遇害：玛丽·约德 第二部分

他们仍然更怀疑比尔。

They are still much more suspicious of Bill.

即使所有这些都曝光之后

Even after all of this comes out

是的。

Yep.

我猜不包括那个和他约会的人。

I'm presuming not including the one dating him.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

对。

Yeah.

所以，仍然持怀疑态度的是我之前提到的那三个人：珍妮、莎伦和萨莉。

So, the ones who are suspicious are still the same trio that I mentioned before, Janine, Sharon, and Sally.

尽管当局表示没有证据表明比尔涉案，但当凯蒂于2017年4月在奥尼达县法院接受首次审判时，辩护方正是基于这一点进行辩护。

And even though authorities say that there's no evidence implicating Bill, that is exactly the argument that the defense makes when Katie's first trial begins in Oneida County Court in April 2017.

凯蒂的律师克里斯托弗·佩利表示，比尔拥有凯蒂没有的东西——真正的动机：一段有问题的婚姻、经济困境在玛丽去世后消失，以及可能与玛丽的妹妹有婚外情。

Katie's attorney, Christopher Pelly, says that Bill had something that Katie didn't have, real motives, a troubled marriage, money problems that went away when Mary died, and possibly an affair with Mary's own sister.

关于婚姻，佩利说，它并没有比尔声称的那么稳固。

Starting with the marriage, Pelly says that it wasn't as solid as Bill claimed.

在他们结婚之前，我猜比尔曾提议保持关系开放，但最终他们决定放弃这个想法。

Before they even tied the knot, I guess Bill had suggested keeping things open, which they decided against.

比尔说他从未对玛丽不忠，但某段时间起，他开始在各个周末独自去酒店，就是我之前提到的那些单独出行，名义上是为了写作。

And Bill says that he never cheated on Mary, but at some point, he started disappearing to hotels on various weekends, those solo trips I talked about, supposedly to write.

于是他们提出了一个问题：他去这些地方的唯一原因真的只是写作吗？

And so they kind of pose this question like, was that really the only reason he would take these trips?

然后就是凯瑟琳这件事。

And then there's the Kathleen of it all.

什么样的男人会在妻子去世后，甚至在妻子去世仅两个月后，就和亡妻的妹妹在一起？

What kind of guy takes up with his dead wife's sister at all, let alone two months after your wife dies?

我们又怎么知道他们真的等了那么久？

And how do we know they even waited that long?

我的意思是，凯瑟琳和比尔都说这一切始于九月，但凯瑟琳的一位邻居作证说，在玛丽去世前一周，她就看到两人在凯瑟琳家门前亲密依偎，完全像一对情侣。

I mean, sure, Kathleen and Bill say it all began in September, but a neighbor of Kathleen's testifies that she saw them on Kathleen's front porch all snuggled up looking very much like a couple the week before Mary died.

别忘了钱的问题。

And don't forget about the money.

没错。

True.

玛丽没有购买人寿保险，但比尔最近刚从他父亲那里继承了将近五十万美元。

Mary didn't have any life insurance, but Bill had recently inherited that close to half $1,000,000 from his dad.

玛丽去世后，他告诉女儿塔蒙：这笔钱虽然不够两个人养老，但一个人用绰绰有余。

And after Mary died, he told one of his daughters, Tamron, that while it wasn't enough for two people to retire on, it was for just one.

玛丽去世后，比尔的行为又怎么解释？

And what's up with Bill's behavior after Mary died?

为什么他会在大家还不清楚到底发生了什么的情况下，就立刻选择火化？

Why did he ever cremated before anyone knew what the heck was going on?

他为什么对玛丽的死因一点都不好奇？

Why wasn't he more curious about what killed her?

他为什么没有向调查人员追问答案？

Why didn't he push investigators for answers?

因为听起来他已经在向前看了，并且爱上了别人。

Because it sounds like he was moving on and was in love with someone else.

是的。

Yeah.

这似乎是人们感到困惑的地方。

And it seems to be the thing that people have a problem with.

嗯。

Mhmm.

还存在与毒物相关的强烈可能性。

There is also a strong possible link to the poison.

也许玛丽买来是用于园艺，而比尔随后用它来害她，或者也可能是他买的。

Maybe Mary ordered it for gardening, and Bill then used it against her, or maybe he bought it.

无论如何，他都可能知道该如何使用它。

Either way, he would potentially know what to do with it.

我的意思是，还记得玛丽的妹妹提到过，比尔在八十年代曾尝试种植大麻吗？

I mean, remember how Mary's sister mentioned that Bill had experimented with growing marijuana back in the eighties?

实际上，那封给供应商的意向书完全是关于操控植物基因的。

Actually, the letter of intent to the supplier to get the colchicine was all about manipulating plant genetics.

没错。

Right.

而那是比尔的世界，不是凯蒂的。

And that was Bill's world, not Katie's.

所以辩护方说她对此一无所知。

So the defense is saying that she didn't know anything about that.

我的意思是，当然。

I mean, sure.

也许她真的不知道。

Maybe she didn't.

但他们怎么解释那些将凯蒂与秋水仙碱联系起来的数字证据呢？

But how do they explain away all of the digital stuff tying Katie to the colchicine?

我的意思是，证据太多了。

Like, there's so much.

她的辩护律师佩利也针对这一点进行了攻击。

Her defense attorney, Pelly, he goes after that too.

他说，州方的法医专家没有资格、未获认证，只是一个为了迎合自己的理论而挑选数据的大学生。

He says that the state's forensic expert is unqualified, uncertified, a college student who cherry picked data to fit his theory.

他还辩称，数字证据并没有看起来那么确凿。

And he argues that the digital trail isn't as solid as it looks.

