第725期：为什么比特币的下一章远不止持有，与RootstockLabs一起探索

我说实话。

I'll be honest.

一到天热，我就懒得纠结穿什么。

Once it gets hot out, I'm not trying to overthink outfits.

我就想要舒服、透气，但又不至于看起来太随便的衣服。

I want something that's comfortable, breathable, and still looks like I tried a little bit.

这时候我就选Quince，我刚买了他们家的亚麻抽绳裤，还有配套的短袖衬衫，简直太合我心意了。

That's where Quince is coming for me, and I absolutely love their 100% linen drawstring pants with the matching short sleeve button down that I just got from Quince.

真的，这正是我夏天最想要的穿搭。

Guys, it's exactly the kind of thing I want in the summer.

穿上特别方便，一披就走。

Super easy to throw on.

一点都不僵硬。

Doesn't feel stiff.

也不觉得沉闷。

It doesn't feel heavy.

透气性很好，看起来干净利落，又不会太正式。

It's breathable, and it looks clean without being too dressed up.

穿上就像在度假，但完全不像临时胡乱打包的样子，整个夏天在家也能享受这种度假感。

It's basically vacation energy without looking like you packed in five minutes, and you can have that vacation energy all summer long at home as well.

Quince 做的都是高品质的基础款，价格却不像奢侈品牌那样虚高。

Quince does high quality essentials without the luxury markup.

他们家有亚麻、有机棉T恤、轻薄毛衣，全是日常真会穿的东西。

We're talking linens, organic cotton, tees, lightweight sweaters, all the stuff that you actually wear.

他们的欧洲亚麻裤和衬衫特别适合夏天穿，价格也很合理。

Their European linen pants and shirts are a great warm weather upgrade, and the price is right.

起步价只要34美元，价格确实是很大一个优势。

They're starting at just $34 and pricing is a big part of it.

Quince 的东西比同类品牌便宜五到八成，因为他们直接跟有道德的工厂合作，省掉了中间环节。

Everything at Quince is 50 to 80% less than similar brands because they work directly with ethical factories and cut out the middleman.

你付的钱是冲着品质去的，不是为品牌logo买单。

So you're paying for quality, not just the logo.

而且他们的产品远不止服装。

And they go way beyond clothing.

我之前跟你们聊过，我有多喜欢Quince的网站。

You've heard me talk about how much I love the Quince website.

他们还有床品、炊具、沙发。

They have bedding, cookware, sofas.

这种网站就是这样，你本来只想买一样东西，结果待了半天买了好多。

It's one of those sites where you go for one thing and end up staying for many more.

提升你的夏日衣橱。

Elevate your summer wardrobe.

前往 quince.com/crypto101，下单即享免费配送，现在加拿大也支持365天无理由退换。

Go to quince.com/crypto101 for free shipping on your order and three hundred sixty five day returns now available in Canada too.

记得去 quince.com/crypto101，享受免费配送和365天退换服务。

That's quince.com/crypto101 for free shipping and three hundred and sixty five day returns.

quince.com/crypto10one

Quince.com/crypto10one.

你有没有想过，有哪些经济力量在影响你的日常生活？

Are you curious about the economic forces shaping your daily life?

NPR的《Planet Money》播客，能让你轻松听懂并爱上经济那些事儿。

The Planet Money podcast from NPR makes sense of the economy in ways you'll actually understand and enjoy.

兄弟们，你们不是最爱听这些简报吗？

Guys, you love listening to the rundowns.

我最近就常从这个NPR的《Planet Money》播客里获取信息，特别是现在霍尔木兹海峡局势紧张的时候。

I get some of that information from this NPR Planet Money podcast, especially recently with the war going on, the Strait Of Hormuz.

你就能随时听到他们第一时间带来的最新动态。

You're just kinda getting those updates as they come from these guys.

他们产出的内容真的特别精彩。

They put out a ton of awesome content.

虽然和《Crypto 101》的角度不一样，但一样值得听。

It's a different perspective from Crypto one zero one, but still a great listen.

如果你对时事和金融世界感兴趣，不妨去听听《Planet Money》播客。

So go over there and check out the Planet Money podcast if stuff like current events and the finance world interest you.

Planet Money 的每个故事都从一个问题开始。

Each story on Planet Money starts with a question.

最近几期节目问了为什么宝可梦卡片的价格涨得比你的退休金还快。

Recent episodes ask why Pokemon cards are growing faster than your retirement count.

关于战争的问题，就像我们最近在节目里经常聊的那样。

Questions about the war, just like we talked about recently a lot on our program.

从就业市场到股市，再到超市里的物价，Planet Money 都给你讲得明明白白。

From the job market to the stock market to prices at the supermarket, Planet Money explains it all.

Planet Money 打造了一个不一样的世界，在这里复杂的经济变得清晰易懂，真实的人的故事取代了枯燥的理论，让你边学边笑边享受。

Planet Money is a different kind of world where the complex economy somehow makes sense, where human stories supersede abstract theories so you can learn, laugh, and be entertained.

这是经济学，但接地气得很。

It's econ, but just down to earth.

主持人为了讲清经济，常常想出各种稀奇古怪的办法。

The hosts go to unusual lengths to explain the economy.

他们还出了一本书，专门追踪全球供应链。

They've published their own book to track the global supply chain.

他们甚至发射了一颗卫星，只为弄清楚私营航天业的经济逻辑。

They've shot a satellite into space to understand the economics of the private space industry.

