约翰尼·诺克斯维尔

这是播放。

This is play.

这是暂停。

This is pause.

里面装了胶片。

It's got film in it.

我当时说，你不是在拍吗？

I'm like, you're not shooting it?

他说，不是。

He's like, no.

因为涉及枪支。

He because there's a gun involved.

他不想

He didn't want

不想待在那里。

Didn't wanna be there.

没人想在那里。

Nobody wanted to be there.

没人想在那里。

No one wants to be there.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

所以摄像机才会拍得这么晃。

So that's why the camera works so shaky

就是因为这个。

with that.

于是你开始制作这些东西，然后你有机会为MTV制作一档节目。

So you start making these things, and then you get a chance to make a show for MTV.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我根本不知道这件事。

And I didn't know this.

就在你达成制作节目的协议、即将开拍的同一时刻，突然间，你收到了洛恩·米歇尔从《周六夜现场》发来的邀请。

At the same moment that you have this deal to make a show and you're about to make the show, out of nowhere, you get this offer from Lorne Michaels at Saturday Night Live.

是的。

Yeah.

我从来没听说过这件事。

And I never heard that.

在那之前两三个月，我的生活一点动静都没有。

Nothing was happening in my life, like, two or three months before.

你知道的？

You know?

我的家庭和孩子确实很美好，但事业上却毫无进展。

I mean, I the wonderful things with the family and the kid, but professionally, nothing.

然后突然间，我有了一个电视节目。

And then it's like, I have a TV show.

我们即将为MTV拍摄试播集。

We're about to shoot the pilot for MTV.

然后，就像你说的，洛恩·米歇尔打来电话，我们去比弗利山庄酒店的波洛休息室见面，那里正是《恐惧和厌恶》开始的地方。

And then, like you said, Lorne Michaels comes calling, and we go meet at the Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel where fear and loathing beat did begin in.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

这事情太多了，你知道吗？因为我之前根本没有演出机会，而他却给了我每周在《周六夜现场》上五分鐘的时段。

It was a lot, you know, because I I had no gigs before this, and he's offered me a spot, like, five minutes on Saturday Night Live each week.

不是让你演角色之类的东西。

Not to do characters and things like that.

不是。

No.

而是做我自己的东西。

To do what I do.

就是每周制作一个视频。

Like, make a video each week.

我当时真的认真考虑过，但最终还是决定要去那里。

And it was a I had to I really seriously considered it, but I ended up thinking I would go on there.

我完全不会有创作控制权，而我马上要和朋友们做另一件事。

I'm not gonna have any creative control whatsoever, and I'm about to do this other thing with me and my friends.

我更愿意掌握全部主动权，宁愿赌一把我们自己，而不是去加入那个节目。

And I'd rather where I have all the control, and I'd rather bet on us than enter into that.

我当然很幸运能上《周六夜现场》，但

And would probably I I'd been lucky to be on Saturday Night Live, but

我选择了后者。

I chose that.

不。

No.

我的意思是，你显然没有做出错误的决定。

I mean, obviously, you sure you certainly didn't make the the wrong move there.

通过做《Jackass》，你成为了自己宇宙的主宰，而不是成为一档节目里微不足道的一部分，有时候他们甚至会说：‘今晚不播你的片段了。’

And you got to be the master of your own universe by doing Jackass as opposed to being a small piece of a show where you have very less sometimes, we're not gonna air your piece tonight.

它没通过。

It didn't make it.

或者，你知道的，我们会保留这个。

Or, you know, we're gonna hold on to that.

或者这么说，那是正确的决定。

Or so so that was the right thing to do.

嗯，拍摄试播集的时候我并不这么想，当时拍摄被叫停了，我心里想：天哪。

Well, I didn't think so when the pilot while we're shooting the pilot, it got shut down, and I'm like, oh, man.

我们被取消了。

We're canceled.

现在连播出的机会都没有了。

It's this is not even making it to the air now.

为什么被叫停了？

Why was it shut down?

我们当时在西好莱坞一家五金店拍摄，现在那儿大概变成餐厅了，叫劳伦五金店。

We were filming a bit in West Hollywood at this hardware store, which I think is restaurant now, Laurel Hardware.

两者都是。

It's both.

你可以买到五金用品和食物。

You can get hardware and food.

太好了。

Great.

太好了。

Great.

我买了牛排、炭烤的，还有耙子。

And I have the steak char char and the and the rake.

我也有耙子。

I have the rake as well.

我走进去的时候，脸上全是脏污，穿着橙色的监狱囚服，还戴着 handcuffs。

And I walked in, my face was all dirty in a prison orange jumpsuit, and I was handcuffed.

我一整天都在求他们帮我把 handcuffs 锯开。

And I was trying to get them to help me saw the handcuffs all day.

