第584期——如果你喜欢《奥德赛》，试试……

所以，就像，嘿。

So, like, hey.

我想，我想经营一个玫瑰园。

I wanna I wanna run a a rose garden.

他们就会说，那是德式游戏？

And they're like, that's a euro game?

我说，没错。

I'm like, damn straight.

这就是德式游戏。

It's a euro game.

我等不及要玩了。

I can't wait to play it.

所以，在《罗莎莉》这款游戏里，它即将推出，现在正在Kickstarter上众筹。

So, so in Rosalie, that's going to come out, and it's currently on Kickstarter right now.

如果你想支持它，众筹截止日期是2026年8月21日，星期五。

If you wanna back it, it backs on Friday, 08/21/2026.

目前 pledges 的金额已经接近一百万美元了。

It currently has close to about a million dollars pledged.

所以如果你打算支持的话，时间还是很充裕的。

So you have plenty of time if you do wanna back this.

里面有一些特别可爱的小风车，还有像是谷物和花朵之类的磨坊，真的超级萌。

It's got some of the cutest little windmills and mills of, like, I guess, grains and flowers as as it just it's it's adorable.

游戏的核心玩法是用机器人来帮忙杂交培育稀有玫瑰，随着你一点点建立起自己的花卉帝国，目标是成为史上最伟大的园艺大师，这设定简直太酷了。

The game itself is about using robots, which makes it even cooler to to help cross breed rare roses as you build up your little, I guess, more or less like flower empire and try to become, you know, the greatest horticulturist of all time.

而且，它的画风还是一如既往地特别可爱。

And again, it has that same really wonderfully cutesy artwork.

我特别喜欢这游戏的一点是，玩法挺有意思的：你可以先选角色，然后再挑一些能带入游戏的特殊能力。

What I really liked about this game, and what was really interesting for me here is you get to play you get to pick your player, and then you get to pick some special abilities that come into the game.

所以这些特殊能力会让你在游戏一开始就有点不对称的优势。

So your special abilities kinda give you a little bit of an asymmetric kind of start.

它们会在游戏过程中给你提供折扣或者各种好处。

They're gonna give you discounts or benefits throughout the game.

基本上就是种玫瑰、杂交不同品种、培育土壤、打理喷泉和风车、雇佣机器人，可能还要扩建或精简规模，甚至贷款。

And, basically, it's about planting roses, cross breeding some of the different, specialties, cultivating soil, dealing with fountains and windmills, and employing robots, but maybe building and expanding, but maybe keeping things short, maybe getting loans.

所以它包含了很多硬核游戏里那种经济引擎的元素。

So it's got a lot of that economic engine from a lot of the harder kind of games.

而且一如既往，画风非常可爱，还有漂亮的玫瑰园图片。

Once again, with very cute artwork and some beautiful pictures of rose gardens too on top of everything else.

再说一次，蒂姆，我还没有一款关于玫瑰园的游戏。

And, again, I don't have a game about rose gardens, Tim.

我不知道。

I don't know.

你有吗？

Do you?

我觉得我没有。

I don't think I do.

我有郁金香游戏，但没有玫瑰园游戏。

I have tulip games, but not rose garden games.

蒂姆，我需要一款带玫瑰花园的重度德式游戏。

And I need a heavy euro that has rose gardens, Tim.

我就这个意思。

That's all I'm saying.

你突然这么一问，我还真想不出来。

Put me on the spot, but I don't think I have any.

我能想到一些带花的游戏，但未必是玫瑰。

I can think of some games with flowers in them, but not necessarily roses.

我就是这个意思。

That's what I'm saying.

所以，这看起来是一款硬核、重度、烧脑的游戏。

So, this looks to be a hard, heavy, crunchy game.

据他们说，这款游戏在某些元素上比《甜蜜之地》还要重，但宽容度更高一些。

From what they're saying, it's actually heavier, as far as certain elements in comparison to Sweet Lands, but it's a little more forgiving.

所以，如果你喜欢《甜蜜之地》，但又想要一款同样重度烧脑、但更宽容的游戏，那《罗莎莉》可能适合你。

So, if you like Sweetlands, but you like a game that is just as heavy crunchy, but is a little more forgiving, Rosalie might be for you.

或者，如果你喜欢那种专注于打造玫瑰园和经营生意的游戏，那它可能也适合你。

Or if you like a game that is all about, you know, building up, rose gardens and a business as such, again, might be for you.

或者，如果你喜欢那种超级可爱的画风，能让你在长时间钻研经济引擎时依然保持动力。

Or if you like really adorable cute artwork that will keep you going despite the hours of crunching economic engines.

蒂姆，这款游戏可能适合你。

This game might be for you, Tim.

我就是这个意思。

This is what I'm saying.

蒂姆，这款游戏可能适合你。

This game might be for you, Tim.

这款游戏就是为你准备的。

This game's for you.

蒂姆，我就是这个意思。

This is what I'm saying, Tim.

我直接切入重点了。

I'm cutting to the point.

蒂姆，这游戏你买定了。

You're buying this game, Tim.

总会有人买的。

Someone's gonna buy it.

那个人就是你，蒂姆。

It's gonna be you, Tim.

不。

No.

买的人是我朋友科里。

It's gonna be my friend Corey.

科里。

Corey.

对。

Yes.

他来救场。

To the rescue.

因为对他来说，这是个入门的机会。

Because, and for him, it's an entry point.

我有点好奇，这游戏的成功有多少是因为大家只是想买《Sweetlands》？

And I kinda wonder some of the success of this, how much is it people simply trying to get their hands on Sweetlands.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yes.

而且，哥们，如果我要买《Sweetlands》，反正运费已经付了。

And, man, if I'm gonna buy Sweetlands, I'm already paying the shipping.

当然。

Sure.

是的。

Yes.

我宁愿赌一把，让这家公司同时再给我点好东西。

I'll take a gamble on this company to give me something else that's good at the same time.

对吧？

Right?

所以我觉得这现象挺有意思的，重印版是通过他们的下一款游戏来提供的。

So it's a really interesting phenomenon to me where the reprint is available through their next game.

是的。

Yes.

所以大家就觉得，不如买一送一。

And so people, well, might as well get two for one.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

我明白你的意思，朋友。

I I hear you, my friend.

我觉得这很大程度上就是现在的情况。

And I think that's a lot of what's going on here.

但我认为这正越来越成为Kickstarter上的常态。

But I think that's becoming more and more a standard Kickstarter situation.

蒂姆，我快速说一下，因为如果还没说服你的话，这期是音频播客，不是视频的。

Let me run through really quickly, Tim, because if I haven't sold you again, this is an audio podcast, not a visual one.

我们正在往那个方向走，但还需要几个Patreon赞助人才能做成视频播客。

We're we're getting there, but we need a couple more Patreon backers to get to a visual podcast.

所以如果你真想要图片和视频，我们可以聊聊。

So if you really want pictures and videos, we'll talk about it.

