BE 38：如何通过找到合适的工作来成为不可或缺的人

这里是商务英语播客第38集。

This is the Business English Podcast episode 38.

如何找到合适的工作，让自己物有所值。

How to be worth your salt by finding the right job.

欢迎

Welcome

收听来自All Ears English的商务英语播客。

to the Business English Podcast from All Ears English.

掌握你在全球商务中实现梦想所需的英语技能。

Get the English skills you need to achieve your dreams in global business.

无论是做演示、开会还是参加办公室聚会，这都是真正的商务英语，由你最喜爱的美国主持人Lindsay和Michelle带来，她们分别来自美国纽约市和科罗拉多州。

For a presentation, a meeting, or your office party, this is real business English with your favorite American hosts, Lindsay and Michelle, coming to you from New York City and Colorado, USA.

英语学习者最大的错误是什么？

The biggest mistake English learners make?

就是认为自己已经停滞不前了。

Assuming they're stuck.

他们觉得自己已经到极限了，但其实大多数学习者根本没有达到极限。

They think they've reached their limit, but most learners haven't reached a limit at all.

他们只是把精力放在了不适合自己当前水平的技能上。

They're simply focusing on the wrong skills for their current level.

所以，了解自己的水平很重要。

That's why understanding your level matters.

我们免费的2分钟流利度测试能帮你找到自己的位置，以及下一步该提升什么。

Our free two minute fluency quiz helps you identify where you are what to improve next.

去 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore 参加我们免费的2分钟测试吧。

Go to allearsenglish.com fluency score to take our free two minute quiz.

网址是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allearsenglish.comfluencyscore.

米歇尔，最近怎么样？

What's going on, Michelle?

这是我们第二次录制这一集了，不过没关系。

This is the second time around that we're recording this this episode, but that's okay.

你好吗？

How's it

挺好的。

going?

我很好。

It's good.

你呢？

How are you?

我感觉不错。

I'm feeling good.

刚过了一个轻松愉快的周末，感觉很好。

I'm feeling good just coming off of a nice restful weekend.

好。

Good.

你知道吗？

You know?

我是说，今天下雨了，但昨天天气特别好。

I mean, it's rainy today, but yesterday was a beautiful day.

所以那真是太棒了。

So that's awesome.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我特别喜欢这个天气。

I'm loving the weather.

对。

Yeah.

春天嘛。

The the springtime.

你最近去过中央公园吗？

Have you been to Central Park lately?

没有。

No.

我有一阵子没去了。

I haven't been in a while.

我得去一趟。

I need to go.

对。

Yeah.

你家附近有没有你喜欢的公园？

Do you have any parks near your house that you like to go to?

有。

Yeah.

确实有。

I do, actually.

我昨天就在公园里散步，能在外面走走真好，而且晚上天也亮得晚了。

I was just walking in the park yesterday, and it was so nice to be outside, and just for it to be light later at night.

唉。

Ugh.

太糟糕了。

So bad.

太好了，太好了。

So so good.

对。

Yeah.

那太棒了。

That is awesome.

那太棒了。

That's awesome.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以，各位，今天我们聊一个习语，我们真的希望你们能了解习语，因为这是了解一个文化的重要方式。

So, guys, today we're talking about an idiom, and we really want you to get to know idioms because it's important an important way to learn a lot about a culture.

对吧？

Right?

了解他们怎么衡量事物，以及他们关心什么。

How things are measured and what people care about.

那我们今天要聊的习语是什么，米歇尔？

And what's the phrase we're talking about today, Michelle?

这个习语是“worth your salt”。

The phrase is to be worth your salt.

对。

Yeah.

那它是什么意思呢？

And what does it mean?

它的意思是，就像，

It means, like,

就是值得你拿的那份薪水。

to be worth your to be worth one's pay.

对吧？

Right?

但也可以泛指有价值。

But it can also just mean to, like, have value in a general sense.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

不一定非得跟工作有关。

It's not always directly about a career.

可以是工作，但也可以是你给生活各个方面带来的价值。

It can be, but it can also be about, like, the value that you bring to the table in a number of ways, like a number of areas of your life.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Mhmm.

