老国王的王冠

他们有三支部队。

They've got three troops.

他们不可能赢。

There's no way they can win.

而他们恰好有三张阴谋卡，分别是五把剑、弃一张香料换六把剑，然后迫使对方撤回两支部队。

And then they happen to have three intrigue cards that are like five swords, discard a spice for six swords, and then make the other person retreat two troops.

所以在《沙丘：帝国》中，你也确实可能遇到这种巨大的转折。

And so you definitely can have the big swings like that in Dude Imperium as well.

但再次强调，我完全不同意。

To I again, I totally disagree.

我不想就《沙丘：帝国》中这两者相对如何展开争论，但对我来说，这次的感觉完全不同。

I don't wanna get into a debate about the the relative, you know, with with Dude Imperium, how this compares, but it this felt differently to me.

我想我只能这么说了。

I guess I'll put it that way.

这次的感觉就是不一样。

This just felt different.

我的意思是，我知道如果有人在末日帝国里有三张阴谋卡，他们很可能至少有几张是带剑的。

Like, I know I know that if someone's got three Intrigue cards in Doom Imperium, they probably have at least a couple that have swords.

但这次感觉还有其他事情在发生。

This one felt like there was there was other things going on.

所以我想，这就是我对战斗机制感到沮丧的地方。

So I guess that that was a frustration I had with the way that combat worked.

而且我之前还提出了一个更广泛的观点：我们花了太多时间讨论《沙丘》，结果我完全忘了——不过，总之，我发现某些方面，比如无法掌控自己的命运，在这里某些地方确实让我感到沮丧。

And I and I there's a broader point that I was making that, we spent so much time talking about Dune now I completely forgot But what it yeah, so anyway, I I found some of those aspects, like the inability to control your own fate, I found frustrating in some in some places here.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这款游戏相比《沙丘帝国》更不稳定、更混乱一些，至少这是我第一轮的感觉。

I think a little swingier, a little more chaotic in this game compared to Dune Imperium, at least I mean, this is a first place.

所以也许在后续的对局中，我们会意识到：哦，他手里有这些招数，我得提防着点。

So maybe with subsequent plays, we'd be able to realize, oh, he's got this these kinda tricks up his sleeve, so I need to be aware of that.

不过，总的来说，这就是我对《沙丘帝国》与《老王冠》战斗系统的看法。

But anyway, that's my general thoughts on the Dune Imperium versus Old King's Crown combat system.

我想聊聊这里的手牌管理部分。

I wanna talk about the the bit of hand management here.

这并不是一个纯粹的牌组构建游戏。

So this wasn't this wasn't like a straight deck builder.

它更像是：这是你的牌组。

It it was more of a, here's your deck of cards.

你可以偶尔往手牌里添加几张牌。

You can add a few here and there to your hand.

你会失去一些牌。

You're gonna lose some.

你的一些牌可能会被移除并丢弃。

Some of your cards might get eliminated and then be lost.

你会把很多牌放进弃牌堆，但也许你可以从弃牌堆把那些牌重新拿回手牌。

You're gonna put a lot of cards in your discard pile, but maybe you could bring those cards from your discard pile back into your hand.

在战斗回合中，你有几个行动选项，比如撤退或伏击，这些也能帮助你更好地管理手牌。

You had a couple actions in the combat round, a retreat or an ambush that these would let you manage your hand a little bit as well.

撤退允许你将该区域战斗中所有的卡牌重新拿回手中，尤其是当你即将输掉时，这或许还能带来一些额外的额外好处。

Retreat let you bring any cards that were in that region's combat back into your hand, especially if you're gonna lose, and maybe that would give you some other side benefit too.

或者伏击，你可以从手中面朝下打出一张卡牌，并将其力量值加到该区域的战斗总值中。

Or an ambush, you could play another card from your hand face down and add the total of that strength to that region's combat as well.

但到那时，你会失去这些卡牌——它们被称为活跃卡牌，你需要将它们放入弃牌堆，然后抽牌直到达到手牌上限，游戏开始时每个人的上限都是六张。

So but the end of that, you'd lose those cards, those active cards they call them, you put those in your discard pile, and then you draw up to your hand limit, which was started the game at six for everybody.

每当你完整地循环一次弃牌堆，重新洗牌并抽牌时，你的手牌上限就会减少一张。

And the number of times you cycled through your discard pile, every time you cycled through discard pile, reshuffle drew cards that would decrease your hand size limit by one.

所以，正如蒂姆所说，最后一轮我们只玩了短局。

So the last round of this game, like Tim said, we only played the short game.

我们的手牌上限都降到了五张。

All of our hand size limit went down to five.

我不确定这影响有多大，但在五到六轮的游戏中，你可能需要留意自己手上有多少张牌。

I don't know how consequential it was, but in a five round game, six round game, that's something you might have to be keeping track of is how many cards you're gonna have in your hand.

这会限制你的选择。

It's gonna limit your options.

你手里可能会有一些没用的牌。

You're gonna have some dud cards in there probably.

所以你得想想怎么处理那些不太好的牌，尽量把更强力的牌留在手里。

So you have to figure out what to do with your cards that maybe aren't so good and try to keep those more powerful cards in your hand.

在议会上用掉一些牌。

Use some cards up on that council.

有些好的议会牌上有两个小法官锤子标志，能增加一些力量，但它们的战斗值可能只有零或二。

If effectively, some of the the good council cards that had two of the little judges gavel on them that you do a little more strength up there and maybe they're only worth zero or two combat.

所以你需要决定手里的牌分别放到棋盘上的哪个位置，哪些用于旅程，哪些用于战斗，哪些用于议会。

So a little bit of deciding which cards in your hand are gonna go to which spots on the board, which ones are gonna go to journey versus combat versus council.

我觉得这个游戏的手牌管理过程挺有决策趣味的。

I thought a little bit of an interesting decision making process with the hand management in this game.

说实话，我觉得有点无聊。

I've I felt it was kinda boring to be honest.

我只是希望牌打完直接进弃牌堆，这样你就能更频繁地洗牌了。

Like, I I I just wish that they just went to the discard and that you you were shuffling your deck more often.

我觉得这些选择并不怎么有趣，每一轮都浪费了不少时间。我觉得游戏中有几个元素就是这样，有点臃肿，导致玩家在思考决策时白白耗时，而且他们对这些系统也没什么兴趣。

I didn't think it was very interesting choices and it kind of wasted time every round, which is I think there was a couple elements of the game that did that, like, were a little bit bloated and then just kind of wasted time as people were like thinking through decisions and then they weren't that interested in the systems.

但确实也有一些不错的方面，有一些

But there were some good there were some

我正试图告诉听众们他们可以做些什么。

I'm trying to I'm trying to tell the listeners things they could do.

听好了。

Listen.

也有一些积极的方面。

There's some positive things.

别误会我的意思。

Don't get me right.

确实也有一些有趣的、令人愉快的决策。

There's there's definitely some positive things too that were fun decisions.

