Breaking Bad Insider 411

因为你必须以每小时一百英里的速度准时到场。

Because you gotta be there right at a 100 miles an hour.

对。

Yeah.

必须准时到场，把动作做对，把握好时机。

Gotta be there for that line and do it just right and have the timing.

你对场景的时机完全没有控制权。

You have no you have no power over the timing of the scene.

其他人都能控制。

Everybody else does.

所以

So

当你说话时，如果有一段更长的台词，一切都会对你有利。

when you're talking and you have a longer weigh in, everything about it works for you.

你能控制时机，那真是……

You get to control the timing and that's

对，你占了很大一部分，是的。

Yeah, you're a big part of it, Yeah.

关于设定节奏，你也能在情感上找到自己的位置。

About setting the pace and and you also can emotionally find your way to the place.

你有多种方式进入状态。

You have a bunch of ways in.

明白了。

Gotcha.

但是

But

所以我们真应该写那种很长的对话场景。

So we should write that really long dialogue scenes.

我不是说，你看。

I'm not look.

人们似乎喜欢那些页面的这个事实

The fact that people seem to like that Pages

还有那些页面

and pages

内容很多。

of stuff.

这是做这件事的一个理由，不过，是的。

Is a reason to do it, but then also yeah.

不。

No.

我很喜欢。

I love it.

不。

No.

这很棒。

It's great.

所以这次感觉真的很好。

So that this was a really this felt good.

这次我感觉我做到了。

This felt like I got it.

你做得太棒了

You nailed

没错。

it.

上周那期节目你也做得特别棒。

You nailed in the last week's episode too.

好的。

Alright.

你就是觉得自己做到了，而且你确实做到了。

You just feel like you did it, which you did.

你确实做到了。

You did.

那期节目太棒了。

It was great.

太好了。

It's great.

所以我们绝不会让你把飞机搞砸的。

So we would never let you crash the plane.

好的。

Okay.

很好。

Good.

谢谢。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Thank you.

绝不会

Would never

让你

let you

把飞机弄坠毁。

crash the plane.

真的感觉很好，也很有趣。

Really felt good and fun to do.

哇。

Wow.

酷。

Cool.

上帝保佑你，兄弟。

God bless you, man.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的。

Alright.

好吧，我们知道你得到了什么。

Well, we know what you got.

我让你去和你儿子一起玩。

I'm gonna get you go go hang out with your son.

祝你和你儿子度过愉快的一天。

Have a have a great day with your son.

请告诉我妹妹。

Please tell my sister.

谢谢你，鲍勃。

Thank you, Bob.

非常感谢你，鲍勃。

Thank you so much, Bob.

谢谢你，

Thank you,

谢了，兄弟。

Thanks, man.

所以，你知道，有鲍勃在这里讲那个故事真是太好了，但让我们回到开头那部分。

So, you know, it's great to have Bob, you know, here to talk about that story, but let's, like, jump back to the first part of the

好吧，关于那件事，我们最后再说一句。

Well, let's say one last thing about about all that.

我们觉得泰德·贝内克到底发生了什么？

Do we think what do what do we think actually happened to Ted Beneke?

我不知道。

I don't know.

我也不知道。

I don't know either.

你们觉得呢，各位？到底发生了什么？

You you what what happened, guys?

我只能说

All I can say is

他是活着还是死了？

Is he alive or is he dead?

说到那个场景，我们反复讨论和修改了很多次，因为我们都觉得那太搞笑了。

That talking about that scene, we pitched that and repitched that scene over and over again just because we thought it was so funny.

然后呢？

And what?

文斯说不行？

Vince said no?

是这样吗？

Is that what the deal is?

不是。

No.

我们就是觉得好笑。

We just thought it was funny.

所以我

So I

不得不去

had to go

叫醒

to wake

把我叫醒。

me up.

他们不是

They not

刚出炉的。

hot off.

刚才聊到他耳朵里流出清澈的液体，还有他的手指在抖动。

Just talked about the clear liquid coming out of his ears and his fingers fluttering.

我喜欢那个。

I like that.

我也喜欢橙子掉下来的画面。

And I like the oranges falling too.

我喜欢橙子掉下来。

I like the oranges falling.

那是个不错的细节。

That was a good touch.

那个橙子掉下来的场景，是剧本里写的，还是斯科特·温内特的主意？

Was that in the script, the oranges falling, or was that Scott Wynette?

那个

That

是我在里面加的。

was I was in there.

剧本里真有那个？

That was in there?

我喜欢那段，你会让Huel开心吗？

That was I like that part about, are you gonna make you Huel happy?