他们把地方清空了。

They cleared out the place.

大家都很害怕。

Everyone's scared.

我突然意识到，当时我一个人在锯木区锯木头，连我的摄像师都不在了。

And I realized at one point, I'm out there on the saw section sawing, and there's no not even my cameraman are around.

天哪，真糟。

Like, well, shit.

我喜欢

I love

你这么认真地演这个桥段，而且还没摄像头。

that you're you're doing you're committing to the bit, and there's no camera.

有一刻，我正在锯木头，

At one point, I'm sawing,

锯子直接划到了我的手腕，离得特别近，就在这时我听到了警察来了。

and it goes right on my wrist, and it was very close to, like so then I heard the cops coming.

我当时想，我最好出去，因为摄像机在那里。

I'm like, well, I better get outside because that's where the cameras are.

我冲了出去，就在这时，三四辆车的警察正驶近。

And I I I run outside, and right as, like, three or four carloads of cops are pulling up.

第一个赶到现场的女警官从车里出来，让我趴在地上，我照做了。

And the first lady on the scene, she gets out of her car and tells me, get on the ground, and I abide by what she's saying.

但她没把车停稳，车直接撞上了我面前的电线杆。

But she didn't put her car in park, and it runs right into a telephone telephone pole in front of me.

我当时趴在地上。

And I'm on the ground.

你能听到我喊：‘天哪，不好了。’

You can hear me go, oh, no.

因为现在他们生气了。

Because now now they're mad.

你知道吗，从那以后，电视节目整整十年都没能在好莱坞西区拍摄，因为

You know, TV couldn't shoot in Holly West Hollywood for over ten years after that because

我们没有许可证。

we didn't have a permit.

我们不知道拍这些东西还需要许可证。

We didn't know you permitted to shoot these things.

你们没有许可证？

You didn't have a permit?

我们根本不知道许可证是什么。

We didn't know what a permit was.

这太棒了。

That's so fantastic.

你知道吗，你让我意识到一个我很久以来的想法：只要摄像机在拍，我就会做些平时不会做的事。

You know, you are giving credence to this idea that I've had for a long time, which is that if a camera's going, I will do things that I won't do otherwise.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对。

Yes.

所以，以一种《恶作剧》节目的方式，只要摄像机在录，我就会说一些话，因为有可能别人会笑。

And so in a jackass kind of way, I have always if there's a camera rolling, I'll say and and there's a potential for people to be laughing

对。

Yes.

只要知道会被录下来，我就会做那些本来我会说‘不，算了’的事情。

And it for it to be recorded, I will do things that, otherwise, I'd say, oh, no.

我宁愿不做。

I'd rather not.

我吃昆虫。

I I I eat bugs.

我的意思是，我们聊聊《恐惧因素》吧，但你们在《恐惧因素》里做的所有事情，只要我觉得有人会看到并笑出来，我就失去理智了。

I I mean, we'll talk about fear factor, but all the stuff you guys do in fear factor, I lose common sense if I think there's a potential that people would see it and laugh.

是的。

Yeah.

但你刚才说的是那种警察要来的场景。

And but you're talking about situations where you're invoking your the police are coming.

人们有枪。

People have guns.

对。

Right.

他们完全可以这么说：一个穿着橙色连体衣的家伙从五金店冲出来，于是我开枪了。

And they can very justifiably let you say a guy in an orange jumpsuit came running out of the hardware store, and I discharged my weapon.

然后就会有人说：哎呀，那个拍试播集的人真倒霉。

And then it's like, oh, that's too bad for that guy making a pilot.

嗯，那是因为

Well, that's

后来那位女警官告诉我的。

what the lady told me afterwards, the female policeman.

她说，如果你在地上的时候稍微移动几英寸，比如我打算逃走。

She goes, if you would have just moved a few inches while you were on the ground to like like, I was gonna get away.

她会直接朝你耳朵开一枪。

She I would just put a bullet in your ear.

我当时就想，还好我干脆躺在那儿了。

And I'm like, well, I'm glad I kinda just laid there.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我就问，这是你遇到过最奇怪的报警电话吗？

And I said, is this the weirdest call you ever had?

他们说，不是。

And they said, no.

有一次，有个家伙吸了PCP，光着身子爬到棕榈树顶上，然后一路滑了下来。

One time, a guy was on PCP at the top of a palm tree, buck naked, and slid all the way down.

是的。

Yes.

天哪。

Shit.

哦。

Oh.

我们曾试图说服其中一位演员这么做，但没人愿意。

Which we tried to convince one of the cast guys to do, but no one was up for it.

这要么极其痛苦，要么是一种性刺激。

That is either extremely painful or an erotic thrill.

