BE 604：用这个词来谈论你在工作中的技能

这里是商务英语播客第六百零四期。

This is the Business English Podcast episode six zero four.

用这个词来谈论你在工作中的技能。

Talk about your skills at work with this word.

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无论是演讲、会议还是办公室聚会，这是真正的商务英语，由你最喜欢的美国主持人Lindsay和Michelle带来，她们分别来自美国纽约市和科罗拉多州。

For a presentation, a meeting, or your office party, this is real business English with your favorite American hosts, Lindsay and Michelle, coming to you from New York City and Colorado, USA.

嗨，Michelle。

Hi, Michelle.

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

嘿，Lindsey。

Hey, Lindsey.

好。

Good.

好。

Good.

你好吗？

How are you?

好。

Good.

但我有个问题想问你。

But I have a question for you.

准备好了吗？

You ready?

哦哦。

Uh-oh.

那么，你会说自己有金融素养吗？

So would you say that you're financially literate?

你觉得呢？

What do you think?

基本的东西。

The basics.

而且随着时间推移，我在学更多。

And I'm learning more as time goes along.

我的意思是，你知道我意识到什么了吗？你小时候有没有听过父母谈论生活中的这些事情，他们可能把东西放在文件里，然后说，当然。

I mean, you know what I realized is like, did you ever, when you were a kid, hear your parents talking about all these things in life and and, like, they might have had things in files and Sure.

所有关于税的事情。

Everything that's taxes.

各种事情。

Things.

对。

Yeah.

然后你会想，他们怎么知道所有这些事情的？

And you're, yeah, and you're like, how do they know about all these things?

而且有很多事情，你知道，比如他们在做什么？

And there's so much that goes, you know, like, what are they doing?

所以我记得有那些感觉。

So I remember having those feelings.

现在作为成年人，我当然在学习东西。

And now as an adult, I'm certainly learning things.

所以我会说比过去多得多，但还有很多要学的。

So I would say that much, much more than I used to be, but there's a lot I could learn.

你呢？

What about you?

对。

Yeah.

我也一样。

Same same here.

我记得小时候确实有过那种想法。

I do remember having that thought as a kid.

你怎么知道他们从哪儿学的这些东西？

How you know what their where do they learn these things?

比如，是在学校学的还是怎么着？

Like, did they learn them in school or what?

对。

Yeah.

但是，有太多东西了。

But, like, there's so much.

是啊。

Right.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yes.

没错。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

也就是说，如果你留心观察，你会听到一些术语和东西。

Which is if you pay attention to things, you hear about terms and things.

但我还是觉得自己有很多要学的。

But yet, I still feel like I have a lot more to learn.

我的意思是，在投资和一般的理财方面。

I mean, in terms of investing and just general fight.

所以我觉得我处于中间水平。

So I think I fall somewhere in the middle of Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我也这么觉得。

I would say so.

金融素养。

Literacy.

对。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yep.

那么，Lindsay，当你听到“有文化”和“文化素养”这些词时，

So but Lindsay, when you hear the words literate and literacy

嗯。

Mhmm.

你通常可能会想到阅读和写作。

You usually probably think about reading and writing.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

我也是这么想的。

I do.

这就是有趣的地方。

That's the interesting part.

对吧？

Right?

有意思的是，我问你“你具备金融素养吗？”

It's kind of interesting that we put I asked you, are you financially literate?

对吧？

Right?

不只是“素养”，因为如果只说“素养”，那意思就是“你会阅读吗”或者“你能读吗”。

Not just literate, because if we just said literate alone, it's Or do you read and can you read, I guess.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

对，这些词在商务对话中确实还有其他含义。

Yeah, these words do have other meanings that might come up in business conversation.

比如说，当我们说金融素养的时候

So for example, when we say financial literacy

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们的意思是你也懂金融，而且有金融方面的技能。

We mean that you understand finance as well and you have skills in finance.

你懂，你明白。

You you you get it.

你能聊得来。

You're you're able to talk about it.

你理解。

You understand.

对。

Yeah.

所以有很多词可以跟素养搭配。

So there are there are a bunch of words that we can tack on literacy.

我敢打赌，这一集我们的听众也能发明出一些我们甚至不会告诉他们的新东西。

And I bet this is an episode where our listeners can also invent new things that we're not gonna even tell them.

对吧？

Right?

他们几乎可以把“素养”这个词加到任何东西后面。

Where they can tack on literacy to pretty much anything.

但今天我们给大家举一些例子，这样你们就能用更有创意的方式说话了。

But we'll give you guys some examples today so you can speak in a more creative way.

好吗？

Okay?

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

这些词呢，你知道的，它们涉及不同类型的读写能力，以及如何在商务中使用它们。

So these words are, you know, they're about different types of literary literacy, how you would use them in business.

