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你好。
Hi.
我叫奥利维亚·穆恩。
My name is Olivia Munn.
是这样念的吗?
Is that how
你这么念的?
you pronounce it?
是的。
Yeah.
是我的。
Mine.
能成为科南·奥布莱恩的朋友,我感到特别兴奋和惊喜。
And I feel so excited and amazed about being Conan O'Brien's friend.
真贴心。
That's so sweet.
是的
Yeah.
大家好。
Hey, everybody.
欢迎来到《康南·奥布莱恩需要朋友》。
Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend.
今天真是个好日子。
This is a very good day.
对。
Mhmm.
因为今天我邀请到了索尼姆·奥布塞ッション。
Because I'm joined, of course, by Sonim Obsession.
没错。
Yes.
但今天标志着我们的好朋友兼搭档马特·戈雷利荣耀回归。
But today marks the return, the heroic return of our good friend and associate, Matt Goreley.
是的
Yeah.
别这样,各位。
Come on, guys.
嗨。
Hey.
我喜欢‘英雄归来’这个说法。
I like the heroic part.
是的
Yeah.
挺好的。
Just fine.
我们真的很想你。
We we've missed you.
真的。
Seriously.
你们啊。
You guys.
是的。
Yeah.
我们真的很想你。
We've missed you.
顺便说一下,大家都知道,你休的是陪产假,但根本不是这么回事。
And just to update everybody, you've been on a paternity leave for no.
不是。
No.
我提这个只是因为我觉得这可能是世界纪录了。
I I only I only bring it up because I think it's a world record.
这里写着呢,不是。
It says here no.
不是。
No.
你女儿是八年前出生的吧。
Your daughter was born, I believe, eight years ago.
她现在是大学新生。
She's a freshman in college.
哦,是吗。
Oh, yeah.
她最近怎么样?
How's she doing?
她很好。
Oh, she's great.
她过得特别好。
She's great.
不是的。
No.
你离开了一段时间了。
You've been out for a little while.
你已经出去好几个月了。
You've been out for a couple of months.
是的。
I did.
我休了一段长假,那真是再好不过了。
I took a little extended one, and it was the greatest thing.
简直太棒了。
It was fantastic.
我的意思是,我挺想你们的。
I mean, I missed you guys.
确实想。
I did.
但说实话。
But, man.
那现在怎么样?
Well, how's it going?
给咱们说说最近怎么样。
Bring us up to date.
特别好。
It's going really well.
我有充足的时间陪大女儿,那段时间真的特别美好,小女儿也很快就适应了。
I was able to spend a lot of time with my older daughter, which, you know, was kinda magical, and then my youngest daughter has just fit right in.
我知道不该太感性,但有时候,只有当那些时刻过去之后,你才意识到它们有多珍贵。
And, know, you not to get too sentimental, but you sometimes when you have those moments in your life that you know to be the best moments, but you only know it after they're done.
但这次,我当时就感觉到,这真的太棒了。
This was one I could tell when I was in that it was just amazing.
你懂的吧。
Know?
所以真的挺好的。
So It's really nice.
是的。
Yeah.
它
It
我很高兴你有那样的经历。
was I'm happy that you had that.
但同时也有点嫉妒,你花了那么多时间。
And also resentful Yeah.
你花了那么多时间。
That you took so much time.
我跟你说件事。
Let me tell you something.
嗯,有一部分原因是
Well, part of the
快乐就在于我不在场。
happiness was I wasn't here.
没错。
Exactly.
我的女儿出生时,我就陪了二十分钟。
I mean, when my daughter was born, I took twenty minutes.
我知道。
I know.
我儿子出生时,我才待了四分钟。
And when my son was born, I took four.
我还得补充一句,我是个糟糕的父亲,也是个很差劲的人。
Now let me also just add to that, I'm a terrible father and an awful human being.
其实我可以问一问的。
Could have asked.
我这么说,是觉得这就对了吗?
Am I saying this is the way to go?
你本可以申请多留点时间的。
You could have asked for some time.
我本可以申请多留点时间的。
I could have asked for some time.
对。
Yeah.
那是我的错。
That was on me.
我想我是……那是广告时间。
I think I I took a it was a commercial break.
我们当时在做深夜节目。
We were doing the late night show.
最棒的是,他根本不需要去申请假期。
The best part is he didn't even have to ask for time.
他完全可以直说他要休假。
He could've just told people he's taking time.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
我知道。
I know.
不过我想赶紧说说你的陪产假的事。
I wanna say something though about your paternity leave real quick.
对。
Mhmm.
感觉你一直在继续发布其他播客节目。
It feels like you kept releasing other podcast episodes.
是的。
Yes.
感觉你只是暂时停了一下
It feels like you took a break only
我确实是停了。
I did.
停了和你们的互动。
From us.
是的。
Yes.
我确实做了。
I did.
你把其他所有播客都录完了。
Doing all your other podcast.
那些都是在孩子出生前录的。
Those all before the baby was born.
没错。
True.
确实如此。
True story.
真的,背景里两个孩子在哭,除非其中一个是你妻子情绪崩溃了。
True two kids crying in the background, unless one of them is your wife having a nervous breakdown.
我是说,你经常在节目中提到当天的新闻,当时我还举着
I'm And you often referred to the day's news as you were I held up
每次录制时都拿着一份报纸。
a newspaper during each recording.
是的。
Yeah.
你主持的时候还边走边聊。
As you were hosting wall walking.
你是说,你知道的吧?
You were you know?
首先呢,
I mean, first of all
墙上走路?
Wall walking.
我们也许可以搞个婴儿走路的环节。
You We might do baby walking.
哦。
Oh.
不是。
No.
听我说。
Listen.
我明白。
I understand.
那些才是更重要的。
Those are more those are priority
把它们录下来。
record them.