但现在，蒂姆，我想聊的是这些可爱的小模型。

But right now, what I wanna talk about here, Tim, is obviously the adorable, cute little miniatures.

如果你想支持这个游戏，标准档是88美元。

If you wanna back the game, the standard pledge is $88.

如果你想要带扩展包的，当然要选。

If you want it with the expansion, of course, you do.

为什么不呢？

Why wouldn't you?

那是127美元。

It's a $127.

如果你还想要游戏里有金属硬币，我也不知道为什么。

If you want the game to also have metal coins, because I don't know why.

现在每款游戏都得有金属硬币。

Every game needs to have metal coins now.

但是，蒂姆，蒂姆，这些游戏里有玫瑰花瓣，蒂姆。

But, Tim, Tim, these games have rose blossoms, Tim.

它们有玫瑰花瓣。

They have rose blossoms.

这不只是关于那些可爱的丝网印刷小模型。

It's not just about the cute screen printed miniatures.

也不只是关于硬币，还有玫瑰代币，看起来像各种颜色玫瑰的代币。

It's not about just about the coins, but there's rose tokens, tokens that look like roses of all different colors.

而且你可以得到那些。

And you could get that.

有156个玫瑰配件，蒂姆。

There's a 156 rose pieces, Tim.

蒂姆。

Tim.

也许我老婆生病了。

Maybe my wife sick.

明年情人节，我给我老婆买花。

Neck my wife, next Valentine's Day, I'll buy her flowers.

她给我买了这个桌游。

She buys me this board

交易。

game deal.

这就对了。

There you go.

科里，别这样。

Corey, come on.

科里，你也得把玫瑰也弄到手啊。

You gotta you gotta get the roses too, Corey.

别半途而废，科里。

Don't don't stop short, Corey.

做正确的事，科里。

Be do the right thing, Corey.

我就说这么多。

That's all I'm saying.

做正确的事。

Do the right thing.

我再也不听这个播客了。

Never gonna listen to this podcast again.

别这样嘛。

Come on.

对不起，科里。

I'm sorry, Corey.

但你必须坚持到底。

But you gotta you gotta go all the way here.

对。

Yeah.

我有点，怎么说呢。

I get like, I don't know.

这又是一款那种游戏，如果你想打动我，就得狠狠打动我。

It it's it's it's again, it's one of those games where if you wanna hit me, you wanna hit me hard.

你想用一款既沉重又可爱的游戏打动我，而这款游戏两者都做到了。

You wanna hit me a game that's heavy and adorable, and this game does both.

所以，没错，就是这款游戏，蒂姆。

So, yeah, that's a game, Tim.

我要提醒你，而且我要直接提醒科里。

I will warn you, and I will warn Corey directly.

别忘了，这里还有运费的问题。

Don't forget shipping is there's the shipping here.

所以，科里，既然你选了完全版支持，你得付30.31美元的运费，因为就是这么回事。

So, Corey, since you're backing the complete pledge, you're gonna pay $30.31 delivery because that's a thing.

别担心。

Don't worry.

美国这边运费是32.06美元。

US is paying $32.06 delivery.

所以，就是这么回事。

So, yeah, that's a thing.

现在咱们这边真够倒霉的。

Sucks to be us these days.

我就说这么多。

That's all I'm saying.

其他人都付得更少，蒂姆。

Everyone else is paying less, Tim.

少得多。

Much less.

少很多。

A lot less.

做科里的朋友真好。

It's it's good to be Corey's friend.

是的。

Yes.

科里，科里真是个人物。

Corey Corey's Corey's the man.

谢谢你，科里。

I appreciate that, Corey.

所以我很快就过去，科里。

So I will be over really soon, Corey.

你得把玫瑰准备好，不然我就不去了。

Make sure you get with the roses or I'm not coming over.

我现在就这么说。

I'm just saying right now.

明白吗？

Okay?

你心是好的，但我必须得有玫瑰。

You mean well, but I gotta have the roses.

我就是说说而已。

I'm just saying.

去加拿大的机票可不便宜。

Ticket tickets to Canada are expensive.

你明白吧？

So you know?

比这场比赛便宜，克里斯。

Cheaper than this game, Chris.

拜托。

Come on.

确实比这场比赛便宜。

They are cheaper than this game.

不过蒂姆，现在这年头，我也不好说了。

Although I don't know, Tim, these days.

我们得看看油价现在是多少。

We have to see where the gas prices are.

好的。

Alright.

好了，各位，有个叫罗莎莉的游戏，科里会用玫瑰来买，然后我们一起去科里家玩这个游戏。

Well, everyone, there's Rosalie, a game that Corey's gonna get with the roses, and then we're all gonna go to Corey's house and play the game.

所以，现在马上连线科里。

So, back back to back Corey right now.

我们得搞点好玩的，蒂姆。

We'll have to start a fun, Tim.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

想不想在播客里搞个科里专场？

Want to start a a Corey fun on the podcast?

没错。

That's right.

好的。

Alright.

好的。

Alright.

那么，这就引出了我们的‘掷骰评测’环节。

Well, that leads us on to our Roll for Review.

蒂姆，这周你玩了些游戏。

Tim, you played games this week.

跟我们说说吧。

Tell us about them.

是的。

I did.

做那个

Do the

给这些游戏打分，让大家对自己的人生选择感到满意或不满的事情。

thing where you rate those games and make people feel good or bad about their choices in life.

好的。

Okay.

嗯，我打算先讲

Well, I'm gonna do

两个短的游戏，这是我的计划。

two quick ones is my plan.

就是那种比较轻松、玩起来快的类型。

Two sort of lighter, quicker to play type games.

我先从一个叫《哦，我的鸽子》的游戏开始。

And I'll start with one called Oh, My Pigeons.

这个游戏是2024年出的，第一个线索就是，在Board Game Geek上根本找不到设计师的名字。

It came out in 2024 and the first clue onto how this game is going to go is there is no designer listed on board Game Geek.

对。

Yeah.

说实话，这对我来说算是个警示信号。

That's kind of a red flag for me, to be honest.

我之前查资料的时候才发现，这游戏是兔子汉堡出的，连设计师都没写。

I didn't know that till I tried to find it for the this, but yeah, it's put out by Rabbits Burger with no designer.

游戏支持2到5人，一局大概15分钟，我觉得这个时间还挺准的。

It's two to five players and presses to play in about fifteen minutes, which I think is fairly accurate.

画面倒是挺好看的。

It is pretty.

游戏的主题是你扮演长椅，想办法吸引鸽子落在你的椅子上。

So the theme of the game is you're playing benches and trying to attract pigeons to come land on your bench.

那怎么吸引鸽子呢？

And how will you do that?

你手里有一堆牌，打出一张牌，按牌上的指示做就行。

Well you have a hand of cards and you play a card and do what the card says.