我只是觉得，呃，说不上来。

I just felt like like, I don't know.

这款游戏感觉只是多了一点额外的开发工作。

This is one of those games that feels like just a tad bit of of of extra development.

老实说，我觉得这位设计师在游戏里做了一些非常酷的东西。

As far like, I think that there's some really cool things that this this designer has done with the game, to be honest.

但我认为，再多一点开发工作可能会更有帮助。

But I think a little extra development probably would have would have been helpful here.

我们刚才讨论的内容中可能没明显提到的一点是，整个游戏过程中。

One thing that may not be obvious from what we've been talking about is all throughout this game.

你会遇到一些行动与回合内的特定时间段绑定。

There are places where you're going to have actions that are going to be tied to a particular time period within the round.

比如，你可能会有王国卡牌，提供春季行动、冬季行动或秋季行动。

So you may have kingdom cards that provide a spring action or a winter action or a fall action.

这些行动都是按时间顺序进行的。

You know, all of these are done chronologically.

比如，一个小植物芽代表春季行动，太阳或月亮则代表夏季战斗季节的白天或夜间行动。

So there's a little a little plant bud that's a means it's a spring action or a sun or a moon that means it's a daytime or nighttime action in the summer, which is the combat season.

而到了秋天，你会为来年做大量准备工作。

And then there's the fall where you're doing a lot of sort of prepping for the next year.

秋天用一片棕色的叶子表示，冬天则用一片雪花表示。

And that's got a little brown leaf and then there's a snowflake for the winter.

因此，你所处理的所有东西——无论是卡牌、棋盘上的位置、战术板还是王国卡——

And so all of these things that you're dealing with, whether it's a card or a location on the board or a tactic tile or a kingdom card.

这些物品上都遍布着这些符号，你可以在一年中相应的时节选择激活它们。

All of those things have these symbols spread throughout them and you activate them if you want to at the appropriate time of the year.

正如我在游戏描述中所说，这个游戏的大部分内容都是高度顺序化的。

And so much of this game, like I said in the game description is it's very sequential.

它一步接一步地进行，棋盘上确实有特定位置，你将标记从春季的第一步移动到第二步，

It goes step by step and you literally have this place, these places on the board where you're moving this marker from one location where you're at the first step of the spring.

再移动到春季的第三步，然后进入夏季的第一步。

You move to the second step of the spring and then the third step of the spring and then the first step of the summer.

因此，你必须清楚地意识到：你拥有的那些机制或可执行的动作，究竟在什么时候触发？

And so you really have to be conscious of when the things that you have trigger or when the actions that you have access to, when did they trigger?

这些事情会带来什么影响？

What are the impacts of those things?

在这款游戏中，你需要跟踪很多事项，才能恰当地运用它们。

There's a lot of things you have to be keeping track of in this game to be able to apply things appropriately.

在秋季，我好几次执行了一个动作，结果又获得了额外的秋季行动。

And there were several times when I did an action in the fall that gave me another fall action.

有一次我对亚当说：‘那你先走吧。’

And at one point I had said to Adam, I said, well, why don't you go ahead and go?

我只需要选一张牌就行了。

All I have to do is pick a card.

然后我才意识到，我买的那张牌居然给了我五个额外的秋季行动。

And then I realized that the card that I purchased gave me like five more fall actions.

但那时我已经想：算了，我不会回去让他们撤销刚才的回合。

But at that point I was like, whatever, you know, I'm not gonna go back and tell them, you know, undo your turn.

所以你真的必须时刻留意有哪些图标存在，它们何时触发，以及如何运作。

So you really do have to keep track of what icons are out there when they trigger and how they work.

是的

Yeah.

你需要在多个图标之间进行权衡，必须时刻留意每项效果的触发时机以及它们的结算顺序。

There is a juggling of icons and when there so the timing of everything you have to be aware of and what things are gonna resolve in what order.

如果你喜欢这种异步解谜类型的玩法，那么这款游戏可能非常适合你。

So if you like that kind of asynchronous puzzle, then this might be the game for you.

我还想稍微提一下。

And then I wanna mention just a little bit too.

蒂姆也可以补充一下。

Tim can add on to this too.

这里的得分非常接近。

The point scoring here was pretty tight.

得分点的发放并不多。

There wasn't that many a point handout.

所以得分情况有点像在做周期性任务一样。

So the points were kinda similar to doing a period, I guess.

我最后得了16分，而你们呢，你知道吗，那在最后一轮是个很大的跃升。

I ended up I ended up with, I think 16 and then you guys so, you know, that was a pretty large jump in that final round.

我觉得我总共得了五到六分，这在战斗轮次里已经算很多了。

I think I've tallied in five or six, which was a big for a combat round.

有点像《沙丘》，如果你表现得好，最多能拿到四、五甚至六分。

Kinda like Dune, you can get up to, you know, four or five, six points if you're doing well.

而大多数时候，拿到两三分就已经算是一轮很成功的发挥了。

And most of the time, two, three points here or there was a pretty successful round.

是的。

Yeah.

回到回合顺序的问题上，克里斯，这是一款需要稍微管理一下的游戏。

Going back to the the turn or the kind of the order of the turns, Chris, this is a game that needs to be managed a little bit.

而且，你知道，如果有人愿意担任这个管理者角色，比如大家听好了，

And, you know, we're gonna be really helpful if somebody is that manager who wants to just like, okay, guys.

那我们就接下来进行这个阶段。

So we're gonna do this phase next.

好的。

Okay.

大家都检查过自己的图标了吗？

Did everyone check your icons?

好的。

Okay.

下一阶段。

Next phase.

对吧？

Right?

这样也没关系。

And and that's okay.

有些游戏就是这么有趣。

There's some games are are fun like that.

比如《Grande》，我想起来了，我之所以卖掉它，是因为它需要管理的内容太多了，你知道的，所有的行动阶段和各种可执行的操作。

Grande comes to mind as a game that like, I I sold mine because it was so much to manage all of the act you know, all the different phases and the different actions you could do.

然后在某些阶段，就是大家同时行动。

And then some phases, it's like, okay, everybody do it all at the same time.

接下来的阶段，就按回合顺序进行。

And then the next phase, okay, do it in turn order.

而在这一阶段，就按逆回合顺序，然后在这里选择。

And then in this phase, okay, in reverse turn order, then pick the choice here.

所以这确实需要一些管理。

So it's got some management to it for sure.

不过我最喜欢的是，所有的春季图标在我看来都像啤酒花。

My favorite part about that though, is that all the spring icons, they look like hops to me.

这让我想喝啤酒。

So just made me wanna be drinking beer.

好吧。

Alright.

不错。

Cool.

好吧，让我们进入《老国王的王冠》的主题与设计部分。

Well, let let's jump into the, let's jump into the theme and production of The Old King's Crown.

我觉得这个主题相当有趣。

The theme was pretty interesting, I thought.