哦。

Oh.

不。

No.

不是吗？

No?

好吧。

Okay.

但你提到的笑这件事，我不知道该怎么写才能让人感到‘哇’。

But the laughter thing you're talking about, I I don't know how to write to make, like, wow.

美国人会觉得什么是有趣的？

What would America thinks funny?

我会觉得那确实挺搞笑的。

I I that would Yeah.

那会让我愣住，但说到《恶作剧》节目，我只知道怎么让我的朋友们笑。

That would make me freeze and but so with Jackass, if I only know how to make my friends laugh.

如果他们笑了，是的。

And if they're laughing Yes.

大概我们就没问题了。

Probably we're good.

但如果他们没笑，我们可能就得重拍了。

But if if they're not laughing, we're probably shooting again.

《恶作剧》节目本身，当然并不是所有特技都由你亲自完成。

There's jackass itself then and it's not always you doing the stunts, obviously.

你找来朋友，这样看起来像是把痛苦和受伤分摊了。

You get your friends so that you can it seems to me, like, distribute the pain and injury.

是的。

Yes.

所以这样你知道吗？

So that it's you know?

而且这引起了巨大轰动。

And it it's a huge sensation.

然后《恶搞之家》这部电影，我记得看过，当时就想着，他们是怎么做到这些的？

And then Jackass, the movie, I remembered seeing that and just being because I remember thinking, how do they do this now?

因为你知道，电视剧里有太多经典瞬间了。

Because, you know, the TV show has so many sort of iconic moments.

你们是怎么拍出一部电影的？

How do you do a movie?

我觉得你们拍那部电影时做出了很棒的决定。

And I thought you guys made great decisions when you made that movie.

哦，谢谢。

Oh, thank you.

你知道吧？

You know?

我不确定是因为你们把尺度加大了一点，但你们也有制作方面的考量，你知道我的意思吧？

And I don't know what because you up the ante a little bit, but you also have, like, production, and you you know what I mean?

这不只是电视节目。

It's not just the show.

它更像是被放大了，更具表现力。

It's sort of on steroids and more presentational.

我不清楚拍这部电影的初衷是什么？

I don't what was the thinking behind the movie?

嗯，拍这部电影的初衷是我们把它称为《恶作剧》的第三季，但实际上有24集，历时九到十个月完成。

Well, the thinking behind the movie was we did they called it three seasons of Jackass, but it was 24 episodes and over a series of nine, ten months.

而且，不幸的是，当时出现了几起模仿事件，那又是选举年，约瑟夫·利伯曼对好莱坞发起了抨击。

And we had, unfortunately, a couple of copycat incidences, and it was an election year, and Joseph Lieberman came down on Hollywood.

那是他的主要政见，而我本人和MTV也因此受到了牵连。

That was his big platform, and me personally in MTV because of that.

是的

Yeah.

所以做杰克ass变得不可能了。

So it became impossible to do jackass.

对吧？

Right?

我们拍摄现场有了所有这些安全和OSHA人员。

We had all these safety OSHA guys on the set.

你不能从超过四英尺的地方跳下来。

You can't jump off anything more than four feet.

我觉得这样不对劲。

And and I felt like this doesn't feel right.

我们做的真的很傻。

What we do is really silly.

对吧？

Right?

但这对我意义重大。

But it it means something to me.

所以我心想，我觉得这该结束了。

So I'm like, I think this is the end.

于是我接受了家乡报纸的采访，说我不干了。

And so I gave an interview to my hometown newspaper and said, I quit.

是的。

Yeah.

大家都挺惊讶的，因为我突然就单干了。

And everyone was kinda surprised because I just went rogue.

是的。

Yeah.

所以当时有很多来回的争议。

So there was a lot of heat back and forth.

MTV很不高兴，因为我还签着合同，诸如此类的。

MTV was upset because I was under contract, yada yada yada.

来回扯皮很多。

A lot of back and forth.

最后，有人提出了拍一部电影的主意，杰夫和斯派克来找我，说：不如我们干脆拍一部电影吧？

Finally, idea for a movie was floated, and Jeff and Spike came to me and said, well, how about if we just do a movie instead?

我就像我这个傻瓜一样。

I'm like, like, the idiot I am.

我当时说：什么？

I'm like, what?

谁来演我们？

Who's gonna play us?

他们说：不。

And they're like, no.

不。

No.

你这个傻瓜。

You idiot.

是的。

Yes.

他们问：这是个爱情故事吗？

And they're like, love is it a love story?

一个调皮版的电视剧。

A naughty version of the TV show.

我心想：好吧。

I'm like, okay.

明白了。

Got it.

你知道的吧？

You know?

所以，我有点困惑，这经常发生。

So that I was a little confused as I often am.

