比莉·艾利什回归

说这是有生以来最棒的一天，那说明你的人生也太惨了吧。

The best day ever means you've had a tragic life.

都是因为杰夫和我最爱的日子。

By Jeff and favorite days.

我真是太喜欢了。

I loved it so much.

菲尼亞斯特别沮丧。

Finneas was so upset.

昨天我们在录音室，他看到了我的日程，就问我：‘你明天上康纳秀吗？’

Yesterday, we were in the studio, and he he he had seen my calendar, and he was like, are you doing Conan tomorrow?

我就说：‘是啊。’

And I was like, yeah.

他真的特别不高兴。

He he was really upset.

他说：‘我知道这事儿跟电影没关系，但求你了，行不行？’

He was like, can I I know I don't have anything to do with the movie, but please, you know?

总之，他后来

Anyway, so he

他真的很想念。

he really misses.

记得吗？有点尴尬，上一次快结束的时候，我说过，比莉，你随时都可以回来。

Remember this a little awkward, but I last time, towards the end of the podcast, I said, Billie, you're welcome back anytime.

然后，不知怎么的，我转头看向菲尼亚斯。

And then I I don't know what got into it, I turned to Phineas.

你还记得这事吗？

Do remember this?

记得。

Yes.

我就说，你再也不准来了。

And I was like, you shall never be here again.

那场面挺怪的。

It was weird.

这太奇怪了，根本没必要这样。

It was very weird and uncalled for.

根本没必要。

Uncalled for.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

根本没必要。

Uncalled for.

不是的。

No.

我很喜欢菲尼亚斯。

I love Phineas.

他随时都可以来。

He's welcome here anytime.

但我真的特别高兴你今天来了。

But I'm so thrilled that you were here today.

我也是。

Me too.

我第一反应就是，可能上次也提过，我觉得这位女士的眼睛有种魔力。

The first thing that comes to my mind, I might have mentioned this last time, I think this woman has magical eyes.

你看看她那双眼睛。

Look at those eyes there.

我的意思是，这种话你肯定经常听到，但你说的是什么意思？

I mean, you must get this all the time, but What do you mean?

不是。

No.

我是说，你的眼睛真的特别美，莉亚。

But I'm saying, like, your her her eyes are stunning, Leah.

但确实如此。

But also Yeah.

你这双眼睛，好像能看穿到另一个世界似的。

It looks like you can look into other worlds with those eyes.

我没有那样的眼睛。

I don't have eyes like that.

我这眼睛吧，总显得有点多疑，还有点吓人。

I have, like, suspicious, creepy eyes.

你这双眼睛才是艺术家的眼睛，一看就能看到全新的世界。

You have, like, artist eyes that look out and see new worlds.

然后我就跟你说：嗨，比莉。

And then I'm like, hi, Billie.

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

咕噜，戒指，戒指在压迫着。

Gollum, the ring, the ring presses.

你那儿，明明有那么多对吧？

And you're just there's so much right?

我错了吗？

Am I wrong?

对。

Yeah.

不是这样的。

I've no.

你说得对。

You're right.

都是蓝色的。

They're both blue.

你两只眼睛都是蓝色的。

Both your eyes are blue.

没错。

Yep.

但你说得对。

But you're right.

他们在这方面更厉害。

They are they're they're better on it.

他们的眼睛更好。

They're better eyes.

是的。

Yeah.

说吧。

Say it.

没关系。

It's okay.

不过，康纳，你的眼睛也很美。

You have beautiful eyes too, though, Conan.

不是。

No.

不是。

No.

不。

No.

谢谢你的夸奖。

Thank you for the compliment.

这既暖心又有点荒唐。

That's so sweet and ridiculous.

好。

Okay.

我今天在想一件事。

Here's what I was thinking about today.

行吧？

Alright?

我正在想这个。

This is what I'm thinking about.

你听好了，我先让你尴尬一下，但这个数据简直惊人。

You know, just I'm gonna embarrass you for a second, but the statistics are insane.

