“激烈竞争”、“后座”与衣橱里的新戏剧

是的。

Yeah.

而且他们性生活非常默契。

And and they and they're perfectly sexually compatible.

所以是的。

So Yeah.

基普和斯科特也是这样。

So are Kipp and Scott.

这就像一个 recurring 的主题，我认为这是一个真实的幻想，而且是一个重要的幻想。

This is, like, a theme that comes I think it's it's a real fan it's that's a fantasy, and it's it's an important fantasy.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这部剧以性爱开场。

The show leads with the sex.

比如，十五分钟内，他们就发生了充满启示性的激情性爱。

Like, within fifteen minutes, they're having hot, like, revelatory sex.

我觉得很多人不喜欢前两集，他们更喜欢那种明显更复杂的情感叙事，但我特别喜欢前两集。

And I think I know a lot of people, like, don't like the first two episodes, and they like the more obviously complex emotional storytelling because I loved the first two episodes.

因为从一开始，那个幻想就存在了。

Because right away, you know, the fantasy is there.

这些家伙正在获得对他们来说非常重要的东西。

These guys are getting something that's very important to them.

他们在做爱，也在口交。

They're fucking and they're sucking.

没错，诺米。

That's correct, Nomi.

我觉得我们做到了。

I think we did it.

我觉得我们做到了。

I think we did.

我们马上休息一下，回来后继续讲衣柜里的长篇 drama。

We're gonna take a quick break, and when we're back, the long drama of the closet.

这是《纽约客》的《评论界》。

This is Critics at Large from The New Yorker.

2025年是电视、电影和音乐的丰收之年，我们将重点推荐年度最佳，包括K-pop恶魔猎手、罪人和《分离》。

2025 was a great year for TV, movies, and music, and we are highlighting the best of the best, including k pop demon hunters, sinners, and severance.

我们将讨论今年最喜爱的时刻，包括一些你可能错过的顶级流行文化内容。

We're talking about our favorite moments of the year, including some of the best pop culture you might have missed.

请在您收听播客的平台收听《流行文化欢乐时光》。

Listen to pop culture happy hour wherever you get your podcasts.

在我们继续之前，你们觉得我们的听众和艾米莉·勃朗特《呼啸山庄》粉丝的重叠程度有多大？

Before we get back to things, what do you guys think the overlap is between our listenership and fans of Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights?

我认为重叠部分很大，而且可能还有一些极端讨厌的人，但我反而很喜欢他们。

I think the overlap is significant, and probably there are also a few, like, virulent haters who I love.

对某些事物有强烈看法的人。

People with strong opinions about.

我觉得这种人很多。

I think it's a there's a lot.

对吧？

Right?

确实很多。

There's a lot.

是的。

Yeah.

所以所有《呼啸山庄》的爱好者们，快来现场观看《Critics at Large》吧。

And so for all you Wuthering Heights enthusiasts, come see Critics at Large live.

对。

Yeah.

我们将于2月19日在纽约市的92街Y剧院再次现场直播，畅聊《呼啸山庄》的方方面面。

We're going live again at the 92nd Street Y here in New York City on February 19 talking about all things Wuthering Heights.

有一部新电影即将上映。

There's a new movie coming out.

你可能已经看过它的预告片了。

You may have seen a preview for it already.

艾梅拉德·芬内尔执导的《呼啸山庄》，由玛格特·罗比、雅各布·艾洛蒂主演，配乐是极其响亮的Charlie XCX歌曲。

Emerald Fennell's Wuthering Heights starring Margot Robbie, Jacob Elordi, and a very, very loud Charlie XCX soundtrack.

是的。

Yep.

我们会讨论哥特式爱情故事、荒原和注定失败的恋情。

You know, we're gonna be talking about Gothic love stories, the Moors, doomed romances.

超自然的爱情。

Supernatural love.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Of course.

所有这些东西。

All of the stuff.

所有这些精彩的内容。

All of that good stuff.

我对此感到非常兴奋。

I'm so excited for this.

我希望你们所有人也一样。

I hope you all are too.

为任何购买VIP票的人，还将有一个令人激动的会后派对。

For anyone who buys a VIP ticket, there will also be thrillingly an after party.

你能相信能和你最喜欢的评论家见面吗？

Can you believe in a meet and greet with your favorite critics?

是真的。

It's true.

批判性分析将在饮酒时继续进行。

The critical analysis will continue over drinks.

如果你不在这个城市，好消息。

And if you're not here in the city, good news.

我们已经安排了这个活动，让你可以随时随地在线观看。

We have set this event up so that you can stream it from wherever you are.

前往 92ny.org 获取更多信息，或查看我们节目笔记中的活动链接。

Head to 92ny.org for more info, or check the link to the event in our show notes.

我们期待2月19日在那里见到您。

And we hope to see you there on February 19.

诺米，如果听众还不知道的话，你为《纽约客》撰写了关于《Heated Rivalry》的文章，你的文章标题是《美味的期待与释放：Heated Rivalry》。

Nomi, you if if listeners don't know this yet, you wrote about Heated Rivalry for The New Yorker, and your piece is called The Delicious Anticipation and, yes, Release of Heated Rivalry.

你可以在 newyorker.com 上找到它。

You can find it on newyorker.com.

在这篇文章中，你花了一些时间回顾了文学作品中多个经典的同性爱情故事。

In that piece, you kind of take some time to throw back to several of the great stories of gay romance across various forms of literature.

当你观看《Heated Rivalry》时，脑海中浮现的是什么？

What was, what was coming to mind for you when you were watching Hated Ravelry?

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，当我观看这部剧时，我既感受到一种前所未有的新鲜感，也仿佛第一次坠入爱河，等等。

I mean, I as I was watching the show, I was both struck by what felt like this kind of freshness and and felt like falling in love for the first time, etcetera, etcetera.

但我还想到，这部作品属于一系列探讨‘ closet ’问题的先前文本的延续。

But I also thought about how it was part of a lineage of previous texts that have dealt with the problem of the closet.

其中一部作品是伊恩·福雷斯特的小说《莫里斯》，这部小说直到二十世纪七十年代初才在他去世后出版，因为在他生前，社会尚不具备接纳描写同性爱情且是幸福同性爱情作品的条件。

And one such text was the Ian Forrester novel Morris that was only published posthumously in in the early seventies because, of course, the conditions for a text that deals with homosexual love and also happy homosexual love were not there during Forrester's lifetime.

