绝命毒师内幕播客 4

对，没错。

Gotta Yeah.

把他请回来吧。

Bring him back.

你知道的，我们确实得这么做。

You know, we gotta yeah.

他真的很棒。

He was a great.

他一直在忙。

He works all the time.

他是个很不错的年轻演员。

He was a fine young actor.

对，我记得我见到他的时候。

Yeah, remember when I when I saw him.

我想，大概是我们和他合作后的下一周，我就在《决斗犹马镇》里看到他了。

I think, like, the next week after we worked with him, I think I saw him in that three ten to Yuma or something.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

那部电影也是在新墨西哥州拍的。

And that was shot also out in New Mexico.

是的。

Yeah.

他是新墨西哥州当地雇的。

He's a local hire in New Mexico.

你知道吗？

You know what?

不过我想提一下，因为杰西的妈妈进来把他叫醒，让他赶紧滚出家门，还让他把钥匙留下。

I wanna bring this up though because Jesse's mom comes in and and wakes him up and tells him to get the hell out of the house and, you know, leave his keys.

不过在那集的最开头，有一张亚伦的小照片，对。

But in in the very beginning of that episode, we have a a little photograph of Aaron with Yes.

很高兴你提到这个。

I'm glad you're bringing that up.

对。

Yeah.

导演约翰·多尔拍了房间的各种镜头，因为这是我们第一次看到杰西的卧室。

John Doll, the director, had had various shots of the room sort of because this is the first time we've ever seen Jesse's bedroom.

没错。

Right.

而且

And

而且那看起来不太像杰西的卧室。

and It doesn't really look like Jesse's bedroom.

看起来像他姑姑的卧室。

Looks like his aunt's bedroom.

说得对。

Good point.

说得对。

Good point.

你知道吗？

You know?

杰西的家，他住的是个好房子。

Jesse's house, he lives in a nice house.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

我们得说说我们失去了杰西的房子这件事。

We gotta talk about the fact that we lost Jesse's house.

我们真的失去了杰西的房子。

We literally lost Jesse's house.

我们还没有呢。

We haven't yet.

是的。

Yes.

嗯，对。

Well, yeah.

好的。

Okay.

跟我说说。

Tell me.

我们得把他搬出去。

We gotta move him out.

我们搬出去是有原因的。

There was a reason that we moved out.

因为在这一集里，他确实搬出去了。

Because he does move out in this episode.

对。

Yeah.

但他随时都可以搬回来。

But he could always move back.

嗯，事情是这样的。

Well, here's the thing.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这是个好故事。

This is a good story to tell.

很高兴你提到这个，因为我本来要剧透的。

I'm glad you brought that up because I was gonna Spoiler.

剧透警告。

Spoiler alert.

父母可以让他回来。

The parents could let him come back in.

对。

Yeah.

嗯，确实是这样。

Well, that's true.

存在，兄弟。

Exist, man.

对。

Yeah.

但他说你在剧透。

But he's saying you're spoiling.

我知道，他们知道了。

I had it had it they know.

给我们可爱的观众剧透吧。

Spoil it for our lovely viewers.

剧透吧。

Spoil it.

哦，好的。

Oh, okay.

嗯，不过，你知道，事情是这样的。

Well, now but, you know, here's the thing.

电视节目的运作方式很有趣，你可能觉得有些观众会认为，一切从一开始就计划好了。

It's funny how TV shows work in that, you know, you think some people view and might think, well, everything's planned out from the get go.

但实际上，某些现实情况会浮现出来。

But certain, you know, reality emerge.

比如，杰西住的那栋房子，我们早在试播集里就设定好的那栋。

In this case, the house that Jesse lives in, the house that we established way back when in the pilot.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

从试播集开始，然后

Ever since the pilot and

都在试播集里吗？

all in the pilot?

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

就是试播集里

It's where the pilot

他来找我，我正在盖那辆车。

comes and finds me, and I'm covering up the car.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

杰西的姨妈家，自从她去世后他就一直住在那里，她算是把这房子留给了他。

Jesse's aunt's house, who he has lived in ever since she passed away, that she sort of bequeathed to him.

第二季刚开始没多久，我们就遇到了一个情况：现实中那栋房子的主人把它挂牌出售了。

We ran into the situation very early in season two here that the owners of in real life of the actual house put it up for sale.

