第309集：我最爱的温馨游戏，或者凯蒂只想让杰森展示图片并像猴子一样跳舞

但最后他们终于发货了，我给他们发了好多邮件。

But if finally they show up, I emailed them so many times.

我就问，这游戏到底还出不出？

I was like, are we ever getting this game?

我真的很想玩这个游戏。

Like, I really wanna play this game.

到底能不能拿到？

Are ever getting it?

然后过了好几个月，他们什么也不说。

And then, like, months, they wouldn't say anything.

就是，哦，对。

It's, oh, yeah.

我们还在弄呢。

We're still working on it.

顺便说一句，杰森在网上真的很烦人。

Jason's really annoying online, by the way.

是的。

I am.

嘿。

Hey.

这是个问题。

It's a problem.

这样还行。

This okay.

所以这基本上是一种叫“股票风格”的游戏，如果你在看视频的话，这是你的玩家板，分成六个不同的区域。

So this basically is it's something called a stock style game where this is your if you're look watching on the video, you have a player board that's broken down into six different areas.

轮到你的时候，你要从其中一个区域拿起所有的船，然后在该区域生产商品。

And on your turn, you're gonna pick up all the boats from one of those areas, and you're gonna produce goods in that area.

有黄金。

So there's gold.

有木材。

There's wood.

有木材，还有石头。

There's lumber or, stone.

有纸，还有小麦之类的。

There's papers, and there's, like, wheat.

然后你每个地方都要放一艘船。

And then you're gonna drop one boat off at every place.

你最后停在哪里，就能执行那个地方的动作。

The location you end is the action you get to take.

所以你是从一个动作获取资源，再从另一个动作获取资源。

So you're getting resources from one action from another.

然后你会在主游戏板上移动，这个主游戏板就是奥斯蒂亚，你要去访问这些地点，建造建筑。

And then you're gonna be moving around on this main game board, which is Ostia, and you're trying to visit these locations, build buildings.

建筑会在你的玩家板上给你特殊能力，你要努力走到游戏板的终点。

Buildings are gonna give you special abilities on your player board, and you're trying to get to the end of the board.

如果你走到终点，你会得到一些额外分数，还有一些对你有好处的东西。

If you get to the end of board, you're gonna get some extra points, some extra kinda thing that's good for you.

而且这也有点像是一场赛跑，要穿过这些虚线，因为你能得到一些奖励。

And it's also like a race to get across some of these little dotted lines because you get some bonuses.

因为你得拿到这些像胜利点一样的图标，因为你想在这条轨道上往上走。

Because you gotta get these, like, victory point looking icons because you wanna move up this track here.

你走得越高，所有东西的价值就越高。

The higher you go up, everything is worth more points.

所以你要努力做到这一点。

So you're trying to do that.

能做到这一点的方法不多。

There's not many ways to do that.

所以你要做的就是平衡好这些行动，造船、建建筑、让你的船出海环游世界，然后尽可能多地得分。

So you're just trying to balance, taking all these actions, building ships, building buildings, getting your boats out to travel around the globe, and score as many points as you can.

真的是奥斯蒂亚。

Really Ostia.

就是这样。

That's it.

或者别的什么。

Or whatever.

奥斯蒂亚。

Ostia.

不管它在哪儿。

Wherever it is.

不管它在哪儿。

Wherever it is.

那里有很多不同的地方。

It's a whole bunch of different places.

这里有很多城市。

Has a bunch of cities here.

我也不太清楚。

I don't know.

所以，对，那就是奥斯蒂亚。

So, yeah, that's Ostia.

我真的很喜欢这个游戏。

I really enjoyed this game.

我是单人玩的，用那个小小的单人模式图拉真皇帝角色来帮忙。

I played it solo with the little solo Trajan emperor Trajan guy that helps you.

你有大概18个回合，尽量多做事情，多得分，但我玩得很差。

You have, like, 18 rounds to do as much as you can, score as many points as you can, and I do real bad.

不过跟其他玩家一起玩效果很好，而且游戏结束的速度是由玩家决定的，因为有很多结束条件。

But it works well with other players, and it's kinda driven the players determine how quickly the game's gonna end because there's, like, a whole bunch of end game conditions.

所以如果你不想结束，你可以做别的事情来争取多一个回合。

So if you don't want it to end, you can do something else to try to get another round in.

真的很有趣。

It's really fun.

我喜欢它的宽度，还有它的外观。

I like the width, the way that it looks.

我喜欢它的颜色。

I like the colors.

我很喜欢它的整体感觉。

I like the whole vibe of it.