因此，我想到了《莫里斯》，它和《热恋对决》类似，讲述的是两个来自截然不同背景的恋人。

So I thought about Morris, which is kind of, like, similarly to to heated rivalry about kind of two lovers coming from very different places.

主人公是一位上层阶级的男子。

The protagonist is is an upper class man.

另一位则是工人阶级的看守人，他们彼此吸引。

The other is is a working class gamekeeper, and they are drawn to each other.

他们发生了性关系。

They have sex.

但随后，一种相互的猜疑油然而生，因为一旦他们的关系被揭露，两人将面临巨大的危险。

And then there is this mutual suspicion that comes from the great danger that would come to both of them if their union was revealed.

最终，他们意识到，尽管‘ closet ’带来了恐惧与危险，但爱与吸引力依然能够超越这一切。

And, ultimately, there is a realization that there is, despite the fears and dangers of the closet, a love and attraction that transcends it.

所以我一直在思考这种关于‘ closet ’障碍的叙事。

And so I was thinking about that narrative of the obstacle of the closet.

对吧？

Right?

当然，这在现实生活中，以及在《莫里斯》和《激烈竞争》等作品中，以不同方式呈现为一种真实而痛苦的困境，但同时也带来了一种叙事冲突——虽然艰难，却正因为这种艰难，当它得到解决时才格外令人满足，而这正是一个有趣叙事的条件。

And how, of course, this is something that in real life, as well as in these actual texts in Morris and in a different way, in Heated Rivalry, presents an actual very painful thing to contend with, but it also allows for a kind of, like, narrative conflict that is difficult, but also because of that difficulty satisfying when it's resolved, which is kind of the conditions of of an interesting narrative.

对吧？

Right?

所以我认为这在《莫里斯》中也发生了。

And so I think this is something that happens in Morris.

我在文章中还提到了其他一些作品，比如《断背山》，讲的也是两个命运坎坷的恋人，两个不敢言说爱情的男人。

I also mentioned some other texts in the piece, you know, Brokeback Mountain also about two star crossed lovers, two men whose love dare not speak its name.

还有帕特里夏·海史密斯的《盐的代价》，讲述的是一对饱受考验的女同恋人，后来被改编成托德·海因斯的电影《卡罗尔》。

And we have Patricia Heisman's The Price of Salt, which is about, you know, these, like, challenged lesbian lovers later made into Todd Haynes' movie Carol.

我们还有一部我最近重看过的九十年代初的电影，格斯·范·桑特的《我的私人爱达荷》，讲述的是两个年轻男子，他们都是男妓。

We have a movie I recently rewatched from, again, the early nineties, Gus Van Sant's My Own Private Idaho, which is about two young men who actually are both gay hustlers.

所以他们实践同性性行为，从这个意义上说，他们是出柜的。

So they practice gay sex, and in that sense, they're out.

但问题是，他们中的一个人爱上了另一个人，想要和他建立一段真正的关系，而由于各种原因，这不可能实现。

But the problem is that one of them is in love with the other and wants to actually have a relationship with him, and that is impossible for a variety of reasons.

因此，在我们所钟爱的《热恋》之前，有一系列文本逐步引导我们到达了如今这个时刻。

So there's a whole slew of of of texts that came before our beloved heated rivalry that leads to the moment in which we find ourselves right now with it.

关于 closet，有一种特别的东西。

There is something about the closet

就是关于在那里的某种东西。

in There's just something about In the

在同性恋文学、同性恋电影中， closet 不仅是现代同性恋生活中真实存在的问题和特征，还具有非常强烈的叙事吸引力，因为它意味着秘密，也意味着揭示的可能性。

gay in gay literature, in gay filmmaking, it's the closet is, in addition to being a realistic problem and feature of much of, you know, gay life through through modern history, also has a very, very strong narrative appeal because it means secrecy, and it means the possibility of revelation.

因此，当你在创作这样的故事时——这在《热恋》中也发生了——立刻就会产生压力，立刻就会形成叙事张力。

And so when you're writing a story like that, and this happens in heated rivalry, immediately there's pressure, and immediately there's narrative tension.

每当我思考这个问题时，总会想到英国作家艾伦·霍林赫斯特第一部小说《游泳池图书馆》中的一段文字。

And I think all the time when I think about this question about, a passage in the great English writer Alan Hollinghurst's first novel called the swimming pool library.

艾伦·霍林赫斯特是我最喜爱的小说家之一。

Alan Hollinghurst is one of my favorite novelists.

他是一位同性恋作家。

He's a gay novelist.

他描写同性恋生活。

He writes about gay life.

我们爱你，艾伦。

We love you, Alan.

来吧

Come on

来参加节目吧，艾伦。

to the show, Alan.

爱你，艾伦。

Love you, Alan.

在他的第一部小说《游泳池图书馆》中，有一段引人入胜的段落。

There is this fascinating passage in his first novel, The Swimming Pool Library.

这本书写于1988年。

This is a book that was written in 1988.

它写于艾滋病危机期间，但故事背景发生在那之前。

It was written in the midst of the AIDS crisis, and it takes place before.

故事设定在八十年代初，那时艾滋病还不存在。

It takes place in the early eighties before AIDS is a thing.

它讲述了一个年轻人如何被引入同性恋的历史。

It's about a young man who is initiated into the history he's gay.

他由一位年长得多、自称是英国贵族的‘同性恋’同辈，带入了英国同性恋生活的历史。

Initiated into the history of gay life in England by much older, quote, unquote, queer peer of an English lord.

与此同时，他也在经历自己的性启蒙，在那个夏天发生了许多性关系。

And meanwhile, is having his own sexual initiation, having a lot of sex in the course of

就在那个夏天。

this one summer.

在这本书里。

In this book.

简直疯狂、极其露骨。

Like, crazy crazy crazy explicit.

如果你喜欢激烈的竞争，强烈推荐艾伦·霍林赫斯特的《泳池图书馆》。

Like If you liked heated rivalry, please go right to the swimming pool library by Alan Hollinghurst.

但我得提醒你，这本书比《激烈的竞争》更加原始、直白。

But it's I I I will caution that it's much more raw, I would say, than heated rivalry.

它没有像后者那样被净化得那么干净。

It's it's not kinda sanitized in the same way.

没错。

No.

当然不是。

It's it's certainly not.

这根本不是一部爱情小说。

It's this is not a romance novel.

我们来谈谈，它也不是

Let's let's And it's not

一部小说。

a You novel.

不。

No.