它们还涉及专业能力，这些在面试中可能会用到。

And they're about professional abilities, which might come up during interviews.

所以这非常重要。

So that's super important.

是的。

Yes.

各位，赶紧点击关注按钮，就在商务英语这里。

Guys, go ahead and hit the follow button right here on Business English.

不要错过任何一集。

Don't miss a single episode.

我们每周发布三集。

We come out with three episodes a week.

我差点说成每天了，但那也太疯狂了。

I almost said a day, but that would be insane.

你能想象吗？

Could you imagine?

每周三集，你不想错过任何一集。

Three episodes a week, and you don't wanna miss a single one.

所以点关注吧。

So hit follow.

好吗？

Okay?

好的。

Good.

没错。

That's right.

好了。

Alright.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

所以我们先从“素养”这个词开始。

So we're gonna start with just the word literacy.

素养就是理解和运用某个特定领域的信息。

So the literacy is it's about understanding and using information in a specific area.

对。

Mhmm.

没错。

Right.

所以单独用这个词的时候，指的是读写能力。

So when you use the word by itself, it refers to reading and writing.

读写能力就是你有阅读和写作的能力。

So reading and writing is like, you have the ability to read and to write.

这些技能大多数人在学校就学会了。

These are skills that most people learn in school.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yes.

但如果你在前面加上另一个词，它就有了新的含义。

So but if you use another word in front of it, it takes on a new meaning.

那我们来看看几种素养吧。

So let's go over some types of literacy.

对。

Yeah.

就像我们开头说的，金融素养。

So like we said at the top, financial literacy.

我们俩都把自己的金融素养评为中等水平。

We both rated our own financial literacy as somewhere in the middle.

理解预算、成本、财务、投资、买房、利率，所有这些。

Understanding budgets, costs, finances, investing, buying homes, interest rates, all those things.

对吧？

Right?

那是不是意味着你必须得是个会计？

Does it mean you have to be an accountant?

不不不不。

No, no, no, no.

当然不是。

For sure not.

那是另一种技能，对吧？

That's a different kind of skill set, right?

那是专业化的技能。

That's a specialized skill set.

这更多是日常所需的，为了过日子、存钱，还有能退休。

This is more of an everyday to get by and to save money and to be able to retire.

对吧？

Right?

对，没错。

Right, exactly.

还有媒体素养。

There's also media literacy.

这就像是评估新闻、电视报道或在线内容。

So this would be like evaluating news, TV reports, or online content.

可能用于批判性地分析文章和报道的来源或标题。

So might be used about analyzing sources or headlines for articles and reports critically.

是的，当然。

Yeah, for sure.

我觉得很多人担心孩子们在学校里学不到这个了。

I mean, this is something that I think a lot of people are concerned might be going away in terms of what kids are learning in school.

对吧？

Right?

但现在这太重要了。

But it's so important now.

太重要了。

It's so important.

对。

Yeah.

现在新闻越来越有偏见。

With news becoming more biased.

确实。

Much more.

是的。

Yes.

这个行业偏见很严重。

It's a very biased industry.

还有什么？

And what else?

数字素养。

Digital literacy.

就是用好数字工具，适应新技术。

So this is using digital tools well and adapting to new technology.

所以AI素养可能属于这个范畴，也可能是个独立的东西。

So this could AI literacy could fall under this or it could be a separate thing.

但只要能上网、会用互联网，就可以算是数字素养。

But just the ability to get online and use the internet could be digital literacy.

对吧？

Right?

比如我可以想象在公共图书馆，有给老年人开的数字素养课程，你懂吧？

Like I could imagine at a public library, there being like a digital literacy for seniors class taught, you know?

完全同意。

Totally.

对。

Yeah.

那种课程你确实可能会看到。

That would be something you might see.

但对我来说，甚至像把Google Home或Alexa连接到风扇这样的设备，简直难以置信。

But even like, I mean, for me connecting our Google Home or Alexa to different things like the fan, no way.

算了。

Forget it.

对。

Yeah.

我理解。

I get that.

那也算是

That's also

数字素养。

digital literacy.

在这方面我有点文盲。不，不是。

I'm a little bit illiterate when it comes to No.

我也是。

I me too.

没关系。

It it's okay.

你知道吗，听我说，我们都有自己的长处。

You know, listen, we have our strengths.

对。

Yeah.

然后生活中其他的事情，我们会试着去弄，但就是瞎折腾，我们试着去

Then the other things in our life, we try and we we, like, futz around with them to We try and

做。

do.

试着去做，对。

To try yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

所以，但还有科学素养。

So but then there's scientific literacy.

所以，我得说我真的不太懂科学。

So and I would say I am not scientifically literate, really.

我的意思是，理解技术性的东西，或者说，是的，当然。

I mean, understanding technical or I mean, yeah, sure.