那你觉得奥斯蒂亚怎么样？

So what'd you think about Ostia?

我确实挺喜欢的。

I did like it.

它绝对是个解谜游戏。

It it definitely is a puzzle.

我们只玩过一次，我只玩过一次。

I we only play I only played it once.

所以我真的很想再玩一次，因为我觉得第一次玩的时候，很多方面你都不知道什么才是重要的。

So I really would like to play it again because I feel like the first time you play it, you don't really know what's important in a lot of ways.

没错。

That's correct.

我确实玩了很多次。

I did because I I played it a bunch of times.

这就是为什么杰森，我觉得这不公平。

Which is why Jason, which I think is unfair.

只是说说而已。

Just saying.

嘿。

Hey.

我从来没赢过。

I never win.

别把这个也夺走。

Don't take this away from me.

显然，不是从来没赢过。

Obviously, it's not never.

好吧。

Okay.

就一次。

One time.

最差教师奖。

Bad teacher award.

学鲍勃那一套。

Pulling a bob.

不。

No.

我教杰里米和达斯汀的时候，达斯汀扇了我一巴掌。

When I taught Jeremy and Dustin, Dustin slapped me in the face.

所以显然是个好老师。

So clearly a good teacher.

当然。

Sure.

所以，我喜欢这个谜题。

So I I like the puzzle.

就像，好吧。

Like, okay.

我想做这个动作。

I want to do this action.

那我需要怎么做才能到那边去？

So what do I need to do to get over there?

有些部分看起来像是在比赛谁先到终点，我不喜欢这样，因为我从来都不喜欢游戏里的这种设定。

The fact that some of it seems like a race to get to the end, I don't like that because I never like that in games.

我的意思是，即使不是第一个到的，你也能得到一些东西。

I mean, you still get something for not being there first.

只是第一个到会稍微好一点。

It's just first is a little bit better.

所以只要到达终点，你就能得到额外的东西。

So just getting to the end will get you extra things.

但是，比如有一个会给积分。

But, like, there's one that gives you points.

第一个玩家能得到18分。

The first player gets 18.

其他人都得12分。

Everybody else gets 12.

所以你还是能拿到一些东西的。

So you're still getting something.

只是你拿不到那个最高的。

You're just not getting it.

我觉得继续往前走，那部分我真的很不喜欢。

I I feel like moving on there, that's the part I really don't like.

你是说这个棋盘吗？

This board here?

对。

Yes.

因为，比如说，你很难……嗯，也许是因为这是我们第一次玩。

Because, like, you it's hard to well, and maybe it's because it's our first time.

因为我就觉得，嗯，我不知道该往哪儿走才能真正把最后那步弄对，然后真正拿到分。

Because I'm like, well, I didn't know, like, where I needed to go to actually make the end things work right and actually get me points.

如果你再玩一次，你就会知道了。

If you played it again, you would know

所有这些。

all that.

也许那样会更好，但是，还有那些随机出来的板块，我觉得应该……

Maybe that would be better, but also, like, the random randomization of, like, the tiles that go out there, like, I think it should be

我们有些板块挺无聊的。

We had some boring tiles.

我们本来可以有更好的板块。

We coulda had some better tiles.

我觉得这变得更难做好了。

I I think that has been made even more difficult to do well.

我感觉我几乎没怎么用过那些能把资源转换的板块。

I feel like I hardly ever converted used the tiles that converted resources to different things.

我用了很多次。

I did that a lot.

哦，好的。

Oh, okay.

嗯，我没有用，因为我想，我可以获取资源。

Well, didn't because I was like, well, I can get resources.

就像其他我需要的东西。

It's like other stuff I need.

所以我挺喜欢的。

So I I like it.

它不是我下一个最喜欢的游戏什么的，但我绝对会想再玩一次，尤其是想看看现在是不是更清晰、更有意义了。

It's not like my next favorite game or anything, but I definitely would want would play it again especially to see if like it cemented and made makes sense now better.

而且我觉得它没有拖沓，特别是第一次玩的时候，因为你一直在想我到底该做什么或者我在做什么。

And I I didn't feel like it overstayed its welcome, especially the first time because you're like, I was trying to figure out what in the heck I should do or was doing.

所以它没有显得特别短，不像有时候我觉得一些竞速游戏太短了。

So it didn't feel super short as far as like when I think of sometimes a race game it's too short.

但它也不是那种很短的竞速游戏。

But and it's it's not really racist.

它不像那些我讨厌的、非要拿五星之类的烂游戏。

It's not like all those terrible like get five stars or whatever games I hate.

