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大家最近怎么样？

What's up, y'all?

我是斯凯勒·迪金斯，七届WNBA全明星、奥运金牌得主，也是一位妈妈。

I'm Skyler Diggins, seven time WNBA all star, Olympic gold medalist, and mom.

我是卡西迪·哈伯德，从事体育报道和主持工作将近二十年，采访过众多体育界的大人物和重大事件。

And I'm Cassidy Hubbard, host and reporter for nearly twenty years covering the biggest names and stories in sports

也是一位妈妈。

and mom.

这是《也是一位妈妈》，一个为运动员、变革者和各类妈妈打造的社群，5月14日上线。

And this is and mom, a community for athletes, game changers, and moms of all kinds, dropping May 14.

欢迎加入我们。

Tap in with us.

面对灾难，需要做好哪些准备？

What does it take to be prepared for disaster?

你必须有信心。

You have to be confident.

你得保持冷静。

You have to be calm.

你能做到完美吗？

Will you be perfect?

不能。

No.

但关键是你要有准备，这样遇到突发情况也不会手足无措。

But the idea is that you'll have your bearings, and this won't be something new to you.

本周《给你讲明白》：如何提前做好准备，避免临时抱佛脚。

This week on Explain It To Me, how to stay ready so you don't have to get ready.

新节目每周日上线，各大播客平台均可收听。

New episode Sundays wherever you get your podcasts.

说说你决定在2025年1月18日去登山的经过吧。

Tell me about the decision to go mountain climbing on 01/18/2025.

这个主意是谁提出来的？

Who whose idea was that?

这得看问谁了。

That depends on who you ask.

他们爬山的经验有多丰富？

How experienced were they at mountaineering and climbing?

这也要看问谁了。

That also depends on who you ask.

2024年底，托马斯·普兰贝格尔和凯尔丝汀·古尔特纳已经交往了将近一年。

In late two thousand twenty four, Thomas Plamberger and Kerstin Gurtner had been dating for almost a year.

托马斯36岁，是奥地利萨尔茨堡的一名专业厨师。

Thomas was 36 years old and a professional chef in Salzburg, Austria.

凯尔丝汀·古尔特纳33岁，在同一座城市的一家办公室工作。

Kerstin Gurtner was 33 and worked at an office in the same city.

他们是在Tinder上认识的，之后开始讨论搬去一起住。

They'd met on Tinder and had started to talk about moving in.

今年一月，他们计划一起去旅行。

In January, they were gonna go on a trip together.

托马斯和凯尔丝汀计划攀登格罗斯格洛克纳峰，那是奥地利阿尔卑斯山最高的山峰。

Thomas and and Kerstin were planning on summoning Groskloeckner, which is the largest mountain in the Austrian Alps.

《纽约时报》记者乔纳森·沃尔夫。

New York Times reporter Jonathan Wolfe.

他们决定走最危险的路线，那条路有一段特别陡峭、布满岩石的攀爬路段直通山顶。

And they decided to take the most dangerous route, which includes sort of, like, this really sort of rocky arched climb to the summit.

一家登山公司提醒人们，走这条路线必须身体状态极佳，并且有攀岩经验。

A climbing tour company warns people that to take this route, you need to be in very good physical shape and have some rock climbing experience.

一位有经验的登山者告诉BBC记者，在恶劣天气下，试图登顶格罗斯格洛克纳峰简直就像在拼命求生。

An experienced mountaineer told a BBC reporter that in bad conditions, trying to summit Grasglachner can feel like fighting to survive.

格罗斯格洛克纳峰的海拔超过三千七百米。

Grosglockner's Peak is over 12,000 feet above sea level.

每年有七千多人尝试登顶。

More than 7,000 people climb it every year.

2025年1月18日早上6点45分，凯尔丝汀和托马斯开始了他们对格罗斯格洛克纳峰的攀登。

On 01/18/2025, Kerstin and Thomas began their climb of Grossglockner at 06:45AM.

他们背着装有绳索、应急毯、帐篷和头灯的背包。

They had backpacks with ropes, emergency blankets, a tent, and headlamps.

凯尔斯坦带了一块分体式滑雪板。

Kerstin had brought a split snowboard.

她打算登顶后用它滑下山。

She planned to use it to descend the mountain after they reached the summit.

他们原计划是过夜徒步，所以这一天会特别漫长。

They were planning on it being an overnight hike, so it was, you know, gonna be a very long day.

有些登山向导会把行程分成两天：第一天走到山脊起点，第二天再登顶。

Some mountain guides break the trip up into two days, a day to reach the beginning of the ridge, and then a second day to get to the peak.

下午一点半左右，托马斯和凯尔斯坦到达了一个叫‘早餐点’的休息处，海拔约11600英尺。

Around 01:30PM, Thomas and Kerstin arrived at a resting point known as the Breakfast Spot, about 11,600 feet above sea level.

这地方就像是登顶前的不归点。

And this was kind of like a point of no return before the summit.

很多时候，如果没在特定时间前赶到，人们就得原路返回。

Like, a lot of times, people, if they don't get there at a certain time, they might end up turning back.

但这时候确实是个停下来歇口气、看看自己要不要继续的关键时刻。

But it's definitely a moment where you sort of rest for a moment and check-in and see if you're gonna continue.