他们潜入一场现场图书拍卖，展示创意是如何进入市场的。

They've gone inside a live book auction to show how ideas get to market.

这档节目让你边学边笑，听完后看世界的眼光都不一样了。

It's the kind of show where you learn something, probably laugh and walk away seeing the world a little differently.

如果你喜欢《加密货币入门》，那一定会爱上《Planet Money》。

And I think if you like Crypto one zero one, you'll enjoy Planet Money.

不妨去听听看。

So maybe check that out.

关注NPR的《Planet Money》播客，了解金钱如何塑造这个世界。

Follow NPR's Planet Money podcast and understand how money shapes the world.

好了，各位。

Alright, everybody.

欢迎回到《加密货币入门》的又一期节目。

Welcome back to another episode of the Crypto one zero one podcast.

我是你的联合主持人布莱斯·保尔，一如既往地和我来自远方的好友布伦丹·维曼一起主持。

I'm your cohost, Bryce Paul, as always joined by my good buddy, Brendan Veeman from across the great, great land.

最近怎么样，老兄？

How are you doing, man?

布莱斯，我状态不错。

You know, Bryce, I'm doing great.

我状态不错。

I'm doing great.

最近加密货币行情回暖，我挺兴奋的。

Crypto's getting a bump here, so I'm pretty excited about that.

这种时候真没什么好抱怨的。

It's hard it's hard to complain at a time like this.

对吧？

Right?

加密货币又开始回升了。

Crypto's headed back upwards.

牛市正在重新掌控局面，现在进入加密领域正合适。

The bulls are retaking control, so good time to be here in crypto.

太棒了。

I love it.

希望在家观看的各位观众，今天都充满期待。

Well, I hope everybody who's at home watching, is excited for today's episode.

今天我们请到了来自 RootstockLabs 的理查德·格林，他非常出色。

We've got Richard Green, who is incredible working at RootstockLabs.

他是机构业务的负责人，全面负责相关事务。

He's the managing director of institutions and all around.

非常高兴你今天能加入我们。

Really, really excited to have you join us today.

理查德，你最近怎么样？

So, Richard, how are you doing?

是的。

Yeah.

很好。

Very well.

谢谢。

Thank you.

还不错。

Not too bad.

就像布兰登说的，现在是参与加密货币的好时机，无论早上醒来还是晚上睡觉前想到这点都让人开心。

As as Brendan said, it's a it's a good day to be in crypto, which is always a a good thing to to wake up to or to go to sleep to.

所以我非常高兴能来这里和大家聊聊这个话题。

So I'm super happy to be here to chat about it.

相比第四季度和第一季度的艰难情况，第二季度开局明显好多了。

Much better, start to q two here than we had in in definitely q four, and and q one was pretty brutal as well.

不过我们马上要聊一些更积极的内容，比如RootstockLabs正在打造的东西。

But we're gonna go ahead and get into some really positive things, on RootstockLabs, what you guys are building.

但在那之前，我想先让大家更了解你。

But just first wanted to get acquainted with you, the audience.

跟我们说说你是谁吧。

Let us know who you are.

你一直在金融科技领域深耕，特别是在金融科技、稳定币、金融和市场这些交叉领域，已经十多年了。

I mean, you've been, you know, building in fintech, kind of at the intersection of fintech, stablecoins, finance, markets for for well over ten years.

所以我们想简单了解一下你的背景，以及你为什么选择加入Rootstock，跟机构合作。

And so we just wanna get a little sense of who you are and and why you decided to work with institutions at Rootstock.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

谢谢你的介绍，Bryce。

Thanks for that, Bryce.

正如你所说，我的职业生涯是从传统金融、数据和技术领域开始的，当时在彭博工作。

Like you say, I I started my career in the more traditional finance, data, tech side of things at Bloomberg.

我在那里待了大约十年，从管理欧洲的客户支持团队，到向银行、券商和高频交易团队销售数据和交易系统，什么都干过。

Spent ten or so years there going through everything from managing their customer support teams in Europe to selling their data and, trading systems throughout banks and brokers and, HFT desks and things like that.

大约十年后，我开始觉得外面或许还有别的东西，这个想法主要来自彭博的外汇业务，还有稳定币。

And then about ten years into that journey, I, I realized there might be something else out there, and and that kinda came about a little bit, predominantly through the FX side of the Bloomberg business, and then stablecoins.

所以我第一次看到两者的交集，是因为当时在交易所里，大家越来越多用它来做外汇交易，也开始出现一些疑问。

So that's where I first saw the overlap because, you know, you're seeing it a lot more being used in exchanges, people were using it for FX trading, and there started to be a few questions around it.

但我其实并不是那样的人。

And so I was actually never that.

每次聊到这个话题，我都特别希望我能说，我2010年就入局了，还经历过比特币一美元、十美元的时候，可惜我没赶上。

I would love to whenever I speak about this, I would love to be that person who said, you know, I got into crypto in 2010 and have that story of I missed out on the $1 or $10 or whatever Bitcoin price.

对我来说，我是比较晚才加入的，稳定币才是我接触这个领域的起点。

For me, I was a little bit of a a late joiner to the party, and stablecoins were my introduction to that.

于是我转投了Circle，很幸运成为欧洲团队的首批员工之一。

And so I, I moved over and joined Circle, and was very fortunate to be, one of the first hires out in Europe.