让Huel开心。

Make Huel happy.

Huel，你开心吗？

Huel, are you happy?

有人举手吗？

Raise somebody?

什么让你不开心？

What makes you unhappy?

就是那个小莫特福尔没完成的时候，他偷了东西？

This this little moltfall not done when he stole?

我确实想回到最开始，因为你知道，上次我们看到这些人，他们匆匆忙忙地从多纳拉迪奥那里离开。

I did wanna jump back to the very beginning because, you know, last we saw our you know, these guys, they were pulling out of Donaladio's in a rush.

杰西在开车。

Jesse's driving the car.

格斯，你知道，已经快不行了。

Gus is, you know, on his last legs.

迈克中了枪。

Mike has been shot.

所以我们从那里开始，基本上你有一种蒙太奇的感觉，你看到一个手术中心，我们不知道发生了什么。

So we start in where basically you've got, you know, sort of a montage y feeling where you've got a surgery center, and we don't know what's going on.

然后这些人冲了进来。

And then these guys rush in.

杰西把古斯带进来，我猜他们是冲进去的。

Jesse brings Gus I guess they rush in.

他们把古斯弄进去，然后杰西又把迈克带进来。

They get Gus, but then Jesse is, you know, bringing Mike in.

我真不知道你是怎么做到的。

And I don't know how you manage that.

但是，你当时是……

But Were you were

你开那辆凯迪拉克进去，真的好玩吗？

you really how was that fun driving that caddy in there?

你真的猛踩油门冲进去的？

You really smoking it in?

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

我当时在那条沙漠土路上飞驰。

I was flying down that dirt desert road.

你可以看到车轮在滑进去的时候锁死了。

And you can see the wheels lock up when you slide it in there.

哦，那真是太好玩了。

Oh, it was so fun.

那好玩吗？

That was fun?

是的。

Yeah.

那个镜头拍了多少次？

How many takes of that?

其实挺多的。

Actually, quite a bit.

五六次吧，差不多。

Five, six, something

差不多那样。

like that.

不过，你是不是很高兴不用再开房车了？

Aren't you glad you don't have to drive the RV anymore, though?

是的。

Yes.

我讨厌开那玩意儿。

I hated driving that thing.

因为风一吹，它就对风特别敏感。

Because the wind, it was just so so sensitive to the wind.

对。

Yeah.

就像

Like a

就像一块巨大的广告牌，在路上行驶

like a giant billboard, like, riding down

一样。

the road or something.

就是说，它就像左右摇摆，晃来晃去的。

Mean, it was just, like, going left, right, like, just swaying.

你会觉得自己快要被吹翻了。

You feel like you're just gonna get blown up.

我觉得我开车技术真的很差。

I'm just a horrible driver, I guess.

但也不是说你会

But it's not like you're gonna

马上就被吹翻。

get blown up for a while.

不应该把

Shouldn't put

侧方停车的场景放进去

a parallel parking scene in for

给你。

you.

那

That

就太好了。

would be great.

所以

So

但你知道吗？

but you know what?

我还想提一下，因为我们刚开始这个节目，开头用了很多你的音乐，你懂吗，就是你一开始就营造了一种氛围，对吧？

I wanna also bring up you know, because we start this thing, and it's it's kind of like there's a lot of there's a lot of your music in the beginning of that, you know, where you kinda start a mood, don't you?

对。

Yeah.

预告片里确实有很多音乐，我们通常会在预告片里放很多配乐。

There's a lot of music in the teaser as I we usually do have a lot of score in the teaser.

但这次，我们就是直接接着上一集的结尾，从动作场面开始。

But in this case, we just like the action, picked up right where we left off the episode before.

对。

Right.

所以这其实是同一段配乐、同一首曲子的延续。

So it's actually an extension of the same cue, same piece of music.

哇。

Wow.

然后带我们进入医院场景，我很喜欢那个场景。

And takes us into the the hospital scene, which I love.

其实，关于这一集，我有一点就是它看起来太出人意料了。

Actually, one of my things about this episode is that because it just seems so unexpected.

而且看起来也完全不一样。

And it looks so different too.

整个场景都是白色的，特别亮，颜色跟刚才在唐·埃拉迪奥那里完全不一样，那里是那种被太阳晒过的感觉。

It's just so white and just bright and, like, you know, the color is just so different from Don Eladio's where we just were, and it's, like, sun baked.

现在这里是这种……但还有一点，我知道我们之前在播客里提过，但我不确定这一季有没有提过，戴夫。

Now it's this, you know but the other thing too, I I know we've mentioned before in the podcast, but, I don't know if we've mentioned it this season, Dave.

