BE 369：商务英语的“元”究竟体现在哪里？

这里是商务英语播客，第三百六十九期。

This is the Business English Podcast episode three sixty nine.

商务英语有什么玄机呢？

What's so meta about business English?

欢迎收听来自All Ears English的商务英语播客。

Welcome to the Business English Podcast from All Ears English.

获取你在全球商务中实现梦想所需的英语技能。

Get the the English skills you need to achieve your dreams in global business.

无论是演讲、开会，还是公司聚会，这就是真实商务英语，由你最喜爱的美国主持人Lindsay和Aubrey为你带来，她们分别来自美国亚利桑那州和科罗拉多州。

For a presentation, a meeting, or your office party, this is Real Business English with your favorite American hosts, Lindsay and Aubrey, coming to you from Arizona and Colorado, USA.

你有没有听过母语者说话，然后心想：单词我都懂，但还是有点摸不着头脑？

Have you ever listened to native speakers and thought, I understand the words, but I still feel slightly lost.

那是因为真实的英语对话不只是词汇。

That's because real English conversations include more than vocabulary.

还有语速、连读、文化梗和各种短语。

There's speed, there's connected speech, there are cultural references and phrases.

你的大脑得实时处理所有这些信息。

Your brain has to process all of this in real time.

如果对话有时让你觉得应付不过来，那可能只是说明你已经准备好进入下一阶段的训练了。

If conversations sometimes feel overwhelming, it may simply mean you're ready for the next level of training.

通过我们快速免费的流利度测试，了解你的确切水平。

Find out your exact level with our quick free fluency quiz.

访问 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

Go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

就是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allearsenglish.comfluencyscore.

嘿，Aubrey。

Hey, Aubrey.

今天怎么样？

How's it going today?

我很好。

I'm great.

林赛，你好吗？

How are you, Lindsey?

挺好的。

Good.

奥布里，你喜欢恐怖片吗？

Aubrey, do you like horror movies?

看情况吧。

It depends.

我喜欢那种悬疑紧张的片子，但太血腥的我不太喜欢。

I like suspenseful movies, but I don't like it when it's super gory.

那你呢？

What about you?

哦，是啊。

Oh, yeah.

血腥场面我们真的不需要。

Gore we don't need gore.

我们不需要，我也有同感。

We don't need I feel the same way.

我更喜欢那种惊悚片的感觉。

Kinda more like a thriller is what I like.

我喜欢惊悚片。

I like a thriller.

但如果你经历过九十年代，你不可能错过《惊声尖叫》这部电影。

But if you were around in the nineties, you couldn't have missed the movie Scream.

你看过吗？

Did you see it?

是的，我在电影院看过。

Yes, I saw that in the theater.

记得呢。

Remember it.

很喜欢。

Loved it.

真的很棒。

Was really great.

不想剧透，万一你们还没看过，但电影开头有个非常出人意料的死亡，我当时都震惊了。

Don't want to no spoilers in case you guys haven't seen it, but there's this very surprising death early in the I was shocked.

你还记得那个吗？

Do you remember that?

比如，什么？

Like, what?

当然。

For sure.

这部电影确实有很多惊喜。

The movie, it pulls out a lot of surprises for sure.

我当时，我真是……

And I I was

电影上映时我还是个 teenager。

a teenager when it came out.

我觉得我当时可能正好和电影里的角色差不多大，所以我也挺想去电影院看的。

I feel like I was probably the the age of the the characters, so I also kinda went to see it in the movie.

然后当你和角色同龄，经历着同样的高中生活时，你就会产生共鸣。

And then you kinda relate when you're the same age and going through the same high school stuff as the character.

所以那部电影对我来说意义重大。

So that was a big movie for me.

但是你有没有注意到《惊声尖叫》和那些经典老恐怖片，比如《十三号星期五》《万圣节》或者《驱魔人》有什么不同，Aubrey？

But did you notice anything that was kinda different about the movie Scream compared to the older classical horror films like Friday the thirteenth or Halloween or The Exorcist, Aubrey?