比如，从每个对手那里偷一只鸽子，或者每个对手失去一只鸽子回到鸽群——这听起来跟第一张牌差不多——或者鸽子最多的玩家失去两只，或者获得三只鸽子，或者掷骰子获得一些鸽子，或者偷一些鸽子，如果骰子掷到便便那面，就把它弹向对手的长椅，把他们的鸽子撞下去。

So for example steal one pigeon from each opponent or each opponent loses one back to the flock, which sounds kind of a lot like the first card, but or the player with the most pigeons loses two or gain three pigeons or roll a dice and gain some pigeons or steal some pigeons or if it comes up on a poop side flick it at your opponent's bench to knock their pigeons off their bench.

我猜你大概就是想着，我要做个关于鸽子的游戏，让鸽子到处乱跑就行了。

I don't know if you basically thought of I'm gonna have a game of a pigeons and I just want pigeons to move around.

我觉得这个游戏的设计其实很快就能搞定，因为所有卡牌的效果无非就是“从每个人那里拿一个”或者“从这个人那里拿两个”，游戏里全是这种卡。

You could probably design this game in my opinion in a very short amount of time because all the things that are just like take one from everybody or take two from this person are exactly what cards are in this game.

我感觉这个设计有点敷衍，除了骰子的不同面之外，基本上没什么独特的决策点。

Like I feel it was a phoned in design where other than the sides of the dice there wasn't really a lot of unique decisions to be made.

这个游戏里有一条规则：如果你找到两张都带心形标记的卡，可以同时打出它们。

In this fence, there's one rule where if you find two cards with both have hearts on them, you can play them both at the same time.

在我看来，这已经是游戏机制里最独特的地方了，而我真的不喜欢这个游戏。

That's as unique as it gets as far as I'm concerned for a mechanic and I did not enjoy this game.

让我彻底失望的是，游戏里有一张卡写着“把你的长椅顺时针传给下一个人”。

They lost me when at one point in the game a card said well pass your benches clockwise.

这样一来，就算之前有什么策略去吸引鸽子或失去鸽子，我也只能放弃自己的长椅，接手旁边人的，我觉得这纯粹是随机混乱。

So now even if there was some strategy in terms of getting pigeons losing pigeons I just can't wave my entire bench and inherited the persons next to me and I thought this is just random chaos.

天哪。

Oh my.

克里斯，说到桌游，“随机混乱”可不是我最喜欢的词。

Random chaos is not my favorite phrase when it comes to board games Chris.

说实话吧。

I gotta be honest.

我需要一定的策略感，觉得自己的决定能影响结果，才能享受游戏。

Need some level of strategy a feeling that my decisions matter for me to enjoy a game.

不过话说回来，我本来就不是这款游戏的目标受众。

That being said, I am not the target audience for this game.

有人看到我们在玩，就评论说，哦，某某肯定会喜欢这个游戏。

People saw us playing and somebody commented, oh so and so would like this game.

我们应该买下来。

We should get it.

我觉得每个人适合的游戏都不一样。

I thought a different game for every person.

对我来说，这款游戏就是个坑。

For me, this is a Dodge.

除了那些可爱的小鸽子棋子——还是塑料的不是木头的——它没什么特别之处。

This is not unique other than its cute little pigeon meeples, which are plastic not wood.

但这游戏玩起来很快，规则也简单，我觉得可能适合那些不常玩游戏的人，或者只是想换个主题在桌上互相整蛊一下的人。所以我不至于把它贬得一文不值，确实有人可能会喜欢它，但对我来说，这游戏我坚决不碰，而且再也不想玩第二次了。

But it plays quick it's easy to understand think maybe for non gamers or for people who just want to do a bit of take that around a table with a different sort of theme it could work so I'm not burning it I think there are some people who may like it, but for me, it was a hard dodge, and I have no desire to play this game ever again.

哇。

Wow.

好吧。

Okay.

有些游戏就是图个乐子嘛，蒂姆。

That's some games are just game experiences, Tim.

我就是这么看某些游戏的。

That's how I look at some some games.

对。

Mhmm.

说到这儿，我本来想用个关于鸽子屎的俏皮话来收尾，但我觉得还是直接跳过吧。

So, something about pigeon poop comes to mind as a witty sort of ending to that, but I think we'll just move on.

跳过吧，蒂姆。

Move on, Tim.

继续吧。

Keep it going.

好的。

Okay.

另一款我更喜欢得多的游戏叫《Dizzle》。

The other game that I liked significantly better was a game called Dizzle.

《Dizzle》已经推出好几年了。

So Dizzle is a few years old now.

我记得它大概是2019年出的，没查资料的话这是我的最佳猜测，设计师是拉尔夫·齐林达，由施密特·斯皮拉和斯特朗霍尔德游戏公司出版，支持1到4人玩，大约20分钟一局。

It came out I believe in 2019 is my best guess without looking it up and designer is Ralf Zirlinda put about put out by Schmidt Spiela and Stronghold Games and it plays one to four players in about twenty minutes.

所以又是小盒游戏。

So again, small box game.

这是个掷笔游戏，我知道克里斯不喜欢这种类型，但我最喜欢干的事就是挑一些我知道克里斯完全没兴趣的游戏，然后说服他试试看。

It's a roll and write, which I know is a turn off for Chris, but, that's my favorite thing to do is pick games that I know Chris would have no interest in and trying to convince him that he needs to try these games.

切。

Boo.

切。

Boo.

这个游戏里没有猫，但就是掷骰子。

There's no cats in this one, but it is rolling right.

也没有拼块。

And no polyominoes.

不过在《Dizzle》里，核心机制是有不同等级的纸牌。

But so in Dizzle, the the core mechanic is there are sheets of different levels.

基础盒子里有1到4级，如果你特别喜欢这个游戏，还有个扩展包，给你新的玩家纸牌，大概是5到9级，或者5到8级。

So in the base box there are levels one through four and if you really like the game there is an expansion that gives you new player sheets that are levels five through nine I believe or five through eight.

游戏的复杂度会逐渐增加。

And the game gradually grows in complexity.

核心机制是，根据玩家人数掷相应数量的骰子。

So the core mechanic is you roll a number of dice according to the number of players.

比如两个人玩是7个骰子，但三个人玩就是10个骰子，以此类推。

So like two players is seven dice, but with three players you 10 dice, etc.

然后你按数字把它们分类。

And then you sort them by numbers.

一点、两点、三点、四点、五点、六点。

Ones, twos, threes, four, five, six.

就是标准的六面骰子。

They're standard d6s.

然后轮到你的时候，从剩下的骰子里选一个。

Then you draft the a dice when it's your turn from the pool of remaining dice.

关键在于，你面前的那张关卡或等级图纸上有特定的骰子布局，你每回合先放一个骰子，之后放的每个骰子都必须和本回合已经放过的骰子相邻。

The trick being that the match or the level in front of you has a specific layout of dice and you play your first dice in a turn and then any dice you play subsequent have to touch a dice that you've played this turn.

所以你就被限制了，比如，在我当前骰子旁边，我只能放两点和六点。

So you are limited in like okay next to my current dice I only have the ability to play twos and sixes.