但我记得曾经《南方公园》拍过一部电影，我当时想，传统上，电视剧拍电影多年以来都被认为是个糟糕的主意。

But I felt like there was a time when South Park made a movie, and I thought, well, this traditionally, TV shows make a movie, for many years, it was the rule that it's a bad idea.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

那贾斯汀和凯莉呢？

And then Justin and Kelly?

好的。

Okay.

几乎总是个糟糕的主意。

Almost always a bad idea.

那是第一个

That's the first

跳进你脑海的。

one that popped into your head.

贾斯汀·瓜里尼刚在这儿。

Justin Guarini was just here.

我不是那个会跟着屠夫走的人

I'm not the butcher's guy to come along the

街区。

block.

不过，不管怎样，这个投票很棒，顺便说一下。

Well, anyway, great poll, by the way.

但你知道，我记得《南方公园》拍了一部电影，结果就像，哦，是的。

But, you know, I remember, like, South Park made a movie, and it turned out like, oh, yes.

太棒了。

Excellent.

然后你们也拍了一部电影，感觉这次大家做出的决定是正确的，而且真的产生了影响。

And then and then you guys made a movie, and it felt like this time when people were making the right call and was actually translating.

哦，谢谢。

Oh, thank you.

我很好奇。

I'm curious.

你知道，我想起过去大约三十年或二十八年里，我一直在做一档节目，总是对各种事情说好，因为我以为那样会很有趣。

You know, I think about there was, whatever, thirty years or twenty eight years there where I was doing a show and always saying yes to things because I thought it would be funny.

我曾经被一头水牛甩出去，飞到空中，然后摔在坚硬的混凝土上，

And I got tossed by a water buffalo once and fell onto up into the air and fell onto hard concrete, and

哦，天哪。

it Oh, wow.

停住了。

Stopped.

哇。

Wow.

我跳上一头水牛的时候，那根本不是我该做的事。

I jumped on a water buffalo when that was not what I was supposed to do.

我所有的常识都抛到脑后了，我一直在想这件事。

And all my common sense went away, and I think about that all the time.

现在我在想你的生活，你脑子里是不是有一段蒙太奇，回放着那些你做过的事——可能进行到一半你就觉得这主意太糟了，但还是硬着头皮做了。

Now I'm thinking about your life where you have a montage playing in your head of things you did where probably halfway through you thought, this is a terrible idea, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

嗯，

Well,

这简直是个糟糕的主意。

it's like, this is a terrible idea.

但我真高兴我做了这件事。

I'm so glad I'm doing it.

我们马上就要拍到画面了。

We're about to get footage.

顺便说一句，我一直想被水牛撞一下，所以我特别羡慕。

And by the way, I've always wanted to get hit by a water buffalo, so I'm envious.

我当时坐在那儿，心想：哦。

I was sitting there like, oh.

我很高兴你这么仰慕我。

I'm I'm glad that you look up to me that way.

现在你已经满头银发，睿智而高贵了，有没有哪些事情特别让你印象深刻？

So are there things that stand out to you now that you are this silver haired, wise, you know, patrician.

现在有没有哪些事情让你突然惊呼：天啊。

Are there things that stand out to you now where you go like, oh my god.

那真是个糟糕的主意。

That was a terrible idea.

我不知道。

I I don't know.

你有没有什么后悔的事？

Do you have any regrets at all?

比如，我希望我没做过那件事。

Like, I wish I hadn't done that one.

嗯，确实如此。

Well, yeah.

我的意思是，我们最近在回看一些旧片段，看到的时候就会想，哦，那个……但并不是关乎我的人身安全，毕竟不可能每件事都成功。

I mean, we we're we're been going back looking through some old bits, and you're like, oh, that that but not like anything for my physical safety just because, you know, they all can't be hits.

所以我就想，天啊。

So then then I'm like, oh, man.

就连看第一部《杰克ass》电影时，都觉得它跟后来的发展相比简直太温和了。

We just even watching the the first movie, it's it's almost first Jackass movie, it's so tame into what it became.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我不后悔那些事。

And which but I I don't regret any of that.

那只是当时的样子。

It's just what it was.

当我看着自己做恶作剧时，我就只是想，我为什么选择那样做？

And and, like, I'm watching myself do pranks, and I just I watch it and just go, why did I do that course of action?

我为什么不能换个方式呢？我们都这样。

Why couldn't I have pivoted into the I I just We all do that.

就像责备自己。

Like to beat myself up.

有一点。

A little bit.

我们都这样。

We all do that.

我们都会回顾过去的工作，并感到后悔。

We all look at past work we've done and have regrets.

但对你来说，可能是：我为什么要自焚？

But for you, it might be, why did I light myself on fire?

