't love it. I mean, I I wouldn't reject it if somebody said, oh, I really wanna play with that, but I don't think it really added much fun to the game. It just added a little bit of complexity without a lot of upside. I didn't think. I didn't think it changed the puzzle to be more interesting.

我真正欣赏的是部分扩展生物的内容（虽然不特指诸神扩展），这些新增怪物确实为游戏增色不少。对比基础版怪物和扩展版怪物，我发现扩展怪物更奇特——它们带来的优势需要较高游戏水平才能发挥。记得初次接触时，我完全不明白某些怪物的用处，但随着游戏经验积累，才逐渐领悟到它们的妙用场景。

What I do like about some of the expansion content was and this is not specifically the gods of Asgard, but I have a bunch of the expansion creatures, which I think really do add a lot to the game. So one of the things that I noticed in, you know, between the original bunch of monsters that are in this game and the new ones, the expansion ones, is that the expansion ones tend to be more oddball. They they create benefits that you're not gonna get if you're not really good at the game. Like, the first time I remember several of them the first time that I played with them, I was kinda like, why would that ever be useful? And then the more I played Blood Rage, the more I've realized, oh, that's the situation where that would be useful.

基础版的怪物效果很直白，比如高攻击力或具备战船功能，还有能入侵世界树的怪物——这些优势一目了然。但扩展包里有诸如此类的设计：诸神黄昏会发生在该怪物所在位置而非常规位置；或是狼人效果——只有怪物能参与该区域战斗。

So whereas in the base game, monsters had benefits like, well, it's worth a lot of attack points and it acts like a boat. A monster that can invade into Yggdrasil. I mean, those are pretty obvious what the benefits are of those. But then in the new expansion content, there are things like Ragnarok will occur where this monster is sitting instead of where it would normally be sitting. Or the wolf man where only monsters count in those battles.

虽然狼人效果比较易懂，但构思很精妙。还有蒂姆用的那种怪物——其强度取决于你英灵殿中的角色数量。这些设计真正激励玩家尝试新策略来发挥怪物特性，这是基础版怪物无法提供的游戏体验。

Now that one's pretty obvious, but I think it's an interesting idea. And then there was the one that Tim had where your monster is worth however many characters you have in Valhalla. And then but just so many different things that I think it really creates a lot of a lot of incentive to try new strategies to incorporate the benefits of those monsters, which you wouldn't necessarily do with just the base monsters.

是的，我同意。我喜欢玩那些游戏就是为了体验其中的多样性。关于《血怒》，我最怀念的就是每次游戏时几乎能用到所有卡牌。虽然有几张会在选牌阶段被遗漏，根据玩家数量，确实会有几张牌被加入路线，但如果能看到更多变化，那肯定会更酷。

Yeah. I agree. I like playing with those just to see the variety in there. And it it probably the biggest thing I miss about Blood Rage is that you play with most of the cards every time you play. There's a few that get left out of a draft and depending on player count, they do there's a few cards that you add in route, but it would've it would've been cool if there was a way to just see more variety.

现在，你们几个还好吧？我们差不多快结束了，而且时间还早。所以我想花几分钟发个小牢骚。如果你们不介意的话，可能不止一个，而且碰巧都和《血怒》有关。我想听听你们的想法。

Now, did you guys okay. So we're we're pretty we're almost wrapped up here and we're we're running pretty early. So I wanna take a few minutes for a little rant. A couple of rants, if you guys don't mind, and they happen to be related to Blood Rage. But I wanna get your thoughts.

你们有谁看过那个《血怒：瓦尔哈拉》的Kickstarter众筹活动吗？如果看过，有什么想法？它让你感到兴奋吗？你感兴趣吗？还是觉得它很有吸引力？

Did did either of you guys look at that Blood Rage Valhalla Kickstarter campaign? And if so, any thoughts on it? Was it something that got you excited? Were you interested at all? Was it was it intriguing?