44首热门百强单曲，10座格莱美奖，两座奥斯卡奖。

44 hot 100 hits, 10 Grammys, two Oscars.

今天我有种感觉，是时候退出了。

And I had this feeling today, it's time to get out.

去山谷开一家现代汽车经销商吧，叫‘比莉的现代’。

Get a Hyundai dealership in the valley, Billie's Hyundai's.

这名字

That's a

挺不错的车。

good car.

听着挺顺耳的。

A good ring to it.

现代汽车。

A Hyundai.

你知道

You know

它就是这么运作的。

what I It does.

对。

Yeah.

你听好了。

Now listen.

你的团队，你带了一大帮人来。

Your team, you came with a big team.

他们会生气的。

They're gonna be mad.

现在是该走了。

It's time to get out.

他们现在在试图开门吗？

They're trying to open the door now?

还有那个，嗯。

And the yeah.

我把门从里面锁死了，他们进不来。

I bolted the door so they can't get in.

他们正拼命砸门锁呢。

They're, like, smashing at the lock.

你好好想想这件事。

I just think just think about it.

好吧。

Okay.

你以前是做汽车销售的吧。

You were the car dealership.

我觉得你肯定能干得很出色。

I think you'd be you'd do great.

我真的很喜欢车。

I do love cars.

你为什么会想到这个？

I why did you think of that?

是什么让你

What what made you

想到这个的

think of

我觉得现代车挺靠谱的。

I think the Hyundai is a solid car.

但为什么呢？

But why?

我现在就想免费弄一辆现代车。

I'm just trying to get a free Hyundai now.

因为他们赞助我们的节目。

Because they sponsor on our show.

没错。

That's right.

他们赞助这个节目。

They sponsor on this.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, is that true?

是的。

Yeah.

我根本不知道这回事。

I don't even know that.

你老说Hyundai。

Say Hyundai so many times.

说多了就顺口了。

That turned into the way it rolls off the tongue.

Hyundai。

Hyundai.

天啊。

God.

等等。

Wait.

我在找那款现代车。

Hyundai, I'm looking for that car.

做这个播客的时候，你们得插播哪些广告啊？听众都听得到的那种。

What do you what are the, like, ads you have to do for this podcast when people listen?

刚开始的时候挺有意思的，广告都是那种……你们听听看。

They used to be when we started out, it was really fun because they were these and and listen.

我真的挺喜欢这些产品的。

I I love these products.

真的特别喜欢。

I really do.

但以前有个公司叫Fracture，他们就是这样的。

But it would be like a company a company there was a company called Fracture.

我相信现在应该还在。

I'm sure it still is.

比如说，你有一张和菲尼亚斯的合影，挺好看的。

And they would take let's say you had a nice picture of you and Phineas together.

你把照片寄给Fracture，他们会把它蚀刻在玻璃上，再寄回来给你。

You would take it to Fracture, and they would send it back to you, and it would be etched into glass.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我以前经常长跑，那天有人给我看了张照片，

I used to do these long runs where I would say, the other day, someone showed me

一张我奶奶的纸质照片，我就

a picture of my grandmother on paper, and I

把它撕了。

ripped it up.

因为如果不是刻在玻璃上的，

Because if it's not on glass,

我根本不想碰。

I want nothing to do with it.

你非得要

You have to have

Fracture的玻璃打印品。

fracture prints.

那就是早期的情况了。

So those are the early days.

后来播客火了，那些产品越来越难像以前那样玩得开心，除了Luxe智能马桶座圈。

Then when the podcast got big, suddenly, it's these products that are harder and harder to kind of have the same fun with except Luxe bidet.

天哪。

Oh god.

Luxe智能马桶座圈？那是什么东西？

Luxe bidet hell is that?

Luxe智能马桶座圈。

Luxe bidet.

就是一个智能马桶座圈。

It's a bidet.

马桶座圈？

Bidet?

是啊，没错。

And well Yeah.