如果我有两点或六点，就放上去，然后下一回合，我旁边就变成了四点、五点或六点。

So I have a two or six I add it next to and then on my next turn well now I'm adjacent to four five or six.

如果那里没有骰子怎么办？

What happens if there's no dice there?

那我可以赌一把，拿起剩下的骰子重新掷，希望掷出我需要的点数。

Well, I can push my luck and pick up the remaining dice and roll them and I hope I get something I need.

但如果我没掷出需要的点数，就得把之前拿的一个骰子放回池子里，让其他玩家有机会拿。

But if I fail to get something I need, I actually have to put back one of the dice I've previously taken back into the pool and make it available to other players.

所以这种赌运气的机制很有意义，因为一轮结束时你拥有的骰子越多，就能在纸上划掉更多格子。要是你赌输了，让对手拿到更多骰子，比如他们一轮拿了五个，你只拿到两个。

So that pusher luck feels meaningful because the more dice you have by the end of the round, the more spaces you're gonna get to x out on your sheet and if you fall too far behind by pushing your luck and letting your opponent get more dice and then they get you know five dice in a round and you only get two.

那你在完成或填满自己那张纸的进度上就远远落后了。

Well, you're way behind now in the game in terms of completing your sheet or filling your sheet.

这就是核心机制。

So that's the core mechanic.

在你已经放过的骰子旁边放一个新骰子。

Play a dice adjacent to a dice you've already played.

一轮结束后，把骰子拿走，在那些位置画上叉，然后下一轮从叉旁边开始，继续在起始位置旁边放骰子。

At the end of the round take off the dice and put x's over those spots instead and then future rounds start adjacent to an x and then continue to play dice adjacent to where you started the round.

如果你被逼到角落，实在没地方放骰子了，就可以跳到其他叉旁边，从那里开始新的一串骰子。

If you ever get boxed into a corner where there's physically no more space to play then you get to jump and go next to your X's somewhere else and start a new chain of dice from there.

所以很多都是关于相邻位置的，掷骰子的结果也确实有点运气成分。

So a lot about adjacency, definitely some luck in how the dice rolling goes.

让这个游戏真正有趣、并且随着关卡升级而越来越刺激的，是你棋盘上那些需要到达的符号。

What makes the game actually fun and what escalates through the levels is the symbols you're trying to reach on your board.

比如说，可能会有炸弹。

So for example, there may be bombs.

第一个到达炸弹的玩家会引爆它，爆炸会影响到所有人的棋盘。

First player to get to a bomb sets it off that explodes on everybody's boards.

其他人就再也拿不到那个炸弹了，而且还会扣分。

They can no longer get that bomb it costs them points.

有些宝石，如果你把它们盖住，在游戏结束时可能会值一定的分数。

There are gemstones that if you cover up gemstones they may be worth a certain number of points at the end of the game.

某些行或列，如果你填满了，也可能得分。

Certain rows or columns if you fill them may be worth points.

在一些高级关卡里，你还可以收集拼图碎片。

On some of the advanced levels you can collect puzzle pieces.

比如我可能需要三个蓝色拼图块。

So maybe I need three blue puzzle pieces.

如果我在游戏结束前集齐它们，就能获得一定分数。

If I collect all of those by the end of the game I get a number of points.

还有先到先得的旗帜，越早去拿分数越高，但奖励会递减。

There's a first come first serve flags with diminishing returns in terms of get more points if you go there soon.

在更高级的关卡里，棋盘会分成不同区域，你得先在一个区域开始，如果想跳到另一个区域，就得先覆盖一个火箭船，这样就能降落到下一个区域，然后从那里开始掷骰子移动。

And on some of the more advanced levels there's things like separate areas of board you have to start in one area and if you want to jump the other you have to cover a rocket ship which then lets you plant land on the next area and start moving out dice from there.

所以游戏会越来越复杂，第一关只是入门。

So it gets more complex like level one was pretty introductory.

第一关还行，但说实话，如果让我再玩这个游戏，我真的不想再玩第一关了。

It was okay but honestly if I'm going to go back and play this game I really don't ever want to play level one again.

第二关开始变得更有意思。

Level two starts to get more interesting.

第三关就更有趣了。

Level three is even more interesting.

第四关挺有意思的。

Level four is interesting.

所以越复杂，我就越感兴趣。

So the more complex it got, the more interested I was.

不过它让我能和我九岁的儿子一起玩，每关只引入一个新规则。

But it let me play with my nine year old son where it introduced one new rule, say, per level.

所以难度递增得很平缓。

So it was a very easy escalation.

我们在度假回来的路上玩的，那趟航班大概一个半小时，我们就在这一个半小时里把四个关卡全打通了。

We played it on the way back from vacation where there was a flight involved that was about an hour and a half and we played through all four levels in that hour and a half.

他特别喜欢。

He really liked it.

我也特别喜欢。

I really liked it.

他真的很喜欢。

He liked it.

我们父子俩在飞机上那点小空间里玩这个游戏，玩得很开心。

We had a good time as father and son in a small amount of space on an airplane playing this game.

最后他说，他愿意再玩一次。

He said at the end I'd be happy to play that again.

我说我也是，不过下次直接从第二关开始，别从入门关来了。

I said so would I let's just start at level two instead of the intro.

他说，好的，爸爸。

He said sure dad.

而且到了这个份上，如果我看到扩展包，我可能都会买下来，就因为我知道他喜欢。

And it's the point where if I saw the expansion I might even pick it up just because I know he likes it.

我很好奇他们还会在游戏板上加些什么新花样，让规则变得更复杂一点。

I'm curious to see what else they add on to the mats that would wrinkle those rules a bit.

所以对我来说，Dizzle 是个可以玩一玩的游戏。

And so for me, Dizzle is a play.

我不觉得我会急着推荐这个游戏，让所有人都必须把它加入收藏，但确实是一次不错的体验。如果你在桌上看到它，玩上几局，试试几个关卡，肯定能玩得开心。

I don't know that I'm in a rush to recommend this game, tell everybody they have to add it to their collection, but it was definitely a good experience that if you see it at the table, you could play a few rounds of this, try a few levels and have a good time.

我觉得这个游戏很快就会让人腻了。

I think it's going to wear it's welcome fairly quickly.

我觉得它的重玩价值不高，因为最特别的是每关发现的新机制，而不是别的。

I don't think it has a high replay value in the sense of it's discovering those new mechanics each level that we played that I found most unique and so on.

我更想试试第五、六、七、八关，而不是重复玩已经玩过的关卡。

I'd be more interested in trying levels five six seven eight than I am in playing the levels I've already played.

但我觉得骰子带来的随机性也够多了。

But I think at the same time the dice add enough randomness.

你在每一关都有选择往哪个方向走的自由。

You have choices which direction you're moving on any given level.

不是只有一条固定的路。

You're not set into one path.

没有必须遵循的线性路径。

There's linear path that you have to follow.

你面临的是二维的选择。

It's a two dimensional sort of choices that you have.

