309 · 迭戈·伊万·科尔特斯·洛佩斯 - 以失为赢：30%足矣

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因为对于经验更丰富的交易者而言，波动性的关键不仅在于幅度大小，更在于其发展过程，即增长速度。对吧？我们许多做日内交易、真正研究蜡烛图的人都知道，它们有特定的行为模式。对吧？每只股票都有非常鲜明的个性特征。

Because violence for the more experienced trader might be not only how big it is, but how it developed, the speed at how it grew. Right? So a lot of us that are day trading and really looking at the candles, they behave a certain way. Right? Some have every stock has a very distinct personality.

所以当你看到连续多根下跌K线后出现的那根阳线时，可能会开始看到价格震荡，然后突然间，那股势头就来了。这就是所谓的暴力拉升。有时候如果你的直觉到位且经验丰富，你可能会灵光一现——那种直觉会告诉你该进场了。当你冲进暴力行情时，它往往还会继续扩大涨幅。

And so when you see that bar after multiple bars down, you might start to see it jitter, and then all of a sudden, that velocity starts to come. And that's that violence. And so sometimes if your intuition is is there and you have the experience, you might be able to, like, oh oh, you get that gut feeling. You jump into the violence, and it turns out to even grow more.

市场、投机与风险。这里是《交易者访谈》播客。

Markets, speculation, and risk. This is the chat with traders podcast.

大家好，欢迎回到《交易者访谈》。这是第309期节目，我是泰莎，和我的搭档伊恩·考克斯共同主持。最近怎么样？

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to chat with Traders. This is episode 309. I'm Tessa doing this show with my cohost, Ian Cox. How's it going?

你们都好吗？希望你们一切顺利，也希望你们能在生活中简单细微的事物里找到快乐，无论处境如何都能保持踏实的心态。让我们始终互相支持、彼此鼓励好吗？交易本身已经够艰难了。

How are you? I hope you're doing well in every way, and I hope you're also finding joy in the little and simple things in life to help keep you grounded no matter what your circumstances are. Let's always try to support and lift each other up. Okay? Trading is hard enough.

对吧？记得照顾好自己。今天的嘉宾对我而言非常特别，有几个原因。其中一个是过去几年我通过查普曼交易者社区逐渐了解了他，他和我们之前提过的几位一样，都是社区里极具影响力的成员。

Right? Take care of yourself. Our guest today is really special to me for several reasons. And one of the reasons why he's special to me is because I've gotten to know him in the past several years through the Chapman Traders community. And he's been one of our influential members in the community alongside a few others that we've mentioned in the past.

今天这位交易者名叫迭戈·科尔特斯·洛佩斯。迭戈从五岁起基本就是在网球场上长大的，网球曾是他年轻时的全部热情——顺便说，他现在依然很年轻。但最终背部受伤让他无缘职业赛场。

But today, this particular trader's name is Diego Cortez Lopez. Diego was basically raised on the tennis courts from around age five. Tennis was his passion in his young life. And by the way, he's still very young. Eventually, though, a back injury closed the door on him going pro.

于是到16岁时，他开始从事网球教练工作，成功开展私教和团体课程，直到2020年疫情爆发——你们都清楚那年发生了什么对吧？此后他辗转于东南亚的巴厘岛和越南生活，可以说是个典型的数字游民式美国外籍交易员。他是那种完全以交易为生的稀有交易者，这类人通常很少愿意接受采访。

And so by 16, he was coaching tennis, successfully coaching private and group lessons until 2020 hit, and then you know what happened in 2020. Right? Since then, he's been living in Southeast Asia from Bali and Vietnam. So I guess you can say he's a classic digital nomad style American expat trader. He's one of those 100% trading for a living traders who are just hard to find that are willing to interview.

这么说我们很幸运。顺便一提，他从未错过任何开盘。这就是对技艺的极致专注。迭戈采用从导师奥利弗·维莱斯那里学到的规则化方法交易大盘股，专注于特定支撑阻力位、清晰的反转信号以及极其简洁的图表——我是说，简单到极致的图表。

So I guess we're lucky. By the way, he's never missed an open. Talk about dedication to one's craft. Diego trades large cap stocks using a rule based approach that he learned from his mentor, Oliver Velez, focusing on certain support and resistance levels and clean reversal signals and also very clean charts. I mean, simple simple simple charts.

我亲眼见过他的操作。他主要在市场开盘后第一小时交易，设置紧密止损，保持三比一或更高的盈亏比，并不断快速截断风险，这证明了纪律性执行比高胜率更重要。本期节目中，你还会听到奥利弗·维莱斯方法论中的一些交易术语和概念，这些都是迭戈借鉴的。但多年来，他已将其融合进自己的交易体系。值得一提的是，迭戈讲解策略时即便没有图表辅助，你也能在脑海中清晰还原他的描述。

I've seen them myself. He trades mainly in the first hour of the market open with tight stops and a three to one or better reward to risk ratio and cutting risk fast over and over, proving that disciplined execution matters more than a high win rate. In this episode, you'll also hear a few trading terms and concepts from Oliver Viles' methodology, which Diego has drawn from. But over the years, he's also blended it into his own trading approach. By the way, Diego explains his strategies in such a way that even without a chart or visuals, you can imagine what he's describing.

非常厉害对吧？闲话少叙，让我们正式进入主题。女士们先生们，我们非常荣幸地向大家介绍迭戈·科尔特斯·洛佩兹，他目前居住在东南亚。

So pretty cool. Anyway, let's get to it. Ladies and gentlemen, we are so pleased to introduce Diego Cortez Lopez, currently living in Southeast Asia.

首先，我谨代表《交易者访谈》向你表示热烈欢迎。

Well, first, I'd like to welcome welcome you to Chat with Traders.

谢谢。

Thank you.

好的。请简单聊聊你的早年经历，比如成长环境和童年兴趣。

Yeah. And tell us a little bit about your early, childhood, kinda where you grew up and, and what interests you early on.

我出生在墨西哥城，但在德克萨斯州达拉斯长大。很小的时候就开始打网球，大概五岁左右就开始练习了。我现在24岁，9月7日就满25岁了。

So I was born in Mexico City, but I grew up in, Dallas, Texas. At a very young age, I started playing tennis. I've been playing tennis since I was maybe five years old, somewhere around that. I'm 24 today. I'll be 25 September 7.

我打网球大概有二十年了。曾经一度非常接近职业水平，谁知道呢？在我能确认自己是否能成为职业选手之前就受伤了。所以通过运动，通过网球，我培养出了相当强的自律性。

So I've been playing maybe twenty years. I got to a point where I was pretty close to playing maybe professional. Who knows? I got injured before I I could find out if I could have made it. So I I acquired a quite a bit of discipline through sports, through tennis.

我想，那份热爱最终引导我去寻找其他可以精进的事物，因为网球是我无法继续从事的运动。后来我开始教网球，教年轻人、成年人、老年人，这样持续了几年。

I think, that passion then eventually led me to desiring to find something else to get very good at since tennis was something that I just could not keep doing. Eventually, I started teaching, tennis, young adults, adults, elderly, and, I did that for a few years.

你那时候教网球多大年纪？

How old were you at that time when you were teaching tennis?

我

I

我记得是16岁左右开始教学的。16岁时正值巅峰期——你知道的，16岁就该知道自己能否走职业道路，因为大多数职业选手都在17、18岁左右转职业。那时我水平相当不错，但背部伤势阻碍了我的发展。

think I started teaching around I was 16. So at the age of 16, I hit my I was I think I was hitting my prime. You know, 16 year olds, by the time you're 16, you should know if you're going professional or not, because most professionals, they go professional around 17, 18. So at that time, I was I was pretty good. But my back injury did not, permit me to to advance.

于是我减少了打球频率，专注于教学。没想到教学成了非常非常赚钱的生意。通过私教课、团体课，我干了几年，直到新冠疫情爆发摧毁了整个行业。我当时想：好吧，反正有足够的存款。

So I stopped playing tennis, that much, and, I focused on teaching. Turns out that teaching was a a very, very, very good, business. So doing private lessons, group lessons, and, I did that for a few years until COVID hit, and, that killed the the whole business. And I was like, alright. Well, I got plenty of money, plenty of savings.

我决定搬到另一个国家，选择了墨西哥。在那里住了一阵子，2021年疫情中期回到美国。其实在疫情爆发前——2019年底——我就已经搬去亚洲了。

I'm gonna move out to some other country, chose Mexico. And I was there for a while. Came back to The US mid COVID around 2021, I believe. Then moved to to Asia a little before COVID happened. So late twenty nineteen.

有意思。所以你是在还没完全想清楚要做什么的时候就搬去了亚洲，还是说你只是暂时离开了教学岗位，网球？

Interesting. So you you moved to Asia while you were still kind of figuring out what you wanted to do, or or you were temporarily sidelined from the teaching, tennis?