我问过的登山向导都说，不管客人愿不愿意，他们通常都会强制要求在这里休息。

And and Mountaineers I spoke to said, you know, that's definitely a point where a lot of times they make their clients rest, whether or not they want to.

托马斯·普兰贝格尔说，当时他和克尔斯汀并不觉得累，所以就继续往上走了。

Thomas Plamberger said at this point, he and Kerstin didn't feel tired, so they kept going.

好像有几位登山者在山上见过他们，其中一位说，他曾和他们一起走了一小段路。

It seems like there were some hikers who saw them on the mountain, including one hiker who said that he hiked with them for a little while, a little stretch.

他说托马斯一直在照看克尔斯汀，时不时关心她的情况。

And he said that Thomas was, you know, sort of looking after Kerstin, checking in on her.

人们是怎么说克尔斯汀当时的状态的？

How did people say that Kerstin was doing at that point?

他们说她看起来状态不错。

They said that she looked like she was doing fine.

她没有吃力的迹象，看起来就跟平常的徒步一样。

She wasn't struggling and seemed like a pretty normal hike to them.

天黑后，大约下午五点，托马斯和克丝汀还在继续攀登。

At nightfall, at around 5PM in winter, Thomas and Kerstin were still climbing.

大约一个半小时后，他们的头灯在直播山顶景象的网络摄像头里出现了。

About an hour and a half later, their headlamps were visible on a webcam that livestreams a view of the top of the mountain.

我们可以看到他们的灯光缓缓向上移动，那是山上唯一亮着的光。

We can see their light sort of slowly making its way up the mountain, and it's the only light that's on the mountain.

也许还有其他人没开灯，但看起来他们似乎是山上仅有的两个人。

So, you know, it's possible there's other people not using lights, but it seems like they were the only two people on the mountain.

他们的计划是在黑暗中登顶。

Their plan was to climb to the summit in the dark.

我接触过的登山者说，这其实并不罕见。

Mountaineers that I've spoken to said that that's actually not out of the ordinary.

当然，风险要大得多。

Like, it's definitely riskier.

你得有相应的水平，但确实有人会选择夜间登山。

You need to be of a certain level, but people do climb this mountain at night.

他们好像走得特别慢，被困在山上，天气也突然恶化了。

And seems like they were just a little bit more slow going, and they were sort of stuck on the mountain, and the weather turned quite bad.

当地人都管这种天气现象叫‘菲比风’，能给阿尔卑斯山峰带来极其猛烈、刺骨的狂风。

There was a weather pattern that the locals called the Phoebe Winds, which can really bring, like, really intense, cold, blustery winds to the peaks of the Alps.

我接触过的登山者都说，他们那天其实知道这种风正在刮。

And from mountaineers that I spoke to, they were actually aware that this was happening on this day.

所以他们决定干脆不登顶了。

So they said that they basically chose not to summit the mountain.

晚上八点左右，他们停了下来，休息了一个半小时。

At around 8PM, they stopped for an hour and a half.

他们的登山绳卡住了，然后克尔斯汀伤了手。

Their climbing rope had gotten stuck, and then Kerstin hurt her hand.

晚上十点半，一架阿尔卑斯山救援直升机前去查看托马斯和克尔斯汀的情况。

At 10:30PM, an Alpine police helicopter went to check on Thomas and Kerstin.

直升机从他们头顶飞过了六次。

The helicopter passed them about six times.

他们没有发出求救信号，直升机就离开了。

When they did not signal for help, the helicopter left.

差不多这个时候，阿尔卑斯山警方也试着给托马斯打电话。

Around this time, Alpine police also tried to call Thomas.

他的电话号码登记在登山许可上，但他一直没接。

His phone number was listed on his climbing permit, but he never answered the phone.

后来，托马斯·普兰贝格尔说，他根本没注意到手机在响，因为手机调成了震动模式。

Later, Thomas Plamberger said he had not realized his phone was ringing because it had been set to vibrate.

但托马斯说，直升机刚走不久，克尔斯汀突然表现出越来越明显的疲惫迹象。

But Thomas says that soon after the helicopter left, Kerstin, quote, suddenly showed increasing signs of exhaustion.

午夜过后大约半小时，托马斯拨打了报警电话。

About a half hour past midnight, Thomas called the police.

关于这次通话的具体情况，现在还有不少争议。

And there's real debate about what happened during this phone call.

托马斯坚称，他确信警方已经意识到需要立即救援，他也明确要求派直升机。

Thomas says that he was convinced that police were aware that a rescue was needed and that he wanted them to send a helicopter.

但警方表示，当时托马斯告诉他们一切正常，所以没有启动救援程序。

The police, on the other hand, said that Thomas, in this moment, told him that everything was fine, and so they did not start a rescue procedure.

之后三个小时，再也没有人收到他的消息。

And then for three hours, no one heard from him.

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I'm Phoebe Judge.

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阿尔卑斯警方尝试通过电话和WhatsApp短信再次联系托马斯·普兰贝格尔。

Alpine police attempted to get back in touch with Thomas Plamberger by phone and then by texting him on WhatsApp.

一名警员发消息问：你现在需要帮助吗？

One officer wrote, do you need help now or not?

但他们没有收到任何回复。

But they didn't get a response.

在WhatsApp里，消息显示已送达，有两个勾。

In his WhatsApp, it it appears it has, like, the two check marks or whenever it was delivered.