然后隔壁邻居买了下来，直接开始掀屋顶、重新装修。

And the next door neighbors bought it and just started ripping the roof off and remodeling it.

而且说实话，他们完全有权利这么做。

And and by the way, absolutely, they're right.

你知道，这房子是人家的。

You know, they own the place.

我们又没签什么合同之类的。

We don't have a contract on it or anything.

然后突然之间，我们就傻眼了。

And suddenly, we're like, woah.

哇。

Woah.

哇。

Woah.

哇。

Woah.

哇。

Woah.

我们现在该怎么办？

What do we do now?

所以，这里稍微透露一点幕后情况：如果不是因为我们知道我们只剩一天，真的只剩一天能在他家拍摄，我们可能不会在剧情上让杰西搬出他的房子，而是在这一集里让他被父母赶出来。

So, you know, a little peek behind the curtain here is that I don't know that we would have Jesse move out of his house, story wise, but get kicked out of his house in this episode by his mom and dad, if not for the fact that we knew this was we we had one more day, literally, one more day we could shoot in Jesse's house.

而这一集就是最后的机会。

And this episode was it.

其实，不是这样的。

Actually, no.

我们在第二季第三集拍过一场戏。

There was a scene in episode two zero three that we shot.

我们知道这很混乱，这里我就不详细说了。

We knew this is all very confusing, and I don't need to go into great detail here.

但第二季的第一个场景，第一个镜头，不是布莱恩的第二季第一集。

But the very first scene the very first shot of of season two was not Brian's episode two zero one.

那是特里·麦克多诺拍的一天，记得吗，你和马特·琼斯在演Badger，开着他那辆Goldfierro，你把车停在街对面，警察在敲门，Badger说，嘿，哥们。

It was Terry McDonough shot one day of remember, it was you and Matt Jones playing Badger in the Goldfierro that he drives, and you're parked across the street where the cops are knocking, and Badger says, yo, man.

你干了什么？

What'd you do?

抢银行了？

Rob a bank?

然后，嗯。

And Mhmm.

那是我们拍的第一场戏。

That was the very first thing we shot.

我们不得不非常混乱地按顺序拍摄，因为那是我们最后一次或倒数第二次被允许在这栋房子里拍摄。

We had to shoot it grotesquely out of order, this thing, because that was the last or the second to last day we'd ever be allowed to shoot in this, in this house.

那只是个有趣的插曲，但让我非常自豪、很高兴能在杰西的卧室里呈现的是，我们停留在他生活中的不同元素上，我们看到一张杰西和他珍妮姨妈的照片。

That's just a funny side story, but the what I'm very proud of, what I'm happy about to have in Jesse's bedroom is there's we linger on different elements of Jesse's life, and we see a photo of Jesse with his aunt Jenny.

那是我姨妈珍妮·兰伯特的照片，这是对她的一点致敬，因为她嫁给了我在弗吉尼亚的叔叔加里·兰伯特，她去年因肺癌去世了。

And that's a photo of my aunt Jenny, Jenny Lambert, who it's a little tribute to her because she was married to my uncle Gary Gary Lambert back in Virginia, and she she passed away from lung cancer last year.

你知道，不用说，我们为失去她感到非常难过，而且她走得太早了。

And it's just you know, we're very goes without saying, we're very sorry to lose her, and we lost her too early.

但这是一个很好的致敬，我想，我只是觉得能把她放进剧里真是太好了。

But it was a nice tribute that I wanted I mean, I wanted it was just nice just nice to be able to put her in the show.

她看到试播集了吗，文斯？

Did she get to see the pilot, Vince?

她……我觉得她没有，天哪。

She I I don't think she Jesus.

拍摄试播集的时候，她已经病得很重了。

I it was very she was very ill about the time we were shooting the pilot.

很遗憾，我觉得她没能看到。

I don't think she got to see it, unfortunately.

不过无论如何，就这样吧。

But at any rate, it was anyway.

但Photoshop真的很厉害，因为显然Aaron从没见过她。

But it was it's great what Photoshop can do because, obviously, Aaron never met her.

但我们的美术部门把她的旧照片和他合成在一起，做得很好。

But we our art department did a nice job photoshopping an old photo of her together with him.

