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如果运动曾经让你感觉像惩罚、压力，或者是一件你‘应该’做的事情，这一集将彻底改变你的看法。
If movement has ever felt like punishment, pressure, or something that you should be doing, this episode is going to completely reframe that for you.
今天，我们要讨论的是如何以一种真正支持你的身体、改善你的感受，甚至有助于你与食物关系的方式来看待运动。
Today, we are talking about how to approach movement in a way that actually supports your body, improves how you feel, and even helps your relationship with food.
嘿，叛逆者，欢迎收听《饮食文化叛逆者》播客。
Hey, Rebel, and welcome to the Diet Culture Rebel podcast.
我是你们的主持人邦妮，一名注册营养师和认证直觉进食顾问，致力于帮助你无罪恶感地进食，通过成为直觉进食者并向饮食文化竖中指，追求不靠节食的健康。
I'm your host, Bonnie, a registered dietitian and certified intuitive eating counselor, here to help you eat without guilt and pursue health without dieting by becoming an Intuitive Eater and giving diet culture the middle finger.
我怀孕时开始接受盆底物理治疗，才发现我所经历的许多疼痛实际上源于臀部力量薄弱。
When I was pregnant, I started going to pelvic floor physical therapy, and I found out that a lot of my pain that I was experiencing actually came from weak hips.
老实说，这并不让我太惊讶，因为多年来，尤其是在青少年和二十岁出头时，我做了大量跑步，却缺乏足够的力量训练。
And honestly, I wasn't that surprised because for years, specifically in my teens and early twenties, I did so much running and not enough strength training.
而我生命中的这一时期，也恰好与我严重困扰于食物问题的阶段重叠。
And that period of my life also overlapped with when I was really struggling with food.
所以回过头看，我对运动的态度和我对食物的挣扎，绝对是相互助长的。
So looking back, those two things, my relationship with movement and my food struggles, were absolutely feeding off of each other.
过去，运动纯粹是为了燃烧卡路里。
Back in the day, movement was really just about the calorie burn.
它是为了让我觉得自己吃东西是理所应当的。
It was about feeling justified in what I ate.
它是为了掌控感。
It was about control.
也许对你来说也是如此，这正是你需要收听本期播客的原因。
And maybe that's the case for you too, which is exactly why you need to listen to today's podcast episode.
所以，那时我们回到我怀孕期间去接受盆底物理治疗的时候。
So at that time, we're going back to when I was pregnant and went to pelvic floor PT.
那时，当我发现自己臀部力量薄弱时，幸运的是，我对待身体活动的方式以及与食物的关系已经有所改善。
At that time, when I found out that I had weak hips, fortunately, things had changed for the better with how I approached moving my body intentionally and my relationship with food.
所以，当我发现自己的臀部力量薄弱时，我产生了好奇。
So when I found out my hips were weak, I became curious.
我想知道，我究竟可以做些什么来真正支持我的身体并感觉更好？
I wanted to know what can I do to actually support my body and feel better?
所以我开始加入力量训练，特别针对我的臀部，尤其是在生了两个孩子之后。
So I started incorporating strength training, specifically targeting my hips, especially after having two babies.
让我告诉你，刚开始的时候，我能明显感觉到它们有多虚弱。
And let me tell you, I could feel how weak they were at first.
但随着时间推移，当我持续进行这些针对性的锻炼时，我开始感到越来越有力。
But over time, as I continued with these targeted workouts, I started to feel stronger.
我的疼痛减少了，整体身体状态也变得好很多。
I had less pain, and my body overall just felt so much better.
正是这一点让我坚持下来，也让我今天在有意识地活动身体时依然保持动力。
And that is what kept me going and keeps me going today when I move my body intentionally.
不是出于内疚，不是压力，也不是所谓的健康热潮，而是源于一种内在的驱动力——我知道运动真的能让我身体感觉更好。
Not guilt, not pressure, not a quote unquote health kick, but the intrinsic motivation of knowing that movement actually helps me feel better in my body.
我分享这些，是因为对你们中的许多人来说，运动现在可能感觉非常复杂。
And I share that because for so many of you, movement might feel really complicated right now.
也许你觉得自己一直在过度锻炼，逼迫自己达到极限。
Maybe you feel like you are constantly overexercising and pushing yourself to the limit.
也许你很想锻炼，但却总是无法坚持下去。
Maybe you want to work out, but you just can't seem to follow through.
或者你觉得运动是一种负担，像惩罚，或者只有在你试图‘做个好孩子’时才去做。
Or maybe movement feels like a chore, feels like punishment, or something that you only do when you are trying to be, quote, unquote, good.
但如果运动不必如此糟糕呢？
But what if movement didn't have to feel that way?
如果它实际上能支持你与身体的关系，甚至与食物的关系呢？
What if it could actually support your relationship with your body and your relationship with food too?
因为事实是，学会倾听你的身体，不仅适用于饮食，也适用于运动。
Because the truth is learning how to listen to your body does not just apply to eating, it applies to movement too.