在很多方面，它都是一些基本的中世纪元素，蒂姆，你之前是这么叫的吧。

In a lot of ways, it was some basic, I think you called it middle ages kind of stuff, Tim.

不过它又有点超脱时代感，或者说时间背景比较模糊，因为有一张卡牌。

Although it was a little bit, you know, time immaterial, I'll say, or vague in terms of what the time period was because there was one card.

那是一张飞艇码头，所以它几乎像是——我不知道，蒸汽朋克更偏向维多利亚风格。

It was an airship dock, And so it was almost I don't know what the there's steampunk, but that's kind of more Victorian.

这个更像是蒸汽中世纪之类的东西，是的。

This is almost like steam medieval or something like that where yeah.

但这个游戏的核心理念是，老国王去世了，各个派系正在争夺王位。

But but the idea behind this game is that the old king has died and that the factions are vying.

每个派系的主题都与其可执行的动作和异步性紧密相关。

And each faction is themed to the different actions that it has available to it and it's asynchronousness.

比如在这个游戏中，我扮演的是旧王朝。

So for example, in this game, I was the old monarchy.

我想亚当你扮演的是什么角色？

I think Adam was what were you?

你是叛军，是起义者。

You were like the rebels, the insurgents.

这还挺有意思。

That's something.

说实话，我根本没注意我们派系的主题是什么。

I wasn't paying attention at all to what our faction, theme was, to be honest.

你比我能走得更远，克里斯，至少在命名上是这样。

So you you got further than I would have, Chris, with the names there.

你是部落，也就是王国里的军阀。

You you were the clans, which are like the the warlords of the of the kingdom.

我觉得这个设定表现得相当不错。

And so I thought that that, you know, that played out pretty well.

我觉得这个主题在游戏中表现得相当不错，至于制作方面，我暂时保留我的看法。

I thought that was represented pretty well in the game as far as the theme goes, and I'll I'll hold my thoughts for now on the production.

抛开主题不说，我直接说说这个游戏的艺术设计。

Well, theme aside, I'm gonna I'm gonna go right to artwork in this game.

和上周一样，亚当。

Just like last week, Adam.

和上周一样

Just like last

周。

week.

它它

It's it's

是整场的亮点。

the star of the show.

我敢打赌，如果你听说过这个游戏，你肯定听说过它的艺术设计。

I'm sure if you haven't if you've heard anything about this game, you've probably heard about the artwork.

这位艺术家同时也是设计师，而艺术效果简直太棒了。

The artist is also the designer, and then art is incredible.

我觉得这太美了。

I think it's beautiful.

那些线条、光影的运用，以及卡牌上一点点的描述文字。

Those line work and the play with light and shadows and a little bit of flavor text on the cards.

每张卡牌都十分出色，讲述着一个小故事，每张卡上还带有一些幽默的描述文字。

Each of these cards is brilliant, tells a little story, and it's got some little humorous flavor text on each one of these.

游戏版图也非常漂亮。

The game board is beautiful.

你可以盯着它看，发现每个区域、每片小土地里隐藏的细节和彩蛋。

You could stare at it and find little details, little Easter eggs in each of the regions, each of the little lands.

在游戏过程中，光是看着它就让人感到愉快。

It was just fun to look at during the game.

关于艺术设计，我就说到这里。

So that's where I'll stop with the artwork.

简直美极了。

Just incredibly beautiful.

是的。

Yeah.

艺术设计太棒了。

The artwork is awesome.

我觉得这款游戏的整体制作都非常出色。

I think the production across the board in this game is fantastic.

这是通过Kickstarter众筹的吗？

Was this a Kickstarter?

你们知道吗？

Do you guys know?

还是直接面向零售渠道发行的？

Or was this just like a direct to retail?

这是通过Kickstarter众筹的。

It was a Kickstarter.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为我之前对Kickstarter的批评有点误解了。

And I think this is where I probably have gotten my critique of Kickstarter wrong a little bit.

如果没有Kickstarter的资金支持，像这样的作品几乎不可能普遍出现。

And that I don't think productions like this will ever exist commonly without Kickstarter dollars behind them.

这就是这类作品得以制作的方式。

This how productions get made like this.

显然，这部作品的亮点是艺术设计，而设计师同时也是艺术家，这一点令人印象深刻。

Obviously the star of the show is the artwork and the fact that the designer is also the artist is so impressive.

我简直无法想象，一个人怎么能同时拥有这两种截然不同的技能，并且都能做得这么好。

Like I can't wrap my head around the idea that somebody can have those two very different skill sets and pull them both off.

我真诚地认为，这里的设计师帕布罗·克拉克不仅设计了一款出色的游戏，还亲手制作了一款视觉上极为精美的作品。

And I honestly think that the designer here, Pablo Clark did like he made a game that works and he produced a beautiful looking game with his own hand.

我对这一点感到无比钦佩。

And I am just in awe of that.

这真的很酷。

So that's really cool.

但除此之外，整个制作都非常出色。

But otherwise, the production's just cool across the board.

玩家版图、那些小方片、每个玩家版图上可以使用的战术牌，都与你的玩家版图完美对应，使用时只需翻转即可。

The player boards, those little tiles, the tactics tiles you can play each of the player boards, they all kind of line up to your player board and then you flip them over when you use them.

它们底部都有不同的图案或线条，使得每张牌形状各异，这纯粹是为了让制作机制更酷炫。

They all have different kind of designs or like lines across the bottom of them so that they're each shaped differently for no reason other than it's just a cool production mechanism.

还有那个进度条，它的图形设计和用户体验真的非常聪明。

And the track, like the graphic design, the user experience, should say is really smart.

你需要追踪这么多不同的阶段，但只需一个标记沿着棋盘移动，就能自然地指示游戏的不同阶段，一切都衔接得刚刚好。

Like you got all these different phases you gotta track, but there's this token you just kind of follow around the board and it gets to the different phases of the game and it just, it kind of all works.

所以我觉得这里的制作简直太棒了。

So I think it's just a wonderful production here.

我们是在桌游模拟器上玩的。

Like I, we played it on tabletop simulator.

我太想看到它摆在桌面上了。

I am dying to see this on the table.

所以克里斯，不管你对这个游戏有什么看法或最终评价，我的建议是让你的朋友把它 setup 好，和你一起玩一局，这样你就能亲眼看到它摆在桌面上的样子了，因为它看起来太棒了。

So Chris, regardless of what you feel about the game and your final thoughts, I I mean, like, I would recommend tell your friend to get it set up and play it with them so that you can actually see this on the table because it looks awesome.

是的。

Yeah.

或者不。

I Or not.

我会等到最后再决定是否真的这么做。

I will hold my thoughts on whether I'll actually do that until the end.

但没错，我同意。

But yes, I agree.

在所有方面，它的制作都绝对令人惊叹，尤其是美术设计。

The production is absolutely astonishingly good in all aspects, particularly the art.

