#56 Micheal Review and Katelyn's New Venture

如果你还没看过，那你还在等什么？

And if you haven't seen it, what are you doing?

你真得去看看。

You need to go see it.

如果你喜欢八十年代和迈克尔·杰克逊，这部电影就是为你量身定做的。

If you're if you love the eighties and Micheal Jackson, it's your it's your movie.

你知道吗，这可能才是这里更深层的含义。

You know, that may be the bigger underlying message here.

我早就说过，真遗憾现在的孩子没在八十年代长大。

You know, I I've said for years that I weep that the kids today didn't grow up in the eighties.

这部电影再次印证了这一点。

You know, movie kind of of shows that again.

很明显，人类文明在八十年代就达到顶峰了，之后一路下滑。

That clearly, mankind as a civilization peaked out in the eighties and it's been downhill ever since.

我的意思是，我确实这么觉得。

I mean, this is I mean, I I do.

我一想起来就忍不住流泪。

I weep.

我真的很感恩，能生在八十年代。

I I thank the lord I got a chance to grow up in the eighties.

不管我当年干过多少傻事，都值得了。

And all the dummy things I did anyway.

看这部电影的时候，我内心涌起了强烈的情感。

But it's it it just brings I felt a flood of emotion watching it.

你刚才说的那番话，我觉得特别有道理。

And you you made this comment, and I thought this was a good comment.

我从来没在现场看过迈克尔·杰克逊的演唱会。

I never saw Micheal Jackson in concert.

一次都没看过。

Never saw him.

对。

Mhmm.

但看完这部电影后，你感觉就像亲身去过现场一样，因为它的拍摄方式让你身临其境。

But after you saw this movie, you felt like you had been to one because it puts you in the middle of it the way it shot and the way it's done.

我真后悔没亲眼看过他的演唱会。

And I I hate that I never saw him in concert.

我离得最近的一次，大概是胜利巡演在亚特兰大的那场。

I probably the closest was during the victory tour in Atlanta.

我表弟去看了。

My cousin went.

他老婆说，我们本来也能搞到票的。

His wife, we we probably could have got in on that deal.

但那时候我们有别的安排，就没能去。

But, you know, we had something we were doing.

谁知道呢？

Who knows?

说实话，谁也没想到他会这么早就离世，才五十岁。

I mean, none of us thought he was gonna die at 50.

没有。

No.

但天啊，不行。

But Oh, no.

你知道吗，这部电影一下子勾起了八十年代的无数回忆，比如我最早在MTV上看到《Beat It》，不对，应该是先看到《Billie Jean》，然后《Beat It》出来了，接着是《Thriller》，再后来就是《Bad》上映前那场盛大的预热。

You know, it it's just it it really brought back just a flood of emotions from the eighties and, you know remembering seeing Beat It or I guess it was Billie Jean first that was on MTV and then Beat It came out and then you know we had Thriller and then we had the big build up for Bad coming out.

你还记得那也是一个短片吗？

Remember that was a short film too?

顺便说一句，韦斯利·斯奈普斯就是在这部片子里走红的。

And Wesley Snipes, by the way, got famous in that one.

如果你记得的话，他后来还演过几部剧。

He went on to do a few shows if you remember.

是的。

Yeah.

他确实挺不错的，状态一直很好。

He, he, yeah, he's, he's doing all right.

他现在还在拍东西。

He's still doing stuff now.

是啊。

Oh, yeah.

他现在可是热门电视电影明星，而且——

Oh, he's still, I mean, he's a major TV movie star And

他在这一行已经很久了。

He's been in the game for a while.

我觉得他第一个工作就是拍《Bad》的MV。

I think that was his first gig was on the bad video.

我们当时真的特别喜欢。

But we we really enjoyed it.

我还发过帖子，说去看这部作品，也聊了聊一些没那么出名但你可能喜欢的迈克尔歌曲。

And I I did I put some post out about going to see it and also about some of your favorite Micheal songs that may not be as well known.

我很希望你们去评论一下那些内容。

And I'd love for you to go comment on some of that.

那会儿真有不少特别棒的评论。

It was just some really great comments.

我差点忘了《State of Shock》，就是他和米克·贾格尔合作的那首。

I I forgot about State of Shock, which is one they did with Mick Jagger.

是的。

Yeah.

那首歌是在胜利巡演期间推出的。

It was on the victory tour.

以前我们装汽车音响时，都会用《State of Shock》来测试音效，因为它的低音特别出色。

We used to believe it or not, when we installed car stereos, we used to use state of shock to test the system because it had such a great baseline in it.

对，没错。

It was Yeah.

用来调汽车音响再合适不过了。

It it was perfect for setting up a car stereo.

所以你也特别喜欢这首歌。

So but you you you loved it too.

你觉得呢？

You what do you think?

后来他出了那些事，还有各种指控，你有关注过吗？

Did you follow him in the later years that that you got weird and all the accusations and all that?

这些事有没有影响你对他的看法？跟我说说你的想法。

Did that taint your way you looked at this or or tell me what you thought about that?

其实我是在看完这部电影之后才去查了点资料，那时候各种传闻闹得沸沸扬扬，但我那时候太小了，根本记不住。说实话，第一次指控是1993年的事。

Well, I I, like, did some research after, you know, watching the movie and even, like, whenever all that was going on, I was too young to remember all the accusations going I mean, the first one happened in '93 and let's just be honest.

1993年的时候，我连影子都还没呢。

I was not even a thought yet in '93.

对。

Yep.

那时候我还在妈妈肚子里，大概能这么形容吧。

So I was still kinda just up there in the pool of creation, I guess you could say.