总之，那是个不错的小细节。

And anyway, was a nice little bit.

所以，是的。

So but yeah.

那么，在那一幕里，Tess Harper打了你一巴掌，她是真打吗？

So that scene when Tess Harper slaps you across the face, did she really slap you?

她确实打了。

She did.

对。

Yeah.

是吗？

Yeah?

对。

Yeah.

打了几次？

How many times?

其实很多巴掌都是假打的，但确实有几条是真打的。

Well, actually, a lot of the slaps are kind of, you know, false but you know, there's definitely some takes.

我就说，你就直接来吧。

I'm like, just just, you know, just just go for it.

你怎么做的？

What do you do?

就是假打那种。

Like a false slap.

你是说像她根本没碰到你，还是手指轻轻带过那种？

You mean like you where she didn't touch at all or where she let her fingers go kind of loose?

不是。

No.

就是，你知道，我算好时机，脸稍微偏一下。

We're, you know, I I just kinda time it where I kinda move my face.

明白了。

Gotcha.

同时他们可能就加一点小小的

At the same time and they might just add like a little

对。

Yeah.

一点音效。

A little sound effect.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

后期制作里，但确实有那么几次。

In post but there's definitely a couple couple times.

我觉得是节目里那个。

The one that's in the show, I think.

看起来她好像真的打中你了。

Looks like it looks like she's nailing you.

她那次可没留情。

She she's left you on that one.

对。

Yeah.

那可能确实是……

It definitely might have been the

你们俩配合得真好。

You guys are great together.

我是说，真的，真的，这一集，我是说，Aaron，你知道，我就是，他听腻了，但Aaron就是，太棒了。

I mean, really, really this see this episode is I mean, Aaron, you know, I just you know, he's tired of hearing it, but Aaron is, like, so good.

Brian也太棒了。

Brian is so good.

Anna，Dean，Betsy，RJ，Middie。

Anna, Dean, Betsy, RJ, Middie.

我们，我们太幸运了。

We're we're so lucky.

我觉得我们拥有电视上最好的演员阵容。

I think we got the best cast on TV.

我有偏见。

I'm biased.

当然，我会这么说，但我真的觉得这是事实。

Of course, I'm gonna say that, but but I actually think it's true.

而且你们俩在一起，你和Brian在一起，就像金子一样。

And you two together, you and Brian together like gold.

我爱你们。

I love you guys

天才啊，兄弟。

genius, man.

对。

Yeah.

你们俩在一起，兄弟。

You guys together, man.

对。

Yeah.

但这一集确实是杰西逐渐堕落的过程，你知道，他无家可归了。

But this is this episode really is Jesse's gradual descent, you know, and he's homeless.

他被赶出了家门。

He's kicked out of his house.

他爸妈对他进行了很多严厉的爱。

A lot of very tough love administered by his mom and dad.

而且你不会恨他们，恰恰相反。

And you don't you don't hate them for quite the opposite.

他们这么做是对的。

They're right to do it.

我的意思是，这就是我喜欢这一集的地方，还有很多其他方面。

I mean, that's the thing I like about this episode amongst many other things.

山姆写剧本写得真好。

Sam did a real good job writing it.

约翰导演也导得很好。

John did a great job directing it.

而且因为你们，因为你们的表演，我就像和杰西在一起一样。

And and because of you guys and the way you act it, it's like, I'm with Jesse.

我为杰西感到难过。

I feel sorry for Jesse.

我不想看到他被赶出家门。

I don't wanna see him kicked out of his home.

我不想看到他受虐待，被忽视，或者别的什么。

I don't wanna see him abused and and neglected and whatever.

但我也不是觉得他父母有多坏。

But it's not like I feel like his parents are evil or anything.

他们也没做错什么，那种情况下还能怎么办？

They're not doing I I what else do you do in that kind of scenario?

挺奇怪的。

It's weird.

你会为那个孩子感到难过。

You feel bad for the kid.

他是英雄。

He's the hero.

他是主角，就算不是英雄，也是这集的主角。

You've he's he's our protagonist, if not our hero, in this episode.

而且他的父母，你知道，我也不怪他们，因为……

And and yet his parents are you know, I don't fault them for

他们做的事。

what they do.

他是个毒贩。

He's a drug dealer.

嘿。

Hey.