和你一样，蒂姆，我完全没想到设计师同时也是艺术家，因为通常来说，如果一个游戏设计很棒，那它的设计师往往并不擅长艺术。

And like you, Tim, I completely I'm completely blown away that the designer was also the artist because normally if you have a great design, you don't have a, the person is not a great artist as well.

这里两者都有。

Here you have both.

你有一个出色的设计，还有一些非常优秀的艺术作品。

You have a good design and you have, and you have some really excellent art.

我特别欣赏艺术的一点是，每张卡牌之间的风格都独一无二。

One of the things that I really appreciated about the art was how unique it was from card to card.

我觉得每一张卡牌都不一样。

Like every single card I believe was different.

我不认为有任何重复的卡牌。

I don't think there were any duplicates.

每个派系虽然拥有相同的能力，但艺术风格各不相同，并且围绕各自派系的主题展开，包括你可以购买的升级卡牌。

Each faction, even though we had the same abilities, had different art and was themed to the particular faction, including the upgraded cards that you could buy.

这些也都各不相同。

Those were all different.

所以你看到的每一样东西，都是独一无二的艺术作品。

So really everything you saw, each one was its own unique piece of artwork.

所以要给帕布洛·克拉克点赞，他确实做到了三连冠。

So kudos to Pablo Clark for pulling off a real hat trick there.

酷。

Cool.

好吧，我们进入最后一个问题。

Well, jump into our final question.

你会希望再玩一次《老国王的王冠》吗？

Would you request to play The Old King's Crown again?

不，我不喜欢这个游戏。

No, I did not love this game.

我甚至不确定自己是否喜欢这个游戏。

I not even sure I'd say I liked the game.

它玩四到六轮，但到第四轮结束时，我已经迫不及待想结束了。

It plays four to six rounds, and by the end of round four, I was quite ready for it to be over.

我认为这很大程度上是因为规则太复杂了。

And I think a lot of that had to do with the density of the rules.

我的意思是，这些规则真的非常繁复。

I mean, it was it was some really dense rules.

有很多细小的细节你需要记住，还得时刻在脑子里想着，同时也要记得桌面上摆放的各个元素，比如什么时候该出哪些牌，沿着那个一步接一步的路径前进。

There was a lot of little details you had to remember, and you had to constantly keep them in your head, as well as the things that were on the table in front of you remembering when to play the different pieces, you know, following this this track where you're going from step to step to step.

我觉得这种玩法让人感到枯燥乏味。

I I found it unpleasantly procedural.

而这种体验通常并不是我喜欢游戏的原因。

And that is not normally something that I enjoy in a game.

再加上需要记住这么多细枝末节的东西。

And you combine that with the fact that there were so many little details to remember.

我的意思是，我反复翻看说明书，好几次都想不起这个行动到底是怎么运作的。

I mean, I was going back and looking at the instruction booklet in this one so many times to remember how does this action operate?

这个图标和那个图标，它们到底如何影响战斗？

How does this different, how does this icon affect the the combat?

而本应是游戏最精彩部分的战斗，却变得令人沮丧，部分原因就在于它太过简单了。

And then the combat, which should have been the most exciting part of the game ended up being really frustrating because part of it being that it was so simple.

某种程度上，我提过《Wonderlands War》，但没有了抽牌的乐趣。

It was kind of like in a way, I mentioned Wonderlands War, but without the fun part of drawing the tiles.

你只是放下卡片，然后解决战斗。

You just put down the card and then you resolve the combat.

也许有些行动会带来一两个影响，但毕竟没有《Wonderlands War》那么有趣。

Maybe there's an impact or two from some action, but, you know, it didn't have the fun of Wonderlands War.

所以这有点让人失望。

So that was kind of kind of sad.

它让我联想到另一款游戏《Nemesis》，不过是以一种负面的方式——那款游戏整体感觉更好。

One thing that it reminded me of in a negative way in a game that I thought still maintained a better overall feel is Nemesis.

在《Nemesis》里，也有类似的步骤化回合，你得一步接一步地完成自己的回合。

In Nemesis, there is that same procedural kind of turn where you're going step by step by step through your turn.

我能看出来这两位都在想：‘你在说啥？’

And I can see both of these guys are giving me this like, what are you talking about?

是的。

Yeah.

这款游戏在其他任何方面都让我联想不到《Nemesis》，别误会。

In no other way does this game remind me of Nemesis, Don't get me wrong.

我们会给它

We will give it

就像《Nemesis》一样，你得一步步来：先做这个，再做那个，然后又做这个，不断循环这一系列步骤。

like Nemesis, you kind of have to go through, okay, we do this and then we do this and then we do this and you're kind of constantly cycling through this, this set of, of steps.

我觉得在这里，回报根本不足以抵消这种付出的努力。

And I think it here, the payoff just wasn't high enough to make it worth that effort.

是的，克里斯。

Yeah, Chris.

我觉得‘程序化’这个词用得不错。

I think procedural is a good word.

我会想再玩一次《Old Kings Crown》吗？

Would I request to play Old Kings crown again?

我觉得至少还值得再看一遍。

I I think it's worth at least one more look.

游戏中有一些有趣的时刻，我可以用我的小战术板做些有趣的花招，它们叫什么来着？

There was a couple fun moments in the game, a couple fun trickery that I could do with my little fact my what are they called?

战术板。

TTTs, tactics tiles.

我觉得这一点还挺有意思的。

So I thought that was a little bit interesting.

卡牌玩法挺有趣的，能和上面那个议会组合出一些连招，不过你说得对。

The card play was kind of fun and being able to get some combos going with the that council up there and pulling my but you're right.

有很多时候我会想，哦，我现在要这么做。

There was a lot of, oh, now I'm gonna do this.

我要那样做。

I'm gonna do that.

那是什么？

There was what?

春季阶段，每个人都要按顺序结算他们的春季行动和春季能力。

The spring phase when everybody had to resolve their spring action, spring abilities in order.

我花了大约十分钟在做这件事。

I was doing that for like ten minutes.

我板子上堆满了所有的春季能力。

I had like all these spring abilities on my board.

我真替你们感到可怜。

I feel bad for you guys.

我当时想，好吧，我要做这个。

I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this.

我要把这里这个和那里这个都用上。

I'm get this thing here and this thing here.

你们则说：‘哎呀，亚当，别这样了。’

And you guys are like, oh, come on, Adam.

这就是生活。

This is life.

所以，这个回报值得吗？

So, yeah, is the payoff worth it?

我不知道。

I don't know.

有几个不错的时刻。

There's a couple good moments.

如果人们玩这个够多的话，是的，你玩了五六次之后，就能轻松地使出所有招式，那时候会好玩吗？

And then if you get if people play this one enough, so yeah, you played it five, six times and then you just could whip out all your moves nice and quickly, then is it gonna be fun then?

我不知道。

I don't know.

我至少想再试一次，但我并不急着回到这个游戏。

I wanna check it out at least one more time, but I'm not dying to get back to this one.

尽管我原本以为，你知道的，这款游戏有很多炒作。

As much as I thought, you know, there's a lot of hype around this game.