我所做的只是
All I did
抱着宝宝看了很多二战电影和《肮脏的哈里》电影。
was watch World War two movies and Dirty Harry movies with my baby while I held her
抱着她。
up.
我觉得这对小女孩来说是最好的了。
I think that's the best thing for a little baby girl
能听到这些。
to be hearing.
他可投入了。
He was into it.
让我开心一下吧,小混混。
Make my day, punk.
还有很多人被炸得飞起来。
And lots of people getting blowed up.
对正在发育的小脑瓜来说,再好不过了。
Was a great thing for a little forming brain.
对我来说,那就是天堂。
It was heaven for me.
当那个指甲开始封住的时候。
As that font nail is starting to seal.
它在跳动
It was pulsing
我们看着的时候。
while we were watching it.
是的。
Yeah.
太疯狂了。
It was crazy.
好吧。
Alright.
我有几个问题。
I have some questions.
对。
Yeah.
你最小的女儿叫什么名字?
How is your your youngest daughter's name is
你是在说内尔吗?
You talking about Nell?
内尔,那个气味?
Nell the smell?
哦。
Oh.
哦,我还以为是
Oh, I thought
我以为你会去内尔那儿。
it was I think you're gonna go so Nell.
内尔。
Nell.
是的。
Yeah.
内尔有什么不一样?
How is Nell different?
她和我大女儿简直是天差地别。
She is night and day different than my first daughter.
我大女儿性格火爆又活泼,特别搞笑,特别疯。
My first daughter is this wonderful tempest, like, just so funny, so crazy.
对。
Mhmm.
Nell一出生就是笑嘻嘻的。
Nell just came out, smile.
每次见到她,都是满脸笑容,安安静静地坐着。
Every time you see her, just a big smile, she just sits there.
她就像一根木头上坐着的小福星。
She's a wonderful little lump on the log.
两个孩子各具特色,反而让她们的差异显得格外可爱。
So we got one of each, which kinda magnifies their differences in such a wonderful way.
我也说不清楚。
I don't know.
我就是觉得特别好。
It's I just feel great.
我觉得自己很幸运。
I feel lucky.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
首先,你进来了,
It's and and first of all, you have you came in.
你看起来特别开心。
You seem seem very happy.
你身上是不是有种特别的光彩?
You've got that kind of doesn't he he not have a glow?
你确实有那种光彩。
You do have a glow.
嗯,我
Well, I
生了孩子。
birthed the children.
哦,你知道吗?
Oh, did you know?
这是产后那种光彩。
It's the postpartum glow.
是的。
Yeah.
明白了。
Okay.
听起来挺有意思的。
Well, that sounds fun.
是的。
Yeah.
所以他休了那么长的陪产假。
That's why he had such a long paternity leave.
是的。
Yes.
对不起,马特。
He sorry, Matt.
你可以把这段剪掉。
You can edit this out
如果你愿意的话。
if you want to.
他之前我们坐在一起的时候提过,但我记不清他是怎么说的了。
He did say when we were sitting around earlier, he did say that I forget how rephrase it.
这次他比第一次怀孕时胖了一点。
This time around, he gained a little more weight than the first time.
对。
Mhmm.
我们当时在想,是针对你的怀孕吗?
And we were like, for your pregnancies?
或者
Or
我正想解释呢,这下你倒好,让我
I was trying to explain, and now you're gonna make me
不用。
No.
不用。
No.
我要取笑你了。
I'm gonna make fun of you.
我想听听你身体的变化。
I hear about how your body changed.
我想听听这事。
I wanna hear about this.
不行。
No.
幸亏亚当提了这事儿,你现在可真是胖得离谱。
I'm glad Adam brought this in because you're a big fat fuck now.
我是说,你们都在听呢。
He I mean, you're list you're all listening.
但你今天走路那摇摇晃晃的样子。
But when you waddled in today
一下子胖了十磅。
just put on 10 pounds.
这不离谱吗?
Isn't that crazy?
走路摇摇晃晃。
Waddled in.
十磅?
10?
你好。
Hello.
哦,不会吧。
Oh, no.
我觉得。
I think.
我不确定。
I don't know.
我本来以为。
I had
我之前看过说,你你。
read somewhere that Oh, you're you're
你还要继续走这条路啊。
gonna oh, you're still going down this road.
哦,不会吧。
Oh, no.
往前看。
Ahead.
我真不想这么做,康纳,万一是胡说八道怎么办?
Wanna I hate to do this, Conan, because what if this is just bullshit?
你说得对。
You're right.
但确实存在一种进化机制,让男性在产后暂时降低睾酮水平,这有助于让他们历史上更贴近母亲和孩子,避免离开。
But that there is this evolutionary sort of process to men in postpartum that they lose testosterone temporarily, and it's a kind of thing to keep them historically tied to the mother and child From straying.
是的。
Yeah.
避免离开。
From straying.
这种机制是长期演化出来的,因为父亲在孩子身边,有助于那些更适应环境的家族生存下来。
And it's a kind of thing that that has evolved over time in the the survival of those fittest people because the father was there with the child and the
我不是。
I'm not.
所以,我很好奇。
So so I'm so I'm curious.
这跟你有什么关系呢?据说可能会因为睾酮下降而长胖。
How does this relate to you Well, there can gaining
确实会因为睾酮降低而增加一些体重。
be some sympathy weight gained because of the loss of testosterone, apparently.
他进来了。
Walked in.
他现在胸大得吓人。
He's got huge breasts now.
我就是。
I do.
你这胸又大又在哺乳,还胖得不行。
You have huge lactating breasts, and you're a big fat fuck.
但我这么说可不是在贬低你。
And I don't mean either of those in a derogatory way.
不。
No.
不。
No.
不。
No.
不。
No.
大胖子还长着奶子。
Big fat fuck with titties.