你有没有注意到什么不太一样的地方？

Did you notice anything a little different?

对。

Yeah.

它超级元。

It was super meta.

对吧？

Right?

它拿自己的类型开玩笑。

It made fun of its own genre.

我18、19岁看的时候，好像没注意到这一点。

I don't think I noticed this when I saw it as what an 18, 19 year old.

但几年后我又看了一遍。

But I saw it again years later.

我记得当时心想，哇，这太聪明了。

And I remember being like, oh, this is super clever.

它有点

It's kind of

挺有意思的，我们过了十年、十五年再看，大脑更成熟了，就能发现以前没注意到的东西。

funny how we notice things, you know, ten years later, fifteen years later, our brain has developed more, and then we see something we didn't see.

我很喜欢这个测试。

I love this quiz.

所以今天这期节目我们要根据一位听众的问题来聊，并且把它放在商务英语的背景下。

So we're gonna do this episode today about based on a listener question, and we're gonna put it in the context of business English.

这是一个很重要的概念，如果我们的听众能理解这种“元”的概念。

This is a big concept that if our listeners can capture this concept of it's meta.

你说的，Aubrey，这非常“元”。

What you said, Aubrey, it's super meta.

你再说一遍，你是什么意思？

What did you mean again by that?

再说一次。

One more time.

所以，那部电影，它有点调侃自己的类型。

So, that film, it sort of poked fun at its own genre.

通常当某样东西是“元”的时候，它更明显地是在谈论自己。

Often when something's meta, it's more obviously talking about itself.

就像戏中戏，取笑原来的那部戏。

So maybe like a play within a play that's making fun of the original play.

就像那种打破第四面墙的东西，他们常这么说。

Like something that sort of breaks the fourth wall as they say.

是的。

Yes.

而且让观众有种窥见幕后之感。

And allows the audience in sort of behind the scenes.

对。

Yeah.

它有多层含义。

Multiple layers to it.

更复杂。

It's more complex.

更有趣。

It's more interesting.

那我接下来要读一下来自YouTube听众的问题。

So I'm gonna go ahead and read the question from our listener from YouTube.

这是来自Laura Souza 1434的提问。

This is from Laura Souza 1434.

准备好了吗，奥布里？

You ready, Aubrey?

准备好了。

Yeah.

开始吧。

Let's do it.

好。

Alright.

所以劳拉说，这期节目一如既往地精彩。

So Laura says, high grade episode as always.

我特别喜欢。

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

我有个问题。

I have a question.

一开始，我听到林赛说，从更宏观的角度来看，你们完全可以围绕这个话题本身展开一场非常棒的深度对话。

At the beginning, I heard Lindsay say, on a meta level, guys, you could have a great connection conversation about this topic itself.

这里说的“元层面”是什么意思？

What does a meta level mean here?

我经常听人说，这也太“元”了吧。

I often hear people say, that's so meta.

我在想它是不是跟“之后”和“超越”一个意思。

And I was wondering if it has the same meaning as after and beyond.

亲亲抱抱。

XOXO.

真棒。

Lovely.

是的。

Yes.

真是个

Such a

好问题。

great question.

这个问题问得真好。

Such a great question.

我们刚才已经聊了meta是什么意思。

So we've just talked about what meta means.

先把那个搞清楚。

First of all, getting that out of the way.

我们说的是一些自我指涉或者有自我意识的情境、艺术作品或讨论。

So we're describing situations or works of art or discussions that are self referential or they are self aware.

它们会突出自己的本质或结构。

So they they highlight their own nature or their own structure.

就像《惊声尖叫》那样，其实我们待会儿会聊聊《惊声尖叫》是怎么做到的。

Like the way that Scream I mean, we'll talk a little bit about how Scream does this, actually.

我们现在就来深入聊聊吧，Aubrey。

Let's dive into this right now, Aubrey.

《惊声尖叫》是怎么做到的呢？首先，它是1996年上映的，导演是韦斯·克雷文。

How does Scream well, first of all, 1996 release, director was Wes Craven.