而这正是我们今天要深入探讨的内容。
And that is exactly what we are diving into today.
我非常兴奋地向大家介绍今天的嘉宾——教练泰勒·布拉梅特。
I am so excited to introduce you to today's guest, Coach Tyler Bramlett.
泰勒教练是WeShape的联合创始人，这个平台在全球拥有超过六百万粉丝，正在重新定义我们对健身和身体的看法。
Coach Tyler is the co founder of WeShape, a movement with over 6,000,000 followers worldwide that is redefining how we approach fitness and our bodies.
通过他的工作和播客《感觉更轻盈》，他将心理学、哲学和生理学结合起来，帮助人们以一种真正令人愉悦的方式重新与身体建立联系。
Through his work and his podcast, the Feeling Lighter podcast, he brings together psychology, philosophy, and physiology to help people reconnect with their bodies in a way that actually feels good.
但泰勒的故事之所以如此有力，是因为他并非一直以这种方式看待健身。
But what makes Tyler's story so powerful is that he did not always approach fitness this way.
他曾经实际上打造了我们许多人曾深陷其中的那些健身项目。
He actually used to build the exact types of programs many of us have been caught up in.
那些强调减掉腹部脂肪、练出紧致腹肌的‘新你’减重项目，其基础是自我评判、批评和羞耻感。
The new you weight loss programs focused on losing belly fat, getting toned abs, and ultimately built on self judgment, criticism, and shame.
但随着时间推移，尤其是在成为两个女儿的父亲之后，他开始质疑这种做法。
But over time, especially after becoming a dad to two daughters, he started to question that approach.
他做出了一个大胆而明智的决定：彻底改变自己在健身行业中的呈现方式。
And he made a really bold but great decision to completely shift the way he shows up in the fitness industry.
如今，他的工作重心是帮助人们通过运动来照顾自己，而不关注体重、外表或羞耻感。
Now his work is centered around helping people take care of themselves through movement without focusing on the scale, appearance, or shame.
而我实际上有幸亲眼见证了这一点。
And I've actually had the privilege of seeing this firsthand.
我参加了WeShape社区的一个问答活动，在那里我与他们的成员互动，回答了关于直觉饮食和修复与食物关系的问题。
I joined one of WeShape's community q and a's where I got to connect with their members and answer questions about intuitive eating and healing your relationship with food.
我真心认为，教练泰勒和他的团队所做的事情，与我们在播客中讨论的每一个理念都高度契合。
And I can genuinely say what coach Tyler and his team are doing aligns so deeply with everything we talk about here on the podcast.
在听完我与教练泰勒的对话后，我希望你能以一种完全不同的视角来看待运动。
After listening to my conversation with coach Tyler, my hope is that you start to see movement through a completely different lens.
一种积极、可持续且根植于自我关怀的方式。
One that feels positive, sustainable, and rooted in self care.
在你听到教练泰勒的分享之前，我想念一段来自听众达娜的Spotify评论给你听。
Before you hear from coach Tyler, I want to read you a Spotify comment that I got from a listener named Dana.
达娜说：我刚听完《最大减肥者》那一集，这让我豁然开朗。
Dana said, I just finished listening to the Biggest Loser episode, and this helped me connect the dots so much.
节目刚播出的那几年，我曾痴迷于《最大减肥者》。
I was obsessed with the Biggest Loser for years when it came out.
节目播出一年内，我就开始了我的第一次节食。
I started my first crash diet within a year of the show coming out.
我从未意识到这些事件发生得如此接近。
It never occurred to me how close those events were together.
这开启了一个循环，而二十多年后的今天，我仍在努力打破它。
It began a cycle that I am working to break over twenty years later.
达娜，非常感谢你分享这些。
Dana, thank you so much for sharing this.
虽然听到饮食文化对你产生了如此长久的影响让我感到难过，但我非常感激这个播客能帮助你理清思路，更清晰地看待你的经历。
And while it makes me sad to hear how long diet culture has impacted you, I am so grateful this podcast is helping you connect the dots and see your experience more clearly.
我真心相信，觉察是改变的起点。
I truly believe awareness is where change begins.
如果我们不理解自己是如何走到今天的，甚至没有意识到自己与食物的关系可以变得更好，那就很难做出任何不同的改变。
If we don't understand how we got here or even realize that our relationship with food can change for the better, it is really hard to do anything differently.
而我今天这一集的目的是帮助你开始连接你与运动之间的关系，因为这一切都是相互关联的。
And my intention with today's episode is to help you start connecting the dots with your relationship with movement too, because it is all connected.
我们对待运动、食物和身体的方式，并非彼此孤立的。
The way we approach exercise, food, and our bodies does not exist in silos.
它们在许多方面相互影响。
They influence each other in many ways.
我希望这场对话能帮助你开始转变对运动的体验，摆脱压力、惩罚和‘应该’，转向真正支持你、让你身体感觉更好的方式。
My hope is that this conversation helps you begin shifting how you experience movement away from pressure, punishment, and shoulds, and towards something that actually supports you and helps you feel better in your body.