但你走路摇摇晃晃的时候
But when you waddled when you waddled
走进来的时候,真他妈的。
in here fuck.
穿着D罩杯走进来,我当时就进来了,我准备好谈条件了。
Waddled in here wearing his his d cup, I was I did come in, I'm ready to bargain.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
你确实胖了一点,不过看起来还是挺好的。
But but So you gained some weight, but you you still look good.
谢谢。
Thanks.
你觉得你的睾酮水平下降了吗?
I don't feel Do you think do you feel like your testosterone levels had dropped?
你是说我现在在外面到处追着人跑?
You mean am I out there just hounding it?
追着人跑?
Hounding it?
让我想想。
Let's see.
是说在猛攻吗
Pound is it pounding
真的在猛攻吗?
it, though?
没有。
No.
我倒是容易一直紧盯着不放。
I tend to hound.
明白了。
Okay.
好。
Alright.
行。
Fine.
猛攻它。
Pounding it.
拼命向债权人争取更多时间。
Pounding his creditors for more time.
是的。
Yeah.
这正是我的意思。
That's what I mean.
是的。
Yeah.
哦,我确实一直在紧追不舍。
Oh, I'm hounding it alright.
你再说一遍?
You're doing what?
我不这么认为。
Don't I think so.
我的意思是,我最近情绪上确实有点失控,不过是一种挺好的状态。
I mean, I've been certainly been like a sentimental mess in a in a sort of like good way.
你懂的吧。
You know?
每一件事都会以一种特别温柔的方式让我感动。
It's just every single thing knocks me down in a like kinda sweet way.
那挺好的。
Well, that's nice.
是啊,没错。
Well, yeah.
我从来没经历过。
I don't think I've ever had
我正想说,你没有吗?
I was gonna say, did you No.
你觉得自己睾酮水平下降了吗?
Do you feel like your testosterone dipped?
没有?
No?
首先,不是这样的。
Well, first of all No.
在你孩子出生之后。
After your kids were born.
我不是在问这个。
I'm not asking
我岳母帕姆,愿她安息,曾经提起过,我记得有一次我谈到自己觉得这些年变得更明智了。
a My mother-in-law, Pam, god rest her soul, she did say I remembered once sort of talking about how I think I've grown wiser over the years.
我不像以前那么激烈了。
I'm not as intense as I used to be.
我二十岁、三十岁、四十岁的时候特别专注、特别有干劲,我说我觉得自己在成熟,可她呢,你知道,她对这些事特别有经验,她直接说:不对。
I was very focused and very driven in my twenties and thirties and forties, and I said, I think I'm maturing, and she just, you know, she was an expert in these matters, and she just said, no.
不对。
No.
不对。
No.
你的睾酮水平下降了。
Your testosterone level has dropped.
我本来想把这一切都归功于变聪明了,可她却说,不是这么回事。
Like, I was trying to credit it all to wisdom, and she was like, no.
不是。
No.
不是。
No.
你体内那种混蛋能量,就是没那么多了。
You just have less of that, you know, asshole juice running through your body.
你看,我经历过男性怀孕。
See, I went through a male pregnancy.
他经历了更年期。
He went through menopause.
对。
Yeah.
挺酷的。
That's cool.
确实如此。
Did.
对。
Yeah.
那挺好。
Well, that's nice.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得我还没体会到那种情感。
I I don't think that I got the sentimentality.
我还在等那一部分呢。
I'm I'm waiting for that part.
你懂的。
You know?
我从不那么感性。
I don't get all mushy.
真的吗?
Don't really?
到什么时候?
Over?
说实话,当
Honestly When
一提到你的孩子,不会。
it comes to your kids, No.
就是当我看到那些深夜的老视频时。
Just when I see old clips of late night.
哦,
Oh,
天啊。
god.
我一看见他和阿尔·罗克尔在一起,就忍不住感叹。
I'm like, oh, look at him with Al Roker.
1994年。
1994.
阿尔·罗克尔。
Al Roker.
不会吧。
No.
真的不会。
No.
我确实有这种感觉。
I do.
我真的有。
I I do.
我是说,真的。
I'm Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我不是那个意思。
I don't yeah.
我只是随便说说。
Well, I'm just saying stuff.
不过,首先我真的很高兴你回来了。
But I think but, yeah, I am very first of all, very glad you're back.
哦,我也很高兴。
Oh, I'm glad
能回来真好。
to be back.
是的。
Yeah.
因为你知道,你在这档节目里是非常重要的声音。
Because you are a very important voice here on this show, as you know.
我说这话可不是在开玩笑或者讽刺你。
And I say that with with no ridicule or jokes attached to it.
也不是在认真对待。
Or seriousness.
也不是带着严肃或真诚的态度。
Or seriousness or real honesty.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
不是的。
No.
但我们真的特别开心。
But we're really happy.
我特别高兴能回来。
I am so glad to be back.
我真的很想你们。
I did miss you guys.
我走的时候还在剪辑节目,
I edited the show while I
我离开期间,听你们说话,感觉就像我还在这儿一样,声音一个劲儿往我这儿涌。
was gone, so it was really interesting to hear you guys kinda feel like I was there in a one way sorta way, where it was just coming at me.
你有没有过,刚想插一句你那招牌的‘pip’,结果发现自己只是在听,根本插不上话?
Were you ever coming in with your patented pip, but then realizing that you were just listening to us and you couldn't participate?
当然有。
Of course.
我身上没带现金,但我打算做一张一百美元的假钞,想寄给爱德华多,
And I don't have any actual cash with me, but I'm making a $100 bill that I would like to send to Eduardo for his little bitch putting
为他那个小家伙把你教训了一顿。
you in your place.
太好了。
Yay.
没错。
That's right.
那真是播客里一个经典瞬间。
Well, that was an iconic moment in the podcast It was.