抱歉，还是有人在看你。

Sorry, still somewhere looking at you.

但你也有一些我喜欢的。

But you have some others I love.

不过它需要多玩几次。

But it'll it'll take a couple plays.

但我觉得绝对值得。

But it's definitely I would say it's it's worth it.

在我们玩过的所有曼卡拉游戏里，

It's like of all the Mencala games we play

特拉扬比这个好。

Trajan's better than this.

你觉得呢？

You think?

我

I

不太喜欢图拉真

don't really like Trajan

那个游戏。

that much.

我更喜欢图拉真，比这个强。

I like Trajan better than this.

但对我来说，这个比图拉真更轻松。

But I this is lighter to me than Trajan.

真的吗？

Really?

你就在自己的小板上动来动去，然后在主板上做个动作。

You're just moving around your little board, moving like, doing an action on the main board.

图拉真的话，主板上大概有19种不同的事情可以做。

Trajan, there's, like, 19 different things you can do on the main board.

你得收集这些不同的板块。

You gotta collect these different tiles.

你得在外面转来转去，才能拿到板块里的这些奖励。

You gotta move around this outside to get these bonuses in the tiles.

你得有……但是你在不同的、不同的小地方没有颜色棋子。

You gotta have But you don't have color pieces in the different different little

但我觉得你并不总是非得做那些事。

But I feel like you don't always have to do those things.

你只需要做那件每次都会让你头疼的事。

You only have to do like the one thing that's gonna like slap you around each time.

你得满足那个……

You have to like meet the

你得满足需求。

You gotta meet the demands.

那当然。

But sure.

但是那些要求，真的挺……

But the demands like that's really

不过那样得分不多。

You don't get a lot of points for that though.

但其他的部分，感觉你可以更自由地选择自己的路线。

But the rest of the thing like it's kind of feel like you can choose your own path a little bit more.

我觉得这次我没那么多选择自己路线的余地。

I felt like I didn't get to choose my own path as much on this.

对。

Correct.

在特拉扬里，你可以更自由地选择路线。

You can choose your path a lot more into Trajan.

没错。

That's correct.

好的。

Okay.

所以我觉得特拉扬比这个更轻松，因为我觉得这个游戏几乎太确定了，这对我来说是个障碍。

That's why I think Trajan is lighter than this one because I feel like this is almost too too too determined, and that is a hindrance for me.

不过还是个不错的游戏。

But still a good game.

我很喜欢。

I enjoyed it.

我们其实有个模块可以开启，来减少一些这种确定性，就是加入我们自己的个人目标。

There are there is a module that we can turn on to to eliminate some of that where we have our own personal goals.

你知道，就是那些荣誉卡。

You know, they get those honor cards.

你有自己的个人目标，还有一些小板块可以放上去，帮助缓解一些这种问题。

You have your own personal one, and there's some little, like, tiles you can put down to help alleviate some of that.

我还没试过那个。

I haven't done anything with it.

不过

But

那你每次玩的时候都玩得那么好？

And all the times you played it so well?

我就玩普通的。

I just play regular.

除非我玩腻了，不然我从来不去碰那些。

I don't ever until I'm tired of it, never mess with it.

总之，那就是奥斯蒂亚。

Anyway, that's Ostia.

我们继续往下。

We're moving on.

接下来，不知道为啥还在加载，但下一款游戏叫《预兆》。

Up next, I don't know why anything's loading, but up next is a game called Omens.

当时我们在一家游戏店里。

Now we were out at a game store.

什么？

What?

这是给我生日或者什么的吗？

It's for my birthday or something?

是的。

Yes.

给你的生日。

For your birthday.

然后这个游戏刚好就在那里。

And this game just happened to be there.

然后凯蒂觉得它看起来挺酷的。

And Katie thought it looked cool.

我当时就是买一堆小游戏，因为我有一张礼品卡。

I was I was just getting a bunch of little games because I got, like I had, like, a gift card.

所以我就想尽量多买几个游戏。

So I was just trying to get a as many games as I could

按我平时坚持的方式。

for how I normally insist it.

我会四处看看，然后找到一个小游戏。

I'll look around, and I'll, like, find, like, one little game.

我就想，哦，这个看起来真的很好玩。

I'm like, oh, this looks really fun.

我会读一下。

I'll read it.

我就想，听起来不错。

I'm like, that sounds fun.

说实话，我听到了。

Just being honest, heard that.

不知道它是什么样的。

Don't know what it's like.

所以我会到处看看。

And so I'm I'll, like, we'll look around.

我会回来的。

I'll come back.