如果你们还没看过的话，朋友们，快去看电影《惊声尖叫》吧。

If you haven't seen it, guys, go and watch the movie Scream.

这是我要给的第一条建议。

That's my first tip.

对。

Yes.

对吧？

Right?

我们在这里不会剧透，但要说它有多“元”，这部电影就是在拿典型的恐怖片场景和常见套路开玩笑。

We won't do any plot spoilers here, but just to talk about how meta it is, the movie makes fun of typical horror scenes and what tends to happen in the typical movie.

这也让我想起电影《少儿不宜》，那部片子也超级“元”，就是专门调侃那些每部青春片里都会出现的老梗。

It reminds me also of the film, Not Another Teen Movie, which was also super meta and just kind of poked fun at these things that happen in every teen movie.

比如女生摘下眼镜，突然就变漂亮了。

Like the girl takes off her glasses and all of a sudden she's gorgeous.

没错。

Yes.

就像在取笑那种情节一样。

And like make fun of that happening.

而《惊声尖叫》对每部恐怖片都是这么做的。

And that's exactly what scream does for every horror movie.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

你知道，电影里的那些青少年在讨论那些杀人狂电影。

You know, the teenagers in the movie were talking about the slasher movies.

对吧？

Right?

就是它们都有那些一样的场景。

And how they all have those same scenes.

那个女人跑上楼梯。

The woman running up the stairs.

那为什么要往楼上跑呢？

Well, why would you run up the stairs?

为什么不直接跑出大门呢？

Why wouldn't you run out the door of the house?

对吧？

Right?

但《惊声尖叫》里就是这样演的。

But then that happens in Scream.

不是吗？

Right?

对。

Yes.

在《惊声尖叫》里确实发生了。

It happens in Scream.

这设计得很巧妙。

That's very clever.

没错。

Exactly.

或者开场那段，是不是德鲁·巴里摩尔在

Or the opening scene was it Drew Barrymore who was

《惊声尖叫》里？

in Scream?

德鲁·巴里摩尔在接电话。

Drew Barrymore was on the phone.

然后那个男的问她最喜欢的恐怖片是哪部。

And the guy asks her what her favorite horror movie is.

所以，是的。

So Yes.

他们在电话里聊恐怖片，还说这些情节发生得多傻。

They're talking about horror movies on the phone and how, oh, it's so silly how these things happen.

而与此同时，电影里正发生着同样的事。

Meanwhile, that's exactly what's happening in the movie.

她就是这么做的。

That's exactly what she does.

所以她描述了女孩通常的反应，然后自己也做了同样的事。

So she describes how the girl typically reacts and she does the same thing.

对。

Right.

没错。

Exactly.

还有哪些其他的例子？

What are some other examples?

因为你在很多艺术作品里都能看到这种元叙事。

Because you see meta a lot in works of art.

确实。

Absolutely.

对。

Right.

你有没有看过或读过《罗森克兰茨和吉尔登斯特恩已死》？这是一部关于排演戏剧的戏，或者说是戏中戏。

A play about making a play or a play within Did a you ever see or read Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead?

听起来很耳熟。

That sounds really familiar.

对。

Yeah.

在莎士比亚的《哈姆雷特》里，哈姆雷特有两个朋友，罗森克兰茨和吉尔登斯特恩。

So this is their, in the play Hamlet by William Shakespeare, he has these two friends, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

他们的所作所为有点让人摸不着头脑。

And what they do kind of doesn't make sense.

他们有点像叛徒，对哈姆雷特不忠诚。

They sort of like are traitorous, They're not loyal to him.

他们倒是忠于他的父母。

They're like loyal to his parents.

所以有一部非常巧妙的戏，超级元叙事，专门讲罗森克兰茨和吉尔登斯特恩的故事。

So there's this brilliant play that's super meta, that's just about Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

他们非常聪明。

They're like, very bright.

就像这些奇怪的事情发生，同时《哈姆雷特》里的一切也在发生。

Like these weird things are happening and then everything happening in Hamlet happens as well.