我们不知道他有没有读，但消息是已送达的。

We don't know if it was read, but it was delivered.

之前跟警察通话时，托马斯说，警察告诉他最好继续往前走。

When he had spoken to the police earlier, Thomas says they told him the best thing was for them to keep moving.

因为在极寒环境中一旦停下，情况可能会更糟。

Because if you stop in a very cold environment, there's a chance that it'll be worse for you.

你会开始耗尽体力。

Basically, you'll start to lose energy.

身体的热量也会逐渐流失。

You'll start to lose warmth in your body.

所以他以为自己必须继续前进，于是打完电话后，他就告诉凯尔丝汀，得继续走。

So he was in the impression that he needed to keep moving, and so that's what he told Kerstin after that phone call that they needed to keep moving.

那天晚上，气温降到零下八摄氏度，加上风寒效应，感觉更冷了。

That night, the temperature dropped to 17 degrees Fahrenheit, but felt even colder with the wind chill.

那时候风肯定特别大，因为快到克罗森格洛克峰顶时，那里完全无遮无挡。

The wind would have been very strong at this point because when you get towards the peak of Cross Glockner, it's really exposed.

所以，你在爬山过程中，原本被其他地方挡住的风，到这里就完全挡不住了。

So a lot of the winds that might have been blocked off in other areas as you're climbing the mountain, that's no longer the case.

你完全暴露在风里，那时候的温度肯定低得吓人。

So you're just completely exposed, and it would have been very cold at that moment.

他们一直走到离山顶不远的地方，然后停了下来，休息了一个半小时。

They made it to just below the summit, where they stopped for about an hour and a half.

托马斯说，那时候基尔stin已经累得一点力气都没有了。

Thomas says that at that point, Kerstin was too exhausted to move anymore.

他说凌晨两点左右，他和基尔stin商量好，他一个人先下山，去附近的避难小屋求救。

He said at around 2AM, he and Kerstin agreed that he should try to get down the mountain by himself to try and get help at one of the refuge huts.

凌晨三点三十分，托马斯再次报警，告诉警方他正在下山，把基尔stin留在了原地。

At around 03:30AM, Thomas Plamberger called the police again and told them that he was on his way down and that he had left Kerstin behind.

他请求警方派直升机去救她。

He asked if they could send a helicopter for her.

但那一整晚，风势一直在不断增强。

But the wind had been picking up speed all night.

到那时，风速已经飙到每小时72公里，警方告诉他，直升机根本没法起飞。

By then, it was blowing up to 45 miles per hour, and they told him it was too dangerous for a helicopter to fly.

托马斯向警方说明了他把凯尔丝汀留在的具体位置。

Thomas told police where he had left Kerstin.

第二天，救援队就上了山。

The next day, a rescue crew headed up the mountain.

上午十点左右，他们找到了凯尔丝汀。

Around 10AM, they found Kerstin.

她因低温症已经去世了。

She was dead from hypothermia.

九天后，凯尔丝汀的家人为她举行了葬礼。

Kerstin's family held her funeral nine days later.

讣告上写着：我们的生命掌握在上帝手中。

The notice read, our lives are in God's hands.

如果这是他的旨意，请不要为我悲伤，而是带着爱记住我。

If it is his will, then do not grieve for me, but remember me with love.

克尔斯汀的母亲后来说，她偏偏在最感受到生命活力的地方失去了生命，这让我简直无法理解。

Kerstin's mother later said that she had to lose her life precisely where she felt so alive is almost incomprehensible to me.

托马斯在Instagram上写道：‘痛得简直无法承受。’

Thomas wrote on Instagram, it hurts so incredibly much.

差不多一年后，奥地利检方以严重过失致人死亡罪对托马斯·普兰贝格尔提起指控。

And then almost a year later, Austrian prosecutors filed charges against Thomas Plamberger for grossly negligent homicide.

检方表示，托马斯是更有经验的登山者，本应承担起保障克尔斯汀安全的责任。

Prosecutors said that Thomas was the more experienced climber and should have been a guarantor of Kerstin's life.

这就叫责任监护人。

It's called.

维里娜·莫尔舒茨是奥地利因斯布鲁克大学的刑法学教授。

Verina Morschutz is a professor of criminal law at the University of Innsbruck in Austria.

责任监护人，就是对他人负有保护义务的人。

A guarantor is somebody that is responsible for another person.

这个概念通常用在因不作为而构成犯罪的案件中。

And where you mostly need this term is when you have a crime committed by omission.

比如说，如果你主动实施犯罪，比如动手打人，那很明显你就是打人的责任人。

Like it's easy to say, If I commit a crime by action, like I do something, I hit somebody, then it's clear I am the one responsible for hitting somebody.

但如果犯罪是由于不作为，那就是没有尽到应有的注意义务。

But if a crime is an omission, it's failing to act with due diligence.

在奥地利，这类指控通常用在交通事故，或者父母没有给孩子提供适当照顾的情况。

In Austria, this charge is typically used in things like a car accident or, you know, maybe a parent who is not giving the correct care to their child.

在登山的语境下，如果有人聘请了向导，而向导有责任照顾你、保护你，这种情况也可能适用。

Or in the mountaineering context, it can be used in certain situations where you hire a person, like a guide, that is responsible for you to take care of you and to to look after you.