是的。

Yeah.

但有一段话让我非常着迷，那个年轻的男子威尔对年长者说：‘我总是忘记过去该有多性感。’

But there is a passage that is very fascinating to me where, this younger man, Will, says to the older one, I'm always forgetting how sexy the past must have been.

而那位先生对他这样说。

And and the lord says this to him.

他说：‘哦，那确实极其性感，比现在要性感得多。’

He says, oh, it was unbelievably sexy, much more so than nowadays.

我当然不反对同性解放运动之类的，威廉，但它确实拿走了很多乐趣，很多……

I'm not against gay lib and all that, of course, William, but it has taken a lot of the fun out of it, a lot of the.

然后他继续说：‘我认为1880年代一定是理想的时代，那时妓院里挤满了休假的士兵，英俊年轻的公爵们追逐着推车男孩。’

And he then goes on to say, I think the eighteen eighties must have been an ideal time with brothels full of off duty soldiers and luscious young dukes chasing after barrow boys.

所以这个段落让我觉得有趣的地方有很多，很多事都让我感兴趣。

So what's so interesting to me about that passage so many things are interesting to me.

其中之一是， closet 是一个幻想的场所，而过去也是一个幻想的场所。

One is that the closet is a site of fantasy, and one is that the past is a site of fantasy also.

比如，19世纪80年代并不是同性恋者生活的理想时代。

Like, the eighteen eighties were not an ideal time to be gay.

比如，王尔德的结局并不好。

Like, Oscar Wilde was did not have a a good go of it in the end.

我觉得有趣的是，人们对隐秘的向往，对那种让事情更具分量的感觉的向往。

I think what's interesting is this attraction to, to the secretive, to the sense of, like, what gives something more stakes?

是什么让事情更具压力？

What gives something more pressure?

是什么让事情更具张力，比明明要承受巨大的社会代价、隐秘和隐私，却仍执意去经历某种体验？

What gives something more intensity than needing to undergo an experience even though there's great social cost and secrecy and privacy.

我认为，这一点正是同性恋文学——我特别指的是文学——正在面对和思考的问题。

And I think that that's something that, you know, gay literature, I'm thinking of literature in particular, is reckoning with.

我刚刚读了埃德蒙·怀特的作品，那位了不起的小说家，他去年去世了。

Like, I I just read Edmund White, the the wonderful novelist Edmund White who died last year.

我刚读完他的最后一本书，名叫《我一生的爱》。

I just read his last book, which is called the loves of my life.

这是一本关于性经历的回忆录。

It's about it's a big sex memoir.

他说，他一生中与三千名男性发生过性关系。

You know, he says he's had sex with 3,000 men over the course of his life.

这里列出了其中一些人。

Here are some of them.

所以这本书充满了性内容，但他也在书中提到了一些非常有趣的观点。

And so it's a book full of sex, but he also says this really interesting thing in the book.

他谈到了自己最近的小说创作。

He says, about his own recent fiction.

他说，我最近的小说不再是自传，而更像思想实验。

He says, my recent fiction is less autobiography and more thought experiment.

他说，我常常希望通过描绘一个已然存在的、更美好、更富有同情心、更宽容、更大胆、更充满爱的世界，来引导读者走向这样的世界。

And he says, often I want to lead the reader to a better, more compassionate, more forgiving, bolder, more loving world by picturing it as if it already existed.

对我来说，这就是激烈的竞争。

To me, that's heated rivalry.

这正是激烈竞争所起的作用，嗯。

That is what heated rivalry does Mhmm.

在非常真实的层面上。

On a very real level.

但我认为，我们究竟想要多少这样的文学作品，这是一个真正的问题。

But I think there's a real question about how much literature like that we we want.

是的。

Yeah.

这让我想到激烈竞争的另一个特点，那就是，由于其背景设定在职业体育世界，我们被要求关心的每一个人都非常富有。

It's what it makes me think of is another feature of, heated rivalry, which is that, like, one of its preconditions because of its setting, professional the world of professional sport, is that everybody that we are made to care about is very rich.

是的。

Yes.

叙事性小说常常聚焦于资产阶级的世界，假定了一定程度的繁荣，或是中产阶级及以上的规范性生活。

Narrative fiction is so often about the the world of the bourgeoisie, a certain, like, amount of assumed prosperity, or sort of the normative world of the middle class and above.

衣柜是一个与这条线交叉但并不平行的空间。

The closet is a space that intersects with that line, but is not parallel with it.

它带你进入波西米亚的世界，带你进入中产阶级体面无法触及的社会其他领域，对吧？

Like, takes you off into the world of bohemia, takes you into other parts of society that middle class respectability cannot touch, right?

因此，在某种意义上，这就像一种观光。

And so, in a certain way, it's a kind of tourism.

对吧？

Right?

我认为这也是为什么它如此异域、浪漫，甚至可能带有怀旧色彩的原因，因为一旦某事物变得主流，你就会听到这样的声音：比如，某些激进的同性恋男性仍然认为，同性婚姻根本就不该发生。

And I think that's part of why it's so exotic and romantic and perhaps nostalgic as well, because the moment something becomes mainstreamed, and you you hear this, you know, there are certain, you know, radical gay men who are still like, gay marriage should never have happened, you know.

一旦某事物获得合法地位，它就会被商品化、公司化。

The moment something becomes legal, it becomes commoditized, corporatized

嗯。

Mhmm.

被打磨得过于平滑，像是用CGI处理过，失去了原本的质感，以至于人们可以同时认为它曾经更好，也曾经更糟

Smoothed over, kind of CGI'd, and loses much of its originary texture such that it can be simultaneously true that it was better and it was

更差，是的。

worse Mhmm.

在过去。

Back in the day.

对吧？

Right?

这真的很有趣，文森特。

That's really interesting, Vincent.

我觉得这可能对还没看过或还没看完这部剧的听众来说是个剧透，但我还是要说：在伊利亚和谢恩去谢恩的小屋后，最终他们被谢恩的父母发现了。

And I think and this might be a bit of a spoiler for listeners who have not yet watched or haven't reached the end of of the show yet, but I will say it anyway, that at the very end, after Ilya and Shane go to Shane's cottage, it comes to it comes to pass that they are discovered by Shane's parents.

于是出现了一个类似出柜的场景，谢恩不得不向父母坦白自己的同性恋身份。

And so there is this kind of, like, coming out scene where Shane has to discuss the fact of his gayness with his parents.