挺有意思的是，这部电影一出来，媒体就集体差评，非得把所有指控都翻出来，非要扒清楚他到底是个什么样的人。

And it it's funny how the media when this movie came out, it got review bombed by the media because they wanted them to cover all the allegations and show who it really was and all this.

但如果你做点调查就会发现，他被调查了整整十七年，最后什么证据都没找到。

But if you do your research, they he was investigated for seventeen years, and they couldn't never find anything.

当年确实有个和解协议，就是93年那件事，后来电影里给删了。

And there was, like, one payoff, you know, situation in '93 that they had to cut out of the movie.

所以你要是去看这部电影，其实没什么剧透，完全不用担心。

That's why it was, you know, the if you go see it, this is not really spoiled.

电影结尾来得有点突然。

It kinda ends abruptly.

自从这部电影宣布要上映，就一直占据新闻头条。

And it's been, you know, in the headlines ever since this movie was announced it was coming out.

他们不得不把电影砍掉一半，重拍，还付了制片方一大笔钱， turnaround 都来不及。

They had to cut the movie in half and do, like, reshoots and pay the studio, you know, a butt ton of money and turn around.

现在这部电影的预算高达两亿美元，当然，票房早就轻松回本了。

And now the, you know, the budget was 200,000,000, which they've made it back, of course, with no problem.

十五亿一千五百五十五万。

$1.51 55.

没错。

Exactly.

所以这部电影他们赚大了。

So they're way in the profit mode on this.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

他们现在可是大赚特赚。

They're they're they're in the green big time.

但我也不确定。

But I I don't know.

这种事吧，我挺喜欢里面的音乐。

It's one of those things where I enjoy the music.

我尽量不去关注那些个人方面的八卦。

I try not to look at, you know, the personal things.

我更喜欢八十年代的迈克尔，其他都算不上什么。

I'm more of a eighties Micheal fan than anything.

他后来的一些作品我也挺喜欢的，比如《Bad》之后的那些。

I do like some of his, like, later stuff, like post bad.

我记得那时候，真的挺难忘的。

Like, I like remember the time.

我喜欢《Rock My World》，尤其是那个和克里斯·塔克合作的短片MV，太搞笑了，他演得特别夸张，各种表情动作都到位。

I like you rock my world, especially that short film music video with Chris Tucker because it's just hilarious because he's being over exaggerating with all of his, you know, and all that stuff.

是的。

Yeah.

哦，

Oh,

对，

yeah.

他确实挺逗的。

He's funny.

真的特别搞笑。

Real funny.

如果你还没看过，他讲他和迈克尔之间友谊故事的那些片段也特别有意思。

And him him sharing the stories of Micheal, like, in their friendship and everything is really cool to watch too, if you haven't seen those.

但我认为这并没有影响什么。

But I I don't think it really tainted anything.

没错，他晚年确实有点怪。

Like, yeah, he was a bit odd in the later years.

我不会否认这一点。

I'm not gonna not admit that.

但说到他年轻时的创作天才，你得想想，从1979年的《Off the Wall》到1988、89年左右的《Bad》，他那时候才二十多岁。

But in terms of, like, his creative genius at a such a young age, you gotta think from off the wall, which was what in '79 to bad, which was in '88, '89 somewhere in there.

他那时候才二十多岁。

He was in his twenties.

是的。

Yeah.

《颤栗》太惊人了。

And thriller Incredible.

《颤栗》把他所有格莱美提名都拿下了。

Thriller swept all of his Grammy nominee.

我的意思是，网上到处都是他抱着奖杯的照片，你肯定在电影里也见过。

I mean, he there's literally pictures of him, and you've probably seen it even in the movie.

大家总在提这事，但他那时候怀里抱满了格莱美奖杯。

They talk about it, but he's, like, arms full with Grammys

对。

Yeah.

才23岁啊。

At 23 years old.

而且它至今仍是史上销量最高的专辑。

That's and it's still the most sold album ever.

销量已经两千五百万张了，还在涨。

It's like 25,000,000 and counting.

事实上，你现在去Spotify和Apple Music上看，排名第一的流媒体专辑还是它。

In fact, it's like Have you seen number one streaming album on on Spotify and Apple Music right now.

就是亨特，就只是他。

It's just Hunter, it's that.

整整四十三年过去了。

One, forty three years later.

这难道不让人震惊吗？

That's it's Is that crazy?

这部电影上映之前，我们就想提出这个观点。

Were trying to make the claim before this movie came out.

有人说泰勒·斯威夫特已经超越了迈克尔·杰克逊，我才不信呢。

It's like Taylor Swift has eclipsed what Micheal Jack I'm like, no.

恰恰相反，这部电影恰恰证明了迈克尔·杰克逊是独一无二的，以后再也不会有谁像他了。

Like, if anything, this movie has shown that Micheal Jackson is in a league of his own, and there will be no one like him ever ever.

我的意思是，我觉得没人能真正超越他。

I mean, I don't think it'll ever be touched.

你刚才提到了贾法尔。

You you mentioned Jafar.

他在这件事上做得太出色了。

He did an incredible job on this.

如果他拿不到好几个表演类奖项——奥斯卡那些——那干脆别办颁奖礼了，因为他简直成了迈克尔·杰克逊本人。

If he doesn't win, and I don't even know what all the acting awards Oscars and, you know, all that, if he doesn't win a bunch of those, they need to quit the award because he became Micheal Jackson.

这简直不可思议。

Mean it's unreal.

