与杰克互动

欢迎来到VDOT O2，一个对话节奏的播客。

Welcome to VDOT O2, a conversation pace.

这是我们第一期节目。

This is our first episode.

我们非常兴奋地推出这个新的播客。

We're excited to launch this new podcast.

我叫布莱恩·罗塞蒂。

My name is Brian Rosetti.

我是VDOT O2的创始人，这是一个面向所有水平跑者的训练平台。

I'm the founder of VDOT O2, coaching platform for runners of all levels.

在这个播客中，我们将为您带来那些在跑步运动中留下印记的运动员和教练背后的故事，探讨促成他们踏上这段旅程的背景、时机与境遇，发现他们成功的秘诀或激励他们的关键因素，深入了解这些杰出人物的内心世界。

In this podcast, we're gonna bring you the stories behind athletes and coaches who've made a mark in the sport of running, cover the circumstances, timing, and situations that led them on this journey, discover the keys to their success or inspire them along the way, gain insights into the minds of these exceptional individuals.

今天，我们首先邀请的是我们应用背后的那个人，传奇人物，丹尼尔斯博士。

Today, we're leading off with the man behind our app, the legend, Dr.

杰克·丹尼尔斯。

Jack Daniels.

杰克是VDOT O2的合作伙伴。

Jack is a partner in VDOT O2.

他是我们应用背后的发明家和科学家。

He's the inventor scientist behind our app.

正如我所说，这个公式是基于VDOT配速和等效表现的。

As I said, the formula is power the VDOT paces and equivalent performances.

你们中的许多人已经熟悉杰克，了解他作为奥运选手和运动科学家的背景。

Many of you already know Jack and his background as an Olympian, an exercise scientist.

过去十二年里，我们有幸在线上教练领域与他合作，如今在VDOT O2继续合作。

We've been fortunate enough to work with him the past twelve years in the online coaching space and now at VDOT O2.

在本集中，我联系了杰克，想知道他在这段动荡时期过得怎么样。

In this episode, I check-in with Jack to see how he's holding up during this tumultuous time.

他下个月就满87岁了。

He's turning 87 next month.

我们聊了聊他的日常安排、在纽约州北部铲雪、体育教育，以及他为何成为跑步教练。

We talk about his daily routine, shoveling snow in Upstate New York, physical education, why he became a running coach.

和往常一样，与杰克的对话总能带来一些关于赛前准备的绝佳建议，无论是心理上的准备、正确的热身方式，还是如何在比赛中合理配速。

As always with Jack, the conversation leads to some great tips on preparing, whether it's from mentally for races, warming up properly, how to pace well in races.

在本播客节目中，我们将持续与杰克保持联系，深入探讨他新近出版的自传，让他亲自讲述自己的故事。

Over the course of the podcast, in this show, we'll be checking in with Jack, getting into his recently released autobiography and really letting him tell his story.

他是一座故事与智慧的宝库，我们希望能尽可能多地与大家分享这些内容。

He's a treasure trove of stories and wisdom and we wanna share as much of that as possible with you guys.

以下是《对话配速》与博士的首期节目。

Here's the first ever episode of Conversation Pace with Doctor.

杰克·丹尼尔斯。

Jack Daniels.

希望你们喜欢。

I hope you enjoy.

嗨，杰克。

Hey Jack.

是的。

Yeah.

你到了。

You made it.

我到了吗？

Did I make it?

是的，你上线了。

Yeah, you're on.

好，听起来不错。

Good, sounds good.

我们

We

做到了。

did it.

是的，我永远记不得是怎么做到的，但我确实做到了。

Yeah, I'll never remember how but I did it.

最近怎么样？

How's it going?

你现在在你家楼上，对吧？

You're upstairs at your house now, right?

玉米？

Corn?

是的，没错。

Yeah, that's right.

我很好，除了在外面铲雪的时候。

How are you Except when I'm outside shoveling the snow.