不。

No.

我的意思是，牙膏已经挤出来了。

I mean, toothpaste is

从管子里挤出来了，康纳。

out of the tube, Conan.

我现在也无能为力了。

I can't do anything about it now.

是的。

So Yeah.

我对一切都坦然接受。

I'm I'm alright with everything.

那很好。

That's good.

你感到疼痛吗？

Are you in pain?

你是否一直处在疼痛中？

Do you walk around in constant pain?

有时会，但我现在并不疼。

Sometimes, but I'm I'm not.

这根本不是笑话。

It's not even a joke.

我其实不太能感受到自己的身体。

I'm not really in touch with my body.

我也是。

Me neither.

我就能

I can just

是的。

Yeah.

勉强应付了事。

Kind of deal with whatever.

是的。

Yeah.

真有趣，你这么说，因为我不喜欢的问题就是，当我去看医生时，他们问：‘现在感觉怎么样？’

I it's funny you say that because my least favorite question is if I go to a doctor or something and they say, now how does it feel?

我就说：我不知道。

And I go, I don't know.

我只想赶紧进棺材。

I just wanna get to the grave.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道吗，我讨厌他们跟我说这些，什么的。

You know, like, I hate I hate when they're telling me, you know, or whatever.

你去按摩，他们就会问，现在这个感觉怎么样？我就会说，我不知道。

You get a massage and they're like, now how does this feel as a I'm like, I don't know.

别管我。

Leave me alone.

我只是想好好过日子。

I'm trying to get through life.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

我也有这种感觉。

I have that kind of feeling.

所以当你这么说的时候，我一下子被触动了。

And so when you said that, I was electrified.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

就好像我只是……我不知道。

It's like I just I don't know.

这是我自找的。

I I did this to myself.

那我该怎么办呢？

So what what what am I gonna do?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我不会向任何人抱怨。

I'm not gonna complain to anyone.

只是

It's just

就是这样。

that's what it is.

是的。

Yeah.

确实如此。

That's true.

我还没想到这一点。

I hadn't thought of that.

大多数走路时总说‘天啊，我髋关节疼’的人。

Most people that walk around like, oh, man, my hip.

怎么了？

What happened?

哦，你知道的，就是因为在工厂干了那么多年。

Oh, you know, just all those years of working at the plant.

而对你来说，就是我把自己绑在火箭上，是的。

And for you, it's, well, I strap myself to a rocket Yeah.

然后让火箭撞上混凝土墙，就像威利·E那样。

And had it fired into a concrete wall, like, you know, like Wile E.

科伊ote

Coyote.

是的

Yeah.

很难说，天啊。

And it's hard to be like, oh, man.

这真不容易。

That's tough.

是的。

Yeah.

发生什么事了？

What happened?

我知道具体发生了什么。

I know exactly what happened.

我们有录像。

We have footage.

我们有六台摄像机。

We have six cameras.

我可以证明这一点。

I can prove it.

哇。

Wow.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这简直不可思议。

It's it's I mean, it's incredible.

你提到亨特·S·汤普森，这让我觉得特别有趣。

It's so interesting to me too that you've referenced Hunter S.

我有幸采访过他几次，你几次提到他，这让我很荣幸。

Thompson a couple of times, someone that I had the honor of getting to interview Yeah.

你早期对写作的兴趣也让我印象深刻。

I think twice, and and and your interest early on in writing.

你明白我的意思吗？

Do you know what I mean?

这些是我感到非常有共鸣的事情。

These are I those are things that I feel very connected to.

还有亨特·S·

And Hunter S.

汤普森是一个将自己全部——身心与理智——都倾注于作品中的人。

Thompson was someone who put his entire himself and his body and his sanity, he poured it all into his work.

是的。

Yeah.

让我觉得特别有趣的是，某种程度上你也是沿着这条路走的。

And it's it's fascinating to me that in a way you are in that vein.

你明白我的意思吗？

Do you know what I mean?

你是在说，好吧。

You're you're you're you're saying, okay.

这就是我的身体，我会把全部投入我所做的事情中。

Here's my body, and I'm gonna put all of it into what I do.

它会经过这个磨盘，但这就是我的工作。

And it's gonna go through this this grinder, but that's that is my work.

是的。

Yeah.

那是我最好的猜测，你知道的，老实说。

This that was my best guess, you know, honestly.

我非常喜欢亨特。

And I love Hunter.

你知道，有两本书在我早期改变了我的人生，比如杰克·卡罗尔的《公路》。

You know, I like, two books kinda changed my life early on, like, the Road by Jack Carroll.

我和我表弟在酒吧里，他把这本书递给了我。

We're in a bar with my cousin, and he hands me the book.

