Crime Junkie - 警告:AI 语音克隆与虚拟绑架 封面

警告:AI 语音克隆与虚拟绑架

WARNING: AI Voice Cloning and Virtual Kidnappings

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来自你所爱之人的求救电话已足够令人恐惧——但如果那个苦苦哀求帮助的声音并非本人呢?我们深入剖析 AI 语音克隆如何助长虚拟绑架诈骗,为何恐慌是诈骗分子倚仗的武器,以及在你家电话响起前,家人必须进行一次的关键对话。 若你遭遇此类情况,请立即举报:若已涉及金钱交易,请联系当地 FBI 外勤办公室或拨打 1-800-CALL-FBI;即使未蒙受经济损失,也请在 IC3.gov 提交报告。 本集节目的参考资料因字数限制无法在此列出。如需完整来源列表,请访问:https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/warning-ai-voice-cloning-and-virtual-kidnappings 你知道吗?你可以收听无广告版本的这一集!加入粉丝俱乐部!访问 https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/fanclub/ 查看当前的会员选项与政策。 不要错过 Crime Junkie 的一切动态! Instagram:@crimejunkiepodcast | @audiochuck Twitter:@CrimeJunkiePod | @audiochuck TikTok:@crimejunkiepodcast Facebook:/CrimeJunkiePodcast | /audiochuckllc Crime Junkie 由 Ashley Flowers 和 Brit Prawat 主持。 Instagram:@ashleyflowers | @britprawat Twitter:@Ash_Flowers | @britprawat TikTok:@ashleyflowerscrimejunkie Facebook:/AshleyFlowers.AF 发送短信至 317-733-7485 与 Ashley 交流所有真实犯罪话题,获取幕后更新等更多内容! 由 Simplecast 制作,AdsWizz 旗下公司。有关我们收集和使用个人数据用于广告的信息,请访问 pcm.adswizz.com。

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大家好,我是犯罪迷们。

Hi, Crime Junkies.

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我是布里特,有个重磅消息要告诉你们。

It's Brit, and I have big news.

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我最爱的季节性节目《逆时针》回归了,全新一季,简直太炸了。

One of my favorite seasonal shows, Counterclock, is back with a brand new season, and it is wild.

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主持人黛莉亚·达姆布拉正在深入调查2008年的莱恩·布赖恩特谋杀案。

Host Delia D'Ambra is digging into the 2008 Lane Bryant Murders.

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我的意思是,这不只是简单的回顾。

I mean, this isn't just a recap.

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这是一次重新调查。

It is a reinvestigation.

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她采访了警方、当地居民,甚至一些从未在公开场合说过话的消息来源。

She's talking to law enforcement, people from the community, even sources who have never spoken publicly until now.

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你们知道,我特别喜欢那种把所有问题都提出来的节目。

And you know I love a show that asks all the questions.

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现在就去你常用的播客平台收听《Counterclock》第八季吧。

Listen to Counterclock season eight now wherever you get your podcasts.

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你好,Crime Junkies。

Hi, Crime Junkies.

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我是你们的主持人,艾什莉·弗劳尔斯。

I'm your host, Ashley Flowers.

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今天我要讲的这个故事,你一定要从头听到尾。

And the story I have for you today is one that I want you to listen to every single second of.

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因为听完之后,你一定会想立刻打电话给所有你关心的人,做一件简单却能帮你避开最可怕经历的事。

Because by the time it's over, you're gonna wanna call every person you love and do one simple thing that could save you from one of the most terrifying experiences imaginable.

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这件事正在真实地发生在当下的人身上。

This is about something that's happening right now to real people.

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随着科技越来越先进,那些想利用科技作恶的人也变得越来越狡猾。

And as technology gets more advanced, so do the criminals looking to exploit it.

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很多人根本不知道这种事情竟然真的可能发生。

Lots of people have no idea that this is even possible.

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最让人不安的是,做这种事的工具居然这么便宜、这么容易搞到,而且更新速度还快得惊人。

And the real unsettling part, how cheap and accessible the tools to do this actually are and how fast they're evolving.

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这个故事讲的是,当你听到亲人声音的时候,可能正是噩梦的开始,以及你该如何保护自己。

This is the story about how hearing the voice of someone you love could be the beginning of a nightmare and what you can do to fight back.

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詹妮弗·德斯泰法诺是那种永远停不下来的妈妈。

Jennifer DeStefano is one of those moms who's always on the move.

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她和丈夫有四个孩子,年龄都挨得很近。

She and her husband have four kids in close age.

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所以大多数周末,他们只能分头行动,才能应付得过来。

And most weekends, that means splitting up just to keep up.

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2023年1月20日,周五下午快下班时,詹妮弗在亚利桑那州斯科茨代尔的舞蹈工作室接13岁的女儿下课,而她丈夫则在大约150英里外的山区,带着最小的儿子和15岁的女儿布里安娜,陪她训练滑雪比赛。

So on this particular late Friday afternoon, 01/20/2023, while Jennifer is in Scottsdale, Arizona swinging by their 13 year old daughter's dance studio to pick her up after a lesson, her husband is about a 150 miles north in the mountains with their youngest son and their 15 year old daughter, Brianna, so she can do some training for ski races.