我们当时在推动那边的业务，真的很棒，因为那正是前沿阶段，开始有人接受了。

So we were looking at building out what we're doing there, And and it was amazing because we were it was frontier, it was starting to get adoption.

所以对我们来说，接下来就是怎么让更多人用上稳定币，把它带进主流视野。

And so for us, it was then about obviously getting people to use stable coins and getting that into mainstream.

这个我们待会儿可以再细聊。我们的策略一直在变，一开始我们以为客户主要是企业，后来发现交易台这类机构也是重点。

And I we can talk about this a little bit later, but the, you know, the strategies that we use constantly changed because first we thought it might be to do with corporations and then we thought it might be to do for trading desks and things like that.

不过，真正让我深入比特币领域、并加入 RootstockLabs 的原因，是我在 Circle 工作时，亲眼看到来自拉美、撒哈拉以南非洲等新兴市场的用户在使用稳定币。这让我意识到，大家想要的其实不仅仅是美元，还有其他的替代方案。

And but the the thing that then took me further into into the Bitcoin side and with RootstockLabs was as I was at Circle, I was seeing went and saw in real life people using stablecoins from emerging markets, Latin America, Sub Saharan Africa, and things like that, and and really started to feel, well, actually, there's there there might be another alternative here to to people wanting dollars because not everybody wanted dollars.

其实我很久以前就接触过比特币了，但后来我才真正看清它的用途：它不只是用来交易或博取价格上涨的工具，对于那些身处恶性通胀地区、需要一种不受政府控制资产的人来说，比特币是更好的选择。

And then, obviously, had been introduced to Bitcoin a long, long time before that, but then really started to see the application of of what Bitcoin Bitcoin could be for, not just for trading, not just for price appreciation for the but those people in areas of massive inflationary pressure who needed something that was separate or government controlled.

这也是我最终加入 RootstockLabs，并开始在机构业务领域深耕的原因。

And so that's what ended in me in me joining RootstockLabs then being on the institutional side as well.

而且，我们会再深入聊聊，比如机构投资者正在涌入比特币市场，我们该怎么抓住这个机会，又该如何为他们搭建相应的基础设施。

And, again, we'll go into more detail, but about, well, the institutions are coming for Bitcoin and how how do we harness that and how do we build out a an infrastructure for them.

对。

Yeah.

我想接着你刚才提到的在 Circle 工作的经历继续聊。

And I wanna write off that because I just heard you talk about how you were working at Circle.

Circle 的业务重心显然更偏向稳定币。

Obviously, Circle is a little bit more stablecoin focused.

我觉得你甚至可以说，它更偏向于其他币种一些。

I think you could even say maybe a little bit more altcoin kind of focused.

但你现在在Rootstock做的事，明显更偏向比特币为中心的方向。

But with what you're doing at Rootstock now, you're leaning into a little bit more of a Bitcoin centered approach.

是什么让你转向更专注于比特币，而不是稳定币或其他加密领域呢？

What made you lean in to being more Bitcoin centric as opposed to stablecoins or any other area of crypto?

是的。

Yeah.

对我来说，最主要的是它的技术层面。

I I I think the the main thing for me was the technology aspect of it.

并不是比特币代币本身，也不是它的价格之类的因素。

So it wasn't necessarily the Bitcoin, you know, token or the Bitcoin actual price or anything like that.

而是比特币的区块链。

It was the Bitcoin chain.

我看到了在上面做支付路由、处理容量这些事的可能性，当然，比特币的容量问题也存在，不过这个我们以后再细聊。

And so seeing the ability of what you could do on that with things like routing payments, the capacity, and then, you know, there's obviously questions around Bitcoin capacity, but again, can go into.

对我来说，关键在于我个人认为稳定币应该基于比特币的网络运行，因为从很多方面来看，比特币网络都是稳定币最合适的底层。

It it was for me, the the the fact that my personal views are stablecoins should sit on Bitcoin rails because it for many different reasons, it's the it's the great place for stablecoins to sit.

一方面是技术层面，另一方面正如我所说，也因为我看到了不同地区人们真正的需求。

So there was the technology side, and then like I say, a lot of it was just to do with seeing what people needed in different parts.

确实有一些新兴市场需要美元，或者希望获得美元，但也有不少新兴市场和政府不允许人们持有美元，他们不希望你拥有美元，对货币实施严格管控。

So there are obviously those emerging markets who need dollars or want access to dollars, but there are many emerging markets and governments who won't permit you to have dollars, so they don't want you to have dollars, and there's a tight monetary control over things.

所以，这成了一个特别有意思的方向。

And so it was a super interesting place to go.

我们来深入探讨一下。

Let's go deeper into that.

对我自己来说，我能从中发展出什么？又能学到些什么？

Let's see what what is for myself, what can be grown out, and what can I learn about it?

当然，你别误会我的意思。

And look, don't don't get me wrong.

我觉得稳定币很有前景。

I think stablecoins are bright.

我觉得这背后有一个巨大的应用场景，目前最广泛的使用主要集中在支付领域。

And I think that there's a massive use case, and that's the biggest adoption in terms of, you know, the the the payment side of things at the moment.

但比特币这一侧提供了一种既相似又不同的视角，帮助我们理解为什么人们会使用稳定币，这一点让我特别感兴趣。

But the Bitcoin side offers it offers an alternative, similar, and contrasting view to all of those different parts of why you'd use stablecoins, and I and I found that really interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

太棒了。

Super cool.