我就觉得，这游戏看起来确实不错。

I'm like, well, this game does look good.

他看了大概四次，我还是忍不住回去看它。

And he looks at it about four times, and I keep coming back to it.

然后我让他买下来，他就说，哦，这游戏真好玩。

And then I make him buy it, and he's like, oh, that was a good game.

然后我们就到了现在。

And here we are.

好的。

Okay.

现在那个搞定了。

Now that that's done.

所以这是一个四到八人的游戏，你们是分组玩的。

So this is it's a four to eight player game, and you're playing in teams.

这有点奇怪，但在这个游戏里，你轮到你的时候，你要出一张牌。

And it's kinda weird, but what you're doing in this game is on your turn, you're gonna play a card.

而且每张牌都有各自的功能。

And all the cards have something that they do.

比如说，如果你看屏幕上的话

So, like, if you're looking at the screen

一种能力。

A power.

它们都有一种能力。

They have a power.

所以这是一张七泉牌，或者说绿色的。

So this is a seven spring card or green.

在回合结束时，如果这是场上唯一的绿色牌，你就把它弃掉。

And at the end of the round, if this is the only green card in play, you discard it.

你们要做的就是，你们队里有人要努力把牌减到只剩一张。

And what you're trying to do is your team is someone on your team is trying to get down to one card.

一旦他们只剩一张牌，回合就结束了。

Once they get down to one card, round's over.

你们队要赢两轮才能赢下整场比赛。

You have to win two rounds as a team and you win the game.

所以你要打出这些牌，然后你的队友会出牌来帮你。

So you're trying to play these cards, and then your opponent your teammate is trying to play a card to help you.

比如，如果我打出那张牌，他们就不想出绿牌了。

So, like, if I play that that card, they don't wanna play a green card.

但对方队会想，好吧，我要出张绿牌，因为我不想让你弃掉那张牌。

But the other team's gonna be like, well, I'm gonna play a green card because I don't want you discarding that card.

但那样他们自己就不能弃牌了。

But then they don't get to discard their card.

所以这里面有很多这种抉择，我什么时候出这张牌？

So it's a whole bunch of these, when do I play this card?

我是不是该牺牲自己弃一张牌，好让他们不能弃牌？

Do I wanna sacrifice me discarding a card so they don't get to discard a card?

还有一些特别强的牌，每个人都有，比如可以弃掉所有某种颜色的牌。

There's, like, these super powerful cards that everybody has one that, like, discard all the color.

它们还能做出特别厉害的事情。

They do crazy powerful things too.

有点怪，但其实还挺好玩的。

It's funky, but it was actually kind of fun.

我本来没抱什么期待，结果这游戏各种颜色都有。

I didn't know what to expect about it, and this is a cards every color.

就是特别好玩。

It's just it's a ton of fun.

挺奇怪的。

It's weird.

所以如果你要玩这个，得做好心理准备，不过我是真的很喜欢。

So be prepared for weirdness if you're you get into this, but I really liked it.

那你觉得《Omens》怎么样？

So what do think about Omens?

我真的很喜欢。

I really liked it.

就怪诞程度来说，我觉得

Like, I as far as weirdness goes

我们玩过更怪的游戏。

We've played weirder games.

那倒是真的。

That is true.

它有点暗示

It sort of hints at

我知道你在说什么。

I know what you're talking about.

那帮不了你。

It's not gonna help you.

伊尔哈马德才是关键人物。

Ilhamad is the guy.

对。

Yes.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我的

My

我们之前已经聊过这个了。

We even talked about this already before.

没有。

No.

我们没聊过

We didn't talk

关于伊尔哈马德。

about Ilhamad.

是的。

Yes.

聊过。

Did.

你之前就是这么说的。

You said these exact same things.

你当时有什么计划？

What were your plans?

你说这让我想起什么，然后我说，提升。

You're like, this reminds me of and I said, Elevate.

我说，哦，对。

I'm like, oh, yeah.

没错。

That's right.

不。

No.

是的。

Yes.

确实说过。

Did.

她确实说了。

She did.

她说了完全一样的话。

She said the exact same thing.

没有。

No.

我没有。

I didn't.

我真的不知道你在说什么。

I legitimately don't know what you're talking about.

现在你这是在给我洗脑啊。

Now I'm being gaslighted.

没有。

No.

你知道我说了什么吗？

You know what I said?

你说这让我想起了伊卢门特。

You said this reminds me of ilument.

你当时就是这么说的。

It's exactly what you said.

我觉得我当时说的是名妓，因为我在说那张牌，你看。

I think I was talking about courtesan, because I was talking about the card, like, look.