让我觉得有趣的是，那位妈妈是个控制欲很强的妈妈。

What's interesting to me is that the the mom is a momager.

肖恩的母亲还负责管理他，对职业体育界的环境非常精通。

Shane's mom also manages him and is very savvy about kind of the landscape of professional sports.

我们需要准备一份声明，以防有任何泄露，要优雅简洁。

We need a statement prepared in case anything leaks, something classy and simple.

妈妈。

Mom.

我会悄悄联系一些高端品牌，或者就找锐步、劳力士和速比涛。

And I'm gonna quietly reach out to the premium brands or maybe just Reebok and and Rolex and Speedo.

我想，等他们想明白这件事后，会非常兴奋。

They're gonna be thrilled, I think, once they wrap their minds around this.

如果他们操作得当，这里有着巨大的机遇。

There's a world of opportunity here if they do it right.

妈妈，能

Mom, can

请你往后退三步吗？

you just take three steps back, please?

我暂时还不打算公开什么。

I'm not gonna come out or anything yet.

我们只想要一个未来。

We just want a future.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我们暂时还不打算公开，这种说法在某种程度上是可以被接受的。

The moment of, like, we're not coming out quite yet, right, in some ways can be taken as, like, okay.

这是不是有点倒退了？

This is is this a little bit regressive?

你知道的，他们难道不是公开且自豪地做自己吗？

You know, are they not out and proud?

为什么他们要隐藏自己的真实身份等等？

Like, why are they hiding their true identity, etcetera, etcetera?

但另一方面，这又有点像你之前提到的，文森特，有点激进。

But in another way, it's kind of like a little bit, in in the sense that you were talking about, Vincent, a little bit radical.

就是，不行。

It's like, no.

我们保持低调，是为了不被当作某种实体被利用和商品化，是的。

We're keeping it to ourselves in order not to be kind of, like, used and commoditized as this entity Yeah.

在这场企业们玩的身份游戏中。

In this, like, game of identity that these corporations are playing.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这完全是另一回事，但我认为这里适用。

I mean, this is totally a total side thing, but I think it applies here.

我不知道你们有没有看过《我爱洛杉矶》这部剧，里面有一个角色是个模特，同时也是一个酷儿。

I don't know if you guys have seen the show I Love LA, but one of the characters in it is a mod is a sort of, like, Instagram model who also happens to be queer.

我觉得她是双性恋之类的。

I think she's bisexual or some you know.

但她有个女朋友，不幸的是，她的营销公司知道了这件事，然后就拍了一支彩虹色的Ritz广告，用她来宣传酷儿主题，她自己却觉得这是她有史以来最难过的时候。

But she has a girlfriend, and unfortunately, her her marketing agency comes to know this, and then they do this, like, you know, queer, like, rainbow colored Ritz commercial with her, and she's like, it's like the saddest she's ever been.

天啊，这简直是世界上最糟糕的事了。

It's like, oh my god, this is the worst thing in the world.

这是最俗气、最做作的事情了。

It's the corniest, cheesiest thing that's ever happened.

我觉得这让我感到自己好像有种恐同情绪，因为我的性取向被如此利用了。

I feel like this makes me feel homophobic, how much my sexuality has been used.

是的。

Yeah.

你懂的？

You know?

有一种方式，就是把性取向之类的元素，融入到主流社会所容忍的那些东西的结构中。

There there is a way that, like, you know, pulling sexualities or, like, into the sort of, you know, lattice work of of of things that are sort of, like, tolerated in mainstream society.

嗯。

Mhmm.

很难解释为什么这感觉像是一种惨胜。

It's hard to explain why it does feel like a a kind of Pyrrhic victory.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但确实如此。

But it does.

嗯。

Mhmm.

一会儿，渴望又回来了。

In a minute, yearning is back.

如果你真的爱我们，就会留下来。

If you really love us, you'll stick around.

你好。

Hi.

我是丽贝卡·福特，《名利场》的高级奖项记者，也是《小金人》的联合主持人。

I'm Rebecca Ford, senior awards correspondent at Vanity Fair and cohost of Little Gold Men.

奥斯卡颁奖季来了。

Oscar season is upon us.

《Little Gold Men》带你深入了解好莱坞最大奖项的角逐幕后。

Little Gold Men takes you behind the scenes of the race for the biggest prize in Hollywood.

房间里有一百位摔跤手，但只有一个人能获得奥斯卡提名。

There's a 100 wrestlers in the room, but only one can be Oscar nominated.

无论你是电影爱好者还是行业迷，《Vanity Fair》的《Little Gold Men》都为你提供了关于今年奥斯卡角逐的所有必备信息。

Whether you're a movie lover or an industry buff, Little Gold Men from Vanity Fair has everything you need to know about this year's Oscar race.

请在您收听播客的平台关注并收听《Little Gold Men》。

Follow and listen to Little Gold Men wherever you get your podcasts.

在这种混合氛围中，我觉得我们也该引入另一部电影，就是下周上映的《Pillion》。

In this kind of mix, I think we should also just bring in something else, which is the movie Pillion, which is coming out next week.

这部电影由哈里·莱顿执导，主演是哈里·梅林和亚历山大·斯卡斯加德。

It's directed by Harry Lighten and stars Harry Melling and Alexander Skarsgard.

有人想快速总结一下吗？

Does anybody wanna quickly synopsize?

好。

Yes.

请说。

Please.

《Pillion》的故事发生在当下。

Pillion takes place in the present.

我认为电影里他应该是26岁，我这么记得。

We have a I think he's supposed to be 26 in the movie, I wanna say.

你知道的，一个真正的纯真男孩。

You know, just a real virgin.

抱歉，但就是这样了。

Sorry, but that's that's it.

这是由哈利·梅林饰演的科林。

This is Colin played by Harry Mellon.

他和父母住在一起。

And, he does stuff like live at home with his mom and dad.

他和父亲一起唱男声四重唱，既可爱又简直是最

He sings in a barbershop quartet with his dad, which is both adorable and, like, absolutely the most

他童贞的象征。

The symbol of his virginity.

我的意思是，那是半说半戴。

I mean, it's the half say wear.

他是个好孩子。

He's a good boy.

他是个

He's He's a

好孩子好到病态的地步。

good boy to a point of pathology.

是的。

Yes.

他的父母——这在该类型片中是一个令人耳目一新的转折——完全为他是同性恋而欣喜若狂。

And his parents are, and this is a refreshing twist on the usual tropes of the genre, totally ecstatic that he's gay.