能跟我们说说 Rootstock 是怎么找到自己的定位的吗？

And so tell us a little bit about kind of, you know, how Rootstock has found a niche.

你们到底在做些什么，跟其他竞争对手有什么根本不同？

You know, what is it that you guys are building that's really different from a lot of these other competitors?

就像你刚才说的，你们并没有推出什么新币种。

Because like you said, you're not, you know, launching some new coin.

也没有推出什么稳定币。

You're not launching some stablecoins.

你们也不是在挖比特币。

You're not mining Bitcoin.

所以很多人其实都在想，你们到底是一家什么样的公司？

So people really are thinking like, well, what, you know, what kind of company are you?

你们是一群开发者吗？

Are you a bunch of developers?

能不能给我们简单介绍一下整体情况？

Are you you know, kinda can you give us the high level?

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Absolutely.

Rootstock Labs 成立于2018年2月，它是一个区块链，但属于比特币的二层侧链。

So Rootstock Labs was founded 02/2018, and it is a it's a blockchain, but it is a a layer two of side chain.

这些术语经常被混用，但其实它们并不一样，不过我就不细说了。

And those terms get used interchangeably, but they are actually different, but I I won't go into the differences.

但我们是区块链的贡献者，属于底层基础设施的建设者。

But we are contributors to the blockchain, so we are the infrastructure builders.

我常把二层网络或侧链比作高速公路。

And the way that I like to think about layer two or a side chain is in like a motorway or a highway.

想象一条八车道的高速路，车流顺畅，运行得非常好。

You've got a big lane highway, eight lane highway that's been built, and cars are going along it and it's great and it works really well.

但随着车越来越多，道路就开始有点堵了。

But then more and more traffic goes along it and then it starts to slow down a little bit.

于是你可能会建一条立交匝道，让一部分车从上面绕行。

And so then you might build an off ramp or an off road that goes over the top, and that is going to how allow for some traffic to go over the top of it.

而且通过这条绕行路线，可能还要收点费用。

And maybe there's a fee that's charged to go over that.

或者可能会有其他什么机制。

Or maybe or there's a something.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Absolutely.

对。

Right.

收费公路也好，有其他原因选择走这条路也好，但这条路线始终是建在主公路之上的辅助通道。

Toll road or there's a differing reason that you'd take that that road for what for whatever reason, but it's still operating off and above the main highway that sits below it.

然后你继续行驶，最终再汇入主公路。

And then afterwards, you drive along and you come back onto the main highway.

所以这些二层网络就像那些匝道或收费公路，不过显然，这里的‘过路费’不太一样，通常要便宜得多。

And so those layer twos are kind of those off ramps, so those toll roads, but, I mean, obviously, the tolls are kind of different and they're usually cheaper on these.

但它们的设计初衷是为了提升原有的主链性能。

But they're designed to be built to to improve the main chain that was there.

因此，RootstockLabs在创立之初，核心理念就是比特币才是真正的资产。

And so RootstockLabs, when it was being founded, the the idea was that Bitcoin is the the the true asset.

它是最纯粹、最干净的数字货币。

It is the most pristine as a, you know, as a coin.

它是最纯粹的抵押资产形式。

It is the most pristine form of collateral.

但它有个问题，就是不兼容EVM，而EVM是以太坊上的东西。

However, one of the problems with it is it's not EVM compatible, which is, you know, what is on Ethereum.

简单来说，你可以在上面写条件语句。

And very simplistic way of saying, you can write if statements on it.

如果发生某种情况，就通过智能合约执行对应操作。

If this happens, do this via smart contracts.

如果我收到货物，链上就应该触发相应动作。

If I receive delivery of goods, then this should occur on the chain.

因此，RootstockLabs的创始人率先实现了比特币对EVM的兼容支持。

And so the the founders of RootstockLabs built the ability Phil were the first to build the ability of EVM compatibility on Bitcoin.

所以这样一来，它就

So what that then Is it is

其实就是在比特币上构建了智能合约。

it also like smart you know, you built smart contracts on top of Bitcoin.

这么说对吗？

Is that kind of the the way to think about it?

让它变得更可编程、更易扩展？

Makes it more programmable and extensible?

没错。

Exactly.

就是在比特币上运行智能合约。

It's smart contracts on top of Bitcoin.

这样你就同时拥有了以太坊的全部编程能力，以及比特币作为真正原始抵押品的优势，还有比特币链的安全性。

So then you have all the programmability that Ethereum offers with the true pristine collateral of Bitcoin and the security of the Bitcoin chain.

比特币链上的所有特性，你都能继承。

Everything that the Bitcoin chain has, you inherit.

RootstockLabs 的目标正是如此，而且至今仍在坚持。

And that's what RootstockLabs aims to do and still does.

它想提供一种替代方案，但尽可能贴近主链，也就是第一层。

It aims to offer an alternative but be as close to the main chain, the layer one as possible.

这样一来，开发者和想利用智能合约功能的人就能使用比特币，同时在上面构建去中心化应用，比如交易、去中心化交易所、借贷平台，还有其他各种DeFi服务。

And so what that allows for is for developers and for people, who who want to build things with that smart contract ability to use the use Bitcoin, but be able to build dApps on top, you have trading, DEXs, loan books, and things like that, all within the DeFi space.

Rootstock 就是这么搭建出来的。

And so, you know, Rootstock built that.

而我们现在专注的，是 MoveTo 的机构业务方向，这部分正是我和我的团队负责的。

And then where is MoveTo and what we're focusing on the on at the moment is obviously the institutional side of business, which is which is where I and the team come in.