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就在詹妮弗从车里出来、走进舞蹈工作室停车场时,她的手机响了。

Now Jennifer is getting out of her car in the studio parking lot when her phone rings.

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来电显示是未知号码,她本来想直接挂断,但未知来电也可能是医院打来的。

It's an unknown number and she almost lets it go to voicemail, but unknown calls can be from hospitals.

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而且布里安娜在山上,不接这个电话太冒险了,她还是接了起来。

And with Brianna on a mountain, it's too risky to ignore it, so she picks up.

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电话那头确实是布里安娜,但她哭得厉害,几乎说不成话。

And it is Brianna on the line, but she's crying, barely holding it together.

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她对珍妮弗说:妈妈,我搞砸了。

And she tells Jennifer, mom, I messed up.

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珍妮弗没有慌乱。

Now Jennifer doesn't panic.

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她心想,也许布里安娜滑雪时受伤了。

She's thinking that maybe Brianna got hurt skiing.

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于是她安抚道:别急,布里,深呼吸,慢慢说。

So she's like, you know, it's okay, Brie, calm down.

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到底发生什么事了?

What's going on?

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怎么了?

What's wrong?

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接着她听到一个男人的声音插进来,让布里安娜躺下,把头往后仰。

And then she hears a man's voice cut in, telling Brianna to lay down and put her head back.

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突然间,她听见女儿尖叫:妈妈,有几个坏人抓着我。

And then suddenly she hears her daughter cry out, mom, these bad men have me.

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救救我。

Help me.

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救救我。

Help me.

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然后那个男人直接抢过电话,告诉珍妮弗他抓到了她女儿。

And then the man fully takes the phone and he tells Jennifer that he has her daughter.

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如果她敢报警,或者向任何人透露半个字,他们就再也见不到女儿了——他会给她下药,性侵她,然后把她丢在墨西哥等死。

And if she calls the police or breathes a word of this to anyone, they will never see her again because he's going to drug her, sexually assault her, and leave her for dead in Mexico.

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她几乎听不清对方在说什么,因为她的全部注意力都集中在背景里女儿不断尖叫、哀求的声音上,直到那声音渐渐模糊,像是被拖离了电话。

She can barely hear what he's saying because all she can focus on is her daughter in the background yelling and pleading until her voice goes muffled like she's being pulled away from the phone.

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珍妮弗颤抖着冲进舞蹈教室的门。

Jennifer is shaking as she pushes through the dance studio doors.

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她现在把通话设成外放,但静音了自己,好让对方听不见,然后她拼命大喊求救。

Now she keeps the man on speakerphone but mutes herself so he can't hear her and she screams for help.

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其他妈妈们迅速围了过来。

And other moms gather fast.

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一位妈妈冲出去拨了911,其余的人围住珍妮弗,听着电话那头一连串令人毛骨悚然的威胁。

One rushes outside to call 911 while the rest surround Jennifer and listen as the caller makes threat after horrifying threat.

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珍妮弗恳求再和女儿说一句话,但那个男人拒绝让她再接通女儿。

And Jennifer begs to speak to her daughter again, but the man won't put her back on the phone.

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现在全是他在说话。

He's doing all of the talking now.

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他提出用布里安娜的性命来交换的东西,简直让人难以置信。

And what he wants in exchange for Brianna's life is staggering.

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一百万美元。

$1,000,000.

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珍妮弗现在愿意答应任何条件。

Jennifer is willing to agree to anything right now.

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但当她开始问怎么才能凑齐这么多钱时,对方在心里一算,觉得她根本不可能弄到这笔钱——他只要现金,而且绝不给她时间去筹措。

But once she starts questioning how she's supposed to get him all that money, the guy starts doing the math in his head, and he decides on his own that there's no way she's gonna be able to come up with that much money because he wants cash only and he's not gonna give her time to get it together.

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于是他迅速决定给她打个折。

So he makes this quick decision to give her a discount.

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只要五万美元就行。

He'll take $50,000 instead.

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他态度非常坚决。

And he's adamant.

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他不想碰任何转账或者账户信息。

He's not willing to mess with wire transfers or routing numbers.

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那些东西太容易被追踪了。

All that stuff is way too traceable.

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所以他的计划是这样的。

So this is the plan.

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他说她得把五万块凑齐,然后他会开一辆白色面包车来接她。

He says she needs to get the $50 together, and then he's gonna come pick her up in a white van.

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她上车后,那人会用袋子套住她的头,然后带她去一个秘密地点,用五万美元换回布里安娜。

She'll get in, he'll put a bag over her head, and then he'll bring her to some undisclosed place to exchange the money for Brianna.

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他还警告詹妮弗,他到的时候,她必须把每一分钱都带齐。

And he warns Jennifer, she better have every dollar on her when he gets there.

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否则,她和她女儿都别想活命。

Otherwise, both her and her daughter are dead.