我想，康利家的Wi-Fi其实是亚当设置的，而且没有设置密码。

I guess the Conley's home Wi Fi, which Adam actually set up, wasn't password protected.

所以任何附近的人都可以使用这个IP地址。

So anyone nearby could have used the IP address.

所以理论上，他们认为有人可能在康利家外面连接了他们的Wi-Fi。

So theoretically, they're saying someone could have been outside the Conley's house and connected to their Wi

是的。

Yeah.

如果范围足够广，或者有人去过他们家。

If the range was wide enough or somebody who had been over at their house.

哦，但他们没有检查比尔的所有设备，看看他有没有做过类似的事情吗？

Oh, but didn't they check all of Bill's devices to see if he did anything like that?

最终还是检查了。

Eventually.

我的意思是，他们很快就拿到了他的电话记录。

I mean, they had his phone records pretty quickly.

但关键是这样。

But here's the thing.

当那封亚当的信出现后，他们就开始调查凯蒂，嗯。

When that Adam letter came and then they started looking at Katie Mhmm.

不知为何，检查比尔的设备被搁置到非常靠后的位置，我认为这在庭审中反过来害了他们。

For some reason, checking Bill's devices got put way on the back burner, which I think comes back to bite them during this trial.

因为据称，在玛丽去世后不久，比尔就告诉他的女儿塔蒙，不要碰他们家的任何一台电脑，因为它们有病毒。

Because, apparently, right after Mary died, Bill told his daughter, Tamron, like, not to touch either of their home computers because they had viruses.

但调查人员直到2016年9月才收集这些信息，而且有些数据根本无法恢复。

But investigators didn't collect any of this until September 2016, and then some data couldn't be recovered at all.

此外，比尔显然对电脑并不陌生。

Plus, Bill was apparently no stranger to computers.

多年来，他一直负责管理连接所有整骨诊所电脑的网络。

He managed the network that connected all the chiropractic office computers for years.

而且很多工作都是在办公室电脑上完成的，嗯。

And a lot of the stuff was done on the office computer Mhmm.

还有办公用品。

And with office supplies.

对吧？

Right?

打字机、信封。

Typewriter, envelopes.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Sure.

凯蒂最常使用所有这些物品，但辩护方指出，毕竟那是比尔的办公室。

Katie used all of that the most, but the defense points out that it was Bill's office after all.

比如，他可以随意使用任何设备，包括凯蒂已经盖好邮戳的信封。

Like, he could use any of the equipment he wanted, including envelopes that Katie had pre stamped.

所以他们试图论证，尽管她的DNA在其中一个邮戳下被发现，

So they're trying to argue that even though her DNA was found under one of the stamps

她可能在任何随机时间做过这件事。

That she could have done that at any random time.

是的。

Yeah.

他只是随手拿了一个。

And he just, like, grabbed one.

有没有任何物证指向比尔？

Is there any physical evidence pointing to Bill?

关于秋水仙碱瓶的DNA检测结果是不确定的。

So DNA results on the colchicine bottle were inconclusive.

因此，科学上无法确认他是否涉案。

So the science could not rule him in or out.

我以为瓶上的DNA是凯蒂的。

I thought the DNA on the bottle was Katie's.

确实是她的，但实际上至少有三个不同的DNA图谱。

It was, but there was actually at least three profiles.

凯蒂是唯一一个哦。

So Katie was the only one Oh.

也就是说，唯一能被完全识别出来的匹配对象。

Like, or the only match that could be, like, fully identified.

他们能够完全排除亚当的嫌疑，但不知为何，却无法仅凭他们所拥有的样本排除比尔。

And they were able to completely rule Adam out, but for some reason not Bill just based on, I guess, the sample they had or whatever.

听好了。

And listen.

检方关于凯蒂毒害玛丽的蛋白奶昔的理论也存在问题。

There is also a problem with the prosecution's theory that Katie poisoned Mary's protein shake.

玛丽入院时的医疗记录显示，她当天吃了一根蛋白棒和烤鸡。

Mary's medical records from when she was admitted to the hospital say that she had a protein bar and grilled chicken that day.

记录中完全没有提到奶昔。

There was nothing in there about a shake.

好的。

Okay.

但这个信息是从哪里来的呢？

But where is that coming from?

比如，她是入院时告诉医护人员的吗？

Like, did she tell them during intake?

是的。

Yeah.

这并不是胃内容物之类的东西。

This isn't like stomach contents or anything.

她进了医院。

She comes into the hospital.

是玛丽自己告诉他们的。

Mary's telling them herself.

她刚到医院时，意识还是清醒的。

She was still, like, coherent when she comes to the hospital.

当然了。

And sure.

对吧？

Right?

她当时处于最糟糕的状况，或者说是最危险的状态。

Like, she's in, like, the worst position or, like, the the worst spot.

她病得非常严重。

She's so sick.

也许她说错了。

Maybe she misspoke.

也许她两种都服用了。

Maybe she had both.

也许有人记错了。

Maybe someone wrote it down wrong.

但佩利提出了另一种可能性：比尔可能在7月20日早上把秋水仙碱混入玛丽的食物中，并且在她仍在医院时又给了她第二剂。

But Pelly offers another idea that maybe Bill could have slipped the colchicine into Mary's food on the morning of July 20 and possibly given her a second dose while she was still at the hospital.

所以他们的意思是她被毒了两次？

So they're saying she was poisoned twice?

专家们无法排除这种可能性。

Well, the experts can't rule it out.

显然，无法确切知道玛丽摄入了多少秋水仙碱。

Apparently, there's no way to know exactly how much colchicine Mary ingested.

但尸检时在她的胃液中发现秋水仙碱，表明它是通过口服进入体内的，而不是通过吸入或注射。

But the fact that it was in her stomach fluid during the autopsy indicates that it got into her system orally rather than through, like, inhalation or injection.