埃杜阿尔多叫我小婊子的时候。
When Eduardo called me little bitch.
对啊。
Yeah.
你知道吗?
And you know what?
有人说我们国家分裂得厉害。
Some people say our country is terribly divided.
这一下反而让全国团结起来了。
Unified the country.
没错。
Yeah.
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所有人。
Everyone.
不管你来自红州还是蓝州,不管你是挺特派还是反特派,
I don't care if you're a red state, blue state, you know, Trumper, never Trumper.
所有人都说:没错。
Everyone said, yes.
那家伙真是个懦夫。
That guy's a little bitch.
对。
Yeah.
全美国的人都在那一刻站在一起,真是动人的一刻。
Everybody It was a beautiful moment.
确实很暖心,真的很暖心。
It was a really sweet definitely sweet.
整个国家的人都在听,说着‘懦夫’和‘大混蛋’,还有那些话。
Everybody in the country listening to little bitch and big fat fuck with dem titties.
是的
Yeah.
大胖子
Big fat fuck
带着那些广播
with dem radio.
是的
Yeah.
我们把人们凝聚在一起,是的
We bring people together Yeah.
用我们独特的真相方式
With our special brand of the truth.
我们能不能特别感谢一下戴维·霍平,他专程赶来支持珊瑚?
Can we give a very special thank you to David Hopping for coming covered for corals?
戴维表现得非常好
David was fantastic.
是的。
Yeah.
因为我负责剪辑,有一阵子我真觉得,他们根本不需要我。
Because I edited, and I, at a time, was just like, they don't they don't need me.
他很棒。
He's great.
你懂我的意思吧?
You know what I mean?
他特别强硬。
He's very tough.
不。
No.
说实话,大卫这人,我得一点一点地受着。
He was I won't have I mean, David, I can take in small doses.
而且你也知道,我是真心喜欢大卫的。
And you know I love David.
是的
Yeah.
但他每次聊天都会扯到希拉里·达夫。
But he works Hilary Duff into every conversation.
我就听着。
And and I listen.
我喜欢希拉里·达夫。
I I I like Hilary Duff.
我巴不得她能来咱们播客做客。
I'd gladly have her here on the pod.
对。
Yes.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
只要我们把彼此之间那点法律上的事解决了。
Whenever we clear up whatever legal thing we have between us.
好的。
Okay.
不过没错,他真是对希拉里·达夫着了迷。
But but, yeah, he is so obsessed with Hillary Duff.
我能不能真心说一句,所有这些工作其实都是我妻子做的?
Can I just shout out, in all honesty, my wife who who did all the work, obviously, for for all of this?
她表现得太棒了,而且……
She's been amazing, and so
阿曼达,还有那两个女孩。
Amanda, the two girls.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
阿曼达,你太太,长得漂亮,又很有才华。
Amanda, your wife, very beautiful, very talented.
你真是有福气。
You're a lucky man.
是啊。
I am.
老天,你真是有福气。
Man, you're lucky.
对。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
等等,先别急。
Well, hold on.
天哪。
Jesus Christ.
你这纯粹是运气好。
You just kind of lucked out.
是这个吗?
Is this?
我只是想说。
Well, I'm just saying
你这么说,听起来有点瘆人。
It's kinda creepy the way you're saying.
我只是想说,当他提到的时候,
Oh, I'm just saying when he said,
哦,得去见见我的妻子。
oh, gotta meet my finishing.
他说要我见见他老婆的时候,我还以为会是个画了脸的扫把呢。
When he said, you gotta meet my wife, I thought it was gonna be like a broom with a face painted on it.
她叫阿曼达。
Her name's Amanda.
跟她说声你好,阿曼达。
Say hi, Amanda.
呵呵。
Ho ho.
我的天啊,拜托。
I mean, come on.
戈利的妻子。
Gorley's wife.
这倒也没错。
That's fair.
结果一个绝色美女走了过来。
And this total smokeshow comes walking around.
她真的太漂亮了。
She's she's gorgeous.
就是同一个
The same
你也是同样的情况。
the same could be said for you too.
我的意思是,你们俩都挺出风头的。
I mean, both of you are really punching up.
是的。
Yes.
对。
Yeah.
我说真的,不是故意冒犯,但天啊,
I will I mean, no offense, but oh my god,
你们俩都在出风头。
are Both you punching of you.
人们以为丽莎见过你,就是丽莎去探望过我,
People think that Liza met you know, that Liza visited me in
在医院。
the hospital.
你这话是什么意思?
What do you mean?
他们就觉得是碰巧出了意外,我才有了这个女人。
They just think some total accident happened, and that's how I got this woman.
明白吗?
Know?
她当时在那儿,结果莫名其妙就结婚了。
She was there and then accidentally got married.
她失忆了,你出现后就说:我是你丈夫。
She had amnesia, you came in and went, I'm your husband.
对。
Yeah.
就是这样。
Exactly.
幸好我找到了你。
Thank God I found you.
是的
Yeah.
而且你觉得我挺帅的。
And you think I'm handsome.
对。
Yes.
咱们俩都是挺幸运的男人。
We're both very lucky men.
没错。
Yes.
你确实如此。
You are.
而且呢,作为这么幸运的人,你已经是个丈夫了。
And you know, so as a lucky fella, you're a husband.
战术家。
Tacticsian.
是的。
Yeah.
我简直不敢相信我居然会说出‘Tacticsian’这种话。
I can't believe I'm saying Tacticsian now.
Tact Tact。
Tact Tact.
Tact。
Tact.
你连他姓什么都不知道,对吧?
You don't even know his last name, do
对。
No.
他姓贝罗安。
It's Beroian.
是的。
Yeah.
是谁啊?
Who is it?
不是。
No.
是Tacticsian。
It's Tacticsian.