我们认为，机构对比特币的需求显然非常大。

And, you know, I think our view there is that there is obviously a big demand for institutions looking at Bitcoin.

他们想要什么，我们就不展开细说了。

They want we won't go into for more detail.

他们想要收益。

They want yield.

就像普通企业在外头运作一样，他们也可能希望用比特币作为抵押来获得贷款。

They might want loans against their Bitcoin coin as any normal business would operating outside of bit coin.

但他们也希望，能同时继承比特币本身带来的所有优势。

But they they want to then also think about, well, how can I inherit everything that came from bit coin itself as well?

那我该怎么确保自己是在比特币链上呢？

And how can I make sure that I'm on that the Bitcoin chain?

所以我们跟这些机构合作，帮他们了解在Rootstock区块链上能做什么，这正是我们的核心目标。

And so we work with those institutions to basically educate them on what you can do on the Rootstock blockchain, and and that is our core goal.

我们希望吸引各类机构，无论是寻求收益的资产管理公司、家族办公室，还是DATCO，或者只是把比特币记在资产负债表上的普通支付公司，他们都希望获得传统金融里那些资本市场的工具。

So we want to bring, whether it be asset managers, family offices who are looking for yield, whether it be a DATCO, or whether it be just a simple payments business with Bitcoin on their balance sheet, would come and say, we want access to capital markets tools, ones that we used to in TradFi, ones that we used to outside of that.

从RootstockLabs这边，我们会主动寻找提供这些服务的合作伙伴，要么帮他们接入区块链，要么协助他们从零开始开发。

And we, from the RootstockLabs side, will go out and find partners who offer those to integrate onto the blockchain or want to build from scratch.

随着未来发展，RootstockLabs也会开始自己提供这类服务，比如通过金库类产品，我们发现市场上存在一些未被满足的需求——比如比特币矿工就长期被忽视。

And as we're moving into the future, RootstockLabs will also start to offer those kinds of will start to be contributing to those kinds of solutions as well through vault products where we can actually see, okay, there is a gap in the market where a let's say, miners, Bitcoin miners are being underserved.

比特币矿工手上有大量比特币。

Bitcoin miners have a lot of Bitcoin.

他们手头现金紧张，却想用比特币作为抵押来融资。

They're dollar poor, and they want to use their Bitcoin as collateral.

那我们该怎么设计并推出合适的产品来满足他们？

So how do we build and offer something to that?

所以从机构端来看，我们未来也在朝这个方向努力。

So that's what we're building towards from the institutional side as well in in in the future.

明白了。

Alright.

加密货币入门，兄弟们。

Crypto one zero one fam.

我从不提起的一段经历是，大学时我曾打过一级联赛的美式足球。

A story I don't talk about at all is back in college, I played college football at a division one level.

那时候我想吃啥就吃啥，去健身房、按计划训练，身材一直保持得很好。

Back then, I could eat whatever I want, hit the gym, do the program, and stay in great shape.

根本不用特意去操心。

I didn't even have to think about it.

现在我年纪大了，三十多岁，情况完全不一样了。

Now that I'm older, in my thirties, it's a totally different story.

要说谁最欣赏老爸身材，那肯定是我了。

And nobody loves a good dad bod more than me.

但夏天快到了，我在想是不是该稍微减点脂了。

But with the summer coming up, I was thinking maybe I should lean out a little bit.

我和朋友们就开始研究怎么才能做到这一点。

And my friends and I started looking into how we could achieve this.

我们不想走肽类或者睾酮注射那条路，动不动就得打针，太麻烦了。

And instead of going down this peptide route or testosterone route where you gotta do all these needles and stuff, we didn't wanna do that.

我们想找点更自然的方法，结果就发现了Mars Men。

We were looking for something more similar and so that's where we found Mars Men.

人年纪大了，肌肉流失得快，脂肪也更容易堆起来，主要原因就是睾酮水平下降。

Listen, you lose muscle faster and store more fat as you get older, and a big reason for that is testosterone.

大多数男性三十岁出头就开始掉水平，这让你更容易长胖，尤其是肚子上。

Most guys levels start dropping in their early thirties, and it makes it easier to gain fat, especially around the midsection.

脂肪越多，身体就把越多的睾酮转化成雌激素。

And the more fat you gain, the more your body converts testosterone into estrogen.

这就成了个恶性循环。

It just makes it a never ending cycle.

但Mars Men是一种天然补充剂，能帮助维持健康的睾酮水平，让你的身体更高效地燃脂和增肌。

But Mars Men, it's a natural supplement designed to support healthy testosterone levels, helping your body burn fat and build lean muscle more efficiently.

不含那些奇怪的兴奋剂，只用了通加达利、锌和硼这类成分。

No weird stimulants, just ingredients like tonga dali, zinc, and boron.

我有几个朋友一直在吃这个。

Listen, I have friends that have taken this.

他们说精力更稳定了。

They're saying they have more consistent energy.

健身时力量也提升了。

They're stronger in the gym.

注意力更集中，体脂也稍微降下来了。

They have better focus, and they're leaning out a little bit as well.

食欲没那么旺盛了，恢复得更快，整体状态好了不少。

Less cravings, better recovery, just more dialed in overall.

如果你感兴趣想试试，这个东西完全不用打针、打激素那些麻烦事。

And listen, if you're interested in trying this, it's something that again, you don't have to worry about needles and shots and peptides.