如果《反饮食文化》播客曾支持过你，或帮助你理清了自己故事中的某些线索，我非常想听到你的声音。
And if the Diet CultureRebel podcast has supported you or helped you connect some of the dots in your own story, I would love to hear from you.
你可以在Spotify上留言，或在Apple Podcasts上留下评分和评论。
You can leave a comment on Spotify or a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.
你的反馈对我意义重大，它能帮助这一集和这个播客触达更多需要听到这些内容的人。
Your feedback means so much to me, and it helps this episode and this podcast reach more people who need to hear it.
我的标准免责声明：本播客仅用于教育和信息目的，不能替代个体医疗护理或专业建议。
My standard disclaimer, this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only, and it is not a substitute for individual medical care or advice.
泰勒，我的许多听众都陷入了健身计划的陷阱，这些计划承诺快速见效、身体重塑，或只要减掉体重就能成为全新的你。
Tyler, so many of my listeners have been caught in the trap of fitness programs promising quick fix results, body transformations, or that new you if you just lose the weight.
而我非常期待和你探讨的是，你实际上曾经参与过这些项目的构建。
And what I'm really excited to talk to you about is the fact that you actually used to kind of build those programs yourself.
我认为这一点非常容易引起共鸣，因为几乎每个人都曾陷入这种信念体系，我也包括在内。
And I think that's something that's so relatable because I think almost everyone has been caught up in that kind of belief system, myself included.
幸运的是，我们中的一些人因为各种原因最终改变了。
And fortunately, some of us end up changing for a lot of reasons.
你能带我们回到那个时期，分享一下你当时认为自己在帮助人们实现什么，以及为什么你觉得那是对的吗？
Can you take us back to that time and share what you believed you were helping people achieve and why it felt like the right thing to do then?
是的。
Yeah.
我很乐意这么做，邦妮。
I'm happy to do that, Bonnie.
顺便说一句，谢谢你邀请我参加这个节目，让我能和你的所有听众交流。
And, thanks for having me on the show, by the way, and being able to talk to all of your listeners.
我非常感激。
I really appreciate it.
是的。
Yeah.
正如你所说，我也是问题的一部分，你知道吗？要坦率地承认这一点，我不得不做了大量的个人成长工作，因为当时我的公司正在快速增长。
Like you said, I was a part of the problem, you know, and that's something that I've had to do a lot of personal work on to be able just to admit so freely because, you know, I had a company that was growing rapidly.
我们连续三年入选《Inc.》杂志全美增长最快500强公司榜单。
We made the Inc.
我们连续三年入选《Inc.》杂志全美增长最快500强公司榜单。
500 fastest growing companies list three years in a row.
哇。
Wow.
它提供着每个人向往的那种Instagram式生活方式。
It was providing that Instagram lifestyle that everybody wants.
但某一天，我意识到自己并不满足。
And at some point, I realized I wasn't fulfilled.
我感觉不好。
I didn't feel good.
这种意识让我明白，健身行业最终对人们传递的信息是：除非你长得像那样，否则你就该讨厌自己。
It that came with the awareness that ultimately what the fitness industry does to people is it says, you should hate yourself unless you look this way.
而且我有一个项目，能帮你达到这样的身材。
And I have a program that will help you look this way.
所以你应该买它。
So you should buy it.
对吧？
Right?
我之所以这么清楚，是因为我亲身做过。
And how I know this so clearly is because I did it.
我做了很多年，很多年，很多年。
I did it for years and years and years.
我们讨论过如何减掉腹部脂肪，如何练出紧致的腹肌，如何做到这一点，等等等等。
And we talked about how to lose belly fat and how to, you know, get toned abs and how to do this and blah blah blah.
现在回头看，我仍然认为我的很多项目其实很不错。
Now behind it, I I still think a lot of my programs were great.
那些只是我们用来吸引人们参与健身项目的营销手段，而这些项目本身是围绕运动、渐进式力量训练等内容构建的。
That was the marketing that we used to get people into fitness programs that were built around movement and built around progressive strength training and things like that.
但其底层理念是教导人们自我评判、自我批评和羞耻感。
But, the underlying philosophy was one of teaching people self judgment, self criticism, shame.
除了有了女儿并意识到我不希望她们在一个让她们感到如此自责的世界中长大之外，我和妻子真正意识到的最大问题是，人们最难做到的是保持一致性。
And the biggest thing that really came up for me and my wife besides having daughters and realizing I didn't want them to grow up in a world that made them feel that way was that one of the biggest struggles people have is being consistent.
就是能够持续地坚持并照顾好自己的身体。
Is being able to consistently show up and like take care of their bodies.
当我们认真反思这一点时，我们意识到，当我们告诉人们你应该通过羞耻感来推动自己健身时，你会一直感到糟糕。
And when we really sat back and thought about this, we realized that when we tell people you should shame yourself into fitness, you're constantly feeling bad.
当我们做某件事让自己感到难受时，我们还愿意继续做下去吗？
And when we do something that makes us feel bad, do we want to keep doing it?
不愿意。
No.