是啊。2020年网球生意彻底黄了，不过年初倒是赚了些钱。2019年底通过大学认识的人开始接触交易，和所有人一样注册了Robinhood。买了人生第一支股票特斯拉，还有比特币，好像还买了些低价股，名字记不清了。

Yeah. So so 2020 killed the tennis business, made some money at the start of 2020. But late twenty nineteen, got into trading through some guy I met in college, and, it was I got into Robinhood like everyone else does. Bought my first stock, Tesla, Bitcoin, and I think some penny stock. I forget what it's called.

2020年初大概是三月吧，也可能是二月或三月，就在市场大反弹前我开始真正投入交易。那时正好是大学春假，后来我就再没回去上学直接退学了。当时就觉得——我喜欢这个。

And, early twenty twenty around March or was it February or March that before the big recovery is when I really got into trading. And, I think that was during spring break of college. I never went back to college. I just dropped out. And I said, I like this.

这真的太酷了，所以我决定全力投入。打网球攒了不少积蓄，就搬去墨西哥住了几个月尝试交易，结果赔光了所有钱。

This is really, really cool, so I'm gonna go all in. I had plenty of savings, because of tennis, so I decided to move to Mexico for a few months, tried it out, lost everything through trading.

详细说说。咱们深入聊聊这个。你早期的交易策略是什么？刚开始是什么风格？

Yeah. Tell us. Let let's let's get into the weeds on that one. What what were your early kinda strategies, and what was your style of trading early on?

说起来有点尴尬...当时根本不懂自己在干嘛。当然那会儿自以为很懂，搞什么一两个点差价的期货剥头皮交易。期货是当时最便宜的市场入场方式，股票太贵了。所以我就在倒腾微型迷你期货合约。

It's a bit embarrassing. I I really did not know what I was doing. I thought I did, of course, back in the day, but I was a so called scalping going for one or two points trading futures. Futures was the cheapest way to access the market because stocks was too expensive. So I was doing that, scalping micro micro minis.

好像是叫这个名儿吧？记不清了，都好多年没碰期货了。不过没错，当时就在搞这种剥头皮交易，想搞出点名堂。

I I think that's what they're called. Right? I forget. I haven't traded future in many years. But, yeah, I was scalping those, trying to make something happen.

我基本上是在尝试做空前几天的低点。所以我在支撑位做空，在阻力位买入。完全搞反了方向。本应在支撑位买入、阻力位做空，但我当时不懂。结果亏得很惨，损失了近六位数。

I was basically trying to short the lows of previous days. So I was shorting at support, and I was buying into resistance. So I had it the wrong way. I should have been buying at support and shorting at resistance, but I didn't know any better. So I was getting smoked, lost nearly 6 figures.

那段经历相当痛苦。之后，在墨西哥亏光所有钱后，我搬回美国，重启网球生意，做了大概六七个月，又赚了不少钱，然后搬到了巴厘岛。这段时间我仍在交易。明白吗？自2020年初以来，我从没错过任何一个开盘日。

So that was that was pretty painful. And then, after Mexico, after losing all that money, I moved back to The US, started the tennis business back up, did that for about six, seven months, made a lot of money again, and then moved to Bali. And I'm still trading during these these times. Right? So I haven't missed a single open since, you know, the start of 2020.

那么亏掉那笔钱后，你有没有做出调整或学习？有导师吗？你是怎么学习的？

And so after losing that money, did you did you make any adjustments, or were you learning? Did you have, like, a mentor or any how did you learn?

没有，我没有任何导师。我以为能自学掌握这门技能，但大错特错。我什么都没改变，还自认为差不多走在正确道路上，其实完全错了。

No. I I did not have any mentor. I thought I could have learned this skill on my own, but I was very wrong. I didn't change anything. I thought that I was around the neighborhood of being on, you know, the on the right path, but I was very wrong.

我花了...大概两年半才找到正确方法。具体说不清是什么时候，2022年末吧，情况开始好转。那时我已交易两年半了。

It it took me, saw, two years and a half to find the the right approach. I can't tell you exactly what. What was it? Twenty twenty twenty two, late twenty twenty two that things started to turn around. So two years and a half into my training.

你当时还在用阻力位买入、支撑位做空的策略吗？中途有没有调整？另外你交易的是期货吗？

Were you doing the same strategy of of buying at resistance and then shorting at support or any modifications along the way? And and what security you were trading futures. Is that correct?

是那个

Is that

那时候？

at that time?

那时候我还在交易MNQ、MES和罗素指数，做短线操作，试图突破昨日高点或低点。我会做空昨日低点，期待价格继续下探，结果却总是反转让我亏损。要知道我的止损设置非常小，稍有波动就会被扫损，十次有九次都在亏钱。显然我当时根本不懂自己在做什么。

At that time, I'm still trading MNQ, MES, the Russell, and, I'm I'm scalping, looking for breakouts out of yesterday's highs or yesterday lows. So I would short the low of yesterday, hoping that it would break down a lot lower just for it to reverse on me and get smoked. Now keep in mind that my stop losses are very small. So any any movement will nick me out and I'll lose, you know, 99% of the time. So I clearly did not know what I was doing.

后来在2022年底通过YouTube认识了奥利弗·维尔斯，这位有近五十年交易经验的前辈。他显然深谙此道，于是我尝试了他的方法，这确实让我豁然开朗——我必须完全摒弃之前学到的所有错误观念。

And then I met through YouTube, I think, in late twenty twenty two, I found a gentleman called Oliver Viles. He's been trading for almost five decades. Clearly, he knows what he's talking about. So I I gave it a shot, and it it did give me new eyes. I had to unlearn everything I learned.

后来发现交易其实比想象中简单得多，无非就是做好基本风险管理、把握合理盈亏比。从2022年开始我用正确方法重塑自己，到今年十二月交易满六年左右，在这个行业里还算是个新人。

And it turns out that trading was actually a lot a lot more simple than I could have imagined. So just a basic risk management, some decent odds, and yeah. So I I developed myself since 2022 of the right way. And then, I guess, in December, I'll be trading for six years, more or less. So I'm still a baby in this industry.

六年成绩并不理想，嗯。

You know? Six years is not good. Mhmm.

那么我们来聊聊这种新交易方式——你现在属于哪种交易风格？短线、日内还是其他类型？

So let's dive into the new way of trading. Like, what kind of a trader are you in this new type of trading? Are you a scalper or day trader or what?

近三年半以来我主要交易股票，只做那些主流大盘股，比如特斯拉、AMD、美光、微软、Meta、微策略这些价差小的品种。现在我的操作和过去完全相反：在支撑位做多，在阻力位做空，设置合理止损，追求良好的风险回报比，不再纠结胜率。以前做短线时总幻想能保持七八成胜率，事实证明大错特错。

So today, for the past three years and a half or more or less, I've been trading stocks. So I just trade the big main stocks, you know, whatever is popular. So Tesla, AMD, MU, Microsoft, Meta, MSTR, the big ones, as long as they have a low spread. And I do the opposite of what I used to do in the past. So I buy at support, and I short a resistance, have the appropriate stop loss, aim for a decent risk reward, and not worry too much about the win rate because, you know, back in the day when I was scalping, I believed that I could achieve a nine out of 10 win rate, eight out of 10, or even seven out of 10, which I was very wrong.

如今，凭借六年的经验和多次失败经历，我相信并非人人都能实现70%的胜率。我认为这高得惊人，但世上肯定存在这样的奇才——比如德约科维奇或迈克尔·乔丹那样的存在。但我不是那种人，明白吗？

Now today, with my six years of experience and a lot of losing, I believe that not everyone is capable of producing a 70% win rate. I think that is extraordinarily high, but I'm sure there's people out there. You know, there's always a Djokovic or a Michael Jordan or something like that. But I'm not that guy. You know?

我没那么聪明，也没那么厉害，但我能稳定保持30%到40%的胜率。只要胜率达到40%且风险回报比合理，这两个关键因素就能让你盈利。

I'm not that smart. I'm not that that good, but I can reproduce a 30%, 40% win rate. So as long as my win rate is 40% and the risk reward makes sense, right, those two key factors, you can be profitable.

那么咱们

So let's

深入探讨

dive into

我们来具体聊聊你做多或做空的判断标准——在你眼中，符合交易条件的图表应该具备哪些特征？

let's dive into kinda what you look for, say, to go long or go short. Like, what are the characteristics of of what what does the chart look like to you?

我只看日线图。重点关注所有关键支撑位，比如前一日高点。以SPY为例，假设昨天...

So all I focus on is the daily. All I focus is at the daily. I look at any major support. So any daily high. So yesterday, for example, yesterday, let's say, call it, the spy.

我会观察昨日最高点和最低点。如果价格从低点暴力反弹——形成非常强烈的重大反弹——我就会视其为强力支撑。若今日开盘后价格回踩该位置，并出现例如带长下影线的K线，我就会考虑做多。只要入场点和止损位足够小，能提供可观回报，我就会出手。毕竟我只需要十次交易中做对三次就够了。

Yesterday is high and yesterday is low. If it had a violent bounce off the lows, right, created a very violent major bounce, then I'll consider it a strong support. And if today opens and it reaches that level, if it gives me, for example, a tail bar, I'll consider a lung. As long as the the the entry and the stop is small enough to give me a decent reward, then I'll take it. And I just have to be right three times out of 10.