我闭嘴坐下，认真做了一个详细的评测。

I shut up a sit down, did a big huge piece on it.

而且，开个玩笑，他们也做了一个四十五分钟的视频来介绍这个游戏。

And, no pun included, they also did, a forty five minute video on this one.

所以关于这个游戏，现在有太多炒作了。

So there's just tons of hype going on about this one.

但我看不出它有什么特别的。

And I don't see it.

说到底，它就是一个臃肿的车道对战游戏，只有一些有趣的时刻。

It's just a, a bloaty lane battler with some interesting moments to sum it up.

所以对我来说，《旧王冠》至少还值得再看一次。

So that's Old King's Crown for me worth at least one more look.

也许可以称它为最接近‘臃肿车道对战’的游戏。

Maybe the close Bloaty lane battler.

我不觉得他们会在下一版的包装上印上这个标题。

I don't think they're gonna be putting that on their box in the next in second edition.

这可能是亚当和我迄今为止在任何话题上最接近达成一致的一次。

This might be the closest that Adam and I agree on any topic ever.

我觉得这款游戏值得再看一次，但我可能不会急着去寻找它。

I think this game is worth the second look, but I'm probably not gonna be searching it out quickly.

但我觉得我其实有点犹豫不决。

But I I think I would like to I I guess I would say I'm on the fence.

好吧，现在情况是这样的。

Like, right now here's the deal.

对吧？

Right?

我们打到第三轮结束的时候。

We get to the end of the third round.

我说过，游戏一开始我们就这么定了。

And I said, we had started at beginning of the game.

我们是要打四轮还是五轮呢？

Like, are we gonna play a four round or five round game?

我们最后决定，不如先别定死？

We kinda decided, well, why don't we leave it open?

看看时间进展如何，再做决定吧。

We'll see how timing is going and stuff like that.

所以我们打到了第三轮结束。

So we got to the end of the third round.

他们说：‘各位，我们要不要四轮结束，还是继续打五轮？’

They said, guys, are we gonna end it at four rounds or do you wanna go to five?

我当时真希望你们会选择四轮结束。

And I was praying that you were gonna end it at four.

我真的有点玩累了。

Like, I I really was kinda tired of the game.

这游戏有点拖得太久。

It was it was it was it was dragging a little bit.

我其实不觉得

Like, I I didn't real

我觉得比分是九比八，非常接近。

And I think the score was, like, nine to it was a tight score.

比分是九比八。

Was, like, nine to eight

八分，或者那时候。

to eight or at that point.

所以，那本该是一个激动人心且紧张的时刻。

And so it was like it could have been an exciting and an intense moment.

但说实话，我当时已经有点对这场比赛感到厌倦了。

But honestly, I was just kinda it was kinda bored with the game at that point.

所以，它有一些很酷的元素和一些非常宏大、激动人心的瞬间，这些本可能让你感到非常沮丧。

So it's like it has some cool stuff going on and some very big and exciting moments, which could make you feeling very bad.

比如，这游戏中有一些粗糙的片段和令人沮丧的时刻。

Like, there is some rough take that and mean moments in this game.

是的。

Yeah.

但你知道，如果你仔细想想，我其实本来想在今晚比赛开始前跟大家说：记住，这种比赛就是那种你注定要输掉的类型，你以为自己已经胜券在握，但实际上并不会赢。

But, you know, if you kinda go I actually meant to say before we started the game tonight, guys, I meant to say, just remember that this is one of those types of games that you are just gonna lose crap, and and you think you're set up to win a battle and you're not going to.

我忘了说这句话。

I didn't remember to say that.

我肯定会建议新手坐下来玩这个游戏，因为这会让一些人感到不舒服。

I would definitely prep somebody new to to sit down and play this because this is gonna make some people feel bad.

我敢保证。

I guarantee you.

它会制造一些糟糕的时刻。

It's gonna create some bad moments.

是的。

Yeah.

但我确实也经历了一些有趣的时刻，我觉得这种不对称性以及各种触发效果都很酷。

But but I but I also had some fun moments that I thought all the asymmetry and all the different effects that can trigger are cool.

我觉得这款游戏的复杂度和时长与你获得的体验不成正比。

I think it's too heavy and too long for what you get out of it.

对于那种只是翻牌、赌你能否猜中对手的游戏，我宁愿选择《自由之帆：狂风之境》，每周每天都愿意玩。

I I think I'd rather almost almost always for a game that is about just flipping a card and hoping you guess right against the other players, I'd rather play Libertalia Winds of Galecrest any day of the week.

而且那款游戏会进行得非常快。

And that's gonna go really quick.

这会带来一些有趣而短暂的时刻，但这个游戏花费了太多时间。

It's gonna be fun, quick moments, And this just took too much time.

而且在某些阶段，其他玩家需要思考和触发大量效果，导致等待时间过长。

And and there was too much downtime in some of the phases where other people had a bunch of effects to think about and trigger.

而且，是的，这个游戏的体验与所花的时间相比实在拖得太久了。

And, yeah, it just dragged for what for what you get out of the game.

但话说回来，我仍然想在桌边再试一次，看着眼前这精美的制作，也许第二次玩时，我会更快地厌倦它，因为我感觉已经大致体验过了。

But all that to be said, I I think I would like to try it again sitting at a table, seeing this beautiful production on the table in front of me, and maybe with the second play, this may be one of those games where it's just even like, I'm I'm over it even quicker on the next play because I feel like I've kind of already experienced it.

或者，它也可能是一款需要玩上几次后，才逐渐显现出魅力的游戏——你能为自己制造出巨大的关键时刻，同时阻止其他玩家达成他们的目标。

Or it could be one of those games that you played a couple times, and then the the thrill of it starts to become apparent where you've got these huge moments you can set yourself up for, and you can stop other people from doing the things they want to.

我还不是很确定老国王的王冠最终会落在谁头上。

I'm not quite sure where old the old king's crown is gonna fall yet.

我猜我可能再玩一次就会彻底放下了。

I suspect it's gonna be a maybe one more play for me and then I'm probably good with it.

但如果有机会，我肯定会再试一次。

But, but I'd give it another try for sure if I had the opportunity.

是的

Yeah.

我想就你刚才说的最后一点发表一下看法。

I just wanna weigh in on that last part you just said.

我觉得这款游戏要想真正玩得熟练，必须得多玩几次，才能掌握策略和理解它。

I feel like this is a game where to be really competent at it, you'd have to play it a bunch of times to really get the strategy and understand it.

但玩完一局后，我就有点厌倦了。

But after, well, after one play, was already kinda bored with it.

所以等我真正精通的时候，可能已经对它厌烦透了。

So by the time I'm really good at it, I'm gonna be really bored of it.

可惜的是。

Sad sadly.

可惜的是，因为你知道，这款游戏本来是有潜力的。

Sadly, because, you know, it it it was a game that had potential.

好吧。

Alright.

好了，关于老国王的玩家群体，我们的想法就说到这里。

Well, that will wrap up our thoughts on the old king's crowd.