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整个过程中,詹妮弗的小女儿一直站在那儿,吓得动弹不得,听着这个男人威胁要伤害并杀死她的姐姐和妈妈。

Now this whole time, Jennifer's younger daughter has been just standing there frozen in fear as she listens to this man threatened to assault and kill her sister and her mother.

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于是另一位家长拿过女孩的手机,试着联系詹妮弗的丈夫,因为丈夫更可能接听来自他们另一个女儿的号码,而不是一个陌生号码。

So another parent actually grabs the girl's phone and tries to contact Jennifer's husband because he's way more likely to answer from his other daughter's number than one he doesn't recognize.

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他们必须尽快联系上他,弄清楚到底发生了什么。

And they need to get in touch with him and find out what's going on.

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她已经失踪多久了?

How long has she been gone?

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他到现在还不知道女儿不见了吗?

Does he even know that she's missing yet?

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但她一打电话,电话就一直响,响个不停,最后直接转到语音信箱了。

But when she calls, the phone just rings and rings and rings and keeps rolling over to voicemail.

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就在这一片混乱中,刚才打过911的那位妈妈回到屋里,开始跟詹妮弗说话。

As all of this chaos is unfolding, the mom who called 911 comes back inside and begins talking to Jennifer.

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她说,这肯定是假的。

She says, this has to be fake.

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911接线员告诉她,最近这种案子越来越多了。

The nine one one dispatcher had told her that they've gotten more and more of these lately.

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是有人用AI伪造了亲人的声音。

A recording of a loved one made from AI.

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他们让你去买礼品卡、比特币之类的。

They asked you to get some gift cards, Bitcoin, or something.

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但詹妮弗坚决不同意。

But Jennifer pushes back.

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她说,这根本不是那么回事。

She's like, that's not what this is.

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那不是录音。

It wasn't a recording.

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这是一场来回互动的对话,和她女儿面对面聊的。

This was a back and forth interactive conversation with her daughter.

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而且他们还要求见面拿钱,这完全是另一回事了,警方可能从来没遇到过这种事。

And on top of that, they wanted to meet to get the money, which is like a whole different ballgame, the likes of which the department probably hasn't seen.

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不过,根据在线的接线员说,还是别信。

Still, according to the dispatcher they have on the line, they say don't trust it.

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现在的技术已经能让你和它进行一场像真人的对话了。

The technology is advanced enough for you to have a conversation with it.

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它甚至能模仿出人说话时的情感语气。

It can even replicate emotions in someone's voice.

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但詹妮弗根本不信。

But Jennifer isn't buying it.

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这不只是一个有感情的声音。

This wasn't just an emotional voice.

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那是布里安娜的声音,连她哭的时候那种独特的颤抖都一模一样。

It was Brianna's emotional voice right down to the specific unique way that she cries, like the distinct quiver in her voice.

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机器怎么可能模仿出这种细节?

How could a machine fake that?

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这简直不可能。

It seems impossible.

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所以珍妮弗一边稳住对方,拖延时间等警察来,一边答应他一定会想办法凑齐钱。

So Jennifer is still keeping the guy on the line trying to stall until police arrive, promising him that she's doing everything she can to pull the money together.

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就在她惊慌失措的时候,有人递给她另一部手机,听筒里传来一个熟悉的声音——她丈夫的。

Then in the midst of her panic, someone hands her a different phone, and it's a familiar voice she hears, her husband's.

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他刚才在洗澡,所以没接到那几通紧急来电,可现在他很困惑,因为布里安娜好好的。

He had been in the shower, which is why he'd missed the barrage of calls over the past few minutes, but he's confused by the urgency because Brianna's fine.

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他正看着她。

He's looking at her.

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她在写作业,根本不是在求救。

She's catching up on homework, not begging for her life.

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他们俩对发生在斯科茨代尔、詹妮弗那边的一切都一无所知。

And they are both totally in the dark about everything that's happening back in Scottsdale where Jennifer is.

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经历了刚才那些事之后,听到丈夫说布里安娜没事,根本没法让她安心。

After what she has just been through, hearing that Brianna is fine from her husband isn't even enough.

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詹妮弗非得亲耳听到布里安娜的声音才行,可就连女儿在电话里的声音,也没能像她预期的那样让她完全放心。

Jennifer needs to hear it from Brianna, but even her daughter's voice on the line doesn't totally reassure her like she thought it would.

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她现在根本不敢相信自己的耳朵。

She can't trust her own ears right now.

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她一遍又一遍地问:‘真的是你吗?’

She keeps asking her, is it really you?

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你真的没事吗?

Are you really okay?

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反反复复问,直到她终于信了。

Over and over again until finally it sinks in.

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女儿还活着,好好的。

Her daughter is alive and well.

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等她终于确信之后,詹妮弗转过身,重新面对电话那头的绑架犯,但这次她不再害怕了。

And once she is finally convinced, Jennifer turns back to the would be kidnapper on the phone, but she's not fearful anymore.

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现在,她满腔怒火。

Now she is furious.