对吧？
Right?
那么，如果我们能让人相信去做一些让他们感觉良好的事情，会发生什么呢？
So what happens if we can convince people to do something that makes them feel good?
是的
Yeah.
你拥有这种内在动力。
You've got like this internal motivation.
是的
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
这是一种内在动机，而不是外在动机。
It's an intrinsic motivator versus an extrinsic motivator.
如果你看看这方面的研究，当你培养出内在动机时，你的身份就会改变。
And if you look at the research on this, if you can develop intrinsic motivation, that changes your identity.
如果你的身份、价值观和内在信念转变为：我是一个值得自我关怀的人，我会坚持照顾自己的身体，倾听自己的身体，与自己的身体建立连接，并且你掌握了一些实现这一点的技巧。
And if your identity and your values and your internal beliefs change to I am someone who's worthy of self care and I show up and take care of my body, I listen to my body, I connect with my body, and you develop some tools around how to do that.
那么突然之间，你就拥有了一个终身的习惯——你不再每天醒来都抗拒去跑步、去健身房，或者做这件事，也不会再想：天啊，我吃了这种食物，所以我得去燃烧这些卡路里。
Now all of a sudden, have a lifelong habit where you don't wake up every day dreading going for the run or going to the gym or doing this thing or, oh my gosh, I ate this food, so I gotta go burn these calories.
对吧？
Right?
相反，醒来后你会想，我的身体感觉怎么样？
Instead, wake up and you go, how does my body feel?
今天我有精力吗？
Do I feel like I have energy today?
我睡得好吗？
Did I sleep good?
我有多少时间？
How much time do I have?
不错。
Cool.
我可以偷偷做点拉伸。
I'll sneak in a little stretching.
我感觉有点累。
I feel kind of tired.
我打算做一些拉伸和散步。
I'm gonna just do some stretching and some walking.
哦，我今天感觉很棒。
Oh, I feel great today.
我要进行一次高强度的锻炼。
I'm gonna do a hard workout.
我要把一些能量释放出来。
I'm gonna let some of that energy out.
对吧？
Right?
我们现在在WeShape所做的很多事情，以及我们想传达给人们的理念，其实很简单。
So so much of what we do now at WeShape and the message that we're trying to teach people is simple.
对吧？
Right?
这是我的衬衫。
It's my shirt.
动得更好，感觉更好，照顾好自己。
Move better, feel better, and take care of yourself.
学会照顾自己，而不是惩罚自己。
Learn how to take care of yourself, not punish yourself.
是的。
Yeah.
哇。
Wow.
我的意思是，我完全同意。
I mean, I couldn't agree more.
我会想到那些内在的动机，比如当我们谈论饮食时，我觉得这些动机能真正促使我们做出让自己感觉最好的饮食选择，这种选择比那种为了减肥而遵循的‘吃这个，别吃那个’清单要持久得多。
I think about, like, those intrinsic motivators and, you know, when we're talking about like eating too, I feel like that can really motivate us to make food choices that leave us feeling our best that are much more sustainable than like this eat this not that list because we're trying to lose weight or something like that.
你的经历对我来说非常迷人，尤其是因为你提到，你过去的职业成功其实是建立在身体羞耻和我们现在常见的主流健身观念之上的。
Your journey is so fascinating to me, especially because you said that you had such a successful career when it was really based on kind of like the body shame and the mainstream fitness messages that we see now.
那么，到底是什么让你最终决定做出这个转变？一方面，你已经建立了一个非常成功的职业。
So what ultimately made you decide to make this pivot where like, you were like, okay, on one hand you have this really successful career that you've built.
另一方面，你知道，这与你的价值观并不一致。
And on the other hand, you know, that it, like, doesn't align with your belief system.
那么，是有一个特定的时刻，还是随着时间推移逐渐发生的变化，让你最终开始做出改变？
So was there one moment, or was it like a small progression over time that made you finally start to make changes?
绝对是逐渐的转变。
Definitely a small progression.
让我稍微回溯一下，教练泰勒是如何成为今天的教练泰勒的。
So I'll backtrack a little bit to kinda how coach Tyler got to be coach Tyler here.
邦妮，我认为我们社会中最大的问题之一，就是人们不敢坦然承认‘我错了’并改变想法。
So, Bonnie, one of the biggest problems that I believe we have in our society is that people don't, give themselves the freedom to say, I was wrong and change their mind.
这在政治中会发生。
This happens in politics.
这在健康和健身领域也会发生。
This happens in health and fitness.
这在许多其他方面也会发生，我认为这真的对我们不利。
This happens in so many different ways, and I think it really works against us.
这是因为人们害怕失去他们在某个职业或某种信念体系中花费数年甚至数十年才建立起来的势头。
And it's because people are afraid to lose the momentum that they've gained after spending years or decades in a particular career or a particular belief system.
但我持有一种这样的理念。
But I'm kind of of the philosophy.
如果你的某种信念没有对你或他人产生积极影响，你就必须抛弃它。
If you got a belief that's not serving you or it's not serving others in a positive way, you got to discard it.