我再问你个事，我觉得这事挺奇怪的，你总得看背后的利益关系，但我不清楚谁被拉进了团队，谁又被排除在外，这些我都不太清楚。

Now let me ask you this too because I find this strange and you always have to follow the money and I don't know who all got cut in, who got cut out, you know, I don't know all that.

看他家人，他妈妈在这部片子里出镜很多，但说实话，形象不太正面，因为她纵容乔做了太多事。

Looking at his family, his mother, who is in this movie prominently, and really, I don't think shown in the best light because she's let Joe get away with so much.

她自己倒是很享受。

She loved it.

她说这部电影让她仿佛回到了过去。

She said it put her back there.

她说，简直就跟当时一模一样。

She said it was just like it was.

我的意思是，她对这部电影的评价简直再好不过了。

I mean, she couldn't be more complimentary on it.

接着就是珍妮特，她完全不想沾边。

Then you have Janet that didn't want anything to do with it.

我不确定是不是因为电影里把她爸爸刻画得太坏了。

And I don't know if that's because her dad was painted so negatively in it.

乔·杰克逊，没错，你提到的正是杰克。

Joe Jackson, which he was, I mean, you talking about Jack.

你讲的是另一个在电影里表现特别出色的演员。

You're talking about, you're talking about another guy that did really good in the movie.

扮演乔·杰克逊的科尔曼·多明戈，他很可能拿下最佳男配角。

Coleman Domingo that played Joe Jackson was he will probably win supporting actor

唱歌。

Sing.

从这个角度来说。

Out of this.

因为迈克尔就是这样。

Because he Michael.

唱。

Sing.

他就像是在告诉你该怎么想。

Just like he's like, I I'll tell you what to think.

这就像是。

It's like

是啊。

Oh, yeah.

把杰克逊家族品牌比作可口可乐？根本不是这么回事。

Calling the Jackson brand the Coca Cola of it's like, no.

根本不是。

No.

不行。

No.

迈克尔才是你的可口可乐。

Michael is your Coca Cola.

迈克尔是家里的顶梁柱。

Micheal is your breadwinner.

以前在《生活色彩》里出现过的那个 guy，叫大卫·艾伦·格里尔，是这个人吗？

The guy on used to be in in living color, David Allen Greer, is that his name?

那个喜剧演员？

The comedian?

他演过

He did

天哪。

Oh, lord.

我不清楚。

I don't know.

他演过一个小品。

He did a skit.

他有个常驻角色叫乔·杰克逊，特别搞笑。

He he had an ongoing character where he was Joe Jackson, and it was the funniest thing.

所以我们现在要唱歌跳舞了，Michael。

That that that's where we get to sing, dance, Micheal.

唱歌跳舞。

Sing, dance.

你知道吗，他那造型简直绝了。

You know, I mean, he he nailed the look.

我的天啊。

The I mean, oh my gosh.

希望我没记错他的名字。

I hope that's his name.

我事先没去查过。

I I didn't look it up ahead of time.

我本该再仔细核对一下的。

I should've double checked.

但简直太像了。

But it is so dead on.

然后你还有他的儿子普林斯，他特别喜欢。

And so then you had Prince, his son, who loved it.

他说：这就是我爸爸。

He said this was my dad.

这就是我小时候看到的样子。

This is what I saw growing up.

你知道，他真的很喜欢。

I this is you know, he loved it.

然后还有他的女儿巴黎，她特别讨厌。

Then you had Paris, his daughter, who hated it.

完全不想沾边。

Didn't want anything to do with it.

我不明白女孩们怎么了。

I don't know what it is with the girls.

她们一直持反对态度。

They they were they were against

全都反对。

it all.

我后来找到一篇文章。

So I I found, like, an article.

她生气的原因是，她不喜欢约翰·布林克或布林库姆——不管那人叫什么——迈克尔最后聘来当经理的那个人。

The reason why she's mad about it because she does not like John Brinker or Brinkum, whatever his name is, the guy that Micheal ended up hiring as his manager Right.

或者说是经纪人吧。

Or agent, I guess.

她觉得那人就是想趁机大捞一笔。

And she thought that he was trying to, like, cash in big.

而且她觉得，这部电影纯粹是迎合爸爸粉丝们的某种幻想。

And, you know, she was like, this movie caters to a specific fantasy of, you know, dad's fan base and everything.

但我觉得，应该为他这一面喝彩。

But my thing is, like, celebrate that part of him.

你知道的。

You know

我说的意思你懂吧？

what I mean?

第二部会特别狠。

The the part two is gonna be brutal.

音乐肯定不错，但第二部真的会很虐。

Like, the music is gonna be good, but part two is gonna be brutal.

大家就是这样，虽然期待，但一想就头疼。

That's what people are like, you know, they're excited, but it's like, oh, crap.

你明白我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

他们肯定会把负面的部分放大。

They're gonna they're gonna cover the negative.

他们会重点讲Lisa Ann Marie那段时期，还有类似的各种事情。

They're gonna cover the, you know, the Lisa Ann Marie time, all that kind of stuff.

好了，咱们聊聊之前说过的几件事，我最近才了解到一些。

Alright, here's a couple of things we were talking about and I've learned some of these.

你可能知道，也可能不知道。

You may know or may not.

你知道吗？《Thriller》这首歌原本叫《Starlight》，迈克尔一开始唱的是这个版本，后来才改成了《Thriller》。

Did you know the song Thriller was originally called Starlight and that Micheal actually sung that and then went back and changed it to be Thriller?

我知道这件事。

I did know that.

对。

Yes.

我前几天才知道，不过我确实看过他唱《Starlight》的片段。

I did not know that to the other day, but I did see a clip of him singing Starlight.