我粗略看了一下，但没有深入。对于一个我已经了解并喜欢的游戏来说，它可能太相似了，内容也太多。所以我没有理由继续关注。我记得它好像叫什么《瓦尔哈拉》之类的。

I glanced at it, but, no, it was too too much stuff for a game that I already know, you maybe too similar for a game that I already know and enjoy. So no reason for me to go on. I think it's called something something Valhalla, something something

就叫《血怒：瓦尔哈拉》，我想。

Just Blood Blood Rage Valhalla, I think.

《血怒：瓦尔哈拉》。是的，我只是粗略看了一下，想看看埃里克·莱恩在做什么。我希望有一天能玩到它，但我没有兴趣支持它。

Blood Rage Valhalla. So, yeah, I glanced at it just to check it out and see what Eric Lane was up to. And I hope to get to play it someday, but I wasn't interested in backing it.

是的，我也是这样。我粗略看了一下，真的没搞懂。我知道新版本设定在瓦尔哈拉，基本上是一个大型的……

Yeah, I did the same. I glanced at this and I really didn't get it. So I understand that the new version is set in Valhalla where it's basically a big

像个小餐厅。对。客厅之类的。

Like a little dining hall. Yeah. Living room or something.

市政厅或

Guildhall or

类似的东西。是啊。肉食大厅。没错。我看了看它，心想，这对我完全没有视觉冲击力。

something like that. Yeah. Meat hall. Right. And I just I looked at it, I'm like, this doesn't have any visual impact on me at all.

它看起来就像一堆方块，大概是房间吧。我没仔细看，所以可能漏掉了一些更有冲击力的东西。我看了看第一个屏幕，心想，哦，真的吗？我觉得我对现有的《血怒》挺满意的，但也许我漏掉了什么，我不确定。

It just looked like a big bunch of a bunch of squares, like rooms, I guess. And I didn't look at it that closely, so maybe I'm missing something there that is more impactful. I kinda looked at that that first screen, and I'm like, oh, really? I think I'm I'm happy with the blood rage that I've got, but maybe I missed something, I don't know.

是啊，我猜这更像是《沙丘：帝国》与《沙丘：帝国崛起》之间的关系，也就是说，我认为这有点像部分第二版，稍微修订过的版本，但最让我感兴趣的是卡牌可能会有一些变化，下次玩的时候，组合起来感觉会不一样。我觉得《血怒》会从中受益。所以我其实对这个很感兴趣。这是我吐槽的第一部分。这可能是我见过的最糟糕的Kickstarter众筹页面了。

Yeah, I suspect that this is more like a Dune Imperium uprising to Dune Imperium situation than anything else, which means I think it's kind of like a partly a V two, so like a kind of a slightly revised version, but also the thing that gets me the most interesting is that there might be some variety in the cards so that the next time you play with this, it just feels like a different like combos that you're putting together. And I think Blood Rage would benefit from that. So I was actually really interested in this. So here's the first part of my rant. This was probably the worst Kickstarter campaign page I've ever seen.

这是一个成熟的IP。他们知道这有可能卖出数百万美元的游戏，但页面几乎是一片空白。现在的游戏已经不这么做了。你不会看到Kickstarter上的游戏，尤其是知名设计师和发行商的游戏，他们会说，哦，我们还在完善内容，请帮我们完成这个游戏。但这个页面几乎没有展示任何内容。

And this is a well established IP. They knew this had the potential to sell millions of dollars worth of games and they left it almost blank. And games just don't do that anymore. Like you don't see Kickstarter games, especially by established designers and publishers where they're like, oh yeah, we're still working on the content, please help us make this game. But there was like almost no content displayed.