我能读一些东西并理解它，但我不是科学家。

I can I can read something and understand it, but I'm not a scientist?

我不太清楚，你知道吗？

I don't you know?

我已经很久没有做过类似的事情了。

It's been a while since I had to do anything like that.

所以，要理解足够的技术或科学信息，以便做出明智的决定。

So understanding technical or scientific information well enough to make informed decisions.

对。

Yeah.

这些术语很难定义，因为每个术语都没有一个像考试分数那样的基准。

These are hard terms because each term doesn't have like a benchmark of what score you'd get on a test.

对吧？

Right?

所以，这些词怎么用，真的要看具体情境。

So you it's really context based how you use these terms.

我特别喜欢关注健康新闻，比如营养方面的最新动态，还有我们节目里有时会聊到的关于营养和健康的新科学研究。

I really like to keep up with health news, like nutrition updates and new scientific studies we talk about on the show sometimes that come out about nutrition and health.

所以，我在科学素养方面还是有一定水平的。

So, there's some level of scientific literacy there.

我当然不会去加入实验室，成为什么基因研究员之类的。

I'm not going to go and like join a lab and become a, you know, a genetics researcher.

对吧？

Right?

所以……

So

对。

Yeah.

嗯，这让我想到了丹，因为他在医疗行业工作。

Well, that makes me think of Dan because he's in the medical industry.

所以他有时候，我会看到一篇文章。

And so he sometimes I'll see an article.

我现在都不太看了，因为从他那儿学到了一些东西，你知道吗？

I don't even bother anymore because I've kind of learned from him, You know?

哦，这个能治好你，或者这个怎么怎么样。

Oh, this is gonna heal you or this is whatever.

哎呀，天哪。

Oh, jeez.

我还有很多这样的。

I have more of this.

然后他就会翻个白眼，说，让我看看这个。

And he'll be like he'll just roll his eyes and say, like, let me look at this.

让我看看样本量。

Let me look at the sample size.

你知道吗？

You know?

因为他研究的就是这些东西。

Because those are the kinds of things that he studied.

他会说，这就像，

He'll be like, this is Like,

这些研究有时候样本量不够，做得不好。

this is studies are sometimes not a good sample size, not done well.

完全同意。

Totally.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

然后现在最重要的是AI素养，了解AI工具能做什么不能做什么，并有效使用它们。

And then AI literacy is the big one now understanding what AI tools can and can't do using them effectively.

现在我们有了这个新东西，我刚听说这个词叫“氛围编程”。

Now we have this new thing that I just heard this term vibe coding.

我觉得我在这方面有点落伍了。

I think I'm a little late to the game when it comes

不，我不知道。

to- No, I don't know.

等等，等等，等等。

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

如果你落伍了，那我更落伍。

If you're late, I'm late later.

那是什么？

What is it?

好。

Okay.

而且这个夏天就要出来了，所以等这个发布的时候，我们真的已经过时了。

And this is also coming out in the summer, so we're really late by the time this comes out.

我猜“氛围编程”就是人们可以仅通过使用AI来创建自己的网站、自己的应用。

I guess vibe coding is where people can create their own websites, their own apps just by using AI.

我不太清楚他们是怎么做到的。

I don't exactly know how they do it.

我觉得他们可能会去ChatGPT之类的地方，说，给我做个应用。

I think maybe they go to ChatGPT or something and say, make me an app.

我不知道。

I don't know.

这就像是下一个层次。

It's like the next level.

这已经超越了只是聊天和问ChatGPT，比如我该去哪里度假？

It's getting beyond just chatting and asking ChatGPT, where should I go on vacation?

这就像是AI的下一步。

It's like the next step of AI.

把技术创造交到消费者手中，这样你就不必雇一个应用开发者之类的了。

Putting technology creation in the hands of consumers, not so you don't have to hire, like, an app developer, for example.

对。

Yeah.

我就知道这些。

I that's all I know.

我只听过一期关于这个的播客。

I listened to one podcast episode about it.

我就知道这些。

That's all I know.

哇。

Wow.

编程。

Coding.

你知道的比

You know more than

我多。

I do.

好的。

Okay.

然后是文化素养。

Then there's cultural literacy.

理解或应对文化差异。

Understanding or navigating cultural differences.

所以，嗯。

So Mhmm.

与来自不同背景的人沟通和合作。

Communicating and working with people from diverse backgrounds.

Lindsey，我觉得你和我在这方面都很擅长。

Lindsey, I would say you and I thrive in this category.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

我是说，确实。

I mean yeah.

当然。

For sure.

这是我们的兴趣所在。

This is our interest.

我在研究生阶段做了很多这方面的研究。

I did a lot of work on this in my graduate program.

全都是关于这个的。

It was all about this.

所以这算是我们的重点。

And and so this is kind of our focus.

