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谁出生时就能成为美国公民？
Who gets to be a citizen of The United States at birth?
在学校体育活动中，谁有资格和女生一起参赛？
When it comes to sports in school, who gets to compete with the girls?
总统对独立机构的用人和解聘权到底有多大？
And how much power does the president actually have to hire and fire at independent agencies?
这些正是美国最高法院本届会期面临的关键问题。
These are some of the key questions before the US Supreme Court this term.
任何一位经验丰富的律师都明白，能否在最高法院胜诉，取决于事实、证据，还有你如何构建自己的论点。
And as any good lawyer knows, whether you win or lose in the highest court depends on the facts, the evidence, and how you frame your arguments.
但这并不是唯一重要的因素。
But that's not the only thing that matters.
我是NBC新闻的资深法律记者劳拉·贾雷特。
I'm Laura Jarrett, senior legal correspondent at NBC News.
这个月，在我们《真相播报》播客的新系列中，我将采访一些法律专家和律师，他们过去的胜诉案例，如今正成为尚未决出胜负的重大案件的基础。
And this month, in a new series for our Here's the Scoop podcast, I'm talking to legal experts and lawyers whose past legal victories are now the building blocks for the biggest cases still left to be decided.
我想知道他们是怎么说服法院相信他们是对的。
I wanna know how they convinced the court they were right.
当 stakes 很高的时候，到底是什么关键因素让他们稳操胜券？
When the stakes were high, what special sauce locked it in?
这次又会有什么不同呢？
And what could be different this time around?
欢迎收听《Here's the Scoop》最高法院特别版。
Join us for Here's the Scoop Supreme Court edition.
每周六更新新一期。
New episodes every Saturday.
你可以在 YouTube 以及各大播客平台收听 NBC 新闻出品的《Here's the Scoop》。
You can find Here's the Scoop from NBC News on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts.
今晚《今日视线》。
Tonight on Dateline.
当人们告诉我她现在在天堂的时候。
When people tell me she's in heaven now.
不是。
No.
摩根并不想上天堂。
Morgan doesn't wanna be in heaven.
她想留在这里。
She wants to be here.
她想亲自抚养女儿。
She wants to be raising her daughter.
她想好好活着。
She wants to be living the life.
她上车时被人开枪射杀了。
She was shot while she was getting into the vehicle.
这是一起处决。
So this is an execution.
据她男友说，她是在那时被发现的。
That's what it appeared she was discovered by her boyfriend.
你做的那些事明显跟正常人不一样。
There's very distinct things that you're doing that are not normal.
她在联邦快递当经理。
She was a manager at FedEx.
她来找我的时候，哭得很伤心。
She came to me and she was crying.
她觉得有人在骚扰她。
She felt that people were harassing her.
她向管理层反映过这事，然后呢？
She had complained about it to management and what?
她说，根本没人采取任何行动。
She said that nothing has been done.
我当时就惊了。
I'm like, oh my god.
那种情况之一
One of those
她在工作中被几个男同事这样对待。
boys at work did this to her.
你有没有对她产生过浪漫的感情？
Did you ever want something romantically with her?
没有。
No.
你开枪打了摩根·福克斯吗？
Did you shoot Morgan Fox?
没有。
No.
有一位经理对她特别着迷。
One manager had it bad for her.
他真的很想约她出去约会。
He really wanted to date her.
你一定在想，这事是怎么发生的，是谁干的，在哪发生的，为什么会出现这种情况。
You're wondering how, who, where, and why.
我们发现了将近一百张未经摩根同意、从她Instagram上盗取的照片。
We found close to a 100 pictures taken off of Morgan's Instagram without her knowledge.
我全身一下子涌上恐慌。
Panic rushed over my body.
所有的警示信号全都冒出来了。
Every single red flag came out.
让我猜猜。
Let me guess.
这全是一场误会。
This is all a big mistake.
一位年轻母亲在深夜遭枪杀，而更黑暗的，是凶手隐秘的痴迷。
A young mom gunned down in the dark of night, even darker, the killer's secret obsession.
我是莱斯特·霍尔特。
I'm Lester Holt.
欢迎收看《今日事件》。
This is Dateline.
接下来是乔什·曼基维奇带来的《临界点》。
Here's Josh Mankiewicz with Breaking Point.
在美国工作，有这么一件事。
Here's the thing about working in America.
你把一群人关在同一个空间里，让他们团队协作、并肩作战，再加点截止日期和业绩压力，有些事几乎是必然发生的。
You put a bunch of people in an enclosed space, tell them to work as a team, shoulder to shoulder, add in some deadline and performance pressure, and a couple of things are sure to happen.
他们开始互相打分。
They'll start to rate each other.
谁靠谱？
Who's good?
谁偷懒？
Who's lazy?
谁长得好看？
Who's cute?
他被过分崇拜了。
He was significantly adore.
是的。
Yes.
很明显看得出来。
You could tell.
很明显看得出来。
You could tell.
他们还会开始约会。
They'll start to date each other.
这根本躲不掉。
It's unavoidable.
她在工作中认识了一个男生。
She met a guy at work.
他特别温柔，特别体贴。
He was super sweet and super kind.
有时候，他们也会开始互相讨厌。
And sometimes they'll start to hate each other.
这时候管理层通常就会介入了。
That's when management usually steps in.
我直接去找了主管，跟他说：他又来找我麻烦了。
I went straight up to the supervisor, and I was like, he's bothering me again.
有些事情公司根本没法预料。
Some things companies just can't predict.
有些事情他们能预料，比如摩根·福克斯这种员工的可靠性。
Some things they can, like the dependability of an employee like Morgan Fox.
摩根人特别好。
Morgan, she was great.
和她一起工作特别愉快。
She was fun to work with.
她为人真诚，工作也非常努力。
She was genuine and very much a hard worker.
她总是在上班时间准时到岗，除了2020年10月28日那天早上。
Always there as her shift started, except on the morning of 10/28/2020.
好几个人都在问，嘿。
Quite a few people were asking like, hey.
有人见过她吗？
Has anybody seen her?
今天有谁跟摩根说过话吗？
Has anybody talked to Morgan today?
摩根在俄亥俄州北坎顿的联邦快递分拣中心上早班。
Morgan worked the early shift at this FedEx Ground sorting facility in North Canton, Ohio.
妮基·沃特金斯是她的同事。
Nikki Watkins was her coworker.
大家都通过无线电说，没，我没跟她聊过。
Everybody's radioing like, no, I haven't talked to her.
有谁试过给她打电话吗？
Has anybody tried calling?
要不要试试打给她妈妈？
Maybe tried calling her mom.
因为这完全不像摩根的风格，大家很快就担心起来了。
Because this was so unlike Morgan, people got concerned pretty Yes.
确实很快。
Very
很快。
quickly.
后来我们结束班次时，发现她既没来上班，也没请假。
Then we kinda ended the shift with it was a no call, no show.
也许她只是睡过头了。
Maybe she just slept in.
结果发现，摩根根本不是睡过头了。
It turned out Morgan had not just slept in.
911，联合警察局，消防和医疗援助。
911, Union Police, Fireworm, Medical Help.
她的同事们不知道的是，那天早上大约6点半，摩根的男朋友杰森拨打了911。
What her coworkers didn't know was that at about 06:30 that morning, Morgan's boyfriend Jason called 911.
急救。
Medical.
我觉得我女朋友可能已经死了。
I mean, I'm pretty sure my girlfriend's dead.
您为什么这么说，先生？
What makes you say that, sir?
我起床了。
I came out.
我起来去上班。
I got up for work.
我走出去了。
I came out.
我看到外面有辆车。
I outside.
我看到外面停着一辆车。
I've seen a car out here.
我出来的时候，发现她躺在驾驶座上，没反应，身体冰凉，满身是血。
I came out here, and she's laying in her front seat unresponsive, very cold, covering blood.
看起来她的后脑勺在流血。
Looks like her head is bleeding from behind.
我不确定她是自己摔的，还是被人打的。
I don't know if she fell or if she got bashed.
如果你觉得他听起来并不特别慌张，那你不是一个人这么想。
If you think he sounds a little less than frantic, you are not alone.
您是想试试心肺复苏，还是根本摸不到脉搏？
Do you wanna try CPR, or do you think she's you don't feel a pulse at all, sir?
我完全摸不到脉搏。
I don't feel a pulse at all.
你到的时候，警察已经到了。
When you get here, officers are already here.
救护车也已经到了。
Paramedics are here.
是的
Yeah.