你根本看不到里面会有哪些新卡牌。你也看不到大部分的新怪物。Kickstarter视频不是什么大制作的预告片，就像你预期的那样。那是一个制作粗糙的五分钟桌游模拟器视频，Eric Ling用原型组件演示了几个回合。这是制作最差、信息量最少的众筹页面之一，因为我完全看不出这个游戏玩起来会有什么不同。

Like you didn't get to see what are the new cards that are gonna be in there. You didn't really get to see most of the new monsters. The Kickstarter video was not some big like trailer, which is what you would expect. It was like a poorly made five minute tabletop simulator of Eric Ling walking through a few turns with prototype components. This is one of the most poorly produced campaign pages and the least informative because I didn't really get to see how different it was gonna feel as a game.

所以他们基本上就是说，嘿，你是《血怒》的粉丝。不管我们怎么处理这款游戏，你都会买的。但我觉得这挺恶心的。他们真的应该提供更多信息，让我有购买欲望。结果他们搞砸了，反而让我不想买。

So they basically said, hey, you're a Blood Rage fan. You're gonna buy this regardless of what what we do with it. But it was pretty gross to me. Like, they really should have given us more information and made me want to buy this game. So they didn't sell me a game because they screwed it up.

真让人失望。不过我想说说这里面的商业内幕——你们可能不知道，桌游大亨（现在可能叫Tycoon Games了）从正面临财务困境的CMON手里买下了《血怒》的IP，据说CMON今年亏损了约500万美元，正在抛售旗下IP。桌游大亨可能花了大价钱收购，然后就急着回本。

That's a disappointment. I think what happened here though, and I'm just gonna talk a little bit about the business side. So I don't know if you guys know this, but Tabletop Tycoon or maybe it's called Tycoon Games now, they purchased the IP of Bloodrage from, come on, who has been dealing with financial difficulties, lost something like $5,000,000 this year financially. So they're selling off their IPs. Tabletop Tycoon probably played a crap load for it and said, we gotta pay for this.

他们甚至没完成开发，就直接找埃里克·兰说：赶紧把这游戏上架，好给我们刚买的IP回血。太让人失望了！你们明明可以花六个月、哪怕三个月好好开发，做出让人真正兴奋的作品。

So they didn't even finish the development of it. They just said, Eric Lane, come in. Let's throw this game up there so we can make some money to pay for the IP we just purchased. What a letdown. You guys could have spent six months, three months developing this and creating something that actually got people excited.

总之就是失望透顶。拜托别再这么干了。我确定你们赚了几百万，但要是好好运营这个众筹，本可以赚得更多。现在说第二件让我火大的事——去看看《英灵殿》目前在BGG的评分吧。

So that was just a disappointment. Please don't ever do that again. I'm sure you made millions of dollars. I bet you could have made millions of more if you'd actually done this campaign well. Here's my second rant guys, go look at the BGG rating on Valhalla right now.

现在只有3.3分。BGG用户有时候真像巨婴——这些打分的根本没人玩过游戏！大多数人打1分只是因为众筹活动要求捐1美元解锁跳水经理职位，或者获取什么愚蠢的奖励内容。就像那种营销噱头...他们怎么说来着？

It is sitting at a 3.3. Board Game Geek users can sometimes be little babies. And none of these players have ever played this game. And most of them gave a one rating because the campaign asked you to contribute a dollar to get to the plunge manager or to get some special like bonus content or something stupid like that. Like some marketing campaign gimmick that people like through their, what was the term?

「把奶嘴从婴儿车里扔出来」还是什么乱七八糟的。总之BGG用户在这件事上表现得像群熊孩子。太恶劣了！不管众筹多糟糕，这游戏绝不可能是3.3分的水平。

Through pacifier out of the crib or whatever, the tram or whatever. But anyway, basically, like board game geek users are being little babies on this. You guys are awful. I don't care how bad the campaign was. This game, there's no way that this game is a 3.3.