你是少数几个人之一，如果不是唯一的话，我也不确定。

You're one of the few people, if not I don't know.

可能我们团队里就你一个人，基本上不看剧集，也不读剧本。

Maybe one of the only people in our crew, you know, who basically does not watch the episode until or you don't read the scripts.

没错。

It's true.

你会等到我们发给你剧集再看。

You you wait until we send you the episode.

然后，当你看到第四季第十集结尾发生的事，你特别期待第四季第十一集。

And then and so what you know, when you when you, you know, saw what happened at the end of 04:10, you know, and you're anxiously waiting for 04:11.

顺便问一下，从我们发给你到你能看到剧集，中间隔多久？大概一周还是两周？

How long is the space, by the way, between when we send you you know, is it is it about what, a week or two weeks or something between when you get to see the episodes?

每周都有。

Know, it's every week.

我是说，我一直在动。

Mean, I'm I'm moving.

我每周看一集，其实就跟在家看剧的人一样。

It's it's I'm seeing an episode every week just like someone would at home actually.

那你通常有多少时间来给文斯提改进意见？

And then how long do you usually get to turn over cues when you have to start giving Vince cues to improve?

三四天吧。

Three or four days.

哇。

Wow.

通常是这样。

Usually.

所以，

So,

对，我们进度快的时候，真的很快。

yeah, when we're really moving, we're really moving.

而且你还是个新爸爸。

Plus plus you're a new dad.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

所以只是没睡觉，谢谢。

So only am not sleeping thank you.

我不仅因为工作原因没睡，本来也睡不着，所以一切都刚好。

Not only was I not sleeping from work reasons, I wasn't sleeping anyway, so it all it all worked out.

但是

But

所以当你看到这个的时候，

So when you saw this one and

你会觉得，你根本不知道发生了什么。

you're like, you don't know what's happening.

不。

No.

我完全不知道发生了什么。

I have no idea what's going on.

顺便说一下，我这么做不是因为懒，也不是因为我不尊重我们的编剧。

And the reason I do that, by way, is not because I'm lazy or I don't have enormous respect for our writers.

我真的很尊重他们。

I I do.

但是，我确实很依赖我第一次看的时候那种直观的感受，因为我很幸运，通常是最后参与进来的那个人。

And but but I I I take a lot from the visceral reaction that I have when I first watch it, because I'm very fortunate to be the last part of the puzzle usually.

所以当我看到那些剧集的时候，它们已经很棒了。

And so the episodes are already amazing when I see them.

我的意思是，它们已经完成了。

I mean, they're done.

它们基本上已经成型了。

They're they're practically fully formed.

所以我看到的版本和观众最终看到的版本差别不大。

So the the the version that I get to see is not dramatically different from what people see when they watch it at all.

除了它有音乐。

Except for it has music.

除了布景，差别还挺大的。

Except for the set Quite dramatically.

嗯，是的。

Well, yes.

但我想拥有和观众一样的反应，因为配乐在电视剧里很多时候就是起这个作用，要么增强氛围，要么推动剧情，要么突出戏剧性时刻，等等。

But but I wanna have that same reaction that I think the audience is gonna have because that's a lot of what score does in TV shows, either heightened or or or push action or dramatic moments or or whatever.

但这帮助我，听起来别太俗套，我第一次看的时候，其实就能隐约感觉到自己接下来要做什么。

But it helps me, not to sound corny, I I sort of hear a little bit what what I'm gonna do even when I watch it the first time.

真的吗？

Really?

你看

You see

对。

Yeah.

你脑子里会听到音乐吗？

Do you hear the music in your head?

其实不完全是音乐，而是一种质感。

It's not it's not even the the music precisely, but it's it's a quality.

是一种情绪。

It's a it's an emotion.

是一种质感。

It's a quality.

对。

Yeah.

所以当我看到预告片里的第一个场景时，因为那一整周我都在忙上一集，我立刻就知道是一样的。

And so when I saw this first scene in the teaser, because I had been spending that whole week working on the previous episode, I instantly knew that it was the same.

那是那种驱动力的延续，那种疯狂。而且那是一个特别棒的、长长的跟拍镜头，你开着凯迪拉克上来，然后拉着迈克，他的靴子里喷出血来，还有所有那些细节。

It was a continuation of the drive and the crazy And it's such a great, like, long sweeping shot of you driving up in the in the caddy and then pulling Mike with the blood squirting out of his boots and everything.

对。

Yeah.

我是说，你每一周都做得非常出色。

I mean, you do such a phenomenal job each and every week.