你得从头再来。
You got to start over.
所以我想说的是，像大多数可能在听的人一样，我是在节食文化中长大的。
So I just want to say that like most of the people probably listening, I grew up in diet culture.
我是在这种有毒的健身文化中长大的。
I grew up in this toxic fitness culture.
对吧？
Right?
我小时候并不是个运动型的孩子。
I I was not an athletic kid.
我不是那种天生就有六块腹肌的孩子，像我一些朋友那样。
I was not a kid who was born with a six pack like some of my friends were.
我的父母一直尝试各种减肥方法，比如健力士减重计划等等。
Both of my parents struggled with diet after diet and doing Weight Watchers and all these different things.
对吧？
Right?
他们一直都在苦苦挣扎。
And they constantly struggled.
我生活中没有好的榜样。
And I had no good examples in my life.
当我快上高中最后几年时，我记得读过一本书，里面有一个原则深深触动了我。
And when I was about I was in, like, my late high school years, I remember I read a book and there was a principle in there that really hit me.
我有能力选择自己想成为什么样的人。
It was I have the ability to choose who I wanna become.
那是我第一次有人告诉我，我不必非要像我所模仿的那些人一样，他们的所有行为都不必复制。
And it was like the first time that somebody told me I didn't have to be like the people that I was being modeled, you know, all their behavior.
我不必像他们那样。
I don't have to be like them.
我可以选择别的路。
I could choose otherwise.
在某些方面，这是一个积极的信息。
Now in some ways, this is a positive message.
在某些方面，我确实把这句话和所有的不安全感都紧紧联系在了一起。
And in some ways, I really took that and took all my insecurity and put it right behind that.
对吧？
Right?
因为那时候，我没有我想要的身材。
Because at the time, I didn't have the body I wanted.
我没有健康。
I didn't have health.
我不够强壮，也不够灵活，什么都没有。
I wasn't strong or flexible or any of this stuff.
我当时就想，我可以改变这一切。
And I was like, I can change this.
对吧？
Right?
于是我深陷于有害的健身文化中。
And so I went knee deep into toxic fitness culture.
对吧？
Right?
我不断贬低自己，逼着自己去健身房，每天、每周都练上好几个小时。
Like, just shaming myself to go hit the gym and hitting it for hours, you know, every single day, every single week.
巧的是，我被车撞了。
And as luck would have it, I got hit by a car.
哇。
Wow.
我的股骨下端骨折了。
And it broke the bottom of my femur.
我最后坐上了轮椅。
I ended up in a wheelchair.
我无法行走。
I wasn't able to walk.
在那次受伤之后，我回到了健身房，但之前做的所有运动都让我感到疼痛。
And after that injury, I went back to the gym, and everything I previously did hurt.
这对我来说是一次非常特别的经历，因为我当时仍然试图锻炼肌肉、燃烧卡路里，就像我们所有人去健身房时都会做的那样。
And it was a really interesting experience for me because there I was trying to, like, pump my muscles and burn calories and, like, you know, do the thing that we all do when we join a gym.
而我面对的却是更直接、更真实的东西。
And I was faced with something that was more it was it was just in front of me.
当你受伤并感到疼痛时，你根本无法专注于其他任何事情。
Like, when you have injuries and pain, by the way, you you can't focus on anything else.
我想告诉你一件事。
And and I wanna tell you something.
这太疯狂了。
This is crazy.
目前有四分之一的美国人正在经历慢性疼痛。
A quarter of Americans are experiencing chronic pain right now.
哇。
Wow.
四分之一。
A quarter.
每四个人中就有一个，患有慢性疼痛。
One out of four people, chronic pain.
在我这十年康复过程中，我了解到，我们所经历的大部分慢性疼痛都是由于不良的运动模式造成的。
And what I learned over the ten years I was I was working through this was that so much of the chronic pain we experience happens because of poor movement patterns.
我们不知道如何正确地活动身体。
We don't know how to move our bodies well.
那么，良好的运动是否能消除所有酸痛和疼痛呢？
Now does this mean that great movement gets rid of all aches and pains?
也许不能。
Maybe not.
也许你有一些急性损伤，比如关节受损等。
Maybe you have some acute injuries, damage to your joints, etcetera.
但在几乎所有情况下，这都能减轻疼痛，让你更舒适，并在日常生活中拥有更多的活动自由。
But in almost every case, it lessens it, and it makes it more comfortable, and it allows you more freedom of movement throughout your daily life.
因此，这就是为什么我们在社交媒体上如此受欢迎的原因——我们只是在告诉人们：如果你想感觉更好，想尽可能长久地享受你的身体和生活，你就必须学会更好地运动。
And so that's one of the reasons we've become, I think, so big on social media is we're just teaching people, hey, if you wanna feel better, if you wanna enjoy your body and your life for as long as possible, then you gotta learn how to move better.
于是我深入学习如何更好地运动。
And so I went knee deep into learning how to move better.
但这里有个关键点。
But here's the trick.
这个故事还没结束。
This story doesn't end here.