那么当你观察支撑位时，你不会去查看前几周或前几个月的数据来判断'哇，这个支撑位在过去几个月里表现非常强劲'，从而影响你在价格回落到该支撑位时加仓的意愿？还是说你会完全忽略所有早于前一天的历史数据？

So when you're looking at support then, it doesn't you don't look at the the preceding weeks or months to see, oh, wow. This level of support is really good going back a number of months so that would influence my desire to maybe increase my position at when it gets back down to that support, or do you just totally ignore all prior history prior than the day before?

只要肉眼能明显识别，回溯几周的数据是可以的。关键是要足够明显——如果你在臆测、试图说服自己某个位置可能是支撑位，那它很可能就不是。可以说这一切都是自我实现的预言。只要某个支撑位足够明显，那么大多数情况下它就会发挥作用。

So it can go back a few weeks as long as it's obvious to the eye. So it has to be obvious. If you're if you're making it up and you're guessing and you're trying to convince yourself that it might be, it's probably not. So everything is is is a self fulfilling prophecy, you could say. So as long as it's obvious that it's a support, then it's probably gonna play out most of the time.

不要在一分钟图表上随意交易那些随机支撑位，那样做十有八九会亏损。但如果你关注那些更重要的支撑位——可能是机构或大资金关注的区域——这些位置在大多数时候都有效。日线级别的支撑阻力位就很可靠，如果日线上找不到合适位置，我会降级到小时线寻找关键支撑阻力位。不过大多数时候日线图都能提供有效信号。

You don't wanna be tray trading random support levels off of a, you know, one minute time frame because you're probably gonna get smoked most of the time. But if you're looking at those more important ones that maybe so institutions or whatever big money is looking at, whatever that you wanna call it, it they work most of the time. So daily support and resistance, that's good. If I don't find anything off the daily, I'll go down to hourly, right, to find some key support level or resistance. But most of the time, the daily is always available.

我通常交易10只左右的股票，所以总能找到机会。但这种策略在趋势行情中效果不佳。比如今天（9月5日）上午SPY大幅下跌，在这种行情里接飞刀大概率会失败。

I trade usually around 10 stocks, so there's always Mhmm. Something available. But the strategy doesn't work well in trending markets. So for example, today, September 5, this morning, the spy sold off pretty heavily. You know, trying to catch a falling knife is probably not gonna work out today.

但在其他波动较小、处于横盘状态的日子里，这个策略就很适用。

But other days when we're, you know, a little bit more calm, just ranging, it's a good time.

明白了。所以你是想在周期循环中捕捉超买超卖机会？嗯哼。

I see. So you're looking to play the, what, overbought, oversold conditions within a a a sick cycle? Uh-huh.

没错。比如说今天SPY前30分钟持续下跌，在五分钟图表上连续出现10根阴线...

Yep. Yep. Yep. Mhmm. So I really want for example, today, let's say the SPY sold off for the first thirty minutes, and there's just you know, on a five minute chart, there's just 10 red candles in a row.

这显然是过度延伸了，太过了。所以我会寻找买入信号。对我来说，买入信号就是一根漂亮的小尾线。只要肉眼能明显看出是尾线，不要太大因为你不想风险太大，也不要太小因为它需要有足够的看涨动能。

That's obviously overextended. It's too much. So what I would look for is a buy event. A buy event to me would be a nice little tail bar. As long as it's obvious to the eye that it is a tail bar, not too big because you don't want the risk to be too big, not too small because you don't wanna it needs to be bullish enough.

对吧？目标是三比一、四比一的回报，但反弹时至少要有二比一。嗯哼。所以你真正想要的是超卖后跌至支撑位的过度延伸。

Right? And go for a three to one, four to one, but minimum two to one on the bounce. Uh-huh. So you really want it overextension, oversold into support.

超卖。明白了。那...你在图表上看的是哪个时间框架？

Oversold. I see. And and what what time frame are you looking at on your charts?

五分钟图。这是我最主要看的。

Five minute. That's the main one I look at.

好的，五分钟图。所以在你看来，当出现什么信号时意味着调整结束了？反转线吗？是这样吗？

Okay. Five minute chart. So when it looks to you so it signifies that the correction is over when you have, what, a reversal bar. Is that it?

对。人们怎么称呼它来着？他们叫它尾线。奥利弗·维斯特称它们为180度线、宽幅线。有很多叫法。

Yeah. So people what do they call it? They call it tail bars. Oliver Lest calls them one eighties, wide range bars. There's a bunch of names too.

但任何反转线、任何反转信号，只要位置合适都符合条件，对吧？比如重要支撑位。

But any any reversal bar, any reversal event, that qualifies for a potential, long as long as the location is good. Right? So major support levels.

嗯哼。如果反弹时成交量非常清淡呢？这会让你因为成交量不足而不做多吗？你是怎么看的？

Uh-huh. What if the volume is really light on on the bounce? Does that influence you not to go long because it's the the volume's weak, or how do you look at that?

我不看成交量。嗯。所以我无法告诉你。我学过如何使用它，但在日常交易中我不用它。我保持非常简单。

I don't look at volume. Mhmm. So I I could not tell you. I've learned how to use it, but my day to day trading, I don't use it. I keep it very simple.

只要它超卖严重，至少连续多根同色K线。你可以想象，比如标普连续下跌一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九根红K线。如果你是空头，可能会开始收紧你的追踪止损策略。这样回调就会很快到来，对吧，在这样一波走势后。所以我会用五分钟图。

As long as it's very oversold, at least, you know, multiple bars in a row of the same color. So you can imagine it, you know, and spy selling off one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine red bars in a row. If you were short, you would probably start to, you know, tighten up your trailing approach. So a pullback would be imminent, right, after such a move. So I'd use the five minute.

为了降低风险，我会用更小的时间框架，比如两分钟甚至一分钟图，来精确定位入场点并设置合适的止损。很多时候，我能找到很好的入场点和止损位，可能获得三比一、四比一、五比一甚至更高的回报。

And in order to reduce my risk, I'll use a smaller time frame such as the two minute or even the one minute to try to really nail down my entry and find a appropriate stop. And, a lot of times, I might be able to find a very nice entry with a very nice stop that could potentially reward me with three to one, four to one, five to one, sometimes even more.

那你是怎么计算的？我是说，当你说三比一、四比一比例时，你的目标出场价是什么？在这种情况下你预期会有什么样的回调？

And how do you calculate I mean, how do you what's your target price to get out when you say three to one, four to one ratio? What kind of retracement backup in this case are you expecting?

我预期的回调幅度不超过上涨幅度的三分之一。所以...

The retracement that I'm expecting is no more than a third of the move up. So Oh, so one

下跌幅度的三分之一。所以三分之一...三分之一幅度的回调。嗯。对。嗯。

one third of the decline. So one third one third retracement backup. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh.

是的。所以我认为人们称之为斐波那契水平或类似的东西。嗯。但我设想的是大幅下跌后反弹至三分之一位置，这是我最多能预期的。

Yeah. So I think, people call those Fibonacci levels or something like that. Mhmm. But I just imagine it's just massive, massive move down, a bounce to the one third mark. That is the most I should expect.

现在它能走得更远吗？当然可以。那将是全垒打。但我需要确保我的止盈点设在三分之一位置。到那时，我应该至少能实现一到两个目标。

Now can it go a lot further? Sure. That would be the home run. But I need to make sure that my profit take is at the one third mark. And by that moment, I should be able to achieve at least one to two.

如果能获得更多，那就更完美了。

If I can get more, then perfect.

那么当你观察潜在反转并出现一根反转线时，这对你重要吗？或者如果是剧烈回撤（比如我们所说的大象线），这会对你跟单决策产生多大影响？

So when you're looking at the potential reversal and then you get one one reversal bar, does it matter to you, or how much would it impact your your decision to go along if it's a violent retracement, like like a what we would call an elephant bar.

是的。如果回撤发生得非常剧烈而我还没进场，我会等待价格回落至我理想的入场点，然后将止损设在当日低点。想象一下大幅下跌后剧烈回撤，它可能还没触及三分之一位置，或者已经触及。但如果价格回落到那个剧烈回撤区域，可能仍是买入的好机会，有望再次上涨至同样的三分之一位置。

Yeah. So if the retracement happens very violently without me being in it, then I'll wait for the price to come back down to where I wanted to get in and then put the stop at the low of day. So imagine the big move down, violent retracement. It hasn't hit the one third mark yet, or maybe it did. But if it bound if it drops back into that area of that violent retracement, it could still be potentially a good buy for another move up to that same one third mark.

这样讲明白吗？就像是第二次尝试，获得第二次进场的机会。

Does that make sense? So it's like a a second a second attempt to get a second chance to get in the trade.