他们只希望他能和一个好男人在一起。

They just want him to be with a nice man.

他们在电影一开始试图给他安排约会，但那并不顺利。

They try to set him up on a date at the start of the movie, but that doesn't go well.

相反，他遇到了雷，一个由亚历山大·斯卡斯加德饰演的英俊北欧型男，恰好骑着一辆摩托车。

Instead, he crosses paths with Ray, who is just a hot Nordic stud played by Alexander Skarsgard, who happens to ride a motorcycle

恰好是个英俊的

Who happens to be a hot

北欧型男。

Nordic stud.

恰好是个话不多、身材高大英俊的北欧型男。

Who happens to be a hot Nordic stud with few words and, you know, just a large and handsome body.

他和科林的第一次约会，是真的。

And whose first whose first date who's and it's true.

他和科林的第一次约会，是在圣诞节那天的伦敦，带他到一些卡车后面一条安静的小巷里，脱下他的机车皮衣，然后开始拉拉链。

Whose first date with Colin is to take him out back behind some trucks in a kind of quiet passageway on Christmas Day in London to remove his motorcycle leathers, and he proceeds to unzip.

而哈里·梅林，你知道的，试图装模作样或什么的，表现得并不好。

And Harry Melling, you know, attempts fallacy or whatever, doesn't do very well.

我其实应该直接叫他的名字，科林。

I should actually just call him by his name, Colin.

他舔了雷的靴子，至此，他们之间的关系已经确立。

Licks licks Ray's boot and is at this point, the relationship between them is established.

基本上，雷是个主导者，而科林察觉到自己有成为顺从者的巨大潜力。

Basically, Ray is a major dom, and Colin, he susses out, has great potential as a sub.

当科林去雷家时，这种关系被推向了极端，他被当作一个无足轻重的人对待。

And this relationship is taken to an extreme when Colin goes to, Ray's house and is treated just like a nonentity.

他到达了雷的家。

He he arrives at Ray's house.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他没有被当作约会对象迎接，而是立刻被雷问：‘你需要我带你参观一下厨房，好让你做晚饭吗？’

And instead of being greeted in as if he were on a date, he's immediately told by Ray, do you need me to show you around the kitchen so you can make dinner?

是的。

Yeah.

他不能和雷一起吃那顿晚饭。

He doesn't get to eat that dinner next to Ray.

相反，雷的狗吃了那顿饭。

Instead, Ray's dog eats it.

雷上楼刷了牙，上床睡觉，然后说：对。

Ray goes upstairs, brushes his teeth, gets into bed, and says, yep.

你睡在地上。

You're sleeping on the floor.

早上给他一份购物清单，他们的关系就此确立。

Gives him a shopping list in the morning, and their relationship is established.

当然，这部电影的名字《Pillion》与雷所属的摩托车帮派有关。

And, of course, the name of the movie Pillion has to do with the motorcycle gang that Ray is part of.

他是一群同性恋摩托车手之一，他们都热衷于BDSM。

He's part of a group of, like, gay motorcyclers who are all into BDSM.

他们中的许多人与自己的后座骑手保持着长期关系。

Many of them are in long term relationships between the gums and their pillions.

是的。

Yeah.

那些骑在他们后面的人。

The guys who ride behind them on on the bike.

我认为这部电影的核心问题是，这部电影非常有趣，因为我们看到科林逐渐成长，通过雷发现自己的性取向，发现作为性个体的真正自我，进而成为真正的成年人，同时我们也看到他开始对雷施加的限制感到不满。

And the big question of the movie, I think, is I think this is such an interesting movie because we see Colin coming into his own, discovering his sexuality, discovering who he really is as a sexual being and therefore as an adult through Ray, and we also see him start to chafe against the constraints that Ray has imposed.

实际上，有件事我想说。

Well, actually, there there was something.

我想知道你是否愿意某天来和我父母一起吃晚饭。

I was wondering if maybe you might wanna come have dinner with my parents sometime.

和我父母一起吃晚饭？

Dinner with your parents?

是的。

Yeah.

你希望这样吗？

And you'd like that?

是的，不，我的意思是，他们会的。

Yeah, no, mean, you know, they would.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这并不是个好主意。

I don't think that's a very good idea.

好的。

Okay.

不行。

No.

抱歉。

Sorry.

是的。

Yeah.

我真的很喜欢这部电影，正是因为它们所形成的这种特殊关系模式。

I really I love this movie because of this particular kink formation that they are part of.

它在某种程度上取代了衣柜长期以来在二十世纪同性恋浪漫故事乃至激烈竞争中所扮演的角色。

It that comes to replace in some sense the role the closet has kind of, like, more traditionally played in the kind of, like, gay romance of the twentieth century or also in in heated rivalry.

对吧？

Right?

这种关系的结构本身就蕴含着渴望，也包含了外界对这段关系的误解。

Like, the the very structure of this of this relationship has yearning established into it and has also the misunderstanding of the broader environment around the relationship.

例如，有一个场景是，科林终于请求雷这么做，雷稍微松口，同意和科林一起去见他的父母——科林的父母一直很天真、温柔地问：为什么我们不能见见雷？

For instance, there's a scene where, finally, after Colin asks asks him and wants him to do so, Ray somehow agrees to he cracks a little bit and agrees to come with Colin to have a a meal with Colin's parents who have been asking, why can't we meet Ray, you know, in a kind of very innocent innocent, sweet way.

雷最终同意了。

And Ray finally agrees.

他们一起共进了一顿饭。

They have this meal together.

当然，雷对科林态度恶劣，而父母们完全无法理解。

And, of course, Ray treats Colin like shit, and the the parents just parents just don't understand.

是的。

Yeah.

当你的儿子脖子上戴着一条锁链出现时，是的。

It's When your when your son shows up with a chain around his neck Yes.

他像狗一样被锁着，而拿着钥匙的男人就坐在他旁边，他们根本没想到会这样。

You know, locked up like a dog, and the man with the key is sitting right next to him, They didn't expect it.

他们没想到会这样。

They didn't expect that

为了他们的早餐而闻来闻去。

for their smelling breakfast.

你怎么向父母解释？

Explain to your parents?

你怎么向世界解释，你想要的东西其实是被未满足的渴望所塑造的？

How do you explain to the world that the thing that you want is kind of conditioned by unsatisfied yearning?

真正的满足是

That the actual satisfaction is

不满足。

the unsatisfaction.