我对此投入了极大的热情。
I got so into it.
这一切都关乎表现。
It was all about performance.
对吧？
Right?
我的身体能做到什么程度？
How much can my body do?
我能变得多强壮？
How strong can I get?
我能变得多灵活？
How flexible can I get?
多协调？
How coordinated?
还有这些不同的方面。
And all these different things.
我练过体操、柔术、手倒立、攀岩、自重训练、举重，以及你能想到的一切。
I did gymnastics and jujitsu and hand balancing and rock climbing and calisthenics and weightlifting and everything you could imagine.
对吧？
Right?
顺便说一下，期间我尝试过生酮饮食、素食、纯素食，各种饮食我都试过。
And by the way, along the way, did the keto diet, the vegetarian diet, the vegan diet, the I had everything under the sun.
对吧？
Right?
巧的是，我当时在练成人体操，做了一个扭转动作后，膝盖完全向侧面撕裂了。
And as luck would have it, I was doing adult gymnastics and I came down from a twisting move and I blew my knee out completely sideways.
K？
K?
这次伤比第一次严重多了。
And this one was way worse than the first injury.
顺便说一下，这已经是十年后了。
This is like ten years later, by the way.
哇哦。
Wow.
当时我是一名私人教练。
At the time, I was a personal trainer.
我当时有一个非常成功的本地健身房项目，拥有多个分店和大量学员。
I had a really successful local gym program, several different locations and lots of people.
我向他们传授我的理念，那就是关于运动。
And I was teaching them my principles of it was about movement.
它关乎进步，但被包装成了减脂和我们刚才提到的那些东西。
It was about progression, but it was packaged in weight loss and, you know, all these things that we just talked about.
但在第二次受伤后，我不得不重新思考一切。
But after my second injury, I really had to rethink things.
为了改善膝盖，我已经做了四次手术。
I've had four surgeries on that knee trying to make it better.
我的前交叉韧带至今仍未恢复。
I still don't have an ACL.
我的内侧半月板也依然缺失。
I still don't have a medial meniscus.
所以，对于所有正在与疼痛抗争、觉得锻炼可能不适合自己的人——事实上，这样的人很多——你们内心其实住着一位导师。
And so for all the people out there who struggle with pain and feel like maybe working out isn't for them because they don't know what to do, which is a lot of people by the way, you got a guru living inside of you.
这正是我最终意识到的。
That's what I ultimately realized.
当我学会如何正确运动时，我的身体感觉很好。
And when I learned how to move well, my body felt good.
当我与身体和动作保持连接时，我的身体感觉很好。
When I was connected to my body and my movement, my body felt good.
当我忽视它时——顺便说一句，当我在体操课上受伤时，我的身体其实是在告诉我停下。
When I ignored it, which by the way, when I injured my knee in that gymnastics class, my body was telling me stop.
我清楚地记得身体在说‘停下’，但教练却说‘再用力点’。
I very clearly remember my body saying stop, but the coach said punch harder.
我记得当时看着那个教练，心里想着：‘我要让你看看我的本事。’
And I remember looking at that coach and thinking in my head, I'll show him.
于是我照做了。
And I did it.
砰。
Boom.
我的膝盖完全被扭到了一边。
Blew my knee completely sideways.
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
你知道吗，我的前交叉韧带、内侧副韧带、外侧副韧带和半月板，一次性全伤了。
You know, my ACL, MCL, LCL, quad meniscus all in one shot.
你知道吗，当你的膝盖向侧面扭曲时，那简直太糟糕了。
You know, when your knee goes sideways, right, it's just horrible.
这对我来说是一段相当漫长的旅程，因为在手术和康复的过程中，我不得不把自尊心放在一边。
So that's been quite a journey for me because along the way and through those surgeries and recovery, I've had to check my ego at the door.
我必须认识到，我受伤的所有原因都是因为我忽视了身体的信号。
And I've had to recognize that all the ways that I ended up hurting myself were me ignoring my body.
当我开始改变这一点时，我也必须意识到，每个人的身体都会随着时间退化。
And as I started changing that, I also had to recognize that everyone lives in a body that's gonna degrade.
我们都会慢慢变得虚弱、不那么灵活，最终都会死去。
We're all gonna slowly get weaker and less flexible, and we're all gonna eventually die.
我知道这个消息听起来很令人难过。
I know that's a sad message to have.
但别误会我的意思。
And don't get me wrong.
你确实可以保持更好的运动状态，感觉更好更久。
You can move better and feel better for longer.
对吧？
Right?
但这是事实。
But it's true.
这就是真相。
It's just the truth.
我能找到自我价值吗？
And can I find self worth?
如果我脱离自己的身体和外貌，我还能找到自身的价值吗？
Can I find value in myself if I remove myself from my body and how I look?
如果我把自己从我的表现和我能做的事情中剥离出来呢？
If I remove myself from my performance and what I can do?
如果我把自己从我的财务状况和成功中剥离出来呢？
If I remove myself from, my finances and my success?