我明白了。在你某个视频中你提到过这个，我记得是叫礼物区对吧？那么这根剧烈K线是什么样子的？与其他K线相比有何特征，让交易者能在发生时识别出来？

I see. And in one of your videos, you referred to this, I believe, what was called the gift zone. Is that That's what it is. And so what does this what does this bar look like? I mean, the this violent bar, how does it compare to the other bars so that traders can can identify this when this happens?

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没错。它必须明显大于左侧所有其他元素。必须非常明显。再说一次，如果你在猜测、在怀疑，那很可能就不够大。

Yeah. It just has to be a lot bigger than everything else to the left. So it it has to be obvious. It has to be very obvious. Again, if you're guessing, if you're doubting, then it's probably not big.

所以它必须明显大于左侧所有元素。就像教孩子圈出大柱子那样简单——维拉斯老师就是这样教我们的：标出那些大柱子，就这么简单。

So it it has to be a lot bigger than everything to the left. If you were to ask a child to, you know, circle the big bars, that's how it was taught. Highlight the big bars. That's how Velas taught us. And it's just that simple.

如果它规模大，如果它显而易见，那么，你知道，这就是一场激烈的战争。现在你可以更深入地研究。对吧？因为对于更有经验的交易者来说，暴力不仅在于规模大小，还在于它的发展过程。对吗？

If it's big, if it's obvious, then, you know, it's a violent war. Now you can go more in-depth. Right? Because violence for the more experienced trader might be not only how big it is, but how it developed. Right?

它增长的速度如何？对吧？嗯。我们很多做日内交易的人真正观察蜡烛图时，会发现它们有特定的行为模式。对吧？

The speed at how it grew. Right? So Mhmm. A lot of us that are day trading and really looking at the candles, they behave a certain way. Right?

有些股票每只都有非常独特的个性。所以当你看到那根K线时，比如说，在连续多根下跌K线后，你可能会开始看到它抖动，然后突然间，那股势头就来了。那就是所谓的暴力。所以有时候如果你的直觉到位且有经验，你可能会产生那种预感。你投身于这股暴力中，结果它甚至还会继续扩大。

Some have every stock has a very distinct personality. And so when you see that bar, you know, let's say, after multiple move multiple bars down, you might start to see it jitter, and then all of a sudden, that velocity starts to come. And that's that violence. And so sometimes if your intuition is is there and you have the experience, you might be able to, like, oh oh, you get that gut feeling. You jump into the violence, and it turns out to even grow more.

这很难解释。

It's hard to explain.

我明白了。但你之前说过，通常你会等待。即使看到那根暴力K线，你也会等待回调。它回调的频率有多高？你发现它直接继续上涨而让你错过交易的情况又有多频繁？

I see. And so but you said earlier that, normally, you you wait. Even though you see the the violent bar, you wait for it to retrace. How often does it retrace, and and how often have you found that it just continues to go on go on up and and you missed out on the trade?

根据我的统计数据，我发现概率各占一半。所以有时候如果你没进场，对吧，如果你没抓住入场点，它就会在你缺席时剧烈波动，可能直接冲上去触及盈利目标。有时它会剧烈反弹，回撤给你再次进场的机会，然后行情才启动。但你知道，概率是五五开。

I I've found it to personally, from my stats, it's fifty fifty. It's fifty fifty. So sometimes, if you're not in the trade, right, if you don't nail the entry, and it goes without you very violently, it might just go straight up and hit the profit target. And sometimes it'll bounce violently, pull back, give you another chance to get in, and then the move happens. But, you know, it's fifty fifty.

你看到这些大象K线在单只股票上出现的频率如何？还是说根据观察的股票不同差异很大？

And how often do you see these elephant bars with any one particular stock, or does it high vary significantly depending on the the stock you're looking at?

这种情况每天都在发生。好吧。每天都会多次出现，至少十次、二十次。所以这就是那个特定事件，那个巨大的柱状图，它无处不在。

It happens every every day. Okay. Every day, multiple times, at least ten, twenty times a day. So it it's that that specific event, the very large bar, it's everywhere.

你可以看看它。股票？用同一只股票，

You can take a look it. Stock? With the same stock,

或者你需要

or do you need to

关注几十只股票吗？

be looking at dozens of stocks?

对于同一只股票，这种情况当然会发生，根据时间框架的不同，一天内可能发生多次。比如今天你看SPY的五分钟图，我是说，就有多个大柱状图。甚至十五分钟图上也有多个大柱状图。今天是9月5日，对听众来说。是的，确实有多个大柱状图。

With with the same stock, it can happen of course, depending on the time frame, it can happen multiple times a day. So if you were to look at the SPY today on the five minute, I mean, there's multiple large bars. Even on the fifteen minute, there's multiple large bars. So today is September 5 for the people listening. But, yeah, there's there's multiple large bars.

你可以称之为多个，好吧。这个走势已经超卖了。它已经耗尽。是的。现在重要的是，显然，是走势的起点和终点部分，也就是耗尽阶段。

Multiple of them, you could call it, okay. This is this move is oversold. It's exhausted. So yeah. Now the important ones are, obviously, the ones that originate the the origin of the move and the ones that are at the very end, right, the exhausting part.

你主要在早盘交易还是全天交易？或者你有没有发现一天中某个特定时间段比其他时间更偏好？

Do you trade mainly in the morning session or throughout the day, or have you found any particular time times during the day that you prefer over others?

我在前二十分钟过去后表现最佳。所以我通常只交易前六十分钟。就这样。

I do best after the first twenty minutes go by. So I'll usually trade only the first sixty minutes. That's it.

哦，为什么为什么我是说，是什么让前六十分钟对你来说比，比如说，一天的其他时间更好？

Oh, why why is that I mean, what makes the first sixty minutes better for you than, say, the rest of the day?

所以你——我——嗯，首先，我在亚洲，所以我没兴趣——我想早点睡觉。嗯。但大部分波动发生在前六十分钟，前九十分钟。所以如果我在前六十分钟内无法完成交易，我就不想待在那里。这只是我的习惯。

So you I well, one, I'm in Asia, so I have no no interest in I wanna go to sleep early. Mhmm. But majority of the volatility is in the first sixty minutes, first ninety minutes. So if I can't get the job done by the first sixty minutes, I don't wanna be there. So that's just me.

嗯哼。嗯。嗯。再说，前六十分钟参与者更多。对吧？

Uh-huh. Mhmm. Mhmm. Again, also, more participants are in the first sixty minutes. Right?

所以要让我的策略生效，我需要有人在交易。对吧？我需要大资金在场。如果——如果参与者不够，那我做的交易就不会有后续跟进。对吧？

So for my events to work, I need people trading. Right? I need the big money to be there. And so and if I if I don't have participants, then there's not gonna be follow through on the trades that I'm taking. Right?

所以我需要——嗯。可以说我需要机构投资者的参与。

So I need Mhmm. That institutional participation, I could you could say.

你会看移动平均线以及它们对你做多或做空的潜在帮助吗？

Do you look at moving averages and their potential aid in helping you go long or go short?

是的。我使用200日均线、简单移动平均线和20日均线。简单来说，如果价格高于20日和200日均线，就处于看涨状态。如果价格低于20日和200日均线，显然就是看跌状态。如果20日和200日均线分开了，那么可以认为趋势已经持续一段时间了，做多时要小心。

Yeah. I use the 200 moving average, the simple moving average, and the 20. To keep it simple, if the price is above the 20 and the 200, you're in a bullish state. If your price is below the 20 and the 200, you're obviously in a bearish state. If the 20 and the 200 get two separated, right, then you could assume that you've been trending for quite a while and be careful going long.

这就是我们所说的宽幅状态或趋势状态。宽幅状态可能会持续扩大，所以逆势操作要非常谨慎。这就是为什么我说做空时，我会选择在具有较好反转概率的理想位置进场。

Now that's what we call a wide state or a trending state. Wide state a wide state can always get wider, so be very careful trying to go against the trend. But that's why I say that when I'm going short, I'll take a short at a good location that has decent odds of producing a reversal.

好的。给我们描述下什么是理想位置。比如在图表上会呈现什么样子？结合移动平均线等指标，让大家能更直观理解你的意思。

Okay. Describe that to us at a good location. Like, what was it what would it look like on the chart and with the the moving averages and so that people can imagine what you're talking about.

想象一下，比如说特斯拉。整个星期都在区间震荡。现在是周五，开盘后连续出现10根阳线，直逼本周主要高点——这个高点恰好出现在两天前的周三。而那个周三恰好是从顶部急速暴跌的行情。

Imagine, imagine, I don't know, let's say, Tesla. It's been in a range for the whole week. It's Friday. And, right off the open, you get 10 green bars in a row up into, let's say, the major high of the week, right, which happens to be, let's say, two days ago, right, on a Wednesday. And that Wednesday happened to be a very violent drop from the top.