是的。

It's Yeah.

太不可思议了。

It's incredible.

确实。

True.

我有两件事要说。

I had two things.

我觉得等看完剪辑好的剧集再决定，而不是先看剧本，这真的很明智，因为很多时候我们在剧本阶段很喜欢的场景，最后因为时间原因没能剪进去。

I think it's a real smart thing to wait and see the edited episode instead of reading the script because very often there'll be scenes that that we love in the script stage that don't make it into the final edit for time reasons.

对。

Yep.

所以最好先看看你实际拥有的素材，而不是通过读剧本去想象可能的内容，因为这样你进入状态时是非常纯粹的。

So it's better it's better to see what you actually have versus what you will potentially have by reading the script because you you you come into it very in a very in a very pure state.

就是这样，有就是有，没有就是没有。

It's whatever it is, it's there or it's not there.

而你所回应的，是你内心最直接的感觉，然后——

And that's what you are responding to on your on your visceral level and

没错。

Exactly.

而且你不会回想，或者当你读剧本的时候，你不会想，天哪。

And you're not thinking back to or you're not thinking when you read the script, oh, man.

我知道该怎么处理这个精彩的场景。

I know what to do with this great scene.

等等。

And wait a minute.

看的时候它到底去哪儿了？

Where the hell is it when you're watching it?

对。

Right.

或者以前是这样，但因为当时你被枪击了，你不得不做些不同的事情。

Or this used to be this way, but because when you got shot at, you had to do something different.

对。

Yeah.

它变成了别的东西。

It changed into something else.

没错。

Exactly.

有时候我们会改变

Sometimes we'll change

它停留在某个旧版本或旧想法上，那已经不再是节目的一部分了。

it hung up on some older version or some older idea that's no longer part of the show.

说得好。

Good point.

所以我是，哦，对不起，文斯。

So I'm oh, I'm sorry, Vince.

请讲。

Go ahead.

不。

No.

就最后一个关于你创作过程的问题，因为我之前真的不太了解这些。

Just one last question about your process because I I didn't realize so much of this.

因为我有时候脑子里会冒出对话，然后我就开始打字。

Because I I sometimes hear dialogue in my head and I start typing it.

所以其实，我很高兴你提到这个。

So I I actually, I'm glad you brought this up.

所以你不是完全在脑子里听到音乐，但有点类似，而且你听到的是清晰的还是别的什么？还有，你怎么决定哪些场景该配音乐，哪些场景保持没有音乐的“干”状态？

So you don't quite hear music in your head, but you kinda and then also, do you hear it clear or whatever it is that occurs to you, is it is readily apparent which scenes should have music and then which scenes how did what goes into picking which scenes have music and which scenes stay as we call dry without music?

我觉得这是直觉。

I think it's a gut feeling.

我的意思是，完全解释创作过程，或者脑子里出现什么，这很难说清楚。

I mean, can't totally explain the creative process of the actual making the music or what appears in my head.

如果我能做到，我早就把它卖出去了。

If I could, I'd market it.

我早就靠这个赚钱了。

I'd be making money doing doing that.

对。

Right.

但对我来说，真正坐下来写音乐的时候，很多都是即兴发挥。

But it it is for me, it's a lot of improvisation when I do finally sit down to to write music.

有些东西行得通，有些不行，我就顺着行得通的部分往下发展，就是这样。

Some things work and some things don't, and I just sort of build on what works and Yeah.

但看剧的时候，我通常——因为我是作曲家——每一集、每一个场景我都会想到音乐。

But when I'm watching the episode, I usually I think because I'm a composer, I think about music in every episode in every scene.

当然。

Sure.

当然。

Sure.

当然，我完全知道那样不合适。

Knowing full well that, of course, that's not appropriate.

然后当我们缩小范围时，通常在我脑子里，我看了之后会有一些想法，但我想回去问最了解的人，就是你、编剧们，还有凯利或者斯基普，不管是谁剪辑的，他们跟这个作品相处更久，屏幕上的内容背后的意图是他们。

And then when we narrow it down, usually, in my head, we I after I've watched it, I have thoughts about it, but I want to then go back to the people who know best, you and the writers and and Kelly or Skip, whoever edited it, who has been working with it longer and whose intentions are behind what's on the screen.

然后我可以问，这一刻最重要的元素是什么？

And then I can ask, what is the most important element of this moment?

然后我们可以一起决定，音乐是否有助于强调你最想传达的东西，还是会有反效果。

And then we can together decide whether music would help to emphasize that what you're trying to portray the most or not, or if it would hurt.