那是塔罗牌。

It was the tarot card.

我说了伊卢门特，然后你说，哦，对。

I said ilument, and you said, oh, yeah.

那是五点。

It's five points.

你才没有。

You did not.

我们没有，好吧。

We didn't okay.

是的。

Yes.

我

I

说了。

did.

那根本没发生过。

That never happened.

从来没发生过。

It never happened.

总之，这个艺术作品真的很酷。

So anyway, the artwork is really cool.

对我来说，这就像是一个吃墩游戏，你知道的，我们很喜欢这种。

And to me, it's so it's like a trick taking game, which, you know, we love.

我们是中西部人。

We're Midwesterners.

所以我喜欢这个想法，而且我觉得Jason解释得不是最清楚，因为它确实像是一个吃墩游戏。

And so I like that idea, and I don't know that Jason explained it in, the easiest way because it is like a trick taking game.

所以每个人也都在玩这个游戏。

So everyone's playing game too.

你要想办法把手里的牌出完。

You're trying to get rid of your cart.

对。

Yes.

就像是两者的结合。

It's like the combination of the two.

然后呢，你其实有很多

And so then you're it is a lot of

但你不需要跟牌，而且

But you don't have to follow suit and

那些规则什么的。

all that stuff.

对，是的。

Well, yeah.

没错。

Yes.

不，不是的。

You No.

你不用。

You don't.

你想出什么牌就出什么牌。

You can play whatever you want.

确实是这样。

It's true.

所以我喜欢这个游戏，它又是一个轮到你时出牌的游戏。

So I like that it's it's again another game that it's on your turn, you play a card.

而且，如果你不跟花色什么的，它还是一张牌。

And it again, if you're not following suit, whatever, it it's a card.

但你选的那张牌有时候要想很久才能决定。

But the card that you pick sometimes takes so much thought to figure out.

我知道有些人会说，我不玩那么复杂的游戏。

And I know some people are like, well, I don't play a game that that's complicated.

我的意思是，你手里就那么几张牌。

I mean, you only have so many in your hands.

对，是的。

You have yeah.

其实没那么复杂。

You it's not super complicated.

就是给别人一张牌。

It's give somebody a card.

如果你只能出绿色的牌，那就把那张牌弃掉。

If you only play you're the only green card, discard the card.

操作不难，难的是知道该出哪张牌。

It's it's not it's not difficult, but playing the card, knowing which card you wanna play is the tricky.

而且，还要想着别人会出什么牌，他们手里可能有什么牌。

And, like, trying to think what, like, other people are gonna play, what they might have in their hand.

因为，就像杰森之前说的那张牌，比如，好吧。

Because, like, that card that Jason was talking about earlier, like, okay.

就这张牌，如果它是唯一的绿色牌。

Just card this card if it's only the only green card.

然后对方队伍里有人，可能出了另一张绿色牌。

And so someone on the other team, maybe they play another green card.

所以我可能会想，我有没有那张牌，能弃掉最低的绿色牌，如果他们出了一张高绿色牌的话？

So I may try to see if do I have the card that says discard the lowest green card if they played a high green card?

还是想方设法把那张牌弃掉。

Still try and get that card discarded.

比如，我要不要牺牲自己，把牌弃掉？

Like, am I gonna sacrifice me getting rid of card?

因为如果你的牌没被弃掉，它就会回到你手里。

Because if your card doesn't get discarded, it goes back into your hand.

而且一轮里可以同时弃掉好几张牌。

And multiple cards can be discarded in one round in one hand.

你可以想想，这真的很酷。

You can think is really cool.

我觉得全部都是吧。

Them all, I think.

对。

Yes.

而且有时候确实会这样。

And sometimes that happens.

而且不是每张牌每次都会出现在游戏里。

And not every card's in the game every time.

所以，你知道，不是每张牌都会出现。

So, you know, not not every card is will show up.

所以有点像，比如玩尤克牌的时候，如果有底牌，就像那样。

So there's a little bit less like, there's the idea, like, with Euchre, if you have a kitty, like, okay.

这些牌我们不知道是什么。

There's these cards, we don't know about what they are.

所以我大概能猜出手里有什么牌。

So I can sort of figure out what's in hand.

而且牌实际上可以在人之间传递。

And then cards actually can pass between people.

有些牌允许你从别人那里拿一些牌。

There's some cards that allow you to take some from other people.

你知道，如果有人打出一张牌然后又回到手里，你可能会再看到它。

You know, like, if someone plays something and it goes back to their hand, you might see that again.