这绝对会是款出色的游戏。我不在乎他们营销多失败。Tycoon Games，你们搞砸了众筹；BGG用户们，我受够这种闹剧了——埃里克·兰依然是个优秀的设计师。

This is gonna be a fantastic game. I don't care whether they didn't sell to us well. But Tycoon Games, you screwed up the campaign. Board Game Geek users, I'm so sick of this nonsense. Like Eric Lange is still a good designer.

这依然会是一款好游戏。所以这真的很蠢，纯粹是愚蠢，我不明白为何它让我如此愤怒，但3.3分？这款游戏绝不可能配得上或证明这个评分。这让我很沮丧。所以从双方都听到了一些意见。

This is still gonna be a good game. So it's just dumb. It's just dumb and I don't know why it makes me so mad, but a 3.3, there's no way that this game will ever qualify or justify a 3.3 rating on it. That that frustrates me. So got got a little bit from both sides there.

精彩的咆哮，蒂姆。连续几段精彩吐槽。我认为泰坤游戏对他们取得的成绩还算满意——他们获得了4600多名支持者，外加一些额外支持，众筹金额达120万美元。是的，或许本可以更多，但这已经相当可观了。

Great rant, Tim. Great couple rants there. The I think Tycoon Games is okay with how they did. They got 4,600 backers plus a little bit extra and $1,200,000 on the campaign. So yeah, maybe they could have gotten more, but that's pretty substantial.

正如你所说，本可以做得更好，但看起来他们依然赚得盆满钵满。

So could have been better, like you said, but they still are laughing all the way to the bank, looks like.

是啊。但要知道，他们还卖光了《血怒》三部曲的每个版本，包括所有旧版众筹内容等等。我打赌这次大部分买家都是冲着那些早已绝版的旧众筹内容来的。我敢说这次宣传活动很糟糕，他们本可以做得更好。这本该是场让玩家期待十年、为之热血沸腾的里程碑式活动。

Yeah. But you know, they also sold like every single every single version of the Blood Rage trilogy, as well as all the old Kickstarter content and everything. I bet most of the buyers on this were buying like the old Kickstarter content that you couldn't even get. I bet they did not have any I'm telling you the campaign was bad, they could have done better with this. This should have been like a decades long waiting campaign event that people were excited about that this like psyched people up for.

整个处理方式太令人失望了。我...我为节目的朋友埃里克·朗感到难过——开玩笑的，虽然我和他握过手，但他根本不认识我们。但确实为埃里克感到遗憾，他是位伟大的设计师，而我认为这次是他设计生涯中的一次失误。

It's it's such a disappointment how it was handled. I I I feel bad for a friend of the show, Eric Lang. Just kidding. I did shake his hand once, but it doesn't even know we were. But I do feel bad for Eric Lang because he is a great designer, and I think this is a a letdown on one of his designs.

那么蒂姆，听完你的话后我很好奇，就去BGG查看了实际评分和玩家评语。确实，目前评分3.3，有大量1分评价。几乎所有人都提到两点：一是讨厌这次宣传方式（当然这与游戏本身无关）——就像你说的，这对游戏不公平；二是对设计选择的不满，这点我提到过类似房间机制的争议。后者我觉得还算合理，但我坚持认为玩家应该实际体验过游戏再评分。毕竟光看图片根本无法判断游戏的实际桌游表现。这点我完全同意你的看法，蒂姆。

So, Tim, after what you just said, I was curious. So I went and looked at the actual ratings and the write ups that people gave to support their ratings on BGG. And and, yes, indeed, it is rated at 3.3, and there are lots of one ratings. And almost universally, they're saying two things. One is, I don't like the way they did this campaign, which of course has nothing to do with the game itself.