还有个小趣闻，想说说看。

One of the other little tidbits of information, wanna be starting something.

我另一首特别喜欢的歌。

One of my other favorite songs.

这首歌本来是写给拉托亚的。

That was actually written for La Toya.

她

She

电影里有她演唱的片段。

recorded It was in the movie.

是的。

Yeah.

她确实录过这首歌。

She recorded it.

电影里也展现了这一幕。

Depicted in the movie.

这首歌讲的是他姐妹和他兄弟的老婆们关系不和。

And it was the song was about his sisters not getting along with his brother's wives.

而且你知道吗，如果你去仔细看歌词，他确实唱了‘我是个蔬菜’。

And, you know, if you go look at the words, he does say in it, I'm a vegetable.

他好几次都唱了‘我是个蔬菜’。

I'm a vegetable several times.

这确实是歌词的一部分。

That is that's part of the lyrics.

对。

Yeah.

而且

And

这首歌的结尾部分，也就是争议很大的那句‘Manasana Mako Sa’。

the end of the song, which was much debated, Manasana Mako Sa.

那其实是非洲某种语言里‘妈妈最懂’的意思。

That that is actually it's it's what is it's one of the African languages for mom knows best.

妈妈最懂。

Mama knows best.

我不确定是不是祖鲁语，还是别的什么语言。

I don't know if it's Zulu or something.

那是非洲的一种语言，他反反复复地唱这一句。

What what is one of the far it's one of the languages in Africa, and he just repeated that over and over.

我不知道为什么，但这首歌确实特别棒。

Now I I don't know why, but it it was, you know, made a great song.

这点我同意。

I'll say that.

是的。

Yeah.

我也喜欢电影里的这一段。

It I like that part of the movie too.

这不算剧透，但有个场景是他睡不着，脑子里想法太多，一直在说——我有太多点子了。

This isn't really a spoiler, but there's, a certain scene where he's, you know, he can't sleep because he's got so many ideas and he's, you know, he he says it consistently, at least in the earlier part of the movie because I have so many ideas.

我得赶紧把它们记下来。

I gotta get them out.

而且他是个

And he's a

别逗了

Stop teasing

杰尔梅因，别拿我开玩笑了。

me, Jermaine.

他会走到，你知道的，他们家里那个小录音棚去。

He'll, like, walk down, you know, to his little they have, like, a little recording studio in their house.

然后他就拿着便签本和卡片，把它们贴在公告板上之类的，各种操作都有。

And he's, like, writing down on notepads and note cards and putting them on, you know, like a bulletin board, you know, and all that.

其中一样东西就是被他贴上去的。

And that's one of the things that he puts on there.

因为他就是先想想，写下来，再想想，再写下来。

Cause he's like, he, you know, thinks about it, writes it down, thinks about it, writes it down.

我真希望电影能在这方面再深入挖掘一点。

And it, it, I wish they would've gone a little bit deeper into that.

是的。

Yeah.

但我就是喜欢那种感觉，每当他们为《颤栗》专辑构思点子的时候，就他和昆西·琼斯两个人坐在一起。

But I just liked the, the overall, like whenever they were coming up with ideas for the thriller album, it was just him and Quincy Jones whenever they're sitting there.

他说，CBS想让他上封面，或者想把专辑命名为《迈克尔》。

And he goes, you know, CBS wants you to be on the cover of the or wants the album to be called Micheal.

他却说，不行。

And he goes, no.

太自我中心了。

It's too egocentric.

对方说，可你不是都上封面了吗？

He goes, well, you're on the cover of the album.

你唱的可是全部歌曲。

You're singing all the songs.

他说，别拿玩笑开玩笑了。

He goes, don't joke a joker.

或者类似的事，让我笑出了声。

Or something like and it made me laugh.

然后整个过渡过程，《惊悚》这张专辑真的很棒。

And then the whole transition, the thriller was really cool.

当他终于把事情串起来的时候，就说：对，就叫这个名字。

When he finally puts, you know, two and two together, he's like, that's what we're gonna call it.

因为他当时特别迷八十年代的恐怖片。

Cause he was obsessed with the horror movies in the eighties.

是的。

Yeah.

他还为此挨了不少批评。

Thought he thought some flack about it too.

连他妈妈都说了他几句，后来他们又改回来了。

Even his mom gave him some flack and they went back.

是的。

Yeah.

依我记忆，片头加了个小提示。

Best I remember they added or, you know, the little, the little disclaimer at the beginning.

对。

Yeah.

标题卡上写着。

The title card

《惊悚》。

of thriller.

是的。

Yeah.

上面说他不信超自然，也不跟那类事沾边。

It says he doesn't believe in the occult and has no association with that.

没错。

Right.

我倒希望他们能提一提这事，因为他好像就因为这个被教会开除了。

And I wish they would have talked about that because he got, I think, booted out of the church for that.

我很有把握。

I'm pretty sure.

那又怎样？

So what

后来那段时期他怎么样？

was in the latter days?

他不是后期圣徒。

He wasn't a latter day Saint.

他是

He was

耶和华见证人。

what was Jehovah's Witness.

耶和华见证人。

Jehovah's Witness.

对。

Yeah.

不过我觉得他创作音乐的方式特别有意思，因为我自己一点音乐天赋都没有。

So but I I did think part that was the the way he went about forming the music, writing the music, I thought was very interesting because I had no musical talent.

所以我一直很佩服那些能写音乐的人。

So people who write music, I've always admired their ability to do that.

我觉得这真的挺有意思的。

And I thought that was very interesting.