不是Tacticsian。
It's not Tacticsian.
不过呢。
But yeah.
对。
Yeah.
不管怎样,现在这情况挺好的,我就想咱们还是回到正题吧。
Anyway, this is getting really nice and everything, so I just wanna get us back to Yeah.
说重点,行吗?
Ground Okay?
请吧。
Please do.
你真差劲。
You suck.
你讲得太久了。
You were way too long.
我胖。
I'm fat.
你是个胖混蛋。
You're a fat fuck.
你是个胖男人。
You're a fat guy.
胖男人。
Fat guy.
得减减肥了。
Gotta lose the weight.
是的。
Yeah.
你丈夫的名字叫Tacticsian。
Your husband's name's Tacticsian.
你声音太大了,而且也没怎么帮上我。
You're way too loud, you and don't help me as much as you should.
我觉得我们都
I think we're all
是从哪儿来的?
that come from?
为什么?
Why?
我觉得我们都,而且你还是没清干净。
I think we're all And you're still covered.
你还是是的。
You're still Yeah.
贱人。
Bitch.
不行。
No.
一、二、三。
One two three.
小贱人。
Little bitch.
不行。
No.
我做不到。
I can't.
不行。
No.
我做不到。
I can't.
我老实说,不行。
I I honestly No.
这怎么这么
Why is this so
啊?
right?
我
I
做不到。
can't do it.
你做不到?
You can't do it?
我真的一点也做不到。
I honestly could not do it.
我不知道。
I don't know.
你把我各种称呼都用过了。
You've called me everything.
你之前还真叫我过小婊子。
You actually called me a little bitch before.
我确实在这么叫过。
I'm sure I have.
我叫你混蛋、王八蛋,但我不明白为啥会用到‘小婊子’这种说法。
I've called you a dick, an asshole, but I can't I don't know why we're little bitch
就像工作保障吗?
like job security?
不是。
No.
哦。
Oh.
我觉得我刚才只是觉得,这有点太过分了。
I think I just I feel like it's it's too far.
你觉得爱德华多做得太过分了吗?
You think Eduardo went too far?
没有。
No.
我觉得他没做得太过分。
I don't think he went too far.
我觉得我要是处在他的位置,可能会做得更过火,可能是因为我
I think I would go too far, and I think it's because I
以前当了你那么久的助手。
was your assistant for so long.
真的吗?
Really?
而且我
And I
我从没见人这样过
wouldn't wanna I've never seen
这不是很奇怪吗?
this Isn't that weird?
我知道。
I know.
我不确定。
I don't know.
等一下。
Wait a minute.
你对我有点职业上的敬畏。
You have some tiny bit of professional fear of me.
确实有点。
I kinda do.
是的。
Yes.
这太不可思议了。
That's incredible.
我的意思是,他一说完,别人都笑成一团,我却吓呆了。
I mean, when he said it, everybody else was laughing, and I, like, was like, oh my god.
爱德华多。
Eduardo.
爱德华多当时吓坏了。
Eduardo was scared.
他直接回家了。
He went home.
我当时也是。
I was.
对啊。
Yeah.
他真怕事情就这么结束了。
He was really terrified that, like, it was over.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得挺好的
I feel good about
不过呢。
it, though.
然后你突然想起来了,想起我是谁了
And then you remembered and then you remembered who I
对。
am.
是的。
Yeah.
而且你回家的时候大概在想,这事要是真结束了,我也认了,但值了
Also, you probably went home thinking, it could be over for me, but if it is, totally worth
值了。
it.
是的。
Yeah.
这结局真够精彩的。
What a way to go.
没错。
Right.
全国任何地方都会抢着要你。
Anyone in the country would have hired you.
很高兴你回来。
Well, super happy to have you back.
是的。
Yep.
我们又聚在一起了。
And we've reunited.
你知道的,有部电影里有好几种石头,得把它们放进手套里,然后——
As you know, probably the there's isn't there a movie where they there's different stones, and they gotta put them in the glove and
对。
they Yeah.
你是指《夺宝奇兵3:魔宫传奇》里的尚卡尔宝石吗?
The the Shankar stones of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom?
对。
Sure.
你是在说灭霸和复仇者联盟吗?
Are you talking about Thanos and the Avengers?
我就知道这个。
I just knew that.
不是,我们在说印第安纳的
No, we're talking about Indiana's
复仇者联盟1和
Avengers I and the
我不清楚。
don't know.
有很多宝石需要聚在一起。
There's a lot of stones that need to come together.
另外,下周我又要休陪产假了。
Also, next week, I'm back on paternity leave.
好的。
Alright.
你认识我今天的嘉宾吧?她演过电视剧《新闻编辑室》和电影《X战警:天启》。
You know my guest today from the TV show, The Newsroom, and the film X Men Apocalypse.
现在你可以在Apple TV+的剧集《你的朋友和邻居》里看到她。
Now you can see her in the Apple TV plus series, Your Friends and Neighbors.
今天能请到她,我真的很高兴。
Very delighted to have her here today.
奥利维亚·穆恩,欢迎你。
Olivia Munn, welcome.
我和约翰以前就聊过这个。
John and I have talked about this before.
小时候,别说成为康南·奥布莱恩的朋友了,就连现在能坐在这儿和你聊天,都让我觉得特别不真实,回头想想简直难以置信。
Like, growing up, it's like to to even think that you'd become Conan O'Brien's friend, let alone, like, sitting here talking with you is, like, such a it's a really hard thing to go back and be like, hey.
就像有一天,
Like, one day,
你就会
you're gonna
跟柯南·奥布莱恩成为朋友。
be friends with Conan O'Brien.
这种感觉真的挺不真实的。
It's kind of it's very surreal.
这话听着真让人心里舒服。
Well, that's a very nice thing to say.