但这其实是在评论一个事实：如果罗森克兰茨和吉尔登斯特恩真的是哈姆雷特的朋友，那他们在《哈姆雷特》里的行为就说不通了。

But it's like a commentary on the fact that what they were doing in Hamlet really didn't make sense for who they would be if they're really Hamlet's friends.

这非常元。

It's very meta.

非常巧妙。

It's very clever.

我强烈推荐。

I highly recommend it.

我很喜欢。

I love it.

所以，最有趣的地方，就是你在欣赏艺术、电影、书籍，或者某种程度上音乐的时候，会发现这个概念，也会用到这个词。

So kind of the most interesting place to find this concept and to use this word is honestly in when you consume the arts, movies, books, maybe music in some way.

肯定有，我确信有些歌曲也带有这种自我指涉的特质，戏剧里当然也有。

There must be some I'm sure there are songs that show kind of meta qualities, plays Sure.

就是这类东西。

That kind of thing.

不过我们决定今天这期用这个来讲解商务英语，因为我们在日常中也会这么说。

But we decided to take this episode for Business English today because we also say this.

对吧？

Right?

我们会用不同的方式来表达这一点，稍后在节目里我们会具体展示一下我们是怎么说的。

We say this in different ways, and we're gonna show you a little bit later in the episode exactly what we say.

不过，奥布里，在职场中有哪些情况会让你觉得挺有"元"感的？

But what are some scenarios that would strike you, Aubrey, as meta at work?

嗯，这还挺有意思的。

Well, it's interesting.

如果你回顾劳拉的问题，你在节目里提到过，从更宏观的角度来看，你们可以就这个话题展开一场很棒的对话。

If you look at Laura's question where you said in the episode, on a meta level, you can have a great connection conversation about this.

想象一下，我们在谈论虚拟语气，还有美国人故意用错它有多疯狂。

Imagine we're talking about like the subjunctive tense and how crazy it is that Americans intentionally use it wrong.

然后你可能会说，从元层面来看，你只需要讨论一下，美国人故意用错这个有多疯狂，对吧？

Then you might say on a meta level, you could just have a conversation about how crazy is that, that Americans use this wrong on purpose, right?

是的。

Yes.

这种事情在商务英语中经常出现，你在谈论一些有趣或讽刺的事情，这就成了很好的连接技巧。

And that kind of thing comes up all the time in business English, where you're talking about something that's interesting or ironic, and that creates this great connection skill.

没错。

Exactly.

在我们的All Ears English播客中也经常看到这种情况。

And we see this a lot on our All Ears English episodes too.

通常会有几个要点。

There are often a few takeaways.

你知道，我们可以学习任务、技能，然后实际上它也会引出一些话题，我们可以谈论学习那个技能，或者与之相关的事情。

You know, we can learn the task, the skill, and then we can actually it also leads to something that we can talk about either learning that skill or something related to that skill.

所以，这有好几层。

So, you have this on multiple layers.

这种事情，你只有亲眼见到才会明白。

It's kind of the sort of thing where you only know it when you see it.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

所以，想象一下，你在主持一个公司会议，讨论你们公司多久开一次会，对吧？

So, imagine you're in you're conducting a company meeting about how often you meet as a company, right?

或者应该多久开一次。

Or how often you should meet.

然后有人可能会说，这太元了，我们居然在开会讨论要不要开会。

And someone might be like, This is so meta that we are having a meeting about whether or not we should have a meeting about this.

开会讨论开会这件事。

A meeting about the meeting.

是啊，企业界特别擅长这种事情。

And I the corporate world is famous for that.

如果你在企业里工作过，你会觉得好多时间都白白浪费了，特别让人抓狂。

If you've ever worked in the corporate world, think get really frustrated that there's a lot of wasted time.

我们正在开一个关于那个会议的会议，对吧？

We're having a meeting about a meeting about that meeting, right?

或者就像一对情侣在争论他们吵架的频率。

Or maybe like a couple is arguing about how frequently they argue.

这挺meta的。

That's kind of meta.