你们那边下了多少雪？

How much snow have you guys been getting?

昨晚下了一场又重又湿的雪。

We had a heavy wet snow last night.

我花了两个小时才铲完我们家的车道。

Took me two hours to shovel our driveway.

哦，天哪。

Oh, no.

有多少英寸？

How many inches?

不多，只有几英寸，但雪很湿，所以特别重。

Not much, only a couple, but so wet that it was really heavy.

今年好像没下多少雪，对吧？

Has that been it doesn't sound like you got too much this year, right?

跟去年比呢？

Compared to last?

没有，我们没下多少雪。

No, we didn't get a lot of snow.

只是时不时下一点。

It just came now and then.

是的。

Yeah.

现在是不是经常铲雪了？

Pretty used to shoveling these days, right?

这是一次很好的锻炼。

It's a good workout.

那些在科特兰的年头。

Those years in Cortland.

铲雪的关键是什么？

What's the key with snow shoveling?

关键是什么？

What's the key?

从技巧上来说。

Like technique wise.

你需要几种不同类型的铲子。

Well, you gotta have a couple of different types of shovels.

有些铲子太大了，一次推太多雪，有些则必须用小一点的。

Some of them are too big to they push too much snow at one time, some of them you have to use little ones.

是的，这很好。

Yeah, that's great.

这完全不会让你的背不舒服吗？

And it doesn't bother your back at all?

不会。

No.

哦，太好了。

Oh, that's great.

也许我运气好，我不确定。

Maybe I'm lucky, I don't know.

我只是把它看作是对手臂和背部的一次很好的锻炼。

I just look at it as a good workout on my arms and my back.

太好了。

That's great.

南希说你今天去跑步了，还是只是在铲雪？

And Nancy said you came back from a run today or you were just shoveling.

你今天跑步了吗？

Did you run today or no?

是的，我去跑步了。

Yeah, I ran.

我铲完雪之后又去跑了。

Far I you gone ran after I shoveled.

真棒。

Nice.

跑了多远？

How many miles?

我平时跑两英里。

I I my usual is two miles.

两英里？

Two miles?

你家附近有环形跑道吗？

And you have a loop outside in in your neighborhood?

我有好几条不同的路线。

I have a whole bunch of different ones.

有时候我走这条街，有时候走另一条街。

Sometimes I go up one street, sometimes I go up another street.

这取决于交通状况等等。

Just depends on on the traffic and and so on.

如果我往某个方向跑，就能完全在屋顶下奔跑。

Some there's one direction if I go, then I can run completely underneath a roof.

如果下雨或者类似的情况，我可以在这栋建筑的屋檐下来回跑，完全不被淋湿。

If it's if it's raining or something like that, I can I can stay completely dry by running back and forth under this this one building's roof?

真棒。

Nice.

太好了。

That's great.

在过去一两年里，你总共跑了多远？

How much have you been running like in the last year or two?

你现在通常的跑步习惯是怎样的？

What's your usual routine at this point?

还是老样子。

It's the same old thing.

大概两英里，但我跑得一点都不快。

It's two miles about and I'm not moving fast at all.

特别慢。

Real slow.

那你平时怎么做呢，杰克？

And do you so what do you do, Jack?

一周几次？

Like, times a week?

嗯，不是的。

Well, no.

我经常能跑满七天。

I I I often get all seven days.

有时候只能跑六天，但除非天气特别差，否则我不会少于这个天数。

Sometimes I only get six, but unless I'm the only reason I'd I'd do less than that is if the weather was really bad.

但在一年中的大部分时间里，遇到天气不好的日子，我可以去附近的大学，那里有室内跑道。

But during most of the year, on the bad days, I could go over to the university here and they have an indoor track.

是的，科特兰，我看到那是个高架的室内跑道。

Yeah, Cortland I saw it's like an elevated indoor track.

对吧？

Right?

但那并不是正式的跑道。

But it's not like official track.

对吧？

Right?