请记住，这发生在她连续两天呕吐之后。

And keep in mind, this was after two days of vomiting.

所以法医表示，她在去世时体内的剂量实际上还在上升。

So the pathologist says that the levels in her system were actually rising when she died.

也就是说，她的身体仍在吸收这种物质。

Like, her body was still absorbing it.

现在，检方对这一现象有了一个解释。

Now the prosecution has an explanation for that.

他们说，这与药物在死后在体内重新分布的方式有关。

They say it has to do with the way that drugs can shift around in the body after death.

他们的毒理学家表示，第二剂药物本应引发新一轮的症状，但实际情况并没有发生。

And their toxicologist says a second dose would have triggered a fresh round of symptoms, which did not happen.

但辩护方提出了反驳。

But the defense pushes back.

玛丽在医院时正在服用止吐药。

Mary was on anti nausea medication at the hospital.

所以他们认为，这可能掩盖了新的症状。

So they are saying that could have maybe masked new symptoms.

所以在审判中，双方就这样来回拉扯。

And so it's just like this ping pong back and forth at trial.

但你之前说过，凯蒂当时在医院陪着玛丽和家人。

But you said in part one that Katie was at the hospital with Mary and the family.

所以如果真有第二剂药物，谁能确定是谁给她的呢？

So if there was a second dose, who's to say who actually gave it to her?

有什么证据能说明是比尔干的，而不是凯蒂？

Like, what about it is tying Bill to this theory and not Katie?

因为凯蒂直到周三，也就是玛丽病情恶化前不久才到医院。

Well, because Katie wasn't there at the hospital until Wednesday, like closer to the time that Mary died.

比尔是周二玛丽病情恶化前唯一在她身边的人。

Bill was the only one there with Mary on Tuesday before she took a turn for the worse.

玛丽住院期间本不该进食或饮水，但比尔承认，当玛丽要求时，他从家里给她带了止咳糖和吸入器。

And Mary wasn't supposed to eat or drink or anything while she was hospitalized, but Bill admitted that he brought her cough drops and an inhaler from home when she asked.

这两样东西理论上都可能被下药，但目前还不清楚这些物品是否接受过检测。

So either one could have theoretically been laced, but it's not clear if those things were ever tested.

不过，据我所知，它们并没有。

Although, as far as I can tell, they weren't.

我头都大了

My head is

晕头转向。

Spinning.

我知道。

I know.

你不是唯一一个。

You're you're not the only one.

这场审判持续了三个多星期，传唤了数十名证人。

This trial stretches on for over three weeks with dozens of witnesses.

陪审团花了将近24小时、分五天进行商议，但最终陷入僵局，据报投票结果为10比2倾向于无罪。

The jury goes on to deliberate for nearly twenty four hours over five days, but they are hopelessly deadlocked, reportedly 10 to two in favor of acquittal.

因此，2017年5月18日，法官宣布审判无效。

So on 05/18/2017, the judge declares a mistrial.

无裁决。

No verdict.

无了结。

No closure.

凯蒂仍处于法律上的悬而未决状态，仍被控谋杀。

Katie is in legal limbo, still charged with murder.

检察官们绝不会就此罢休。

And prosecutors aren't about to let things go.

五个月后，在十月，他们再次将凯蒂送上法庭。

Five months later in October, they bring Katie to trial again.

如今，指控的理论相同，但这次检方有了一个全新的杀手锏。

Now the theory is the same, but this time the prosecution has a new ace in the hole.

在为第二轮庭审做准备时，调查人员重新检查了亚当的笔记本电脑，发现其中一份手机备份并非来自亚当的设备。

As they prepped for round two, investigators reexamined Adam's laptop, and they realized that one of the phone backups on it wasn't from Adam's device.

而是来自凯蒂的。

It was from Katie's.

2015年8月，就在玛丽去世几周后，凯蒂把她的iPhone插进了亚当的笔记本电脑。

In August 2015, so just weeks after Mary died, Katie had plugged her iPhone into Adam's laptop.

她无意中触发了一次完整备份，保存了当时手机上的所有内容，包括她后来删除的信息。

And without meaning to, she triggers a full backup, preserving everything on that phone at the time, including stuff that she later deleted.

他们发现的这些证据描绘出一个人在认真做功课的图景。

What they found painted a picture of someone doing their homework.

2014年，凯蒂开始研究各种毒物，并截图保存关于每种毒物致命性的文章。

In the 2014, Katie started researching different poisons and screenshotting articles about how deadly each one was.

到12月，她似乎锁定了秋水仙碱。

By December, she seemed to land on colchicine.

她研究了化学供应商，查阅了秋水仙碱中毒的预后和治疗方法，然后用她用手机扫描的假文件订购了这种物质。

She was researching chemical suppliers, looked up the prognosis and treatment of colchicine poisoning, and then ordered it using those fake documents that she'd scanned with her phone.

对检察官来说，这是铁证如山，他们信心满满，所有人都重新回到法庭。

To prosecutors, this is a smoking gun, and they're feeling good as everyone crowds back into the courtroom.

但我认为他们没料到凯蒂的新律师即将给他们来个出其不意。

But I don't think they are expecting the curveball that Katie's new lawyer is about to throw at them.

人人都说过谎，但当一个谎言演变成一种人生、一场运动、一场阴谋时，会发生什么？

Everyone's told a lie, but what happens when one lie becomes a life, a movement, a conspiracy?

我是乔什·迪恩，《变色龙》的节目主持人，我会揭秘那些真实的诈骗骗局——它们极具迷惑性且破绽难寻，就连当事人最亲近的人都深受其骗。

I'm Josh Dean, host of Chameleon, and I uncover true stories of deception scams so intimate and convincing, they fooled the people closest to them.

这些人都不是素不相识的陌生人。

These aren't strangers.