但即使没有合同、不收报酬、完全是出于好意，作为领队你依然可能成为担保人。

But you can also be a guarantor as a leader out of courtesy, where we don't have a contract, you don't get paid for it, it's non commercial, but it's just out of courtesy.

在这种情况下，你就成了担保人，对被你照顾的人可能遭遇的负面后果也要承担责任。

And as such, you're a guarantor and also responsible for outcomes or, let's say, negative things happening to the individual that you're responsible for.

这件事在奥地利影响有多大？

How big of a deal was it in Austria?

大家都在讨论吗？

Was everyone talking about it?

是的。

Yes.

很多人都在讨论这件事。

A lot of people were talking about it.

就拿我所在的地方来说，我们这里有大量山脉，经常有人进行阿尔卑斯山徒步活动。

I mean, where I am, we have all these mountains where we have a lot of Alpine tours.

很多人会请向导，带着滑雪板一起上山。

A lot of people come and pay guides to walk up the mountains basically with the skis.

也有很多人结伴同行，比如朋友一起上山探险。

And there's a lot of people that do tours together, like friends that go up the mountains together.

所以我觉得正因如此，大家才会谈论这个案子，说：‘天啊，你看这个案子。’

So I think for that reason, people talked about the case and said, Wow, look at this case.

这种事情真的发生了。

This is happening.

接下来会怎样呢？

What's going to come out?

我觉得我们以前还真没遇到过这样的刑事案件。

I think we actually haven't had a criminal case like this before.

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You can connect with customers through an easy to run marketing campaign built through Shopify.

如果你只是需要一些建议，他们提供获奖的24小时全天候客户服务。

And if you just need some advice, they offer award winning 247 customer support.

现在是时候把那些‘如果’变成现实，用Shopify开启你的成功事业了。

It's time to turn those what ifs into a thriving business with Shopify today.

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Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com/criminal.

访问shopify.com/criminal。

Go to shopify.com/criminal.

网址是shopify.com/criminal。

That's shopify.com/criminal.

过去二十年里，有二十九人死在格罗斯格洛克纳山上。

Over the past two decades, twenty nine people have died on Grossglockner.

但托马斯·普兰贝格尔的案例，是奥地利政府首次就一起登山死亡事件提起刑事指控。

But Thomas Plamberger's case was the first time the Austrian government had filed criminal charges for a death.

奥地利检方表示，托马斯·普兰贝格尔犯了九个错误，直接导致了凯尔丝汀·古尔特纳的死亡。

Austrian prosecutors said that Thomas Plamberger had made nine mistakes that led to Kerstin Gurtner's death.

他们列出的第一个错误是，克尔斯汀在冬季高海拔地区登山的经验远不如托马斯。

The first error they listed was that Kerstin had less experience than Thomas at mountain climbing at that high of an altitude in the winter.

如果我带着一位年轻女性去攀登一万两千五百英尺的高山，我会确保我们两人都装备齐全、经验丰富。

If I was in that position of taking a a young woman up to do 12 and a half thousand foot, I would make sure that both of us were properly equipped, properly experienced.

约翰·利奇是一位生存心理学家。

John Leach is a survival psychologist.

他多年从事登山和高山救援工作。

He was a mountaineer and emergency mountain rescuer for years.

她要去的是一个以前从未在冬季夜间登过的高度。

She was going to a, a height level she'd never been to before in winter at night.

托马斯之前已经多次登过那个高度，也走过那种地形。

Now Thomas, he'd been up at that altitude before and he'd been on that sort of roofs before.

所以，他从一开始就应该介入，确保她装备妥当、准备充分。

So, really, he should have stepped in right at the beginning and made sure that she was properly equipped, properly kitted out.

如果他们真打算在冬季夜间去那么高的地方，我一定会坚持让她先在白天去熟悉地形，提前很久就开始适应那片区域的环境和条件，循序渐进地积累经验。

And if they were gonna go and do that at that altitude in winter at night, then I would have basically insisted that she does it in daytime beforehand, you know, quite some time beforehand, and build up experience for that in on that terrain, in that area, under those conditions, and then build it up gradually.

等你熟悉了路线，知道山顶在哪，能搞定这些之后，再挑冬天的夜晚去挑战最难的那段。

Once you know and you got a feel for the route, you know where the top is, you can do all that, then you go for the big one and do it in winter at night.

在她出发之前，就已经出了好几处问题。

So there's a number of failures here before she's even set off.

一位在格罗斯格洛克纳山的向导告诉记者乔纳森·沃尔夫，现在想登顶险峻山峰的游客比以前多得多，可他们既不适应高海拔，天气不好也硬往上冲。

A mountain guide on Grossglockner told reporter Jonathan Wolfe that he's seen more clients than he used to trying to summit challenging mountains without getting used to the altitude or continuing even when the weather is bad.

检方还指出，托马斯和克尔斯汀出发晚了整整两个小时。

The prosecution also said that Thomas and Kerstin left two hours too late.

托马斯根本没考虑到冬天白天有多短，天黑得有多早。

Thomas had not considered how short the day would be in winter and how early night would come.

检方说，托马斯还该注意到克尔斯汀没穿登山靴。

Prosecutors said Thomas also should have noticed that Kerstin wasn't wearing hiking boots.