斯塔克县警长办公室的警长克雷格·肯尼迪负责了这次调查。
Stark County Sheriff's Office sergeant Craig Kennedy supervised the investigation.
她的车就停在车道上。
Her car is parked right here in the driveway.
她还在车里？
And she's still in it?
她部分身子歪在驾驶座上，一只脚还踩在地上。
So partially, she slumped into the driver's seat with one foot still out on the ground.
车门还开着吗？
Door still open?
车门是开着的，地上有些食物包装袋，看起来她当时正准备拿午餐吃。
Door was still open, and there was some remnants of some food wrappers that appeared she was taking items for lunch.
副驾驶一侧的车窗被砸碎了。
The passenger side window had been shattered.
29岁的摩根中枪了。
29 year old Morgan had been shot.
她走出来，
So she comes out
从正门出来，上了车，有人从她身后靠近。
the front door, gets in her car, somebody comes up from behind her.
对。
Yes.
事情发生得很快。
It's quick.
对。
Yes.
这是一次处决。
And this is an execution.
根本没挣扎。
Like, there's no fight.
没错。
Correct.
大概
Around
早上八点左右，摩根的一个家人注意到她家周围有执法人员，就打电话告诉了摩根的妈妈辛迪，但辛迪一开始并不担心。
8AM, one of Morgan's family members noticed the law enforcement presence at the house and called Morgan's mom, Cindy, who at first was not worried.
她还在凌晨一点半刚和女儿聊过天。
She had just chatted with her daughter at 01:30 a.
那是六个半小时以前的事了。
M, about six and a half hours earlier.
她觉得摩根应该没事。
She's like, she should be fine.
摩根的姑姑，克里斯·威尔科普。
Morgan's aunt, Kris Willkop.
于是她开始给摩根打电话，但怎么也打不通。
So then she started trying to call Morgan and she couldn't get ahold of Morgan.
然后她打了摩根的男朋友，也联系不上。
And then she called Morgan's boyfriend and couldn't get ahold of him.
于是辛迪上了车，开车过去了。
So Cindy got in the car and drove over.
她就是那时候才知道的？
And that's when she found out?
是的。
Yeah.
她到现场时，警察什么都不肯告诉她。
When she got there, the police officer wouldn't tell her anything.
最后，有个记者隔着院子大喊，说她已经死了。
Finally, reporter screamed across the yard to her that she was dead.
有人朝她头部开枪了。
Somebody shot her in the head.
她就是这么得知的。
That's how she found out.
这根本不该是这样的。
That's not how that's supposed to happen.
没错。
No.
是的。
Yeah.
这种失去，直到今天，摩根的家人还是难以接受。
It is the kind of loss that to this day is hard for Morgan's family to accept.
这种痛，永远不会消失，对吧？
Doesn't go away, does it?
这种事你只在电视里见过，从没想到会发生在自己身上。
It's like something that you only see on TV that never happens, you know, to you.
对现场的调查人员来说，摩根遇害的时间点渐渐清晰了。
To investigators at the scene, the time of Morgan's murder was starting to become clear.
她凌晨一点半左右还跟母亲说过话。
She talked to her mother at about 01:30 in the morning.
她凌晨两点二十分就得上班，所以这大概是在两点左右。
She had to be at work at 02:30, so this was around 2AM.
对。
Right.
所以她平时通常是两点出发去上班，
So 2AM when she would normally leave for
上班。
work.
没错。
Correct.
要弄清楚她为什么被杀，就要复杂得多。
Answering the question of why she was killed was going to be a lot more complicated.
她身上有什么东西被偷了吗？
Anything of her stolen?
我们查了一圈，
When we looked through,
车里扶手箱里放着钱，她的包还挂在脖子上，看起来没被偷走任何东西。
there was money laying in the console of the vehicle, and her purse was draped around her neck, so it didn't appear that anything was stolen.
不是抢劫，那就说明有人非杀摩根·福克斯不可。
Not a robbery, which meant someone wanted Morgan Fox dead and badly.
现在的问题是，谁会这么做？
The question now was who?
没人想得出谁会对她下这样的毒手。
Nobody could think of any person that would have reason to do this to her.
她来找我的时候，一直在哭。
When she came to me, she was crying.
侦探们后来发现了许多可能的嫌疑人。
Detectives would uncover many potential suspects.
你开枪杀了摩根？
You didn't shoot Morgan?
没有。
No.
绝对没有。
Absolutely not.
你爱过她吗？
Did you love her?
你想要她吗？
Did you want her?
我们之间没有任何亲密关系。
There was nothing intimate.
明白了。
Okay.
我们之间没有任何性关系。
There was nothing sexual.
你有没有想过，这件事也可能发生在你身上？
You think to yourself that could have been me?
有。
Yes.
我觉得这正是那句‘我得不到，别人也别想得到’的真实写照。
I think it is a true definition of if I can't have her, nobody can.
你杀了摩根·福克斯吗？
Did you kill Morgan Fox?
那年十月的一个早晨，摩根·福克斯的继妹科拉·斯通洛克刚把一锅烤肉放进慢炖锅，她另一个妹妹突然尖叫起来。
Morgan Fox's stepsister, Cora Stonerock, had just put a roast in the crock pot that October morning when one of her other sisters let out a scream.
我当时就在想，出什么事了？
I'm thinking what could be wrong?
于是我下楼一看，她脸色惨白，说：‘她死了。’
So I go downstairs and she is completely ghost white and she says, she's dead.
我问：‘谁？’
And I'm like, Who?
谁死了？
Who's dead?
她回答：‘摩根。'
And she's like, Morgan.
我问她，哪个摩根？
And I'm like, Morgan who?
我当时根本没法相信，咱们的妹妹怎么可能死了。
Like, because in my mind, there's no way that, like, our sister is dead.
我记得冲她大喊，怎么死的？
And I remember screaming at her, like, how?
你到底在说什么？
Like, what what are you talking about?
你为什么这么说？
Why are you saying that?
科拉听到这些话，完全摸不着头脑。
Hearing that made little sense to Cora.
那时候就听不懂。
Didn't then.
现在还是听不懂。
Doesn't now.
我实在没法接受，摩根的故事就这么结束了。
I just cannot wrap my my head around the fact that that's really how Morgan's story ends.
我真的搞不懂。
Like, I I just don't get it.
我就是不明白。
I don't get it.
这么纯净的人，怎么就突然没了呢。
How somebody's so pure is just gone.
科拉和摩根认识的时候，都才七岁左右。
Cora and Morgan met when they were both about seven years old.
摩根的妈妈辛迪嫁给了科拉的爸爸，两个女孩一下子成了姐妹，组成了一个十二口人的大家庭。
Morgan's mom, Cindy, married Cora's dad, and the two girls were suddenly siblings blended together in a new family of 12 kids.
这种事吧，结果无非两种。
I mean, that can go one of two ways.
对吧？
Right?
你突然就被丢进一个房子，跟一个跟你同龄的女孩住一起，当时你就想，哦，这人是谁啊？
You can suddenly be put in this house with this other girl your age, and you're like Yeah.
你想想，这人到底是谁？
You know, who are you?
或者你们也能成为特别要好的朋友，而你们确实成了特别要好的朋友。
Or you can become great friends, and you became great friends.
是的。
Yeah.
当然了。
Absolutely.
我记得第一次见到她，立马就觉得，这人就是我新认的死党，而且更棒的是，她能跟我住在一起，天天陪着我。
I remember literally meeting her and thinking, like, just made my new best friend, and this is a friend that I get to live with, stay with.
她不用回自己家。
She doesn't have to go home.
我们还能互相借衣服穿。
We get to share clothes.
我们不用还任何东西。
We don't have to return anything.
她一直都在我身边。
She's just here with me all the time.
科拉说摩根特别有趣，总能惹上麻烦。
Cora says Morgan was fun and had a knack for getting them both into trouble.
我听说你们有一次往别人家扔过厕纸。
I heard you TP'd a house once.
对。
Yes.
我们确实往一栋房子扔过厕纸。
We have toilet papered a house.
摩根觉得，按响门铃把他们吵醒，让他们亲眼看看我们的厕纸作品，这主意太棒了。
Morgan thought it was a great idea to ring the doorbell and wake them up so that they could see our lovely teepee job.
她待人也特别真诚善良，尤其是对那些需要帮助的人。
And she was also unflinchingly kind, especially to those who needed a helping hand.
我们带回家的动物可真不少，每次带它们回来都惹上一堆麻烦，你懂的。
The amount of animals that we brought home, the amount of trouble we got in on bringing said animals home, you know.