我很喜欢看别人是怎么做的，因为每个人把音乐拼在一起的方式都不太一样。

I love seeing how it because everybody does a little different how you put it all together.

我觉得这特别酷。

And I just thought that was super cool.

对。

Yeah.

还有另一点，我想跟你说说。

And I've And the other part, let me me say this to you.

对。

Yeah.

另一点是，如果你没看过这部电影，你会看到他泡在泳池里漂着，琢磨着歌曲，说他在等上帝赐给他一首歌。

The other part how when he was he he if you haven't seen the movie you'll see this but he's he's floating around in a pool thinking about songs and he says he's waiting for God to give him a song.

我觉得这体现了他对上帝的敬畏，因为他明白上帝才是创造者，是所有才华的源头。

I think that showed part of his reverence for God in that he realized God was the creator and the giver of all talent.

他只是个通道，让灵感从他身上流过而已。

And that he simply was a, you know, a vessel that that was flowing through.

我觉得这很深刻，因为我觉得这就是真相。

I thought that was interesting because I I think that's the truth.

而且这种态度确实应该被表现出来。

And I think that needs to be portrayed in that.

是的。

Yeah.

他年轻时，摩城唱片的人也跟他说过：你有上帝赐予的天赋。

And he also had those people when he was younger, the Motown people were like, yeah, you have God given talent.

希望你能明白这一点。

I hope you realize that.

你知道吗，他小时候就有人跟他说，这是上帝赐予的天赋。

You know, even at a young age, people were telling him it's God given talent.

他真的听进去了，也完全接受了这一点。

He, you know, fully listened and accepted that.

你想想看，当摩城唱片公司和录音棚的人不在的时候，他背后经历的是什么——他父亲虐待他，但有些事终究是过了头。

And, you know, you just think back at, like, what was going on behind the scenes, you know, when the Motown and the studio people weren't around, he was getting abused by his father, you know, but at the same time, there's a there's a point where it becomes too much.

说实话，乔·杰克逊在逼迫孩子们方面确实是个天才，逼到几乎算得上虐待的地步。

Like, he honestly, Joe Jackson was a genius in terms of, like, you know, working them to the point of, you know, abuse.

但迈克尔不一样，只要他出一点错，乔就打他，纯粹就是想打。

But Micheal specifically, he would you know, anytime Micheal would mess up, he did beat Micheal just because.

管教孩子和为了发泄情绪而打孩子，这中间是有区别的。

And there's a difference between spanking your child to, you know, get a point across and then and then spanking your child because you just feel like it.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

还老叫他大鼻子。

And then calling him big nose.

这正是他们提到这一点的原因，你知道，他为什么会经历那么多外貌上的变化——因为他爸爸老拿他的鼻子开玩笑，类似的事情多了去了。

Because that's part of the reason they even touch on that, you know, why he goes through so many, you know, facial, you know, changes because he you know, his dad made fun of him because of his nose and stuff like that.

他那时候

And he was

最终变得非常愤怒。

ultimately mad.

他根本没有童年。

He had no childhood.

他确实没有童年。

You know, he had no childhood.

他最好的朋友竟是一只猴子。

And, you know, his best friend was a monkey.

我的意思是，你懂的，确实如此。

So, I mean, you know, you you yeah.

我一直觉得特别有意思的是，他明明这么有天赋，而且我很高兴他们写《Jam》这首歌的时候，让他和迈克尔·乔丹合作了。

I mean, it's, you know, too, it was always interesting to me how he was so talented in that, but and I'm glad they did this when they wrote the song Jam, and he did it with Micheal Jordan.

我的意思是，你可是有两位终极的MJ啊。

I mean, you had the two ultimate MJs.

对吧？

Right?

迈克尔·杰克逊想教可能史上最强的运动员怎么跳舞，可他自己根本不会跳。

So you had Micheal Jackson trying to show possibly the greatest athlete ever to walk the face of the earth how to And he and he was not a good dancer.

而迈克尔·乔丹呢，想教迈克尔·杰克逊怎么运球投篮，他那动作笨拙得简直...

And then you had Micheal Jordan trying to show Micheal Jackson who could move like no human has ever moved how to shoot basketball, and he looked as awkward as you could

不能再笨了。

be.

哎呀。

Oh,

篮球。

basketball.

迈克尔根本没打过球，这很明显。

Micheal doesn't doesn't play because he he obviously never played.

你懂的吧。

You know?

我的意思是，他从来没打过篮球。

I mean, he never shot a basketball.

但你可以

But you can

那种场景其实也挺让人难过的。

have kind of a that was kind of a sad scene too.

确实如此。

It was.

挺孤单的，因为他去玩具店，是为儿童医院的孩子们买礼物。

Lonely it was because he was like he, like, you know, they go to the toy store because he was buying all those toys for those kids in children's hospital.

他跟孩子们说：看，我买了扭扭乐。

He goes, guys, look, I got twister.

你们想玩吗？

Y'all wanna play?

他们就说：‘算了吧，老兄。’

And they're like, nah, man.

他说：‘你们真没劲。’

He's like, y'all are no fun.

你能看出来他心里想：‘哎呀，真遗憾。’

You could tell he was like, well, dang.

他说：‘大家都长大了。’

He's like, everyone's growing up.

我理解他想做自己的事。

I I understand him wanting to do his own thing.

没错。

Okay.

但从粉丝的角度来说，我特别喜欢他们全体上台的时候，因为根本猜不到接下来会发生什么。

But I will tell you from a fan standpoint, I loved it when all of them were on stage because you didn't know what was going to happen.