不过你得跟他多待会儿。
But Spend a little time with him.
你懂的。
You know?
对。
Yeah.
你很快就会明白的。
You'll see very quickly.
我觉得十分钟内,你就想走了。
I think in ten minutes, you'll want out.
你会特别想走。
You'll want out very badly.
不过呢,我很高兴你来了,咱们进棚之前还刚聊过呢。
But, you know, I'm I'm so happy you're here, and we were chatting just before we came in here to do the pod.
我管它叫pod,因为没时间说全称podcast。
I call it pod because there's not time to say podcast.
好的。
Okay.
你省了不少时间呢。
You saved a lot of time Yeah.
就这么一说。
With doing that.
我确实这么觉得,我们现在该结束了。
I did, and we should stop now.
不过我们刚才聊到你的情况,我能理解,我想你也懂,马特,你真的累了。
But we were chatting, and you were just talking about how which I can relate to, and I think you can relate to, Matt, but you're tired.
你累是因为你一直在照顾孩子,你自己也说了,我真的好累。
You're tired because you're you've been taking care of your kids, and you just said, I am so tired.
我当时就跟你说,相信我。
And I said, trust me.
今天的这个对话,就是给你放个假。
This podcast today is gonna be your time out.
对。
Yeah.
但你经历的,我也一样。
But you're going through the same thing.
是的。
Yeah.
新生儿。
Newborn.
我得
I gotta
什么?
What?
是的。
Yeah.
我是说,她很好。
I'm I mean, she's great.
她就是这样,我该怎么办?
She's one what do I do?
我该说话吗?
Do I talk?
对不起。
Do I I'm sorry.
这是你第一次回来。
This is your first back.
我刚休完产假,今天是第一天回来上班。
I'm still waking first day back since a maternity leave.
孩子们现在都三十多岁了。
The children are now in their thirties.
他离开已经很久了。
He's been gone for a really long time.
是的。
Yeah.
而且我觉得时间太长了。
But and I think too long.
不过这些我们以后再想办法。
But we'll we'll figure that out later.
人力资源告诉我,我不该提起这件事。
HR tells me I'm not allowed to bring it up.
但是但是
But but
天哪。
Oh my god.
但是
But
你累了。
you're you're tired.
你精疲力尽了。
You're you are exhausted.
我确实很累。
I am pretty I'm I'm really tired.
我进来的时候,约翰还说,去康南那玩得开心点。
I was like as I was as I was coming in, John was like, have fun on Conan.
我当时就说,我真的太累了。
I was like, I'm so tired.
但我真的很兴奋能来这里,因为我在想,我们这四年里生了四个孩子。
But I'm so excited to be here because I was saying, like, like, our they're four in nineteen months.
最让人没想到的是,大家都聚在一起的时候,我们都乐意帮忙,我妈妈和继父也来帮忙,我们就想跟他们一起经历这些麻烦事儿。
And this crazy thing is that, like, when everyone's there and, like, we're happy to help and be there to help, my mom is there to help too and my stepdad, like, we wanna be in the mess, you know, just be in it with them.
可问题就在于,这么一来,我们自己这边就什么都没剩下了。
And the the problem is is that just leaves us with nothing on the other side.
所以我们上班时拼命付出,回到家还得什么事都自己扛。
So, like, we're giving to our work, then we come home, and it's like, we can do it all ourselves.
我们就是这样,我真的觉得……
We and it's just and I just
我没有这种本能。
I don't have that instinct.
哦。
Oh.
我回家的时候特别开心,因为我们请了不少帮手。
When I come home, I'm very happy to say because I have we have a lot of help.
我有八个管家。
I have I have eight butlers.
这完全是我的情况。
That's just me.
我身边有人随时伺候着我。
I have I have people that carry me.
哦。
Oh.
所以是这样的。
So yeah.
从洗手间到另一个洗手间,都有人陪着。
From the toilet to my other toilet.
而且我——
And I
我经常上厕所。
I go to the bathroom a lot.
是的
Yeah.
哦,我
Oh, I'm
总是从一个厕所跑到另一个?
constantly one to the other?
对
Yes.
根本停不下来。
There's no stopping.
其他地方也一样。
Well, anywhere else.
他们抬着的小车上面还带个厕所。
And there's a toilet on the little chariot they carry on.
是的
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我总是
I'm constantly
但我的意思是,
but my By way,
如果真是这样,我觉得你确实需要。
if that's what's happening, I think you need it.
是的。
Yeah.
不。
No.
不。
No.
相信我。
Trust me.
我觉得这根本不是什么虚荣心。
I don't think this is, like, vanity at all.
我觉得背后有别的原因。
I think there's going on.
你说得真好,谢谢你站在我这边,你知道吗,我老婆总说这有必要吗?
That's a really good point, and thank you for taking my side on this because, you know, my wife is always like, does this really necessary?
我就想说,你根本不知道这有多重要。
I'm like, you have no idea how necessary this is.
但我觉得问题在于,你总说我们得先融入那个圈子,孩子以后再见也不迟。
But I think that's your problem is saying we wanna be part of the you know, can meet the children later
人生在世。
in life.
你明白我的意思吧?
You know what I mean?
孩子以后见也来得及。
You can meet them later.
你是说,她的问题在于想多陪陪孩子?
You're saying her problem is that she wants to be involved with her kids.
是的。
Yeah.
这到底有什么问题?
What's that all about?
我真不明白。
I don't get it.
哦,原来如此。
Oh, okay.
明白了。
Okay.
这意味着
That means
像温斯顿·丘吉尔这样的人,小时候是庄园里的人带大的,后来才被带到父母面前见上一面——我说的是认真的。
People like Winston Churchill, he was raised by people on the estate, and then he was, like, brought to meet his parents at a certain I'm I'm so serious.
他们就说,来吧。
They're like, come.