我想你应该知道什么是坐浴盆。

I think you know what a bidet is.

对，没错。

Oh, yeah.

好吧。

Okay.

你见多识广。

You've been around.

对，没错。

Oh, yeah.

我特别喜欢用坐浴盆。

And Love me a good bidet.

他们写的广告词简直尴尬到家，比如吃完一顿丰盛的感恩节大餐之后，是吧。

They would write the most embarrassing copy, and it was stuff like, you know, after a big Thanksgiving meal Yeah.

这可能会造成不小的麻烦。

You can do some real damage.

总有人想误导你。

There's always to mislead you.

明白了。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

我之前根本不知道。

And I didn't know.

我是在不了解它是什么的情况下就开始看了。

I started to read it before I knew what it was.

所以这东西在网上能找得到。

So it's on the Internet.

它在哪儿？

Where is it?

这东西哪儿能看到？

Where can you see this at?

在YouTube上。

On YouTube.

你在YouTube上看到的时候，我都疯了。

You can see it on YouTube, and I lost my mind.

还有，他们为Luxe智能马桶座圈拍的广告特别有意思。

Also, second they did we we love the Luxe bidet people so much.

他们拍了一个假广告，开头假装是家卷饼公司的宣传。

They actually wrote an ad where it started with a fake ad for, like, a burrito company.

对。

Right.

然后突然

Then it

就变成了卷饼。

turns into burritos.

然后他惊呼：天哪。

And then he's like, oh my god.

这是Luxe智能马桶吗？

Is this a Luxe bidet?

不是。

No.

它其实是

It it

他们是在骗我。

was They were tricking me.

他们故意引我上钩。

They were baiting me.

真是没想到。

But Wow.

对。

Yes.

我为了努力搞砸过好多次，丢过不少脸。

I've humiliated myself many times with efforts.

但我们今天不是来聊豪华智能马桶的。

But we're not here to talk about the luxe bidet.

所以我很好奇，你们平时看哪些广告？

So I'm like, which ads do you guys?

我能就讲一件事吗？

How happy can I just say one thing?

广告到底让人多开心啊？

How happy is Are the ads.

豪华智能马桶和Fracture，就是这两个。

Luxe Bidet and Fracture right

现在。

now

全球顶级音乐明星来了，我们聊的全是他们的产品，却一分钱没挣？

that one of the biggest music stars in the world is here, and we're talking about their products and not getting paid?

我就想说一句。

I just wanted to say that.

我想先问问你家里的情况。

Well, I wanna start by asking about your family.

菲尼亚斯最近怎么样？

How is Phineas?

他最近还好吗？

How's doing?

他很好。

He's doing great.

明白了。

Okay.

他很好。

He's doing great.

他八月份要结婚了。

He's getting married in August.

好的。

Okay.

那我们喜欢这个人吗？

And do we do we like this person?

我们很喜欢她。

We love her.

好的。

Okay.

她叫克劳迪娅。

Her name is Claudia.

她人特别好。

She's wonderful.

他们在一起快七年了。

They've been together, like, seven years.

而且，真的特别棒。

And, yeah, it's fucking awesome.

我特别兴奋。

I'm very excited.

好的。

Okay.

你会参加这个活动吗？

Are you gonna participate in this festivity at all?

还是这是个秘密？

Or is that a secret?

你

You

可能确实是秘密，不过会参加。

can't It probably is a secret, but yes.

我特别兴奋。

I'm very excited.

哦，真棒。

Oh, cool.

不过，是这样的。

But, yeah.

他真的特别棒。

So he's he's really good.

我们目前正在制作一张专辑，这挺有意思的，因为上次我来这儿，差不多就是三年前，差不了几天。

We're like in the middle of making an album, which is interesting because the last time I came here the only time I came here was like three years ago, almost to the day.

对。

Yep.

那时候也正好在做专辑。

And it was also in the middle of an album process.

其实我昨天还在想这件事。

And it was actually I was thinking about this like yesterday.