就一颗药丸而已。

It's just a pill.

直接送到你家，还提供90天无理由退款，完全没风险。

It's delivered to you, and there's a ninety day money back guarantee, so there's no risk at all.

超过91%的用户都说精力更充沛了，评价都摆在那儿呢。

Over 91% of users report higher energy and the reviews speak for themselves.

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For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life, free shipping, and three free gifts at men go to mars.com.

就是 mengo to mars.com，下单就五折，再送你三样礼品。

That's mengo to mars.com for 50% off, three free gifts when you check out.

在亚马逊上也能买到。

And it's also available on Amazon.

买完之后，他们会问你是从哪儿听说的。

After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them.

麻烦支持一下我们的节目，告诉他们你是从 Crypto one zero one 听到的。

Please support our show and tell them Crypto one zero one sent you.

再次提醒，限时优惠，我们的听众可享受终身五折、免运费，外加三份免费赠品。

Again, for a limited time, our listeners get 50% off and free shipping for life plus three free gifts.

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就是 men go to mars.com，结账时享受五折优惠，还能得到三份免费赠品。

That's men go to mars.com for 50% off and three free gifts when you check out.

另外，也可以在亚马逊或其他购买渠道下单，记得告诉他们是由 Crypto one zero one 推荐的。

Also, check them out on Amazon and wherever you purchase it, tell them Crypto one zero one sent you.

你知道什么最拖慢团队进度吗？

You know what slows teams down more than anything?

不一定是人手不足、预算不够，甚至也不是工具本身的问题。

It's not always headcount budget or even the tools themselves.

真正的问题是，工作的方式只存在于某个人的脑子里，从来没人写下来。

It's when the way work gets done lives in someone's head and never actually gets documented.

一旦有新人加入、新系统上线，或者同事离职，大家就开始各自为政，做同一件事用不同的方法。

Then someone new joins, a new platform gets rolled out, or a teammate leaves, and suddenly everyone's doing the same process in a different way.

这正是今天赞助商Scribe要解决的问题。

That's exactly the problem today's sponsor, Scribe, was built to solve.

Scribe是一个工作流AI平台，能实时捕捉任何操作流程，并自动生成分步骤的文档。

Scribe is a workflow AI platform that captures any workflow in real time and turns it into a step by step documentation automatically.

你只要打开浏览器插件，像平常一样操作，Scribe就会自动记录下每一个点击、每一步操作和截图，生成完整指南。

You just turn on the extension, do the process like you normally would, and Scribe builds the guide as you go, capturing every click, step, and screenshot.

它已经获得超过八万家企业的信赖，包括近一半的财富500强公司。

And it's already trusted by over 80,000 enterprises, including nearly half of the Fortune 500.

我们团队是远程办公的，我确实多次不得不反复向同事解释同样的设置或流程，每次都觉得这事儿早该写下来才对。

With our team being remote, I have definitely had moments where I've had to explain the same setup or process more than once to a colleague, and it always feels like something that should have been documented the first time.

用Scribe，原本要花几个小时写文档、截屏、整理的工作，一分钟内就能准备好分享。

With Scribe, what could take hours of writing, screenshots, and cleanup can be ready to share in under a minute.

Scribe还能自动屏蔽截图中的敏感信息，比如姓名、邮箱和账号号码。

Scribe also automatically redact sensitive information like names, emails, and account numbers from screenshots.

管理员可以统一设置规则，确保团队里没人漏掉这些安全细节。

Admins can enforce that across the team so nothing slips through the cracks.

而且，任何遵循这个流程的人，都能实时看到屏幕上指引，明确告诉你该在哪个地方点击。

Plus, anyone following the process can get real time on screen guidance showing exactly where to click inside the actual tool.

Scribe 不只是记录工作流程。

And Scribe doesn't just document workflows.

它还能用人工智能建议如何优化流程，帮你发现重复的步骤、瓶颈，以及可以简化的地方。

It uses AI to suggest ways to improve them, helping you spot redundant steps, bottlenecks, and places to simplify.

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To book a personalized enterprise demo, visit scribe.how/crypto10one.

网址是 scribe.how/crypto10one。

That's scribe.how/crypto10one.

是的。

Yeah.

我很好奇。

I'm curious.

这方面目前的使用情况怎么样？

What does the current adoption look like in this side?

我之前做了一些调研。

I was doing some research before this.

我注意到你们Rootstock在比特币金融领域占据了大约30%的份额，也就是专门针对比特币的DeFi，这确实很了不起。

I saw that you all over at Rootstock have about 30% of all Bitcoin Fi or BTC Fi, right, which is like a play on DeFi except for Bitcoin exclusively, which is pretty impressive.

那目前的使用情况怎么样？用户增长和普及程度如何？主要都是谁在用？

But what is the current, like, rate or look in terms of traction and adoption and and who is using this?

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Absolutely.

你提到的这个数字完全正确。

So you're absolutely right with that number.

我们确实占据了这个市场约30%的份额，过去几个季度，我们的总锁仓价值一直维持在两亿五千万到三亿美元之间。

We we we hold about 30% of that market, and our TVL is, you know, ranging over the past couple of quarters around 250 to $300,000,000 in TVL.

举几个实际的例子，我们有一个合作伙伴叫Mercado Bitcoin，是拉美地区一家大型交易所。

And to give you some use cases and and and real life examples, we have a partner, Mercado Bitcoin, and they are a large Latin American exchange.