所以，来自Stronghold的Dizzle和Schmitzbiela得到了一个机会。

So, Dizzle from, Stronghold and Schmitzbiela gets a play.

嗯，蒂姆，这两款小游戏差别很大。

Well, very two very different small time games there, Tim.

对。

Yeah.

一个值得你花时间，另一个就不太值得了。

One worth your while, one not so much.

不太值得。

Not so much.

好吧。

Alright.

接下来呢？

What happens?

一个实际上是个正经游戏，另一个不知怎么搞的，就像个混乱的拉屎鸟体验。

One that actually one actually is a game and one is a chaotic poop bird kind of experience for some reason.

讽刺的是，那个叫Drizzle的反而更好。

And ironically, the drizzle one is the one that's better.

谁想到的？

Who who saw that?

我的Dizzle？

My Dizzle?

我跟你说。

I tell you.

好吧。

Alright.

在Tim继续那个思路之前，我来聊一款全新的游戏。

Well, I'm gonna talk about a brand new game before Tim goes on with that chain of thought any longer.

《展翅翱翔：口袋版》。

Wingspan Pocket.

这是Stonemire Games出品的新游戏，由才华横溢的设计师Elizabeth Hardgrave创作。

This is a brand new game from Stonemire Games from the amazing designer Elizabeth Hardgrave.

又一次，众多优秀的艺术家们齐聚一堂，共同创作了这些精美的鸟类卡牌。

Once again, a wonderful number of artists have come together to create these amazing bird cards.

蒂姆，我觉得关于《展翅翱翔》不用多说了吧，它显然已经是现代经典，人人都知道。

I don't know if I have to say too much about Wingspan, Tim, because it seems like Wingspan is clearly a modern day classic that everyone knows.

我们之前聊过很多次了。

We've talked about it a lot.

如果你还没玩过《展翅翱翔》，那恭喜你，这可能是你第一次听桌游播客。

If you have not played Wingspan, congratulations to your listening to the first episode of a board game podcast ever.

不过简单介绍一下重点：《展翅翱翔》就是把这些鸟类卡牌放到特定的栖息地里。

But, just to give you the highlights of it, Wingspan is about playing, these bird cards into a particular habitat.

这些鸟类卡牌本身就是鸟，游戏在主题上融入了鸟类在自然界中的一些真实习性。

And the bird cards being birds as they are, the game thematically incorporates some of the elements that the birds themselves really do with nature in some cases.

其中一些元素会体现在游戏中，比如在特定鸟巢里下蛋、吃特定类型的食物、只去某些栖息地，甚至有些鸟会去多个栖息地。

And some of those elements come into play, like, placing eggs in certain birds nests, eating certain types of foods, going only to certain habitats, or even some cases going to multiple habitats.

这算是一个规模挺大的卡牌引擎构筑加行动选择的游戏。

And it's a pretty big tableau builder, action selection situation.

基本上，你就是在获取食物、收集鸟蛋、拿卡牌，然后打出小鸟。

And, basically, you're getting food, you're getting eggs, you're getting cards, and you're playing birds out.

最后，根据各种不同情况，谁的总分最高，谁就赢了。

And whoever has the most points based on a number of different situations, wins the game.

我最近有机会玩了《展翅翱翔》，而这个是《展翅翱翔：口袋版》，一款非常小巧的盒装游戏，出自同一位设计师和同一家出版社，游戏时长大约二十五到三十分钟。

I got a chance to play Wingspan recently, and now this is Wingspan Pocket, which is a very small small box game from the same designer, same publisher that plays in about twenty five to thirty minutes.

而且，它和《展翅翱翔》本身非常相似。

And once again, it's a very similar game to Wingspan itself.

但和大型版《展翅翱翔》不同的是，这个版本更短、更轻、更快。

But unlike wings, the big wingspan, this is shorter, lighter, quicker.

基本上，你不是把鸟放到各种不同的栖息地里，而是把最多六只鸟排成一排，没有特定的栖息地。

And basically, instead of building birds to all different types of habitats, you are building up to six birds in a row and not in any specific habitat.

这里不涉及栖息地的概念。

Habitats don't come into play here.

但基本上，你有一张起始卡牌，那是一个鸟巢，可以让你执行《展翅翱翔》本身三个主要动作中的一个。

But basically, you have a starting card, which is a nest, which allows you to do one of the three main actions from Wingspan itself.

同样，你可以选择一只鸟。

Again, you can select a bird.

你可以选择两张卡牌。

You can select two cards.

在这个版本里，食物是印在鸟卡背面的。

Now, in this case, food is represented on the backside of the bird card.

如果你还记得，我和蒂姆不久前聊过《点沙拉》，那款游戏里卡牌一面是蔬菜，另一面是计分。

So if you remember, Tim and I talked about point salad not too long ago, how the cards have the vegetables on one side and the scoring on the other side.

这些卡牌会组成四叠牌堆，面朝下的四叠牌堆上展示的是鸟类的食物。

These cards, which are gonna make up, four, four decks, The four decks that are face down are gonna show the the food for the birds.

市场上会有四张面朝上的卡牌。

You're gonna have four cards in a marketplace that are gonna be face up.

那些就是你可以选择的鸟。

Those are the birds that you're gonna be able to select.

所以如果你选鸟，只能从四张面朝上且可选的鸟卡中选一张。

So if you choose a bird, it's gonna be only one of the four bird cards that are are face up and selectable.

如果你

If you

选择，或者，你也可以选两张牌。

choose or, again, you could choose two cards.

抱歉。

I'm sorry.

让我先退一步说清楚。

Let me let me take that step back here.

所以你可以打出一只鸟，放进你的个人展示区，或者你可以选两张牌，可以是食物牌，也可以是鸟牌。

So you're gonna be able to play, a bird, one bird into your your, I guess, your single tableau, or you could choose two cards, which could be food cards and or bird cards.

你不能把食物翻过来变成鸟牌。

So you can't take the food and flip it over and become a bird card.

所以要么是食物，要么是鸟，基本上就是拿到手里。

So it's either food and or birds that that go in, you know, come into, your hand pretty much.

然后你可以放置最多三颗蛋，或者选择放置最多三颗蛋。

And then you can lay up to three or you could choose to lay up to three eggs.

所以，要么打出一只鸟，要么抽两张牌，要么在你的鸟上放三个蛋，因为你仍然需要蛋才能把牌打到你的展示区里。

So build a bird, draw two cards or place three eggs onto your birds because you will still need eggs to be able to play cards out to your tableau.

你仍然需要食物才能把那些鸟放到你的展示区里，而且你所有的鸟都会有特殊能力，比如棕色能力和绿色能力，这些能力会生效。

You will still need food to play those birds out to your tableau, and you all of your birds will still have special abilities, brown abilities, green abilities that come into play.

这些能力和你们以前在《展翅翱翔》里玩的能力不一样。

The powers are different than the powers that you had traditionally played in Wingspan.