他们是爱人、朋友，也是值得信赖的伙伴。

They're lovers, friends, and trusted allies.

因为那些最凶险的骗局不会让人觉得是犯罪，

Because the most dangerous cons don't feel like crimes,

只会让人觉得是私人恩怨。

they feel personal.

欢迎在你常用的播客平台上收听《变色龙》。

Listen to Chameleon wherever you get your podcasts.

凯蒂在第二次庭审中的辩护律师名叫弗兰克·波利切利，他准备了一套全新的辩护策略。

Katie's defense attorney for trial number two is a guy named Frank Policelli, and he has a whole new approach.

波利切利没有指责比尔，而是把责任归咎于亚当。

Instead of accusing Bill, Policelli lays the blame on Adam.

这次，辩护方称，凯蒂实际上曾试图帮助调查人员看清真相，但他们过于关注她，忽视了她提供的所有信息，包括她声称亚当曾向她坦白的事。

This time, the defense says that Katie actually tried to help investigators see what was really going on, but they were so focused on her, they dismissed everything she told them, including her claim that Adam had confessed to her.

根据波利切利的说法，真正发生的事情是这样的。

According to Policelli, here's what really happened.

亚当当时非常绝望、情绪不稳定，且与母亲关系紧张。

Adam was desperate, volatile, and had a strained relationship with his mother.

当他无法留住凯蒂时，他策划了一个计划，用一种能确保凯蒂背锅的方式毒害玛丽。

And when he couldn't hold on to Katie, he concocted a plan to poison Mary in a way that would make sure Katie took the fall.

换个角度想一想。

Think about it from this angle.

亚当在大学里主修计算机科学，他的数字技术能力远超凯蒂。

Adam actually studied computer science in college, and he had way more digital know how than Katie.

他过去曾使用过她的设备。

He had used her devices in the past.

她的关键手机备份出现在他的笔记本电脑上，这真的是巧合吗？

Was it really a coincidence that her damning phone backup was on his laptop?

我的意思是，你得想办法解释这些新证据。

I mean, you gotta find a way to explain that new evidence.

在布拉奇奥利看来，亚当可能植入或篡改了任何有罪证的数据。

In Bulaccioli's view, Adam could have planted or manipulated any incriminating data.

他也有进入约德家办公室的权限，甚至有自己的钥匙，但他声称钥匙丢了。

He had access to the Yoder's office too, even had his own key, which he claims he lost.

当警察搜查他的吉普车时，发现了护目镜、手套和面罩，这些正是处理有毒物质时会用到的装备。

And when police searched his Jeep, they found goggles and gloves and a face mask, the kind of set that you would want if you were handling something toxic.

但调查人员从未收集这些物品，更不用说进行检测了。

But investigators never collected those things, let alone tested them.

是的，他和凯蒂的关系很糟糕。

And yes, the relationship between him and Katie was toxic.

这一点无人否认。

No one disputes that.

但波切利认为，问题出在亚当身上，而不是凯蒂。

But Policelli says that Adam was the problem, not Katie.

她已经放下了。

She had moved on.

她有了新男友，正在规划未来，而亚当却无法释怀。

She had a new boyfriend, and she was making plans for a future while Adam couldn't let go.

据称，多年来她借给他数千美元，他却从未归还，而她也一直害怕他。

Apparently, over the years, she had lent him thousands of dollars that he never paid back, and she was scared of him.

根据他自己的承认，他曾对凯蒂动过手，说在2013年的一次聚会上，他曾几次扇了她耳光。

By his own admission, he had gotten physical with her, said that he slapped her in the face a few times at a party in 2013.

如果他敢在人前这么做，那没人看见的时候，他又会做什么呢？

If he's willing to do that in front of people, you know, what's happening when no one's watching?

还有2014年发生的性侵指控，凯蒂在第一次与侦探会面时就提到了。

And then there's the sexual assault allegation from 2014 that Katie told the detectives about in their first meeting.

还记得吗？

Remember that?

现在亚当否认了，但他也承认，那天晚上他喝得酩酊大醉，完全不记得发生了什么。

Now Adam denies it, but he also admits that he was so drunk that night, he doesn't remember anything.

那你连记忆都没有，怎么能否认呢？

So how can you deny something you don't even remember?

问题是这样。

Well, here's the thing.

实际上，检察官也不相信凯蒂的说法。

Prosecutors actually don't even believe Katie about it either.

她曾给警方提供过一些照片，说是袭击造成的伤痕。

She had given police photos of injuries that she said came from the assault.

但调查人员调取数据后发现，拍摄时间却说了另一个故事。

But when investigators pulled the data, capture times told a different story.

有些照片拍摄时间比事发当晚早了将近一年。

Some were taken nearly a year before the night in question.

另一些则是在几个月之后。

Others were months after.

这些照片的时间都对不上她所说的事件发生时间。

None of them matched up with when she said, like, they were supposed to have happened.

因此，几乎每当辩护方提出一个论点，检方都会立即给出有力的反击。

And so just like this, for almost every argument the defense tries to make, the prosecution comes back with a one two punch.

他们通过进行数据提取的专家证人坚持认为，没有任何数字篡改或修改的迹象，除了凯蒂的证词外，没有任何证据指向亚当。

And they insist via expert witnesses who did the data extractions that there was no digital tampering or modification and nothing pointing to Adam at all except for Katie's word.

他们确信受审的人是正确的那个人。

They are confident that the right person is on trial.

但他们也开始担心，有些陪审员可能会相信凯蒂并不想杀死玛丽，只是想让她生病，就像亚当之前不知因何原因生病那样。

But they do start to worry that some jurors might believe Katie didn't intend to kill Mary, just make her sick, like the way Adam got sick before from who knows what.