在经历了这次膝盖受伤后，我一度感到被击垮，这段经历已经过去多久了，我甚至都记不清了。
And so throughout a series of just feeling like I got beat down after this knee injury, it was this has been another I don't even remember how long it's been.
从那以后已经十五年了。
It's been fifteen years since then.
我不得不不断重新与自己建立连接，并进行调整。
I've had to just continuously reconnect with myself and recalibrate.
尽管我们拥有一个成功的公司，尽管我们登上了《Inc》500强榜单，尽管每年有数十万客户涌入，尽管我终于得到了所有想要的东西，但我永远不会忘记那次经历——我有一辆特别想要的车。
And so even though we had a successful company, even though we had made this Inc 500 list, even though we had hundreds of thousands of customers coming in every year, even though I finally got everything I wanted, I'll never forget this one experience which is I I had this car that I really wanted.
对吧？
Right?
就像很多男人一样，我们都有这种自尊心。
Like a lot of guys, we have this ego.
我们都想要那辆很棒的车。
We wanna have the great car.
那是我丈夫。
It's my husband.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
于是我买了那辆车。
So I went and bought that car.
我去买了那辆车。
I went and bought that car.
那是2017年。
It was 2,017.
我永远忘不了，当时我正开车回家。
And I'll never forget, I was driving at home.
从我买这辆车的经销商那里开回来，大约要三十分钟。
It was about a thirty minute drive from this dealership where I got it.
我开到自家车道时，有了那一刻的感悟。
I pulled up in my driveway and had this moment.
我当时想，我内心依然空虚。
I was like, I'm still empty on the inside.
哇。
Wow.
我内心依然空虚。
I'm still empty on the inside.
在接下来的几年里，我确实尝试过用成功、成就和我们之前谈到的那些东西来填补这个空洞。
And I tried to fill that hole for a couple more years, don't get me wrong, with success and achievement and all these things that we talked about.
但当你不断尝试这些方法，同时依然意识到自己内心依然空虚时，你就会开始明白，你只是在试图填满一个永远无法填满的洞。
But as you continue to try those things and you continue to have the awareness that you still feel empty inside, you start to realize you're just trying to fill a hole that will never be filled.
与此同时，我的伴侣也在经历她自己的旅程，她逐渐意识到健身行业有多么有毒。
And so at the same time, my partner was going on her own journey, and she was realizing how toxic the fitness industry was.
我希望我能说，是我自己有了这种觉察。
So I wish I could say that I was the one who had that awareness.
我对自己试图用各种方式填补内心空虚这件事，有了更多的觉察。
I was having a lot more awareness around feeling like I tried everything to fill that emptiness inside.
她则意识到，我们生活在一个让我们感到空虚的文化中。
She was having the awareness that we're living in this this culture that makes us feel empty.
当我们把这两点结合起来时，我们就意识到自己走错了路。
When we can kinda combine those two things, we just realized we were on the wrong path.
我人生中最自豪的时刻之一，就是把一件极其成功的事情扔进了垃圾桶。
And one of the proudest moments of my life was to take something that was incredibly successful and throw it in the trash.
我的意思是，网上的人总在谈论销售漏斗、成功这些事， blah blah blah。
I mean, like, you know, people on the Internet always talking about sales funnels and these things and success and blah blah blah.
我可能会把这一切都关掉。
I might turn that all off.
一年几百万、几千万、上亿的收入，我直接就关掉了。
Millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars a year and just turned it off.
我们问自己一个问题：如果我们得不到任何回报——没有荣誉、没有金钱、什么都没有，我们会做什么？
And we asked ourselves the question, if we got nothing for it, no credit, no money, no nothing, what would we do?
我明白，能处于这种位置是非常有特权的。
And I understand that's incredibly privileged position to be in.
但我认为每个人都应该问问自己这个问题。
But it's something that I think everybody should ask themselves.
因为归根结底，我们现在只有这一生。
Because again, we only got this one life right now.
所以让我们以积极的方式生活。
And so let's live it in a positive way.
让我们过一种感觉在为世界做出贡献的生活。
Let's live it in a way that feels like it serves the world.
对吧？
Right?
于是，我们创建了WeShape。
And so, we created WeShape.
是的
Yeah.
WeShape 的理念非常简单。
And WeShape's philosophy is is really simple.
我们希望帮助人们学会更好地活动身体。
It's we want to help people learn how to move their bodies better.
我们大力投资技术，为人们提供独特的体验。
We invest heavily in technology to give people a unique experience.
每个人的身材都是独特的。
All bodies are unique.
所以我不能给你一个能解决所有问题的单一方案。
So I can't give you one program that's gonna fix everything.
我必须为你提供一套真正适合你的方案。
I gotta give you something that feels like the right fit for you.
然后，我们投入了大量时间和精力，构建了一个改变人们心态的框架。
And then we invested a lot of time and energy into building a framework around changing people's mindset.
因为如果我不能让你摆脱‘我讨厌自己，所以我得去锻炼’这种想法，你就会陷入我们所说的‘前进一步，后退一步’的循环。
Because if I can't shift you away from I hate myself so I should do this workout, you're gonna get stuck in what we call the one step forward, one step back game.