它更像是一条休闲用的跑道。

It's more of like a recreational

上面是一条步道。

path It's type on there.

他们的健身中心简直不可思议。

Their fitness center is unbelievable.

是的。

Yeah.

某种程度上，这有点荒谬，因为里面的室内跑道五圈才是一英里。

In a way, it's kind of ridiculous because the indoor track in there is five laps to a mile.

那相当大。

That's pretty big.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

而且它有四条跑道，但运动队不允许在那里训练。

And it's four lanes wide, but teams are not allowed to train there.

只有学生可以用来健身。

It's only students can use it for fitness.

好的。

Okay.

你和南希会尽可能多地使用它，还是只在天气不好的时候才用？

And that's something that you and Nancy use as much as you can or just whenever the weather kind of bad?

是的，不过现在我们根本不能用了，因为那里完全关闭了。

Yeah, well, now we can't use it at all because it's all closed down.

是的，这太疯狂了。

Yeah, it's crazy.

那么，最近镇上情况怎么样？

Well, how does it, what has the town been like lately there?

你觉得外面的人更多了，还是说更多人待在家里？

Do you feel like more people outside or excuse me, more people are staying inside?

你觉得人们有在听吗？还是自从你出去后一直很安静？

Do you feel like people are listening or has it been quiet since you've been out?

我觉得他们似乎更倾向于待在家里。

I think that it seems a little more like they're staying in.

好的。

Okay.

我很少看到外面有人。

I don't see many people outside.

我觉得在过去两周里，我没见过两个人戴口罩。

I I don't think I've seen two people in the last two weeks wearing a mask.

好的。

Okay.

他们好像就是想做什么就做什么，我不知道他们在家里到底在干什么。

So they they seem to just do what they wanna do and I I don't know what they're doing in their house.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

你刚才说你最近商店怎么样？

And you said that you recently what were the stores like?

到目前为止，你基本上只出去跑步或者买食物，对吧？

You've only been out pretty much to run or or get food, right, at this point?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这完全是唯一的原因，也许只是为了买点食物或者厕纸，但他们的商店里厕纸已经完全卖光了。

That's the only reason at all is maybe to get some food or buy some toilet tissue which their stores are completely out of.

这太疯狂了。

That's crazy.

我还买了纸巾。

And and I got paper towels.

食物价格还算合理，而且看起来他们几乎有你平时想买的所有东西。

Food is is reasonable, and it seemed like they got just about all the things you'd normally wanna buy.

所以你去的时候，货架上并没有被清空吗？

So the shelves when you were there, the shelves weren't cleared out?

只有厕纸的货架被清空了。

Just the shelves in the toilet tissue.

哦，天哪。

Like, oh, wow.

一点都没有。

There were none.

难以置信。

Unbelievable.

我想你得先买这个，再买食物。

I guess you need that before food.

我不知道。

I don't know

到底发生了什么。

what's going on.

至于食物，如果你愿意吃点冷冻食品，几乎想要什么都能买到。

Well, the food situation, if you're willing to eat some frozen stuff, you can have just about anything you want.

你可以买到蔬菜、水果、肉类。

You can have vegetables, you can have fruit, you can have meat.

是的

Yeah.

随便吧

Whatever.

杰克，波特兰这个小镇有多大啊？

How big is the town in Portland again, Jack?

人口是多少？

Population?

没多大。

It's not real big.

大概两万人左右吧。

It's about 20,000 probably.

好的。

Okay.

而且我好多年没查过了。

But and I haven't looked I haven't looked it up in years.

我只记得我刚来这儿的时候，人口大约是2万，其中6000人是学生。

All I remember is when I first came here, they had about 20,000 and about 6,000 of them were students.

6000名学生。

6,000 students.

在大学里。

At the university.

自从你教他们以来，人口增长了很多吗？

Has it grown a lot since then since you were coaching them?

没有。

No.

没有。

No.

一点都没增长。

Not at all.