顺便说一句，即使在那时，当他生病时，他还半开玩笑地问，是不是凯蒂毒害了他。

Which, by the way, even back then, like, when he got sick, he made sort of a joke, question mark, that Katie poisoned him.

因为他表示，自己在服用了凯蒂给他的某些补充剂后不久就生病了。

Because he said that he got sick right after taking some supplements that she had given him.

我只想说，如果你在一段关系中哪怕只是闪过这种念头，赶紧跑吧。

Can I just say that if that thought even crosses your mind when you're in a relationship, run?

走吧。

Get out.

是的。

Yeah.

但那个半开玩笑地问‘她是不是毒害了我’的说法，我们从凯蒂最初接受侦探询问的记录以及她和亚当之间的信息交流中都知道这一点。

But that half joking did she poison me thing, that's something that we know from Katie's original interview with detectives and messages that she and Adam exchanged.

在庭审中，辩护方也提到了亚当的生病情况。

And at trial, the defense actually brings up Adam's illness too.

但他们暗示亚当是为了博取关注而毒害了自己，后来又对玛丽做了同样的事。

But they suggest that Adam poisoned himself for attention and then later did the same to Mary.

或者也许他买秋水仙碱是为了种大麻，结果在处理时不小心中毒了。

Or maybe he bought the colchicine to grow marijuana and then got sick while handling it.

但无论如何，这最终适得其反。

But either way, this ends up backfiring.

正如我所说，检方开始有点紧张了。

Like I said, the prosecution's getting a little nervous.

于是他们去问法官。

So they go and ask the judge.

听好了。

Listen.

除了二级谋杀的有罪或无罪之外，我们能不能给陪审团一个其他选项？

Instead of just guilty or not guilty for second degree murder, can we give the jury an option?

我们能不能加上一级过失杀人？

Can we add first degree manslaughter?

这样，关于二级谋杀就不再是非此即彼了。

That way, it won't be an all or nothing on second degree murder.

现在辩护方试图阻止这项较轻的指控进入陪审团的考虑范围，但他们做不到，因为既然他们提出了亚当是自己下毒然后又毒害玛丽的理论，就等于打开了法律上的门，检方于是顺理成章地走了进来。

Now the defense tries to keep the lesser charge off the table, but they can't because by floating the theory that Adam poisoned himself and then Mary, they basically open the legal door, and the state just walks right in.

如果凯蒂是这两起投毒事件的幕后主使，也许她只是以为玛丽会像亚当一样康复。

If Katie was behind both poisonings, maybe she just expected Mary to get better since Adam had gotten better.

所以

So

有没有确认亚当体内含有秋水仙碱，还是他只是得了与之无关的重病？

was it ever confirmed that Adam had colchicine in his system, or could he have just been really sick unrelated?

我们不知道。

We don't know.

调查人员检测了亚当生病时服用的那些补充剂。

Investigators tested the supplements from, like, the ones he was taking when Adam got sick.

这些检测结果是阴性的，但他们甚至无法确定这些补充剂是否来自凯蒂给他的同一瓶。

Those came back clean, but they don't even know for sure if they were from the same bottle that Katie gave him.

所以，这部分仍然是一个巨大的谜团。

So, like, it's that part is all just still a big mystery.

无论如何，意图问题现在交给了陪审团。

Either way, the question of intent is now in the jury's hands.

在十一月初，他们开始审议。

And in early November, they start deliberating.

有一段时间，看起来他们甚至无法达成一致，所有人都屏息以待，担心这会不会又是一场流审。

At one point, it looks like they won't even be able to agree, and everyone's kind of, like, holding their breath wondering if this is, like, gonna be another mistrial.

但他们还是能够解决这个问题。

But they're able to work through it.

经过两天的激烈讨论后， verdict 出炉了。

And after two days of hashing it out, the verdict comes in.

二级谋杀罪不成立，但一级过失杀人罪成立。

Not guilty of second degree murder, but guilty of first degree manslaughter.

根据《观察者快报》记者乔琳·克莱弗的报道，凯蒂的保释被撤销，她被逮捕入狱。

According to Observer Dispatch reporter Jolene Cleaver, Katie's bail is revoked, she is taken into custody.

即使经历了两次审判，玛丽的一些姐妹仍不相信凯蒂做了这件事。

Even after two trials, some of Mary's sisters still don't believe that Katie did this.

当她在2018年1月被判刑时，她们请求法官从轻发落。

When she is sentenced in January 2018, they ask the judge for leniency.

而另一边是比尔和玛丽的孩子们，他们都支持这一判决。

And on the other side is Bill with his and Mary's children who all stand by the conviction.

在他们看来，凯蒂夺走了玛丽的爱，并用毒药回报了这份爱。

To them, Katie took Mary's love and repaid it with poison.

在亚当的声音中，你能听出他谈及自己因把凯蒂带入家庭而产生的内疚时，声音几乎破碎——这个家庭曾因他曾爱她而接纳了她，但如今已不再爱她。

In Adam's voice, you can hear it break as he talks about the guilt that he carries for bringing Katie into his family, a family who welcomed her because he once loved her, but not anymore.

他告诉法庭，他恨她所做的一切。

He tells the court he hates her for what she has done.

但凯蒂始终坚持自己没有做错任何事，认为系统判错了，然而法官无动于衷。

But Katie maintains that she didn't do anything and that the system got it wrong, though the judge isn't moved.

事实上，玛丽在极度痛苦中离世，至死都不明白自己身上发生了什么。

The fact is Mary died in agony, never understanding what was happening to her.

因此，法官判处凯蒂二十三年监禁。

And so he sentences Katie to twenty three years.

那是2018年的事。

That was in 2018.

所以，现实地说，她可能要到2041年左右才能出狱。

So realistically, she could have been in jail until, like, 2041.