我根本不知道有人会这样生活。

I just I didn't know people lived like that.

是的。

Yeah.

而且你知道，我来自田纳西州的一个小镇。

And it was you know, I'm from a small town in Tennessee.

那里的人们都生活在那里，也留在那里。

Everyone lives there, stays there.

当我19岁的时候，我读了《拉斯维加斯的恐惧与厌恶》，我觉得竟然有人能写得如此自由，我以前根本不知道。

And and then I read Fear and Loathing Las Vegas when I was 19, and I felt like I didn't know anyone could write like this and be so free.

从那以后，我就彻底废了。

And after that, I I was useless.

你知道吗？

You know?

我觉得我的人生道路已经注定了。

It's like my my path was set, I guess.

这太有趣了。

That's so funny.

那是我人生中的一个阶段，我想我刚搬到洛杉矶，2022年，那时候我只在读《恐惧和厌恶在拉斯维加斯》这类书。

Those are a time in your life I think I had just moved out to LA '22, and I'm just only reading, you know, fear and loathing books.

是的。

Yeah.

它深深打动了我。

And it just spoke to me.

虽然我的生活根本不像书里那样，但它确实以某种方式占据了我；而以我现在的年纪，我不知道它是否还能这样。

Not that I in my life matched that in any way, but it takes you over in a way that, you know, at my age now, I don't know that it would.

我会喜欢它，但它不会再像以前那样完全占据我了。

I'd like it, but it wouldn't it wouldn't inhabit me the same way.

实际上，如果你或者你的朋友过着那样的生活，和你们在一起简直累到不行。

And, like, in actuality, if you're living like that or your friends living like that, it's so fucking exhausting to be around.

懂吗？

Know?

当然。

Sure.

是的。

Yeah.

我有一些朋友，比如史蒂夫·O，他完全失控了，是的。

I've had some friends who are just I mean, Steve O, he was off the rails Yeah.

他一直在用你能搞到的最糟糕的毒品。

Just doing the worst drugs you can get your hands on.

PCP，耶稣啊。

PCP Jesus.

那些一氧化二氮气罐。

Those those nitrous canisters.

他脚边会堆满一氧化二氮气罐，简直让人精疲力尽。

There would be it would be a sea of nitrous canisters at his feet, and it was exhausting.

我的意思是，他自己也会说这太累了。

I mean, he'll tell you it was exhausting.

但现在，他过得很好。

But, I mean, now he's, like, he's doing great.

他戒酒已经很久了，我们2008年把他送进去的，到现在已经有十七年左右了。

He's been sober for well over we put him away in 2008, so seventeen years or something.

不可思议。

Incredible.

为他感到高兴。

Good for him.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，人们问我，你会不会说点关于勇气的事？我会说，那才是真正的勇气。

So, I mean, people ask me, well, would you say something about if bravery I'm like, that's that's bravery.

他每天早上都得面对那只巨龙。

Like, he has to face that dragon every morning.

是的。

Yeah.

他做到了，而且现在过得很好，我为他感到非常骄傲。

And he does, and he's he's doing great, and I'm really proud of him.

这确实是最令人印象深刻的事情，是的。

It is the most impressive thing Yeah.

我看到人们这么做，你知道，能够像这样给自己重新开启一章，真是令人惊叹，比如史蒂夫·奥，需要我帮你拿点什么吗？

I see people do is, you know and it's just amazing that you can give yourself another chapter like that where it's like, Steve O, can I get you anything?

也许你可以喝点木槿茶？

Some maybe do you have hibiscus tea?

你只需要四秒钟就能站在公牛面前，但他却必须每天都做这样的事。

It it takes you four seconds to stand in front of a bull, but he has to do something

像这样日复一日地面对公牛。

like this ever.

他必须整天面对公牛。

He has to face bulls all day long.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

当你和那些家伙待在一起，大家聚在一起的时候，你有没有过那种时候，说：‘喂，小声点。’

Do you ever get when you're with all those guys and you guys together are together, do you ever have the thing of, guys, keep it down.

你知道的？

You know?

我的意思是，你知道我说的是什么吧？

You know, it's it's it you know what I mean?

我们现在已经不是那样了。

We're not that anymore.

小声点。

Keep it down.

我今晚不想弄出太大动静，我得去睡觉了。

I I don't wanna make too much noise tonight or I gotta get to bed.

现在是9点15分。

It's 09:15.

我甚至都不知道该怎么去让他们安静下来。

I don't even I wouldn't even know how to go about trying to quiet them down.

你知道的。

You know?

就是

It's just

你可以试试。

you can try.

镇静剂。

Tranquilizer.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得那

I think the

如果我觉得在那种情况下，每个人都变得更糟了。

if I think everyone becomes worse in those situations.