那几个兄弟，真是酷到极致了。

And the brothers, they were as cool as you come.

你知道的，他们背后还有专门的舞步设计。

You know, they had the dance step behind it.

我是说，无论是《年轻》巡演还是《胜利》巡演。

I mean, Young or Victory Tour.

他们全体登台的时候，我特别喜欢。

I loved it when all of them were out there.

我真的很喜欢那种感觉。

I love that.

是的。

Yeah.

乔·杰克逊简直太过分了，都算得上是虐待了。

Joe Jackson was clearly over the top to the point of abusive.

明白吧？

Okay?

对。

Yeah.

我觉得凯瑟琳早就该介入，直接制止这一切了。

And I think Katherine should have stepped in a lot earlier and put an end to that.

她确实点过他几次，但那会儿的环境和现在不一样，情况不一样。

She called him out a couple of times, but it was just a different time than it was just how it was.

真的吗。

Wow.

他啊，

He, you

你知道，他本身就很吓人，个子高大，我都没意识到他那么高。

know, he was also very, very, very, you know, intimidating and towering and he I don't realize how tall he was.

而且你看他那样子，简直就像魔鬼一样。

And and that, you know how much he looked like the devil.

我的意思是，确实。

I mean Yeah.

太真实了。

Really.

真的。

Really.

我的意思是，他那双眼睛，科尔曼·多明戈把那个角色演绝了。

I mean, he just his eyes are he did the Coleman Domingo killed that role.

他真的把乔·杰克逊这个人物演活了，简直让人惊叹。

He he he he literally he embodied Joe Jackson to the point of, like, wow.

我们整个剧院的人，每次他一出现在屏幕上，或者一开口，就感觉他就是那个语气：‘行，你出个个人专辑吧，但你得去给你兄弟们巡演。’

Like, our whole theater, anytime he would pop up on screen or say something, like, he was like, yeah, I'll let you do that solo album, you know, but I need you to tour your brothers.

所有人都惊呆了。

And everyone's like, oh my god.

天哪，太震撼了。

Like, oh my god.

你懂的吧？

You know?

全场都是倒吸冷气的声音。

Was just like moans and moans.

对迈克尔来说，这并不好。

For Micheal, it was negative.

但当我听说他要带兄弟们一起拍《胜利》时，我觉得太棒了。

But see when I heard he was going to bring his brothers back along to do victory, I thought this is great.

我又能看到整个团队了。

I get to see the whole crew again.

我记得小时候，每到周六早上，都会看他们的动画片，跟着他们一起长大。

Remember I grew up with the whole bunch, watching the cartoons and and all of that on Saturday morning.

总之，亨特，谢谢你分享这些。

So anyway, Hunter, thank you for your input.

你对这事还有什么别的想法吗？

Any closing thoughts on it?

我很高兴你终于看了。

I I'm just glad you got to see it.

每次我给你看预告片，你都说：‘哦，我一定要看。’

Because you, you know, whenever I showed you the trailer, you were like, oh yeah, I gotta see it.

妈妈还说，你爸当时经历了一整套复杂的情绪。

And, you know, mom was saying like, yeah, your dad experienced a full range of emotions.

然后你就说，感觉好像又回到了那时候。

And then you're like, yeah, feel like I was back there again.

我觉得整部电影里最打动我的场景，就是他把所有帮派成员都召集起来那段——看完新闻后，他把大家聚到一起。

And just, you know, me seeing it seem like my favorite scene in the whole movie is beat it whenever he gets all the gang members, you know, you know, together after seeing all that on the news and everything.

他们还完整地跳起了《Beat It》的舞蹈。

And, you know, they're doing the whole beat it routine.

这让我想起以前，和你还有妈妈一起坐在客厅里，妈妈给我们——我和凯特琳——播放音乐视频，教我们跳《Beat It》的舞步。

It brought back memories of, you know, being in the living room with you and mom and mom showing us, you know, me and Katelyn the beat it dance and us learning that, you know, with the music video playing in the background and everything.

那真的特别棒。

And it was really cool.

不过在咱们休息之前，我赶紧问一句。

But, like, what just I just real quick before we, you know, go to break here.

整部电影里，你最喜欢哪个部分？

What was your favorite part of the whole movie?

我其实一直在想这个问题，提前准备怎么回答，因为我知道迟早会提到这个话题。

You know, I I was trying to think about that to answer that question in advance because I knew that that topic would come up.

让我想想。

Let me Mhmm.

我说一下吧。

Let me say this.

有一刻我真想站起来跳舞。

I, at one point, wanted to jump up and dance.

我当时在座位上就已经跟着扭起来了，整个影院差不多都是这样。

I was already dancing in my seat as was most of the theater.

嗯，没错。

Okay.

我也是。

Same.

我也是。

Same.

刻薄啊，

Mean,

我当时在做侧向的月球漫步。

I was doing the sideways moonwalk.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

对。

Yeah.

我现在是个挺容易动感情的人，尤其是年纪大了点，随时可能哭出来。

And and and I, you know, I I am kind of an emotional person now, especially a little older, and I'll ball on you in a minute.

不过有时候我情绪激动得都快赶上格伦·贝克了，但大多数电影我真不哭。

But I mean, I'm almost to Glenn Beck level at times, but most movies I don't cry in.

好。

Okay.

我哭都是因为现实生活里的事，比如缴税这种麻烦事。

I cry about real life things, you know, you got to deal with like taxes.

是的。

Yeah.

但有那么一刻，我在电影里哭了，而且肯定不是你猜的那种时候。

But I got I teared up at one point in the movie and you're not you're it's not gonna be when you think that it would.