但后来，一位名叫梅丽莎·施瓦茨的律师接手了她的上诉，并聚焦于警方搜查凯蒂手机所依据的搜查令。

But then an attorney named Melissa Swartz takes on her appeal, and she zeros in on the warrant that police used to search Katie's phone.

执法部门有权没收手机，但显然他们没有权限翻查手机内的所有数据。

Law enforcement had permission to take the phone, but apparently, they didn't have permission to dig through all of the data inside of it.

斯瓦茨认为，凯蒂的辩护律师本应争取排除这一证据。

Swartz argues that Katie's trial attorneys should have fought to get that evidence thrown out.

但他们没有这么做。

They didn't.

这一疏忽导致凯蒂失去了自由。

And that failure cost Katie her freedom.

因此，就在去年，上诉法院同意了这一观点。

And so just last year, the appellate court agreed.

2025年1月下旬，凯蒂的定罪被推翻，几天后，她七年来的首次走出了监狱，重获自由。

In late January twenty twenty five, Katie's conviction was overturned, and a few days later, she walked out of prison free for the first time in seven years.

现在你知道了，定罪被推翻并不等于无罪释放。

Now you know this, overturned doesn't mean exonerated.

对。

Right.

检察官可以再次起诉，而且他们正计划这么做。

Prosecutors can try again, and they're planning to do exactly that.

但几乎立刻，他们就自摆乌龙。

But almost immediately, they shoot themselves in the foot.

你知道，凯蒂获释时，她的律师请求法官封存案件记录，施瓦茨告诉我们，对于被推翻的定罪来说，这相当常见。

You see, when Katie was released, her attorney asked the judge to seal the case records, which Schwartz told us is pretty standard for a conviction that gets tossed.

不同寻常的是，地区检察官办公室并没有提出异议。

What's unusual is that the DA's office didn't object.

因此，所有证据、警方报告、证人证词、数字记录，全部都被封存，不仅对公众保密，

And so now all of the evidence, police reports, witness statements, digital records, all of it is locked away, not just from the public,

而且对检察官也保密。

but from prosecutors too.

他们为什么不对

Why wouldn't they push back on

这一点提出反对？

that?

我

I

我不明白。

don't get it.

也许他们以为封存令只覆盖了定罪，而不包括实际证据，但其实这不是真的。

Maybe they figured that the seal only covered the conviction and not the actual evidence, which, like, not true.

他们本该知道的。

And they should have known.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以，尽管他们又召集了一整个新的大陪审团，重新走了一遍全部流程，甚至都安排好了让施瓦茨为凯蒂安排传讯，因为他们预计很快会有新的起诉，结果却被拦下了。

So even though they got, like, a whole another grand jury to do the whole song and dance again, even get to the point where they call Swartz to schedule Katie's arraignment because they expect a new indictment soon, they get blocked.

因为就在那时，施瓦茨突然说：等等。

Because it's at that point when Swartz is like, wait.

你们先把案件解封了吗？

Did you unseal the case first?

对。

Right.

因为，你到底能给这个大陪审团拿出什么证据？

Because, like, what are you even gonna bring to this grand jury?

因为所有东西都被封存了。

Because it's all tucked away.

是的。

Yeah.

就在那时，检察官办公室恍然大悟。

And that's when the DA's office has this, like, oh moment.

他们一直在使用本无权接触的证据。

They had been using evidence that they had no right to touch.

嗯。

Mhmm.

法官下令他们停止，现在他们彻底卡住了。

The judge orders them to stop, and now they're just stuck.

他们自己也无法申请公开这些记录，因为只有执法部门才能这么做，而且只有在有活跃调查的情况下才行。

They can't even ask to unseal the records themselves because only law enforcement can do that, and they can only do that if there's an active investigation.

但警方已经承认，目前没有人正在处理玛丽的案件。

But police have admitted that no one is currently working on Mary's case.

从那里开始，事情就彻底失控了。

So from there, it just spirals.

检察官办公室试图让法官回避，指控法官有偏见，声称她曾说过她认为比尔杀了玛丽。

The DA's office tries to get the judge removed, accusing the judge of bias, claiming that at some point, she said that she thought Bill killed Mary.

法官否认了这一说法，并拒绝退出此案。

The judge denies it, refuses to step aside.

随后，检察官多次提出上诉，整个来回拉锯持续了数月，这也带我们来到了现在。

Then the DA files multiple appeals, all of this back and forth over months, which brings me to right now.

哦，她还在外面吗？

Oh, she's still out?

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

这件事是活跃且持续进行的。

This is active and ongoing.

实际上，四月份将举行一次听证会。

There is actually a hearing coming up in April.

但施瓦茨表示，州方一直在打错仗，他们一直聚焦于法官下令停止使用密封证据时是否犯了错误。

But Swartz says that the state has been fighting the wrong battles, that they have been focused on whether the judge was wrong when she ordered them to stop using the sealed evidence.

但再说一次，即使他们赢了这场官司，所有东西仍然

But, again, even if they win that, everything is

仍然是密封的。

still sealed.

是的。

Yes.

这就像是争论你本不该被允许进入一个你根本进不去的房间。

It's like arguing you shouldn't be able to stay out of a room that you, like, cannot get into in the first place.

所以他们根本没触及到真正的关键问题。

So they're not even getting at the real No.

问题就在这里。

Issue here.

而且，即使他们成功解密了这些记录，大部分证据可能也毫无价值。

Plus, even if they do get the records unsealed, most of the evidence might be worthless.

因为上诉法院裁定，对他的手机进行搜查是非法的。

Because of the The appeals court decided that the search of his phone was illegal.

对吧？

Right?

那些证据根本就不该存在，本质上来说。

They shouldn't the evidence that's there shouldn't even be there, essentially.

是的。

Yeah.