所以这里面有很多很酷的策略。

So there's a lot of really cool strategy to that.

因为如果你不弃掉它，它就会回到你手里。

Because if you don't discard it, it goes back in your hand.

你再打一次。

You play it again.

可以的。

You can.

不是必须的，但你可以再打一次。

You don't have to, but you can play it again.

所以可能我手里的牌是一手很好的辅助牌。

So then it could be like, maybe I have a hand that's a really good helper hand.

那我就反复打同样的几张牌来帮我的搭档。

So I'm just playing the same a couple same cards over and over again to help out my partner.

因为如果他们把手里的牌都出完，只剩一张牌的时候

Because if they get rid of all their card if they get down to one card

你就只剩那一张牌了。

You just have that one card.

只剩一张牌的时候，我也算赢。

Get down to one card, I'm also winning.

所以我挺喜欢这个的。

So I I like that.

最后出牌总是特别好，因为你能看到别人都出了什么，而且这也轮换着，谁先出牌，谁必须出牌。

And going last is always really great because you get to see what the rest plays, and that also rotates, like, who gets to lead and who has to lead.

而且我觉得总是两人一组。

And I think it's always teams of two.

我不确定。

I don't know.

我们只设了四个人，但我觉得总是两人一组。

We only put it at four, but I think it's always teams of two.

因为这里有四套这样的牌。

Because there's four sets of these cards.

所以我觉得总是

So I think it's always

这些牌有名字，但我记不清它们叫什么了。

They're cards that have a name, and I can't remember what they're called.

蓝色的那些是绝对牌。

Absolutes are the blue ones.

是的。

Yes.

所以，就像，你发牌，然后根据符号来配对队友。

So, like, you you hand out cards that, like, you match symbols for, like, teammates.

对，我。

I yeah.

我觉得那个图案也挺好看的。

I the artwork is also pretty.

上面有那种镭射的图案

It's got, like, foil art

在上面。

on it.

真的，真的很酷。

It's really it's really cool.

我真的很喜欢。

I really liked it.

我很喜欢好的卡牌游戏，我觉得这真的是一款卡牌游戏。

I love I love a good card game, and I thought this is really a card game.

所以很高兴认识你。

So I'm glad to meet you.

祝你生日快乐。

Bye for your birthday.

只要20美元。

It's only $20.

所以如果你喜欢感觉不一样的卡牌游戏，我建议你试试这个。

So if you if you like card games that feel different, I would say give this one a go.

好的。

Alright.

接下来，我们要讨论的最后一款游戏是另一种有趣的卡牌游戏。

Next up, the last game we're gonna talk about is another kind of funky card game.

这是一款吃墩游戏。

It's a trick taking game.

这个游戏呢，你必须跟牌。

And this one is you do have to follow suit in this one.

是的。

Yes.

这个游戏叫《创世碎片》，是根据布兰登·桑德森的一本书改编的。

And this is called Shards of Creation based on a Brandon Sanderson book.

我对这本书一无所知。

I don't know anything about it.

但在这个游戏里，有四种不同的花色。

But in this game, there are four different suits.

当你赢一墩的时候，你得像平常一样跟牌。

And when you take a trick you you have to follow suit just like normal.

我觉得

I think

不止四种吧。

there are more than four.

你只玩

You only play with

四种。

four.

哦，好的。

Oh, okay.

每次都是玩四种。

You play with four every time.

但是当你赢了一墩牌的时候，你得从里面拿一张牌，放到你的计分堆里。

But when you take a trick when you win the trick, you have to take one of the cards and you're gonna put it in your scoring pile.

你的目标就是尽量多拿同花色的牌，因为拿得越多，分数就越高。

And what you're trying to do is you're trying to get as many of a suit as you can because the more that you get, you're gonna get more points.

但同时你也要尽量集齐所有花色，因为那样也能得分。

But you're also trying to get all the suits because you're also gonna get points for that.

还有一副单独的小牌堆，你要翻一张出来。

And there's a separate little deck which you're gonna flip one.

它会指定一种花色，王牌花色会有额外的能力。

It's gonna give a certain suit, the trump suit, will have a another power.

所以每张牌会有自己的能力，然后还有整体的牌力。

So the card will have a power, and then it'll have an overall power of the card.

所以玩的时候，有人出牌，他们会说，哦，等等。

So as you're playing, you somebody playing a card, they're like, oh, wait.

那是干什么的？

What's that do?

然后，也许你需要换一些牌。

Then, like, maybe you have to switch some cards.

你得弃一张牌，再抽几张牌。

You gotta discard a card and draw some cards.