如果有人试图说是的话。

If someone tries to yes.

是的。

Yeah.

我想我从来没这么做过。

Don't think I ever do that.

好吧，我们开始吧。

Well, here we go.

不过，在摄像机关闭的时候，尤其是早期，情况比摄像机开着的时候糟糕得多。

Though we get that when the cameras are off, especially early on, it was way worse than when the cameras are on.

真的吗？

Is that true?

哦，确实是的。

Oh, it was yeah.

他们非常容易激动。

Very they're very excitable.

这就像你在说小精灵，或者别让他们沾水。

It's like you're talking about gremlins or just don't get them wet.

你知道的。

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

别用威士忌弄湿他们，因为他们非常容易兴奋。

Don't get them wet with whiskey because they're very excitable.

你提到安全协调员，这挺有趣，他们是负责确保每个人行为得体的人。

It's funny you brought up safety coordinators are people that are there to make sure that everyone's behaving properly.

对。

Yeah.

我曾经在片场经历过最温和的场景，真的是最温和的——比如从天花板穿过，掉进办公室，直接落在德怀特·施鲁特的办公桌上，那张桌子离我只有三英尺高。

The times that I've been on a set where I had to do the most tame thing, literally the most tame thing, like, go through the ceiling of the show, the office, and land land on a desk that's just, like, three feet below me, on Dwight Schrute's desk.

这简直就是一个小小的跳落。

And just it's just like a little drop down.

我知道。

I know.

当时我40岁，总是到处乱蹦乱跳，因为我像个大孩子。

At the time I'm doing it, I'm 40, and I'm just throwing myself around all the time because I'm a big kid.

有人过来跟我说：我们谈谈吧。

And someone's there like, let's talk.

我知道。

I know.

让我们来一步步梳理一下。

This is let's walk through this.

现在我们要在六个不同的位置固定住你的身体。

Now we're going to hold your body in six different places.

沃尔夫。

Wolf.

然后慢慢来，好的。

And slowly yeah.

叮。

Bing.

你得先请我吃饭。

You gotta buy me dinner first.

然后他们会慢慢来，而且我们的桌子是用一种特殊泡沫做的。

And then they're gonna slowly and then we've made the desk out of a special foam.

我就说，伙计们，我从小在一个大家庭长大，我们整天就是互相从楼梯上扔来扔去。

And I'm like, guys, I I grew up in a big family, and all we did was toss each other off of staircases.

是的。

Yeah.

这就是我的方式，你知道的，大多数时候我有了一个喜剧点子，第一件事就是假装打别人一下，然后我被扔穿玻璃窗。

And that is my way of you know, most times I have a comedy idea, the first thing I wanna do is pretend to punch somebody, and then I'm thrown through a glass window.

我喜欢这种东西。

It's I like that kind of stuff.

我觉得我对自己身体的意识不够，我迟早会做点什么，因为我只是觉得好玩、搞笑，在胡闹，忘了自己已经85岁了。

And I think I I am not body aware in the way that I'm I'm going to do something still at some point because I just think I'm having fun and being funny, and I'm goofing around, and I'm gonna forget that I'm 85 years old.

你们是在挑选吗？

Is are you guys picking?

你是在为新版《恶作剧》节目试镜吗？

Are you auditioning for the new jackass movie?

嗯，我

Well, I

我得说，我确实是。

have to say, I am.

我叫康南·奥布莱恩。

My name's Conan O'Brien.

你知道吗？

Know what?

我会的。

I would.

是的。

Yeah.

我会去做。

I would do it.

但那只是他从床上掉下来。

But it's just him falling out of bed.

不。

No.

我觉得我会去做。

I think I would do it.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

对我来说，一个大场面就是管好自己，谢谢。

A big stunt for me is behaving myself Thank you.

在拥挤的剧院里。

In a crowded theater.

不。

No.

我向神发誓，我有一种愿望实现的感觉。

I I swear to god, there is a wish fulfillment with me.

这就是为什么我如此兴奋。

That's why I'm I get so excited.

我以前当然是你们的忠实粉丝，而且

And I used to I'm obviously a big fan of yours and

谢谢。

Thank you.

你们之前做的那些东西，我一直有一部分觉得这很有趣。

The stuff that you guys were doing, and there was there's always been part of me it's funny.

对我来说，这是阴阳两面。

To me, it's the yin and the yang.

我非常理性、谨慎，具备所有那些特质，但另一方面，我也喜欢那种失去控制的感觉。

I am very cerebral and cautious and all of those things, and then there's the flip side of it where I kinda like it where I'm not in control.

这从另一个角度来说是一种解脱。

It's a relief from the other guy.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我对孩子很谨慎。

I'm I'm cautious with my kids.