你大概以为是迈克尔被皮带打的时候吧？

You you probably think it's when Micheal was getting a spanking with a belt or something.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

不是。

No.

是那个《Beat It》的MV，当他们走上舞台，和舞者们一起排练，第一次做那个后滑动作——就是他们甩肩膀的那个瞬间——我一下子就破防了。那时候我突然想起来，自己年轻时看这个视频有多感动，我们家没有MTV，只能去别人家看。

It's when the Beat It video, when they get on that stage with those dancers and they start practicing and the first time they do that little slide backwards you know where they pull their shoulders back yeah I thought it just hit me it's it's we're there again You know, I remember watching that and having such emotion when I was a teenager, you know, going to somebody's house that had MTV because we didn't have it.

我只好跑去别的地方看。

I had to go watch it somewhere else.

看到那个动作，一下子勾起了回忆。

And seeing that move, it just brought back.

我感觉自己又回到了16岁。

I mean, I felt like I was 16 again.

当他们全速冲上去，他穿上夹克的那一刻，我差点哭出来，看着他跳《Beat It》，真的忍不住。

And I got teared up when they, you know, they went full speed and he got the jacket on and I thought, man, I'm about to ball here watching him do beat it.

你懂的。

You know?

就是他，

When he yeah.

当他提到要带夹克过来的时候，我就想，哦，明白了。

When he when he said, I have an idea bringing my jacket, you know, I'm thinking, okay.

他们马上就要，你知道的，直接进入歌曲部分了。

They're well, they're about to just, you know, do the, you know, go into the song right here.

但当他开始自由发挥，做自己的东西时，那才是真的炸了。

But it was when he kind of freelanced and did his own thing.

我当时就惊了。

I And was like, holy crap.

他长得真像他叔叔。

He looks like his uncle.

就是那种感觉。

Like that.

然后他笑着问：你们觉得怎么样？

Like and then he was laughing and saying, what did y'all think?

我也跟着问：你们觉得怎么样？

And I'm like, what do y'all think?

你听听现场的反应。

Listen to the room.

这不就是吗？

Like, what?

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

他老是问‘那感觉怎么样’，这事儿真逗。

It it it's so funny how he was, like, always asking, like, how was that?

我还没来得及反应过来。

I wasn't on my toes long enough.

老兄，你简直完美无缺。

I and it's like, dude, you're flawless.

你在说什么啊？

What are you talking about?

这真的太离谱了。

It it's just crazy.

每次他在录音棚里，不管是小时候还是跳脱不羁的时候，大家都会说‘别动脚’，这都让我忍不住笑出来。

And it made me laugh too real quick whenever he would be in a studio, whether he was a kid or when he was doing off the wall, they're like, hey, keep your feet still.

我知道。

Oh, I know.

但他还是动来动去，脚也停不下来。

And he would still and he'd still move feet and everything.

你知道吗？

And he was you know?

还有那个《Don't Stop Till You Get Enough》的片段，那也是我最爱的之一。

And then that scene where they're doing don't stop till you get enough, which was also one of my favorites.

昆西·琼斯在那儿点头，一副‘行了，有感觉了’的样子。

When Quincy Jones is, like, you know, bobbing his head, like, okay.

我们这次真抓到东西了。

We have something here.

你能感觉到迈克尔终于松了一口气，我自由了。

And you can tell Micheal's, like, finally, I'm free.

我可以做我自己了。

I can do my own thing.

他在录音棚里唱的时候，背景音乐慢慢加进来，你一听就明白了。

When did he in the vocal booth and they start bringing in the background music, mixing it in, and you hear it.

你一开始

You start

声音就逐渐饱满起来。

swelling up.

来了。

Here we go.

来了。

Here we go.

得停一下真唱部分。

We gotta stop real vocals.

那也是他的真声。

That was his real vocals too.

听起来简直和他一模一样。

That he sounds just like him.

简直难以置信。

It's unbelievable.

这部电影我怎么推荐都不为过。

If you I'm I cannot recommend this movie enough.

如果你因为媒体的评价还在犹豫，别管媒体，直接去看。

If you're on the fence about it because of what the media said, bump the media, go see it.

明白吗？

Okay?

你自己去看一次就知道了。

Just go see it for yourself.

如果你喜欢迈克尔·杰克逊，或者喜欢八十年代的音乐，一定得去看。

If you enjoy Micheal Jackson or just enjoy eighties music in general, go see it.

我和杰克逊家族没有任何关系，我爸妈和凯特琳也一样。

I'm and I I have no association to the Jackson state, neither does dad, neither does mom, neither does Katelyn.

去看吧。

Go see it.

现在一聊到这个，我都想赶紧查一下放映时间了。

Just talking about it right now, I find myself wanting to look through the listings.

你懂的。

You know?

我的意思是，我真的不是在开玩笑。

I mean, I I'm not Seriously.

好了，亨特，在你去忙别的活儿之前，先说说吧。

So alright, Hunter, before you go plug, plug, plug away on your other gig.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我目前兼职帮一个叫《The Barn Auburn》的频道做内容。

I'm I'm helping out part time with a channel called The Barn Auburn.

我能报道一支我从小支持的球队，这感觉特别棒。

I cover get to cover a team that I grew up loving, And it's fun that I get to do that.

最近我第一次去采访了球队训练，我们还有一个节目叫《社交时光》。

I got to cover a practice for the first time recently, but we have a show called the social hour.

我和格雷厄姆·麦克莱恩一起主持。

It's me and Graham McClain.

每周一到周五晚上七点播出。

It's every Monday through Friday at 7PM.