有意思。

Interesting.

但是

But

是的，你说吧。

yeah, go ahead.

我刚搬来的时候，我觉得来这里学习的学生中有一半都主修体育教育。

The number of when I first moved here, I think about half of all the students who came here to study were majoring in physical education.

对，那是他们的强项，对吧？

Yeah, that's their specialty, right?

问题是，我刚来之后的十到十五年里，州内的高中不再将体育教育设为一门课程。

Well, problem is that over the next ten or fifteen years after I first came here, the high schools in the state quit offering physical education as a subject.

所以没有工作机会。

So there were no jobs.

如果你主修体育教育，毕业后根本找不到工作。

If you were a PE major, you couldn't get a job when you graduated.

现在正努力稍微恢复一些。

Trying to build it back up a little bit now.

但整个美国的高中体育教育都面临困境。

But the whole United States is in trouble on high school physical education.

我们整个人都变得越来越不健康了。

We're getting out of shape completely.

是的，太糟糕了。

Yeah, it's terrible.

我刚刚接到一个电话，杰克，你一定会喜欢的。

I actually just had a phone call, Jack, you would have appreciated.

是和梅琳达·埃尔莫尔打的，你见过她。

It was with Melinda Elmore, who you've met.

她是斯坦福大学中距离项目的杰出运动员。

She's a Stanford standout in the middle distance.

她曾参加过1500米奥运会比赛。

She ran the Olympics in the 1,500.

实际上，我不知道你知不知道，她刚刚打破了加拿大马拉松纪录。

She actually, I don't know if you know this, just set the Canadian record in the marathon.

她刚跑了2小时24分，而且马上就要满40岁了。

She just ran two twenty four and she turn she turns 40, and, like, very soon she's turning 40.

这真是太不可思议了。

And so it's just incredible.

但她认为自己投身这项运动的原因，是得益于学校的体能训练和早期教育。

But she attributed the reason she got into the sport was, she thinks their physical fitness program and early education.

听到这些真的让人感到欣慰。

And so that was really nice to hear.

但确实令人难过，因为这一切已经彻底下滑了。

But yeah, it's sad to see that just has gone completely downhill.

是啊，这很糟糕，因为这不仅关乎体能，更关乎健康。

Yeah, it's terrible because it's not only fitness, it's health.

没错，这让我们回到当前的状况，因为看起来那些身体状况较好的人在这场疫情中表现得稍微好一些。

Right, which brings us back to the situation we're in now because it seems like people who are in pretty good physical shape are holding up a little better with this virus.

但这并非对所有人都适用。

It's not the case for everyone.

当然会有例外，但看起来如果身体状况良好，就能降低医疗成本。

There's certainly outliers, but it seems like if you're physically fit, that's gonna reduce health care costs.

但在我们目前的情况下，这似乎也有帮助。

But also in our present situation, it seems like it's helpful.

是的，没错。

Yeah, yeah.

嗯，我不知道有没有告诉过你，但我在高中的体育课简直不可思议。

Well, I don't know if I ever told you, but my PE program in high school was just unbelievable.

是的，我们在诊所里经常谈到这个，对吧？

Yeah, we talk about this a lot at the clinics, right?

这真是太惊人了。

It's just amazing.

我希望这种课程仍然存在。

I would hope that it still exists.

但你觉得它还存在吗？还是大概已经没有了？

But do you think it does or probably?

我不确定，我应该联系他一下看看。

I don't know, I should probably contact him and see.

最令人惊叹的是，整个体育项目中只有10个人达到了最高排名。

The most amazing thing about it was that there were only 10 people who who achieved the highest ranking in the physical education program.

所以这是在帕洛阿尔托的塞奎诺亚高中，而且在整个该项目的历史上，只有10个人做到过。

So this is at Sequoia High School in Palo Alto and it's and only 10 ever in the history of that program.

你说在塞奎诺亚只有10个人达到了黄金级别，对吧？

You said there were only 10 people at Sequoia that reached a level gold, right?