我们来这儿的那天，正好就是录《Birds of a Feather》的日子。

It was the day that we made Birds of a Feather when we came here.

哦。

Oh.

那是在我们刚写完开头的第二天早上。

It was like the morning after we had written the beginning of it.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我记得我走进来，进了那个房间，你和我一直在聊天。

And I remember coming in here and going into that room, you and I were just in talking.

对。

Yep.

我记得看到一些团队成员，因为当时我整个团队都在这儿，他们特别兴奋，因为我即将在这儿工作，整个厂牌的人都来了。

And I remember, like, seeing some team members, because all of my team was here for that, because they were so excited that I was gonna be doing Everyone at my whole label came.

我记得走进去的时候心想，我们这次真录出了一首很棒的歌。

And I remember walking in there and going like, I think we made a really cool song.

歌名叫《Birds of a Feather》。

It's called Birds of a Feather.

我记得当时放给他们听。

And I remember playing it for them.

话虽如此，这其实也没那么有趣。

So with that being said, that's really isn't fun.

我能说一句吗？

Can I say

一件事。

one thing?

我记得是这样的。

This is how I remember it.

我们真的就直接去把它做完了。

We actually literally left to go finish it.

总之。

Anyway.

我对这件事的记忆就是这样。

This is how I remember that.

好的。

Okay.

你进来的时候，和芬尼斯在一起。

You came in, and you were there with Finneas.

我就说，你们俩关系真好。

And I said, you guys seem to be really tight.

你回答说，确实特别亲密。

And you went, we are really tight.

我说，你们简直像一对知音。

And I said, it's almost like you're birds of a feather.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我早就觉得了。

I knew

我记得特别清楚。

And this is what I recall very distinctly.

比莉，你说过‘物以类聚’这句话。

Billie, you said birds of a feather.

嘿，那里有点东西。

Hey, there's something there.

我就说，嗯，可能是A小调。

And I said, yeah, maybe an a minor.

你还记得吗？

Remember this?

然后你说，这主意不错。

And then you said, great idea.

而且你

And you

说，咱们把版税平分吧。

said, let's split the royalties.

我就

And I

说，行。

said, okay.

咱们聊聊吧。

Let's talk.

结果那事儿根本没成。

And then it never happened.

我可不觉得咱俩是一类人。

I ain't real birds of a feather.

这借口找得不错。

Nice try there.

不过呢，事情就是这样。

Anyway, that's how

我记得的就是这样。

I remember it.

你看那头发。

Look at that hair.

你看那

Look at that

毛茸茸的头发。

fluffy hair.

到处都是。

Is everywhere.

你知道这是怎么回事吗？

And you know what it is?

是我留下的。

I left it.

你是不是吹了

Did you blow

你有没有对它吹过什么？

did you blow it anything.

这叫不行。

This is called no.

我，是的。

I yeah.

我今天去了一家干洗发廊，把头发吹了造型，因为我要去参加毕业舞会。

I went to a dry bar today and got my hair blown out because I'm going to prom.

没有。

No.

我本来留着头发去参加奥斯卡颁奖礼，之后就一直没剪。

I I let it get a little long to the Oscars, and then I haven't cut it.

那已经是两个半月前的事了。

And that was, like, two and a half weeks ago.

头发长到某个程度就刚好，可要是再长一厘米，立马就变丑了。

And so what happens is it gets to this point where it's perfect, and then it if it goes, like, a centimeter more, it goes.

对。

Mhmm.

这太无趣了。

And that's boring.

但你是自己弄的吗？

But did you do it yourself?

我什么都没做。

I didn't do anything.

这就是我本来的样子。

It's just this is me.

真的吗？

No way.

这是你天生的头发？

This is your natural hair?

是的。

Yeah.

我的头发现在没法像以前那样做出那种我所谓的酷酷的波浪了。

I I mean, I didn't I didn't it won't play the same way it usually does where I can get my cool, I call it cool, wave in it.