她穿的居然是软底的单板滑雪靴。

Instead, she was wearing soft snowboarding boots.

其他失误还包括：天气恶化时托马斯没选择撤退，天黑前没发出求救信号，以及他报警后就再也联系不上了。

Other errors include Thomas not turning back when the weather got worse, Thomas not signaling for help before it got dark, and Thomas being unreachable after he had called police.

最后，他们指出，托马斯把凯尔stin留在山顶时，既没有把她移到避风的地方，也没用任何应急装备给她保暖。

Finally, they said that when Thomas left Kerstin at the summit, he had not moved Kerstin to an area protected from the wind or used any of their emergency equipment to keep her warm.

他们带了小帐篷和应急毯子，遇到危险时可以用上，但他们说，她根本没进帐篷。

They had a small tent and emergency blankets that you can use if you get into trouble, and they said that, you know, she wasn't in the tent.

那些毯子也完全没有用过。

The blankets weren't used.

在山地救援中，我遇到过不止一个人，他们背着满满的生存装备，却压根不会用。

And there'd be more than one person I've been involved in in with the mountain rescue, where we've recovered somebody who's got you know, he's got he's got a backpack full of survival kit, but he's not used to any of it.

他们就说：‘这不就是生存装备嘛。’

And they they just say, well, it's a survival kit.

把东西塞进包里就出发了。

I'll stick it in my bag, and they go off.

可从来没用过。

But they've never used it.

有时候，连包都没打开过。

Never even opened it at times.

约翰·利奇说，他从未丢下任何人独自去求援。

John Leach says he's never left someone behind to get help.

他说，这属于一种不成文的准则。

He says it's part of an unspoken code.

国际登山和攀岩联合会表示，登山者应做好妥协的准备，以平衡团队中每个人的需要和能力。

The International Climbing and Mountaineering Federation says that climbers should be prepared to make compromises in order to balance the needs and abilities of all the group.

紧急调度人员通常会建议登山者不要离开同伴，而是留在原地等待帮助。

Emergency dispatch operators often advise climbers to stay with their companions instead of leaving for help.

但关于在紧急情况下该怎么做，目前并没有针对登山者的官方规定。

But there aren't any official rules for mountaineers about what to do in emergencies.

我接触过的登山者都说，绝不可能把人单独留在山上。

And, you know, mountaineers that I spoke to said it's just never an option to leave someone by themselves on the mountain.

同时，我聊过的救援人员本身也是登山者，他们说，很难设身处地去理解那种在严寒中遭遇紧急情况的人——压力大、天又黑，那种状态下根本没法冷静思考。

And then at the same time, like, was rescue workers that I've spoken to are also mountaineers, and they were saying it was hard to put yourself in the mindset of a person who's undergoing an emergency in cold weather, where you're under stress, and it's dark.

他们不太愿意对这种行为做评判，说我们事后当然可以分析、下结论，但当时那种情况下，真的很难判断什么才是最好的选择。

And they were just sort of unwilling to pass judgment on that, saying that, you know, we can look back at things and make judgments, but in that moment, it can be really difficult to understand what the best course of action is.

约翰·利奇说，在高海拔地区，人们做决定会更困难。

John Leach says at high altitudes, people have a harder time making decisions.

在九千到一万英尺的高度，人的认知功能可能会受影响，尤其是决策和逻辑推理能力。

You can get cognitive impairment occurring around about nine, ten thousand feet, particularly in the skills of decision making and logical reasoning.

如果情况不妙，你的专注力也会跟着下降。

If things are not going well, then your ability to focus gets diminished as well.

你会发现自己容易分心，没法集中精神。

So you find yourself being distracted, and you're not concentrating.

这时候错误就容易发生，人会变得笨手笨脚，注意力从关键事情上溜走，事后虽然被成功救出，但自己都搞不懂当时怎么了。

And that's when mistakes happen, and people start to get clumsy, and they're they're switching off from the major things, which afterwards, you know, they're rescued successfully.

事后回想起来，我听过太多幸存者这么说。

They look back, and I've heard so many people say this, so many survivors.

他们都会问自己：我那时候怎么就做了那种事？

They say, you you know, why did I do that?

在压力下，你能想多远的能力会大打折扣，整个人越来越被困在当下。

How far you can think ahead is severely diminished under pressure, and you get tied in more and more to the present moment.

因为如果你看不到未来，就不会为那个未来做出反应。

Because if you can't see a future, then you're not gonna respond to that future.

但群体恐慌其实非常罕见。

But troop panic is very, very rare.

如果真发生了，通常都是在封闭空间里。

And, usually, if it does occur, it tends to occur in enclosed spaces.

最常见的诱因是，你身处一个明显危及生命的地方，知道还有逃生的可能，但也清楚这个机会正在迅速消失。

The most common trigger is if you're in a place, you know that your life is under threat, you know there's a chance of escape, but you also appreciate that that chance of escape is diminishing.

比如，一艘远洋客轮正在下沉，你很少会在甲板上看到真正的恐慌。

So for example, if you're in an ocean liner that's sinking, you very rarely get, panic outside, true panic.

你看到的更多是混乱和茫然，人们到处乱跑，手忙脚乱，就像一群注射了兴奋剂的企鹅——扑腾得欢，却飞不起来。

What you do get is confusion and bewilderment and people running around flapping, you know, like a bunch of penguins on steroids, all flap and no flight.