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她告诉他,他做的事是人能干出来的最邪恶的事之一,而他却还想硬撑。

She tells him that what he's doing is one of the most evil things a person can do, And he tries to double down.

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他一再坚持说他抓着女儿,还威胁要杀了她们母女。

He keeps insisting that he has her daughter and threatening to kill them both.

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但到这个时候,詹妮弗已经不想再听了。

But by this point, Jennifer is done.

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她直接挂了电话,然后整个人瘫坐在地上,长舒了一口气。

She hangs up before she just collapses on the floor in relief.

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整个事件持续了大约四分钟。

Now this whole ordeal lasted about four minutes.

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但当詹妮弗回想起这件事带来的伤害,以及它可能造成的后果时,简直令人不寒而栗。

But when Jennifer thinks about the damage that it did cause and what it could have caused, it's chilling.

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如果当时有人去接她,警察根本不会追着她不放,顺便说一句,警察根本就没来。

And if there had been someone to come get her, police wouldn't have been hot on her trail because, by the way, they never showed up.

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我想是因为接线员早就认定这是个骗局,所以根本没派人来,这让我觉得挺不可思议的,不管他们听过多少类似的电话。

I guess since the dispatcher had already concluded it was a scam, they didn't even bother to send anyone, which is kind of wild to me because I don't care how many of these calls that they've been hearing about.

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这次的情况可太夸张了。

This one sounds extreme.

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就算一开始是骗局,天知道后面会发展成什么样。

Like, even if it started as a scam, god only knows where this was headed.

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到底他们想干什么?

Like, what was the end game?

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这会不会是个测试?

Was it all a test?

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会不会有人真的去救她?

Would someone have shown up for her?

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我不清楚,詹妮弗也不知道。

I don't know, and neither does Jennifer.

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但那天晚上她再次联系警方时,得到的答复却是没出事就没问题。

But when she followed up with law enforcement later that night, she was basically told no harm, no foul.

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他们说根本没发生任何犯罪行为。

They said there was no actual crime committed.

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没有人被绑架,也没人受到身体伤害。

No one was physically kidnapped or harmed.

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也没有任何金钱交易发生。

No money exchanged hands.

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这件事被定性为恶作剧。

It was deemed a prank.

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但对詹妮弗来说,这远远不够。

That is not enough for Jennifer.

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她整晚都睡不着,脑子里不断盘旋着这些问题。

She stays up all night trying to answer the questions running through her mind.

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他们是怎么弄到她女儿的声音的?

How did they get her daughter's voice?

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他们当时有没有被监视?

Were they being watched?

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他们是不是被专门针对了?

Had they been targeted?

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那他们当时或现在真的有危险吗?

Were they in any danger actually then or still?

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她跟我们的记者尼娜说,她翻遍了布里安娜所有能找得到的数字痕迹。

As she told our reporter Nina, she went through every piece of Brianna's digital footprint that she could find.

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布里安娜的Instagram和TikTok账号。

Brianna's Instagram, her TikTok account.

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但布里安娜的Instagram和TikTok都是私密账号,粉丝也就几十个。

But Brianna's Instagram and her TikTok accounts are private, and she only has a few dozen followers.

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虽然网上能搜到一两条她跟运动有关的内容,但完全没法解释詹妮弗在电话里听到的那些话。

And while there are a couple of, like, athletics related things of her out there, there is nothing that comes close to explaining what Jennifer heard on that call.

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所以直到今天,她还是搞不清楚他们到底是怎么做到的。

So still, to this day, she hasn't been able to figure out how they did it.

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但她发现了一个庞大的群体,很多人都经历过类似的事情。

But what she does find is a vast community of people who have been through something similar.

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因为当珍妮弗在Nextdoor上发帖警告这件事时,回应如潮水般涌来。

Because when Jennifer posted a warning about what happened to her on Nextdoor, the responses flood in.

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有些人态度恶劣,说珍妮弗太容易上当了,但更多人分享了他们自己版本的相同经历。

Some people were nasty and said that Jennifer was just being gullible, but lots came back with their own versions of this same story.

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我也遇到过这种情况。

This happened to me.

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我父母、我兄弟姐妹也遇到过。

This happened to my parents, to my sibling.

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一位舞蹈班的妈妈说,她妹妹最近被同样的电话骗走了1500美元。

One of the dance studio moms said that her sister had recently been scammed out of $1,500 by the same type of call.

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珍妮弗的一个朋友接到一个电话,声音完全像她刚哄睡的八岁儿子在求救。

A friend of Jennifer's got a call that sounded exactly like her eight year old son begging for his life after she had just tucked him into bed.

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打电话的人甚至用了孩子的专属小名,可这孩子根本没手机,也没任何线上社交账号。

The caller even used his private nickname, and this kid didn't even have a phone or social media or any presence online.

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所以他们到底是怎么复制出他声音的,简直没法理解。

So who the hell knows how they managed to replicate his voice?