他地下室有个制毒实验室。

He's got a meth lab in his basement.

他们整栋房子都可能被没收，就因为你做了那种事？

They can get their whole house seized for why did you do that?

那太糟糕了。

That's terrible.

我知道。

I know.

你真是……不。

You are No.

真是威利·旺卡啊，老兄。

Are Willy Wonka, man.

你知道，我只是不想在这点上疏忽，文斯。

You know, I just don't wanna be remiss in in this part though, Vince.

你们给Junior，也就是Walter Junior，起了个新名字。

You guys came up with a new name for Junior, for Walter Junior.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

我只是想提一下，因为这是第一次，是的。

Just wanna pass that over because this is the first time that Yes.

我们了解到Walter Junior基本上已经自己出去闯了，决定要个新名字。

That we learned that basically Walter Junior has kind of, you know, gone out on his own and decided that he wants a new name.

这想法是从哪儿来的？

What where did that come from?

我只是觉得这是个有点奇怪又随机的想法。

I just it was kinda odd and random thought that we had.

我不记得这是编剧室里谁的主意了。

I don't remember whose idea it was in the writer's room.

在编剧室里，想法常常是自由发挥的，你都会忘了谁说了什么。

So often in the writer's room, ideas are just sort of free form and you you forget who said what.

但是，你知道，我就是个二世。

But, you know, I'm a junior.

我爸叫乔治·文森特·吉利根，我是乔治·文森特·吉利根二世。

My dad's name is George Vincent Gilligan, and I'm George v Gilligan, Jr.

从小到大，我都不记得这是什么时候开始的。

And growing up, I don't even remember when it started.

我那时候太小了，根本记不得，但大家都叫我文斯，好跟乔治区分开。

I was too young to even remember, but everyone called me Vince to differentiate me from George.

而且，你知道，我觉得到了一定的时候，不管你多爱你爸，你自然都会想建立自己的身份。

And, you know, I think at a certain point, no matter how much you love your dad, it's just natural that you wanna create your own identity.

我觉得这并不代表沃尔特·Jr不愛他爸，或者不尊重他爸，或者别的什么。

And I think it's not any kind of a signal or a sign that Walter Junior doesn't love his dad or doesn't respect him or anything.

但也许他只是想要自己的，你知道，更多一点自己的身份认同。

But maybe he just wants his own you know, create his own identity a little more.

所以他开始用弗林这个名字。

So he's starting to go by Flynn.

为什么是弗林？

Why Flynn?

我不知道。

I don't know.

就是个有趣的名字。

It's just a fun name.

嗯，我很喜欢演刘易斯的那个演员。

Well, I love this actor that, you know, plays Lewis.

他就有那种很随意的感觉，比如问‘弗林在吗？’

He just has this very nonchalant way of, like, is Flynn here?

他是你的……他在这儿。

He's your he's here.

他演得太好了。

He's so good.

一直没机会见到

Never got to meet

他。

him.

我也没见过。

I didn't either.

他的名字

His name

叫什么来着？

is What's his name?

凯勒。

Caleb.

凯勒·琼斯。

Caleb Jones.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

因为你知道还有一件特别好笑的事，就是我在另一个节目里看到他了。

Because you know what was really funny too was I saw him on another show.

他出演了《胜利之光》。

He's on Friday Night Lights.

对。

Yeah.

他确实在《胜利之光》里。

He's on Friday night lights.

我很高兴他有戏拍。

I'm glad that he's working.

他是个好演员。

He's a good actor.

他确实是的。

He was.

我们很幸运。

We're blessed.

我们有很多好演员。

We get a lot of good actors.

有很多好人。

There's a lot of good folks.

我记得在另一个播客里说过，我们，你知道，我们尽可能从洛杉矶请人过来，但那样做很贵，因为得给他们买机票。

We I think it was saying in another podcast, we, you know, we we bring folks in from Los Angeles whenever we can, but it's very expensive to do that because you have to fly them in.

所以有机票钱，还有酒店住宿费，还有他们的伙食费。

So there's airfare, and then there's putting them up in the hotel, and there's Paying for their food.

伙食费和住宿费，还要租车，哦，对。

Paying for their food and lodging, putting a rental car Oh, yeah.

保险，等等等等。

Insurance, yada yada yada.

所以我们很少这么做。

So we we do it sparingly.

