BE 558：你在工作中是否身兼数职？

欢迎收听《商务英语播客》第558期。

This is the Business English Podcast episode five fifty eight.

你工作中是不是身兼数职？

Do you wear many hats at work?

欢迎来到All Ears English的《商务英语播客》。

Welcome to the Business English Podcast from All Ears English.

掌握真正实用的英语技能，助你实现全球职场梦想。

Get the English skills you need to achieve your dreams in global business.

无论是做演讲、开会议，还是参加公司派对，这里都是地道的商务英语，由你们熟悉的两位美国主持人Lindsay和Michelle从纽约和科罗拉多为您带来。

For a presentation, a meeting, or your office party, this is real business English with your favorite American hosts, Lindsay and Michelle, coming to you from New York City and Colorado, USA.

你有没有过跟人用英语聊完天，心里琢磨：其实我本可以说得更好？

Have you ever finished a conversation in English and thought, I know I can say that better.

当时你完全听懂了对方说的每一句话。

You understood everything that was said.

你脑子里有想法、有观点，甚至还想讲个笑话。

You had ideas, opinions, maybe even a joke.

但轮到你开口时，说出来的答案却比你心里想的短得多，也简单得多，不像在母语里那样自如。

But when it was your turn to speak, your answer came out shorter than you wanted or more basic than how you would say it in your own language.

这种情况说明，你的理解能力其实比口语表达强多了。

This happens when your understanding is stronger than your speaking fluency.

好消息是，这种差距非常普遍，只要搞清楚自己卡在哪儿，就能很快改善。

The good news, that gap is very common and very fixable once you know exactly where you are.

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Take our free two minute fluency quiz to discover your current English level and what to work on next.

去 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore 就行。

Go to allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

就是 allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore。

That's allearsenglish.com/fluencyscore.

嘿，林赛。

Hey, Lindsay.

你最近怎么样？

How are you?

今天状态超棒的，米歇尔。

Doing great today, Michelle.

今天我们聊点啥关于商务英语的？

What are we getting into on business English?

Lindsey，你喜欢戴帽子吗？

Well, Lindsey, do you like to wear hats?

戴帽子？

To wear hats?

说实话，我不太爱戴帽子，总觉得把头发弄乱了，我这头发可是我的重点……你呢？

I'm not a big hat person, to be honest, because I feel like it kinda ruins my hair, and my hair is So my big what about you?

你平时戴帽子吗？

Are you a hat wearer?

我真没法对哪顶帽子产生感情。

It really can't really fall in love with a hat.

我也不太确定。

I don't know.

我试过。

I I try.

但总是不太合适。

They never really seem to work out for me.

偶尔我会碰到一顶形状特别合我心意的帽子。

Every once in a while, I will find more of a hat that's a shape that I really do like.

嗯。

Okay.

对，我同意。

But, yeah, I agree.

一戴帽子，头发就全乱了。

It's then with the hair, it's a whole mess.

怎么看都不好看。

So It never looks good.

不过呢，帽子确实挺重要的。

I mean But they are important.

它们很重要，尤其是大晴天的时候。

They are important, especially when it's super sunny.

所以我确实该戴。

So I should.

没错。

Totally.

我懂。

I know.

我搬到科罗拉多之后就戴得更多了。

I've been wearing them more since I moved to Colorado.

这儿的阳光太猛了，不戴不行。

The sun out here is crazy strong, so you kind of have to.

是啊。

Yeah.

但你要是戴了，就得一整天都戴着，直到洗澡前都不摘。

But then you cut well, you got for me, what I have to do is just commit to the hat all day until I take a shower.

我要是去洗澡的话

If I'm gonna take

行吧。

shower, fine.

但要是不洗澡，我就一整天都戴着这顶帽子。

But like, if I'm not showering, if I I'm just gonna have the hat on the rest of the day.

你帽子戴久了，头发是不是压得挺乱的？

You got some pretty pretty bad hat hair?

是的。

Yeah.

那肯定的。

For sure.

不过今天咱们不聊帽子头。

But today we're not talking about hat hair.

对吧？

Right?

不过那倒是个挺有意思的节目。

Although that would be a fun episode.

那确实会是个挺有意思的节目。

That would be a fun episode.