正如你所说，这与宣传活动有关，所以确实不公平。另一点是对设计决策的不满，这类似于我之前提到的房间机制问题。在这方面，我能理解部分合理性，但我仍然认为任何人在实际玩到游戏前都不应该评分。我的意思是，虽然网站上有图片，但这并不代表你能真正了解这款游戏的桌面呈现效果。所以在这个问题上，蒂姆，我站在你这边。

It has to do with, like you were saying, the campaign so that that's unfair. The other one is dislike of the design choices that were made, which is kind of the point that I was making about like the rooms. And so in that one, I think I can see a little bit more as being legitimate, but still, I I really don't think anybody ought to be rating a game until they have an opportunity to actually play that game to actually see it. I mean, we're there are pictures on there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you can actually tell what the table presence for this game is gonna look like. So I'm I'm with you on that one, Tim.

有趣的是，他们那里有一张游戏板的图片，上面写着‘括号，进行中’。而最新这张实际上像是一座浮空岛的地图，看起来更像是一块陆地而非食堂。所以他们可能在这里采纳了一些反馈意见。

Interestingly, they have a picture of the game board up there, and it says parentheses, work in progress. And this newest one is actually, like, a a map of a floating island, and there's it looks more like a, you know, a landmass rather than a a chow hall. So that's maybe they're accepting some feedback here.

是啊，我打赌他们确实这么做了。说来好笑，当我第一次看到那块板子时，和其他人一样觉得——哦，那看起来像线索板之类的对吧？不过我确实看了些埃里克·兰格发布的试玩视频。里面有张公会大厅的艺术图，当他讲述故事时，他们开始使用不同的术语。

Yeah, I bet they did. Funny enough, so I was, you know, when I first looked at that board, just like everybody else, oh, that looks like a clue board or something, right? But I did get to watch a little bit of that playthrough that Eric Lange had posted. And the one thing that was in there was that artwork of the Guildhall. And as he's telling the story, like they start to use different terminology.

你不是去征服，而是去参加——晚餐后他们叫什么来着？像是挑战。于是你进入一个房间，与瓦尔哈拉的其他成员共处。当他用那些术语讲述故事时，效果其实非常自然。我认为整个瓦尔哈拉的神话故事设定就是：这些为荣耀而战死后的人，终日宴饮，夜间比武，次日再宴，周而复始。

You're not going to a conquest, you're going to a, after dinner you go to, what do they call it? Like a challenge. And so you go into a room and you have a with these other people that are in Valhalla. And when he's telling the story of it using the terminology that they used, it actually worked perfectly fine. And I think the whole like mythological story of Valhalla, Is that these these people who have fought for glory and then died, they go and they get the feast all day and then they have con contests like battles at night, and then they feast all day the next day, and then they have a a battle at night or something like that.

所以这个设定在语境中是合理的。但话说回来，我觉得众筹宣传做得太差了——明明可以多展示些神话元素和这些图片。有太多可以改进的地方了。不过现在玩家发声后他们会提供不同选项。说实话等零售版上市时我会非常兴奋，肯定会买来试试，看它是否能像《沙丘：帝国崛起》之于原版《沙丘》那样取代我心中的原版《血怒》。

And so it kinda tells that story and it makes sense in the con the context. But again, I think the campaign did such a poor job of like, that you could have given some of that mythology and and like, well presenting these pictures, you know, and and so many ways this could have been done better, but, yeah, anyway, it's cool. You know, people spoke and they are gonna offer a different option there. I will tell you that I'm very excited when this comes to retail, I will absolutely pick this up and give it a shot and see if it feels like the the Dune Imperium uprising to my Dune to my Dune Imperium. Because if it does, it will probably replace the original Blood Rage for me, but we'll see how it goes.

我无从得知，因为宣传根本没说明改动内容。

I wouldn't know because the campaign doesn't tell me what's different. Well,

吐槽暂且放一边，回到营地讨论——你们有什么印象深刻或想重玩的游戏吗？营地大会上哪些亮眼哪些平庸？

rants aside, going back to the the Camp discussion, do you guys have any any duds, any highlights that stood out, anything you would want to revisit? What stood out and what didn't from the Camp Con?