雪莉·罗兹，我们出色的选角导演。

Sherry Rhodes, our wonderful casting.

我们应该聊聊选角的事。

We have we should talk about casting.

我们在洛杉矶有莎伦·比亚利和雪莉·托马斯，他们为我们从洛杉矶和纽约选角，做得非常出色。

We have Sharon Bialy, Sherry Thomas in Los Angeles who do a wonderful job casting our folks out of Los Angeles and New York.

而且他们是最初为我们找到亚伦的人。

And they they are the ones who found Aaron for us in the first place.

对。

Yeah.

他们带来了，是的。

They brought yeah.

对。

Yeah.

天哪。

God.

是他们把我带进来的。

They brought me in.

他们把你带进来了，我记得，对，你当时头发很长，我还记得看你的简历，发现你演过《X档案》。

They they brought you in, and I remember, yeah, long hair, and I remember looking on your resume that you'd been in an x file.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我得说，我记得，因为我的好朋友汤姆·施瑙兹，我大学时的同学。

And I have to say and I remember because my my good buddy, Tom Schnauze, who I went to college with.

对。

Yeah.

他写的那个。

He wrote that.

那集《X档案》我也记得。

I remember that x files too.

对。

Yeah.

那集《X档案》就是他写的。

He wrote that X Files.

太狠了，太狠了。

Nasty nasty nasty.

我朋友，我朋友叫艾伦，他在那集《X档案》里的角色名字。

And my my buddy and my buddy named Aaron's character in the X Files episode.

他给自己取名叫“天空元帅温基”，那是我朋友们给我起的一个奇怪的外号。

He he he called himself Sky Marshal Winky, which was like some weird nickname they had for me, my buddies had for me.

就是一群 loser，但挺有意思的，不过我……

And just a bunch of losers or so great, but I

那真的，那真的有点……

that really that really kinda

这肯定会让人记住的。

That is gonna stick.

我很高兴我真的打破了

I'm glad that I really broke

僵局。

the ice.

我之前和梅丽莎·伯恩斯坦合作过一部短片，叫《糖果漆》。

And I had worked with Melissa Bernstein before on a on a short film called Candy Paint.

没错。

That's right.

她跟我说，我什么时候能看到那部片子？

She told me, when do when do I get to see that?

其实，那次会议之后她给了我一份拷贝，然后

I actually she gave me a copy after that meeting and

梅丽莎·伯恩斯坦是我们这个节目的制片人之一。

Melissa Bernstein is one of our producers here on the show.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以，你知道，这太疯狂了。

And so it's just, you know, it it's so crazy.

就像，所有的巧合都凑到一起了。

Like, just all the cosmos were were in line.

这是个小镇。

It's a small town.

好莱坞其实有时候就像个小城镇。

Hollywood is actually, it's a small town sometimes.

很多时候，你们之间可能隔不到六个人。

It'll lay you can there's less fewer than six degrees of separation a lot of time.

真的吗？

Really?

对。

Yeah.

抱歉。

I'm sorry.

最后补充一下，Bialy和Thomas是我们非常优秀的选角导演，负责所有主要角色的选定。

Just to finish, thought Bialy and Thomas are our excellent casting folks who cast all of our major characters.

布莱恩·克兰斯顿不算在内，因为我从一开始就心里有数，但其他演员都是她找来的。

Not so much Bryan Cranston because I had him in mind from the beginning, but she she found all you other folks.

而且他们还会启用我们本地的演员，那些主要客串明星都是从洛杉矶和纽约请来的。

And they still cast our folks who we bring in our major guest stars we bring in from Los Angeles and New York.

然后我们有雪莉·罗兹，她是我们非常棒的选角导演，人特别厉害。

And then we have Sherry Rhodes, our great casting lady in Great.

她这个人挺有个性的。

She's she's a character.

她真的非常出色。

She's a She's incredible.

她身高两英尺半，一头火红的头发。

Two and a half feet tall and got flame red hair.

她可爱得不得了，而且她以前是斯皮尔伯格的选角导演，帮他选了好多电影的演员。

She's as cute as you can be, and she used to be Spielberg's she she cast so many movies for Spielberg.

不会吧。

No way.

千真万确，从《糖蜜快车》开始她就是他的选角负责人了。

Honest to god, she was his casting person going back to Sugar Land Express.