现在它太长了，完全就是一团乱糟糟的垂下来。

Now it won't do that because it's too long, and it's just a big floppy mess.

也不是像稻草堆那样。

It's not like a haystack.

不是。

No.

看起来太棒了。

It looks wonderful.

好吧。

Alright.

那我就继续留着这个发型了。

Well, I'm gonna stick with this now.

行。

Okay.

不过我还记得一件事。

But I here's what I also remember.

我记得你父母当时在这儿。

I remember your parents were here.

对。

Mhmm.

所有人都来了。

There was everyone came.

现场气氛特别好。

There was such a good vibe.

我和你父母聊了好一会儿，感觉特别温暖，觉得这才是真正的家庭。

And I was talking to your parents for a while, and I felt so good because I thought this is a real family.

这可不行。

Like, this is not okay.

咱们假装是个真正的家庭吧，好歹把这期播客撑过去。

Let's pretend to be a real family so we can make it through this podcast.

你们在这儿待了挺久的。

You guys were here for quite a while.

就是不走。

You wouldn't leave.

对。

Nope.

我不记得了。

I don't remember.

是的。

Yeah.

我是说，整整一个小时后，我觉得你们还在厨房里闲逛。

And, I mean, really, for, an hour late hour later, I think you guys were still hanging out in the kitchen.

真的特别开心。

It was really fun.

对。

Yeah.

那真是件让人高兴的事。

It was an it was a happy thing.

我跟你说啊。

I'm telling you.

但你爸妈特别随和，完全没受这些事影响，这点真的很棒。

But your parents were very cool and kind of, in a great way, unaffected by it all.

看起来，这些人只是希望孩子开心。

Like, seemed like, these are people that just want their kids to be happy.

是的。

Yeah.

后来我看到你之前接受的一个采访，你说过，每次一起开车出门，全家都会唱歌。

Then I find out, I was reading some interview you did somewhere where you said, oh, when we drive places together, we all sing songs.

你还说我们就是这样。

You said we're yeah.

就像上世纪五十年代那种老电影里，特别土气但温馨的一家人。

Like like a like a family from, like, the nineteen fifties in a or in a in, like, a corny movie.

是的。

Yeah.

真有这回事吗？

Is that true?

小时候确实如此。

It it it was true growing up.

我可能是用过去时说的，就是我们小时候那样。

I probably said it, like, in a past tense, you know, like we did growing up.

我们现在通常不会一起坐在车里唱歌，

We're not usually all in a car together singing, like,

你指的是那个画面吧。

to this that image.

到了你这个阶段，你们俩可能会说，嗯

They That's an insane this point in your career, you two will be like, well

不会。

No.

你和你爸妈还有你弟弟会一起上车，我想象的是辆七十年代末的旅行车。

You and your folks and your brother will get into a car together, and I'm thinking a station wagon from the late seventies.

是的。

Yeah.

不会。

No.

这让我们听起来简直像在咆哮。

That's that really makes us sound Roar.

咆哮。

Roar.

你撞上了。

You bumped it.

是的。

Yeah.

真的撞上了。

Literally.

但没错。

But yes.

你知道吗？

And you know what?

抱歉。

Sorry.

裂了

Cracked

而且暗淡无光。

and dull.

抱歉。

Sorry.

我把自己逗笑了，这意味着总有人在笑。

I cracked myself up, and that means someone's always laughing.

是的。

Yeah.

你以前有没有做过这种事？

Was there a time when you would do that?

因为我的

Because my

家人从来不会这样。

family never did that ever.

那时候根本没人开心地唱歌。

There was no joyous singing.

那有没有什么让人开心的事呢？

Was there joyous anything?

我们就是喜欢围着火腿，一边嚼一边闹腾。

We love to be around a ham chewing it.

嚼？

Chewing it?

你们也喜欢直接吞下去吗？

We like like Swallowing it too?

或者就是嚼一嚼，然后像鸟一样吐出来。

Or Like, just chewing it and spitting it out like birds.