所有由此衍生的证据，包括亚当笔记本电脑上的备份、凯蒂基于科克斯发现所作的陈述，全部都可能被排除。

Anything that came from it, including the backup on Adam's laptop, the statement that Katie made based on what Cox found, all of it can be tossed.

等等。

Wait.

为什么是笔记本电脑的备份？

Why the laptop backup?

他们不是有搜查他设备的令状吗？

Didn't they have a warrant for his devices?

他们确实有，但这份令状有几个问题。

They did, but there are a few problems with it.

比如，他们之所以知道要查这个，完全是因为先拿到了凯蒂的手机。

Like, for one, the only reason they even knew to look at it was because they had Katie's phone first.

哦，毒树之果。

Oh, fruit of the forbidden tree.

没错。

Exactly.

此外，亚当的电脑上是否本就不该有这份备份，这也是个问题。

On top of that, there's a question of whether Adam should have even had the backup on his computer.

但即使检方能使用它，现在它的效力也弱多了。

But even if prosecutors can use it, it's weaker now.

我的意思是，在庭审中，他们通过将备份与实体手机进行比对来验证备份，就像是匹配数字指纹，以证明没有人篡改过它。

I mean, at trial, they verified the backup by comparing it against the physical phone, basically, like matching digital fingerprints to, like, prove nobody had tampered with it.

现在手机被排除了，他们

With the phone suppressed now, they They

无法再这么做。

can't have that.

他们再也无法这么做了。

They can't even do that anymore.

所以你只剩下一份无法独立验证的备份文件，就躺在亚当的笔记本电脑里。

So you're left with, like, a backup file that they can't independently verify just sitting on Adam's laptop.

想想凯蒂第二次庭审时辩护方的论点。

And think about what the defense argued at Katie's second trial.

亚当很懂技术。

Adam is tech savvy.

亚当拥有这台笔记本电脑。

Adam had possession of the laptop.

亚当完全有机会篡改其中的内容。

Adam had every opportunity to manipulate what was on it.

如果没有手机来证明这些搜索记录也存在于凯蒂的实际设备上，辩护方可以说，这些有罪证据唯一存在的地方，就是那个其他人的电脑上。

Without the phone to prove that those searches also existed on Katie's actual device, the defense can say that the only place this incriminating evidence lives is on the computer belonging to the guy other guy.

他们认为就是他干的。

That they think did it.

是的。

Yep.

所以，即使对检方来说最理想的情况，如果没有手机作为佐证，这份备份文件的证明力也大打折扣。

So even in the best case scenario for prosecutors, that backup is nowhere near as powerful without the phone to back it up, for a lack of a better term.

实际上，它甚至可能损害他们的案件。

Actually, it could even hurt their case.

但无论他们选择哪条路径，时间都在流逝，因为与谋杀案不同，过失杀人案有诉讼时效。

But no matter what the path they wanna take is, the clock is ticking because unlike murder, manslaughter has a time limit.

施瓦茨表示，检察官可能只剩下三年时间。

Swartz says that prosecutors have maybe three more years.

如果他们在那之前无法再次起诉凯蒂，那就结束了。

And if they can't retry Katie before then, it's over.

我的意思是，她在二级谋杀罪上已经被判无罪了。

I mean, she got acquitted on the second degree murder.

对吧？

Right?

他们不能再拿这个指控回去起诉了。

They cannot go back with that.

他们现在只剩下过失杀人这个指控了。

All they have is that manslaughter charge.

即使调查人员想重新调查比尔或亚当——而他们显然也不想——他们也无能为力，因为两人在向大陪审团作证时都获得了豁免权。

And even if investigators wanted to take another look at Bill or at Adam, which they seemingly don't, they're out of luck because they both got immunity when they testified before the grand jury.

什么？

What?

我也有同样的反应。

I had the same reaction.

显然，在纽约，这很常见。

Apparently, in New York, that's routine.

常见？

Routine?

如果你说谎，这并不能保护你免于伪证罪，但它意味着他们两人都不会再因玛丽的死而被起诉，而目前来看，根本没有任何证据支持这一指控。

It doesn't protect you from perjury if you lie, but it does mean that neither of them can ever be prosecuted for Mary's death, which as it stands, there doesn't appear to be any evidence for anyway.

截至目前，这个案件在官方记录上仍属未破，但仅限于纸面而已。

As of right now, the case is officially unsolved, but only on paper.

警察确信他们逮捕了正确的人。

Police are sure that they arrested the right person.

检察官也确信受审的是正确的人。

Prosecutors are sure that the right person was on trial.

那凯蒂怎么说？

And what does Katie say?

你知道吗，她最近几年确实接受过ABC新闻的采访，就是我第一集提到的那个纪录片系列。

You know, she actually did an interview within the last couple of years with ABC News for that docu series I mentioned in the first episode.

我要说，她的律师告诉我们，她觉得当这些内容公布时，某些部分的呈现方式缺乏重要的背景信息。

And I will say her attorney told us that she feels that when it came out, it lacked important context in how some of it was presented.

但就其呈现方式而言，有些地方我觉得挺奇怪的。

But the way it was presented, there were parts that I found kind of odd.

比如，制作人问她是否曾在手机上搜索过致命毒物。

Like, producers ask her if she ever searched for lethal poisons on her phone.

而她没有直接回答‘没有’，而是说她根本没有理由去搜索毒物，因为她不是那种会做这种事的人。

And instead of just saying no, she told them that she doesn't even have a reason to search for poisons because she's not the type of person who could do something like that.

她的父母也被采访了，他们直接问她：你杀了玛丽吗？

And her parents who were also interviewed said that when they asked her straight up, did you kill Mary?

但答案并不是‘没有’。

Again, the answer is not no.