虽然过去几周了，但我记得有些游戏确实有高光时刻，特别是我们玩过的区域控制类——《仙境战争》《血怒》让我印象深刻。出乎意料的是，《太阳探索》作为我真正享受过的游戏也很难忘。

You know, it's been a few weeks since we did this, but what I remember is that the there were some games that had really high points, some high moments in them, and they were a to a tee, they were the were the troops on a map or or area control that we played. It was Wonderlands War. It was Blood Rage. Those were the ones that really stood out to me. Surprisingly, Solar Quest is very memorable for me as a game that I've actually enjoyed.

所以我期待下周能多聊聊这个话题。不是说这是个好游戏，但就体验而言它确实很突出。是的。然后我觉得唯一称得上败笔的——上周我提到过有点失望——是《Scoville》。感觉有点拖沓，玩得没我期待的那么开心。

So I'll look forward to talking about that a little bit more next week. Not saying it's a good game, but I'm saying that it was, it's a standout as far as the experience goes. Yeah. And then I think the only one I'd call a dud necessarily, which was a little bit of a disappointment I mentioned last week was was Scoville. Just felt like it dragged a bit and, just didn't have as much fun with it as I was hoping to.

但除此之外，这个周末很酷，我们几乎全在玩最爱。各位听众，这周你们不会听到太多新游戏，因为我们主要重温了心头好。这说明我们真不需要买那么多桌游。探索新品很棒，但有很多经典游戏我愿意反复和你们玩，每次都超开心。总之，这个周末对我来说太棒了。

But otherwise, it was just kind of a cool weekend and that we almost completely played favorites. Like, we we played a as you guys everyone that's listening, you're not hearing about a lot of new stuff this week because we just played a lot of our favorites. And it just goes to show that we really don't need to be buying a lot of board games. You know, it's great to explore new stuff, but there's so many great games that I would just go back and play all the time with you guys and have a great time. So, yeah, awesome awesome weekend for me.

那你呢，亚当？

But you, Adam?

我先说败笔。《Roth》可惜了，美术很棒但毫无刺激感。回合制骰子轮抽本该更有趣，但实际这些行动都很乏味。

For me, I'll start with some of the duds. Roth, unfortunately, beautiful production. There's just no excitement there. The turns, you know, the the dice drafting, it could be a lot more fun. I feel like it should be exciting and none of these actions are that fun.

移动几个部队或拿颗宝石，有点小失望。还有《Scoville》，如你所说不像期待的那么'火辣'。不过必须同意蒂姆的观点，《仙境战争》再次表现出色，我们三人都很熟悉规则。

Move a couple troops or get a jewel. And so we're off a little bit disappointment there. And then Scoville, like you said, it, you know, wasn't as spicy as I'd hoped it would have been. And then like you said, I have to agree with you, Tim. Wonderland's war was outstanding once again, and all three of us known it so well.

我们能快速流畅地进行游戏，节奏保持得很好。重温《血怒》也超痛快。所以亮点是《血怒》《仙境战争》，低谷是《Roth》和《Scoville》。克里斯你呢？

We were able to whiz through that one nice and quick and speedy that the tempo kept up nice and quick. And then, yeah, Bloodrage is a just a blast going back to Bloodrage. So those were the standouts, Blood Rage, Wonderland's War, Lowlights, Roth, and, Scoville. What about for you, Chris?

我的观点和你们惊人一致。《Roth》和《Scoville》是我的两大低谷。但广义上说，这次没有涌现新宠。没有哪款新游戏让我觉得'哇，这将成为我的新欢'。

I'm gonna be remarkably uniform with what you guys said. Roth and Scoville were the two kind of lowlights for me. But I think more broadly, there were no new favorites that came out this time. There was nothing that we played that I'm like, wow. This is a new game that I'm really, really impressed by, and it's gonna become a new favorite.