好了，现在我们又在争论到底该不该为这件事吵架。

Okay, now we're arguing about whether or not we should be arguing about this.

没错。

Exactly.

你觉得 meta 的意思和讽刺是一回事吗，奥布里？

And do you think that meta means the same thing as ironic, Aubrey?

你怎么看？

What What do you think?

是不是……

Is it

是一样的，还是不一样的。

the it's same different.

对。

Yeah.

带有元性质的东西往往带着讽刺意味。

Something that's meta can be ironic.

我们可以说，比如我们每周都在开会讨论会议数量，这本身就挺讽刺的。

Can say like, this is ironic that we are meeting about how many meetings we have each week.

没错。

Yes.

当出现自我指涉时，那通常就是元叙事，但并不一定带有讽刺意味。

When there is self reference that often is meta without having any irony.

没错。

Exactly.

所以它们并不是同一个概念。

So they're not the same thing.

因此别把这两个词搞混了。

So don't get confused between the two words.

别把它们混为一谈。

Don't use them interchangeably.

再说一遍，有时候带有元叙事色彩的东西可能包含讽刺意味，但也不一定非得如此。

Again, sometimes something that is meta can have irony, but it doesn't have to.

明白了吗？

Okay?

那么具体该怎么做呢？首先，我想回到劳拉的问题上，她确实问了：这是否意味着在……之后以及超越……？

So how exactly well, first of all, I wanna go back up to Laura's question, and she did ask a question, does it mean after and beyond?

我当时没太明白她的意思。

And I wasn't clear on what she meant.

奥布里，你觉得她问的‘之后’和‘超越’到底是什么意思？

Do you have a sense of what she's asking there with after and beyond, Aubrey?

我觉得她可能是对你说的‘在元层面上’这句话产生了误解。

I think it was just sort of a misunderstanding of what you meant when you said this on a meta level.

对。

Yes.

所以我觉得，一旦你明白了自己指的是什么，你就可以像讨论策略或语法那样去聊这个话题，而不是直接在对话里用它。

So I think once you understand what you were referring to, you were saying like, you could actually have a conversation about this, about the strategy, about the grammar, instead of using it in your conversation.

你甚至可以聊聊英语里这种用法有多奇怪，对吧？

You could even talk about how this is weird about English, right?

它的意思并不等同于“之后”或者“超越”。

It doesn't mean the same as after or beyond.

它有非常特定的含义，就是说这是元叙事，或者是自我指涉的。

This has a very specific meaning saying like, this is meta, this is self referential.

而且我们平时不会特意去找这些场景，但一旦看到，就会给它们起个名字。

And often we don't go around looking for these scenarios, but when we see them, we name them.

那现在我们用什么词来称呼它们呢？

So now what words do we use to name them?

你知道，我们怎么说？

You know, what do we say?

在那期节目里，我说的是“在元层面上”，但其实我们还有其他说法。

In that episode, I said on a meta level, but there are other things we can say here.

Aubrey，其中一个说法是什么？

Aubrey, what would be one of them?

对，你可以说，“哇，这太元了。”

Yeah, you could say, oh, that's so meta.

而且我们经常这么做。

And we often do this.

我们就会直接指出来，像这样。

We'll just point it out like this.

我们一边做这件事一边讨论这个，真是太疯狂了。

This is crazy that we are talking about this while we're doing it.

遇到这种很抽象的事情，就指出来。

Something that's meta, point it out.

直接说，这真的很抽象。

Just say, this is really meta.

对。

Yeah.

为了确保我们的听众不会混淆，这里说的不是那个以前叫Facebook的公司。

And just to make sure that our listeners aren't confused, this is not referring to the former the company formerly known as Facebook.

我不知道他们那个名字是从哪来的。

I don't know where they got that name.

也许元宇宙这个概念和“元”这个字有点关系。

Maybe the metaverse is related to the idea of meta.

很可能有关系。

It probably is.

我确定是这样的。

I'm sure it is.

但今天我们不会深入讨论这个。

But we're not going into that as much today.

对。

Yeah.

那是元宇宙里一个完全不同的话题。

That's a whole different topic in the metaverse.