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詹妮弗的妈妈也接到过一个电话,对方冒充她儿子,但她听力不好,一直让对方重复说。

I mean, Jennifer's own mother had gotten a call from someone pretending to be Jennifer's brother, but her mom is hard of hearing so she kept asking the caller to repeat himself.

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最后她直接说:我儿子才不会这样跟我讲话。

And eventually, she just told them, my son would never talk to me like this.

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你去找你亲妈吧,说完就挂了电话。

Go find your real mother, and she hung up on him.

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直到詹妮弗出了这事,她妈妈才想起来提这事儿。

And her mom didn't even think to mention it until Jennifer's whole ordeal happened.

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这可不只是伪造绑架案。

And these weren't just fake kidnappings.

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詹妮弗还听说了假逮捕、假医疗紧急情况,各种花样都有。

Jennifer heard about fake arrests, fake medical emergencies, you name it.

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场景不同,套路却一模一样。

Different scenarios, same playbook.

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电话那头传来亲人声音,说他们遇到了某种紧急情况。

A loved one's voice on the other end of the line claiming to be in some kind of crisis.

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那么,这类电话里到底发生了什么?

So what actually happens on these calls?

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虚拟绑架骗局已经存在多年了,骗子打电话说抓了你的亲人,要求赎金。

Virtual kidnapping scams where someone calls a person claiming to have their loved one and demanding ransom have been around for years.

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以前的做法很粗糙,可能就是一段通用的录音,背景里有人尖叫,再加上一套固定的威胁台词。

The old version was crude, maybe like a generic recording of someone screaming in the background and a scripted set of threats.

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现在变化的是技术,而且还在不断升级。

What has changed now and what keeps changing is the technology.

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AI语音克隆软件现在能完美复刻一个人的声音,包括特有的语调和节奏。

AI voice cloning software can now replicate exactly what someone sounds like, their specific cadence and inflection.

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就像布里安娜的案例,连他们哭泣时的独特方式都能模仿出来。

Even like in Brianna's case, the unique way they cry.

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而这种声音素材,到处都是。

And the raw material is everywhere.

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语音留言、TikTok视频、Instagram短视频、YouTube视频、播客——随便什么,只要有一点声音就行,根本不需要多少。

Voicemail greetings, a TikTok, an Instagram reel, a YouTube video, a podcast, hi, anything, and they don't need much.

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几年前,网络安全公司迈克菲测试过这些工具,发现只要三秒钟的音频——比说一句‘你好,你是谁’还短——就足以生成一个逼真的声音克隆。

Researchers at the cybersecurity company McAfee tested these tools a couple of years ago and found that just three seconds of audio, less time than it takes to say, hello, who's calling, is enough to produce a convincing clone.

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而那是三年前的事了。

And that was three years ago.

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现在,能做这种事的软件,每月最低只要五美元。

Access to software that can do that costs as little as $5 a month now.

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同时,来电显示还能被伪造,显示你亲人的真实姓名和号码。

Meanwhile, caller ID can be spoofed to display your loved one's actual name and number.

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而且这种骗局还在不断升级。

And the scam keeps evolving.

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2025年12月,FBI发出警告,称骗子现在会把这类电话和AI修改的‘活人证明’照片结合起来使用。

In December 2025, the FBI issued a warning that criminals are now pairing these calls with AI altered proof of life photos.

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这些经过处理的亲人照片通常以秒删消息的形式发送,让你根本来不及仔细看、质疑或分析。

Manipulated images of your loved one often sent as disappearing messages time to vanish before you have a chance to really, like, look at them, criticize them, analyze them.

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因为只要几秒钟的慌乱就足够了。

Because a few seconds of panic is all it takes.

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根据各方面说法,深度伪造语音诈骗不仅在增加,

Now by all accounts, deep fake voice scams aren't just increasing.

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而是在急剧飙升。

They're exploding.

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但准确的统计数据很难获取。

But clear statistics are hard to come by.

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FBI告诉我们,这些案件都被归入更宽泛的类别,很多根本就没被统计进去。

The FBI told us that they get lumped into broader categories, and a lot of cases never even make it into the numbers at all.

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有些受害者觉得丢脸,选择不报案。

Some victims are embarrassed and don't report it.

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还有些人,像珍妮弗的妈妈,根本没意识到自己被盯上了。

Others, like Jennifer's mom, don't even realize that they've been targeted.

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还有一些人试图报案,结果却像珍妮弗一样,被警察告知无能为力。

And some who do try to report it end up in Jennifer's position being told by police that there's nothing they can do.

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什么都没发生。

Nothing happened.

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就是个恶作剧。

It was just a prank.

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虽然当地警方对这类骗局越来越熟悉,但要调查起来还是几乎不可能。

And while local law enforcement is getting more familiar with these scams, they are still damn near impossible to investigate.

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其中一个主要问题是,很多骗子都藏在美國以外的地方。

One of the biggest issues is that a lot of these callers are operating outside of The US.

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钱转出国外的速度很快,等有人开始追查时,几乎已经没什么线索可找了。

The money moves out of the country fast and by the time anyone starts looking into it, there's almost nothing left to trace.