是的。更准确地说，我们玩了一堆早就知道喜欢的游戏，并且玩得非常开心。这提醒我们，有时候重温已知喜爱的游戏也挺好。不过，确实有些游戏我们有点淡忘了，比如《仙境战争》。

Yeah. Rather, we played a bunch of games that we already knew we liked and really enjoyed playing them. And it's a good reminder that sometimes it's okay to just play the games that you already know that you like. But also Yeah. We had some games that we'd kind of forgotten about a little bit, like Wonderlands War.

我们最近不怎么提这款游戏了，它渐渐淡出了我们的视线。但重新玩的时候，我们都感叹：哇，这就是当初如此喜欢它的原因。

We don't talk about that one so much anymore. It's kind of fallen off of our own internal radar. But then we played it. We're like, oh, wow. This is why we like that game so much.

《血怒》也是如此——这就是我们深爱它的理由。《怒涛》和其他那些我们多年来常讨论的游戏也一样。每当有新热门游戏出现，我们就会减少玩这些老游戏的频率。但它们最初吸引我们的特质从未改变，所以重拾这些游戏总是令人愉悦。我敢说如果这次玩了《月蚀：第二黎明》，蒂姆肯定也会有同感，尽管他这次不愿尝试。

In Blood Rage, this is why we like that game so much. And Barrage and all these these ones that we've talked about over the years, But then some new hot thing comes out and we just stop playing those quite as much. But there's a really good reason why we like them in the first place. So going back to them is a real treat. So I'm sure that if we had played Eclipse second dawn, Tim would be saying the same thing about that even though he didn't wanna play it this time.

不过，回归旧爱确实是件非常非常有趣的事。

But, but, yeah, going back to old favorites is a really, really fun thing to do.

说得太对了伙计们。感谢你们带我们回顾几周前的Camp Con活动。这次聚会结束后，我们下次聚会预计在早春时节，听起来会在南加州某地举办。在结束今天节目前，我要读一条听众留言。有人在苹果播客给我们留下了好评。

Well, right on, guys. Thanks for that little trip down memory lane from a few weeks ago. Camp Con over, our next Con will be early next spring somewhere down in the Southern California area it sounds like. Well, before we wrap up today, I do have a listener review. Someone left us a nice review on Apple Podcast and I'm gonna read it for you all.

想继续听的可以留下，我们真心感激这些反馈。收到这样的鼓励让我们动力十足，更想持续制作节目。本周，来自美国的Shay Bebe在苹果播客留下五星评价，标题是《新手桌游玩家的福音》：'作为桌游新手，我和丈夫一直难以找到同好。离我们最近的友好桌游店要一小时车程。'

Stick around if you want to, but we do really appreciate it. It's great to get this great to get this feedback, keeps us going, keeps us wanting to keep making the show. This week, Shay Bebe from The US on Apple Podcast left a five star review called Great for New Board Gamers Like Me. As someone new to hobby board gaming, my husband and I have had a tough time finding our people. Our nearest friendly local game store is nearly an hour away.

'两人都打两份工且性格内向的我们，很难鼓起勇气参加线下活动。在等待桌游伙伴奇迹般出现的同时，我们找到了最佳替代方案——蒂姆、亚当和克里斯的这档播客。他们的对话包含我们未曾意识到需要的一切：深思熟虑的评测、妙趣横生的调侃，以及让你感觉身临其境的礼貌辩论。他们恰到好处的互相调侃让氛围轻松愉快，说实话，他们已成为我们荣誉桌游好友。我发现自己和丈夫聊天时总会不自觉提到他们，就像我们真的认识这些人一样。'

And with both of us working two jobs and being introverts, it's hard to make the leap into in person events. So while we wait for our board game crew to magically appear, we found the next best thing, this podcast with Tim, Adam, and Chris. Their conversations are everything we didn't know we needed, thoughtful reviews, hilarious banter, and the kind of respectful disagreements that make you feel like you're part of the discussion. They rib each other just enough to keep things light, and honestly, they become our honorary board game friends. I've caught myself naming dropping them in conversations with my husband like we actually know them.