接下来，让我们聊聊最近摆在我们桌上的几款游戏。

Let's jump into some games that have been on our table right after this.

欢迎回来，克里斯。

Welcome back, Chris.

你最近玩了些什么游戏？

What have you been playing lately?

最近我桌上摆了太多新游戏了。

So I've had so many new games on the table recently.

我简单提一下上周末我们评测过的那款游戏，《时光回响》。

One that I'll just mention really quickly is the game that we reviewed last week, is Echoes of Time.

我已经玩了三遍了。

I've now played it three times.

上周末我们坐在桌边做评测的时候，我就买了一套。

I bought a copy of it while we were sitting there at the table doing our review last week.

从那以后，我和我本地的游戏圈玩过，也和我妻子玩过。

And since then, I've played it with my my local game group and I played it with my wife.

到目前为止，我觉得我对这款游戏的喜爱程度至少不亚于，甚至可能超过我们做评测时的感觉。

And so far at least, I feel as strongly about it, probably more strongly about it than I did the when we did the review.

我们在做评测时大家都挺喜欢这款游戏的。

And I think we all liked it when we did the review.

这里的谜题简直令人着迷。

The puzzle here is absolutely entrancing.

这太神奇了。

It's magical.

我真的很、真的很享受这款游戏。

And I am really, really enjoying it.

所以我期待着下次我们聚在一起时，能有机会坐下来实际玩一玩这款游戏。

So I'm looking forward to when we get a chance to sit down and play this one in real life when we get together next time.

我们还刚刚在DGA上开始了一款新游戏。

And we also just started a game on DGA.

我相信现在它已经进入Alpha阶段了。

It's now in alpha, I believe.

是的。

Yeah.

所以去试试看吧。

So check it out.

我可以

Can I

说一下吗？

just mention?

对。

Yeah.

就马上说一下。

Just really quick.

我想提一下，我们做过。

I wanna mention we did.

我现在只在那里面玩了两轮左右。

I've only taken like two turns in that right now.

我得说，这是一款我甚至更喜欢在桌面上模拟器上玩，而不是在棋盘游戏竞技场玩的游戏。

And I gotta say this is one of those games that I think I really, really preferred even playing on tabletop simulator over board game arena.

我认为其中一个原因是，当你把牌放到时间轴上时，它只会变成一个小图标，看不到精美的插画。

And I think one of the reasons for that is that when you play your card into the time track, it just becomes this little icon and you don't have the beautiful artwork showing.

但除此之外，我也觉得它显得太抽象了。

But otherwise, I just also feel like it just it feels like, I don't know, too abstract.

我觉得这款游戏我更希望把牌拿在手里。

I feel like this is a game I wanna have the cards in my hand.

这样我可以轻松地看到它们。

I can be looking at them easily.

我不想不停地上下滚动屏幕。

I don't wanna be scrolling up and down the screen.

所以我觉得，这可能不太适合我在BGA上玩。

So maybe not not gonna be a great BGA game for me, I think.

但我们还是会玩完一整局。

But we'll get through a full game.

这还是个测试版。

It's still an alpha too.

这确实是个很棒的测试版。

It is a great Still an alpha.

这是一款非常棒的实体游戏。

It is a great IRL game.

好的。

Okay.

这确实还是个测试版。

It is still yeah.

说得对，亚当。

Good good call, Adam.

这还是个测试版。

It is still an alpha.

说得好。

Good point.

对。

Yeah.

也许他们会把我提到的那些内容完善一下。

Maybe they'll maybe they'll make some of the things that I've got complete.

不过我得承认，每当我对板游戏竞技场上的Alpha版本这么说，他们从来不会改我所不满的地方。

Although I have to admit that anytime I've ever said that about an alpha game on board game arena, they don't change the things that I have problems with.

比如，可能会修复一些bug。

Like, might fix some bugs.

他们可能会做一些轻微的界面调整。

They might make some minor, interface adjustments.

《火星 terraforming》在Alpha阶段之后确实做了不少不错的改进。

Terraforming Mars actually did some nice improvements after alpha.

但大多数时候，他们最终还是保持原样。

But most of the time, they end up sticking about we're there.

但无论如何，我对此并不抱怨。

But in any case, I'm not complaining about it.

我只是说，我觉得亲自玩会更有趣。

I'm just saying that I think it'll be more fun to play in person.

我想提到的另一款游戏，对我来说是新游戏，是由节目朋友Mur Omega介绍给我的，他是一位加拿大听众，也知道我是太平洋西北地区的人。

So the other game that I wanted to mention, a new game to me is one that I was introduced to by friend of the show, Mur Omega, who is a, a Canadian listener and who also knows that I'm a Pacific Northwestern guy.

所以他想向我推荐另一款像《Cascadia》那样的游戏，背景设定在我钟爱的太平洋西北地区。

And so wanted to introduce me to another game like Cascadia set in my beloved Pacific Northwest.

这款游戏叫《Reforest》，由Sebastian Bernier Wong设计，由Firestarter Games发行。

It's called Reforest and it was designed by Sebastian Bernier Wong and is published by Firestarter Games.

这非常像简化版的《Wingspan》，没有版图，也没有每张牌触发时复杂的不同行动机制。

This is very much like a simplified version of Wingspan without the boards and the complexity of the different actions that have to be triggered, whenever you play a card.

本质上，你是在构建一个由三张牌在底部、两张在中间、一张在顶部组成的布局，基本模拟一座山，而这些卡牌在山中三角形位置的摆放规则由所有不同的植物卡决定。

Essentially, what you're doing is you're creating this tableau of three cards at the bottom, two cards in the middle, one card at the top, basically replicating a mountain and where the cards can go in that mountain in that little triangle are dictated by the cards, which are all different plants.

所以这款游戏里没有鸟类，取而代之的是植物。

So instead of having, birds, you have plants in this game.

但在其他方面，这款游戏在行动类型和卡牌触发的结果上与《Wingspan》非常相似。

But in other ways, this is incredibly similar in time in terms of the type of actions in the things that result from playing these cards.

所以你可能会有允许你抽牌的行动。

So you may have actions that let you draw a card.

如果你在相邻位置打出另一张卡，就可以覆盖现有卡牌，制造出可用于未来购买卡牌的资源。

If you play another card adjacent to this one, you can plant over cards and create fodder that you can use to buy cards in the in the future.

每一轮，你都试图完成某些与动物相关的目标，这些动物被称为‘访客’，会来到你的植物区域；根据你想要吸引的动物——比如需要大量浆果的熊，或者需要在下层植被中藏身的兔子——来决定你每轮的目标。

And ultimately in each round, you're trying to accomplish certain goals that are related to animals, what they call visitors that will come into your plant area and based on what you're looking for, whether it's a a bear that might want lots of berries or, you know, a rabbit that needs places that it can hide in the understory are gonna dictate what goals you're trying to shoot for each round.