有些牌没什么用。

Some of them don't do anything.

比如你看这张图，就是一些数字什么的。

Like, if you look at this picture, they're just some numbers and whatever.

但有特殊能力的那些，其实不难。

But the ones that have special abilities, it's not difficult.

它可能会给桌上每张这样的牌增加力量。

It's may add to power for every other card like this that's out on the table.

抽一张牌，然后弃一张。

Draw a card, then discard.

抽一张牌，没什么特别复杂的。

Draw a card, It's not anything, like, super complicated.

但这确实会让出牌过程慢一点，因为你会想，等等。

But it does slow the trick taking down a little bit because you're like, oh, wait.

我得做点什么。

I gotta do something.

然后你就去做了。

So then you're doing that.

所以记住这一点就好。

So just keep that in mind.

不过，是啊，当你赢了一墩牌，然后试着收集一些成套的东西，那还挺有意思的。

But, yeah, the the way when you're winning a trick and trying to collect some doing some set collection is pretty interesting.

我打得糟透了。

I did awful.

但你手里最后一张牌，也会加到你的套组里。

But then the last card in your hand, you're also adding to your, your set.

你手里剩一张牌，然后你会把它加到面前的牌里。

You have one card left, and you're gonna add it to your cards in front you.

所以至少游戏结束时你能得个四分左右。

So you're least gonna score, like, four points at the end of the game.

这有点像Mori。

Which is like Mori.

这就是我说的那个游戏。

That's what I that's the game I talked about.

确实像Mori。

It is like Mori.

所以这个游戏，我挺喜欢的。

So this this game was I liked it.

它不是我最喜欢的吃墩游戏。

It's not my favorite trick taking game.

我觉得那些能力有点拖慢了节奏，但还挺有意思的。

I felt like the powers kinda slowed it down a little too much, but it was interesting.

我玩得很开心。

I had fun with it.

只有三轮，所以不会花太长时间。

It's only, like, three rounds, so it's not doesn't take forever.

对，确实挺好玩的。

But, yeah, it it was fun.

那你觉得这个怎么样？

So how'd feel about this?

我觉得我比你更喜欢这个游戏。

I think I liked a lot more than you.

我觉得你确实喜欢。

I think you did.

不过我也玩得很差。

Well, I did awful too.

所以通常我不会因为玩得差就影响对游戏的看法，但这次不知道为什么，确实影响了。

So that doesn't normally judge play my opinion, but for some reason, it did on this one.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我不知道谁赢了。

I don't know who won.

可能是吧。

Probably.

可能是马特。

It's probably Matt.

可能是马特。

It's probably Matt.

不过我是真的，你知道的，很喜欢这种拼场地优势的比赛，就像我刚才说的。

But I do I do you know, love a turf taking game like I just said.

而且另一款游戏的美术也很酷，我觉得

And this other one has cool art also, which I think

真的

is really

很棒。

good.

看起来真不错。

It looks really good.

这套废墟西装糟透了。

And this ruin suit is terrible.

看着就像在扣分。

It looked like negative points.

所以要是非得选一个，那就是扣那个分。

So if you have to take one of those, the negative point.

但你不用非得用那套牌，我们可能本来就不该用。

But you don't have to play with that suit, which we probably shouldn't have.

也许那样你就不会那么烦躁了。

Maybe that you wouldn't have been so cranky about it.

不会。

No.

我一张都没拿，所以我不在乎。

I didn't I didn't take any of them, so I didn't care.

但是

But

我觉得这些技能并没有比上一款游戏更拖慢节奏。

I don't think that the powers slow it down any more than they did in the last game.

也可能是因为不是每张牌都有技能。

The and could be also because not every card has one.

所以我觉得这有助于我们推进。

So I think that helps us move.

而且，跟牌这个规则确实能让回合更顺畅。

Also, fact that you're following suit that can kinda streamline a turn.

没错。

That's true.

我挺喜欢的。

I I like it.

我喜欢那种带点变化的吃墩游戏。

I like a good trick taking with, a little spin.

所以有不同的点数，不同的能力。

So there's different values, different abilities.

而且，我当时想尽量收集所有不同花色的牌，每种都来几套。

And, like, I was trying to get all the different, like, a couple sets of of all the different suits.

但我觉得马特因为专攻一种花色，得了好多分。

But I feel like Matt's got a ton of points for going real hard into one suit.

所以这里有个平衡。

So there's like a balance to that.

基本上每一轮都会有一个事件。

You've got like an event basically every round.

我觉得这一点很棒。

I thought that was great.