这波行情的起点就很剧烈。因此我可以推测：如果周五当前这波连续10根阳线的上涨能触及周三那个简单阻力位的高点，预计会出现某种反应，很可能是下跌。大多数时候新高都会失败，所以我赌会出现某种反转。假设现在连续15根阳线后出现漂亮的上影线，那就是做空机会。

So the origin of the move was violent. So I can assume that if Friday's move, which is right now green, we're 10 bars up, if we can get to that Wednesday high, right, which is just a simple resistance, I could expect I could predict that there is going to be some sort of reaction, probably a drop. The majority of the time, new highs fail, so I'm gonna bet that there's gonna be some sort of reversal. So let's say now we're 15 green 15 green bars in a row, and we get that nice topping tail bar. That's a short opportunity.

对吧？做空它。希望风险可控，风险回报比合理，就可以出手。我认为对多数交易者来说，应该以30%的胜率为目标，这个是可以稳定实现的。

Right? Short it. Let's hope that the risk is appropriate and, the risk reward makes sense, and go for it. Now I would say that for most traders, they should aim to achieve a 30% win rate. I think that's reproducible.

对这个行业大多数人来说很现实。很多人花多年时间追求不切实际的统计数据，根本不可能实现。30%胜率配合3:1或4:1的盈亏比就能盈利。这不够酷也不惊艳，但可复制性强。

That's realistic for the majority of the industry. I think a lot of people go many years trying to achieve unrealistic unrealistic statistics that it's just it's just not gonna happen. So 30% with a three to one, four to one math is gonna make money for you. Now it's not cute. It's not impressive, but it's reproducible.

是的。你通常在哪里设置止损点？你有没有听说过交易者通常会把止损点设在阻力位顶部略上方？这样会形成一个区域，让其他交易者或操纵者可以进行止损猎杀，清除那些最后的止损单。那么你把止损点设在哪里呢？

Yeah. Where do you set your stops? Is it or have you heard of it being common for traders to set their stops just slightly above the very top of that resistance level, and it creates a an area for trader other traders or manipulators to do stop loss hunting to blow out those those last little stops. And so where do you place your stop?

就像我说的，如果尾线出现在15根阳线之后，我会在尾线低点做空，并把止损设在尾线上方。如果我被震出局，比如尾线被突破，之后可能又出现一两根K线。然后如果再次出现尾线，我会给第二次机会。但我最多只给两次机会，因为震仓确实会发生。

So if the tail bar appears, like I said, after 15 green bars, the tailbar appears, I short at the tailbar, at the low of the tailbar, and the stop will go above the tailbar. If I get shaken out, right, the tailbar gets taken out, and let's say maybe one bar higher, two more bars proceed after that. And then another tail bar appears, then I'll give it an a second shot. But this it's only I'll only give it two chances. And shakeouts happen.

我只需要重新进场。我有几种重新进场的策略，但我不喜欢设置过宽的止损。宁愿更频繁地止损，也要保持良好的风险管理。

I just have to to reenter. And I there are reentry approaches that I that I take, but I I don't like to to give myself a wide stop. I'd rather be wrong more often and and have good risk management.

我明白了。所以你设置止损不是基于百分比，而是基于尾线上方的位置，也就是把止损设在最近看到的最高阻力位上方。

I I see. So where you place the stop is not based on a percentage. It's based on on where it'd be just above the the tail bar, meaning you're you're putting your stop just above the the last highest level of resistance that you saw.

没错。资金止损才是最重要的。每个交易者都应该设置百分比止损或固定金额止损。嗯。

Yep. Yeah. And the monetary stop is the most important. So every every trader should have either a percent stop or a dollar amount stop. Mhmm.

当200日均线与20日均线重合或紧密压缩时，如果出现大象线（大幅波动K线），你会特别重视吗？换句话说，是否存在某些情况，当多重信号同时出现时，你会大幅增加仓位？你的仓位管理策略是怎样的？

Do you place much importance when the two hundred day moving average is aligned or compressed together with the twenty day moving average when you see these elephant bars appear? In other words, do you are there scenarios where you see a confluence of events that are so compelling that you greatly increase your position size? Or how does position sizing work for you?

仓位管理方面，这些年来我的方法有所变化。几年前我会分轻仓、中仓、重仓操作。但现在由于胜率降低到35%左右，我保持仓位基本一致——因为根本无法预知哪笔交易会盈利。现在我所有交易的仓位都相同，不想因为轻仓操作而错过像今天这样的大行情。

So position sizing, for me, it's changed over the years. A few years ago, I had the approach where I would have my light size, medium size, heavy size. But nowadays, since my win rate is a lot lower, it's around 35%, I keep my position size relatively the same since I just don't know which which trade is gonna be the winner. So all my position sizing is the same. I I don't want for me to position size lightly, and then because of the randomness of the market, it ends up being a mega trade like today.

今天，我不小心仓位过轻的那笔交易，结果成了全天最大的行情。为什么？我也说不上来。另一笔交易的布局更好，但今天偏偏就是这笔成了主角。所以这太随机了，我实在没法笃定地说'本该如此'。

Today, my the trade that I accidentally position sized too lightly ended up being the biggest move of the day. Why? I couldn't tell you. The other trade was the better setup, but today, this one just happened to to be the main one. So it's it's too random for me to honestly say, yeah.

其实我知道这里应该下重仓。只是这些年来...我承认，我确实没法保证十次交易对七次。所以我宁愿保持30%、35%的胜率，然后在仓位管理上做到极致。比如今天我做了笔交易，尾部K线的风险可能是50美元，但我找到了更好的入场点，就能适当加仓。实际风险可能很小，等到行情启动时，我已经重仓在手，同时亏损仍控制在50美元以内——结果这笔反而成了大赢家。

Like, I know I should be position sizing very heavy here. I just over the years, I I can I I admit, I just cannot manage to be right seven out of 10 times? So I'd rather keep that 30% win rate, 35, and position size, the best I can. So let's say today, I take a trade where the risk on the tail bar might be $50, but I get a better entry, and I can size in a little bit heavier. My risk might be very tiny, but by the time it starts moving my way, I'm heavily sized in while still losing $50 or less, and that turns out to be a big winner.

所以说，入场点非常关键。

So entries are very important.

你有做交易日志的习惯吗？

Do you do any, journaling?

有的。我每天都会在WhatsApp的私人群聊里记录，截图交易画面发进去。不过现在不算正经做日志了，几年前倒是坚持过。现在不了，我觉得自己已经摸清门道了。

Yeah. I journal every day on my, I have a a WhatsApp group chat with myself in it, and I'll just screenshot the trade and put it there. And but I don't journal anymore. I used to journal a few years ago, but, no, not anymore. I think I know what I'm doing today.

所以这成了本能反应。开盘前一分钟我才进场，前20分钟基本不交易，所以时间很宽松。整个过程可以说...慢条斯理？就是很悠闲的那种。

So it's just second nature. I show up one minute before the open. I don't really trade the first twenty minutes, so it doesn't really matter. It's a it's a very slow and, would you say, nonchalant? It's just laid back.

嗯哼。但现在就像走路一样，已经驾轻就熟了。

Uh-huh. But it's become like walking, so it's it's easy now.

嗯。当一些交易者说他们喜欢看多个时间框架，通过多个时间框架来真正确定行情是否可持续时，你怎么看？他们会看两分钟、五分钟、十五分钟、三十小时等不同周期来全面评估行情质量。你觉得这种方法有价值吗？还是只看两分钟或五分钟周期对你来说就够了？

Mhmm. What do you what's your opinion when traders some traders say that they like to look at multiple time frames, many time frames to to really nail down, you know, is this move sustainable? So they'll look at maybe the two minute, five, you know, fifteen, thirty hour to try to get a comprehensive look at the quality of of the move. Do you place much value in that, or just looking at a two minute or five minute is sufficient for you?

对于初学者，我建议只专注于一个时间框架并学会解读它。因为大多数时候，新手会看太多东西而感到不知所措，结果什么都没掌握好。我刚开始时就只专注两分钟周期，并在这个周期上实现了盈利。之后才逐步加入五分钟、十五分钟、小时线和日线作为辅助确认。

For for the beginner, I would say to just stick to only one time frame and learn to read that. Because most of the time, beginners, they they look at too many things, and they get overwhelmed. And they they don't master one thing. So when I first started, I focused only on the two minute, and I I became profitable on the two minute. And then I added on, you know, the five minute, the fifteen minute, the hourly, and the daily, and use those as confluence.

对吧？如果你经验更丰富，就会知道如何运用十五分钟周期。得到的确认信号越多越好。但对初学者来说，我建议只专注一个方面。贪多嚼不烂通常没有好处。

Right? Now if you're more experienced, then you'll know how to use the 15. The more confluence is you get, the better. But for the beginner, I'd stick to one thing. Too much is all is usually not good.

盘前活动对你的交易有影响吗？或者你觉得看盘前数据有很大价值吗？

Does anything in the premarket activity influence your trading at all, or do you place much value looking at the premarket?