它们更精简一些。

They're a little more streamlined.

也更简单一些。

They're a little more simple.

玩起来更容易上手。

They're a little more easy to kind of like play.

比如说，你可能有一张牌，让所有昆虫都能当作任意食物。

So like, for example, you could have a card that like all insects can be any food.

这样一来，要打出那些通常需要三到四条鱼的大鸟就容易多了。

So now it's a lot easier to build the bigger birds that usually take like three or four fish, for example.

而且鱼本来就不太好找，想攒够数量也不容易。

And fish were kinda hard to come by and get a lot of those.

嗯，很多卡牌都有特殊能力，有的是持续生效的，有的会给其他人提供食物或卡牌。

Well, a lot of the cards have special abilities that are ongoing special abilities or are gonna give food to everybody else or gonna give cards to everybody else.

所以这个游戏玩起来非常快，非常简单，比《展翅翱翔》精简多了。

So this is super quick, super easy to play, super streamlined from Wingspan.

如果你玩过《展翅翱翔》，那这个就特别容易上手。

So if you played Wingspan, this is kind of, like, super easy.

如果你从来没玩过《展翅翱翔》，那这个游戏是很好的入门选择，而且很容易理解。我觉得《展翅翱翔》对想接触桌游的普通大众来说确实有点挑战性。

If you've never played Wingspan before, this is a wonderful introduction to Wingspan, and it's completely understandable in a way that I think Wingspan really does challenge a general public kind of audience who are trying to get into tabletop games.

因为对我来说，《展翅翱翔》不算入门级游戏。

Because for me, Wingspan isn't a gateway game.

它更像是进阶一步的那种。

It's more of like a one step further.

对吧？

Right?

你得先了解一些现代桌游的基本概念，才能真正玩懂《展翅翱翔》。

You have to understand certain basic principles about, you know, modern designer tabletop games to fully appreciate and understand Wingspan.

而这款游戏，你完全可以把它当作入门游戏来玩。

This is something that you could actually play as a gateway game.

轮到你的时候，要么建一只鸟，要么拿牌，要么拿蛋，就这么简单。

On your turn, you build a bird or you take cards or you take eggs, and that's it.

你的回合就结束了。

That was your turn.

就做这一件事。

You do that one thing.

每个人轮流操作。

Everyone takes their turn.

然后回合结束。

They're done.

所有牌都是正面朝上的，所以你能看到别人怎么布局，他们的牌面和特殊能力是什么。

All the cards are face up, so you get to see how people are building and what their tableaus and special abilities are.

所以它不像《展翅翱翔》那样，有人桌上摊着12张牌，还都是倒扣着的，根本看不清。

So it's not like Wingspan where somebody has 12 cards out on their board and they're upside down and it's really hard to read.

这个游戏非常直接明了。

This is very straightforward.

所以，如果你是《展翅翱翔》的粉丝，那这款游戏你肯定会入手。

So, if you're a fan of Wingspan, this is definitely something you're gonna pick up.

如果你不是《展翅翱翔》的粉丝，但一直对它感兴趣，那我可能会推荐你先玩这个，因为它上手特别快。

If you're not a fan of Wingspan, but you've always thought about Wingspan, this is probably what I would recommend as the first game in because it's super quick.

不过我得说一句。

Now I will say one thing.

如果你真的很喜欢《展翅翱翔》，而且觉得，嘿，

If you do love Wingspan and you're like, hey.

我就是爱那款游戏复杂的玩法，那这款游戏可能满足不了你。

I love that game because of the wonderful complexity of it, you're not gonna find that here.

你会失望的。

You will be disappointed.

所以如果你跑去买这个游戏，可得小心了，因为如果你是个硬核玩家，或者是个超级《展翅翱翔》粉丝，把所有扩展包都玩遍了，那你可能会想，这什么玩意儿？

So be very careful if you run and pick this up because you're, you know, like a hardcore gamer or you're like the super Wingspan fan where you play with all the expansions, and you're just like, what the heck is this?

这是个非常轻度的游戏。

This is a very light game.

它在BGG上的重度评分只有2.0，本质上就是一款入门级或者超快的填充游戏。

It's a two point o on BGG as far as weight's concerned, and it's really meant as, like, kind of an introductory or a very fast filler game.

我会给《展翅翱翔：口袋版》一个推荐购买。

I'm gonna give Wingspan Pocket a buy.

但再说一遍，请记住，这只是《展翅翱翔》的轻量版，玩之前一定要清楚这一点。

But, again, please keep in mind, it's a very light version of Wingspan, and you should be very aware of that coming into the game.

我觉得它跟《点沙拉》差不多属于同一类游戏，蒂姆。

It kind of fits in the same line, I would say, Tim, as point salad.

那我们就叫它‘鸟沙拉’吧。

So we'll call this bird salad.

鸟沙拉。

Bird salad.

没错。

There you go.

我挺感兴趣的，因为我们确实买过《展翅翱翔》，本意是送给一位对主题感兴趣的家人。

I'm I'm intrigued because, we did buy Wingspan with good intentions for a family member who expressed some interest in the game based on its theme.

是的。

Yes.

但当我们试着教他们玩的时候——我教过很多桌游。

But they when we tried to teach it, I mean, I've taught a lot of board games.

可能我教得不够完美，但我觉得我已经讲得挺用心了。

Maybe I didn't teach it perfectly, but, like, I think it had a reasonable love.

可那家人就是理解不了，根本玩不起来。

I could not get comprehension from the the family group when we tried to play it.

而我觉得，同样的主题、同样的感觉，如果规则简单得多，在我教《展翅翱翔》的那个场合里，效果会好很多。

Whereas I could see same theme, same some of that feeling with a much easier how to play going a long way in the setting where I tried to teach Wingspan.

确实。

Sure.

所以就像你说的，我觉得这是理解这款游戏的最佳方式。

And so like you say, I think that's the perfect way to understand this game.

然后我在想，如果他们掌握了这款游戏的基本概念，我是不是就能更容易地教他们玩《展翅翱翔》了，因为他们已经理解了这些基础。

And then I wonder if they got the basic concepts in this game, whether I could then teach them Wingspan more easily because they understood this.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得应该是这样。

I would I would think so.

我觉得《展翅翱翔》后来出的一些更现代的版本，包括配套的教学套装，

I think some of the more modern productions that the publishing that have come out for Wingspan have now come out with a training training set with it.

但我发现那个教学套装反而更难让新手玩家入门，因为里面每个板块都要求你按照特定的路径去学习某个机制。

I have found that the training set is even more difficult to kind of get new gamers in because each of the boards in that training kind of set wants you to follow a particular pathway to learn how to do a certain, mechanic.

比如，有的板块是教你怎么把牌藏起来之类的。

So, like, one is, like, tucking cards or such and things like that.

这样一来，你实际上是在教他们游戏只能这么玩，然后你又告诉他们，其实还有别的玩法。

So now you're really teaching them that's how the game is played, and then you say to them, but there's other ways to play the game.