再说，这个游戏很容易上手，但也有很多高质量的决策点。

Again, it's pretty easy to play, but has, you know, quality decisions.

而且节奏很快。

And, it's quick.

算是轻量级的。

It's light ish.

这游戏确实不难。

It it's not a hard game by any yeah.

就像《预兆》一样。

It's it's just like Omens.

卡牌会告诉你该怎么做。

The card tells you what you need to do.

所以我真的很喜欢它。

And so I I really liked it.

我觉得它很好。

I thought it was good.

我希望我们有它。

I wish we had it.

但显然，我们不会

But apparently, we will not

得到它。我不喜欢基于

be getting I do not like based

这次谈话。

on this conversation.

我不喜欢它。

I do not like it.

我觉得其他人会喜欢它。

I think other people would like it.

我玩的游戏都是别人比我更喜欢的。

And I play games that people like more than me.

我不觉得，只是它可能不是我优先会选择玩的那个，比起《Omens》的话。

I don't it's just it's not one that I would probably play over Omens.

我会选《Omens》而不是这个。

I would play Omens over this.

或者我会选《Mori》而不是这个。

Or I'd play Mori over this.

不过它氛围挺像的，而且美术风格很酷。

But it has a similar vibe, and it's got cool art.

我有个朋友是布兰登·桑德森的。

I have a friend of Brandon Sanderson.

那就这样吧。

There you go.

我从来没读过他的书。

I've I've never read any.

我试着开始读《信任翡翠海》，但一开始就是读不进去。

I tried to start reading Trust the Emerald Sea and I just I couldn't get into it first.

我也不知道。

I don't know.

我们想找个地方开始。

We wanted to start somewhere.

我试着开始读，他是写《酒窖档案》的那个人吗？

I tried to start is he the one that does Store Wine Archive?

那也是他写的吗？

Is that him too?

我觉得是的。

I think so.

我觉得。

I think.

我不知道。

I don't know.

可能太……我也不太清楚。

Maybe it's too I I don't know.

可能是……

Maybe it's

太……其实跟这个游戏没什么关系，除了……

too It has nothing to do with this game other

对，除了……

than Yeah.

他的……我觉得不是。

His I I don't think so.

不过话说回来，我也没读过，所以也说不好。

But again, I've never read it, so I couldn't tell you.

但除此之外，我觉得这个游戏真的很好玩。

But aside from that, I think the game is really fun.

我很喜欢玩。

I like playing it.

我们可能不会买它，因为杰森不喜欢。

We probably won't own it because Jason doesn't like it.

如果它便宜的话，我会买的。

If it's if it was cheap, I would buy it.

如果只要20美元，我会

If it was like $20, I would

买，因为那样的话，我会力推它，然后每次都得教别人怎么玩。

buy because what would happen is I would champion it, and then I would have to teach it every time.

而且每次我提议玩它，因为我很喜欢，别人就会说，哦，那个游戏啊，就像哈根咖喱那样。

And then every time I suggest to play it because I like it, it's like, oh, that game, which is what happened to Haggen Curry.

我想说你错了，但我

I wanna say that you're wrong, but I'm

你知道我说得对。

You know it's right.

而且我还把游戏的名字说对了。

And I also got the name of the game right.

非常感谢。

Thank you very much.

干得好。

Good job.

《叶隐》是一款很棒的吃墩游戏。

Hagakure is a great trick taking game.

你们都应该跟我一起玩，因为有人觉得它不好。

Y'all should play it with me because somebody acts like it's not good.

我没那么说。

I didn't say that.

我只是玩腻了。

I just got sick of it.

我们其实也没玩多少次。

We didn't even play it that much.

总之，这个创作挺好的。

Anyway, show the creation's good.

这个还行吧。

This this was okay.

好。

Alright.

所以这就是我们玩过的游戏。

So those are the games that we played.

现在，我们继续往下。

Now, we are moving on.

好的。

Okay.

我们这次的话题，是为了让我们重新找回做播客的感觉，想到这个话题是因为现在是秋天了。

So our topic to get us back into the swing of this whole podcasting thing came to me because it's fall.

终于。

Finally.

俄亥俄州终于到秋天了。

Finally in Ohio.

不过话说回来，下周说不定又到90度了。

Now, I mean, again, next week, it could be 90.

直接飙升。

Straight by.

肯定会到90度。

It will be 90.

然后万圣节那天可能还会下雪。

And then it'll snow on on Halloween.

随便吧。

Whatever.

但我就是喜欢秋天。

But I love fall.

秋天有所有我喜欢的东西。

It has all the things I love.

天气更凉爽。

It's cooler weather.