她一点都不在意吗？
She didn't care?
一点都不在意。
No, not at all.
完全不在乎。
Not at all.
我记得我们当时一心想着成立一个帮助动物的非营利组织。
I remember we were set on starting a nonprofit to help animals.
帮助那些翅膀受伤的
To help broken winged
鸟。
birds.
对。
Yes.
我们打算把全世界的动物都收留下来，救每一个人，给每个动物一个家。
We were gonna have all the animals in the world, and we were just gonna save everybody and give everybody a home.
如果她看到有人受委屈，她一定会站出来替他们说话。
And if she saw someone being wronged, she would stand up for it.
如果她觉得自己被亏待了，她也会直接说出来。
And if she thought she was being wronged, she would say something.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
摩根特别爱表达。
Morgan was very loud.
她想到什么就说什么，从不藏着掖着。
You know, she said something she didn't hold back on.
那就是她的为人准则。
That was that was her beliefs.
她要是认准了的事，就一定会坚持到底，而且一定会让你知道她的态度。
If she stand on it, she stood on it, and she was gonna let you know about it.
摩根成长得很快，二十岁就怀孕了。
Morgan grew up quickly, pregnant at 20.
她生了个女儿，叫埃米莉亚，大家都叫她艾米。
She had a daughter, Emilia, Emmy for short.
摩根独自一人把女儿带大。
Morgan raised her as a single parent.
当她拿到联邦快递的一份初级包装员工作时，这对一位单亲妈妈来说真是个好消息。
When she landed an entry level job as a package handler at FedEx, that was good news for a working mom.
在联邦快递工作，对摩根来说，比她之前做的任何事都强多了。
And working at FedEx was a big step up from what Morgan had been doing before.
是的。
Yes.
因为她之前做过不少服务员的工作，所以这份工作对她来说是个机会，能让自己和女儿的生活变得更好。
Because she had had a lot of server jobs, so this was something that she seen as an opportunity to better herself and her life for her and her daughter.
在联邦快递的仓库里，摩根很快就给人留下了深刻印象。
Inside the FedEx facility, Morgan quickly made an impression.
不到两年，她就被提拔为经理。
Within two years, she was promoted to manager.
她的同事米歇尔·汉娜非常认可摩根的能力。
Her coworker, Michelle Hannah, saw Morgan's value.
她从不直接指使别人做事。
She didn't tell someone what to do.
她会亲自上货车搬包裹，手把手教其他搬运工怎么干。
She would get into trucks and move packages, showing other package handlers how to actually do it.
这正是公司最想招揽和留住的员工类型。
Feels like exactly the kind of employee you want to hire and retain.
没错。
Absolutely.
摩根曾经帮米基·沃特金斯度过了一次生理期的尴尬危机，之后米基就管她叫‘玛丽·波平斯’。
Mickey Watkins started calling her Mary Poppins after Morgan helped her through a feminine hygiene crisis.
她问我，你怎么了？
She was like, what's wrong?
发生什么事了？
Like, what happened?
我就说，我没带卫生巾。
And I was like, I have no pads.
什么都没有。
Nothing.
她让我找人替一下班，然后拎起一个小背包，直接把整条胳膊伸了进去。
And she goes, get somebody to cover my line, grabs this little backpack, and shoved her whole arm in.
她给了你什么？
What'd she give you?
她给了我一片卫生巾，还塞给我一小包芝士脆饼和一块士力架，然后问我，你需要一瓶运动饮料吗？这样你才能补充水分，继续工作。
She gave me a pad, and she handed me a little small bag of Cheez Its and a Hershey's bar, and then said, do you need a Powerade so that you can get back to work and be hydrated?
这真是个好上司，也是个好朋友。
That's a great manager and a good friend.
她真的特别棒。
She was exceptional.
联邦快递也是摩根认识那个打911电话的人——杰森·斯卡纳基亚的地方。
FedEx is also where Morgan met the man who made that 911 call, Jason Skarnackia.
杰森退伍后独自带孩子，和摩根一样。
Jason came out of the military and was a single parent, just like Morgan.
我记得她说，她在工作中认识了一个男生，人特别温柔、特别善良，而且他还有个女儿。
I remember her saying that she met a guy at work and that he was super sweet and super kind and that he but he had a daughter.
我当时就想，你肯定也会是个好继母。
And I remember thinking, like, I know that you would be a good person for his kid too.
一开始，他们把这段关系保密着。
At first, they kept their relationship quiet.
后来关系公开了，他们觉得最好有一个人离开联邦快递。
When it became public, they decided it was best for one of them to leave FedEx.
两人都清楚自己想和对方在一起，所以商量好，由杰森去找新工作。
Both of them knew that they wanted to be together, so, they agreed that Jason would get another job.
2020年7月，他们一起搬进了那栋房子，摩根开始憧憬起未来。
In July 2020, they moved into that house together, and Morgan started to dream about a future.
她真的很想扩大自己的家庭，你知道的。
She really wanted to expand her family, you know.
她想买房、结婚，再要几个孩子。
She wanted to own a house, get married, have more kids.
她特别渴望那样的生活。
She longed for that.
搬进去才三个月，摩根·福克斯就在自家车道上被枪杀。
Only three months after moving in, Morgan Fox was shot dead in her driveway.
调查人员在她车门上发现了一颗.22口径的子弹，还注意到了别的东西。
Investigators found a 22 caliber bullet lodged in her car door, and they noticed something else.
我往那边一看，地上有新留下的轮胎印，因为刚下过雨，地面还软着呢。
When I look over here, there's actually a fresh set of tire tracks that had left indentations in the ground because it had been raining.
围栏侧面溅得到处都是新鲜的泥点。
Fresh mud had been flung all over the side of the fence.
怎么可能？
As if?
像是有人急着倒车，还打滑了。
As if someone had pulled out in a hurry and spun out.
所以你觉得是凶手逃跑时留下的？
So you're thinking that's your killer making a getaway?
没错。
Correct.
调查人员还采访了邻居，令人惊讶的是，他们都没在凌晨两点看到或听到任何异常。
Investigators also talked with the neighbors who surprisingly had not seen or heard anything at 2AM.
那时候这儿肯定安静得连针掉地上都听得见。
It's gotta be dead quiet here at that hour.
这 neighborhood 非常安静。
It's a very quiet neighborhood.
天黑，路灯也不多。
It's dark, not a lot of street lights.
没人听到枪声？
Nobody hears a gunshot?
对。
Correct.
包括就在这儿的你男朋友。
Including your boyfriend who's right here.
是的。
Yes.
或者至少他是这么说的。
Or at least that's what he says.
他什么都没听到。
He doesn't hear anything.
他就是这么跟我们说的。
That's what he told us.
可以肯定，这不会是关于杰森·斯卡尼克亚的最后一个让人惊讶的事。
It's safe to say that wouldn't be the last eyebrow raising thing about Jason Skarnickia.
你做的那些事，明显跟正常人不一样。
There's very distinct things that you're doing that are not normal.
他们对你家人做的事，你能活下来真是幸运。
What they did to your family, you're lucky to make it out alive.
在Peacock平台播出。
Streaming on Peacock.
这些人一定会来找我麻烦。
These men are going to come after me.
除掉他们，是我唯一的出路。
Taking them out is my only chance.
对准自己的头开一枪。
Put a bullet in your head.
由《绝命毒师》的联合创作者打造。
From the cocreator of Ozark.
看起来像是一家人在贩毒。
Looks like a family was running drugs.
典型的处决手法，下手毫不留情。
Execution style, killing it.
这种情况很少见。
Rare
为了那批钥匙。
for the keys.
有没有线索能查出他们背后是谁在指使？
Any leads on who they might have been running for?
贩毒集团杀了我的家人。
The cartel killed my family.
我要亲手了结他们。
I'm gonna kill them.
一个都不放过。
All of them.
《失踪人口》现在仅在Peacock平台播出。
MIA streaming now only on Peacock.
嘿，各位。
Hey, guys.
我是威利·盖斯特，提醒大家别忘了收听《周日座谈》播客。
Willie Geist here reminding you to check out the Sunday Sit Down podcast.
这期节目里，我采访了两届奥斯卡得主莎莉·菲尔德，聊了聊她从《诺玛·蕾》《林肯》到最新这部改编自畅销书的电影的演艺生涯。
On this week's episode, I get together with two time Oscar winner, Sally Field, to talk about a career that has spanned Norma Ray, Lincoln, and now her latest movie based on a big best selling book.