所以，穆尔和我一直在BGA平台上玩这款游戏，它在那里可以玩到。

So, Murr and I have been playing this game on BGA where it is available.

这是一款2024年发布的游戏，所以刚推出不久。

This is a 2024 game, so out pretty recently.

到目前为止，玩起来非常有趣。

And so far it has been a lot of fun.

如果你喜欢《Wingspan》，这款游戏节奏更快、规则更简单，同时保留了《Wingspan》的某些感觉。

If you like wingspan, this one is quicker, simpler, and has some of those same feels as wingspan.

它还拥有非常精美的太平洋西北地区植物插画，这可能给我带来一点优势，因为我家后院里几乎都有这些植物。

It also has some really beautiful Pacific Northwest plant art, which probably gives me a light, advantage here because I think I have most of this stuff in my yard.

当我看到鲑莓时，心想：哦，对了，这就是我的游戏。

So when I saw salmonberries in there, was like, oh yeah, This is this is my game.

玩这个游戏真的非常开心。

So having a lot of fun with this one.

再说一遍，这是《重新造林》。

Again, this is Reforest.

去看看吧。

Check it out.

克里斯，这看起来真棒。

Chris, this looks delightful.

它看起来就像一副牌。

Is it it looks like it's just a deck of cards.

对吧？

Right?

一个盒子，一小副卡片？

A box, a little deck of cards?

是的。

Yep.

真漂亮。

Beautiful.

而且每张卡片上都有那种自然风格的插图，描绘着单独的植物或动物，并附有一些标签。

And it has that that sort of nature drawing to sketches with the individual plant or animal on the card and some tags going with.

所以这张看起来真不错。

So this one looks delightful.

真想试试这个。

Love to try this one.

精致的小制作。

Beautiful little production.

看起来你可以带着它出门，在太平洋西北部的Reforest露营时玩。

Looks like you can take this one on the road, play while you're camping up there in the PNW reforest.

毫无疑问。

No doubt.

除了来自太平洋西北地区之外，克里斯，还有什么理由让人选择玩这个游戏而不是《Wingspan》呢？

Aside from being from the Pacific Northwest, Chris, what would make somebody choose to play this game over over Wingspan for a shuffle?

也就是说，它的吸引力在哪里？

Like, what is it what's it's like hook?

它有什么优势？

What does it have that's got it that that it's got going for it?

有几个原因。

Couple things.

和《Forest Shuffle》相比，《Forest Shuffle》是一款更重的游戏。

Comparing it to Forest Shuffle, it Forest Shuffle is a heavier game.

它更复杂，而且占地方。

There's more complexity and it's a table hog.

我实际玩过这款游戏，摆放所有卡牌组成你的牌阵时，会占用相当大的空间。

I have played that one in real life and it takes up a lot of space when you're laying out these, you're laying out all the cards into your tableau that can take up quite a bit of space.

这是一款小得多的游戏。

This is a much smaller game.

牌阵非常小。

The tableau is very small.

总共只会用到六张牌。

It's only gonna end up being six cards total.

所以，这里有一些不同之处。

So, couple of differences there.

《Wingspan》。

Wingspan.

也许你对植物的兴趣比对鸟类更大。

It might just be that you're more interested in plants than you are with birds.

也许你想要一款更轻量一些的游戏。

It might be that you want something a little bit lighter.

这款游戏的难度评分为2.64，我认为这和《Wingspan》差别不大。

This is listed at a 2.64, which I don't think is that much different than wingspan.

虽然我觉得这是一款稍微轻量一些的游戏，但亚当指出了一个我认为不同的地方。

Although I feel like this is a slightly lighter game, but Adam pointed out one thing I think that is different.

这仅仅是一副牌。

It's just a deck of cards.

所以你可以坐在那里。

So you can sit there.

你可以在野餐桌上玩这个游戏，而像Wingspan这样的游戏至少不容易做到。

You can play this at a picnic table, which you can't really do with Wingspan, at least not super easily.

我的意思是，你需要所有的骰子，还需要所有那些小零件。

I mean, there's you need a you need all the dice and you need all the little bits and pieces.

你不需要像在Wingspan中那样使用任何资源或小标记。

You don't have any of the the resources or the little chits that you'd have to use in Wingspan.

这些东西都不存在。

None of that exists.

也没有骰子。

There's no dice.

就只是这一副牌，这就是你所需要的一切。

It's just that deck of cards and that's all you're gonna need.

有意思。

Interesting.

这个资源的权重是2.64，而《翼展》的是2.48。

This resource is weighted at 2.64 and Wingspan's at 2.48.

所以我不确定这一点。

So I don't know about that.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这真的很奇怪。

I thought that was really weird.

我觉得《翼展》的复杂度绝对高于2.48。

Like, I think that wingspan is definitely a higher than 2.48 weight.

因为它有更多的组件。

Like, it's more components.

跟踪你的立方体在不断触发各种能力时的流动，有点奇怪。

It's a little it's a little weird to track your cube going through all the abilities that you're triggering all the time.

你需要关注的效果太多了。

There's so many effects you gotta pay attention to.

我认为BGG社区对《Wingspan》的权重评定偏低了。

I think that BGG community has underweighted Wingspan.

这是我的

That's my

我猜你是对的。

I bet you're right.

这是我的想法，我觉得你说得对。

That's my I think you're right.

我的强烈观点，我对《Wingspan》的热门看法。

Strong opinion, my hot take on Wingspan.

这边温度降下来了。

It cooled down over here.

好吧。

Alright.

我桌上摆了几样东西。

On my table's been a couple of things.

首先，我想回到死细胞，再聊一聊这个。

First, I'm gonna go back to dead cells and talk about that for a little bit.

所以我一直玩这个游戏。

So I kept playing that.

我用了一个叫‘四分体’的不同角色，发现了一个可能非常过强的组合。

I used a different character called the quartered, and I found a very potentially overpowered combo.

如果你不想听，就把音量调低，大约二十秒后再调回来。

If you don't wanna hear about it, you know, turn the volume down and turn it back up in about twenty seconds.

总之，你获得四分体后，可以升级你的红色轨道或紫色轨道。

Anyway, you get the quartered and you upgrade your red track with the quartered or your purple track.

这两个中的任何一个都可以，红色轨道至少升一级，紫色轨道当然是越高越好。

Either one of those will do the red track at least one and the purple track, you know, the more the better.

你会得到一把叫作‘撕裂光环’的武器。

And you get this weapon called the lacerating aura.

它能让你对前方造成伤害，如果你还有另一张战斗卡，还能对后方的两个目标造成伤害。

It lets you do damage to the front and then if you have another combat card, it lets you do damage to the rear of you two.

而且你还能双重触发你的特殊能力。

So and you get to double up on your special ability.

所以最后一个环序是一个特殊能力。

So the last ring order is a special ability.

因此，每次你使用能力时，都能造成两次四点伤害。

So you get to do four damage twice every time you have an ability.

而且有时在第零轮你就能做到这一点。

And you get to do that sometimes in round zero.