他们正在提供真实资产代币化服务，比如房地产或债券这类资产。

And they are offering tokenized RWA, real world assets.

可能是代币化的国库券，或者其他类似的产品。

So it might be tokenized treasury bills and things like that.

他们已经在Rootstock区块链上发行了四千万美元的代币化资产。

And they've minted $40,000,000 worth onto the Rootstock blockchain.

现在你可以看到，BTCFi领域正在增长，同时与比特币关联的真实资产赛道也在兴起。

So you're starting to see the the r the BTCFi side growing, but also the RWA side connected to Bitcoin.

人们希望用自己的比特币来参与这类投资机会。

So people wanting to use their Bitcoin to gain access to things like that.

我们还与Midas、Mello和Tear Capital等合作伙伴建立了整合关系。

And so we also have partners integrated, the likes of Midas, Mello, and Tear Capital.

他们是资金托管方，提供代币化的对冲基金策略或链上投资方案。

They're vault providers, and they offer tokenized, could be hedge fund strategies or tokenized on chain strategies.

这些项目的总锁仓价值已经达到了约十亿零二十万美元。

And those, again, are in the kind of $1,020,000,000 TVL mark.

所以我们现在在用户增长方面已经到了一个关键阶段。

So the the what we are at a stage in terms of traction.

我们目前的业务数据正在稳步上升。

It's it's we are at a stage where we are growing in terms of our numbers.

但更值得关注的是，背后已经有不少企业主动找上门，想参与进来，或者希望配置资金。

But what we're seeing from behind the scenes as well is a number of businesses coming to us and saying we want to do something or we want to allocate capital.

他们问：我们该从哪里入手？

Where can we do that?

有没有什么可行的解决方案？

Or what could the solution be towards that?

至于具体是谁——虽然不能多说，但确实有来自亚洲和欧洲的大型机构在关注。

Whether that be, you know and and without being able to shed kinda too much in regards to this, very large players within Asia or very large players within Europe.

他们的意思是，Rootstock Labs 和 Rootstock 提供的链上资本产品和金融市场工具，让他们非常看好。

And and and their point is we we like what we're seeing happening from the RootstockLabs side and the Rootstock side, in terms of offering on chain capital product capital market products.

他们想行动起来。

We wanna do something.

你能帮我们理清一下，这可能会是什么样子吗？

Can you help guide us in what that could look like?

接下来，我们就在讨论，你们在 Rootstock 链上能做些什么，你们的产品在这方面又能怎么发展？

And then, you know, that's where we are talking about what can you do on the Rootstock chain, what could you be doing in terms of your own product and that that aspect of things?

市场上也有大量的承诺和需求在涌来。

So there's a large amount of commitments and demand coming from the market as well.

对。

Yeah.

这说得通。

That that makes sense.

所以，我理解的是，你们的意思是：

And so, basically, what what I'm getting from this is that you guys are saying, hey.

我们知道比特币是第一个区块链。

We know that Bitcoin is the first blockchain.

它也是最大的一个。

It's the largest one.

它从未下线过。

It's never been offline.

自诞生以来，它的记录一直完美无缺，而这正是你吸引的那类人群。

It has, you know, basically a perfect track record since inception, and that's who you're appealing to this.

你说的是，要找一个真正去中心化、历史记录完美、知名度和声誉都和比特币相当的项目，你目标的用户群体就是这样的，我觉得很合理。

As you're saying, let's get something that is truly decentralized, that has this perfect track record, that is as well known and has as good of a reputation that Bitcoin has, and you're saying that's kind of the people that you're pitching this to, which I think makes sense.

我觉得加密货币领域很重要的一点是，我们一直主张，

I think one of the big things in crypto is we're big advocates of saying, hey.

要提供多种选择，让用户自己决定要什么。

Let's build all these different options and let the people decide what they want.

想用以太坊的人，完全可以。

So, you know, if people wanna use Ethereum, they can.

想用索拉纳的人，也完全可以。

If people wanna use Solana, they can.

但我觉得，如果有人想用比特币，也应该有这个选择，因为确实有很多人觉得，

But I think people should have an option to use Bitcoin if they want to because there's a lot of people out there who say, hey.

我其实就是摆弄比特币。

All I really do is is mess with Bitcoin.

我保持简单。

I keep it simple.

我坚持传统做法。

I keep it traditional.

我觉得这样挺好。

And I think that's fine.

给这些人提供更多选择，最终能扩大潜在市场。

So giving those people additional options ultimately expands the addressable market.

会有更多人想加入，我很支持这一点。

You can have more people wanna get in there, and I'm a I'm a big fan of that.

我唯一的问题是，当把BTCFi和其他链相比时，扩展性怎么样？

My only question is how does the scalability look like when you're comparing, you know, BTCFi to other chains?

比如Solana，比如二层网络，还有以太坊主网本身。

You know, say Solana, say the layer twos, say the the Ethereum main chain itself.

在可扩展性和效率方面，它表现如何？

How does it compare in terms of scalability or efficiency?

我同意前面所有这些观点。

I I and I agree with all of those previous points.

我觉得这正是我们想做的，所以 Rootstock 从设计之初就尽量贴近主链，因为主链的安全性最高。

I I think that's exactly what we're wanting to do, and that's why Rootstock was built to be as close to the the the main chain as possible because it it it is the most secure.