你现在就可以免费在任何播客平台收听我们的对话。
You can get our conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts.
如果真有一本教人如何应对女友被谋杀的指南，杰森·斯卡尼克亚显然没照着做。
If there's a handbook for how you're supposed to act when your girlfriend is murdered, Jason Skarnickia did not follow it.
我们采访杰森的时候，他表现得并不特别难过。
When we spoke with Jason, he wasn't super upset.
他完全没有表现出歇斯底里或者类似的情绪。
He didn't exhibit signs of being, hysterical or anything like that.
他在那通911报警电话里的语气也很平静。
And he sounds pretty calm on that 911 call.
他在911电话里也很冷静。
He he was pretty calm on the 911 call.
她头上在流血？
She's bleeding from her head?
看起来是这样。
It looks like it.
对。
Yeah.
但我们一直记得，每个人应对压力的方式都不一样。
But we kinda kept in mind people handle stress differently.
他缺乏情绪反应，这还不是让调查人员最在意的地方。
His lack of emotion was not the only thing that caught investigators' attention.
当我们让他去警局接受询问时，他说想先去拿双袜子。
When we wanted him to come to the Sheriff's Office for an interview, he said that he wanted to get a pair of socks.
当时为了保护现场，我们告诉他不能随便回屋里去，我们会帮他把袜子取出来。
And at that point in time for scene preservation, we told him we couldn't just allow him to go through the residence, that we would retrieve them for him.
他决定不穿袜子去警局。
And he decided not to wear any socks to the sheriff's office.
这说明他不想让你翻看他的卧室。
Suggesting he doesn't want you looking through his bedroom.
没错。
Correct.
这肯定让你立刻警觉起来。
Well, that must have made you sit up a little taller.
这是我们第一个可疑的迹象。
That's our first red flag.
杰森，我叫克雷格·肯尼迪。
Jason, my name is Craig Kennedy.
一小时内，没穿袜子的杰森就坐在警局里，和肯尼迪侦探面对面了。
Within an hour, a sockless Jason was sitting face to face with detective Kennedy at the sheriff's office.
你们交往多久了？
How long have you guys been dating?
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How long have you
在一起多久了？
lived together?
我们从八月开始交往的。
I've been dating since August.
在那次采访里，他表现得怎么样？
And how does he seem in that interview?
在审讯过程中，他表现得比较镇定。
In the interview, he was relatively calm.
杰森向调查人员详细说明了过去十二个小时里发生的事情。
Jason walked the investigator through the previous twelve hours.
他说他和摩根在家里吃了晚饭。
He said he and Morgan had dinner at home.
然后摩根把女儿送到她妈妈辛迪家，摩根有时候因为工作要早起，女儿就会在那儿过夜。
Then Morgan dropped off her daughter at her mom, Cindy's house, where she sometimes slept when Morgan had to get up early for work.
那她回到家之后，接下来发生了什么？
So once she comes back home, what what happens?
我当时在卧室，她说：嘿，我得用一下你的笔记本电脑。
I was in the bedroom, she goes, Hey, I need to use your laptop.
她一边发邮件一边说：我需要个苹果。
She's typing her email, I need an Apple.
我就说：行吧，我要去睡觉了。
And I said, Hey, all right, I'm going to bed.
她回我说：好，我很快就回来。
She goes, Okay, I'll be home soon.
杰森说他睡着了，摩根凌晨一点半起床时，他只是半醒着。
Jason said he went to sleep and was only half conscious when Morgan got out of bed around 01:30AM.
她说：我去送她上班。
She goes, I'm getting her to work.
我说：哦，好的。
I said, oh, okay.
没错。
That's right.
然后我就去睡了。
And then I went to sleep.
杰森说，他没有听到枪声，而那枪声正是导致他女友死亡的原因。
Jason said he did not hear the gunfire that killed his girlfriend.
你睡觉时戴耳塞吗？类似的东西？
Do you sleep with ear plugs in, anything like that?
你们睡觉时会开风扇吗？类似的情况？
Do you guys sleep with the fan on, anything like that?
没有。
No.
你昨晚真没听到任何枪声？
You never heard any gunshots last night?
我没听到。
I didn't.
杰森说他大约五点醒过来，一开始没觉得有什么不对劲。
Jason said he woke up about five and at first did not notice anything unusual.
然后他往窗外看了一眼，发现摩根的车还停在车道上。
Then he glanced out the window and saw Morgan's car still in the driveway.
我说，好吧。
I said, okay.
这真有点奇怪。
That's really weird.
于是我去了她的房间，穿上衣服，拿了手电筒就出去了。
So I went to her room, put on some clothes, tried to flashlight and went out there.
就是那时候，他说找到了她。
That's when he said he found her.
我轻轻摇了摇她。
I was like, kinda shook her
晃了晃她的头。
head a little bit.
我说：摩根。
I said, Morgan.
摩根，摩根，我问他：你醒着吗？
Morgan, Morgan, he's like, you awake?
摩根，摩根，摩根。
Morgan, Morgan, Morgan.
我一边摇她，
I was shaking her a
轻轻晃了晃，摸了摸她的脉搏，又检查了手腕。
little bit, checked her pulse, checked her wrist.
没摸到脉搏。
Couldn't find a pulse.
她身体冰凉。
And she was really cold.
我跑进屋，冲进卧室拿了手机，又跑出去拨了911。
Ran inside, went to my bedroom, grabbed my phone, went outside and called 911.
你和摩根的关系怎么样？
Is your relationship good with Morgan?
非常好。
Absolutely.
一点问题都没有？
No issues whatsoever?
我们相处得挺好的。
We're fine.
家里人多，所以难免有些摩擦。
We're plenty of family, so kind of There were challenges.
调查人员跟摩根的母亲谈过，她说她们母女俩最近关系有点紧张。
-Investigators did talk to Morgan's mom, who indicated that they were having some struggles in their relationship.
你妈妈对这段关系的描述，跟男朋友说的不太一样。
-Your mom paints a little less rosy picture of that relationship than the boyfriend does.
没错。
-Correct.
你们俩有没有动过手？
Did you guys ever get physical with each other?
一点肢体暴力都没发生过？
No physical violence at all?
没有。
No.
不过，摩根手机里的一条短信显示，情况并非如此。
Well, a text on Morgan's phone suggested that wasn't true.
就在两周前，摩根在一次争吵中确实对他动了手。
Morgan had gotten physical with him during a fight just two weeks earlier.
有一条短信提到，杰森说他永远无法原谅摩根所做的事情。
There was one text message that was in there, where Jason indicated that he would never forgive Morgan, for what she did.
而他之所以这么生气，是因为摩根当时推了他一下，或者拍了他一下。
And ultimately, that was because, she had either, like, pushed or swatted at him.
尽管杰森主动交出了手机，但当肯尼迪警探要求查看时，他还是犹豫了。
And even though Jason handed over his phone willingly, he hesitated when detective Kennedy asked to access it.
你的手机有密码吗？
Do you have a passcode on your phone?
有。
I do.
你有。
You do.
密码是多少？
What's that passcode?
我非得告诉你密码吗？
Do I have to give you my passcode?
这次访谈对杰森来说不太顺利。
This interview wasn't going well for Jason.
肯尼迪警探直接说出了他心里的想法。
Detective Kennedy told him exactly what he was thinking.
你刚才那些行为明显很不正常。
There's very distinct things that you're doing that are not normal.
明白了。
Okay.
是吗？
Okay?
我们把这些称为警示信号。
We call them red flags.
他问杰森为什么一直不愿意让调查人员查看他的卧室。
He asked why Jason had been so reluctant to let investigators look through his bedroom.
在我那个软抽屉上面的抽屉里，有点大麻。
In the drawer above my soft drawer, I have a little bit of marijuana.
明白了。
Okay.
总的来说，杰森，你觉得我会在乎你有点大麻吗？
In the grand scheme of things, Jason, do you think I give two about a little bit
我自己的时间？
of time I want?
我就这么放弃了。
It's just like I give up.
对。
Yeah.
我没有。
I don't.
第二个问题，你手机里有什么东西是
So second question, what do you have on your phone that you're
一点都不有趣的。
not real fun?
我手机里没有任何跟人有关的东西。
I have nothing human.
我不是在问这个。
I don't I just asking.
明白了。
Okay.
通常情况下，当你深爱的女友遭遇凶杀时，你的第一反应会是什么？
Because the typical reaction during a homicide when your girlfriend, who you're in love with, I presume, is what do you need?
不管付出什么代价。
Whatever it takes.
没错。
Right.