所以我们也不太确定这个说法的来源。

So we're not exactly sure where this comes from.

你们可以上网查一下。

You guys can look it up online.

每个短语都有它的历史，我不是这方面的专家，所以我们聊语言。

There's always a history to every phrase, and I'm not a So we talk about language.

如果你真的对历史感兴趣，就去查一查，做点研究，找出它的来源。

If you're really interested in history, look it up, and do the research to find out where it come from comes from.

不过，米歇尔，我们来举几个例子吧，这样听众就能明白这个用法了。

But let's throw out some examples, Michelle, so that our listeners can see how this is used.

因为我觉得最近几周我就在聊天中用过这个说法。

Because I feel like I've used this recently in the last couple of weeks, you know, just in conversations.

对。

Mhmm.

第一个例子是什么？

What's the first example?

好的。

Okay.

第一个例子是，任何称职的雅思老师都能告诉你，在口语考试中，哪个词汇能让你得六分，哪个能让你得七分。

So the first example is any IELTS teacher worth their salt can tell you the difference between a vocabulary word that will get you a score of a six versus a score of a seven on the speaking test.

对。

Right.

我觉得这个话题我们在雅思能量播客里聊过。

And I think this is something that we've talked about on the IELTS Energy podcast.

对吧？

Right?

所以教雅思和教普通英语是很不一样的。

So teaching IELTS versus teaching general English is very different.

所以我们提醒学生，不要请普通英语老师来教雅思。

So we warn our students not to hire a general English teacher to teach IELTS.

这差别真的太大了。

It's so, so different.

他们必须非常了解评分系统。

They have to have a really good sense of the scoring system.

所以我们可以用这个来说，任何称职的雅思老师都能给你展示六分和七分之间的区别。

So we can use this to say, any teacher, any IELTS teacher worth their salt can show you the differences between a score of a six and a score of a seven.

这是那个短语的一个很好的例子。

That's a really good example of the use of that phrase.

对吧？

Okay?

再举一个例子。

And here's another one.

任何称职的纽约导游都应该对布鲁克林了如指掌。

Any New York tour guide worth their salt should know Brooklyn like the back of their hand.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我以前在纽约当过导游，但我绝对没有对布鲁克林了如指掌。

I was a tour guide in New York once, and I definitely didn't know Brooklyn like the back of my hand.

哦，那太糟糕了。

Oh, it was horrible.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

我们迷路了。

We got lost.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, really?

是的。

Yeah.

在二三号线上。

On the two three train.

哦，我想你说过

Oh, I think you talked

你之前提过这件事。

about this once.

对。

Yeah.

那确实挺让人紧张的。

Well, that would be stressful.

是啊。

Yeah.

真的非常紧张。

It was really stressful.

我当时带着一群法国高中生，结果完全错过了自然历史博物馆那一站。

I was with a bunch of high school students from France, and we totally missed the stop for the the Natural History Museum.

我们一路往哈莱姆方向去了，搞得一团糟。

We're headed towards Harlem, and it was a big mess.

哎呀。

Oh, boy.

对。

Yeah.

哦，天哪。

Oh, gosh.

我喜欢这个说法，就像了解自己的手背一样。

I like that phrase, like the back of their hand.

像手背一样？那是什么意思？

Like the back What of their does that mean?

我觉得这挺有意思的。

I mean, that's kind of interesting.

就像是

It's like

你非常熟悉它。

you know it so well.

差不多是因为，这个说法的意思是，你无论在哪里都能认出自己的手背。

It's almost like because the idea is that you can recognize the back of your hand anywhere.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

差不多就是这个意思。

That's kind of the idea.

这个说法有点奇怪，但可能比“worth your salt”更常用，实际上。

It's sort of strange, but this one might be more common than worth your salt, actually.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得我经常用这个。

I use this one a lot, I think.

你经常用这个？

You use this one a lot?

你用它来谈论什么？

What do you use Like, that to talk about what?

比如说，你对什么了如指掌？

Like, what do you know, like, the back of your hand?

我知道，天哪。

I know oh gosh.

好问题。

Good question.

我对什么了如指掌呢？

What do I know like the back?

我对一些辣妹合唱团的歌了如指掌。

I I know I know the words to some Spice Girls song, like the back of my hand.