只有我高三那届的10个人。

Only only 10 of my senior class.

哦，明白了。

Oh, got it.

在你们那届。

In your class.

所以每一届都有这么多人。

So each each class had so many.

我高中毕业班大约有500名学生。

There were about 500 students in my senior class.

好的。

Okay.

在这10个人里，我们都达到了目标。

And so 10 of 10 of us had goals.

在这10人中，高中毕业六年后，有三人参加了奥运会。

Of those ten, six years after graduating from high school, three of those 10 were in the Olympics.

这简直难以置信。

It's unbelievable.

你还记得他们具体参加的是哪些运动吗？

Do you remember the sports that they actually made those individuals?

他们需要参加哪些项目？

What activities they had to do?

我是说，他们具体是通过哪些运动入选奥运会的？

Well, what what sports did they make the the Olympics in?

是的

Yeah.

其中一人成为了跳水运动员。

One of them made it as a diver.

另一人参加了水球比赛。

One of them made it in water polo.

哇。

Wow.

而我参加了现代五项。

And I made it in modern pentathlon.

对。

Right.

哇，这太惊人了。

Wow that's amazing.

都来自同一个班级。

All in the same class.

是的。

Yeah.

要达成这些目标，你必须非常健康。

You had to be pretty fit to get the goals.

所以这就是基础，很多听众可能不知道，但这是年龄分级背后的基础。

So this is the basis, a lot of our listeners might not know, but this is the basis behind the age graded.

就是VDOT等级，对吧？

Well, the VDOT levels, right?

一共有10个等级，最高是第10级，也就是黄金级。

There's 10 levels that go up to level 10, which is gold, the top level.

而这就是推动你晋升到不同等级、获得不同颜色的基础，对吧？

And this is the basis right behind this idea of advancing to different levels and achieving different colors, right?

对，没错。

Right, exactly.

我就是直接照着这个抄的。

I just copied that right out.

但关键区别在于高中时期的金色短裤项目，涉及多种不同的活动。

But the big difference is in the gold shorts in high school that involved a real variety of activities.

你不能仅仅是个优秀的跑步者之类的，因为在这十个项目中，有一个是游泳。

You couldn't just be a good runner or whatever because in fact, one of the 10 events you had to do, one of them was a swim.

120码的游泳。

A 120 yard swim.

而且评分标准就是看你游得多快，对。

And it was just scored by how fast you Right.

做

Did

是150码的游泳。

It was a 150 yard swim.

抱歉。

Sorry.

他们还有三级跳。

And they had a triple jump.

他们还设置了20英尺的仅用双臂从坐姿开始的攀绳项目，必须在11.5秒内完成，同时还要求完成一定数量的引体向上、俯卧撑和两种不同的跑步项目：120码的躲避跑和300码的折返跑。

They had a 20 foot rope climb arms only from seated position on the floor and you had to do that eleven point five seconds and you had to do a certain number of chin ups and a certain number of bar dips and two different runs, a 120 yard dodge run and a 300 yard shuttle run.

你需要完成很多不同的项目。

You had to do a lot of different things.

你最强的项目是什么？

What was your strongest event?

这些项目里吗？

Of those events?

是的。

Yeah.

这是个好问题。

Well, that's a good question.

对我而言，大概是游泳，因为我参加过游泳队。

Probably for me, the swim because I was on the swim team.

不错。

Nice.

是的，那是你在五项全能中的强项。

Yeah, that was your better event in the pentathlon.

对。

Right.

嗯，骑马才是我在五项全能中最擅长的项目。

Well, riding was my best event in pentathlon.

哦，原来如此。

Oh, okay.

没错。

That's right.

游泳是我的第二强项，最差的是跑步。

And swimming was my second best and my worst was running.

所以我后来成了跑步教练。

That's why I became a running coach.