欢迎大家来The Barn频道，我们聊所有跟奥本有关的事儿。

So join us over there at the barn and we talk about everything, you know, going on Auburn.

我们偶尔也会做点额外的内容，毕竟这节目是大家一天快结束时看的，放松一下。

We also, you know, we like to freelance a little bit too, because it's the end of the day and we, it's kind of the show that people watch before they, you know, wrap up their day.

我们就是干这个的。

So that's kind of what we're there for.

如果你感兴趣，可以在YouTube上搜The Barn Auburn，或者任何你听播客的平台都能找到。

So if you, if you're interested in that, it's the barn Auburn on YouTube and also anywhere you get your podcast as well.

好的。

Alright.

亨特，儿子，我为你骄傲。

Hunter, proud of you, son.

我爱你。

Love you.

感谢你的收听，马上回来继续带来《湖上布巴》的精彩内容。

Thank you for being on, and we will be right back in just a minute with more Bubba on the Lake.

一、二、三，开始。

One, two, three, go.

马上回来。

We'll be right back.

在

On

无论是水上还是岸上，来拉塞尔兰德斯湖马丁，尽情体验湖畔生活。

the water or off, experience lake life to the fullest at Russell Lands on Lake Martin.

在Bruce 63喝杯拿铁，在Fannie's悠闲午餐，或在Collodger餐厅欣赏湖马丁的日落。

Grab a latte at Bruce 63, linger over lunch at Fannie's, or take in a Lake Martin sunset at Collodger Restaurant.

无论你是周末来访，还是已把家安在湖边，拉塞尔兰德斯都是社区与自然交融之地。

Whether you're here for the weekend or you've made your home at the lake, Russell Lands is where community and the land come together.

想了解更多信息和 upcoming 活动，请访问 russelllands.com。

To learn more about upcoming events, visit russelllands.com.

来亲身体验一下湖边生活是什么感觉吧。

Come see what Lake Life is all about.

在中央州银行，我们相信社区银行不仅仅是做交易。

At Central State Bank, we believe community banking is more than just transactions.

更重要的是建立人与人之间的联系。

It's about relationships.

一百多年来，我们一直帮助邻里成长，助力企业兴旺，让梦想成真。

For over one hundred years, it's been helping neighbors grow, businesses thrive, and dreams become reality.

因为选择本地银行，就是为你的社区投资。

Because when you bank local, you invest in your community.

中央州银行，规模足够大，能为你提供全面服务；也足够贴心，了解你的需求。

Central State Bank, large enough to serve you, small enough to know you.

欢迎今天就来网点看看，或访问 centralstatebank.com 了解更多。

Visit us today or learn more at centralstatebank.com.

FDIC保险成员。

Member FDIC.

你知道我最喜欢巴夫洛鸡翅的一点是什么吗？

You know one thing I love about Buffalo Wild Wings?

你可以选择他们26种酱料或干腌料中的任意一种来点鸡翅，外带或外卖都行。

You can get wings with any of their 26 sauces and dry rubs for takeout and delivery.

这就相当于把整个B-Dubs直接搬回家了，可惜你做不到。

That's like bringing an entire b dubs home with you, which you can't do.

我试过。

I tried.

我拆了好几面墙，结果却被通知停工，因为我的房子没申请做体育酒吧的资质。

I've knocked down so many walls, only to then be told to halt construction because I'm not zoned to be a sports bar.

现在看起来就像个大凉棚之类的，毕竟没几面墙了。

Kinda just looks like a big pergola or something because of the lack of walls.

好在这些26种酱料和干腌料至少能外带。

At least these 26 sauces and dry rubs are available to go.

Buffalo Wild Wings，来吧，这才是真正的体育酒吧。

Buffalo Wild Wings, let's go sports bar.

这周我们又请来了一位特别的嘉宾。

Well, we have a very special guest with us again this week.

她是个充满活力的孩子。

She is a spirited child.

她再次受邀回归，就是凯特琳·布西。

She is back again by high demand, Katelyn Bussey.

凯特琳，你最近怎么样？

Katelyn, how are you dear?

我挺好的。

I'm good.

你呢？

How are you?

很高兴能回来。

Happy to be back.

华盛顿特区那边一切都好吗？

Well, how is everything in beautiful Washington DC?

挺好的。

It is wonderful.

这周天气真不错，周末也很好，天气一直很棒。

It's actually been a really pretty week, good weekend, lots of good weather.

真的很棒。

It's been great.

你今天工作挺累的吧。

Well, you've had a long day at work.

我

I

确实。

have.

今天过得真长，周末也挺长的。

It's been a long day, long weekend.

但我们一切都好。

But we're good.

大家都挺好的。

Everyone's doing well.

你这个周末做了些什么？

What what what did you do this weekend?

你出门活动了吗？

Were you out and about?

我出去了。

I was.

我和哈里斯去了弗吉尼亚金杯赛。

Harris and I went to the Virginia Gold Cup.

那是个小型赛马活动，规模没法跟肯塔基德比那种相比，但性质差不多，就是一场小规模的赛马。

It's like a little not anywhere near as big as the, like, Kentucky Derby or anything like that, but kind of along those same lines, a little horse race.

挺有意思的。

It was fun.

我们现在在聊你的男朋友哈里斯。

Now we're talking about your boyfriend, Harris.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

那你们现在交往多久了？

Well, now how long have y'all been dating now?

爸，我记得你本来想聊点别的。

Dad, I thought you wanted to talk about other things.

这

Does this

我本来就想转到

I always was gonna transition that into the

电影上。

movie.