我甚至还想进一步问，解释它会不会毁掉其中一部分？

And I would actually even add to that, does explaining it ruin a piece of it?

因为在这里，我认为我们已经有了这个叙事。

Because here, I think we have the narrative.

我认为，某种程度上，正如霍林赫斯特所预见的， Closet 的预示正在发生。

I think what's going on in a way is the as to go back to the Hollinghurst, the foresaw of the closet.

是的。

Yes.

有一种性感，一种对秘密的预示。

There is a there is a a sexiness, a foresaw to the secrecy.

由于这种关系的极端性质，它必须被保密所笼罩。

And because of the extreme nature of the relationship, it needs to be shrouded in secrecy.

他们简直无法在公共场合像一对所谓的普通情侣那样行动，因为这段关系中根本没有这样的框架允许这种情况发生。

They they quite literally can't go out in public and act like a, quote, unquote, regular couple because there is no framework in the relationship for that to happen.

在电影的一个非常有趣的时刻，科林提出要暂时休息一下，以便他们能去做这些事，你知道，去看电影，看看会发生什么。

At a really interesting moment in the movie, Colin does ask for a break from this so that they can do that and, you know, see the movie to find out what happens.

但他们唯一能真正外出的方式，就是加入这个非常封闭的摩托车手群体，他们都懂这些暗号。

But the only other way they can really go out is in this very, very closed group of bikers who all know the codes.

这既是一个安全的空间，也是一个极其令人窒息的空间。

And it's both like a safe space and also a really, really, kind of asphyxiating space.

两者都是。

It's both.

我认为这部电影最有趣的地方就在于，它既是彻底的自由与释放，也是彻底的牢笼。

And that's what I think is really interesting about the movie, that it's both a total freedom and release and also a total prison.

是的。

Yeah.

有趣的是，这种当代故事中，同性关系在主流文化里已被完全接受，但依然存在着‘ closet within closets ’（密室中的密室）。

And it's interesting, this this thing of, like, these contemporary stories where gay relationships are totally, in the larger culture, totally accepted, and that there are sort of, like, closets within closets.

有一点是，科林那些非常支持他的父母，我想到《Heated Ravelry》时也这么想，因为那里当然有一位非常支持的父亲，还有咖啡师基普。

One thing is, like, the the very supportive parents of Colin I was thinking about this in Heated Ravelry because, of course, there is a very supportive father, the barista, Kip.

你看出来了，对吧？

Love You see that, man.

他父亲说：‘你怎么回事，居然说‘我爱你’？'

His father is like, what's up with I love you.

一切都会好起来的。

Everything's gonna be fine.

你在这份工作上一定会做得很棒。

Like, you're gonna do great at this job.

他是个好父亲。

He's a great father.

然而，基普因为进入了另一个他从未预料到的世界，突然间，他仿佛躲进了一个不同的 Closet。

And yet, Kip, because he's entered a different world, a world that he didn't expect to be in, all of a sudden, he's like in a different kind of closet.

他是个冰球运动员，所以不能这样。

Like, it's a hockey player, and therefore he can't.

突然间，出现了一层亚文化层面，使得即使在更广泛社会中名义上或法律上被接受的事情，

All of a sudden, there's a subcultural layer that makes even what is nominally or like sort of de jure accepted in the wider society.

也突然间有了一个更深的、他人无法触及的角落。

All of a sudden, there's a deeper place that others cannot go.

对吧？

Right?

所以，即使在自由多元的社会里，这种‘ closet ’是不是更糟了？

And so, it it's like even is the closet even worse in liberal pluralistic society?

因为这还像是多了一个问题：我为什么又在这里？

Because it's like It's also like an added question of like, why do Why am I in here again?

你知道的。

You know?

是的。

And so like Yeah.

那么，社会整体对‘ closet ’的开放，是否迫使我们寻找更深的隐秘空间？

Does the sort of broader opening of the closet in the wider society force us to seek deeper closets?

我觉得这是个非常好的问题。

I I think I think that's such a good question.

而且，你知道吗？你让我想到，文森特，无论是生活中还是小说里，‘ closet ’这个现象并不仅仅作用于直接与之互动的人。

I also you know, you're making me think of, Vincent, is also the way, narratively, both in life and in fiction, that the closet the closet is not just a phenomenon that operates around the people who directly interact with it.

Closet 是让社会中其他人也能借此定义自己的东西。

Closet The is something that lets everyone else in the society also define themselves.

是的，没错。

So, like Mhmm.

在《Pillion》中真正有趣的是，你知道的，科林那些出身底层、朴实的父母，虽然经历了文化上的进步与接纳，但实际上并没有他们自己以为的那么包容，最终不得不直面这个问题。

The thing that happens in Pillion that is really fascinating is, you know, the the working class salt of the earth parents of Colin who have made the cultural evolution towards acceptance actually aren't as accepting as they think and have to come up against that.

这是一种让每个人都牵涉其中的叙事手法。

It's a narrative device that everyone is implicated by.

是的。

Mhmm.

是的。

Mhmm.

但似乎确实如此，无论是这些故事的结构，还是你提到的其他一些故事，其核心驱动力都是一种强烈的、近乎压倒性的渴望。

It it does seem though that the structure and the engine of both stories and of, some of the others that you mentioned, Nomi, is this this like just sort of overweening yearning.

这是否就是爱情故事，或性觉醒故事中的那个维度？

Is that is is that dimension of the romance story or the the the the the story of sexual becoming.

这是不是意味着文化正在重新向这种状态敞开？

Is that something that we're just kind of the culture is opening itself back up to?

那种坦率而深沉的渴望，它的深度和可能性是什么？

There's, like, the the depths and possibilities of just frank yearning?

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我之前在我们那个影评人小群聊里给你们发过消息。

I mean, I think I I was and I and I texted you guys in our little critics chat.

嗯。

Mhmm.

TXBTs。

TXBTs.

我注意到二月份的Criterion频道，你知道，他们每个月都会推出一系列主题电影。

I saw that the Criterion channel for February, you know, they have these collections that they do every month of of, themed themed movies.

而二月份的主题正是‘渴望’。

And, they have one in February that's centered on yearning.

我当时就想，好吧。

And I was like, okay.

是的。

Yeah.

这 definitely 是当前的氛围。

This is this is definitely in the air.

我在想，你们怎么看？

And it's like I'm I'm wondering what you guys think.

