EP252 行业中的完美主义陷阱与埃里克·凯泽（2025年12月）

欢迎再次收听《建筑暖通空调科学播客》。

Welcome back again to the Building HVAC Science Podcast.

我们的目标是通过帮助暖通空调和建筑性能两个专业更好地相互理解、协同合作，共同设计、建造、维护和维修系统，从而培养出更优秀、更专业的从业者。

Our goal to create better, more knowledgeable HVAC and building performance pros by helping the two professions better understand each other and work together in the systems that they create, design, maintain, and service.

本期节目是单人播客，又一期。

This episode is a solo cast, another one.

本期由埃里克·基泽尔带来，主题是：行业的完美主义陷阱。

It's from Eric Kiser, and the title, this is the perfection trap in the trades.

我将分享节目中的一些引语，或许能激发你的兴趣，让你想要继续收听完整节目。

I give you a couple quotes from the episode and possibly get your your mind, your taste wetted, and get you to move on to the rest of the episode.

足够好并不是一个固定的标准。

Good enough isn't a fixed point.

它是一个由目标、期望和后果共同塑造的动态目标。

It's a moving target shaped by goals, expectations, and consequences.

完美主义可以推动我们前进，但也可能悄然让我们偏离轨道。

Perfection can push us forward but can also quietly pull us off track.

这挺有意思的。

That's an interesting one.

如果我按承诺的时间和资源交付了承诺的内容，对我来说这就足够了。

If I deliver what I promise and the time promise using the resources promised, that is good enough for me.

还有一个最后的引述：真正的技能在于知道何时额外的努力能增加价值，何时只是增加了自我。

And then a final one, final quote, the real skill is knowing when extra effort adds value and when it just adds ego.

嘿。

Hey.

这会是一期不错的节目。

This is gonna be a good episode.

真的很希望你喜欢收听。

Really hope you enjoyed listening to it.

那么我们开始吧。

So let's get into it.

埃里克·基瑟，关于行业中的完美陷阱的独白。

Eric Kiser, solo cast on the perfection trap in the trades.

大家好。

Hey, everyone.

欢迎回到《建筑暖通科学播客》。

Welcome back to the Building HVAC Science Podcast.

我是埃里克·基瑟。

Eric Kiser here.

本期节目我独自一人主持。

I'm solo on this episode.

我们收到一些听众请求，希望听纯独白类型的播客，所以这次我们来试试看效果如何。

We've had some requests for monologue podcasts, so we're gonna try that out and see how well it works.

在本期节目中，我问自己一个问题：够好能否就是完美？

On this episode, I'm asking myself the question, can good enough be perfect?

这其实是我生活中多次问过自己的问题，真的，我发现这个问题非常依赖情境，具有主观性，并且需要考虑很多因素。

And this is actually a question I've asked myself in real life quite a number of times, really, and I've found it to be very situational and subjective and have a lot of parameters to consider.

其中一个关键点是，当我们思考这个问题时，要意识到完美主义在我们许多人身上根深蒂固，尤其是在技术行业。

One of the big things is, when we consider this, that perfectionism runs deep for many of us, especially in the trades.

我认识很多从事技术行业的人，他们要么是完美主义者，要么有完美主义倾向，而且很多时候这种完美主义程度很高。

I've met a lot of people in the trades that are or have perfectionist tendencies, and it's a high level of perfectionism many times.

这种完美主义有时是助力，有时却是阻碍，因为它驱使我们不断超越自己，有时甚至超越我们所感知的周围人所定义的‘更好’和‘完美’。

Now, this perfectionism can be a help or a hindrance sometimes, because it drives us to be better than ourselves all the time, and sometimes better than those around us as we perceive what better is and what perfection is.

如果你经常浏览在线论坛，你可能会意识到，对每个人来说，完美并不相同，正如‘足够好’对每个人的意义也各不相同。

Now, if you spend much time in online forums, you're probably gonna realize that perfection is not the same for everyone, much like good enough is not the same for everyone.

现在我要回答我一开始提出的问题：我认为，‘足够好’在某些前提下可以成为完美。

And I'm going to answer the question that I asked right now at the beginning, and that is, I think good enough can be perfect with some caveats.