该去见你爸爸了。
It's time to go meet your father.
你好,波特。
Hello, Potter.
说真的,这事儿挺怪的。
You know, it was a weird thing.
你的孩子都直接叫你的名字,
Your children call you by your first name,
是吧?
don't they?
你好,康纳。
Hello, Conan.
对。
Yes.
这感觉有点瘆人。
It's creepy.
康纳。
Conan.
康纳先生。
Mister Conan.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
是的。
Yeah.
挺随意的,但又有点正式。
But It's casual, but still, like, formal.
特别随意。
Super casual.
是的。
Yeah.
我只是觉得,每一个小小的瞬间,我和约翰都特别容易被自己的童年勾起共鸣。
I just think, like, every little moment just like I think that John and I connect so much to our own childhoods.
我们对童年的记忆都很鲜明,看到孩子的时候,总能看见自己当年的影子。
Like, we have such distinct memories of what our childhoods were like, and and we see our children and ourselves so much.
所以每次发生点什么事,有趣的是,马尔科姆一有举动,我和他都会立刻想起自己小时候,但反应却完全不同,全凭各自的成长经历。
So I think it's like every time we are like, the funny thing is, like, Malcolm will do something, and then he and I will both have a John and will both have a different reaction based on, like, what our childhood is.
有时候我们的反应差别还挺大的。
And sometimes they're very we're very different.
他是爱尔兰天主教家庭出身。
He's Irish Catholic.
对。
Yep.
典型的白领家庭。
You know, white collar family.
我是在一个军人家庭长大的,我的
And then I grew up in a military family with, like, my
妈妈。
my mom.
她是越南难民。
A Vietnamese refugee refugee.
是的。
Yes.
没错。
Yes.
对。
Mhmm.
对。
Mhmm.
对吧?
Right?
对吧?
Right?
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是1975年来到这里的。
Who came here in 1975.
战争结束的那天。
The day the war ended.
天哪。
Oh my god.
她是坐最后一艘撤离的船出来的。
It was out on the the last the last the last boats out.
而且
And and
所以你的背景跟约翰·穆拉尼那种爱尔兰天主教家庭完全不一样。
So you have a completely different frame of reference than than John Mulaney, Irish Catholic.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
前几天,马尔科姆就问,咱们为啥不能做这件事呢?
So, like, we like, the other day, like, he like, Malcolm was like, why can't we do this thing?
约翰就说,哦,因为现在关门了。
And and and John was like, oh, well, because it's closed now.
所有地方都关门了。
Everything is closed.
我当时也在想,其实是我们自己决定不做了,然后我们俩对视了一眼,都在琢磨:到底该走哪条路?
And then I was like at the same time, was going, well, because we've decided that we're not going to do that because and then and we both looked at each other going like, which one do we which way do we go?
到底该怎么做啊?
Like, which what what do we do?
把你们的说法统一起来。
Have your story straight.
我们没统一过。
We did not.
我们经常这样。
And we do that a lot.
然后其中一个人会慢慢开始放慢语速,那就是信号——跟着他说的走,不管是谁。
And then then one of us will kinda start start to talk slower, and that's the one that's the cue to be like, we followed that person, whoever.
我会说:不行。
So I'll be like, no.
我们其实说的是,因为关门了,今天不去,但明天去。
It was you know, we it's closed, so we're not gonna go today, but we're gonna go tomorrow.
然后我们就说:哦,行吧。
And then we're like, oh, okay.
我不会
I don't
所以你的孩子现在觉得你就是骗子。
So your kids now think you're just liars.
就是这样
That's what
我的意思是你的
my that's your
育儿就是这样。
parenting is.
对。
Yeah.
我的大个子又来了。
My giant again.
她也有双胞胎。
She has twins as well.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得我们三个的孩子年龄都差不多。
I think I think the three of us have kids that are around the same age.
是的。
Yeah.
都是四岁。
Four year olds.
我儿子七月份就五岁了。
My boys turn five in July.
你家的是十月份。
Yours is in October.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得马尔科姆是四岁。
And I think Malcolm four.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
去年十一月底刚满四岁。
Just turned four at the end of November.
好的。
Okay.
我以前常跟孩子们说,是奥巴马取消了这个。
So I used to tell our kids that Obama canceled it.
我是认真的。
I'm serious.
我以前就这么说。
I used to do that.
我还跟他们讲,奥巴马把这事给取消了。
I used to tell them, you know, Obama canceled it.
这就是我们没法做的原因。
That's why we can't do it.
他们说,什么?
And they they said, what?
我说,对啊。
And I said, yeah.
CNN上播过。
It was on CNN.
我觉得是我女儿问,那是什么?
And my I think it was my daughter said, what is that?
康纳胡说八道台?
The Conan Nonsense Network?
哦。
Oh
天哪。
my god.
我当时就说,行吧。
And I was like, okay.
这招现在不管用了。
Well, this doesn't work anymore.
现在是共和党人了。
Republicans now.
她那时候。
She was
她说那话的时候才两岁。
two when she said that.
是啊。
Yeah.
我昨天刚跟约翰说过这话。
I just said that to John just yesterday.
我跟他说了我妈妈以前跟我说过的一句话,特别随意,也没什么大不了的。
I was talking about something that my mom had said to me that was so, like, flippant and innocuous.
她根本没在认真想。
She wasn't even thinking.
我知道那时候她觉得那没什么大不了的。
I know at that time she didn't think it was anything.
但她说的那句话,我知道是假的。
But what she said, I knew was a lie.
就像我五岁的时候,她总是说些无关紧要的小谎。
Because it was just like when I was a five year old, you know, she was like, oh, whatever it was was just like a little lie.
是的。
Mhmm.