对吧？

Right?

那是超级英雄电影和那些节目创造出来的东西，你知道的，它们有点相关，但跟商业世界的关联没那么大。

That's that's something created by, superhero films and that, you know, shows that exist, they are kind of related, but it's not as much how it's related to the business world.

就是……

It's just

哦，那太元了。

Oh, that's meta.

我觉得这对商务英语来说更容易理解。

I would say it's much more accessible for business English.

对吧？

Right?

这些场景对我们来说更容易理解。

The scenarios to label them much more accessible for us today.

所以再说一次，在元层面上，我想我在那期节目里说过。

So again, another one on a meta level is what I guess I said in that episode.

不过我们可以在这里发挥创意。

What We can get creative here though.

对，我们可以说我们太元了，或者如果你在做这件事，你太元了，对吧？

Yeah, we can say we're so meta or you're so meta if someone is doing this, right?

如果他们以某种方式指出某件事具有讽刺意味，对吧？

If they are sort of pointing out that something is ironic in a way, right?

这是一种有趣的方式，比如，哦，你现在太元了。

It's kind of a fun way to be like, Oh, you're so meta right now.

你太自我指涉了，对吧？

You're so meta, right?

这么说挺时髦的，或者可能是几年前流行的，也可以说，太元了。

It's sort of trendy to say that, or maybe it was a few years ago, or you could say, Very meta.

太元了。

Very meta.

如果你觉得自己目睹或参与了具有这些特点的场景，加上这句话会显得既聪明又有趣。

Kind of a smart, fun thing to add if you believe you're witnessing a scenario or participating a scenario that shows these qualities.

对，我同意。

Yes, I agree.

这个几年前特别火，但现在我还是能听到。

This got super trendy a few years ago, but I still hear it.

你们现在还是可以用的。

You guys can still use it.

你在工作场合、播客里还是会听到的。

You're still going to hear it at work, on podcasts.

现在你会更明白那是什么意思了。

Now you'll have a better understanding of what that means.

我很喜欢。

I love it.

很多学英语的人都很注重语法。

Many English learners focus on grammar.

他们希望自己的句子是正确的，但流利不仅仅是正确。

They want their sentences to be correct, but fluency isn't just about being correct.

流利还意味着听起来自然，选对表达方式，不用在脑子里逐句翻译就能快速回应。

It's about sounding natural, choosing the right phrase, responding quickly without translating every thought in your head.

这就是为什么有些人语法规则知道很多，但在对话中还是觉得不自在。

That's why someone can know a lot of grammar rules and still feel uncomfortable in conversations.

真正的流利来自于理解语言模式、语气和自然的表达。

Real fluency comes from understanding patterns, tone, and natural expressions.

我们免费的“两分钟流利度测试”能帮你了解自己的水平，以及哪些技能能让你更进一步。

Our free two minute fluency quiz helps you discover your level and what skills will move you forward.

现在就去 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore 参加测试吧。

Go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore to take the quiz right now.

网址是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

好的，Aubrey。

Okay, Aubrey.

我们回来了。

We are back.

对了，我还想到一个例子。

So I have one other example that came to mind.

你知道，我上TESOL课程的时候，就是在佛蒙特州的布拉特尔伯勒进修的。TESOL就是教外国人学英语的课程。

You know, when I did my TESOL course, which is teaching English to speakers of other languages, I studied up in Brattleboro, Vermont.

这门课让我印象最深的是，它办得特别规范，质量也非常高。

And everything we did what struck me about this course, it was actually incredibly well run, incredibly high quality.

培训师们都很棒。

The trainers were amazing.

他们都在世界各地教过英语。

They had taught English all over the world.

那是个非常密集的课程，但一切都很有元认知性。

It was a very intensive course, but everything was meta.

我们学习了如何增加学生说话时间的方法，然后整个培训课程的设计就是让我们当学生。

So we learned the methods of how to increase student talking time, and then the whole training course was set up so that we were the students.

作为课程中的学生，我们专注于多说话。

As the students in the course, we're focused on talking a lot.