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很多骗局源自墨西哥,专门针对美国西南部的拉美裔家庭,因为当骗子说家人被带过边境扣押时,听起来更可信。

Many of these scams originate in Mexico and target Latino families in the Southwestern US where it's more believable when someone says that a loved one has been taken over the border and held there.

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而这些社区恰恰是最不太可能报案的。

And those are also some of the communities least likely to report.

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那么,我们到底知道些什么?

So what do we know?

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这类骗局本质上就像一家公司一样在运作。

These sorts of scams are basically run like a business.

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FBI特工惠特尼·米切尔说,这就像一个呼叫中心,员工不停地拨号、威胁、勒索,然后换下一个目标。

FBI agent Whitney Mitchell compared it to a call center with operators constantly cycling through numbers, threatening, demanding, and moving on.

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他们追求的是数量,而不是精准。

They go for volume over precision.

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不需要很多人上当,因为只要有人付钱,平均金额高达一万一千美元。但问题不止是金钱损失。

They don't need many people to fall for it because when someone does pay, the average amount is $11,000 But there aren't just financial concerns.

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去年九月,在堪萨斯州发生过一起事件。

Take an incident that happened last September in Kansas.

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一位女士接到一通电话,来电显示是她母亲的号码。

A woman got a call that appeared to come from her mother's phone.

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电话那头的男人声称手里有枪,正抵着她母亲的头,要求赎金。

A man on the other end of the line claimed to have a gun to her mom's head and was demanding a ransom.

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而背景里,她能清楚地听到母亲的声音,一模一样。

And in the background, she could hear what sounded exactly like her mother's voice.

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她哥哥也接到同样的电话,见妈妈没接电话,他们就报了警。

Her brother got an identical call, and when their mom didn't pick up her phone, they called 911.

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警察通过定位发现她妈妈的手机在一辆行驶中的车里。

Police tracked their mother's phone location to a moving car.

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他们以为是正在发生的劫持案,立刻采取高风险拦截行动,枪口都对准了那辆车。

And thinking that it was an active hostage situation, they executed a high risk traffic stop with weapons drawn.

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结果发现,妈妈完全没事,根本不知道发生了这些事,她只是在开车送一个她认识的人去取车。

What they found was the mother, totally safe, unaware any of this was happening, driving a man that she actually knew to pick up his car.

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骗子伪造了她的号码,让电话看起来像是她打来的,但她对此毫不知情。

Scammers had spoofed her number to make the calls appear to come from her, but she had no idea.

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幸运的是,这次没人受伤,至少身体上没事,但这次是侥幸。

Now luckily in that case, no one was hurt, at least not physically, but that was this time.

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就连警察都称之为恶作剧的事件,也从没人能全身而退。

And no one gets left unscathed even after the incidents that police just call a prank.

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珍妮弗说,他们经历的创伤是真实的,一直挥之不去。

Jennifer said that the trauma they went through was real and it stayed with her.

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即使生活继续向前,布里安娜依然在与这段经历作斗争。

It's something Brianna has continued to deal with even as she moves forward with her life.

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她现在上大学,主修经济学,你可能想不到,还学了人工智能。

She's in college now where she is studying economics and, believe it or not, AI.

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她正在学习如何利用曾经用来恐吓她家人的技术。

She's learning to harness the tech that was once used to terrorize her family.

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她过得还不错,但这件事在她心里留下了长久的情感伤痕。

And she's doing well, but the whole thing has left a lasting emotional scar on her.

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在经历了一次人工智能制造的校园枪击虚假警报和多次封锁后,她又承受了更多创伤。

And she's had to navigate more trauma after experiencing an AI generated active shooter hoax and multiple lockdowns on her college campus.

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珍妮弗公开讲述他们的遭遇后,这件事登上了全国新闻。

Now after Jennifer came forward with their story, the case became national news.

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媒体的关注传到了国会,一位参议员邀请珍妮弗在2023年6月的美国参议院司法委员会听证会上作证,她去了。

The media attention reached Capitol Hill, and a senator asked Jennifer to testify before the US Senate Judiciary Committee had a hearing on AI regulation, which she did in June 2023.

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以下是她证词中的一段片段。

And here is a clip from her testimony.

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骗钱的把戏已经存在了几千年。

Money scams have been around for thousands of years.

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但这完全不一样。

This is entirely different.

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这是带来持久心理创伤的恐吓。

This is terrorizing lasting trauma.

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即使过了好几个月,讲起这件事我还是浑身发抖。

Even months later, sharing the story makes me shake to my core.

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那是我女儿的声音。

It was my daughter's voice.

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是她的呼救。

It was her cries.

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是她的抽泣。

It was her sobs.

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是她说话的语气。

It was the way she spoke.

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那个声音,还有她绝望的呼救,我这辈子都忘不掉。

I will never be able to shake that voice and the desperate cries for help out of my mind.

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作为父母,再没有比听到孩子带着恐惧和痛苦求救却无能为力更可怕的了。

It's every parent's worst nightmare to hear your child pleading with fear and pain, knowing that they are being harmed and that you're helpless.