你明白我的意思吧？
You know what I'm saying?
我懂。
I understand.
你没开枪，摩根？
You didn't shoot, Morgan?
没有。
No.
绝对没有。
Absolutely not.
如果你真做了，会告诉我吗？
Would you tell me if you did?
会的。
Yes.
我要是没做，早就告诉你了。
Would tell you if I didn't.
录音结束后，肯尼迪说，杰森崩溃了。
After the recording ended, Kennedy says, Jason broke down.
采访结束时，他确实流露出一些情绪，这在那种受惊、一切突然压过来的人身上很常见。
At the end of the interview, he did exhibit some emotions, which we would expect from someone, that's kinda in shock and after everything finally hits them.
那他是在说真话吗？
So was he telling the truth?
摩根的家人相信他说的是真的。
Morgan's family believed he was.
我觉得，男朋友因为嫉妒而这样想，其实很正常。
I think that it's normal to think that, like, boyfriend, you know, jealousy.
关系里出了什么问题吗？
Something goes wrong in the relationship?
是的。
Yeah.
当然了。
Absolutely.
你有没有怀疑过杰森？
Do you ever wonder about Jason?
我从来没觉得会是杰森·斯卡德奇亚。
I never thought it was really Jason Skardecchia.
他太在乎摩根了。
He cared too much about Morgan.
家人看到的杰森，完全崩溃了。
The Jason the family saw was devastated.
摩根的母亲引导调查人员转向了新的方向。
Morgan's mom pointed sheriff's investigators in a new direction.
悉尼开口第一句话就是去联邦快递。
The first thing out of Sydney's mouth was go to FedEx.
这事就是通过联邦快递发生的。
FedEx is how this happened.
据调查人员了解，摩根·福克斯是个没有仇家的女人。
As far as investigators could tell, Morgan Fox was a woman with no enemies.
investigators 本来找不到任何线索，但根据她妈妈的说法，或许有一个地方值得查。
There was no obvious place to begin the search for her killer, except according to her mom, maybe one.
悉尼开口第一句话就是去联邦快递。
The first thing out of Sydney's mouth was go to FedEx.
这事就是通过联邦快递发生的。
FedEx is how this happened.
联邦快递，就是摩根一直盼着拿到的那份工作。
FedEx, the job Morgan had been so excited to land.
家人说，她在分拣中心干了几年，一直挺开心的。
Her family says she had been happy working at the sorting facility for a couple of years.
然后一切都变了。
Then everything changed.
有些同事对摩根升任经理不太高兴。
Some of her colleagues didn't like it when Morgan was promoted to manager.
我觉得这让她成了众矢之的，而且她还那么年轻。
I think it just put a big target on her back, and she was young.
我觉得这惹恼了他们，让几个人心里很不痛快。
And I think that it just rubbed them the wrong way and kinda made a few people upset.
不止一个人。
It wasn't just one person.
有几个人
It was a couple of people that
心里很不痛快。
were rubbed the wrong way.
对。
Yeah.
因为一个年轻又漂亮的女娃，突然就当上了领导。
Because this, what, young attractive woman was suddenly in charge.
对。
Yeah.
侦探肯尼迪发现，摩根的工作场所很快就变成了她最不自在的地方。
Detective Kennedy discovered Morgan's workplace had very quickly become the place where she was least comfortable.
她最近和一些男同事关系紧张，觉得他们对她不公平，还骚扰她。
She had recently been having some problems with other coworkers, male coworkers, that she felt she was being treated unfairly and harassed by.
具体是怎样的行为？
What kind of behavior are we talking about?
他们好像总爱捉弄她，比如挪她的椅子、藏她的东西，还有从她桌上拿走文件夹。
It appeared that they were playing jokes on her by moving her chair, hiding items, and taking clipboards from her desk.
摩根的同事米歇尔说，这个仓库对女性来说根本不是个舒服的工作环境。
Morgan's coworker, Michelle, says the warehouse wasn't exactly a comfortable place for women to work.
我的意思是，这毕竟是个仓库，一走进去，作为女性，我感觉自己特别渺小，周围人还老盯着你看，说不定嘴里还嘀嘀咕咕。
I mean, it's a warehouse, so you walk into a big building and you feel like as a female, I felt small walking around and then people staring and maybe making comments.
我知道摩根经历过这些，因为她亲口告诉我，有人从她身边走过时会议论她，或者盯着她看。
So I know that Morgan experienced that because she actually told me, you know, that people were making comments as she walked by or staring at her.
联邦快递的工作氛围整体是什么样的？
What picture emerged of the culture at FedEx?
在整个调查过程中，我们发现当时在那个仓库里，骚扰行为非常普遍，尤其是男性同事对女性同事。
Throughout our investigation, it actually appeared that harassment at that point in time in that facility was a common practice, especially from male coworkers towards women coworkers.
就像兄弟会那样吗？
So it like a frat house?
是的。
Yes.
没错。
Correct.
你知道那些男同事因为摩根升职当了经理而心生嫉妒吗？
Were you aware that men who worked there were jealous that Morgan had gotten that promotion to manager?
我知道这事。
Oh, knew that.
有不少人明里暗里表达过，他们根本不服她当这个经理。
There was quite a few people that made it verbally known that they did not like the fact that she was in that position.
有个经理还说，她能当上经理，纯粹是因为长得好看。
The one manager, he said she only got it because she was pretty.
当时就只能回一句：好吧。
Was like, okay.
在摩根遇害前三周，她似乎已经到了崩溃的边缘。
Three weeks before Morgan was killed, she had apparently reached a breaking point.
有位同事拿走了她的私人手机。
One of her coworkers took her personal cell phone.
但她不知道是谁干的。
She didn't know who.
她到处找手机的时候，有人告诉她，是一群男生轮流拿着手机，玩起了捉迷藏。
After she was looking around for her phone, it was just told to her that a group of guys had the phone, kinda like phone tag.
就说：手机不在我这儿。
Like, I don't have it.
是他们拿的。
They have it.
我没拿。
I don't have it.
是他们拿的。
They have it.
她最终在一位她认为是朋友的同事手里找到了手机，而且手机是解锁的。
She finally found her phone in the hands of a coworker she considered a friend, and it was unlocked.
摩根一眼就看出有人翻过她的手机。
Morgan could tell someone had gone through it.
她泪流满面地去找米歇尔。
In tears, she went to Michelle.
手机里有什么让她这么担心？
What was on the phone that made her so concerned?
她说他们翻看了她的私人手机和私密照片。
She had said that they had looked at her personal phone and and private pictures.
对。
Right.
她觉得自己的隐私被严重侵犯了。
And she felt violated by that.
她确实感到被侵犯了。
She definitely felt violated.
摩根告诉米歇尔，她已经向管理层投诉过，但快两周过去了，却没得到任何回应。
Morgan told Michelle she had complained to management, but almost two weeks had gone by and she hadn't heard a response.
摩根听到的消息却是，她违反了联邦快递的着装规定。
What Morgan did hear was that she had violated the FedEx dress code.
公司给了她一份着装规范，明确告诉她应该穿卡其裤，而不是紧身裤。
She was given a form of the dress code so that she could be told she should be wearing khakis instead of leggings.
我觉得太离谱了，她只是在寻求一个说法，结果反而被训斥。
And it seemed disgusting to me that she's asking for some resolution, and she's instead getting reprimanded.
她为自己辩护，指出着装规范里也禁止戴棒球帽，可所有男经理都戴着帽子。
She stuck up for herself, and she said the dress code policy also says no ball caps, and all of the male managers wear hats.
所以这个着装规定只针对女性，却不约束男性？
So that dress code was enforced for women but not for men?
好像是这样。
Apparently.
米歇尔是一名行政人员，平时也会给员工提供一些职场问题的建议。
Michelle was an administrator who sometimes advised employees on workplace issues.
她已经听够了。
She had heard enough.
她代表摩根给联邦快递的外部人力资源部门发了一封邮件。
On Morgan's behalf, she sent an email to FedEx's off-site human resources department.
我说明了关于手机的事，以及他们根本没采取任何行动。
I explained about the phone, how nothing had been done.
我还提到了着装规定的事，说她不能穿紧身裤，
I explained, the dress code incident where she's not to wear leggings and
后来有什么结果吗？
Anything come of that?
没有。
No.
没有。
No.
她每天都问我，有没有听到什么消息？
And she would ask me day to day, have you heard anything?
摩根会问你。
Morgan would ask you.
我说，有啊。
And I yeah.
我问她，你听到什么了吗？
And I said, have you heard anything?