我们今天聊的是做生意时那种忙得团团转、同时要管好多事儿的感觉。

We're talking about something that applies to business about being busy and being responsible for many different things.

对。

Yes.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Yes.

所以这就是要戴很多顶帽子。

So this is to wear many hats.

对。

Yes.

琳赛，你在 All Ears English 里是不是啥活都干？

Lindsay, do you wear many hats at All Ears English?

天哪。

Oh my god.

米歇尔，你猜猜看。

Wild guess, Michelle.

对吧？

Right?

是啊。

Yes.

那当然了。

Of course.

你估计得戴一百顶帽子吧。

So you probably wear a 100 hats.

对啊。

Yeah.

昨天我和一个朋友喝啤酒，她刚买下了一家公司，规模跟我们差不多。

Was just having beers with a friend yesterday, and she just bought her own company, bought a new company, similar size as ours.

她一边聊，一边说那些她完全没料到每天都要处理的琐事。

And she was going going through it, talking about all of the things that didn't realize she'd be doing on a daily basis.

比如各州的雇佣法规啊，这类跟州政府相关的事儿。

So, you know, things regarding just state, like employment stuff in different states.

会计、报税，一堆乱七八糟的事儿，你以为自己是做业务的，结果当了小公司老板，干的全是这些杂活。

There's just accounting and taxes and all these things that you think you're gonna do the business of the business, but actually you're gonna do a lot of things as an owner of a small company.

是啊。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我深有体会，毕竟我们开了牙科诊所，真的能感受到。

I see that with, you know, because we have the dental office, and so I definitely.

这些事儿背后要操心的太多了。

It's just so much that goes into these things.

没错。

That's Yep.

对。

Yep.

尤其是刚开始的时候，你得尽量亲力亲为，毕竟请不起太多人。

Especially at the start, you know, when you're really trying to take on as much as you can by, like, with, you know, without too too many people because you don't have the budget for too too many people.

所以你得一身兼好几职。

So you're just trying to, like you wear a ton of hats.

是的。

Yeah.

你不可能一开始就有专门的人力资源部门。

You don't have, like, a whole a ton you don't have an HR department necessarily.

也没法配个 payroll 团队。

You don't have a payroll department.

懂吧？

Know?

对。

Right.

说白了，咱们现在聊的这种就是草根创业。

You know, you're just this is a scrappy entrepreneurship here that we're talking about.

但就算在大公司里，这道理也一样适用。

But even in big companies, this also applies.

对。

Right.

是吧？

Right?

对。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

是的

Yeah.

我是说，我老想起一部老电影，也不记得具体是哪部了，就是那种换帽子的桥段，像《我爱露西》那样的，你懂吧？

I mean, I actually think of I think of I don't know if it was one particular old movie or something, but do you ever see like, when somebody there may have been something actually where somebody is changing hats, like an I love Lucy or something, you know, something like that.

但一想到这个，我就联想到那种场景：‘我去找经理！’

But like, it makes me think of when it's like, oh, me talk to the manager.

我就是经理。

I am the manager.

或者我是市长。

Or like, I am the mayor.

或者你明白我意思吧？

Or I you know what I mean?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

他们换上另一顶帽子，或者别的什么。

They put on a different hat or a different

换身制服之类的。

uniform or something.

警察啊，消防员啊，什么的。

Policeman, firefighter, man.

对啊。

Right.

没错。

So yeah.

肯定有这么个具体例子，就是我想不起来是哪来的。

I'm sure there's actually a specific thing, but I can't think of what it's from.

不过，一说到这个，我就想到这个场景。

But, that's that's what it makes me think of.

就是这个感觉。

That's the vibe.

对。

Yes.

就是这个感觉。

That's the vibe.

咱们来造个句子吧。

Let's use it in a sentence.

Lindsay，你来先来一个？

You wanna do the first one, Lindsay?

这其实不止一句话，不过没错。

Oh, this is more than one sentence, but yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

我们真离不开米莉。

So we couldn't live without Millie here.

她啥角色都能演。

She wears so many hats.

她不仅是我们的老板，还是我们的朋友。

Not only is she our boss, but she's our friend.

什么事她都帮我们，对公司里这么多领域都特别在行。

She helps us with everything and she's so smart about so many areas within the company.

好吧。

Alright.

哇哦。

Wow.

这也太多了吧。

That's a lot.