托马斯·普兰伯格的庭审定于2月26日在因斯布鲁克的法院举行。

Thomas Plamberger's trial was scheduled for February 26 at a courthouse in Innsbruck.

不会有陪审团。

There would be no jury.

判决将由一位名叫诺伯特·霍弗的法官作出，他同时还兼职做高山救援工作。

The verdict would be decided by a judge named Norbert Hoefer, who also worked part time as an emergency mountain rescuer.

他有这方面的专长，所以所有登山相关的案件都归他处理。

He has a special competence, so all the mountain cases go to this judge.

薇蕾娜·莫尔施茨。

Verena Morschutz.

我们有些法官专门负责特定类型的案件，比如腐败案之类的。

Like, we have judges that are assigned specific cases, like, let's say, corruption cases, whatnot.

他被指派处理所有高山案件，是因为他懂行，了解登山者面临的种种困难。

And he's assigned all these alpine cases because of his knowledge, because of him understanding the difficulties that one faces.

薇蕾娜说，检方必须向法官证明，托马斯是更有经验的登山者，当时是由他主导的。

Varina says that prosecutors would need to prove to the judge that Thomas was the more experienced climber and had been the one in charge.

法官试图查明被告是否真的更有经验。

The judge tried to find out if the defendant was, in reality, more experienced.

所以他详细询问了她和他各自使用的登山技术。

So he talked about what are the climbing techniques that she used, what are the climbing techniques that he uses.

他和他进行了专业层面的交流，想弄清楚他对高山攀爬技术到底了解多少。

He went into professional discussions with him to figure out what did he know about alpine climbing techniques.

但托马斯作证说，他完全没有接受过高山攀岩的训练。

But Thomas testified that he had no alpine training whatsoever.

他说自己不是专业登山者。

He said he wasn't a professional mountaineer.

他完全是靠自己摸索，通过试错，再看网上的视频学会的。

He had taught himself through trial and error and watching videos online.

不过他之前确实爬过格拉茨格洛克纳峰。

But he had climbed Gras Glockner before.

他作证说，他和克尔斯汀是一起计划这次登山的，克尔斯汀特别喜欢登山，身体素质也非常好。

He testified that he and Kerstin had planned this trip together, that Kerstin loved mountain climbing and was physically very fit.

他们以前也一起在阿尔卑斯山其他地方爬过。

They had climbed in other parts of the Alps together.

但在规划行程时，克尔斯汀曾给托马斯发邮件说，我对于冬季登山完全没经验。

But while they were planning their trip, Kerstin wrote in an email to Thomas, I completely lack experience when it comes to winter tours.

检方传唤了一名警察作证。

The prosecution called a police officer to testify.

这名警察说，托马斯告诉他，自己是这次旅行的主要策划者。

The officer said that Thomas had told him that he had been the main planner for this trip.

另一位警察作证说，他在午夜刚过时接到了托马斯的电话。

Another officer testified about taking Thomas' call just after midnight.

他说，那时候其实完全可以启动救援，但当时并不清楚他们是否真的需要帮助。

He said that at that point, it wouldn't have been difficult to start a rescue operation, but it wasn't clear that they needed one.

他还说，那通电话绝对不算紧急求助。

He said that, quote, that was definitely not an emergency call.

托马斯和警察说完话后，就把手机调成了静音。

Thomas had put his phone on silent after speaking with the police.

当被问到为什么把手机调成静音时，托马斯说，他只是想省电，因为没带充电宝。

When Thomas was asked why he'd put his phone on silent, he said he was trying to save the battery because he hadn't brought a power bank.

托马斯说，天气突然变化，他们完全没有预料到。

Thomas said the change in the weather had taken them by surprise.

他说，在山下时根本没风，但越往上走，风就越大。

He said that lower down on the mountain, the wind had been nonexistent, but had gotten stronger the higher they went.

托马斯还谈到了他和凯尔丝汀最后一次交谈的情况。

Thomas also spoke about his last conversation with Kerstin.

他说，由于天气原因，他们在登山途中有时很难听清对方说话。

So he said that during their tour, because of the weather, it was sometimes hard to understand each other at certain moments.

但他表示，离开她的时候，她状态还算不错，神志很清醒。

But he said that when he left her, that she was in relatively good condition, and she was clear.

她有回应。

She was responsive.

她很疲惫，但神志清醒。

She was exhausted, but she was clear.

她让他走，说这是两人共同的决定。

And she told him to go, and that it was a mutual decision.

托马斯说，他离开前把凯尔丝汀绑在了一块岩石上。

Thomas said he tied Kerstin to a rock before he left.

他说自己也说不清为什么没有给她更好的庇护。

He said he didn't have an explanation for why he had not sheltered her more.

他作证说，她最后对他说的是：你独自走吧，保全自己的命。

He testified that the last thing she said to him was, go on your own and save your own life.

马上回来。

We'll be right back.

《Criminal》由Bombas赞助。

Support for Criminal comes from Bombas.

如果你的袜子该换新的了，Bombas有一系列设计精良的袜子，比如他们的运动袜，采用加厚吸汗材质，运动时也不会往下滑。

If your sock drawer could use an upgrade, Bombas has a range of well designed socks, like their sports socks, which are made with a cushioned sweat wicking design that also stops them from sliding down your foot while you're in motion.