所以，比如，有一集格斯去看蒂奥。

So, like, for example, episode where Gus goes to visit Tio.

我们在那个场景，就是疗养院的那场戏，聊了很多关于音乐的事。

We talked a lot about music in that scene in the in the the nursing home.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

最后我们决定不用音乐。

And we went without music, ultimately.

是的。

Yes.

虽然我确实为那个场景写了音乐，我们的音乐总监托马斯也找了一些音乐。

Although I did write music for that scene and so did Thomas, our music supervisor, found music.

对。

Yeah.

为那个场景找了一些可以授权的音乐选项。

License licensed possibilities for music for that scene.

但最后，那个场景本身已经足够好了，不需要再加强什么，所以我们没有用音乐。

But in the end, they were so good and there was no reason to heighten anything in that scene that we didn't use it.

这种情况对我们来说很常见。

And that's very common

对我们来说。

for us.

有意思的是，你为那个场景写的音乐很美，很有感染力，我的意思是，当我说美的时候，我是说那是一首很棒的音乐。

It's interesting because the piece of music that you wrote for that scene was beautiful and evocative and I mean, wasn't when I say beautiful, I mean, it was a great piece of music.

它不仅仅是，它确实增强了那个场景的情感。

It it wasn't it was it was it it it it reinforced the emotion of that scene.

而且，我现在回想起来，我们决定那个场景不用音乐，不用你那美妙的音乐，是因为，我记得，当时吉安卡洛扮演的格斯，那是一个非常情绪化的时刻，对格斯来说，展现赤裸的情感，或者说，赤裸的复仇欲望，以及那种虐待狂式的，你知道，对蒂奥施加惩罚，这有点不寻常。

And that was the thing that I think recalling now, the reason we decided to go dry with that scene and not use your your wonderful music was because it was an as I recall now, Giancarlo's Giancarlo playing playing Gus there was very it was a very emotional moment, which was a little unusual for Gus to play naked emotion or in this sense naked a naked need for revenge and for the sadistic, you know, taking out his his punishment on on on meeting out his punishment on on on Tio there.

所以感觉在那一刻，你知道，我们已经从他那里得到了我们需要的一切。

So it felt like at that moment, you know, we're getting everything we need from him.

如果我们再添加任何东西，再添加任何情感，可能会显得太过火了。

And if we had anything more selling, any more emotion here, it might it might feel like too much.

我觉得那就是原因。

I think that was

同意。

Agreed.

对。

Yeah.

但是，那个……

But But the

你写的音乐很棒。

the music you wrote was great.

我们试过之后才知道。

And we didn't know until we tried.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得我工作的一半就是为那些最终没有配乐或者用了其他音乐的场面写音乐，很多时候你不试就不知道。

And that's I think half of my job is to write music for scenes that that don't end up having music or end up having some other kind of music you don't a lot of times you just don't know until you try.

确实。

True.

你可以随便猜，但当你最终把两者结合起来的时候，你才会知道。

And and you can guess all you want, but when you finally marry the two things together, then you know.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

直到那时才明白。

Not until then.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以，Aaron，我想稍微回到这一集的开始，因为Jesse现在开始意识到这里有一个更大的计划，而他并没有真正参与其中。

So, Aaron, I'd like to get I'd like to jump back a little bit into the very beginning of the episode because Jesse now is sort of starting to understand that there's a larger plan afoot here that he was really not involved in.

就是你们两位写的那场戏，Jesse意识到有给Gus的血，有给Mike的血，还有给……今年有太多微妙的细节了。

It's that scene that, you know, you gentlemen wrote, the scene where Jesse realizes that there's blood for Gus, there's blood for Mike, and there's blood There's for so many subtleties this year.

而现在，你知道，Jesse开始理解很多事情了。

And now, you know, there's so many things that Jesse is starting to understand.

文斯，你们是怎么开始这个的？

What's how did that start, Vince, with you guys?

是很早就开始了吗？

Does it start early?

还有

And

比如，杰西慢慢意识到古斯下棋有多深，有多厉害。对。

The subtlety, for instance, of of of of of of Jesse realizing how how deep up up chess player Yeah.

古斯塔沃有多厉害。

Gustavo is.

对。

Yeah.

而且因为

And also because

他给自己建了一所医院。

he built a hospital for himself.

没错。

Exactly.

就在一个卡车仓库的中间。

In the middle of a in the middle of a a truck barn.

我就是这个意思。

And that's what I'm saying.

这里面有太多微妙之处了。

There's so many subtleties.