我看到你最近在入会仪式上演讲时的情景了，或者那是在奥兰多？

I saw when you were in your speech at recent induction and or where was it Orlando?

对。

Right.

我看到你提到跑步是你最差的项目。

And I saw that you mentioned that running was your worst event.

所以你成了教练。

That's why you became a coach.

嗯，因为我跑步很弱，所以我专门研究了跑步。

Well, it's what I did because my running was weak, was I studied running.

是的。

Yeah.

我还拿到了跑步方向的博士学位。

And I I did my PhD degree in running.

杰克，你记得在跟教练训练时感到沮丧吗？

Do you Jack, do you remember being frustrated while you were training with the the the coaches?

比如，

Like,

确实

did

你当时意识到这一点了吗？还是说，这种挫败感更多是因为你觉得自己在跑步上没有进步，后来才想弄清楚原因？

you know it at the time, or did was this more frustration that you just weren't improving in your running and you wanted to figure out later?

或者，你训练时是否曾感到沮丧，觉得教练们可能根本不懂他们在做什么？

Or do you remember while you were training feeling frustrated that the coaches maybe didn't have an idea what they were doing?

还是说，你只是顺其自然，直到比赛后才逐渐明白过来？

Or did you just kind of go along with it and came together more after your competition?

我很快就发现，教练们根本不懂他们在做什么。

It didn't take me long to figure out the coaches didn't know what was going on.

你看，当时我在军队里，学习所有这些项目时，我们没有足够的钱为每个项目都聘请教练。

You see, when I was in the army at the time when I was learning all these events and we didn't have enough money to hire coaches for all the different events.

我的意思是，现代五项包含五个完全不同的项目。

I mean in pentathlon you got five completely different events.

有游泳、跑步、击剑、马术和手枪射击。

You got swimming, you got running, you got fencing, you got horseback riding and you got pistol shooting.

我的意思是，这些项目需要完全不同类型的教练。

I mean those take really different types of coaches.

我们有一位非常出色的击剑教练。

And we had a great great fencing coach.

他是匈牙利人，毕业于布达佩斯击剑学院，是一位非常优秀的击剑教练。

He was a Hungarian guy that graduated from the Budapest Academy of Fencing and and he was a really good fencing coach.

但为了省钱，负责组织现代五项协会的人就告诉这位击剑教练：你顺便也当跑步教练吧。

But to save money, the people organized the the Pentathlon Association, they just told that fencing coach, you also be the running coach.

他根本一窍不通。

He didn't have a clue.

我告诉你，我跟着这位教练练的前六周，我们每天就是去跑道上慢跑一英里，然后拼尽全力跑八个400米，就回家。

I'll tell you the first six weeks I ever ran for that coach, all we did was go to the track and jog a mile, run eight four hundreds as hard as we could and go home.

我们每周这样练五到六天。

And we did that five or six days a week.

累得你根本站不起来，浑身酸痛。

You couldn't even stand up, you're so sore.

我的意思是，我这辈子从来没跑过步，却要拼尽全力跑400米。

I mean, I had never run before in my life and I'm running 400 as hard as I can.

哇哦。

Wow.

它们之间的休息时间是多久？

What was the rest between them?

你还记得吗？

Do you remember?

是的，你得慢跑一圈。

Yeah, you got to jog a lap.

所以你有相当多的休息时间。

So you got a fair bit.

哦，原来如此。

Oh, okay.

但问题是，是的。

But the problem was Yeah.

所以后来，我们根本不知道该怎么参加比赛，因为训练时我们唯一做的就是拼尽全力狂奔。

So then And we we never and in addition to being sore as heck, we didn't have a clue how to run a race because when we ran a race, all we'd ever done for training was run hard hard as we could.

所以比赛一开始，你就使出全部力气冲出去，大概跑完半英里就撑不住了。

So when the race started, you ran as hard as you could and just died after about a half mile.

你们参加的是什么距离的比赛？

What was the distance that you were competing at?

太棒了。

Fantastic.