Bombas的产品不止袜子。

And Bombas has more than socks.

他们还做柔软透气的基础款，包括内衣和T恤。

They also make soft and breathable basics, including underwear and T shirts.

这个春天，我期待穿着新买的Bombas跑步袜，跑更远的路。

This spring, I look forward to going on longer runs, wearing my new Bombas run socks.

它们柔软轻盈，采用网眼编织面料，透气性好，脚后跟和脚趾部位还加了缓冲设计，能更好地保护双脚。

They're soft and lightweight, made with a mesh knit that makes them breathable, and they're designed with cushioning in the heel and toe to protect your feet.

Bombas 也有自己的使命。

Bombas also has a mission.

你每买一件商品，他们就会向面临住房困难的人捐赠一件衣物。

For every item you purchase, they say they donate an item of clothing to someone facing housing insecurity.

他们说，已经捐赠了一亿五千万件衣物，而且还在继续增加。

They say they've made over a 150,000,000 donations and counting.

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You can go to bombas.com/criminal and use code criminal for 20% off your first purchase.

就是 bombas.com/criminal，结账时记得用代码 criminal。

That's bombas.com/criminal, code criminal at checkout.

《Criminal》由 Grow Therapy 赞助。

Support for Criminal comes from Grow Therapy.

心理咨询是应对日常压力的好方法，但很多人不知道该从哪里开始，也不清楚怎么找到合适的咨询师。

Therapy can be a great way to find support in daily life, but it can be hard to know where to start and how to find a therapist you like.

Grow Therapy 让你轻松找到适合你的心理咨询师，价格实惠，时间也很灵活。

Grow Therapy makes it easy to find a therapist who fits you, and it's affordable and flexible.

Grow 能帮你连接全美成千上万位独立持证的心理咨询师。

Grow can connect you with thousands of independent, licensed therapists across The US.

他们提供线上和面对面两种咨询方式，晚上和周末也都可预约。

They offer both virtual and in person sessions, as well as nights and weekends.

你不用操心订阅或长期合约的问题。

You don't need to worry about subscriptions or long term commitments.

你只需要按次付费就行。

You just pay per session.

两天内就能开始咨询，而且提前二十四小时取消完全免费。

You can get started in just two days, and you can cancel up to twenty four hours in advance at no cost.

不管你现在面临什么困扰，Grow Therapy 都愿意陪你一起面对。

Whatever challenges you're facing, Grow Therapy is here to help.

Grow 接受一百多种保险计划。

Grow accepts over 100 insurance plans.

有保险的话，每次咨询平均大约21美元，有些计划甚至全免。

Sessions average about 21 with insurance, and some pay as little as zero, depending on their plan.

现在就访问 growtherapy.com/criminal 开始预约。

Visit growtherapy.com/criminal today to get started.

网址是 growtherapy.com/criminal。

That's growtherapy.com/criminal.

growtherapy.com/criminal。

Growtherapy.com/criminal.

服务可用性和保险覆盖情况因州和保险计划而异。

Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan.

在托马斯·普兰伯格的庭审中，检方展示了救援人员发现凯尔丝汀·古特纳时的照片。

At Thomas Plamberger's trial, the prosecution presented photos of how Kerstin Gurtner had been found by rescuers.

托马斯说他把她留在了山顶附近，但迹象表明她是从高处跌落的。

Thomas had said he had left her near the summit, but it appeared that she had fallen.

她离山顶大约150英尺，当时被发现悬挂在岩壁上，双脚悬空。

She was about a 150 feet from the summit, and she was, quote, hanging from a rock face, her feet dangling.

一名医生作证说，克尔斯廷死于低体温症。

A doctor testified that Kerstin had died from hypothermia.

他还发现，她去世时还患有肺炎。

He had also found that she had pneumonia at the time of her death.

但不清楚肺炎是否加剧了她的体力衰竭。

But it was not clear if that had contributed to her exhaustion.

检方还出示了克尔斯廷和托马斯在山上佩戴的智能手表数据。

The prosecution also presented data from Kerstin and Thomas' smartwatches that they've been wearing on the mountain.

数据显示，在救援直升机前往查看之前，两人的身体状况明显恶化。

They said it showed a clear decline before the police helicopter went to check on them.

克尔斯廷·古特纳的母亲格特鲁德也在庭审中发言。

Kerstin Gurtner's mother, Gertrude, also spoke at the trial.

她说，她并不怪罪托马斯导致克尔斯廷的死亡。

She said she didn't blame Thomas for Kerstin's death.

她对德国一家报纸表示，她很生气人们把克尔斯廷描绘成一个愚蠢的小女孩。

She told a German newspaper that she was angry that Kerstin is being portrayed as a stupid little thing.

她母亲说，克尔斯廷热爱户外活动，自己和托马斯一起爬过很多次山，经验很丰富。

Her mother said that Kerstin loved the outdoors and that she had plenty of climbing experience on her own and with Thomas.

她特别希望人们不要把克尔斯廷看成一个没有主见、软弱的人。

And she was very intent on making sure that Kerstin wasn't seen as a weak individual who had no agency in this.

她极力为女儿辩护，强调她的坚强，看起来根本不希望别人觉得她女儿是个弱者。

And she really defended her daughter in terms of her strength, and she seemed like she didn't want her to come off as a weak person.