她也没听到任何消息。
And she didn't hear anything either.
正如我们所知，摩根·福克斯可不是那种轻易退缩的人。
As we know, Morgan Fox was not one to back down.
她最后一次和米歇尔谈完后，自己给人力资源部发了封邮件。
She wrote her own email to HR after talking with Michelle one last time.
那天晚上我们通了电话，我说，我觉得你应该亲自跟人力资源部说，而不是让我代你发邮件。
We had talked on the phone, that evening, and I said, I think that HR needs to hear from you personally instead of getting the email from me.
摩根在晚上11点左右点了发送。
Morgan hit send around 11PM.
第二天早上7点50分，人力资源部回复说想和她谈谈。
At 07:50AM the next day, HR responded asking to talk.
但那时候，摩根·福克斯已经在自家车道上遇害了。
Except by that time, Morgan Fox had been murdered in her driveway.
你当时怀疑是联邦快递的人干的吗？
Were you thinking it was someone from FedEx?
我在想，到底会是谁干的呢？
I'm thinking, well, who would have done that?
我当时就在想，会有人为了这个要了她的命吗？
I was like, did would somebody have taken her life?
有人会因为她的投诉气成这样，真下得了手吗？
Like, would somebody get that upset over her complaint and really do that?
调查人员也在想同样的问题。
Investigators were wondering the exact same thing.
突然间，他们得去跟一仓库的人谈话。
And suddenly, they had a warehouse full of people to talk with.
我得问你一个很直接的问题。
So I'm gonna ask you a very direct question.
你是不是在房子后面开枪打死了她？
Did you shoot her in the back of the house?
摩根遇害后，她的姑姑克里斯赶到了康顿。
After Morgan's murder, her aunt Chris arrived in Canton.
摩根的母亲辛迪正在前院等她。
Morgan's mom, Cindy, was waiting for her in the front yard.
我一下车，她就整个人垮了，开始哭——辛迪从来都不哭的。
When I get there and I get out of the car and she just crumbles and starts crying, Cindy never cried.
那真的很难受。
So it was really hard.
科拉也开车来了，想让自己做好心理准备。
Cora drove in too, trying to prepare herself for what was coming.
我以前从来没失去过除了祖父母以外的人。
I've never lost anybody besides grandparents.
所以我也觉得，我必须坚强起来。
So I also, you know, was like, I have to be strong.
我得撑住，不能垮掉。
I'm gonna keep keep it together.
当她带摩根的女儿去家里拿衣服时，她没能做到这一点。
She failed to do that when she took Morgan's daughter to the house to pick up some clothes.
摩根为上班准备的午餐，还躺在人行道上。
The lunch Morgan had packed for work was still lying there on the pavement.
我记得开车到那栋房子时，看到水瓶和派还在车道上，心里清楚，就在三十六个小时前，摩根还活着，就站在那个地方，把东西放下，然后被人枪杀——这个画面，我睡觉时都会看见。
And I remember pulling up to the house and seeing the water bottle and the potpie still in the driveway and knowing that, you know, thirty six hours ago, Morgan was still alive and standing right in that same spot and dropping those items because she was shot dead is something that I literally see in my sleep.
这件事一直缠着我，我真受不了。
It is something that sticks with me forever, and I hate it.
在警长办公室，调查人员把焦点转向了联邦快递的员工，而摩根曾经是其中一员。
At the sheriff's office, investigators now focused on the FedEx workforce, of which Morgan had been part.
她在向人力资源部门提交的投诉中，点名了几个同事。
In her complaint to human resources, she had named several coworkers.
其中一人就是摩根发现拿着她手机的那个人——杰森·麦克德莫特。
One of them was the guy Morgan found holding her phone, Jason McDermott.
我们刚开始调查杰森·麦克德莫特的时候，做了些社交媒体搜索，发现他的头像是他和一只猫的合影。
When we first started looking at Jason McDermott, we did some social media searches, and we observed his profile picture was him posing with a cat.
我们俩对视了一眼，心想：这人肯定不是凶手。
We looked at each other, and we were like, this isn't our guy.
单身男人养猫，不可能去杀人。
Single guys with Single men with cats don't commit murder.
不管他是不是爱猫人士，我们都得查清楚。
Cat lover or not, they had to look into him.
杰森·麦克德莫特和米基·沃特金斯也是好朋友。
Jason McDermott was also buddies with Mickey Watkins.
他帮她熟悉了这份工作。
He'd helped her get the hang of the job.
你们是怎么成为这么要好的朋友的？
What made you guys close friends?
杰森是个特别棒的培训师。
Jason was a really good trainer.
他懂得怎么提供帮助，让你一整天都能保持状态。
He knew how to be helpful and keep you going pretty much throughout the day.
而且他和我的兴趣很投缘。
And he had the same interests as me.
我不是游戏玩家，但我儿子是。
I wasn't a gamer, but my son was.
所以他能跟我聊游戏，这让我当妈的更懂孩子，也更酷了。
So he could tell me stuff about video games, and that made me a better, cooler mom to my son.
DJ，什么的。
DJ, something.
等一下。
Hold on.
我们后来见了他，他特别安静，很平和，有点书呆子气。
We ended up meeting with him and he was very quiet, calm, almost nerdy.
我觉得他能帮上你。
I think he can help you.
好的。
Okay.
还挺有帮助的。
Kind of helpful.
他特别有帮助。
He was very helpful.
这位爱养猫的书呆子是怎么描述他和摩根的关系的？
How did this nerdy cat owner describe his relationship with Morgan?
他们是最好的朋友。
As best friends.
他说他们经常互相联系，我们通过他们之间的短信验证了这一点。
He said that they talked to each other quite often, which we verified through their text messages to one another.
你们在工作上相处得还行吗？
You guys get along good at work?
她在当经理之前，我们就已经是朋友了。
We were friends before she was the manager.
基本上，只要谁心情不好，我们就会找对方倾诉，聊聊这些事。
Basically, when one of us would sound like a bad day, probably we were the person that we would go to and like vent about that type of stuff.
明白了。
Okay.
她当时遇到了一些问题
She was having issues on
早班的时候，和很多人
the morning shift with a lot
很多人，所以她跟我抱怨这事。
of people, so she was venting to me about that.
我给你讲个几周前发生的事件。
So I'm gonna take you to an incident that happened a couple weeks ago.
就是那个手机事件。
This phone incident.
我知道你已经清楚来龙去脉了。
I know you already know what you're talking about.
嗯，
Well,
我们得谈谈。
we have to talk.
我知道。
I'm I'm aware.
杰森解释了当时的情况。
Jason explained what happened.
他说他不是第一个拿走她手机的人。
He said he wasn't the one who originally took her phone.
杰森说，他发现手机在一位同事手里，一看到手机没锁屏就生气了。
Jason said he found it in the hands of a coworker and got upset when he realized it was unlocked.
有些界面是打开的。
Some of the screens open.
我看到她的私人内容全敞着。
I saw her shit was open.
所以我立刻就非常不高兴。
So I was obviously unhappy about that right immediately.
然后，杰森没有直接把手机还给摩根，而是承认自己做了一件蠢事。
Then instead of just returning it to Morgan, Jason admitted he did something stupid.
我拿着手机回到工位时，情绪一下子失控了。
Upon taking it back up to my workstation, I my my emotions get better than me.
犯了个牙医的错误。
Made the dentist's mistake.
我就坐在那儿，心想，行吧。
I was sitting there like, alright.
我想知道他到底在看些什么。
I wanna know what the hell he was looking at.
对。
Mhmm.
于是我打开了她的手机，结果后悔了，我们翻看了她几个文件。
So I turned on her phone, and I regretted we looked through a few of her files.
我看到一张她穿着棕色内裤的照片，当时我就想，好吧。
I saw one where she was in her brown underwear, and I was like Okay.
一看到那个，我就赶紧关掉了，因为那根本不是我们之间的关系。
As soon as I saw that, I clicked out of it because, like, that that wasn't our relationship.
我慌了，赶紧关掉所有东西，把手机还给她，然后跟她说：嘿。
I panicked and closed everything on the phone, gave it back to her, and then I told her, hey.
我拿到的时候就是那样的。
I I found it like that.
后来，当他看到摩根那么难过，他说自己的良知终于压过了理智。
Later, when he saw how upset Morgan was, he says his conscience got the better of him.
我向她坦白了我做的事，她当然不高兴，但我也不能怪她。
I admitted to her what I did, she obviously wasn't happy about it, but I can't blame her for that either.