稍后我们会深入探讨这些前提，如果你想知道更多，请继续听下去。

We're gonna get into those in a little bit, so keep listening along if you wanna learn more.

我想带你看看丹·霍洛汉《逝者蒸汽学校》中的一段话。

I wanna take you to a quote from Dan Holohan's Dead Men's Steam School.

这段话是我最喜爱的关于‘足够好’的名言之一，它也融入了一点完美主义的意味。

Now this quote is one of my favorite quotes about good enough, and it layers in a little bit of perfectionism as well.

这段话是：一百年后，人们会凝视我的作品，惊叹于我的技艺，却永远不会知道我的名字，而这对我来说就已经足够了。

The quote is, a hundred years from now, they will gaze upon my work and marvel at my skills, but never know my name, and that will be good enough for me.

我非常喜欢这句话，原因有很多。

I love that quote for many, many reasons.

它触动了我，也触动了我那有时会困扰我的完美主义一面，但它同时也说：嘿，这已经足够好了。

It speaks to me, and it speaks to my perfectionist side, which I do struggle with from time to time, but it also says, hey, this is good enough.

这可是相当高的‘足够好’标准。

Now that's a pretty high level of good enough.

首先，你所做的事情必须能够留存一百年。

First off, whatever you're doing is gonna have to be around in a hundred years.

它必须能持续一百年，而且在一百年或更久之后，还得有人能看到你所做的工作。

It's gonna have to last a hundred years, and in a hundred years or more, somebody is going to have to see what you did.

他们必须仔细观察你所做的事，并为之惊叹。

They're gonna have to look at what you did, and they're gonna have to marvel at it.

因此，要想让一百年后的人对你的作品感到惊叹，你的技能水平必须非常高。

So you've gotta have a pretty high level of skills for someone to marvel at whatever you're doing in a hundred years.

而很可能没人知道我的名字，或者你的名字——无论你是谁——这可能性很大，因为我们有时并不会在作品上署名。

And probably not knowing my name or knowing your name, whoever it is, that's probably a pretty good chance, because sometimes we don't necessarily sign our work.

但所有这些对我来说都已经足够好了。

But all of that would be good enough for me.

这也可能让我们陷入困境，因为如果我们以这种方式对待每一种情况，我们就会以相当高的标准工作，而这可能无法达成目标。

This can also get us into trouble because if we approach every situation that way, we're going to be working at a pretty high level, and that might not meet the goals.

在今天的用语中，'足够好'在许多情况下已与低质量的工作同义。

In today's parlance, good enough has become synonymous with low quality work in many cases.

我们会听到这样的说法：'这对我家来说已经不错了'、'政府工作都够用了'、'对目标人群来说已经足够了'——这些话我其实都说过，而且在当时的语境下可能是合适的。

We'll hear sayings like, Looks good for my house, good enough for government work, good enough for who it's for, all of those I've actually said myself, and in the context that may have been appropriate.

但回头看看，也许它们也未必合适。

But looking back, maybe they weren't necessarily appropriate either.

所以，'足够好'其实是一个不断变化的目标。

So that good enough is very much a moving target.

我们之前提到过，围绕这一点有很多参数。

We mentioned earlier there's a lot of parameters around that.

让我们深入探讨一些这些参数，以及一些可能将'足够好'推向完美的其他因素。

So let's dig into some of those parameters and a few other things that may set good enough to perfect.

其中一些是，我认为这是一个关键问题：我们所做事情的目标是什么？

Some of these are and where this is a big one, I think, what is the goal of whatever it is we're doing?

这项工作需要在多长时间内完成？

What kind of time frame does this need to be achieved in?

我们可以省略或不做哪些事情，但仍能实现我们的目标？

What things can we leave out or not do and still meet our goal?

现在，很多人会提到一个叫做八二法则的规则。

Now, lot of people may mention a rule called the eightytwenty rule.

八二法则指出，80%的成果来自于20%的工作。

The eightytwenty rule says that 80% of your outcome is done by 20% of your work.