什么？

What?

我记得《大白鲨》也是她选的角。

I believe she cast Jaws, I believe.

还有《第三类接触》。

And and Close Encounters.

BT？

BT?

我不知道。

I don't know.

我觉得到了某个时候，她就去做别的事情了。

I at a certain point, she went off to do other things, I think.

但我知道《第三类接触》，因为我当时就想，天哪。

But I I know Close Encounters because I was like, holy crap.

真的吗？

Really?

《第三类接触》是

Encounters was

太棒了。

amazing.

这是一部很棒的电影。

It's a great movie.

所以，总之，雪莉在选阿尔伯克基当地演员方面做得很好。

So, anyway, Sherry does a great job casting the local Albuquerque folks.

然后她的搭档，我一时想不起她的搭档是谁了。

And then her partner, I'm drawing a blank on her partners.

我其实从来没见过她。

I've I've never actually met her.

她全职在得克萨斯州的奥斯汀。

She's full time in Austin, Texas.

而她

And she

从得克萨斯州带来了一些人，她帮我们找到了查尔斯·贝克，他演的是瘦皮特。

brings in the folks from Texas, and she found, Charles Baker for us who plays Skinny Pete.

我听说她找到了那个，路易斯，那个

I heard that she found the that's where Lewis, the

那个人，对。

guy Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以说了这么多，就是想说明刘易斯会来是因为他住在得克萨斯，而且他拍《胜利之光》，那部剧就是在得克萨斯拍的。

So all this long winded thing to say Lewis came because Lewis, I guess, lives in Texas and and shoots Friday Night Lights, which is shot in Texas.

我觉得是在奥斯汀拍的。

I think it's shot in Austin.

对。

Yeah.

奥斯汀。

Austin.

我也这么觉得。

Think so.

然后他来帮我们忙，表现得非常好。

And then he came in to help us out and did a he's very good.

非常自然。

Very natural.

好吧，你知道，我们得说到正题了，我想这算是杰西的乐队“Twat Hammer”那首歌的首发吧。

Well, you know, we should get to where I guess it's like the debut of the song, Jesse's band, Twat Hammer.

对。

Yeah.

Twat

Twat

Hammer。

Hammer.

我想他们最火的歌是《Fallacies》。

I guess their biggest hit, Fallacies.

这是我们第一次真正听到那首歌。

It's the first time we actually get to hear some of that.

而且，你们是Twat Hammer的不插电版。

And, you know, you guys were Tuan Hammer, Unplugged.

对。

And yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

然后那个扮演保罗的演员。

And then the actor who played Paul.

对。

Yes.

他演得真好。

He did a real good job.

他也是从……他们发现……

He's also from He's from They found

他也是从德克萨斯州来的。

him out of Texas too.

他也在《胜利之光》里演过。

He's on Friday Night Lights too.

哦，是吗？

Oh, is he?

对。

Yeah.

德鲁。

Drew.

德鲁·沃特斯。

Drew Waters.

沃特斯。

Waters.

我超喜欢他们一家。

I love that whole family.

他和他老婆肖娜，对。

Him and his wife, Shauna Yeah.

还有那个小男孩利亚姆，他演亨利，那个小男孩。

And and then little boy Liam, who plays Henry, the little boy.

他们就是那种完美的金发盎格鲁-撒克逊家庭，对。

They're they're that's this perfect blonde Anglo Saxon Yeah.

标准的美国家庭。

Nuclear fame.

那个小男孩的脸真是太可爱了。

That little boy just has the most precious face.

他太萌了。

He is so cute.

而且他演得也很好，因为他有一个表情，你知道，艾伦，你看着他，就会想，我也不喜欢吃胡萝卜。

And he did such a good job too because he has this one look where, you know, Aaron, when you look at him and you go, I didn't like to eat carrots either.

他就那样看着你。

And he just looks at you.

我以前也不喜欢胡萝卜。

I used to not like carrots.

对。

Yeah.

然后他咬了一口三明治。

And and then he he takes a bite of his sandwich.

没错。

Right.

我是说，你没法要求

I mean, you couldn't ask for

更好的了。他太可爱了。

a better He's so cute.

这个小男孩的表现。

Performance from this little boy.