但现在，你知道，杰西真的开始意识到，背后有很多事情在暗中进行。

But now, you know, Jesse is really seeing that, you know, that there's been a lot of play in the background.

可以这么说吧。

Let's put it that way, I guess.

很多幕后操作，对。

A lot of a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering Yeah.

还有各种算计和

And machinations and

这对你们来说难吗？

Is that difficult for you guys?

不难。

No.

我觉得挺有意思的。

I think it's fun.

对。

Yeah.

我

I

我的意思是，我们这一季一开始就看到古斯长期计划的一个阶段。

mean, we start the season with seeing, you know, a a phase of Gus's long term plan.

而且，我们从来没有——我不知道答案，但我想医院可能是在古斯之前就建好的，或者医院的计划可能比沃尔特更早。

And, I mean, we never I don't I don't know the answer to this, but, like, I imagine that the hospital was built before Gus may have even or the plans for the hospital maybe predate Walt.

你知道吗？

You know?

真的吗？

Really?

我是说，当然。

I mean Sure.

对。

Mhmm.

因为这是，是的。

Because this is Yeah.

这是一个长期的，我觉得。

This is a long I think

也许吧。

Maybe so.

我觉得古斯肯定知道他在建超级实验室。

I think Gus would have have to have known that he's building the super lab.

他会被卡特尔打压，因为他要把他们踢出去。

He's gonna get pushed back from the cartel because he's gonna cut them out.

所以到了某个时候，他不得不像在庄园对付唐·埃拉迪奥那样行事。

So at a certain point, he's gonna have to do what he does at the Hacienda with Don Eladio.

所以这总是很有趣。

So it's it's always fun.

你知道，就像上一集我们聊到的，古斯铺好毛巾，一切都计划好了。

You know, like in the previous episode where where we talked about, you know, Gus laying down the the towel and everything's planned out.

这体现了古斯那部分，他下的棋有多深，而且很多这些事，我是说，杰西那部分纯粹是精彩的即兴发挥，你知道，就是用柠檬做柠檬水，和杰西一起。

It's like that that part of Gus in terms of how deep a game he's playing and a lot of this stuff, I mean, the Jesse of it is just brilliant improvisation, you know, you know, in terms of making lemonade out of lemons with Jesse.

但我认为他一直计划着给唐·埃拉迪奥下毒。

But I think he was always planning on point poisoning Doniladio.

唐·埃拉迪奥。

Doniladio.

这就是整个提奥背景故事的意义所在。

What the whole Tio backstory is about.

亚伦学到的一件事是，这很有趣，因为，你知道，几集前，你和布莱恩有一场精彩的戏，布莱恩说，这一切都是关于我的。

And one thing that Aaron's learning is it's fun because, you know, a couple episodes ago, you had the great scene with Brian where Brian's like, it's all about me.

对。

Yeah.

你正在学习，布莱恩其实是在古斯的掌控之下，这并不全是关于布莱恩的。

You're learning really, Brian's kind of in Gus's world, it's not all about Brian.

这一切都关乎另一件事，而你正在学习，你知道，你正在学的这些东西。

It's all about this other thing, and you're learning, you know, these things that you're learning.

他有更大的

He's got a much larger

这是世界的缓慢。

It's a slow of the world.

慢点，布莱恩。

Slow Brian.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

所以

So

对。

Yeah.

Aaron，整个赛季发生的事情，你在开始的时候知道多少，还是你也是边拍边学的？

Aaron, how much of what's happening in the whole season do you know at the beginning, or do you just learn it?

对。

Yeah.

我是跟着剧本学的。

I I learn it as the script.

对。

Yeah.

边拍边学。

As as it goes.

哇。

Wow.

你觉得这有帮助还是有阻碍？

Did do you think that helps or hinders?

不。

No.

我觉得有帮助。

I think I think it helps.

真的吗？

Really?

对。

Yeah.

我觉得挺好的。

Think I it's great.

我迫不及待想看下一集发生什么。

I I think I I I can't wait to see what happens in the next episode.

所以我们通常会同时拿到两到三集的提纲，就是每集大概讲什么的简要概述。

So we get these we get usually two or three outlines at once, which is just a rough summary of what the episode is about.

我尽量不一次性全看完，但有时候实在忍不住，因为你知道，我跟其他人一样。

And I try not read them all at once, but sometimes I can't help myself because know, I'm just like anyone else.

我就是特别想看，简直垂涎欲滴。

I'm just I'm dying to I'm just salivating.

我特别想知道这些角色和这个故事接下来会发生什么。

I'm I'm dying to know what what's gonna happen with these, these characters and this story.

不过，是的。

But, yeah.