但这并不意味着80%就足够了，因为在这种情况下，我们必须达成100%的目标才算完美。

That doesn't necessarily mean that 80% is good enough because we need to hit a 100% of our goal in order to be perfect in this situation.

这可能只达到了绝对完美的80%，但在这种情况下，足够好可能就是完美。

Now that only may be 80% of the way to absolute perfection, but in that case, good enough might just be perfect.

潜在的结果有哪些？

What are potential outcomes?

如果我们省略某些部分，也许它只能持续五十年，而不是一百年。

So if we leave something out, maybe it's only gonna last fifty years instead of a hundred years.

这样可以接受吗？

Is that okay?

这样可以吗？

Is that acceptable?

我们是否会对某座建筑或机械部件采取措施，而这些部件本应只使用二十年，但我们却将其做到如此高的水平，使其能使用五十年甚至一百年？

Are we gonna do something to a building or a mechanical item that should probably only last twenty years, but we are gonna do it to such a high level that it's gonna last fifty years or a hundred years?

如果其他部分在我们投入大量时间和精力之前就已经失效，那么投入这些额外的时间和精力似乎并不值得。

Doesn't seem that spending that extra time and effort would really be worth it if the rest of something is going to fail in a much shorter time than the work we put into it.

所以，也许我们不需要做这么多工作。

So maybe we don't need to do as much work.

期望是什么？

What are the expectations?

我们必须理解来自多个方面的期望。

We have to understand the expectations of many different facets.

在为某人工作时，我们需要理解客户的期望，为此我们必须与他们进行良好沟通。

For working for somebody, we need to understand the customer's expectations, and in order to do that, we're going to have to communicate with them really well.

我们需要理解雇主的期望，也许还有同事的期望，因为如果你曾与完美主义者共事，他们会让你感到羞愧从而把事情做得更好，我们可以这么说。

We need to understand our employer's expectations, maybe our coworkers' expectations, because if you've ever worked around somebody that's a perfectionist, they can shame you into doing things better, we'll say.

也许我们在受监管的领域工作，需要接受检查或申请许可证，我们必须按照特定标准行事。

Maybe we work in a regulated area where we have inspections done, or permits that need to be pulled, and we have to do things to a certain standard.

如果我们达到或超过那个标准，那就可以被认为是足够好了。

Well, if we're meeting or exceeding that standard, that would be considered good enough.

而且你还必须考虑自己。

And you also have to consider yourself.

现在这对我来说可能是最重要的因素之一，我认为对很多人来说也是如此，因为作为一个追求完美的人，我对自己要求非常严格。

Now this is perhaps one of the most important factors to me, and I think to a lot of people out there, because as someone who strives for perfection a lot, I'm very hard on myself.

我可能对自己比任何人都更苛刻，因为我真的想要那种完美，这些年来我不得不学会如何收敛这种心态。

I can be probably harder on myself than anybody else is because I really want that perfection, and I've had to learn how to scale that back over the years.

有时我仍然会陷入追求绝对完美的困境，但我们必须对自己负责。

Sometimes I still get stuck in that searching for absolute perfection, but we have to answer to ourselves.

我举个例子，比如在处理燃气设备时，像建筑物或房屋里的燃气炉或燃气锅炉。

And I'll use an example of, we'll say, working on a fuel fired appliance, like a gas furnace or a gas boiler that's in a building or a house.

我的完美主义标准要求我对它进行燃烧分析，而我这么做是基于我职业生涯中学到的知识，但并不是每个人都有同样的知识水平或必要的工具来完成这项工作。

My level of perfection says that I have to do a combustion analysis on that, and I have to do that because of knowledge, because of things I've learned over my career, and not everybody has that same level of knowledge or the tools necessary to do it.

这是否意味着他们就不该做呢？

Does that mean they shouldn't do it?

实际上，这取决于他们的舒适程度，但我的舒适标准是，只要我处理燃气设备，就必须进行燃烧分析，否则在我看来，这件事就不算完美。

Really, that depends on their level of comfort, but my level of comfort says that I need to do a combustion analysis, and to me, something is not going to be perfect until I do a combustion analysis if I have to work on a fuel fired appliance.