她基本上告诉他们：你知道，我将来想要一个家庭，那我为什么要毁掉自己的未来？

She basically told them, you know I want a family someday, so why would I jeopardize my future?

这同样不是一种否认。

Which again, not a denial.

就在那儿呢。

Like, is right there.

我知道。

I know.

但回答你的问题，凯蒂说她反复犹豫。

But to answer your question, Katie says that she goes back and forth.

有时候她觉得是比尔，也许是比尔和亚当。

Sometimes she thinks it was Bill, maybe Bill and Adam.

她只是确定那不是她做的。

She just knows it wasn't her.

好的。

Okay.

我还是不明白那些匿名信。

I'm still confused about the anonymous letters.

天哪。

Like Oh my gosh.

这对我来说是最模糊的部分。

That's like it's like the murkiest part to me.

她承认是她写的那些信吗？

Does she admit that she wrote them or she not?

有些人认为，她最初向警方承认写那些信是被迫的，实际上她并没有写

Some people think that her initial confession to police about writing those letters was coerced and that she didn't actually write them at

这些信。

all.

好的。

Okay.

但在她的第二次审判中，波切利说凯蒂确实承认了是她写的。

But during her second trial, Policelli said that Katie did admit to writing it.

但当ABC新闻问她这件事时，施瓦茨阻止了她回答。

But then when ABC News asked her about it, Swartz stopped her from answering.

所以你面前有这些相互矛盾的说法。

So you've got these, like, competing claims.

是的

Yeah.

要么凯蒂写了11月的信，这将她与Gmail账户和秋水仙碱订购联系起来；要么她写了信，但通往秋水仙碱的数字痕迹并没有调查人员声称的那么确凿。

Either Katie wrote the November letters, which ties her to the Gmail account and the colchicine order, Or she wrote the letters, but somehow the digital trail leading to the colchicine isn't as airtight as investigators claimed.

要么她写了完全不同的另一封信，但那封信从未送到警方手中。

Or she wrote a different letter entirely that just never got to police.

要么她根本没写任何信，她的供述是被逼迫的。

Or she didn't write any letters at all, and her confession was coerced.

所以这根本没澄清任何问题。

So that clears up absolutely nothing.

欢迎来到我的世界。

Welcome to my world.

说实话，我不确定有谁对这些信件的来龙去脉有明确的答案。

I'm honestly not sure anyone has a straight answer on all of the letter stuff.

我的意思是，这个案子的很多方面仍然悬而未决。

I mean, so much about this case is still up in the air.

我们的记者妮娜联系了比尔和亚当，但我们一直没有收到回复。

And our reporter, Nina, reached out to Bill and Adam, but we never heard back.

不过我们知道，玛丽的亲人们每天都能感受到她的缺席，他们之间的裂痕或许永远无法愈合。

What we do know, though, is that Mary's loved ones still feel her absence every day, and the divide between them may never heal.

我不知道比尔和凯瑟琳是否还在一起，但我们提到过的玛丽的其他姐妹，一直是凯蒂最坚定的支持者。

I don't know if Bill and Kathleen are still together, but Mary's other sisters that we've mentioned have remained some of Katie's biggest supporters.

她们甚至与康利一家联手，为凯蒂的释放而抗争。

They even teamed up with the Conley's to fight for her release.

但她们一直背负着内疚，因为她们是最初推动调查的人，从未想过这会导致一位如今她们认为无辜的女性入狱。

But they live with the guilt of being the ones who pushed for an investigation in the first place, never dreaming that it would lead to a woman that they now think is innocent.

当然，约德一家也有自己的沉重负担。

Of course, the Yoders have their own burdens.

塔蒙告诉ABC新闻，她一直难以接受自己曾经甚至怀疑过自己的父亲。

Tamron told ABC News that she struggles with the fact that she once even suspected her own father.

她说，亚当没有参与这档节目，或许永远无法摆脱自责，因为他当初把凯蒂带进了这个家庭。

And she said that Adam, who didn't participate in the show, may never stop blaming himself for bringing Katie into the family in the first place.

无论你相信发生了什么，有一件事是确定的，这也是最令人心碎的部分。

No matter what you believe happened, one thing is certain, and it's really the most devastating part of all.

玛丽不是被陌生人杀害的。

Mary wasn't killed by a stranger.

她是被一个她爱过、信任过，却从未料到会伤害她的人杀害的。

She was killed by someone she loved, someone she trusted, and someone that she never saw coming.

你可以在我们的网站 crimejunkie.com 上找到本集的所有原始资料。

You can find all the source material for this episode on our website, crimejunkie.com.

你还可以在 Instagram 上关注我们：crime junkie podcast。

And you can follow us on Instagram at crime junkie podcast.

我们下周会带来一集全新的内容。

We'll be back next week with a brand new episode.

《Crime Junkie》是由 AudioChuck 制作的节目。

Crime Junkie is an audiochuck production.

我想 Chuck 会赞同的。

I think Chuck would approve.

有些案件从新闻头条中消失了。

Some cases fade from headlines.

有些案件根本就没登上过头条。

Some never made it there to begin with.

我是阿什莉·弗劳尔斯，在我的播客《The Deck》中，我会讲述那些被印在监狱发行的扑克牌上的冷案故事，这些扑克牌旨在激发新线索，带来迟来的正义。

I'm Ashley Flowers, and on my podcast, The Deck, I tell you the stories of cold cases featured on playing cards distributed in prisons designed to spark new leads and bring long overdue justice.

因为这些故事值得被听见，这些受害者的亲人依然值得得到答案。

Because these stories deserve to be heard, and the loved ones of these victims still deserve answers.

你准备好加入这场牌局了吗？

Are you ready to be dealt in?

现在就去你常用的播客平台收听《The Deck》吧。

Listen to the deck now wherever you get your podcasts.