我完全不知道这部剧会往哪个方向发展，一开始的时候一点头绪都没有。

I'm I have no idea where this this show is heading, you know, at the beginning at all.

但是，在那个时候，你意识到这一切可能从一开始就安排好了，我是说，你连自己的血型都不知道，而他们却知道你的血型。

But, like, at that point, do you I mean, you know, in in in 04/11, at that point where you realize this whole thing has been set up probably from I mean, you don't even know your own blood type, and they know blood type.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

你知道吗？

You know?

对。

Yeah.

我是说，杰西是不是开始意识到这事有多深了？

I mean, does it is it starting to dawn on Jesse as far as, like, how deep this goes?

你觉得杰西是不是觉得累了？

And do you think Jesse, like, feels tired?

他是不是特别想摆脱这些人？

Is he is he, like, so wanting to be done with these people?

不知道。

Don't know.

这个我不太清楚。

I don't know about that.

我觉得这已经成了他生活的一部分了，而且他也在接受这一点，但他就是被那种聪明劲儿深深吸引住了。

I mean, I think he's it's a part of his world now, you know, and I think he's he's accepting that, but I think it's he's just so intrigued by how brilliant

我也这么觉得。

I think so too.

你说得对。

Think you're right.

对。

Yeah.

就像

It's like

做了二十个左右。

making 20 or something.

恨一个人。

Hate a guy.

对。

Yeah.

如果你恨一个人，那你得佩服一个给自己建单人医院的人。

If you hate a guy, you gotta your hat's gotta be off to a guy who builds himself his own one man hospital.

对。

Yeah.

芒西有个排班表，就像山姆说的，而且有工作人员，还提前给每个可能中枪送进来的人配好了血型交叉匹配。

Muncie had a schedule, like Sam said, and staffs it and and has blood types of cross match for everybody who might potentially come in with a bullet in their gut.

你

You

知道吗？

know?

对。

Yeah.

你不得不佩服这样的人。

You gotta you gotta your hat has gotta be off to a dude like that.

没错。

Right.

即使

Even if

就算你想让他死，也得佩服他。

you even if you want him dead.

确实。

Absolutely.

他

He

给自己建了一所医院。

builds himself a hospital for himself.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

而且他还配备了人员，让他们随时待命，显然是因为他们不知道什么时候会用到。

And and staffs it and makes them they're on call, obviously, because they didn't know when, you know?

他安排这些，显然和那位医生有多年的交情。

He's setting it up so that he clearly had a relationship with that the doctor from years.

对。

Yeah.

我喜欢演那个角色的演员。

I love the actor who plays

对。

Yeah.

他确实演得很好。

He's really good.

演得太棒了，他真是……

So great great job he So

我喜欢杰西身上的那种特质，和沃尔特完全相反。杰西从来不装自己是房间里最聪明的人。

love that that that quality in Jesse that's just the opposite of of Walt where it's like, Jesse has no pretense of being the smartest guy in the room at all.

他对自己在智力上的位置看得很清楚。

He's he's got a really kind of clear eyed picture of where he falls intellectually.

是的。

Yeah.

你

You

知道吗？

know?

对。

Yeah.

完全同意。

Totally.

他

He's

就像，哇。

like, wow.

那家伙真聪明。

That guy's smart.

不像沃尔特，当沃尔特遇到格斯做的某件高明的事时，他简直要气炸了。

As opposed to Walt, when Walt comes across something brilliant that Gus has done, Walt's, like, hair or head's about to explode.

对吧？

Right?

太没安全感了。

So insecure.

他真的太没安全感了。

He's so insecure.

你知道吗，你之前提到过这个，文斯，当时鲍勃也在，但我有点想回到这个话题。

You know, you brought this up a little bit earlier, Vince, when, Bob was here, but I kinda wanna jump back to it.

我很好奇，而且，你知道，也许你不想回答这个，但我很好奇，因为我看剧本的时候从来没想过，当斯凯勒说“你在勒索我吗？”的时候。

I'm curious, and, you know, maybe you don't wanna answer this, but I'm curious because it never occurred to me when I read the script, where when Skyler says, are you blackmailing me?

他是在勒索斯凯勒吗？

Is he blackmailing Skyler?

嗯，应该让这些

Well, should let these

家伙知道。

guys know.

我的意思是，

I mean,

我很喜欢这种不确定的感觉。

I I love the fact that I don't know.

说实话，我觉得自己有点傻，居然不知道答案，但我就是喜欢这种让我感兴趣的地方。

I mean, you know, I feel, like, kind of stupid that I don't know, but I, like, I love the fact that that's kind of an interesting to me.