联邦快递的管理层确实找杰森谈过。
FedEx management did speak with Jason.
他们告诉他要尊重别人的隐私，如果再有下次就会被开除。
They told him to respect the privacy of others and that he would be fired if it happened again.
杰森试着道歉，但摩根就是没法释怀。
Jason tried to apologize, but Morgan wasn't getting over it.
她在社交媒体上拉黑了他。
She blocked him on social media.
你觉得他的说法可信吗？
His story believable?
是的。
Yeah.
他跟我们说的这些，听起来挺合理的。
His story to us did make sense.
不过，侦探还是进一步追问了他们之间的关系。
Still, the detective probed a little more into their relationship.
你有没有对她产生过恋爱方面的想法？
Did you ever want something romantically with her?
没有。
No.
真的没有？
You didn't?
没有。
No.
你现在有女朋友吗？
Do have a girlfriend?
目前没有。
Currently, no.
你也没有？
You don't?
没有。
No.
他确实说他心里另有人。
He did say he had his eyes on someone else.
确实有个男生，我最近
There's another guy that I'm
挺在意的。
interested in.
你最近在跟另一个女孩来往吧。
There's another girl that you've been talking to.
对我来说，就是米奇。
To me, it's Mickey.
你已经见过米奇了。
You've already met Mickey.
审讯时，杰森告诉警察，他对你有意思。
When he was being interrogated, Jason told police that he was interested in you.
你有没有感觉到这一点？
Do you ever get any sense of that?
我确实有这种感觉。
I did get sense of that.
我给他发了一条很长的消息，说我对这事儿没兴趣。
I actually sent him a long text message and told him I'm not interested in that.
后来侦探直接切入了重点。
Then the detective got to the point.
我问你个直接的问题。
So I'm gonna ask you a very direct question.
你是不是在房子后面开枪打的她？
Did you shoot her in the back of the house?
没有。
No.
你手里的那部手机，昨晚能证明你去过摩根家吗？
So your phone that you have, is that phone gonna show you at all at Morgan's house last night?
不能。
No.
真的没有？
It's not?
没有。
No.
你昨晚在哪儿？
Where were you last night?
在家。
At home.
他声称自己昨晚一直待在家里，一步都没出过门。
He stated that he was at home and he had never left home that evening.
而且他还要在凌晨两点三十左右起床去上班。
And he also had to get up for work at approximately 02:30 a.
M，然后他直接开车去了上班的地方。
M, and he drove straight to work.
他愿意把手机交给你吗？
Does he willingly give you his cell phone?
杰森确实主动把手机交给我们检查了。
Jason did willingly give us his cell phone to look through.
光是这一点，就已经说明很多问题了。
Which sort of by itself kind of says a lot.
没错。
Correct.
结果呢，他的不在场证明核实了。
And sure enough, his alibi checked out.
我们查了他的手机定位数据。
You checked his cell phone tracking data.
我们确实查了手机数据，显示他整晚都没离开过家。
We did check his cell phone data, and it showed that it never left his residence.
再没有什么比一个完美的不在场证明更能让你脱身了。
There's nothing like a good alibi to take you off the board.
与此同时，杰森心里大概有了个嫌疑人。
At the same time, Jason had a hunch as to who the killer might be.
你第一个想到的是谁？
Who was the first name that popped in your mind?
科林。
Colin.
他就是摩根觉得可能偷了她手机的那几个人之一。
He was one of the other guys Morgan thought might have swiped her phone.
为什么？
Why?
吃醋。
Jealousy.
科林想要她。
Colin wanted her.
明白了。
Okay.
确实如此。
Big time.
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From the front page to the zeitgeist.
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摩根·福克斯去世后，她曾经工作并取得成就的联邦快递网点，成了调查人员希望同样取得突破的地方。
In the aftermath of Morgan Fox's death, the FedEx facility where she had worked and succeeded became where investigators hoped to do the same.
突然间，你的工作场所
Suddenly, your workplace
变得天翻地覆。
Has turned upside down.
而且正处在一起谋杀案的调查中心。
And is in the middle of a murder investigation.
是的。
Yes.
那周还有人能安心工作吗？
Anybody getting any work done that week?
大家都被要求继续工作，但说实话，真的特别难受。
Everyone's expected to, but, no, it's it's really uncomfortable.
对我来说，我特别害怕。
For me, I was scared.
我担心自己会遭到报复。
I was afraid that maybe there would be retaliation against me.
就因为你帮了摩根？
Just because of you helping Morgan out?
就因为我了解当时发生的事。
Just because I had known what was going on.
除此之外，米歇尔还觉得上司因为她没多做点什么而生她的气。
On top of that, Michelle thought her bosses were angry at her for not doing more.
有三个人把我叫到会议室，一通盘问我到底知道些什么。
Three of them took me into, like, the conference room and started grilling me about what's going on.
我说，我真的不知道。
And I said, don't know.
我跟他们说了，从我的角度看，她来找我时，情绪很不好，
I told them the situation from my perspective of she came to me, she
当时
was
没人管她手机的事儿。
upset, nobody was doing anything about the situation with her phone.
我不知道后来发生了什么，但是
I don't know what's happened, but
但她已经去世了。
But she's dead.
但她已经去世了。
But she's dead.
我觉得他们在怪我，一直不停地问我问题。
And I felt that they were blaming me, that they kept questioning me.
我告诉他们，我已经找过人力资源了，可什么都没发生。
And I told them that I reached out to HR and nothing had happened.
那又怎样？
So what?
你干嘛把责任全推到我头上？
Why are you pointing the finger at me like it's my fault?
你对这件事有什么自己的想法吗？
You have any theory of your own about what had happened?
你觉得这事和联邦快递有关吗？
Did you think it was connected to FedEx?
是的。
Yeah.
我知道跟联邦快递有关系，但我也没排除其他可能性。
I knew there was a connection to FedEx, but I, my mind was open to many different people.
米奇·沃特金斯说，仓库里大家议论的都是一个名字。
Mickey Watkins says the warehouse gossip revolved around one name.
同事们都在猜凶手会是谁？
What were people at work saying about who the killer might be?
他们都觉得是科林干的。
They all thought it was Colin.
科林就是科林·麦考利，摩根的上司，也是她怀疑可能偷了她手机的那个人。
Colin is Colin McAuley, Morgan's manager, and one of the people she thought might have taken her phone.
米基说，他在公司里对摩根有好感，这根本不是什么秘密。
Mickey says it was not exactly a FedEx secret that he had a crush on Morgan.
她是个非常漂亮的女孩，有一头长长的金发。
She was a very pretty girl, long blonde hair.
要是搁在高中，她就是那种人人想追的啦啦队队长，人还特别好。
If we were back in high school, she was the head cheerleader that everybody wanted to get with, and she was kind on top of it.
所以他对她着了迷。
So he had it bad for her.
他特别想和她约会。
He really wanted to date her.
那个科林？
That was Colin?
是的。
Yes.
他试过，但根本没戏。
He tried, and it just was like, no.
我不想要那种事。
I don't I don't want that.
我有男朋友了。
I have a boyfriend.
杰森·麦克德莫特也向警方详细说了科林的事。
Jason McDermott also told the sheriff's office all about Collin.
我提到有人从背后开枪打她时，你第一个想到的是谁？
Who's the first name that popped in your mind when I said somebody shot her in the back of the head?
科林。
Collin.
为什么？
Why?
吃醋。
Jealousy.
很久以前，在她和杰森·斯卡尼克亚约会之前，
Way back when, before she started dating Jason Skarnickia, her
现在的
current
科林一直很想要她。
boyfriend, Colin wanted her
明白了。
Okay.
特别强烈。
Big time.
好的。
Okay.
从那以后，他一直因为杰森赢了而非常不爽。
And he's obviously ever since been very upset that Jason won.
为了增加猜测，Mickey说，在Morgan被杀后，有好几天没见到Colin。
Adding to the speculation, Mickey says she didn't see Colin for a couple of days after Morgan was killed.
后来，他突然又出现了。
At some point, he comes back in.
是的。
Yes.
但他变得不一样了。
But he's different.
确实不一样了。
Definitely different.
他回来的时候，看起来特别消沉。
He came back, and he looked depressed.
他总是戴着一顶雪帽，就是那种帽子。
And he always had his had, like, a snow cap on, like a hat.
然后还会把连帽衫的帽子盖在上面。
And then he'd have his hood up over it.
他谁也不搭理。
And he wasn't talking to anybody.
他完全不像平时那样了。
He wasn't doing what he normally did.