就像挂在那儿，比如说，

Was hanging off of, like,

一条小溪边。

a stream.

我们每个人都不一样，你们呢，全坐在一张圆桌旁，每人面前都挂着一只火腿。

We all had a different And you guys just all We sat at a round table, and each one, there was a ham.

六个孩子，六根绳子，每根绳子上挂着一只火腿。

There were six hams on six ropes for each kid.

我们就这么开始吃了。

And we would just go.

不过，当时笑声可不少。

But, no, there was a lot of laughter.

是的。

Yeah.

但就是没人唱歌，也没人和声，什么都没有。

But there was no, you know, singing along or doing harmonies or anything.

你根本想象不到我爸那时候的样子。

You can't imagine my dad there.

想象一下你爸那样。

Imagine your dad.

我们那时候并不是

We weren't

完全同步的。

fall aligned.

更像是开车时一起听歌，大家都跟着唱。

It was more it was more like listening to music in the car and all of us singing along.

对。

Okay.

就是那种感觉。

More like that.

我之所以这么说，可能是因为我小时候的朋友总说，跟我们家待在一起特别奇妙，因为我们全家随时随地都在唱歌。

And and the only the only reason I probably said it like that is because my childhood friend used to comment on, like, how kind of, like, surreal it was to be around our family because we were all singing all the time.

没错。

Right.

整天唱歌、和声，不停地听音乐，弹吉他、弹钢琴，所以没错，音乐从来就没停过。

Like, singing and, like, harmonizing with each other and listening to music constantly, playing music, playing guitar and piano, and, so, yes, music was always being played.

但我们从小长大的家庭，真的是最有音乐氛围的。

But we grew up in the most musical family ever.

我觉得，要是跟别人一起唱歌，你得放得开才行。

Well, I think you have to be vulnerable if you're gonna sing with other people.

但我觉得我们家根本没那么放得开。

And I don't think in our family, we were Vulnerable.

我们不可能让自己这么敞开心扉。

Would have let ourselves be that vulnerable.

我可不是在开玩笑。

I'm not even kidding.

我觉得吧，爱尔兰人嘛，平时都特别防备，靠讲笑话来活跃气氛，大家都笑哈哈的。

I think it was all about, I guess, Irish people, they're being, like, super well defended and then making jokes and everyone laughs.

可要是谁真开嗓唱歌，我们其他人准得拿东西扔他。

But if someone was to start singing, the rest of us would have started throwing things at them.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

所以也许我其实很想和爸妈还有兄弟们一起唱‘啦啦啦’，想想还挺搞笑的。

So maybe I wanted to be fa la la line with my parents and my You brothers and know, it's funny.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我会用自己的方式来唱。

I I mean, I I do my version.

你觉得呢，大卫或者萨玛？

What would you say, David or Sama?

我觉得你嗓音特别棒。

I think you You have a great voice.

对。

Yeah.

我平时确实会玩音乐。

Well, I I I I play music.

我主要弹吉他，特别喜欢玩摇滚abilly这类风格，这就是我的爱好。

I I I kinda play I play guitar, and I love to do, like, rockabilly stuff, that kind of so, yeah, that's my thing.

你参加过纽波特民谣音乐节？

You did a Newport Folk Festival

没错，就是不久之前的事。

show not too long That's true.

天哪。

My god.

那这到底是怎么回事？

Well, what the hell?

好吧。

Alright.

嗯，其实……

Well

所以你家人从来不唱歌或者玩音乐？

But so your family didn't sing or play music.

他们平时会弹乐器吗？

Did they this did they were they playing music?

或者

Or

没有。

No.

我们家里的唱片非常少。

There were very few records in our house.

有意思。

Interesting.

那些唱片大多是喜剧类的。

And the and the records there were were comedy records.

我父母没怎么接触过这些，这倒说得通。

Well my parents didn't have That makes sense.

明白吗？

Know?

是的。

Yeah.