对。

Yeah.

或者《老友记》的主题曲。

Or the opening song for Friends.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yep.

对。

Yep.

对。

Yep.

《老友记》的大部分剧集我都熟得不能再熟了。

I know most of the episodes of Friends like the back of my hand.

没错。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

所以，就是非常了解某样东西。

So to know something very well.

我现在对这片街区熟得不能再熟了，因为我已经在这儿住了五年了。

I know my neighborhood at this point like the back of my hand, because I've lived here for five years.

所以就是说，对某件事很熟悉。

So to know something well.

好的。

Okay.

总之，重点是，一个合格的导游应该对布鲁克林了如指掌。

So anyways, the point of that was any tour guide worth their salt should know Brooklyn well.

对吧？

Okay?

没错。

Exactly.

米歇尔，也许你可以把这句话说完。

And Michelle, what maybe you could finish this sentence.

因为你有电台工作的经验。

So because you have experience in radio.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Mhmm.

那么，任何一个称职的电台主持人，接下来你会怎么说？

So any radio host worth their salt, what would you say after that?

比如，什么才是一个好的电台主持人？

Like, what makes a good radio host?

任何一个称职的电台主持人，都应该非常了解自己的听众。

Any radio host worth their salt is able to know their audience.

非常好。

Excellent.

就像了解自己的手背一样。

Like the back of their hand.

哦，说得真好。

Oh, very nice.

真好。

Very nice.

我喜欢这个。

I like it.

对。

Yeah.

任何一个称职的电台主持人，都对自己的听众了如指掌。

Any radio host worth their salt knows their audience like the back of their hand.

这就是

That's what

我想说的。

I would say.

我很喜欢这个。

I love that.

我觉得，我觉得你说得对。

I think I think you're right.

了解你的听众是谁、他们想要什么，这真的很重要。

It's really important to know who you're talking to and what they want.

对吧？

Right?

嗯。

Mhmm.

嗯。

Mhmm.

好的。

Okay.

对。

Yeah.

怎么吸引他们，怎么互动。

How to engage them and How to engage.

各种不同的方面。

All different things.

你说得对，米歇尔。

You got it, Michelle.

你说得对。

You got it.

好了，各位。

And so alright, guys.

所以这就是“worth your salt”这个短语。

So that's the phrase worth your salt.

这是我们希望大家今天学会并开始使用的短语。

That's the phrase we want you to learn and start using today.

明白了吗？

Okay?

或者开始留意它。

Or start listening for it.

但还有几个意思相近的短语，用来谈论价值，我们今天也想分享给大家。

But there are couple of other phrases that mean similar things that are used to talk about value, and we wanna share those today.

那是什么呢，米歇尔？

So what are they, Michelle?

好的。

Okay.

那么第一个是“尽自己的一份力”。

So the first one is to pull one's weight.

对。

Yeah.

我是说，这和“值得你的盐”有什么不同？

I mean, how is this different from worth your salt?

差不多。

It's similar.

我觉得这个更多是关于，比如，如果你在做小组项目之类的，嗯。

This is I think about this one more about like, okay, if you're doing a group project or something like that Mhmm.

就是“尽自己的一份力”，你知道，就是做好自己的部分。

It's like to pull to pull your weight and, you know, like, to do your part.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

对吧？

Right?

如果你拖累了整个团队，你就得把自己的那份力补上，做到名副其实。

If you're weighing down the group, you need to pull that weight up and, like, be worth what you say you're worth.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

或者还有一个说法，叫“价值千金”。

Or there's another one, to be worth your weight in gold.

对吧？

Right?

就是说某样东西极其有价值。

That just means that something is extremely valuable.

明白。

Mhmm.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

最后一个是‘懂行’的意思。

And then the last one is to know your stuff.

我喜欢这个。

I like that one.

对。

Yeah.

我太喜欢这个了。

I love that.

我太喜欢这个了。

I love that.

所以，那就是说对某件事了解很多。

So That's just like to know to know a lot about something.

对某件事了解很多。

To know a lot about something.

再说回“值得你的盐”这个说法，它不总是关于知识或技能的。

And again, coming back to to be worth your salt, not always about knowledge or skills.