说实话，说到可扩展性，它才是真正的高扩展性——毕竟比特币上的资本规模高达两万亿美元，这是经过验证的。

And to be honest, when you talk about then, you know, the scalability, well, it's the most scaled because the amount of capital that is on, you know, Bitcoin $2,000,000,000,000 in in market cap, it's it's the most proven.

它已经证明了自己。

It's the proven point.

而且它的安全记录也同样可靠。

And so it has that security record as well.

在我看来，过去那种模式已经过时了，这是我从传统金融和科技领域积累的经验。

And I think that gone are the gone and this is my experience from the traditional world of finance and and technology.

保持 99.99% 的正常运行时间，具备足够的可扩展性，这不再是锦上添花，而是必不可少的。

Having a 99.99, let's say, uptime, having the scalability, it's not a good to have, it's it's a necessary to have.

这是基本要求。

It's the baseline.

并不是说，哦，也许我们能凑合，我知道你们之前遇到过几次黑客攻击或者系统宕机，但总能想办法绕过去。

It's not that it's like, oh, maybe we, you know, I I know that you've had a few hacks or you've had a bit of downtime or we can come around it.

我觉得还是有一些玩家能靠这种方式撑下去。

I think there are players out there who can still get by with that.

但对于那些要处理巨额资金流动的机构来说，哪怕将来面向零售客户或机构客户，也必须具备这个条件。

But for an institution moving massive sums of capital or offering it even eventually whether it be retail customers or to their institutional clients, you have to have that.

说到可扩展性，很多人在讨论比特币能不能扛住涌入的这么大的交易量。

And so scalability, you know, I think there's a lot of conversation around can Bitcoin handle all of this volume that's coming in.

还有很多人在讨论二层网络能不能应对，比如Rootstock或者闪电网络。

And then there's a lot of conversation around can the layer twos handle that, right, whether it be Rootstock or whether it be Lightning.

说实话，这些问题确实存在，但好消息是，我们完全有能力去构建和改进。

And to be honest with you, yes, I think that it's something where all of this all of these questions around that, it's the the the ability to build and improve is there.

Rootstock很清楚，如果需要提升可扩展性，自己该怎么做。

Rootstock knows exactly what it needs to do if it needs to manage scalability.

闪电网络的团队很清楚自己该做什么，贡献者们也清楚该如何提升系统的扩展性。

Lightning know exactly what they need to do or the contributors know exactly know what they need to do in terms of improving their scalability.

所以这一点对我来说根本不是问题。

So that isn't a concern for for me.

我觉得像以太坊和Solana这些链，虽然在低成本、高速交易方面确实很强，但我的根本看法是，它们仍然缺乏监管明确性，或者资本和流动性分散，又或者系统稳定性不足、容易被攻击。

I think that whilst the other chains, the likes of Ethereum and Solana are incredibly strong at, you know, cheap, fast transactions, the the my my fundamental view is that there's still a lack of whether it be regulatory regulation clarity around that or whether it be fragmentation of, like, capital and liquidity and whether it be, you know, uptown uptime or or or hacks.

比特币是唯一一个已经证明了这一切的。

Bitcoin remains the one that has proven all of these.

我就不展开细说了，但大家肯定都听说过量子计算威胁、黑客攻击这类风险。

And you you know, not to go even into more detail, but I'm sure that people have heard about the the whole risk of quantum and hacks and things like that.

那比特币在怎么应对这些问题？

And what's what's Bitcoin doing to solve that?

核心贡献者们又在做些什么来解决这些风险？

What are the core contributors doing to solve that?

现在大家对这些问题的解决时间有各种说法，有人说三年后才能搞定。

And you're seeing many differing views of it's three years away.

可能得五年后才行。

It's five years away.

还有很多比我要聪明百万倍的人，他们看得很清楚，也在为此努力。

There are still there are people who are incredibly smart and a million times smarter than I am who who see that and are building towards that.

确实，某些方面的改进并不容易。

So, yes, it is difficult to improve in certain ways.

但这些问题并不是没人管。

It's not like it's not being addressed.

我觉得，可扩展性其实已经得到验证了。

So I I I think that the the scalability has already been proven.

你看Block和杰克·多西用比特币处理海量支付，这事实就摆在那儿。

And whether you're looking at the payments of Block and Jack Dorsey and running the massive amounts through Bitcoin, it's it's there.

如果真需要提升，大家都知道该怎么去做。

And if it needs to be increased, people know what to do to do that.

对。

Yeah.

挺有意思的。

Interesting.

而且，确实，现在大家最关心的还是安全性问题。

And, yeah, I think the security is is the the main thing that people are focused on right now.

最近以太坊上的Kelp DAO和Aave就出了大问题，有三亿美元的伪造资金在系统里流通。

Obviously, there was recently the big hack in Ethereum for the Kelp DAO and Aave, like, $300,000,000 of of counterfeit money that was getting used essentially in Ethereum.

你知道，以太坊本身就是个巨大的目标。

You know, and Ethereum's just a really big target.

对吧？

Right?

毕竟那里集中了最多的资金。

Because that's where all the money is.

比特币其实也早就成了黑客的重点目标。

And, you know, Bitcoin's been a big target for a long time as well.

Rootstock有没有遇到过类似的攻击？有没有经历过类似的危机？还是说，因为涉及金额不够大，还没引起黑客的注意？

You know, has Rootstock ever, you know, been the target of of similar kinds of hacks, or has it, had to deal with kind of any adversity like that as as well, or has have the the numbers not been as large enough to be compelling for for hackers yet?