然后我就想，哇。

And I'm like, wow.

他是在威胁吗？

Is he?

在回答这个问题之前，我还想特别提一下扮演古斯私人医生的那位演员。

Before they answer that, I wanna give a shout out to the guy who played Gus' personal doctor too, by way.

那位演员演得非常好。

That actor did a really good job.

是

Was

就是那个JB·布兰克。

that JB Blank.

JB。

JB.

JB演得非常好。

JB did a great job.

他让我想起，如果他们要拍一部关于《夺宝奇兵》拍摄过程的电影，让他来演萨拉赫，那岂不是完美？

He reminds me, wouldn't he be perfect if they were making a movie about the making of Raiders of Lost Ark for him to play Salah?

那个人。

That guy.

萨拉赫。

Salah.

演员。

Actor.

约翰·里斯-戴维斯。

John John Reese Davies.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

印地。

Indy.

毒蛇。

Asps.

非常危险。

Very dangerous.

对。

Yeah.

你先走。

You go first.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

他是不是会很棒？

He'd be wouldn't he be great?

他正是那样。

He's exactly that.

我喜欢那家伙。

I love that guy.

他很好。

He's good.

对。

Yeah.

他是英国人。

He's British.

对吧？

Right?

那个演员？

The actor?

是的，他是。

He is.

对。

Yeah.

你是说，我的意思是，印第安纳波利斯。

You mean, I mean, Indianapolis

嗯，在琼斯那边。

Well, in in Jones.

当然，约翰·里斯·戴维斯是，但他不也是英国的吗？

Absolutely, the John Reese Davies is, but he's not also JB British?

有英国口音。

Had a British accent.

所以

So

是吗？

Did he?

真的吗？

He did?

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

哇。

Wow.

我没见过他，但我不知道。

I didn't meet him, but he's I didn't know.

好了，回到你的问题，那个问题问得很好。

Anyway, back to your question, which was a good one.

泰德·布莱克终于成为学者了吗？

Is is Ted Black finally scholar?

他想要更多的钱吗？

Does he want more money?

我没想到这一点。

It didn't occur to me.

然后我就想，哇。

And now I was like, wow.

那太酷了。

That's cool.

我，我，你知道吗？

I I, You know?

你知道，泰德是那种我们都想把他写成混蛋的角色，但文斯好几次都劝我们别这么做，因为他是另一个男人，你总想把他写成个讨厌鬼。

You know, Ted is like it's one of those characters that we've all been tempted to, and Vince has kind of literally talked talked us out of it many times, which is like, you kinda wanna make Ted a douchebag just because he's the other guy.

而且，你知道，把他写成混蛋或坏人很容易。

And, you know, there's something about the you know, it's very easy to make him a douchebag or a bad guy.

你知道吗？

You know?

所以我们想在这一场戏里保持一种模糊的态度，就是关于他到底是不是真的在敲诈，我觉得这个问题其实挺开放的。

So but we wanted to kinda straddle the line with this scene about, you know, whether or not you know, I think this is kind of an open question about whether or he's really blackmailing.

我觉得他多少得是。

I think he kinda has to be.

对吧？

Right?

我也这么觉得。

I think so too.

我觉得，就像

I think that, like

但我

But I

他自己可能都没意识到，但是，就像

he may not know it himself, but, like

这就像是在说，好吧，我得让孩子退学，而且我还得为此付钱。

It's like saying, well, I have to kick the kids out of school, and I have to pay for that.

而且我注意到你并没有把所有的钱都还给我。

And I and I noticed you didn't give me all the money back.

还有买奔驰的那笔钱。

There's the money for the Mercedes.

你是不打算还了吧。

You aren't gonna be returning that.

对吧？

Right?

哦，好吧，这些东西很难

Oh, well, these things are very difficult to

弄到。

get.

是的。

Yeah.

知道。

Know.

但他演得真的很好，因为他看起来一点都不鬼鬼祟祟的。

But he doesn't play he plays it really well because there's nothing kind of, like, shifty eyed about him too.

我最喜欢的那句台词，你第一次说的时候，我整个人都愣住了。

My favorite line, every time you when you first said it, it floored me.

然后就在这里，这里是我们录制播客的编剧室。

And then right here, where this is our Writer's Room where we tape these podcasts.

就在这个编剧室里，有一句台词，她说：泰德，你是黑人吗，梅兰妮？

Right here in the writer's Room with a line about where she says, Ted, are you black, Melanie?

不是。

No.

什么？

What?

你知道的，等等等等。

You know, blah blah blah.