它可能还涉及其他很多事情。

It could be about a bunch of other things.

但在那种情况下，如果货币是知识，那么“懂行”的意思也差不多。

But in the in that case, if the currency is knowledge, then to know your stuff means something similar.

对。

Mhmm.

对。

Mhmm.

没错。

Right.

你有没有觉得说英语之后特别累？

Have you ever felt exhausted after speaking English?

不是因为对话难，而是因为你的大脑在超负荷运转，要翻译、检查语法、找词汇。

Not because the conversation was difficult, but because your brain was working overtime to translate, checking grammar, searching for vocabulary.

但真正的流利其实感觉更轻松。

But true fluency actually feels lighter.

你花在思考英语上的时间更少，更多的时间用来和人交流。

You spend less time thinking about English and more time connecting with people.

找出是什么阻碍了你达到你想要的下一个水平。

Find out what's standing between you and that next level that you're looking for.

来做我们免费的2分钟流利度测试吧。

Take our free two minute fluency quiz.

访问 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

Go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

就是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

那么，Michelle，我们怎么才能确保自己名副其实呢？

So Michelle, I mean, how can we make sure that we're worth our salt?

我们希望在职业生涯中名副其实，但找到正确的职业道路、合适的工作并不容易。

We wanna be worth our salt in our career, but it's not easy to find the right career path, the right career the right job.

对吧？

Right?

通常，我们走很多弯路才能到达梦想的工作。

Often, take very winding paths to get to our dream job.

我们该怎么做呢？

How do we do it?

对。

Yeah.

我是说，要真正找到你真正的热情所在，以及做什么会让你开心，这确实是一件很难的事情。

I mean, it's definitely a difficult thing to to really find your true passion and what you're gonna be happy doing.

我记得你跟我说过，Lindsay，你有一位非常喜欢的作家或者演讲者。

I mean, you were telling me, Lindsay, you have some an author or a speaker that you really enjoy.

你能多跟我讲讲吗？

Can you tell me more about

嗯，是的。

Well, yeah.

昨晚我实际上去听了Chris Guillebeau的演讲，他是我非常敬仰的一位作家。

Last night, I actually went to see Chris Guillebeau talk, who's one of the writers that I really look up to.

他写了一本书叫《不随波逐流的艺术》。

He wrote a book called The Art of Nonconformity.

他还写了《100美元创业》。

He wrote The 100 Startup.

所以他对我的想法影响挺大的。

So he's really influenced my thinking quite a bit.

他昨晚在波士顿，因为他出了新书，叫《天生如此：找到你命中注定的工作》。

But he was in Boston last night, because he came out with his new book called Born for This, Finding the Work You Were Meant to Do.

他跟我们分享了他的理论，就是说，我们找到完美工作的关键，是三个东西交汇在一起。

And he gave us his theory, and his theory is that we find our our perfect job at the convergence of three things.

想知道是哪三个吗？

Wanna know what they are?

我特别想知道。

I'm dying to know.

好。

Okay.

嗯，就是这三样东西。

Well, they are three things.

第一，心流。

Number one, flow.

心流是一种近乎开悟的状态，但不是那种精神层面的。

And flow is a state of kind of almost like enlightenment, but not in the spiritual sense.

心流的意思是，事情有点难，但又不是太难。

Flow me flow means when things are, you know, hard but not too hard.

对。

Mhmm.

我们足够擅长，所以能享受其中，但又刚好有挑战性，让我们不断前进。

We're good enough at at it so that we can enjoy it, but it's just challenging enough so it keeps us pushing.

就像时间在流逝，但我们感觉不到。

It's like the time moves, and we don't know it's moving.

那就是心流。

That's flow.

那就是心流状态。

That's a flow state.

明白了吗？

Okay?

我明白了。

I see.

好的。

Okay.

所以，心流是第一点。

So flow is the first thing.

第二点是快乐。

Number two is joy.

好的。

Okay.

第三点，我想知道我们的听众能不能猜到。

And number three is I wonder if our listeners could guess.

再说一遍，各位，我们说的是职业，不是爱好。

Again, guys, we're talking about a career here, not a hobby.