我不看盘前数据。我的盘前数据是关闭的，只看正常交易时段。我首先关注的是昨日高点和低点。如果出现像我说过的从昨日高点暴跌的情况，我会考虑将其作为做空区域。但我不会看盘前数据。

I don't look at premarket. I have premarket turned off, so I only have regular trading hours on. The first thing I'll I'll pay attention is yesterday's high and yesterday's low. And if it's if it is, like I said, a violent drop from the yesterday's high, then I'll consider as a zone to go short. But I don't look at premarket.

不看。

No.

让我们回到礼物区域这个话题。你说大约一半情况下出现反转大象柱后会延续该方向，另一半情况下会出现回调至礼物区域，让你能获得更好的买入价格。当行情在形成大象柱后开始下跌回调时，你是如何判断的？是否有其他反转形态的K线让你确认不会持续下跌，而是在那一两分钟的时间框架内保持某种支撑水平？

Let's go back to the the gift zones. So you say about half the time when you get an elephant bar on a reversal, it'll continue on in that direction, and roughly the other half, it'll experience somewhat of a correction back into the gift zone, allowing you to get a better purchase price. How do you I mean, when it starts to fall after mix the elephant bar to correct back, is there a other bar, like a somewhat of a reversal to know that you look at so that it doesn't keep falling, that it maintains some level of support within that narrow within that minute or two minutes time frame?

假设你有一个大象柱（宽幅柱状图），五分钟内从高位回落到开盘价附近，对吧？嗯。实际上无法预知这是会继续下跌触发止损，还是会反转上涨。这非常随机。

There's there's no let's say you have a elephant bar, wide range bar off to five minute, and it's retracing back into the gift. Right? Mhmm. There's no way to really know that this is going to be the one that ends up dropping even lower and stops you out and continues down, or it's the one that goes higher. It's very random.

我唯一的参考标准是：理想情况下，柱体的大部分不应被吞没。比如你可以用80%作为阈值——当这根大柱体的80%被回吐时，基本可以判定其动能衰竭、行情终结。对吧？

The the only guideline that I do have is that, ideally, you don't want the majority of the bar to be removed. And so you could use, let's say, 80% of it. 80% of the the large bar. If 80% of it gets removed, you can assume that most of its power is not holding up and it's over. Right?

嗯。但对新手来说，我会把止损设在最低点，让他们积累'三振出局'的经验。长期观察显示，80%回撤通常意味着失败，但偶尔也会在触及低点后反转。所以原则是：只要不回撤超过80%，激进点可以设50%——不过我觉得那太冒险了。

Mhmm. But for the beginner, I just keep the stop at the very low, and you gain that experience of three and oh oh oh. So over time, it looks like at 80% of the the bar being removed, usually, fails. But there are times where it retraces near the lows and then finally turns around again. So the guideline is as long as it doesn't take out 80% of it, if you wanna be more aggressive, the halfway mark would be it, but I think that's too much.

在你多年的交易生涯中，无论是你自己的经历还是接触过的交易者，你是否观察到一些普遍存在的交易错误类型？

So in the years you've been trading, and I don't know how many other traders you have met or or talked to, but is there have you witnessed, the common types of mistakes that traders make both for yourself and other people that you've, you know

是的。我首先想到最常见的错误就是从 scalp 交易（剥头皮）起步。追求高胜率是个重大误区——这需要极高的技巧和严格的风险管理才能持续盈利。就我所知...

Yeah. I think, off the top of my head, I think one of the most common mistakes is starting off with scalping. I think that's that's a big mistake, attempting to have a high win rate. I think that's a big mistake because it just it takes so much skill to maintain such a high level of accuracy with good risk management to to stay profitable. I personally don't know anyone.

好吧，这话不完全对。我的导师们确实能做到（笑）。但他们都有四五十年交易经验。除此之外，和我同期交易六到十年的人里...

Well, that's a lie. Of of course, my mentors. You know? But they've been trading for four, five decades. So but other than that, people have been trading for about my time, six, ten years.

我没见过谁能靠高频 scalp 交易维生。大多数人胜率40%左右，通过3:1或4:1的盈亏比获利。新手从 scalp 起步是大忌——长期来看他们学不会持仓盈利，总是过早平仓，又因人性本能死扛亏损，结果适得其反。

I don't know anyone that has such a high win rate and is scalping for a living. Most of them are doing 40%, and they have three to one, four to one risk rewards, and and they're doing well. So starting off with scalping, I think that's a big mistake because in the long run for the beginner, they never learn to hold onto a winner. They cut their winner so so quickly. And just from pure human nature, they they hold the losers, and the opposite happens.

对吧？所以盈利者会迅速止损而让利润奔跑，而亏损的交易者则过早止盈又过久持有亏损头寸。完全是反着来的，真有意思。

Right? So the profitable guy, he's cutting the loser quickly and holding on to the big winner. The not profitable guy and the losing trader, he's, of course, taking it too early and holding it too long, the loser. So it's literally the opposite. Very funny.

是啊，作为新手我们总是把事情搞反。

Yeah. It's as beginners, we do the we do things backwards.

那么，既然你做短线交易，对你来说延长盈利持仓的指标是什么？有没有遇到过当天行情特别好，让你决定隔夜持仓的情况？

So Right. Right. So what are the indicators for you, given that you're trading in in a short time frame, to hold on to your winners longer. And do you ever come across situations where things are going so good during the day that you decide to hold it overnight?

我从不隔夜持仓。嗯。我总会在开盘第一小时内平仓。但让我持续持仓的唯一标准就是看到那些强势K线不断延续。

I've never held no. I don't hold trades overnight. Mhmm. I'm always out of the trades before the hour ends, the first hour. But what what keeps me holding a trade is is just seeing those violent bars continue and continue and continue.

比如说我正在看2分钟图表。

So let's say I'm looking at the two minute chart.

嗯。

Mhmm.

如果出现连续的中到大阳线，我会用移动平均线或逐根K线底部设置止损位，直到被扫出。不过通常我很快就能达到2:1盈亏比。嗯。由于我的止损很小，从进场点算2:1目标位其实很近。所以我喜欢看到行情朝我方向暴力突破。

If there's just consecutive medium to large sized bars, just nonstop, I'll just trail my stop at a decent distance using perhaps a moving average or a bar by bar under every bar until I get trailed out. But, usually, I'm I'm able to achieve a two to one almost right off the bat. So Mhmm. From my entry, two to one is relatively close because my stops are pretty small. So I I'd like to see the trade pop violently in my direction.

当盈亏比达到2:1时，我会进行第一次获利了结，然后继续追踪止损。

By the time I hit two to one, I'll get my first profit take and continue to trail out.

在你某个视频中，你提到过'好的交易经验'和'坏的交易经验'，它们具体指什么？

In the in one of your videos, you mentioned about, good experience and bad experience trades. What are they?

就像我多年前——2020年那会儿——总在支撑位做空、阻力位做多，还坚信这是正确操作。很多人深信通过这些...这些...这些操作就能积累好的经验。但大多数时候，他们只是在制造大量坏经验，这些坏经验会让你在交易道路上倒退而非进步。我见过不少交易了十五二十年的老手，恕我直言——他们水平真的很糟糕。

So like like a like I was doing, many years ago back in 2020, shorting at support and buying into resistance, and believing that you're doing the right thing. A lot of people are very convinced that by using this, this, this, this, this, this, they're generating good experience. And most of the time, they're creating a lot of bad experience that it it makes you go backwards in your journey rather than forwards. And I've met a lot of dudes that have been trading fifteen, twenty years. And not to be rude, but they're very bad.

这些人完全是在倒退，只因他们固守那些错误的交易信念。就像我以前总在支撑位买入、频繁 scalp 交易、追求90%胜率、死扛亏损单还坚信会反弹——甚至持仓数日乃至数月。这些行为根本不会带来好的交易经验。

They're they've gone completely backwards just because of the false beliefs that they have generated. Like myself buying into support, scalping, trying to achieve 90% win rates, holding on to losers and believing that it's going to bounce while holding it for days or even months. And these are not things that generate good experience.

要是他们反驳说'只要交易最终盈利，不就是好的经验吗？' 我是说，理论上所有交易都可能成为好经验啊？毕竟每笔交易无论盈亏都能学到东西。

What if they come back and say, but these trades are as long as it's profitable, isn't that a good experience trade? I mean, aren't all trades potentially good experience trades because you're learning something from each trade, whether you're making money or losing money.

没错，确实如此。只要你能剖析亏损原因并理解为何失败，每次亏损都可以成为好经验。但如果你不去分析总结，还傲慢地自我安慰'没关系...没关系...'

Right? Everything yeah. Every loss can be a good experience as long as you break down the loss and you understand why you lost. But if you don't break it down and analyze it and stay arrogant and and tell yourself that it's fine. It's fine.

觉得无所谓，然后继续那些坏习惯...我不知道这话出处，但有人说过：疯狂的定义就是重复相同行为却期待不同结果。这就是多年前的我——用同样方式亏损，却期待不同结果，自以为在进步，实际在不断倒退。

It doesn't matter. And continue to do those same bad habits. I don't know where the saying comes from, but I think someone says the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Right. So that was me many years ago, losing in the same way, expecting a different result, thinking that I'm getting better, but I was going backwards.