是的。

Yes.

好多身份啊。

Many hats.

对。

Yes.

我说不清我的工作具体是干嘛的，因为我干的活儿太多了，但我尽量说说看。

It's hard to tell you about my job because I wear so many hats, but I'll try.

对。

Yeah.

Lindsay，你有没有认识的人，你完全搞不懂他们到底在忙什么？

There are some people Lindsay, do you have any friends where you have no idea what they actually do?

有啊，肯定有。

Yeah, for sure.

他们一解释，我就听得直发懵。

And when they explain it, my eyes kind of glaze over.

是啊。

Yes.

就只是

Just

不太了解罢了。

not familiar with it.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Right.

对。

Right.

是啊。

Yeah.

当然。

Sure.

没错。

Yep.

没错。

Yep.

这种情况挺常见的。

That happens.

这种事一般只有大公司才会这样。

Usually that's more like for larger companies.

要是人在大公司上班的话。

If people work in large Corporate.

大公司里某些情况会这样。

Companies certain

是的。

Yeah.

有时候身兼数职真的累得够呛，但至少知道我挺重要的。

Or sometimes it's exhausting wearing so many hats, but it's good to know I'm needed.

没错。

That's true.

这种感觉嘛，有时候还挺好的。

That can be a good feeling, I guess, sometimes.

对。

Right.

当你有余力的时候。

When you have the bandwidth.

对。

Right.

当你有余力，又知道自己不可或缺，因为你干了这么多活。

When you have the bandwidth and you know that you are needed because you do so much.

但这句话里，意思并不是说戴这么多帽子真的让人筋疲力尽。

But yeah, in this sentence, it doesn't mean it's exhausting putting on so many actual hats.

所以我们得留意上下文。

So we just wanna be aware of the context.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

没错。

Yeah.

但林赛，你觉得在工作中身兼数职是好事吗？

But, Lindsey, do you think it's a good thing to wear many hats at work?

我觉得是好事。

I think it's a good thing.

我觉得没问题。

I think it's fine.

我觉得这很正常。

I think it's normal.

刚开始这么做其实挺聪明的，尤其是创业初期，公司小，根本请不起那么多部门的人，不像大公司那样分工明确。

And it's smart in the beginning because you just can't especially if you're starting a company and it's a small company, you're just not gonna be able to afford to hire people in all these departments like they would have in corporate.

是啊。

Yeah.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Yeah.

但这样容易让人分心。

But it can be scattering.

你会觉得自己啥都在干，却啥都干不透。

Like, you can feel very scattered.

对吧？

Right?

有时候你就想安安静静把正事做了。

And sometimes you just want to sit down and do the work of the business.

对吧？

Right?

那种真正心心念念想做的事。

The dream work.

对我来说，就是做播客。

For Right.

我呢，心心念念的就是做播客。

Me, dream work is podcasting.

是的

Yeah.

对吧？

Right?

对

Yeah.

你知道吗，做播客只占我每周的一小部分时间。

You know, podcasting is is a small portion of my week.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Right.

不过，是啊。

But, yeah.

那为什么这个说法这么有用呢？

So, I mean, why but why is this expression useful?

我觉得你可以用它来描述自己的工作。

I think you can use it to describe your own job.

我们确实会问别人。

We do ask people.

昨晚我刚参加了一个冥想活动。

I was just at a meditation event last night.

当时有个闲聊的环节，我们三个人聊了起来。

There was a little socializing moment and there were three of us chatting.

有个女士就问：你们俩平时做什么工作？

And one woman asked, so what do you both do for work?

我的意思是，连在冥想活动上，人家都会问你：你做什么工作？

I mean, even at a meditation event, people are asking you, what do you do for work?

对吧？

Right?

有些人一上来就会这么说。

Some people will lead with this.

我觉得在东海岸比在这儿更常见，大家都会主动提这个。

I think more so on the East Coast than in this area, but people lead with it.

所以呢，你其实可以把这个加进你的回答里。

So to say, you know, you could incorporate this into your answer potentially.

对吧？

Right?

对，就是这样。

Yeah, exactly.

我可是身兼数职啊，你说是不是？

Well, I wear many hats, right?

没错。

Right.

所以啊，你确实可以这么讲，还能体现出你是个善于合作的人。

So yeah, you can, and it also could show you're a team player.