所以第三点，显然就是钱。

So the third piece is money, obviously.

对。

Yep.

你

You

得

need to

我们不是在幻想世界里。

we're not in a fantasy world here.

你得付账单。

You need to pay the bills.

明白吗？

K?

所以，根据克里斯的说法，你要在激情、快乐和金钱的交汇点找到你的理想工作。

So you find your dream job at the convergence point according to Chris of flow, joy, and money.

我真的很喜欢这个。

I really like that.

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

对。

Yeah.

我觉得这个说法很有意思。

I think that that's a really interesting way to put it.

而且，人们真的可以从中学习很多，做很多自我反思。

And, I mean, people can really learn a lot from that and do a lot of self reflecting.

嗯。

So Mhmm.

我的意思是，除了这个，还有什么实用的建议吗？

I mean, what practical tips, you know, other than, you know, this?

因为这个想法听起来不错，但具体我们能做些什么呢？

Because this is, you know, like, you know, a a nice idea, but so, like, what, like, what can we do with it?

对。

Yeah.

问得好。

Good question.

嗯，我们得买那本书。

Well, we have to buy the book.

好的。

Okay.

嗯，有道理。

Well, that makes sense.

对。

Yeah.

因为我真的很喜欢那些想法，它们真的非常有趣，我就是想了解更多。

Because I really I really like the those ideas, and those are, like, really, really interesting, and I just I wanna learn more.

所以我知道。

So I know.

听起来很有意思。

It sounds like very interesting.

对。

Yeah.

不。

No.

确实很吸引人。

It's fascinating.

所以克里斯有很多活动。

So Chris has all kinds of activities.

我还没有这本书，但我打算买，而且我建议你们也去亚马逊上看看。

I I don't have the book yet, but I'm planning to buy it, and I would recommend that you guys check it out too on Amazon.

你知道，他整理了一系列活动，用来帮你找出你在工作方面的核心价值观。

You know, he's put together a bunch of activities to find out, like, what your what your core values are in terms of work.

你工作时最看重哪些情绪？

What emotions you value most when you're working?

比如说，你想要自主权吗？

Like, what do you wanna feel autonomy?

你想要安全感吗？

Do you wanna feel, like, security?

你想要合作吗？

Do you wanna feel cooperation?

就是说，什么对你来说重要？

Like, what matters to you?

所以有各种各样的活动。

So all kinds of activities.

所以我真的建议大家，要确保我们在工作或生活中真正有价值，就要确保我们在做正确的事情。

So I would really recommend, guys, the way to make sure that we're worth our salt in our work or in our lives is to make sure we're doing the right thing.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

这真的很有意思。

That's really I that's really interesting.

对，是的。

And yeah.

我希望每个人都能找到让自己快乐的事情，并且能赚钱。

I hope everybody can find what makes them happy, and make money.

是的。

Yeah.

但这并不容易。

And it's not easy.

我们理解。

We understand.

现实中确实有很多现实的问题。

There are serious there are real realities out there.

我们不能就这么放下一切，跑去开始做我们一直梦想的事情。

And we can't just pick up and run off and, you know, start something or do something that we've always dreamt of.

我觉得这有点像一句口号。

I think the it's kind of a trait phrase.

对吧？

Right?

某种程度上说要追随你的热情，因为对每个人来说这并不现实。

Follow your passion in some ways, because it's not a reality for everyone.

但至少我们可以审视自己，看看我们喜欢现在工作的哪些方面，不喜欢哪些方面。

But we can we can at least look into ourselves and see what we like about our current jobs and what we don't.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Right.

我觉得这就是心流出现的地方，Lindsay？

And I think does that is that where the flow comes in, Lindsay?

就像，现实？

Like, the reality?

这算是心流的一部分吗，还是

Is that kinda part of flow or

不是？

no?

你是什么意思？

What do you mean?

我有点没听懂你的问题。

I'm a little bit confused by the question.

你能，能

Can can you

就是关于追随激情这个现实问题。

The reality of, like, following your passion.

你知道，我觉得心流也意味着某件事有多现实。

You know, like, I feel like flow also means, like, how realistic something is.

是这样吗，还是我理解错了？

Or is that true, or or am I missing the point?