你知道，所以我们被要求使用那些我们以后会让学生使用的方法，如果那

You know, we so we were asked to use the methods that we would later have our students use, if that

对，是的。

makes Yes.

这在教学课程中很常见，因为当你在学习如何教学时，老师当然会用那些方法在课堂上教你如何教学。

This happens a lot with teaching courses because as you're learning how to teach, of course, the teacher is using those methods with the class where you are learning how to teach.

结果就变得非常元认知。

It ends up being very meta.

对。

Yeah.

这真的很酷。

Which is really cool.

有时候你真的能感觉到它让你沉浸在那种学习方式中，所以这真的是一种很酷的方式。没错。

And sometimes you could really feel it really immerses you in the learning in a way, so it's kind of a really cool way Absolutely.

去做。这也让我想到一句话：光说不练假把式。

To do Also, it makes me think of the phrase, don't talk the talk unless you can walk the walk.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

这让我想起我的ESL硕士学位，有一门课是艺术与ESL结合，所以他们教我们让学生做的所有事情，我们都做了。是的。

It reminds me for ESL, my Master's degree, there was an art, it was like art through ESL, so everything that they were teaching us to have the students do, we did, Yes.

我们会创作这些艺术项目，然后……

We'd like create these art projects, and so,

对，你得说到做到。

yeah, you've got to be able to walk the walk.

你确实会做一些有趣的项目。

You end up doing some interesting projects for sure.

当然。

Absolutely.

好的。

Alright.

那么，现在我们来看一个角色扮演，看看这在日常工作中是怎么用的。

So, let's see now in a role play exactly how this would come in in just an everyday normal conversation at work.

对吧？

Right?

因为有很多机会可以把这个用上。

Because there are opportunities to throw this in.

奥布里，这里是什么场景？

What's the scenario here, Aubrey?

我们在一家大型食品制造公司工作。

So we work for a large food manufacturing company.

我们正要开个小团队会议，讨论一下平时开会的方式。

We are having a small team meeting to discuss the way we conduct meetings.

这话题真是够绕的。

Very Very meta.

场景就是这样。

Here we are.

我先来。

I'll start us.

嘿，Lindsay，周末过得怎么样？

Hey Lindsay, how was your weekend?

挺好的。

Great.

我看了电影《惊声尖叫》。

I watched the movie Scream.

你还记得那部电影吗？

Remember that one?

太九十年代了。

So nineties.

我喜欢那部电影的自嘲风格。

I love how meta that movie is.

同意。

Agreed.

好。

Alright.

大家，我们开始吧。

Let's get started team.

所以，随着2025年的开始，我想提议改变我们开会的方式。

So as we kick off 2025, I'd like to propose a change in how we conduct our meetings.

哦，开会讨论我们的会议？

Oh, a meeting about our meetings?

我们真是太有层次了。

We are so meta.

对。

Yeah.

所以我觉得每周换一个人来主持会议会比较好。

So I think it would make sense to have a different person lead the meeting each week.

这个想法挺有意思的。

That's an interesting idea.

为什么？

Why?

为了让更多人承担领导角色。

To get more people taking on a leadership role.

哦，有道理。

Oh, makes sense.

不错。

Nice.

所以这里我们用了好几次“meta”这个词，你也发表了一个评论。在评论媒体、音乐、电影或戏剧时，这种情况非常常见。

So we had a couple uses of meta here, and you made a comment, and very common when you're commenting on media, music, movies, plays.

对吧？

Right?

你说：“哦，原来是九十年代的风格。”

You said, oh, so nineties.

我特别喜欢那部电影里的“meta”元素。

I love how meta that movie is.

所以我觉得这件事特别有meta感，我很喜欢。

So I love how meta that something is.

对。

Yeah.

而且这确实能让关于媒体和音乐的讨论变得更有趣。

And this is really a way to to make a conversation about media, about music more interesting.

你会聊得更深入一些，因为meta意味着你不只停留在表面。

You're going to get a little deeper about because meta, it's you're not staying surface level.