什么是陷阱区域，我们如何在这个陷阱区域进行一些有利的交易？

What is a trap zone, and what can we make some good trades in this in this trap zone?

是的。根据Velez教我的，陷阱区域就是被困在一个主要高点和主要低点之间。嗯。在这种情况下，陷阱区域的定义通常是使用昨天最后45分钟的数据，但陷阱区域实际上可以出现在任何时间、任何地点。所以如果你在一个区间内盘整，无论是窄幅还是中等幅度的区间，那都可能是一个陷阱区域。

Yeah. The trap zone, as I was taught by Velez, is just being stuck between a major high and major low. Mhmm. And in this case, with the definition of the trap zone, it's usually using yesterday's last forty five minutes of data, but the trap zone really can be at any time, anywhere. So if you're consolidating in a range, in a tight range or medium sized range, that could be a trap zone.

通常你不会想在盘整或区间震荡的市场中进行交易，嗯。因为你会被套牢。当然，如果你技术很好，那你可以交易这个区间。对吧？嗯。

So you usually don't wanna be trading inside of a consolidation or ranging Mhmm. Market because you're gonna get smoked. Now Now if you're very good, then you can trade the range. Right? Mhmm.

不过，是的，通常你会想尽量避开这种情况。我个人更喜欢区间市场，明显是大区间，因为我想把握支撑和阻力。但在较小的时间框架上，比如两分钟图，你不会想在窄幅区间内交易。这不是个好主意。

But, yeah, usually, you wanna try to stay away from that. I personally prefer ranging markets. Obviously, big ranges because I wanna be, you know, of support and resistance. But on a smaller time frame, of course, you know, on a two minute, you don't wanna be trading inside of a tight range. That's not a good idea.

那么和我们分享一下，这些年你的交易表现如何，或者说这些年它是如何演变和波动的？

So share with us a little bit how has your trading performance been over the years, or how how has it kind of evolved and fluctuated over the years?

2022年非常棒。2023年甚至更好。2024年是我最好的一年。2025年今年起步较慢，但你知道，我仍然觉得自己是这个行业的新手，还有很多要学习。

Yeah. Twenty twenty twenty two was fantastic. 2023 was was even better. 2024 was my best year. 2025 this year has been slow, but, you know, I I still think I'm a I'm a baby in the industry, so a lot to learn.

但总体来说，这是一条上升线。对吧？是指数级的上升，所以很好。每个月都很艰难。每个月、每周都充满挑战。

But it's it's over overall, it's been a lineup. Right? It's exponential lineup, so it's good. Every month is very difficult. Every month, every week is very challenging.

所以需要更多的经验。我每天都有新手导师，但这些家伙已经交易了三十年、四十年，甚至像上一位那样五十年。当然，他们每年只有两三天亏损，但我的意思是，这些人技艺超群，简直难以置信。

So a lot more experience is needed. I have mentors that are green every single day, but these guys have been trading thirty, forty, or even fifty years like the last. So, of course, sure, they have two or three red days per year, but, I mean, these guys are incredibly, incredibly skilled.

你在亚洲哪里住了好几年了？

And you've been living whereabouts in Asia for for some years now?

是的。我在巴厘岛住过一段时间，还在越南北部的芽庄市住过，现在我在越南南部一个叫富国岛的小岛上住了挺长时间。那里非常美丽，你一定要查查。真的非常非常美。

Yeah. I lived in Bali for for a while, and I lived in the North Of Vietnam on a city called Nha Trang, and I've been living in a small island in the South Of Vietnam for for quite a while now called Phu Quoc. So it's a it's a very beautiful island. It's definitely you gotta look it up. Very, very, very beautiful.

我认为那里有世界上最美的海滩之一。

I think it has some of the most beautiful beaches in the world.

哇，太棒了。听起来你过着理想的生活。

Wow. Fantastic. Sounds like you're living the life.

是啊，挺好的。

Yeah. It's it's nice.

嗯。我想回到你提到的那些和你交易风格相似的人身上，他们绝大多数时间都在盈利，全年只有零星几天亏损。你觉得他们在本质上做对了什么？是什么让他们比遵循相同系统的普通交易者更赚钱？我们该怎么做才能达到他们的经验和业绩水平？

Yeah. I wanted to go back to you mentioned that some of these guys that you know trading in a similar style that you do are green overwhelming majority of the time, except for a few days here and there throughout the year. What what do you think they do differently, qualitatively? What what makes them super profitable much more than, say, the average trader who follows their same system? Like, what could we do different to get their to their level of experience, to their level of performance?

我认为关键在于心理素质。心理素质，那种将风险控制得如此出色的能力。他们非常擅长将亏损控制在极小范围内。这令人印象深刻。同时我也认为账户规模确实很重要。

I would say that it's the psychology. The psychology, the ability to to reduce risk so so incredibly well. They're they're they're very, very good at losing very small amounts. That's very impressive. And I also think that the the size of your account does matter.

我认为，特别是根据你的交易风格，有些交易者能够通过金字塔加仓策略，从不利交易中脱身并反败为胜。当然资金越多，你就能进行更多金字塔加仓和止损操作，从而摆脱亏损头寸。但这同样需要极高的技巧。归根结底还是心理素质问题，他们具备惊人的亏损承受能力和卓越的风险管理能力——他们是优秀的'输家'。

I think, especially depending on the style that you have, there are traders that are able to to pyramid into trades and get themselves out of a nasty trade and turn it into a winner. And, of course, the more money you have, the more you can pyramid and and damage control and and get out of a a losing position. But, of course, that also takes an incredible amount of skill. But, yeah, I I think it really comes down to to psychology, an amazing ability to to lose well, incredible risk management. They're great losers.

我想这就是关键所在。

That's that's I think that's what it is.

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嗯哼。这些年你在亚洲期间，有没有分享过对交易的热情？或是成功指导过其他人进行交易？

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Have you shared your passion of trading or been able to teach anyone else to trade during these years in Asia?

遇到泰莎时——不记得具体什么时候了，大概是三年前吧？差不多那时候。我确实指导过一些人，他们至今仍跟随我学习。

With Tessa, when I met her, I don't know when we met. I think it was three years ago. Was it three years ago? Something like that. I was able to to teach some people that are still with me today.

他们是我最亲密的朋友，所以我经常和他们交流。有时我们还会一起交易，他们是很棒的朋友。我们大多数人采用相同的交易方法，效果一直很好。我爱这些家伙，他们是我的朋友。

They're my some of my closest friends, so I talk with them pretty pretty regularly. And sometimes we trade together, so they're great friends. And most of us do trade the same approach, and it it's it's been good. I love those guys. They're my friends.

在这个行业里有时很难交到朋友。嗯。嗯。

The it's hard to make friends in this industry sometimes. Mhmm. Mhmm.

那么总结一下，作为交易员，你最大的困扰是什么？

So to wrap things up, what do you struggle with most as a trader?

对我来说最明显的就是亏损。我不喜欢亏损。嗯。我之前在网球领域有过非常成功的职业生涯，习惯了总是赢。但每天都要面对亏损，有时甚至连续十笔交易都亏损，这确实是个挑战。

I think for me is is is obviously the losing. I I don't like losing. Mhmm. I come from a from a very successful career, I guess, in tennis, where I was very accustomed to always winning. But it it's a everyday struggle to be okay with losing going on sometimes ten ten trade losing streaks.

这种情况确实会发生，对吧？但坚持方法、坚持策略，熬过那些艰难时期，这就是数学概率的一部分。对吧？嗯。

That can happen. Right? But staying staying with the method, staying with the approach, sticking through those those tough times, It's it's just part of the math. Right? Mhmm.

嗯。

Mhmm.

那么你现在是否对自己的交易流程和生活状态感到满意？接下来还有什么期待的事情吗？

So are you do you feel that you're now at a place where you're comfortable with your process, kind of your life? Is there anything that you're looking forward to next?

我今天的重点显然是大量交易和投资。我把所有赚到的钱都用于投资，享受生活，享受乐趣，不过分关注金钱。是的，这样很好。很棒。一切都很顺利。

My my main focus today is obviously trading and investing a lot. Everything that I make, I try to invest it all and enjoy my life, have fun, not focus too much on money. So, yeah, it's good. Great. Things are good.

太棒了，迭戈。迭戈，感谢你参加《与交易者对话》节目。

Fantastic. Diego. Diego, thanks for coming on chat with traders.

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

哦，大家好。感谢你们坚持到最后，希望你们喜欢伊恩与迭戈的对话。如果你们还有几分钟时间，欢迎继续收听我与迭戈的简短对话。保重。关于网球，你现在还会打网球消遣吗？

Oh, hi there. Thanks for sticking through the end, and I hope you enjoyed Ian's chat with Diego. So if you have a few more minutes, feel free to stay on for my brief chat with Diego. Take care. So regarding tennis, do you still play tennis for fun?