所以到了大约第一轮半的时候，你就能一路横扫所有人，游戏就结束了。

So you can just you're just hacking through everybody by the time it's around, you know, by the time you're in round one and a half, you just slice through everybody and it's all over.

发现这个组合很有趣，但之后游戏就变得毫无挑战了。

So that was neat to find it, but then it made the game just trivial after that.

所以，总的来说，在《死亡细胞》里这个组合非常强大。

So anyway, a very powerful combination there in Dead Cells.

这是我第一次遇到这种奇怪的组合。

First time I've ever found any sort of freaky combination like that.

我仍然觉得这个游戏挺有意思的，但这个组合让我有点失望。

Still think the game is pretty neat, but a little disappointing with that combination.

Anyway，我想聊的这个游戏，是我之前在富勒顿图书馆玩过的。

Anyway, the game I wanna talk about it, it's been on my table that I played in Fullerton at the library there.

这个游戏叫《Biblios》，我早就听说过无数次了，因为我常听《Board Game Barrage》，我觉得尼兰德几乎把这当成他这辈子最爱的游戏了，他也因此挨了不少批评。

It is called Biblios, and I had heard about this one a billion times because I listened to Board Game Barrage, and that's all I think Nieland is, like, his favorite game ever in the world, and he takes a lot of heat for it.

但我一直想看看它到底有什么特别，正好有个朋友有这游戏，我们就玩了一把。

But I wanted to see what it was about, and some guy had this, so we played it.

在《Biblios》里，你们要做的，蒂姆之前其实稍微提到过。

What you're doing here in Biblios is Tim kind of alluded to this one earlier.

这个游戏大致分为两个阶段。

It's kind of two stages in this game.

这个游戏分为两个独立的阶段。

It's two sort of separate arcs.

第一阶段，你拥有整副牌，我们当时玩的是四人局。

So the first part, you have the whole deck of cards and we had a four player game going.

你发五张牌，第一张牌你可以自由选择如何处理。

So, you deal out five cards and the first card you get to choose.

这张牌是放进公共牌堆，还是放进未来的拍卖牌堆，还是留在自己手中？

Is it gonna go into the common pile or is it gonna go into a future auction pile or is it gonna go into your own hand?

你需要对这五张牌逐一做出选择。

So you make those choices with the five cards.

在进入公共牌堆的三张牌中，你要决定哪些玩家能获得这些明示的牌。

Of the three cards that go into that common pile, you decide which other players are getting those face up cards.

这里需要一点记忆力，如果你想追踪谁拿到了哪些其他牌的话。

So a little bit of memory here if you wanna try to keep track of who's getting what other cards.

但你要对整副牌重复这个过程。

But you do this for the whole entire deck of cards.

一共有五种花色的牌。

There's five suits of cards.

你拿到这些牌的最终目标是控制这些不同的花色。

You're getting these cards with the end goal of trying to control these different suits.

在游戏结束时，你会对这五种不同的花色进行计分。

There's gonna be five different suits that you're gonna score for at the end.

这些花色的分数值由一个六面骰子决定，你可以在游戏中操控它。

These are the point value of these suits is controlled by a d six, which you're gonna manipulate during the game.

无论如何，当你打完整副牌后，每个人都会拥有自己的牌。

Anyway, once you go through the whole deck, everybody has their cards.

现在，你们要对那些被大家放入拍卖堆的牌进行拍卖。

Now you're doing an auction for the cards that were stashed in the auction pile that everybody decided to put in the auction pile.

如果出现一张花色牌，你就可以用金钱牌出价，然后拍卖依次进行。

So you look if a a suit card turns up, you get to bid money cards and then that just goes around an auction.

你打算出多少钱？

How much money you're gonna bid?

你付钱买下它，然后把钱牌丢掉。

You pay the money for it, throw that out.

现在你的钱变少了，但你获得了一张花色牌。

Now you're down some money, but you gain a suit card.

如果翻出的是钱牌，你就用花色牌来竞标。

If it's a money card that comes up, you're gonna bid suit cards for it.

你只需说出要弃掉几张牌来换取一张钱牌。

So you just say how many cards you're gonna toss out to obtain a a money card.

你也可以用一张1元钱牌去换一张3元钱牌。

And you could also throw, like, a a $1 money card for a $3 money card.

这样你的收入就增加了几块钱。

So you've just upped your income a couple bucks.

所以这里有两个不同的竞拍环节。

So it's a couple different auctions here.

你先发牌给所有人，等每个人都拿到一手牌后，再对这堆额外的牌进行竞拍。

So you're distributing the deck the first half, and then once everybody has a hand of cards, you're auctioning for this other chunk of cards.

然后就结束了。

And then that's it.

在这个过程中，你操控着骰子，希望在五个颜色的色块中，将你想要得分的色块都凑成最高数值。

You've manipulated the dice while you're doing this, and, hopefully, you've built the the highest number in the suits that you wanna score for while these dice are being manipulated in each of the five color suits.

然后统计谁的棕色色块最多，谁的蓝色色块最多，绿色、黄色和红色色块又分别最多的是谁。

Then you just tally it up who's got the most of the brown suit, who's got the most of the blue suit, the green suit, the yellow suit, and the red suit.

每个色块中的骰子点数对应一到六分不等。

And that's worth between one and six points depending on what each of those dice value are in those suits.

这就是整个游戏。

And that's the game.

很简单。

Pretty simple.

听起来好像没什么动静，但实际上不然。

It sounds like maybe not much is going on, but it is.

这里面有很多深思熟虑的策略。

There's a lot thoughtful going on.

有几张卡可以让你操作骰子，骰子，还是单个骰子？

There's a couple cards that let you manipulate the dices, the dice, The die?

有

There's

骰子。

dice.

要么将数值加一，要么骰子。

Either up the value one or dice.

将数值加一或减一，或者把两个不同的骰子面改成，比如加一或减一。

Up the value one or decrease one or, you know, change two different dice faces to some, you know, up up one or down one.

所以有几种简单的骰子操作，加上很多竞拍，游戏节奏很快。

So a couple simple manipulations of dice, lots of auctioning, quick game.

这挺不错的。

It's pretty good.

是的，我也经常有这种感觉。

Yeah, I feel like this a lot too.

我玩过这个游戏。

I've played it.

我玩过，而且一直留意着原版，尽管它的主题有点平淡。

I've played it and I have been keeping a little bit of an eye out for the original version, even though it is kind of a bland theme.

他们出过一个重制版，艺术风格比较搞笑，像是什么国王之类的主题，我不太确定。

They did do a remake of it with kind of a comical arts, like, little bit of a comical theme of, like, I don't know, kings or something.

我不太清楚。

I don't know.

但看起来很蠢。

But it looks dumb.

所以我其实更想要《Biblios》的旧版。

So, like, I I kinda want the old version of Biblios.

不过这真是个很有趣的游戏。

Really fun game, though.

我玩得特别开心

I I had a great time with