但我们其实没有。

But we didn't we were not.

后来我们十几岁的时候才开始买自己的唱片，但我父母根本没什么唱片收藏。

And then later on, we started getting our own records when we were teenagers, but my parents didn't have a big record collection or anything.

我们家本来就不是那种爱听唱片的家庭。

There just wasn't we weren't that kind of people.

对。

Right.

那我跟你们家肯定合不来。

So I would have not fit in with your family.

嗯，

Well

我小时候坐在旅行车后座，一脸懵地问：这到底在搞什么？

I would have been in the way back of the station wagon going, what's going on?

我们其实有个共同点：你小时候不喜欢自己的名字，我也不喜欢我的名字。

We have something in common, which is I don't think you liked your name growing up, and I didn't like my name growing up.

咱们聊聊这个吧。

Let's talk about that.

咱们聊聊这个吧。

Let's talk about that.

那你跟我说说你的名字吧。

Well, tell me about yours.

我叫康纳。

Well, it's Conan.

是的。

Yes.

我小时候这名字可不受欢迎。

And, that didn't fly when I was a kid.

为什么？

Why?

等等。

Wait.

为什么？

Why?

那时候大家都没听过这个名字。

People had never heard it before.

在《经典》之前，它就已经存在了。

There it was before Classic.

《野蛮人柯南》这套漫画真的火了起来。

The Conan, the Barbarian comics really caught on.

所以一开始，大家都问：柯南？那是什么？

So early on, people were like, Conan, what's that?

后来，等那些野蛮人电影陆续上映后，

And then once the Barbarian movies started to come out,

我跟你说，人人都在问：柯南，你是野蛮人吗？

I swear to god, everyone was like, Conan, are a barbarian?

你的剑呢？

Where's your sword?

那时候就这样持续了大概十五年。

And it was, you know, about fifteen years of that.

天哪。

Jesus Christ.

是的。

Yeah.

难怪我唱歌的时候不想敞开心扉。

And so no wonder I didn't wanna be vulnerable when I was singing.

你呢？

What about you?

对我而言，情况也是一样。

Well, for me, it was I same thing.

没人听过，除非他们真的听过。

Like, nobody had heard it, except if they had heard it.

每次我报出自己的名字，别人总会说：这名字是男孩用的。

The the thing that I would hear every single time I said my name was, that's a boy's name.

你懂的。

You know?

每次我跟孩子聊天，甚至大人也会说，其他孩子就会讲，Billie是男孩的名字。

Every time I talk to any child also, like like even adults would say, other kids would say, they'd just be like, Billie is a boy's name.

可Billie不就是男孩的名字吗？

But isn't Billie a boy's name?

你知道小孩都爱瞎闹腾，肯定要说，这是男孩的名字。

I mean, you know how kids are like little assholes, so they're gonna be like, that's a boy.

你懂的。

You know?

对啊。

Yeah.

这真让我特别生气，因为我小时候特别想做个十足的小女孩。

And that really pissed me off also because I was like, I really wanted to be everything girly as a kid.

小时候，我就特别喜欢那些小女孩喜欢的东西。

Like, as a kid, I loved, you know, all the things a little girl loves.

我超爱那些公主玩意儿，还有粉色的东西，什么都行。

I loved my princess things and my pink things and whatever.

所以‘比莉’这名字真让我想不通。

And so Billie just didn't make sense.

但现在回头看看，我其实特别喜欢我的名字，我想知道你现在对自己的名字是什么感觉。

But in hindsight, I mean, first of all, I love my name, and I wonder how you feel about your name now.

我喜欢。

I like it.

我觉得我是慢慢接受它的。

I think I grew into it.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得名字这事儿就得这样，你小时候最想用的名字是什么？

And I think that's what has to happen with your name What is the name that you would have wanted I

我告诉你。

can tell you.

好的。

Okay.

闪亮。

Sparkle.

我特别想叫闪亮。

I wanted to be named Sparkle.