古特鲁德对记者说，很多指责克尔斯廷男友的人，自己根本没经历过这种状况。

Gurttroud told a reporter, many people who blame Kerstin's boyfriend have never been in such a situation.

我希望他们永远别遇到这种极端情况，因为没人知道自己到时候会怎么反应。

I hope they never find themselves in such an exceptional situation because nobody knows how they'll react then.

在自家沙发上当英雄，当然很容易。

It's easy to be a hero in the comfort of your own home.

当天快结束时，检方传唤了一位名叫安德烈亚·贝格纳的女士出庭作证。

Near the end of the day, the prosecution called a woman named Andrea Bergner to the stand.

她是托马斯的前女友，两人几年前曾经交往过。

An ex girlfriend of Thomas', and they had dated a few years, prior.

安德烈亚·伯格纳告诉法官，几年前托马斯也曾带她去过格拉茨格洛克纳山。

Andrea Bergner told the judge that Thomas had also taken her on a trip to Gras Glockner a few years earlier.

你听她描述的，她说他们是在夜里下山的。

You know, the way she described it, she said that they were descending the mountain at night.

她说，爬山的时候两人吵了一架，她想抄近道下山。

And then she said that, you know, during the climb, they had been arguing and that she wanted to take a shortcut down the mountain.

她说自己累得不行，头灯的电池也刚好没电了。

She said that she was exhausted, and her headlamp had just run out of battery.

然后她就看不见托马斯了。

And then she lost sight of Thomas.

就在那一刻，托马斯 apparently 离开了她。

And that's the moment that Thomas apparently left her.

她大喊起来。

She screamed.

她感觉头昏眼花。

She felt dizzy.

那一刻，她意识到自己真的一个人留在了山上。

And, you know, at that moment, she realized she was, like, completely alone.

之后她说，他们就再也没有一起爬过山。

Then she said from then on, they didn't go on any hikes together.

庭审持续了十四个小时。

The trial lasted fourteen hours.

到了晚上十一点左右，法官宣布了判决结果。

At the end of the day, at around 11PM, the judge issued his verdict.

他说托马斯有罪。

He said Thomas was guilty.

他说托马斯的登山经验远超凯尔丝汀，但他并不认为托马斯是凶手。

He said that he had, quote, galaxies more experienced than Kerstin, but that he did not see Thomas as a murderer.

法官说，你是个出色的登山者，但很难分清自己的极限和别人的极限。

The judge said, you are an excellent alpinist, but someone who finds it very difficult to make the switch between your own limits and those of others.

他承认托马斯在生活中失去过非常亲近的人，但同时也明确谴责了他在登山过程中的一些行为。

You know, he acknowledged that Thomas lost someone very close to him in his life, but then he also was pretty firm about condemning him for certain actions he took during the climb.

他说，凯尔丝汀完全把自己托付给了他，信任他能带她安全登顶并下山。

He said that, you know, Kerstin really put herself in his care and really trusted him to bring her to the summit and back down safely.

最后，他直言不讳地说，如果你当时做法不一样，他坚信凯尔丝汀现在还活着。

And in the end, he said very bluntly, you know, if you would have acted differently, he strongly assumed that Kerstin would still be alive.

你觉得这个判决会对登山规定产生影响吗？

Do you think this verdict will have an effect on mountaineering regulations?

我认为实际中会产生影响，因为人们会更清楚地意识到：当你和别人一起登山，或者加入团队时，如果其中有人技术更出色，责任就不同了。

I think in practice, it will have an effect insofar as I think people will be more conscious about if you go with another person or if you go into a group if you go as a group and do these activities and one of you is better than the others.

这个人会主动承担起规划行程的责任。

And one of you resumes the role of, yes, I'm planning the trip.

他会提前研究我们要走的路线。

I'm gonna check out the route we're going.

他会决定什么时候出发。

I'm gonna decide when we're gonna start.

在登山过程中，他会判断是继续前进还是中途放弃更合适。

And I'm gonna be the one that during the trip figures out how sensible is it to move on or how sensible is it to abort.

一起出游的朋友，可能根本没意识到自己会担上责任。

Friends that do a tour, I think they haven't been aware of the fact that they could be responsible.

我觉得现在情况会不一样了，因为大家明白了：如果我作为有经验的人，带一个没经验的朋友去登山，还说‘咱们上吧’，那我可能要负刑事责任。

And that, I think, will change now because people realize, if I, as expert on the mountain, take my friend that is no expert and ask him, let's go do this trip, that I can be criminal responsible.

托马斯·普兰贝格被判处五个月监禁，并处以9600欧元罚款，约合11000美元。

Thomas Plamberger was sentenced to five months in prison and a fine of €9,600, about $11,000.

他在法庭上对法官说，我对发生的事感到无比悔恨。

He told the judge, I am infinitely sorry for what happened.

他已经对判决提出了上诉。

He's filed an appeal of the verdict.

这位女士是我最近才开始交往的。

Here's this woman that I've been dating a brief time.

我邀请她一起来这次旅行。

I invite her on this trip.

原本计划是轻松享受的，可现在却陷入这种境地，不得不面对可怕的后果。

It's supposed to be luxurious and fun, and now we're in this situation, contemplating terrible things.