比赛距离是4000米。

It was 4,000 meters.

4000米，而且是越野跑。

4,000 and it was cross country.

是的。

Yeah.

两英里半的越野跑，而且特别艰难，因为比赛前根本不允许看路线图。

Two and a half two and a half miles cross country and it was really tough cross country because you weren't even allowed to see a map of the course before you ran it.

而且你不被允许在赛道上热身，比赛的方式是所有参赛者每隔一分钟出发一次。

And you weren't allowed you were not allowed to warm up on the course and the way they competed the run, all the competitors in the competition ran one minute apart.

每分钟有一人出发。

One started every minute.

例如，在1960年奥运会上，有60名参赛者。

For instance in the nineteen sixty Olympics, there were 60 competitors.

这意味着有60个人每隔一分钟依次出发。

That means 60 people started one minute apart.

因此，整整一小时里，每分钟都有一个人出发。

So for one entire hour, a different person started every minute.

但你经常能看到前面的选手吗？

But were you seeing competitors oftentimes in front of you?

比如，你是否在追赶他们，还是他们

Like, that you were trying to chase them down or were they

嗯，你得离他们很近，才能在他们一分钟之内。

Well, you had to get pretty close to be within a minute of them.

是的

Yeah.

你唯一会

The only time you'd ever

长长的直道。

Big straightaway.

你只会看到其他跑者，如果你追上了前面整整一分钟的选手，或者后面一分钟的选手追上了你。

You would only ever see another runner is if you caught one a whole minute or one behind you caught you a minute.

你没有，没错。

And you didn't Right.

正如我所说，你不被允许查看赛道。

As I say, you weren't allowed to see the course.

所以你甚至不知道自己即将在一条泥泞的赛道上奔跑。

So you didn't even know if you're gonna be running sometime in this course running through mud.

我记得曾经跑过一片大约一英尺深的草地。

Or I can remember running through a field of grass that was about a foot deep.

是啊，他们带你到处跑。

Mean, they took you everywhere.

我看过一些你的照片，不确定那是选拔赛还是什么比赛，但那里有干草堆在跑道上吗？还是说那只是……

And I've seen pictures of you I don't know if they were the trials or what the competition was, but you're is was were there hay bales in the running or just the that was more the

没有。

No.

更多时候，我们通常没有障碍物。

More more more we we didn't usually have obstacles.

我们主要是进行非常陡峭的上下坡跑。

We had very tough up and downhill runs.

我记得有一条赛道，上坡太陡了，他们挂了一根绳子下来，你可以拉着绳子爬上去。

I remember one course we had, the uphill run was so steep, they hung a rope down, you could pull yourself up the hill.

哦，天哪。

Oh, wow.

但路程并不长。

It wasn't very long.

只有大约四五十米，差不多吧。

It was only about 40 or 50 meters, something like that.

我想那是地区赛。

There was the con I think it was regionals.

我不知道你有没有看过这个NCAA比赛。

I don't know if you saw this NCAA.

那是什么比赛？

What was it?

一场因为天气原因被改成了公路赛的会议赛或地区赛。

A conference meet or a regional meet where because of the weather, they turned it into a road.

真的吗？

Oh, really?

我们在高中越野跑时确实也跑过一点公路，但你的比赛看起来更像真正的越野赛。

So we actually ran a little bit on the roads in high school and cross country, but this your competition seemed like true.

嗯，

Well,

我记得有一年在伦敦举行的世界锦标赛。

was it was I can remember one year the World Championships in London.

那天下了整整的雨，赛道上到处都是泥泞。

They had had nothing but rain and there was mud all over that course.

你必须得跑。

And you had to run.

是的。

Yeah.

他们只用两条胶带标出了两条跑道。

They had two lanes of tape.

你全程4000米都得在这两条胶带之间跑，就像在小径上一样。

You ran between those two the entire 4,000 meters, you were in a trail.

对。

Yeah.

你

You