这其实能展现很多东西，也能让你跟别人更容易产生共鸣。

There's a lot of things that it can show or that in ways that it connect you to others.

不过，我们也可以用其他不提‘帽子’的说法，来表达类似的意思。

So, but there are other things that we can say that are not dealing with hats that can express similar ideas.

第一个说法是承担多重角色。

So the first one is to serve or play multiple roles.

对。

Yes.

这个说法听起来更专业一点，稍微正式些。

This one's a little bit more professional sounding, Just a a little bit elevated.

她承担了多个角色，对我们团队来说不可或缺。

So she serves multiple roles, so she is invaluable to our team.

没错。

Yeah.

公司里都有岗位，通常都和职位挂钩。

So companies have roles, and usually they're linked to positions.

对吧？

Right?

所以，这是表达这个意思的一种方式。

So that would be one way to say that.

我们先休息一下，Michelle，待会儿再继续聊更多内容。

Let's take a quick break, Michelle, and then we'll come back with more.

好的。

Alright.

行。

Alright.

Michelle，咱们这儿有什么想问的问题吗？

So, Michelle, any question we want to ask here?

对。

Yeah.

你觉得很多人喜欢同时承担多种角色吗？

Do you think that it's any many people would like wearing many hats?

这问题问得好。

That's a good question.

我觉得有些人天生是通才，有些人则是专才。

I think there are, like, people who are more generalists and then people who are more specialists.

对吧？

Right?

有人喜欢当通才，也有人偏爱做专才。

And some people like being generalists, some people like being specialists.

我觉得这可能跟你平时怎么思考有关。

I think it depends on the way that you like to think maybe.

你是喜欢钻得深，专门研究一件事到极致吗？

Like, do you like to go deep and really nerd out on one thing?

还是更愿意站得高一点，用广角镜头看很多事，搞清楚它们怎么互相联系？

Or do you want to kind of stay above and keep, like, a wide angle lens on a lot of things and understand how they fit together.

我觉得很多人就喜欢干各种不同的事，尽可能多地学习。

Think people people are thrive on just doing many different things learning as much as they can about

是的。

Yeah.

你知道，不同的岗位嘛。

You know, different roles.

有些人觉得这样特别累、特别烦，尤其是要是这跟他们的职位描述挂钩，被硬派任务的时候，肯定憋屈；但另一些人就乐坏了，觉得太棒了。

Some and some people might find that exhausting or frustrating, especially if it's something, you know, with their job description and they've been given, you know, they might find it frustrating, but others might say, Oh great.

我吧，反正啥活儿都愿意试试，但我觉得也得有个度。

I, you know, I have this attitude where I am happy to give anything a But you know, I think there's a line.

没错， definitely。

Yeah, for sure.

这绝对是性格决定的。

It's it's definitely personality based.

对。

Yes.

每个人思考的方式都不一样。

And people just think in different ways.

有些人思维比较线性，就喜欢把精力都扑在一件事上。

Some people think in a more linear way, and they do want to, like, spend more energy on the one thing.

而另一些人则更倾向于横向思维。

And other people think in maybe a more horizontal way.

我也说不准。

I don't know.

他们就需要这种更开阔的视角。

And they just need that wider perspective.

对吧？

Right?

挺有意思的。

So, interesting.

你还可以这么说：我啥都干一点。

Another thing you could say is I do a bit of everything.

我这儿啥都沾点边，市场、技术、财务，样样都来一点。

So, I do a bit of everything around here from marketing to tech to accounting.

我就喜欢这种多样性。

I like the variety.

是的

Mhmm.

对

Mhmm.

或者我干各种活儿

Or I perform various tasks.

是啊

So Mhmm.

我这工作挺有挑战性的，因为啥活儿都得干

My job keeps me on my toes because I perform various tasks.

每天都不重样

None of my days ever look the same.

没错

Yeah.

在真正的公司里，我老听见一个词儿，叫‘跨职能’

And here's this buzzword that I hear a lot in the real corporate world, which is cross functional.

对啊

Yep.

对吧？

Right?

对啊

Yep.

这个词在实际工作中用得可多了。

So this is used in a lot of different ways.