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这种恐怖行为如果一直得不到惩处,只会愈演愈烈。

The longer this form of terror remains unpunishable, the farther and more egregious it will become.

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当世界以闪电般的速度向前奔涌,那些支撑我们社会信任基础的熟悉感——什么才是真实、什么才是可信的——正被人工智能彻底颠覆。

As our world moves at a lightning fast pace, the human element of familiarity that lays foundation to our social fabric of what is known and what is truth is being revolutionized with AI.

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有人用它行善,也有人用它作恶。

Some for good and some for evil.

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从此以后,眼见不再为实,耳听也不再为真,甚至你亲生孩子的声音,你都不敢再信。

No longer can we trust seeing is believing, or I heard it with my own ears or even the sound of your own child's voice.

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当你的母亲打来电话,你还会不会先挂断,再打回去确认是不是她本人?

I ask you, when your mother calls, are you going to hang up on her and call her back to make sure it's her?

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当你的孩子打电话求救,你会不会直接挂掉,说一句‘这不可能是你’?

When your child calls in need of help, will you end the call and say, I don't believe it's really you?

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这就是我们的新常态了吗?

Is this our new normal?

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我们放任人工智能滥用,既无后果又无监管,这就是我们正在打造的未来吗?

Is this the future we are creating by enabling the abuses of artificial intelligence without consequence and without regulation?

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到目前为止,监管还没跟上。

So far, regulation hasn't caught up.

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2025年,所有50个州首次都提出了与人工智能相关的法案。

For the first time, all 50 states introduced AI related legislation in 2025.

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但即便有了这些进展,依然没有清晰的路线图。

But even with that movement, there is no clear roadmap.

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在联邦层面,各届政府一会儿设立监管框架,一会儿又撤掉,就像下棋时摆来摆去的棋子,只为讨好当下想拉拢的人或赚更多的钱。

At the federal level, administrations are putting up and then pulling back guardrails like some kind of chess piece that will play well with whoever they're trying to appeal to or will make them the most money.

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根本没人真正在乎那些被这种几乎毫无监管的新技术伤害的人。

No one is actually giving a shit about the people who are being hurt by this new technology that operates pretty much unregulated.

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国会到目前为止通过的少数几项重大人工智能相关法律之一,就是针对虚假图像的。

One of the only major AI related laws congress has actually managed to pass so far targets fake images.

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目前还没有一部全面的联邦法律专门规范AI语音克隆技术。

There is no comprehensive federal law specifically governing AI voice cloning.

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在很多方面,这简直就像西部荒野一样混乱。

In a lot of ways, it is still like the Wild West.

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等人们好不容易搞清楚怎么应对一种版本时,技术早就又升级了——变得更便宜、更快,也最可怕的是,更难被识破。

By the time anyone figures out how to respond to one version of this, the technology has already moved on, getting cheaper, faster, and scariest of all, harder to detect.

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如果你不够冷静,那就特别容易上当,而这正是骗子们所期待的。

And it's especially hard if you're not clear headed, and that's what they're counting on.

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听到你爱的人在尖叫求救,那种恐慌感,根本不是诈骗的副作用。

Hearing someone you love screaming for help, that panic that you feel isn't a side effect of the scam.

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那恰恰就是诈骗的目的本身。

It's the whole point.

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那我们能做些什么呢?

So what can we do?

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FBI给了我们这样的建议。

Here is what the FBI told us.

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每种情况都不一样,所以没有万能的应对方法。

And every situation is different, so there is no perfect playbook for it.

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如果你觉得亲人真的有危险,立刻打911。

But if you think your loved one is in real danger, call 911.

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如果事后发现是骗局,再慢慢处理也不迟。

If it turns out to be a scam, you'll sort that out after.

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拿不准的时候,就打电话。

When in doubt, call.

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同时,你得尽量保持冷静,放慢节奏。

At the same time, you have to try to stay calm and slow down.

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整个骗局就是靠你的恐惧来运转的。

The entire scam runs on your fear.

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他们需要你害怕。

They need you scared.

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他们必须让你慌乱、快速行动,才能得手。

They need you reacting and moving fast for it to work.

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他们不希望你质疑他们的说辞。

They don't want you questioning their story.

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但这些电话归根结底是为了钱,只要他们觉得你还有可能付钱,就会尽量拖着不挂。

But these calls are about money, and as long as they think that there is a chance you'll pay, they will probably stay on the line.

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所以你要利用这段时间。

So use that time.

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用你早就存下的号码,换一个设备联系你的亲人,别用对方提供的号码。

Reach out to your loved one on a separate device using a number that you already have, not one that the caller gives you.

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如果你身边有人,就让他们去联系,你继续跟对方周旋。

Now, if you're with someone, have them do it while you keep the caller talking.

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珍妮弗的情况就是这么迅速解决的。

That's how Jennifer's situation ended as quickly as it did.

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根据国家网络安全联盟的说法,你还可以试着让对方改视频通话。

According to the National Cybersecurity Alliance, you can also try asking the caller to switch to a video call.