对吧？

Right?

而且，哦，但这太有趣了。

And, like, oh, but That's so funny.

我以前简直像个直升机父母，孩子小的时候我管得特别严。

I've never I was like a hell I'm a total helicopter parent when they were little.

我就是那个在下面的人，这太搞笑了。

Like, I'm the guy underneath the That's hilarious.

在单杠上时，我会尽量确保他们不会摔下来。

The monkey bars trying to, like, make sure they don't fall.

你就这样对一个19岁的孩子说教。

Just you lecturing at at 19 year old.

听好了。

Now listen.

我今晚要你把头牢牢固定住。

I want you to have your head strapped on right tonight.

你头上还插着一个火炉架，穿过你的颅骨。

And you have, like, a you have an andiron sticking through your skull.

自行车？

A bicycle?

你在开玩笑吗？

Are you kidding me?

自行车？

A bicycle?

不可能。

No way.

你要戴七个头盔。

You're gonna wear seven helmets.

我喜欢这一切。

I love all of that.

太棒了。

That's fantastic.

我知道。

I know.

我也喜欢。

I do too.

嗯，你知道的，我想告诉你，他们让我看了新的《恐惧因素》。

Well, I, you know, I wanna tell you we had they let me watch the new fear factor.

他们给了我们一个链接，我看得特别开心。

They gave us a link to it, and I was really enjoying it.

我得说，让你来当主持人，是某个人的神来之笔。

And I have to say, getting you as the host was a was a stroke of genius on somebody's part.

我非常开心。

I'm I'm very happy.

我玩得很开心。

I had a lot of fun.

但问题是，这跟《恶作剧》其实也没太大差别，只是我不能像对待自己人那样去对待这些人。

But because But, I mean, it's not too much of a pivot from what Jackass was, except if I can't go at these people like I do mine.

你这里面对的都是普通人。

You're dealing with civilians here.

是的。

Yes.

而且这些人有自尊心，有自我价值感。

And these people have pride, a sense of a sense of self esteem.

他们想融入社会。

They wanna live in society.

他们能使用工具来制造其他工具。

They they can use tools to make other tools.

他们狩猎和采集。

They hunt and gather.

他们用后腿行走。

Walk on their hind legs.

是的。

Yeah.

他们希望繁衍后代。

They wish to procreate.

对。

Yeah.

所以他们不会。

So they no.

这很有趣，因为我也很喜欢能身处其中，而且他们做这些事情真的特别有意思。

It's it's it's fun because I also love that you get to be around it, and it's it's really fun that they're doing all of this stuff.

而你就穿着一件这么棒的polo针织衫在那里。

And you're there wearing one of these fantastic, like, polo sweaters.

哦，谢谢。

Oh, thank you.

我妻子是我的造型师，艾米莉。

My wife was my costumer, Emily.

所以，就像

So, like

但你总是在那里，享受着这一切。

It's it's but you're always there like, enjoy.

你就像《幻想岛》里的里卡多·蒙特尔班。

And you become the Ricardo Montelban on Fantasy Island.

你知道的？

You know?

就像，你根本不需要出一身汗。

It's like, you don't have to break a sweat.

你们所有人都被扔进巨大的绞肉机里。

And you're like, all of you, get into the giant meat grinder.

你就待在那里。

And you're there.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

你配得上这一切。

You've earned it.

那种感觉就像你真的赢得了成为那个人的权利。

And it feels like you've really earned the right to be that guy.

是的。

Yeah.

这很有趣。

It's fun.

比如，当人们以一种有趣的方式表现出恐惧时，我就特别感兴趣。

Like, you know, I when people display fear in an entertaining manner, I'm I'm here for it.

我刚接到这个工作的时候，还以为……

I thought I was going I first got the gig.

我当时想，天哪。

I'm like, oh, man.

我真要让他们日子不好过。

I'm really gonna make their life hell.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我变得兴奋起来，但这从来都不是好事。

I got excited, and that's never good.

但当我越来越接近时，我意识到，这些人不一样，你知道，这涉及金钱，而且这些人确实有恐惧症。

But then as I got closer, I'm like, well, these kind these are these they're different, you know, and there's money at stake, and they're trying these people actually do have phobias.

没错。

Yep.

所以我当时想，也许我更自然地想去帮助他们度过这个过程。

So I I was like, maybe I'm I just felt more natural to kinda help them through it.

对。

Right.

但我还是让他们吃了不少苦头。

But I still gave them hell.

是的。

Yeah.

但总的来说，我喜欢这两件事。

But mostly, I I I like I enjoyed both things.

在我看来，你已经开始产生同理心了。

It sounds to me like you've started to develop empathy.

是的。

I did.

我甚至都流泪了

I even teared