是不是某种犬儒主义主导了文化，让我们远离了渴望？

Like, has it been kind of, like, a certain cynicism that has ruled the culture that has made us turn away from yearning?

当我们重新回归真诚时，是否正在重新接纳渴望？

And is there kind of, like, a reintegration of yearning as we reach back towards earnestness?

这是其中一部分吗？

Is that part of it?

就像

Like

哦，这很有趣。

Oh, that's interesting.

我觉得，你知道，真是个好问题。

I think, you know oh, what a good question.

我的意思是，渴望，我想我们可以明确一点，渴望确实存在。

I mean, yearning is I think we can just establish as a fact yearning is in.

2026年是渴望之年。

2026 is the year of the yearn.

哦，天哪。

Oh, wow.

人们都在渴望。

People are yearning.

他们正在写文章谈论它。

They're writing about saying it.

是的。

Yeah.

我们在谈论它。

We're saying it.

我们在称呼它。

We're calling it.

这是渴望之年。

It's the year of the yearn.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

渴望是好的。

The yearn is good.

我们甚至不需要讨论我们的年终节目了。

We don't even need to discuss our end of the year episode.

我们已经做到了。

We've done it.

我们将在2月19日于92街Y中心举办一场活动，讨论《呼啸山庄》和一部关于渴望的作品。

And we are doing an event at the 92nd Street Y, February 19 about Wuthering Heights and talk about a yearning text.

对吧？

Right?

我之所以觉得我们这么快就谈到‘渴望’这个主题还能接受，是因为我知道，以大写Y开头的‘渴望’即将随着《呼啸山庄》到来，而我们将更深入地投入到这种渴望之中。

The only reason I feel okay with us already being at the end of today's close to the end of today's episode and just getting to yearning is I know that yearning with a capital y is coming for us with Wuthering Heights, and we are going to get to engage so much more deeply in the yearn.

所以，请来看我们的这场活动吧。

So come see us for that.

但是，诺米，我觉得关于真诚这一点非常有趣，因为确实，渴望是以真诚为前提的，同时也以无法得到满足为前提。

But, Nomi, I think that's really interesting about sincerity because, yeah, yearning is predicated on sincerity for sure, and it's also predicated on lack of gratification.

如果我再回到‘激烈竞争’这个话题，我觉得特别有趣的一点是，它带有一点复古的元素。

And one thing that I think if I if I can once again return to heated rivalry, one thing that's so interesting about heated rivalry is some of a little bit of a retro element.

我不是指它的政治立场。

I don't mean in terms of its politics.

我是说，就技术层面而言。

I mean I mean, just in terms of technology.

没有人使用任何应用程序。

No one is on an app.

没有人会去寻找性爱并立刻得到。

No one is cruising for sex and getting it right away.

这是一种延迟的满足感，我认为这在当今文化中并不常见，也不是我们看待文化的方式。

It's there is a delayed gratification that is not so much, I think, part of the culture right now or part of how we see the culture.

是的。

Like Yep.

我们正深陷于 Tinder 时代，无论对同性恋、异性恋还是其他人来说都是如此。

We're living in we're, like, deep in the Tinder era for gays and straights and everyone else.

我们已经深陷于这种模式——你可以像点餐一样尝试约炮，就像点餐一样。

Like, it's we're we're we're deep in the kind of, like, you know, I can try to order sex like I order Yeah.

食物。

Food Mhmm.

这种情况。

Situation.

所以我认为

And so I think that

在渴望和获得之间的东西，正在不断缩短。

something between, like, wanting and getting is ever ever shortening.

没错。

Exactly.

是的。

Yeah.

这是否反而意外地加剧了对渴望的需求？

And has that actually counterintuitively led to a greater need for yearning?

很有可能是的。

Quite possibly, yes.

我喜欢这个说法。

I love that.

对。

Yeah.

你们觉得渴望这个元素怎么样？

What do you guys think about the yearning element?

我在想，是不是人们对渴望这种情感进行了一种病理化的解读，比如现在总在谈论‘面包屑’和‘环绕’这些现象。

I'm wondering if there hasn't been a kind of, like, pathologizing of yearning, all of this talk about, like, bread crumbing and orbiting.

什么是‘面包屑’？

What what is bread crumbing?

嗯，这其实有点像是渴望的一种前提条件，我觉得。

Well, it's like when you actually I mean, it's kind of like a precondition for yearning in some senses, I think.

因为当你渴望某个人时，对方却会给你一些零星的、像毒品一样的小刺激，比如突然给你发条消息，但之后就不再回应了。

Because it's like when you yearn for someone and that person gives you kind of, like, little, you know, like, shots of dope you know, text you out of the blue, but then doesn't follow-up.

或者只是说一句‘你今天看起来不错’，却并不想约你见面，又或者和你发生关系后却再也不联系了。

Or is like says, oh, you you looked good today, and then but doesn't doesn't, like, wanna, like, make a date, or maybe, like, sleeps with you, but then never follows that.

你知道的，诸如此类吧。

You know, whatever.

我觉得这方面的讨论已经很多了。

And and I think there's been a lot of discussion.

而他确实有点像一个‘面包屑’制造者。

And he is a little bit of a bread crumbler.

他确实有点喜欢给甜头。

He's a bit of a bread crumbler.

是的。

Mhmm.

我们或许有点过度病理化了渴望的条件。

We've we've been kind of, like, pathologizing the conditions of yearning a little bit, maybe.

也许我们正在回归一种更简单的态度：不。

And perhaps we're returning more to, like, no.

这种病理化其实就是对欲望的召唤。

This pathology is like what's called to desire.

是的。

Mhmm.

你知道的？

You know?

某种程度上是这样。

In a way.

是的

Yeah.

是的

Yeah.

对

Yeah.

我的意思是，我一直想着关于激烈竞争这件事，尤其是《Pillion》中的科林这个角色，有一种非常古老的感觉，那就是：哦，这是一个把整个生命都献给浪漫的年轻男子。

I mean, one thing that I kept thinking about vis a vis heated rivalry, and certainly, at least the Colin figure in Pillion, which is like, there's something very ancient about it, which is like, oh, here is the young man whose whole life is romance.

我的意思是，他们根本不会去想别的，这些家伙在激烈的说唱圈里都是千万富翁。

I mean, they don't think about any I mean, these guys are multi millionaires in heated rap.

他们有合同要签，有代言要接。

They got contracts to sign, they've got endorsement.

这都不重要。

It doesn't matter.

感性教育。

Sentimental education.