他就那副样子，好像在说：我在这儿。
He just looked, I'm here.
我就干活，别的什么都不管，说话也一点情绪都没有。
I'm just gonna work, that's it, and be monotone.
调查人员找科林谈了一次话。
Investigators sat down with Colin for an interview.
那次谈话没有录像。
It was not videotaped.
科林是摩根的直接上司。
Colin was Morgan's direct manager.
没错。
He was.
警探布莱恩·约翰逊协助了这次调查。
Detective Brian Johnson assisted with the investigation.
他也是她怀疑偷走手机的人之一。
Also one of the people she suspected of taking her phone.
没错。
Correct.
他是。
He was.
而且他曾经明显对她有很深的暗恋。
And he also pretty clearly at one time had a significant crush on her.
确实如此。
He did.
他和摩根之间的短信里也能看出来。
And that was clear in messages, between him and Morgan as well.
他在接受访谈时提到，一旦得知摩根要和杰森·斯卡尼克亚同居，而且是认真的，他就向她道歉，并决定不再追求她。
One thing he did tell us during his interview was that once he found out that Morgan was moving in with Jason Skarnickia and it was serious, that he apologized to her and wasn't going to try and pursue a relationship with her.
科林也否认拿过摩根的手机。
Colin also denied ever taking Morgan's phone.
科林确实告诉过她，手机放在了其中一台工作台上。
Colin did tell her that her phone was on one of the workstations.
他说，他只是把手机挪了一下地方。
He said, He moved it.
我就做了这么点事。
That's all I did.
他根本没翻过手机。
He never went through it.
我们从联邦快递那边也没拿到任何视频能证明他拿过手机或翻看内容。
There was no video to show him taking her phone or browsing through it that we got from FedEx.
科林的手机或短信里，有没有什么迹象表明他讲的和你们听到的不一样？
Anything in Collin's phone or text messages that made you think his story wasn't the same one you were being given?
关于科林，我们没发现任何能说明他参与此事的线索。
There was nothing surrounding Colin that would give us any indication that he was involved in this.
他和她之间的消息，主要是约着一起喝点东西，或者以朋友身份出去走走。
He had messages with her that consisted of maybe going out for drinks or going out as friends.
自从他知道了杰森·斯卡尼克亚的事之后，他们的对话就完全变成了工作内容。
Once he learned about Jason Skarnickia, that turned strictly to work related conversations.
所有这些都让科林·麦考利的嫌疑基本清除了。
All of that seemed to clear Colin McAuley.
还得再找另一位联邦快递的经理谈谈。
There was another FedEx manager to talk with.
我们偶尔会碰个头，喝点酒。
We would get together, have some drinks.
但我们之间根本不是在约会。
It wasn't like her and I were dating.
他对于被问及摩根的死讯感到非常不悦。
He was not happy being questioned about Morgan's death.
摩根·福克斯遇害后，她的妹妹科拉和母亲辛迪不得不处理后事。
After Morgan Fox's murder, her sister Cora and mom Cindy had to make arrangements.
用‘安排’这个词来形容为一个人操办葬礼，未免太冷冰冰了。
That's a very sterile word for planning someone's funeral.
辛迪说，我们得挑一件她下葬时穿的衣服，但我怎么能替我妹妹选葬礼上的装束呢？
Cindy said, like, we need to pick out what she's going to get buried in, and I should not be picking out the outfit that my sister for her funeral.
这根本不该发生。
That shouldn't be happening.
那是2020年，新冠疫情最严重的时候，很多家庭连聚在一起都难，更别说好好哀悼了。
It was the 2020, the middle of the COVID pandemic, a difficult time for a lot of families to gather, even harder to mourn.
当时有六英尺的社交距离规定。
It's a six feet rule.
每次只能进去二十分钟。
It's that we're only allowed in there for twenty minutes.
根本不能聚集人群。
It's that people aren't supposed to be gathering.
葬礼是开放棺椁的。
The service was open casket.
我看到棺材里的那一幕，这辈子都忘不掉。
What I saw in that casket is also something that I can never unsee.
她的头发上还沾着血，她妈妈给我看了。
Her hair still had blood in it, and her mom showed me that.
我永远都不会忘记那一刻。
I'll never forget that.
你到现在还在想这件事？
And you're still thinking about it?
对。
Mhmm.
是啊。
Yeah.
这让我心都碎了。
It breaks my heart.
摩根八岁的女儿艾米也在场，她手里还拿着一样东西。
Morgan's eight year old daughter, Emmy, was there, and she carried something with her.
艾米和她妈妈玩了个游戏，假装睡在薄荷膏罐子里，把罐子放在鼻子底下，假装艾米一闻就能把妈妈叫醒。
Emmy and her mom played a game pretending like they would be sleeping in the Vicks VapoSticks.
她们把薄荷膏放在鼻子下，假装艾米一闻就能把妈妈唤醒。
They would put it under their noses and pretend like, you know, Emmy would wake her up.
艾米去殡仪馆时带上了它，因为她觉得只要把罐子在妈妈鼻子底下晃一晃，妈妈就能醒过来。
And Emmy took it with her to the funeral home because she thought if she would wave that under her nose, she'd wake up.
那真是让人心碎的一幕。
It was a heart breaking moment.
而摩根的凶手依然在逃，葬礼现场也弥漫着一股隐隐的恐惧。
And with Morgan's killer still at large, there was also an undercurrent of fear at the funeral.
知道害人的人还在外面闲逛，你根本睡不着，满脑子都在想：他到底是谁？在哪儿？
To know that the person responsible is still walking the streets, you're not sleeping, you're wondering how, who, where are they?
为什么？
And why.
为什么？
And why.
侦探们正在努力解答这些问题，这时他们得到了一条重要线索。
Detectives were working to answer those questions, and they received a significant tip.
一位不愿透露身份的人称，自己在联邦快递工作，并听说摩根·福克斯和大卫·德纳尔达之间有婚外情。
A person that wanted to remain anonymous claimed they worked at FedEx, and there were some rumors about Morgan Fox and David DeNarda having an affair.
这个人还说，正是这段婚外情导致了大卫·德纳尔达最近的离婚。
This person was claiming that that affair was the cause of David DeNarda's recent divorce.
大卫·德纳尔达是联邦快递的另一位经理。
David DeNarda was another manager at FedEx.
约翰逊侦探找到他时，他正住在姐姐家——离婚后他就一直住在那里。
Detective Johnson tracked him down at his sister's house, where Dennarda had been staying since his divorce.
他见到你们并不高兴。
He's not happy to see you.
没错。
Right.
他很反感被人盘问关于摩根死亡的事。
He was not happy with being questioned about Morgan's death.
他尤其不高兴我们拿走他的手机，特别是那部 FedEx 的工作手机。
He was especially not happy about us taking his cell phone, especially his FedEx phone.
我叫肯尼迪警官，明白吗？
My name's Sergeant Kennedy, okay?
肯尼迪侦探负责了这次讯问，问得非常直接，一点都没留情面。
Detective Kennedy conducted the interview and he did not pull his punches.
我根本不关心你手机里有什么，我只在乎你和摩根之间有没有过交流，或者有没有什么关系。
I don't care what's on your phone other than the fact of whether or not you were having conversations, had some type of relationship with Morgan going on.
我想请你同意我们检查一下你的手机。
What I'd like to do is get a consent from you to go through your phone.
我们有个小设备。
We have a little machine.
我们之前用过这个设备。
We've done
就是干这个用的。
that on.
两天前被清空了。
It got wiped two days ago.
你两天前就把手机清了？
You got you wiped it two days ago?
我当时在我女朋友家。
I I I was at my girlfriend's house K.
手机突然弹出提示，说指纹识别失效了。
And my phone popped up and said, your fingerprint sensor doesn't work.
让我输入密码。
Type in your code.
我试了三次，结果手机就开始自动删除数据了。
I did it three times, and it erasing phone.
我当时就听手机自己说的。
I went, my phone told him.
我们最后发现，上面的信息和数据都被删掉了。
We ended up finding that there was information and data that had been cleared off of it.
可疑吗？
Suspicious?
是的。
Yeah.
不过，丹纳达提供了不在场证明。
Except, Dennarda offered an alibi.
他说自己在摩根遇害时在哪里？
Where did he say that he was when Morgan was killed?
他当时正和一些家人吃晚饭，之后就去睡觉了。
He actually had been having dinner with some family members and then went to bed.
我的意思是，几乎每个人的不在场证明都是我在睡觉。
I mean, almost everybody's alibi is gonna be, I was in bed.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yes.
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