所以，我认为这是一个很好的例子，展示了不同层次的完美主义。

So that is a really great example, I think, of differing levels of perfectionism.

有些人会上前直接调节燃气压力。

Some people are gonna walk up and set the gas pressure.

有些人会看看，说：‘看，火焰是蓝色的。’

Some people are gonna look at it and say, hey, that flame's blue.

烧得非常好。

It's burning great.

这对我来说已经足够好了。

That is good enough for me.

我们每个人都可以有不同的标准，都可以接受彼此的差异，每个人对“足够好”的定义都不同。

And we can all have those different levels, and we can all accept that we're all different, and each one of us has a different level of good enough.

因此，只要我在进入一个情境时，能明确设定预期，并建立我们之前讨论过的诸多参数。

So provided that when I go into a situation that I set the expectations well, and I set up a lot of the parameters that we discussed earlier.

当我完成工作后，我会问自己三个问题。

And when I'm done, I ask myself three questions.

我是否交付了承诺的内容？

Did I deliver what was promised?

是否在承诺的时间内完成了？

Was it done in the timeframe promised?

是否使用了承诺的资源完成的？

And was it done using the resources promised?

这些承诺的对象可能是客户、同事，也可能是配偶，甚至可能是我自己。

Now, those promises could be to a customer, to a coworker, maybe to a spouse, maybe to myself.

但如果我对这三个问题的回答都是肯定的，我就会认为我所做的事情对我来说已经足够好了。

But if I get three yeses from those three questions, then I tend to consider whatever I did good enough for me.

希望本集能引发你对什么对你来说是足够好的，以及对你周围的人什么是足够好的一些思考。

Now, hopefully, this episode has sparked some thought in you about what might be good enough for you and what's good enough for those around you.

愿本集对每个人来说都完美地足够好了。

May this episode be perfectly good enough for everyone.

我们下一期再见。

See you on the next one.

感谢收听《建筑暖通科学播客》的这一期节目。

Thanks for listening to this episode of the Building HVAC Science Podcast.

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Some of the topics we discuss require technical training for proper interpretation or safe execution.

因此，如果你是经过培训的专业人士，可以立即继续。

So if you're a trained pro, you can proceed immediately.

如果你不是，请咨询并聘请一位经过培训的专业人士。

If you're not, please consult with and hire a trained pro.

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The Building HVAC Science Podcast is a production of Tru Tech Tools Limited.

为了充分披露，我是Tru Tech的创始人之一，节目中表达的观点取决于说话者本人，可能是我的、嘉宾的，或联合主持人的观点。

In full disclosure, I'm one of the owners of Tru Tech, and the opinions expressed to those of my guests, my cohost, or myself, depending on who is speaking, of course.

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That's trutechtools.com.

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You can use the offer code h v a c b s for a nice discount.

感谢你收听本集节目，也感谢所有其他优秀的平台、行业相关资源和影响者。

Well, thank you for listening, and thank all those other great platforms and trade related resources and influencers that are out there.

接下来我将直接念出一份名单：Measure Quick。

And I'm just gonna read down a list here, measure quick.

HVAC Checks、HVAC or School、HVAC Shop Talk、Steven Rairdon、HVAC Reefer Guy、Tool Pros、Service Business Mastery、Quality HVAC、HVAC Overtime、HVACR Videos、HVAC Grapevine、homediagnosis.tv，以及AC Service Tech。

HVAC checks, HVAC or school, HVAC shop talk, Steven Rairdon, HVAC reefer guy, tool pros, Service Business Mastery, Quality HVAC, HVAC Overtime, HVACR Videos, HVAC Grapevine, homediagnosis.tv, and AC Service Tech.

感谢所有制作这些优质资源的人，它们为许多人提供了帮助。

Thank you to all those folks that are making those great resources that are available to so many.

希望您喜欢这一集，期待您再次回到《建筑暖通空调科学播客》收听更多内容。

Hope you enjoyed this episode, and look forward to having you come back again to listen to more on the Building HVAC Science Podcast.

保重。

Take care.