有一个，是的。

There's one yeah.

在这个充满分心和减弱冲动的世界里，你这一秒感觉这样，下一秒又感觉那样，一切都变成了一种灰蒙蒙的糊状物，而突然间，这些人的一切都与此息息相关。

In this world of sort of distracted and attenuated impulses, where you feel one thing one second, and another thing the other second, and everything becomes this sort of gray slop, all of a sudden, these people who, like, everything has to do with this.

这几乎是在说，我想重新连接最初的情感冲动。

It's almost to say, like, I wanna reconnect with with original impulses.

是的。

Yeah.

这非常原始。

It's it's very, like, primordial.

就像是，我想回到生命的意义之类的东西。

It's like, I wanna go back to the purposes of life or something like that.

是的。

Yeah.

坦白说，朋友们，我认为人们不断重看这部剧的原因，是为了回到那个起点，回到那种渴望，那种炽热的渴望。

And frankly, guys, the reason why I think people keep rewatching the show is to go back to that beginning, is to go back to the yearn, the yearn burn.

嗯嗯。

Mhmm.

他们渴望那种渴望的燃烧。

They want the yearn to burn.

他们想要那

They want the

渴望的燃烧，并且渴望这种燃烧后的解决。

yearn to burn, and they want the resolution of that burn.

但在那之后会发生什么？

But what happens after the

解决？

resolution?

解决？

Resolution?

没错。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

我的意思是，也许这正是《对手的热度》第二季的全部内容。

I mean, maybe that's what season two of the Heat of the Rival

但但但魔法会消失吗？

is all But but but will the magic be gone?

你知道的？

You know?

我们只能拭目以待。

We'll just have to see.

所以我们想留出本集的最后部分，来回顾一下你们在上周《我需要批评》中给我们提出的建议和反馈。

So we wanted to set aside the last part of this episode to go through some of the responses that we got from you when we asked for your advice in last week's edition of I Need A Critic.

非常感谢你们。

So thank you so much.

写信的人比我们预期的多得多，而且给出了许多精彩的推荐。

Many many many more people wrote in than we were expecting with such wonderful recommendations.

所以我们只是大致浏览一下收件箱，给你们挑一小部分。

And so we're just gonna kinda skim our inboxes and give you a small selection.

回顾一下，我想要一些关于在养育婴儿的同时吸收文化的建议。

To recap, I wanted some advice on taking in culture while parenting a baby.

亚历克斯想要一些关于体育的好书，而诺米则想要一些既放松又富有内涵的艺术作品。

Alex wanted some great texts about sports, and Nomi wanted art that is relaxing, but also enriching at the same time.

谁想先来？

Who wants to go first?

我可以先来。

I I can go first.

好。

Cool.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yes.

所以我想要一些能让我放松的艺术和文化作品，但不要那种愚蠢的东西。

So I wanted art and culture that put me in a state of relaxation, but not something stupid.

好的。

K.

我收到了一些很棒的推荐。

So I got some great responses.

天啊，我太兴奋了。

God, I'm so excited.

好的。

Okay.

丹妮尔推荐了《马男波杰克》，这剧我被推荐过很多次了，但我一直没看。

Danielle, she would recommend BoJack Horseman, which has been recommended to me many times, and I haven't pulled the trigger.

真的吗？

Really?

是的。

Yes.

这总是让人感到惊讶。

Which people are always surprised about.

是的。

Yes.

我很惊讶。

I am surprised.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

所以，也许我终于会去做这件事了。

And, so maybe I'll finally do that.

谢谢你，丹妮尔。

Thank you, Danielle.

玛丽建议我举办一场听歌派对，播放任何一张我曾经热爱的专辑。

Mary with a kind of experiential suggestion to throw a listening party of an album, any album that I used to love.

静坐下来，看看它会带给你什么。

Sit and quiet and see what it brings you.

喜欢这个。

Love that.

很喜欢。

Love it.

好的。

Okay.

吉娜建议观看维姆·文德斯的《完美的日子》，我还没看过。

Gina, with the suggestion to watch Vim Vanders' Perfect Days, which I haven't.

这是一部关于公共空间价值的优美沉思，展现了东京众多设计精美的公共厕所。

It's a beautiful meditation on the value of public spaces showcasing Tokyo's many gorgeously designed public toilets.

你看了吗

Did you

这部片子？

see house?

没有。

No.

我也没看过。

I haven't seen it too.

我非常喜欢它。

I really liked it.

我非常欣赏这部电影。

I really admired that movie.

它很棒。

It was great.

好的。

Okay.

我会去做的。

I'll I'll do that.

我今晚就准备开始看。

I'm ready to it up tonight.

我非常喜欢伊丽莎白这个建议，《危险边缘》。

I love this suggestion from Elizabeth, Jeopardy.

这就是中等品位的天堂是什么样子。

What middle brow heaven looks like.

你可以对自己感觉良好，同时也能放松下来。

You can feel good about yourself, but also relax.

我太喜欢这个了。

I love that.

劳伦斯建议我去艺术博物馆，带上音乐，稍微放松一下，比如吃点大麻糖果，如果你喜欢这种感觉的话，然后只是在博物馆里闲逛。

Lawrence is suggesting that I go to an art museum, bring music, get a little high, like a gummy high, if you like that sort of thing, and then just wander the museum.

这可不是一堂课。

It's not a class.

劳伦斯说，你并不是想学什么东西。

You're not trying to learn anything, Lawrence says.

只是用眼睛去享受吧。

Just enjoy with your eyes.

各位，我喜欢这些建议。

Guys, I love these suggestions.

我想把每一个都试一遍。

I wanna do every single one of them.

太棒了。

Incredible.

亚历克斯？

Alex?

是的。

Yes.

好的。

Okay.

那么我们开始吧。

So here we go.

来自 DJH——三个神秘的首字母——说：我观看《法国十三天》时度过了非常愉快的时光，这部影片描绘了1968年格勒诺布尔冬季奥运会。

From d j h, three mysterious initials, says, I had a wonderful time watching thirteen days in France, which depicts the nineteen sixty eight Winter Olympics in Grenoble.

这听起来太棒了。

That sounds fantastic.

天哪。

Oh my god.

这确实听起来太棒了。

That does sound fantastic.

它结合了我的一些兴趣，比如

Combines some of my interests such as

格勒诺布尔和体育。

Grenoble and sport.

还有1968年。

And 1968.

还有1968年。

And 1968.

辉煌的一年。

A banner year.