然后他就给你一个面无表情的表情。

And he just gives you this deadpan look.

太完美了。

It's so perfect.

我是说，每次我作弊，我都会笑。

I mean, every time I would cheat, I would laugh.

他就是，我喜欢那个孩子。

He just I love that kid.

我喜欢那个场景。

I love that scene.

那首歌，对，是Sam Cantlin写的那些词，你知道，他想出了那些谬论什么的，然后我说，这到底是什么意思？

And the song, yeah, Sam Cantlin wrote that those words that, you know, came up with fallacies and and I said, what the hell does this mean?

他说，我也不知道，兄弟。

He said, I don't know, man.

但你知道，这有点像Jesse会写的东西。

But, know, something Jesse would've written.

我们的作曲家写了音乐吗？

Did our composer write the music?

是的。

Yes.

Dave Porter，他写了音乐，把音乐配到歌词上，还自己弹了一段小样。

Dave Porter Who wrote the music for wrote put music to the lyrics and played a scratch

他自己弹的。

track himself.

然后你们最后为那首歌拍了一个完整的音乐视频。

And then you guys ended up doing a full music video of that song.

对。

Yeah.

那在AMC的网站上，我想是在网络剧集或者什么的下面。

That's on AMC's website under, I guess, websodes or something.

哦，天哪。

Oh, man.

嗯，你知道，遗憾的是我知道。

Well, you know, sadly I know.

我，嗯，我们知道

I Well, we know

你出了个BMX事故，所以你不能做

you had a BMX accident, so you couldn't do

那个。

it.

是的。

Yeah.

他当时是在玩翘头特技，然后出了大问题。

Was a he was a wheelie school, and then something went horribly awry.

不是吧。

No.

你当时是……你得了什么病来着？

You were a you what'd you have?

你好像是得了肺炎。

You had, like, pneumonia.

我当时确实是得了严重的肺炎，一点不夸张。

I was literally had I literally had full blown pneumonia.

天哪。

Jesus.

我记得我所有的朋友，大概四个人吧，真的是一路扶着我走下台阶，硬逼着我去医院。

My I think all my friends like four literally helped me down the steps of my house and forced me to go to the the hospital.

对。

Yeah.

拍了X光片，结果左肺情况很不好。

And did x rays and and just in my left lung is no good.

得了肺炎就得去医院啊。

You go to the hospital when you have pneumonia.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

但说实话，一用上抗生素，效果真的惊人。

But honestly, right when you get on antibiotics, it's amazing how.

是的。

Yeah.

说了这么多，就是想解释为什么Aaron没出现在那个音乐视频里。

But that's all of that to say, that's why Aaron was not in that music video.

Aaron。

Aaron.

因为他当时病得很重。

Because he was he was sick as a dog

你真的看过那个音乐视频吗，Aaron？

that you actually seen the music video, Aaron?

我看过。

I have.

是的。

Yes.

好的，因为你知道，我们其实在视频里给你署了名。

Okay, because you know, we we did we kind of credited you on the thing.

我的意思是，那是我剪的，实际上是我剪的那个音乐视频。

I mean, that was I actually cut the music video.

你说过，我……

You said that I

我导演的。

directed it.

你执导的。

You directed.

你执导的，创意来自。

You directed Concepted by.

创意来自。

Concepted by.

那挺好的。

That was good.

有意思。

Funny.

摄影。

Photography.

全部。

Everything.

杰西·平克曼。

Jesse Pinkman.

我喜欢

I love

我是说，我都喜欢，但汉克的婚礼那场最好。

the the I mean, I love all of them but Hank's wedding.

那场确实不错。

That's a good one.

那场确实不错。

That's a good one.

对。

Yes.

他们肯定在网上讨论“象牙燕”呢。

They're they're definitely talking on the internet about the Ivory Swallow.

天哪。

Oh my god.

“象牙燕”，那个……

The Ivory Swallow, the

名字。

name.

就这样。

That's it.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yes.

你是在跟我开玩笑吗？

Are you kidding me with that?

把我最喜欢的地方都写进去了。

That's put my favorite places in there.

我写的内容。

What I write about.

不。

No.

好的，亚伦。

Okay, Aaron.

那个，怎么说呢，最典型的，或者说，算是其中之一吧。

The the quintessential well, one of the quintessential, I guess.