我觉得这是我们可以说相当精通的领域，但你也得跟上变化。

This is the one area I think we can say we're pretty literate, but you have to keep up with things too.

对吧？

Right?

我是说，事情总是在变。

I mean, things change.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

事情总是在变。

Things change all the time.

对。

Yeah.

所以再说一遍，这些词是名词。

So again, these terms are nouns.

是的。

Yes.

但你也可以把它们用作形容词来描述能力。

But you can also use them as adjectives to describe ability.

比如

So for example

我们一直在加入这个。

And we've been dropping that in.

对。

True.

我们一直在加入它。

We've been dropping it in.

所以用 literate 而不是 literacy。

So instead of literacy, use literate.

所以是 financially literate。

So financially literate.

认为自己 financially literate。

Consider myself financially literate.

Financially。

Financially.

所以我们现在需要 L Y。

So we need the L Y right now.

所以是金融素养高。

So financially literate.

科学素养高。

Scientifically literate.

他有化学博士学位，所以毫无疑问他的科学素养很高。

He has a PhD in chemistry, so there's no doubt he's scientifically literate.

可能高得离谱。

Probably off the charts.

科学素养高。

Scientifically literate.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yep.

或者数字素养高。

Or digitally literate.

在现代社会，你得懂数字技术才能生存。

You have to be digitally literate to survive in the modern world.

确实如此。

That's true.

这话有一定道理。

That's true to some extent.

对，当然。

Yeah, for sure.

还有媒体素养。

Media literate.

这个有意思，因为说到这个，我们不说“媒体上地”。

Now this is interesting because with this one, we don't say medially.

媒体上地。

Medially.

那个词不存在。

That does not exist.

你得有媒体素养。

You have to be media literate.

有媒体素养能帮你避开标题党、假新闻这类东西，对吧？

Being media literate helps you avoid clickbait, fake news, things like that, right?

标题党真的很烦人。

Clickbait is so annoying.

我

I

我根本就不会去点，我连尝试都不尝试。

just don't even I don't even try not to engage.

直接忽略。

Just ignore.

不知道。

Don't know.

我也是。

Same.

但我相信我们所有人，在某个时候，都会遇到它并成为它的受害者。

But I'm sure we all, at some point, find it and become victim to it.

是的。

Yeah.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yep.

嗯。

Mhmm.

没错。

Exactly.

所以还有AI素养。

So then there's also AI literate.

所以具备AI素养可以帮你节省大量时间。

So being AI literate could save you loads of time.

是的。

Yes.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

我觉得我需要再上一门课，就是更新一下我在工作中使用AI的知识，你懂吗？

I feel like I needed to take a class again in, like, just updating my knowledge on how to use AI at work, you know?

对。

Yeah.

因为它在不断变化，而且肯定有一些方法可以节省时间。

Because it's constantly changing and there are ways we can save time for sure.

没错。

Right.

他们说，是的，AI可能会取代工作，但如果你知道如何使用AI。

They say that like, yeah, AI may take the jobs, but if you know how to use AI.

所以你应该学习如何使用它。

So you should be learning about like how to use it.

所以这挺值得思考的。

So it's interesting to think about.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yes.

好的。

All right.

那么，你觉得这些词在商务对话中会怎么出现呢？

So how do we think these words might come up in business conversations?

因为这是商务英语播客，Michelle。

Because this is the Business English Podcast, Michelle.

所以我们当然会问这个问题。

So we, of course, ask that question.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

哪里？

Where?

嗯。

Mhmm.

我觉得，应该是在求职面试和招聘过程中。

I mean, I would say job interviews and the hiring process.

对吧？

Right?

用来描述期望。

So to describe expectations.

所以它实际上可能会出现在职位描述里。

So it it actually might be listed in the job description.

所以，嗯。

So Mhmm.

但问题可能是，你会怎么评价你的媒体素养能力？

But a question could be, how would you rate your media literacy skills?

对。

Yeah.

或者你不需要会计技能，但你需要有财务素养。

Or you don't need accounting skills, but you need to be financially literate.

所以我们之前讨论了这两者之间的区别。

So we talked about the difference between the two there.

会计师知道如何利用某些税收减免或税收漏洞，而普通人，比如在谈论退休储蓄、投资和储蓄时，他们不需要知道这些。

An accountant knows how to take advantage of certain tax breaks or certain tax loopholes that your average person just when you're talking about like saving for retirement and investing and saving, they don't need to know that.

这就是我们聘请会计师的原因。

That's why we we hire accountants.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

或者你需要很高的科学素养来分析研究。

Or you'll need a high level of scientific literacy to analyze studies.

好的。

Okay.

或者绩效评估。

Or performance reviews.

对。

Yeah.

职业发展。

Professional development.

所以这是一种礼貌或专业的方式来谈论可能需要改进的技能，对吧？

So this is a polite or professional way to talk about the skills that might need improvement, right?