然后他们就会掀桌子，你肯定不想待在那儿。

And then they're like, they flip the table, and you don't wanna be there.

所以我觉得这是一个很好的入门教学级别，因为它只有一条构建牌组的路线，你不需要处理那些领地，你知道的，就是那些栖息地。

So I think this is a very good introductory teaching level because it's just that one lane of building that tableau, and you don't have to deal with the territories that they're that you know, the habitats that they go into.

而且特殊能力也很直接明了。

And the special abilities are pretty straightforward.

比如，你不需要去想，这只鸟吃那些翼展35厘米的鸟之类的。

Like, you don't have to go, well, this bird eats birds that have a wingspan of 35 centimeters or something.

你会想，什么？

You're like, what?

这到底是怎么运作的？

Like, how does that do a thing?

我该把牌放哪儿？

Like, where do I put the card?

或者不是这样。

Or no.

不是。

No.

就是这样，蒂姆。

This is it, Tim.

我觉得这肯定能重新吸引人们回到那个游戏里。

I think this certainly will reengage people back into that.

因为，再说一次，我觉得公开场合确实有至少一点那种反对的声音。

Because, again, I think publicly, there has been that at least a little bit of that pushback.

这个游戏太火了，以至于人们以为非玩家也会直接上手玩。

This game was so very big that people assumed that nongamers would just pick it up.

而《展翅翱翔》这个游戏本身，其实是个隐藏的硬核游戏。

And Wingspan, the game itself, is deceptively a crunchy game.

就是说，那游戏里确实有些复杂的地方。

Like, there's some crunch in that game.

而且，如果你没抽到某些牌，游戏里是有办法打破平衡的。

And again, if you have not pulled certain cards of that game, there's ways to break the game.

比如，原版《展翅翱翔》里就有一些牌，有人能凑出两张牌的组合，然后得个一百分。

Like, there's just cards in that original Wingspan where someone can get a two card combo and score, like, a 100 points.

对吧？

Right?

因为他们就是不停地塞牌。

Because they're just tucking cards.

拿两张牌。

Take two cards.

塞两张牌。

Tuck two cards.

拿两张牌。

Take two cards.

塞两张牌。

Tuck two cards.

你就会觉得，这还挺有意思的。

You're like, That was fun.

对我来说，那些大型牌组游戏总是有个问题，就是有些策略能让人直接甩开对手。

That's always an issue for me in those big deck games that, there can be strategies to just run away.

从某种程度上说，当你自己成为那个甩开别人的人时，感觉确实挺爽的，但从平衡性角度来看，这确实是个问题。

And in some ways, it feels fun when you're the one who gets to run away with them, but as a balance issue is a problem.

不过我会回到你教《展翅翱翔》那个话题上，因为我觉得尝试教一款游戏，一边说‘你这样做，但别看我这一轮，因为我要做点不一样的’，这真的很有意思。

But I will come back to your teaching on the Wingspan thing because I find it very fascinating to try and teach a game where okay you do this but don't watch my turn because I'm gonna be doing something different.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yes.

这对一个想学游戏的人来说太别扭了，他们想看看你轮到你时怎么做，才能理解自己为什么要那样做。

That is so jarring for somebody trying to learn a game where they want to see what you do on your turn to understand why I might do.

所以当我塞牌的时候，我得解释：‘为什么我不想塞牌呢？’

And so to narrate while I'm tucking a card, well, why don't I want to tuck a card?

嗯，因为你没在玩那个策略，明白吗？

Well, you're not playing that strategy, you know?

对。

Yeah.

我同意。

I agree.

我不确定这样教这个游戏是不是个好办法。

I I'm not sure that's a win in terms of how to teach that game.

不过，作为玩过《展翅翱翔》的人，我想知道这个游戏里的连击效果还爽吗？

I do want to know though as somebody who has played Wingspan, is the comboing in this game still satisfying?

比如，我是不是只在游戏结束时跑一次连击？还是说，这张牌给我的触发机制，能帮我多出牌，或者它本身就是这样？

Like, do I just run my combo once at the end of the game or how how does the triggering work in terms of this card that specifically gives me the that helps me to play more cards or or is it?

不，它其实是故意为你设计的。

No, it's it's purposely meant for you.

它故意让你慢下来一点，这样你大概要建六张牌，而且每张牌很多时候都是持续能力。

It's purposely meant to slow you down a little bit so that, like, you are building six cards and that each of the cards more times than not are ongoing abilities.

所以它不像《展翅翱翔》那样，你拿到某张牌，发现这张牌能给你两个食物，然后就有那种特别强大、特别爽的时刻。

So it is not like Wingspan, where you have that very powerful, wonderful moment where you get a certain card and you recognize that this card gives me two food.

这张牌让我可以用食物换鸟牌。

This card allows me to trade food in to for bird cards.

这张鸟牌让我能多打一只鸟，并且满足那只鸟的所有食物条件。

This bird card lets me play an additional bird and meets all the food conditions of that bird.

这里可没有那种连击效果。

Like, you don't get those combos here.

这张牌就是给你一个通用的好处，差不多这样。

This is very much this card benefits you generically like this.

这张牌提供食物。

This card gives out food.

这张牌提供蛋。

This card gives out eggs.

所以它让游戏节奏快一点，并且简化了各个行动。

So it speeds the game up a little quicker, and it simplifies those actions across the board.

所以，没有那种像原版《展翅翱翔》里你觉得自己拼凑出一个连击机器、效果特别好的那种复杂或硬核感。

So, there is no, like, overarching complexity or, crunchiness as far as, like, you would have with, like, the original Wingspan where you felt like, oh, I pulled something together as, like, a combo machine that worked really well.

我觉得，我还是会继续回到这个话题上来。

And I think, I'm gonna go I'm gonna continue to go back to this.

《展翅翱翔：口袋版》，等等，它其实是2.0版本。

Wingspan Pocket, it's a so wait.

它是2.0版本。

It's two point o.

《展翅翱翔》桌游，完整核心桌游的复杂度是2.48。

Wingspan, the board game, the full core board game is 2.48.

我不同意这个数字。

I disagree with that number.

我觉得《展翅翱翔》如果你真的想玩好，或者想玩得开心，它更接近2.75或3。

I think I think Wingspan, if you really like, if you really wanna play it well or you wanna have a good time at Wingspan, I think it's closer to, like, a 2.75 or a three.

因为我觉得，就像你说的，蒂姆，关键点在于，是的，任何人都能拿到蛋、食物和鸟，然后把它们放在版图上。

Because I think that, like, what you're saying, Tim, is really the the important part is, like, yes, anyone could get eggs and food and birds and put them on a board.

但是，你是否理解如何构建组合技，以及这些组合技如何与栖息地配合？

But do you understand, like, building combos and how the combos play into habitats?

而且，比如说，你明明在沼泽水域建起了那么棒的组合，能抽到好多牌，但偏偏没抽到那张能把牌变成食物的关键牌。

And, like, well, you you did you know, you built this wonderful machine up in the water, the, you know, the swamp water area, but and you could get a lot of cards, but you never got the card that turned your cards into food.