可以有不止一个吗？

Can there be more than one?

我想，嗯，你做的那些大场面之一，你得跟我们好好讲讲。

I guess, well, one of these big scenes that that you did, you gotta tell us all about.

厕所。

The toilet.

那个，厕所。

The the toilet.

对对对。

Yeah yeah yeah.

那个臭名昭著的厕所。

The infamous toilet.

可惜的是，你知道，就是翻过栅栏，其实我有些时候确实翻了，但为了给太阳人。

Sadly that that you know it's it's it's just you know climbing over the fence and well actually I there was some moments where I did climb but to give the Sunman.

哦不。

Oh no.

我们也看到太阳人翻了。

We saw the Sunman climb also.

对，而且。

Yeah and.

但我简直不敢相信。

But I couldn't believe.

我们两种都用了一点。

We use a little bit of both.

但文斯顶上那个铁丝网其实不是铁丝网。

But the the the barbed wire at the top of Vince was not barbed wire.

确实是。

It was.

对，我也是后来才知道的。

Yeah, I learned that later too.

对，而且美术部门那边，看起来，我还以为是铁丝网。

Yeah and the art department like it's it look I thought it was barbed

像铁丝网一样。

wire like.

看起来很棒。

It looks amazing.

你在干什么？

What are you doing?

我以为你要求用真的铁丝网，因为你是方法派演员。

I thought you had asked for real barbed wire because you're a method actor.

我确实想要，但他们你知道的。

I wanted it, but they you know.

有安全规定和条例。

There's safety rules and regulations.

不过那些东西看起来确实很逼真。

Now that stuff did look real.

那是丹尼斯·彼得森和他的团队做的。

Dennis Peterson and his crew created that.

他在他的工作室里给我看过。

He showed it to me in his in his shop.

我当时就说，这玩意儿我们没法用。

And I was like, well, we can't use this.

他说，不。

He says, no.

拿起来试试。

Grab it.

我说，什么？

I said, what?

他说，你抓住它。

He said, grab hold of it.

那是用鞋带皮做的，

It was made out of shoelace leather

难以置信。

Unbelievable.

绑成倒刺，然后喷成银色。

Tied into barbs and then spray painted silver.

就这么简单。

It's as simple as that.

看起来完全是真的。

It looks absolutely real.

看起来完全是真的，

Totally looked real,

我当时都震惊了。

and I was shocked.

对。

Yeah.

因为通常保险公司不会让你做这些事情。

Because usually insurance usually will not let you do these things.

说实话，我当时真想翻过那个栅栏。

I was begging to climb the fence, honestly.

我就想，我翻过很多栅栏了。

I'm like, I've climbed many fences.

没问题的。

It's fine.

我不是要翻过带刺的铁丝网，也不是要爬上去站在什么东西上面。

I'm I'm I'm not I'm not climbing over over barbed wire and I'm climbing over to stand on top of something.

我又不是要跳下去。

I'm not jumping down.

所以我觉得我能行，但他们就是不允许。

So I can do this but they they wouldn't they wouldn't allow it.

我在想我最后一次爬栅栏是什么时候。

I'm trying to figure the last fence I ever climbed.

我以前这些都能做。

I used be able to do all that stuff.

现在我又胖又老，腰也不好，但我记得以前爬铁丝网的那些事。

I'm too fat and old now and I got a bad back but I remember doing all that climbing chain link.

对。

Yeah.

我以前什么都能做

I used to be able to do all kinds

像那样。

of like that.

都能。

All.

是的，我是。

Yes, I am.

我和M经常这么干。

We do it all the time, M and I.

那你得跟我们说说

So so so you gotta tell

快说。

us.

我们经常翻栅栏。

We roll hobos.

给我们讲讲这个移动厕所的事，一五一十地讲。

Give us give us the blows brick by brick on on this porta potty set.

哎呀，天哪。

Oh, man.

这太棒了。

So, it's so great.

你知道，我们的特技演员内森。

Know, our loaded stuntman, Nathan.

内森。

Nathan.

就是内森。

It is Nathan.

他，他替我摔了。

He he took the fall.

我是说他

I mean he

对，所以那其实不是你摔的。

Yeah so that's not you actually falling.

那不是我摔的。

That's not me falling.

不是。

No.

但那是

But it's