就在那一刻,我明白了,从那以后,我不再相信妈妈说的每一句话了,我知道她不会总是说实话。
And I and it I know in that moment, it course the the course changed from being like, I believe everything my mother says to being like, oh, you're just you're not gonna be telling the truth about things.
对。
Right.
对。
Right.
然后我再以一个成年人的眼光看自己。
And then I look at myself as an adult.
我会想,妈妈什么都知道。
I'll be like, mom my mom knows everything.
她真烦人。
She's so annoying.
她什么都知道。
She knows everything.
她永远都是对的。
She's always right.
可我还是会说,不对。
And yet I'll still be like, no.
因为我的第一反应就是:不对。
Because that's my my default is to be like, no.
因为我记得,那一切对我而言是什么时候开始改变的。
Because I remember when it all changed for me.
你撒过一次谎,我就再也无法相信你了。
You lied one time, and I can never trust you again.
小时候嘛,你知道的,我跟约翰说,我们根本不知道什么时候就在创造重要的回忆。
Well, when think as a kid, like, you know, I said to John, we never know when we're creating a core memory.
我妈妈说过的一些话、做过的一些事,她自己根本不会记得。
So like, there's things that my mom said and did that she will never ever be like, I remember that.
那是在八十年代的时候。
Because there was one time when it's like in the eighties.
对吧?
Right?
我妈妈会让我和我妹妹——我继妹,跟我同龄——放学回家后午睡,然后我听见门关上了。
So my mom would had us my sister and I, my stepsister, same age as me, came home from school, puts us to nap, and then I hear the door close.
我往窗外看。
And I look outside.
我走进客厅,看见她正开着房车离开车道。
I go into the living room, and she's in the van pulling out of the driveway.
家里就我们俩,别人都不会回来。
We're nobody else is gonna be home.
你就是一个人在家。
We're like You're alone.
才四岁啊。
At four years old.
但那是八十年代,那时候大人真敢把孩子一个人扔家里。
But this is the eighties when you could, like, you know, leave your kid at home.
出门办点事,转头就回来了。
You go run and come back.
我冲出去又哭又喊。
And I ran out crying and screaming.
我以为她把我们扔下了。
Well, I thought she was leaving us.
她还挺不耐烦的。
And she's annoyed.
现在她得回去了。
Now she's gotta go back.
她就说,哦,好吧。
She's like, oh, okay.
快回屋里去。
Get back in the house.
然后她就那样,我当时真的特别困惑。
And then she's just being like and then I was so confused.
她怎么又生我的气了?
Like, now she's annoyed with me.
我做错什么了吗?
Did I do something wrong?
她丢下我一个人走了,那情景成了我记忆里特别深刻的一刻。
But she was leaving me, and it was just and that became such a core memory for
就算在八十年代,这也太离谱了。
old even for the eighties.
是的
Yeah.
这已经很不错了。
That's pretty good.
七十年代可能不算,但在
Not for the seventies, but for
八十年代就挺好的。
the eighties.
是的
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
那时候我们开皮卡,也经常坐在后面的平板货厢里。
But we used to also, in the pickup trucks, like, you know, sit in the back of the flatbed.
是的
Yeah.
但在货车中间那个凸起的地方,我们可以坐在那儿,就这么免费搭车跑高速。
But on the hump where the the wheel is, we can sit in there, like, just, you know, a free ride through the highways.
那时候没人会因此惹上麻烦。
Like, one no one got in trouble then.
那是个不一样的年代。
It was a different time.
是啊。
Yeah.
回想我七十年代长大的那些事,我现在都觉得很不可思议。
I'm amazed at the things that we did in the when I was growing up in the seventies.
有时候,我好几个月都见不着父母一面。
I just you know, sometimes I wouldn't see my parents for months at a time.
是啊。
Yeah.
他们就留给我一张地图和一枚金币。
I was left with just a map and a gold coin.
我懂。
I know.
我就说,
I just you
你一个人在荒野里走上三天,
go on a full walkabout for three days at your
回来自个儿就晒得黑乎乎、满身尘土。
hometown and just come back tan and dirty.
在内陆地区。
In the outback.
是啊。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
我完全能理解约翰,咱们背景相似,也都痴迷喜剧。
I can relate obviously to John and I have similar, you know, kind of lineage, and we're both comedy obsessives.
他是不是总想把任何事都变成一段搞笑段子?
Is he always trying to turn something into a comedic riff?
他在家也会这样吗?还是没那么频繁?
Is that is that something he does at at home or not so much?
不会。
No.
我觉得他不太会这样,但肯定有,因为我看过他的表演。
I can't see him doing it, but it must be happening because I'll be watching it.
其实我直到最近才看过他的单口喜剧。
Like, I'll I haven't seen his stand up until recently.
我们当时在伦敦。
We're in London.
我看了之后就想,你早就把这些都记下来了吧?
I watched it, and I was like, you've been, like, clocking all of this?
核心记忆。
Core memories.
你正在创造珍贵的回忆。
You're making core memories.
每一件事都是。
Everything
每一件事都是。
is a core memory.
每一件事都是。
Everything.
他的最新专场叫《珍贵回忆》。
His latest special is called core memories.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
不是。
No.
就是这样的。
It's yeah.
但我注意到他身上有一件事,你作为喜剧演员可能会有同感,我现在才看出来。
Because but I have noticed something with him that you might relate to as, like, a comedian because I've now I see it now with him.
对。
Mhmm.
前几天马尔科姆好像也说过类似的话。
Is that like, Malcolm said something the other day too, I think.
每当特别好笑的时候,他却没什么大反应。
And and when something's really funny, he there's not a big reaction.
就只是轻轻说一句,哦,是啊。
It's just like, oh, yeah.
嗯,没错。
Uh-huh.
因为他的大脑已经在脑子里默默记下来了,就像在写笔记一样。
And because his brain is already it's almost like he's writing it down in a notebook in his head.
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