他们说的跨职能团队，就是一群人组成一个团队，但各自在公司里负责不同的岗位，可能来自不同部门。

They talk about cross functional teams, people that come together in a team, but they serve different roles in the company, different departments maybe.

但这个例句是说：我在这里的角色就是跨职能的，这挺好，因为我能学到很多东西。

But this sample sentence is, my role is really cross functional here, which is good because I learned so much.

所以这个人其实是在跨部门流动，接触不同部门的工作。

So that person is crossing over to like, getting exposure to different departments probably.

对啊

Yep.

对吧？

Right?

是啊。

Yep.

没错。

Exactly.

我们要不要来个角色扮演？

Should we do a role play?

好啊。

Yes.

来吧。

Let's do it.

所以这里，米歇尔，咱们是同事，正聊工作的事。

So here, Michelle, we are friends at work and we're talking about our jobs.

明白不？

Alright?

好嘞。

Alright.

咱们开始吧。

Here we go.

最近我们部门可太热闹了。

Things have gotten really exciting in my department recently.

哦，那太棒了。

Oh, that's great.

你最近在忙啥呀？

What have you been working on?

哦，可多了。

Oh, so much.

我这儿啥活儿都干。

I wear many hats.

我最近帮着Joni基金会做点事，但也经常插手IT那边的活。

So I've been working a little on the Joni Foundation, but have also stepped into IT a lot.

太棒了。

That is great.

你啥都干一点。

So you do a bit of everything.

说实话，我也是这样。

That's how I am too, to be honest.

是的。

Yeah.

我的工作跨多个领域，反而让事情更有趣。

It keeps things interesting when my role is more cross functional.

我也是。

Same here.

我喜欢扮演各种角色。

I love playing multiple roles.

下个月我要做一场汇报，今天我还在搞地推。

I'm doing a presentation next month, and today I'm doing ground marketing.

挺好的。

It's great.

不错。

Nice.

我知道你特别擅长干各种活儿。

I know you're so good at performing various tasks.

谢谢。

Thanks.

是啊。

Yeah.

这听起来确实更对我胃口。

That does seem more appealing to me.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

因为你就是喜欢事情总在变。

Because you just like things are always changing.

对。

Yeah.

每天都不是重复同一件事。

It's not like the same thing every single day.

没错，没错。

Right, right.

东西总在变，根本没法觉得无聊。

It's hard to feel like for things to feel mundane when they're always changed.

对，就是总在变。

They're always changing, exactly.

那再说说，你最近在忙什么？

So again, what have you been working on?

你刚才说了好多呢。

And you said so much.

我身兼数职。

I wear many hats.

所以我最近一直在帮乔尼基金会做点事。

So I've been working a little on the Joni Foundation.

你知道的。

Yes, you know.

就是那个乔尼基金会，你懂的。

Know the Joni Foundation.

然后你说，这太棒了。

And then you say, that's great.

所以你是样样都沾一点。

So you do a bit of everything.

我也是这样的。

That's how I am too.

然后你还说，对，我这工作跨部门，反而让事情更有趣。

And then you said, yeah, it keeps things interesting when my role is more cross functional.

这对我们的听众来说挺有意思的。

And this is interesting for our listeners.

比什么更跨职能啊？

More cross functional than what?

对吧？

Right?

比……

Than

不是。

not.

不是然后不是。

Than then not.

其实我们有时候这么说，还挺有意思的。

It's more it's just interesting how we do say this sometimes.

比我们停下来更跨职能，这话听着其实也挺通的。

It's more cross functional than we stop, and that's an acceptable sentence.

但咱们到底是在跟什么比呢？

But, like, what are we comparing it to?

对啊。

Right.

没错。

Right.

是啊。

Right.

对的。

Right.

我们不是早就讨论过这些了吗？对吧？

Wouldn't we know because of what we've already been talking about, right?

咱们心里得有数啊。

Like have context here.

我们知道现在是什么情况。

We know what's going on.

是的，完全对。

Yeah, totally.

那我刚才说了什么？

Then what did I say?

然后你说‘我也是’。

Then you said, Same here.

我喜欢扮演不同的角色。

I love playing multiple roles.

下个月我要做一场演讲，今天我在搞地推。

I'm doing a presentation next month and today I'm doing ground marketing.

挺棒的。

It's great.

不错。

Nice.

你还说‘不错’。

And you said nice.