或者

Or

是的。我找到了一家高尔夫俱乐部。他们管那叫什么来着？乡村俱乐部。离这儿海滩大约五分钟路程就有一家乡村俱乐部。

Yeah. I found a golf club. There's a what do they call it? Country club. There's a country club, like, five minutes away from here by the beach.

那就像个大型度假村，里面有网球场、匹克球场、高尔夫球场。我们经常去那儿——我和我女朋友。对，我尽量每天都去海滩，因为你知道，一旦习惯了就可能不再去了。但我们尽可能每隔一天就去一次。

It's like a big resort, and they have tennis courts, pickleball courts, golf. We we go there. Me and my girl go there pretty often. Yeah. I'm trying to go to the beach every day because, you know, you get used to it so you stop going, But we're going there as often as we can every other day.

是的。

Yeah.

有时候我们会偷懒，不过，没错，还是在打网球。

Some days we have lazy days, but, yeah, still playing.

这太棒了。你能一直保持着对网球的热情——你最初的激情所在，真的很棒。正因为你有网球背景，还说过你教过网球，我觉得这在你讲解交易方式时体现得特别明显。特别是当我加入你的私人交易小组时。

That's great. It's great that you're still somehow involved in in your passion of tennis, your your very first passion, right? Tennis. Because of your tennis background and you said that you taught tennis, I feel like it's really reflected in your explanations, you know, on the way you trade. Especially I was part of your, you know, private group, your trading group.

我记得你在图表上讲解的方式，以及你基于Oliver Viles方法的交易思路，对我来说特别清晰。其中我每天交易都会用到的一个概念就是陷阱区域，我应该跟你提过这个——我发誓我每天都在用。

And I just remember just the way that you explain things on the chart and kind of your approach based on Oliver Viles' methods. It was just so clear to me. And one of the the things I remember that I use every day in my trading is the trap zone. I think I mentioned that to you. I I swear I use that.

这对我帮助太大了。光是这一个概念，我就能记住并每天运用，要么避开陷阱，要么进入时格外谨慎。这是我每天都用到的技巧，所以特别感谢你和我分享这个。

That is so helpful for me. Just that one thing I can remember and I can use every day to either stay out of it or if I go in it, be really, really cautious. But that is something I use every day. So I just wanna thank you for for sharing that with me.

是啊。

Yeah.

还有你提到的一个特别有意思的事：自从开始交易以来，你从没错过市场开盘时的交易机会。

And also, there's something that you said that really was really interesting. You never missed an open at the market open since you started trading.

是的，我从未错过开盘。

Yeah. I've never missed an open.

你是怎么做到的？

How do you do that?

我认为交易始终是我的首要任务。尽管这是最令人沮丧和困难的活动之一，但它也是我最终的激情所在，回报丰厚。我非常热爱它。我不想错过任何开盘。我觉得错过开盘就像...尤其是我现在没有工作。

I think I've made trading always my priority. It's it's been my ultimate passion even though I think it's one of the most frustrating and difficult activities, but also very rewarding. I love it a lot. I don't wanna miss any open. I feel like missing an open is, especially since I don't have a a job.

对吧？我没有其他事情可做。所以没有理由睡懒觉或者在外面做不该做的事。我必须准时参加开盘。是的。

Right? I don't have anything else to do. So there's no excuse for sleeping in or, you know, being out doing something that I shouldn't be doing. Like, I need to be there for the open. Yeah.

特别是因为有一天，我希望能够说自己是个真正的专业人士。所以我应该尽可能全身心投入。可以说我现在还处于大学阶段，大学后期阶段。

Especially because one day, I wanna be able to say, like, I'm a true professional. And so I I should dedicate myself as much as I can. It's I would say I'm still in my university years, late university years.

我觉得你已经是个专业人士了（笑），但你太谦虚了。这种谦逊真的...我认为正是这种品质让你走到今天。他提到我记得你跟我说过，你还教会了你女朋友交易。是真的吗？

I feel like you're a professional already giggle, but you're so humble. And it's a humility that really is, you know, is is what brought you here, I think. So he mentioned I remember you talking to me, and you taught your girlfriend how to trade as well. Is that true?

是的。是的。是的。是的。她现在几乎每天都还在交易。

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She she still trades almost every day.

她培养了许多其他爱好。她热爱烹饪、烘焙，喜欢做衣服和玩陶艺。只要我能资助她所有的爱好，让她开心充实，我就心满意足了。

She's picked up other hobbies. So she she loves cooking. She loves baking. She loves making dresses and working with clay. So as as long as I can fund all her hobbies and she's happy and entertained, I'm happy.

如果她想交易，就让她交易；如果她想做任何事，我都会在她身边支持她。不过现在她只是偶尔交易当作消遣。

If she wants to trade, she can trade. If she wants to do whatever she wants to do, You know, I'll be there for her and to support her. But, yeah, every now and then she's trading for fun.

太棒了，感觉你们就像最佳拍档一样。

That's amazing. Like it's like you guys are partners in crime

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

交易啊，真了不起。我觉得她还有其他爱好特别好，说实话，如果我只做交易这一件事，我觉得我会受不了的。确实需要些别的事情调剂。

Trading. That's amazing. And I think it's great that, you know, she has other hobbies too because honestly, if I were to just trade and that's the only thing I did, I I don't think I can handle it. It's It's it's yeah. I gotta have other things.

是啊。让我想想，还有个特别的——用13英寸笔记本屏幕交易。这真的很独特，我们节目从没来过用单台小笔记本交易的嘉宾。

Yeah. Let's see. There's one okay. Trading from a 13 inches laptop screen. That's another very unique we've never, like, I've never had a guest on the show that trades from a laptop, one laptop, small laptop.

这是由你的生活方式决定的，还是出于便利性或简洁性考虑？什么？为什么会这样？

Is that driven by just the lifestyle that you have or convenience or or simplicity? What? Why is that?

嗯，我最初是用四台显示器进行交易的。一台笔记本加两块超宽屏，这样总共四台。这套配置很荒谬，但我亏钱都亏得很酷。后来我终于学会了Oliver Velez的方法。

It's well, I I first started off trading off of four monitors. So I had the laptop and then two ultrawide monitors. So I think that's four. So it was it was a ridiculous setup, but I was losing money in a cool way. And and then eventually, I learned Oliver Velez's approach.

我发现方法其实非常简单，只需要盯着一块屏幕一个时间框架。所以我只需要笔记本就够了，而且我经常旅行，每年都要飞好多次。我把方法精简到只需一块屏幕就能操作。如果是波段交易（非日内交易），理论上用手机都能操作。

I realized that it was so simple that I really only needed to look at one screen, one time frame. So my laptop was all I needed, and I travel a lot. I travel quite a few times per year. So I've I've refined my approach to be simple enough that I only need one screen, and that's it. If I could trade off my phone, obviously, if if it was swing trading, not day trading.

日内交易的话，我绝对需要快捷键来保证速度。不过用手机分析图表完全没问题，毕竟看图表不需要太多条件。当然交易时快捷键还是必须的。

Day trading, I I definitely need my my, hot keys to be quick. Mhmm. But I can analyze any chart off of a a phone. I mean, you don't need much for reading a chart. Of course, trading, you definitely need your your hot keys.

对吧？

Right?

没错。要快。13英寸。对。嗯。

Yeah. To be quick. 13 inches. Yeah. Yep.

最后一个问题。你提到的社群观点很重要，当初我们开放交易者聊天社群时，我就是通过社群认识你的。你能加入我们社群真是太好了，感觉你分享了很多经验给其他成员。就像你说的，有些友谊延续至今。这特别重要，因为交易本质上是孤独的。

Final question. Well, you mentioned something I think is really important about community that, you know, when when we had the chat with traders community open at the time, and that's how I met you actually is through the community. I'm just so glad that you came into our community because I feel like you shared so much, you know, with other community members. And like you said, you became friends with some of them even to this day. And that is just so important because trading is just by nay by its nature is just so lonely.

对吧？

Right?

是啊，是啊，是啊。我们一直都保持着联系。真的很感谢你们创建了这个社群。

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're all still keeping in touch. I'm so grateful that you guys made that community.

至少对我来说，那确实改变了我的人生。结识了好友，收获了美好经历，这样的社群真的很难得。就像我说的，在这里交朋友不容易。所以希望有一天你们能再办一次，因为在这儿交朋友真的很难。

It was a it was a life changing at least for me. Good friends, good experiences, and it's hard to find communities like that. Like I said, it's hard to make friends. So, hopefully, one day you guys make another one because making friends is hard here.

嗯，虽然不能保证，但未来确实有可能重新开放社群。真的很高兴你还和我们保持联系，Diego。也感谢你参加这次节目。

Yeah. Well, no promises, but, yeah, that's always a possibility that in the future we could reopen the community. Yeah. Just so glad that you're still in touch with us, Diego. And, yeah, thanks for coming on the show.

非常感谢，我真的很感激。

Thank you so much. I really do appreciate it.

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