结果每一轮你都只能拿一份食物。

So now you're every round, you're taking one food.

所以说，这确实是个问题。

So, yeah, it's a thing.

不过说真的，我玩《展翅翱翔》的时候经常遇到这种情况，这些年我也跟不少不同的人玩过。

But, yeah, it's it's certainly something that I've experienced a lot playing with Wingspan, and I've played with a lot of different people over time.

我最近有机会跟一个人玩了《展翅翱翔》，他对桌游挺了解的，之前也玩过一些游戏。我觉得那些不算特别复杂的硬核游戏，但足够让他理解组合搭配了。

And I got a chance to play Wingspan recently with somebody who knew enough about tabletop board games and got a sense of Wingspan because they had played other, I would say not super crunchy games, but crunchy enough that they got the combos.

不过就算他懂这些组合，玩起来还是觉得有点累人。

But even though they got the combos, it was still a little bit of a grind for them.

因为我觉得重型桌游最大的问题，至少在一定程度上，不是大家学不会或者玩不了，而是我们常说的认知负荷太重。

They because I think the biggest problem with tabletop games, at least a little bit on the heavy ones, is not that people can't get it or can't play it, but I think sometimes it's all of that cognitive load that we talk about.

就像脑子里同时有好几件事在转一样。

Like, there's all these balls up in the air.

而且还有一种我们从来没聊过的焦虑，Tim，就是当你看着棋盘，看到那么多行动选项，你会想，我根本不知道从哪里开始。

And there's also this anxiety that we never talk about, Tim, when you look at the board and you and you see so many actions and you're like, I don't know where to begin.

我不知道该怎么处理。

I don't know how to kinda manage it.

然后教游戏的人就说，嗯，你就走一步呗。

And then the person who's teaching the game is like, well, just take a turn.

随便做点什么。

Just do a thing.

你就会觉得，这感觉真糟糕。

And you're like, that feels bad.

对吧？

Right?

随便做点什么。

Just do a thing.

对吧？

Right?

尤其是那种如果你没凑出连招就会惩罚你的游戏。

Especially a game that's going to punish you if you didn't put together a combo.

对。

Yeah.

我玩过一个让我有这种感觉的游戏，但这周那个游戏特别沉重。

I I played a game that made me feel that way, but this week that was very heavy.

所以我可能会在以后某周聊聊那个。

And so I may talk about that in a future week.

但我对这个作为入门点很感兴趣，只是它可能适合不同的受众，从你所说的来看，这也没关系。

But I I am interested in this as an intro point, and it's just for maybe a different audience from what I'm hearing from you, and that's okay.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得，就像我说的，这个比那种单纯堆分的游戏要沉重一些。

I think, like I said, I think this is more this is a little heavier this is a little heavier than point salad.

好的。

Okay.

但我觉得《展翅翱翔》在难度上被低估了。

But I think Wingspan is underrated as far as the weight is concerned.

我觉得《展翅翱翔》比人们说的要难一点。

I think Wingspan's a little harder than people say it is.

比如，在BGG上，《展翅翱翔》被列为排名第五的家庭游戏。

Like, Wingspan is listed on BGG as the number five family game.

但我觉得你得有个相当硬核的家庭，才能玩《展翅翱翔》。

And I think you have to have a pretty serious family to, you know, like, play Wingspan.

抱歉。

I'm sorry.

就是说，你们都得是真正的重度卡牌游戏玩家，才能玩这个。

Like, you all have to be, you know, real hard gate card gamers to play that.

你明白吗？

You know?

因为它真的挺有挑战性的。

Because it's it's it's it's it's pretty it's pretty challenging.

正因为如此，它才很棒。

It's great because of that.

不过，你知道的

But, you know

它到现在卖了多少百万份了？

It sold how many million copies at this point?

我觉得《展翅翱翔》在我们这个圈子里是销量前五的桌游。

I think it's in the top five selling board games in our hobby, Wingspan.

《展翅翱翔》。

Wingspan.

所以，我的意思是，它确实做对了。

So, I mean, it did Sure.

很多方面都做对了。

A lot of things right.

但我觉得你说的这款游戏，也就是《展翅翱翔口袋版》，才是真正应该摆在Target或沃尔玛货架上、面向大众市场的那个。

But I think this game that you're talking about, take Wingspan Pocket, is probably the one that actually should be on Target shelves or Walmart and in mass market.

对吧？

Right?

蒂姆，你玩过《她的故事》这个游戏吗？

Tim, have you played a game called Her Story?

还没有。

I have not.

我建议你找一份来玩，特别是和你的女儿一起，还有你的儿子也行，因为它和《展翅翱翔》很像，都是构建组合牌阵，但它足够简单，我觉得如果你先教别人《她的故事》，再教《展翅翱翔》，那在机制上会更容易上手——当然不是主题上，因为一个是历史著名女性，一个是鸟类。

I I recommend you finding a copy of this and playing with your daughter, especially, and your son, but, because it's very similar to Wingspan as building as far as building, like, a tableau of combos, but it's light enough that I think if you taught her story to somebody and then you taught Wingspan, I think that's a little bit mechanically, not thematically, because it's it's famous women in history versus birds.

不过，确实有一种机制上的递进和铺垫在里面。

But, certainly, there is there's a mechanic kind of leveling up scaffolding there.

但就这个机制而言，《她的故事》是一款非常不错的游戏。

But, Her Story is a very good game as far as that mechanic's concerned.

好了，各位。

Alright, everyone.

嗯，这就是我们这周有机会玩到的游戏了。

Well, there goes our games that we got a chance to play this week.

希望你们这周有机会玩到这些游戏，顺便躲开那些鸽子。

Hopefully, you get a chance to play them this week and avoid the Pigeons.

这就是我们想说的。

That's what we're just saying.

这就是我们今天的重点。

That's that's our takeaway here.

躲开鸽子。

Avoid the pigeons.

不过话说回来，《展翅翱翔：口袋版》里可能也有鸽子卡，但我记不太清了，说不定真有。

But nonetheless, and there's probably some pigeon cards in the Wingspan Pocket, but not that I remember, but there could be.

里面可能确实有。

There could be some in there.

所以嘛，玩的时候带上它们也没问题。

So there, it's fine to play with them.

说个有趣的事，我们度假的时候，我儿子第一次见到鸽子特别兴奋，那一刻我就知道，他是在小镇长大的。

Cute story is while we were on vacation, my son was very excited to see pigeons for the first time, and that's how I knew he had grown up in a small town.

哎呀。

Aw.

来纽约吧。

Come to New York.

你会看到很多。

You'll have plenty.

你会有一大堆话要说。

You'll have plenty to say.

没错。

Exactly.

这算是我们的本地鸟了。

It's it's our native bird.

好了，各位。

Alright, everyone.

现在进入我们的专题评测。

Now on to our feature review.