但也要更实际一点。

But more realistic too.

更现实点说，我特别想叫紫罗兰。

More realistically, I wanted to be named Violet really bad.

我真的想叫紫罗兰。

I really want to be named Violet.

我还想叫薰衣草。

I wanted to be named Lavender.

天啊，真没想到。

Oh, wow.

我认识一个叫Flower的女孩。

I knew a girl named Flower.

就是那种特别明确的主题。

Like, very specific theme.

嗯，没错。

Sure.

对。

Yeah.

还有件事，这可能听起来特别像在家上学的家庭氛围，但我妈妈怀我的时候，菲尼亚斯才三四岁，他老把我的肚子叫成海盗。

Oh, also, I my like, this is such a homeschool y vibe, but my mom, when she was pregnant with me, like, Phineas was four or three, and he would call the belly, which I was in pirate.

他总说：‘我想让海盗出来。’

You'd be like, I want pirate to come out.

所以他们当时已经打算叫我海盗了，随便怎么着吧。

So they had named me pirate, like, as of kind of whatever.

他们还认真考虑过给我取名叫海盗·奥康奈尔。

And they were thinking and considering naming me pirate O'Connell.

因为这个孩子。

Because this this child.

海盗是个厉害的海盗。

Pirate's a badass pirate

当女孩吗？

as a girl?

但话又说回来，确实会有点难。

But but, yes, it would have been a little tough.

而且，肯定会被欺负得惨。

And also, bully central, I feel like.

但同时，也挺酷的。

But at the same time, would have been cool.

不过现在回想起来，我很庆幸自己没叫海盗。

But I am really glad, in hindsight, I'm not named pirate.

这简直是洛杉矶那套风格。

That's some LA shit.

这真是典型的洛杉矶家庭教育。

That is some serious LA homeschooling.

真是够呛。

Some shit

海盗现在正在听呢。

pirate is listening right now.

是的。

Yeah.

真的。

Literally.

不好意思。

Sorry.

如果你现在正在听，而且你叫海盗或者闪亮。

If you're listening right now and your name is pirate or sparkle

但康纳，抱歉了。

But Conan Apologies.

你有没有这种感觉？

Don't you you feel like this?

我觉得吧，首先我特别喜欢我的名字，而且根本想象不出别的名字适合我。

Because I feel like there's, first of all, I love my name, and also, I can't imagine any other name

没有。

No.

对我自己来说。

For myself

完全不会有。

at all.

说实话，我现在都搞不清自己到底做了什么，但有时候我觉得名字确实可能带来一些影响。

Mean, now I just turned it into I don't know what I did or, you know, sometimes I think that the name can also help influence

百分百同意。

A 100%.

有一点点吧。

A little bit.

所以如果你小时候因为这个名字感到有点不安，或者其实不太喜欢它，也许这反而是件好事，尤其如果你想走艺术路线。

And so if it made you feel in any way when you're really young, if it made you feel a little unbalanced or I don't really love this, Maybe that's a good thing to have if you wanna be artistic Mhmm.

在你刚起步的时候。

When you're early on.

所以这些名字可能会影响我们，或者我们慢慢融入了它们，它们也融入了我们。

So it's possible that these names help us, or we grow into them, and they grow into us.

因此，我现在一点也不想改。

And so I wouldn't change anything now.

对。

Yeah.

但确实有一段时间，我特别想要一头乌黑的头发。

But I really did go through a number of years where I also wanted jet black hair.

就是那种。

Like Oh.

你懂的。

You know?

我当时想要一头纯黑的头发，还希望自己的名字叫‘No’。

I wanted, like, jet black hair, and I wanted my name to be like No.

你该不会是想说，你希望名字叫‘纯黑’吧？

You're gonna say I wanted my name to be jet black.

不是。

No.

那我也愿意接受。

Would've taken that too.

是的。

Yeah.

那本来也会是个

That would've been a

不错的名字。

good name.

名字叫‘Black’挺好的。

The name's Black.