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大多数骗子还做不到同时准备好语音克隆和视频深度伪造,至少目前还做不到。

Most scammers don't have both a voice clone and a video deep fake ready at once, at least not yet.

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但即使这样,也终究不是万无一失的。

But even that won't be foolproof forever.

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如果他们发给你任何东西——照片、音频、证明还活着的截图——赶紧截屏或保存下来,等它消失前,这可能是他们留下的唯一证据。

And if they send you anything, photos, audio, proof of life, screenshot it, or save it before it disappears because it may be the only evidence they leave behind.

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俗话说得好,防患于未然,胜过事后补救。

But you know what they say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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最重要的一点,就是你听完这期节目后,马上去定一个暗号,一个只有你们圈子里的人才知道的词或短语,万一接到那种电话,就可以用它来确认身份。

And the biggest thing, like the thing you should do today the second you're done listening to this episode is to set up a safe word, a specific word or phrase that only your circle knows that you can demand if you ever get that call.

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别选那种太明显、容易被猜到的。

Don't pick something obvious or easy to find out.

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别用宠物的名字、生日,或者类似的东西。

No one's pets names or birthdays or anything like that.

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选一个外人听了完全摸不着头脑的词。

Choose something that would be completely meaningless to a stranger.

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加州大学伯克利分校专攻数字取证和虚假信息的哈尼·法里德教授告诉《科学美国人》,他和妻子就有一个暗号,他的建议是偶尔互相考一考,因为这跟密码不一样,你不会经常用它,时间一长很容易忘。

Hani Farid, a professor at UC Berkeley who specializes in digital forensics and misinformation told Scientific American that he has a code word with his wife and his advice was to test each other on it occasionally because unlike a password, you won't use it often enough for it to stay fresh in your head.

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而且你要让这个暗号变成一种本能反应,不管紧急情况是真是假,都能脱口而出。

And you want it to be muscle memory when an emergency, real or fake, hits.

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另外,一定要确保这个暗号保密。

Also, be sure to keep the word private.

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只当面告诉对方,或者通过加密渠道传递,绝对不要在网上发布任何可能泄露它的东西。

Share it in person or through encrypted channels only, and don't ever post anything online that could give it away.

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我本人还会再进一步。

I mean, I go an extra step further.

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我们甚至不在手机旁边说那个暗号。

We don't even say our word near our phones.

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这是我个人的一点小建议。

Just some friendly advice from me.

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你的手机应用其实一直在监听。

Your apps are listening.

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如果这种事情真的发生在你身上,不管最后结果如何,都要尽快报警。

Now if this happens to you, report it as soon as possible no matter how it ends.

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即使你一分钱都没转,哪怕几秒钟就识破了骗局,这些信息依然重要。

Even if you never sent a dollar, even if you figured it out within seconds, that information matters.

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如果涉及金钱交易,请立即联系你当地的FBI分局,或拨打1-800-CALL-FBI。

If money changes hands, contact your local FBI field office or call one-eight hundred CALL FBI.

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即使没有造成经济损失,你也应该去ic3.gov提交报告。

If there was no financial loss, you should still file a report at icnumber3.gov.

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当地警方对这类电话的反应往往参差不齐。

Local police response to these calls can be inconsistent.

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詹妮弗就亲身经历过这种情况。

Jennifer found that out firsthand.

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但IC3能确保这些信息准确送达相关部门。

But IC3 makes sure the data gets to the right people.

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不管怎样,把你掌握的所有信息都一并提交:电话号码、录音、截图、付款记录。

Either way, include everything you have, phone numbers, audio, screenshots, payment details.

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调查人员无法追踪他们根本不知道的威胁,每一份报告,无论有没有损失,都能帮他们发现模式、提醒公众,并逐步瓦解背后的犯罪网络。

Investigators can't track a threat that they don't know exists, and every report, loss or no loss, helps them spot patterns, warn the public, and start disrupting the networks behind this.

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你也应该把这个节目分享给你的家人,尤其是那些可能更容易接到这种电话的人。

You should also share this episode with your loved ones, especially anyone who might be more vulnerable to a call like this.

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你们得好好聊聊,因为说实话,你们家人最有力的防护,就是现在趁电话还没响、恐惧还没蔓延、对方还没把那个你信任的声音变成武器之前,提前做好准备。

And you guys talk about it because, honestly, one of the strongest defenses your family has is the conversation you have now before the phone rings, before the terror takes over, and before someone on the other end turns a voice that you trust into a weapon.

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这个节目的所有参考资料,你都可以在我们的网站 crimejunkie.com 上找到。

You can find all the source material for this episode on our website, crimejunkie.com.

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别忘了在 Instagram 上关注我们,账号是 crime junkie podcast,下周一我们会带来一整集新内容。

Don't forget to follow us on Instagram at crime junkie podcast, and we'll be back Monday with a full length episode.

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Crime Junkie 是 AudioChuck 制作的节目。

Crime Junkie is an audiochuck production.

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我觉得 Chuck 会赞成的。

I think Chuck would approve.

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