我们并不认识，但感觉确实如此。我一直想写篇评论很久了，但关于主题驱动机制的那期节目终于让我下定决心。听戴夫·贝克谈论《蒸馏》和他去肯塔基的经历，简直说到了我心坎里。我在肯塔基长大，离酿酒厂很近，家人也在那里工作。那款游戏是我的最爱之一，听到他们如此用心且热情地讨论它，真是种享受。

We don't, but it sure feels like we do. I've been meaning to write a review for a while, but the theme driven mechanisms episode finally pushed me over the edge. Hearing Dave Beck talk about Distilled and his visit to Kentucky hit home literally. I grew up in Kentucky just down the road from distilleries with family who worked in them. That game is one of my favorites and hearing it discussed with such care and enthusiasm was a real treat.

这个播客让我的通勤变得无比愉快，填补了我们游戏生活中的空白。所以谢谢你们，蒂姆、亚当和克里斯，让桌游世界显得更亲切。请继续推出游戏。非常棒的评论，感谢你花时间写下这么多细节，读起来真是令人愉快。

This podcast has made my commutes infinitely more enjoyable and has helped filled a gap in our gaming lives. So thank you, Tim, Adam, and Chris for making the board game world feel a little more welcoming. Keep the games coming. A very nice review. Thank you for taking so much time to write all of that detail, but it was a wonderful re read.

很高兴你通过我们的节目感受到这个爱好的欢迎。太棒了。我喜欢向新人介绍这个爱好，非常高兴你成为其中一员。

And so glad that you feel welcome, to the hobby through our show as well. Love that. Love introducing new people to the hobby. So glad you're part of that.

是啊，听到你们现在也加入这个爱好，我真的很开心。希望你们能抓住机会参加聚会，或者去你们当地的桌游店找个游戏之夜之类的。我完全理解，我是个极度内向的人，但能参加这样的活动，桌上有大家都感兴趣的东西，共享这样的爱好，而不用整晚尬聊，这种感觉多好啊。

Yeah. I'm so happy to hear that you guys are, you know, in the hobby now, and I hope that you'll take the opportunity to go to a meetup or to go to, your FLGS and find to a game night or something like that. And I totally get it. I am a deeply, deeply introverted person, but how nice it is to be able to go to an event like that and have something there at the table, you know, that everybody's into. And, you know, a hobby like that to share where you don't have to sit there and just like make small talk all night.

我个人认为这是个绝佳的机会。希望你们能把握住。如果去了，祝你们好运，玩得开心。

Personally, I think that is a great opportunity. Hope you take advantage of it. And if you do, good luck. Hope you have a lot of fun.

没错。如果你能鼓起勇气参加活动，会发现周围大多数都是内向的人。我觉得自己就是个典型的内向者，克里斯也是。蒂姆可能没那么明显。

Yeah. If you can get yourself out to an event, you'll find that you're surrounded with majority introverts. I think I'm a big introvert myself. Chris is one. Maybe I don't know if Tim is so much.

他不怕走出去组织团体活动。所以，如果能加入这些团体，遇到其他内向的人，你会玩得很开心。希望那里有些怪咖——我可能就是其中之一，但有些怪咖反而是最有趣的玩伴。所以，如果鼓得起勇气，不妨试试看。

He's not afraid to get out there and get get gang groups going. So, yeah, if you can make it to one of these groups and, meet some other introverts, and you'll have a a good time. Hopefully, there'll be some weirdos there. I'll probably be one of the weirdos, but some of the weirdos are the most interesting people to hang out with. So give it a shot if you, if you can muster up the courage.

好的。那么，下周见。大家保重。

Alright. Well, until next week. Take care, everybody.

各位晚安。

Good night, all.

再见。

Bye bye.