对吧？
Right?
你开始一个计划，打算每周锻炼五天，但之后你受伤了、精疲力尽了，于是就放弃了，然后又重复这个循环，一遍又一遍。
You you start a program, I'm gonna work out five days a week, and then you get after it, you get injured, you get burned out, and then you stop, and then you repeat that cycle over and over again.
基本上，所有来到WeShape或参加我们挑战的人，都经历过这种事。
And basically, everybody who comes into WeShape or joins our challenges and whatnot, they've had that experience.
对吧？
Right?
他们让体重秤来决定自己的自我感受。
They've let the scale rule how they feel about themselves.
他们一直在重复‘前进一步，后退一步’的模式。
They've taken that one step forward, one step back.
但现实是，如果你这样持续十年、二十年、三十年、四十年，都没关系。
And the reality is if you do that for ten years, twenty years, thirty years, forty years, it doesn't matter.
你毫无进展。
You go nowhere.
你毫无进展。
You go nowhere.
因此，我们经常告诉人们：少做一点。
And so oftentimes we're telling people do less.
对吧？
Right?
我们经常告诉人们，你此刻最重要的事是与自己的身体建立深层连接，学会照镜子时对自己说：我值得好好照顾自己。
Oftentimes we're telling people, hey, the most important thing you can do right here is develop a deep connection with your body and learn to look in the mirror and say, I'm worth taking care of myself.
所以我不确定我有没有回答你的问题。
And so I don't know if I answered your question.
我刚才扯得太远了。
I went on a real long rink right there.
但确实如此。
But Yeah.
这就是我今天走到这一步的方式。
That's that's how I got to where I am today.
百分之百。
A 100%.
当你谈到这些的时候，我真正反思了一些事情，那就是我们很多人对有毒的健身文化和饮食文化做出了各种各样的反应。
And what, you know, what I really reflected on when you were talking about all that, a few things, but how so many of us respond to toxic fitness culture and diet culture in so many different ways.
我的故事和你所说的很多内容都非常有共鸣，比如那种逼迫自己突破极限的压力。
So my story, I really resonate with a lot of what you said, like feeling that pressure to push yourself to the limits.
在大学时，我开始跑步。
In college, I got into running.
我在大学时跑了一场马拉松。
I ran a marathon in college.
之后不久，我又跑了一场。
I ran one more shortly after.
在我跑步的同时，我也在为我所在的大学加油助威。
While I was doing that, I was also cheering for the college I was at.
这两项活动并不相辅相成。
And those two activities don't complement each other.
所以，当你做啦啦队时，你需要更多力量型的动作，而跑步，尤其是马拉松，几乎会让你在啦啦队这类活动中的表现变得痛苦不堪。
So, you know, when you do cheerleading, like, it's like you you have more like power movements that you need and running kinda like, especially a marathon, it it almost hurts how well you can perform like in something like cheerleading.
所以我当时真的把身体累垮了。
So I was really running my body to the ground.
是的。
Yeah.
我总是会过度消耗自己。
And I would just like overexert myself.
同时，我知道很多听众也有类似的共鸣。
And at the same time, I know for a lot of my listeners, some resonate with that.
对吧？
Right?
就像不断逼自己到极限。
Like pushing themselves to the limits.
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但我还有一些听众，他们几乎遇到了一种障碍，明明想锻炼。
But I have others who they've almost come across this like barrier where it's like they wanna work out.
他们接收到各种信息，告诉他们应该锻炼。
They've gotten all these messages telling them that they should.
他们需要去健身房。
They need to go to the gym.
他们告诉自己确实去了。
They tell themselves they are.
他们设定了目标，说每周要去健身房x次，但就是根本做不到。
They create goals saying, I'm gonna go to the gym x days a week, but they just like literally can't do it.
所以，这是我看到的另一种情况。
So that's another way I see it coming up.
还有一些听众觉得锻炼总是像惩罚，像一项差事，或者只是为了改变体型的手段。
And then I have some listeners who feel like it's just constantly punishment, like a chore, or just a means to an end to just change their body size.
而且，他们习惯了只遇到那些一上来就让他们称体重的教练，然后整个训练课程都围绕着这个展开。
And, you know, they're so used to only seeing trainers who like the first thing they do is have them step on the scale and then their entire sessions around working out are centered around that.
因此，我真心相信你们在WeShape所做的一切。
And so I really truly believe in everything that you do at WeShape.
我很喜欢它专注于活动能力、良好的感觉，以及你如何从以往所有的成功中大胆迈出一步，去做更符合你价值观和你认为正确的事情。
And I love how it focuses on just mobility and feeling good and how you took this massive leap of faith from all this other success you had to do something that's more aligned with your ethics and what you know is right.
我认为，对于我的许多听众来说，这也是一种类似而令人恐惧的冒险，他们必须对自己做出这样的转变，远离节食和这些我们被灌输为正确的社会压力，而实际上这些压力严重伤害了我们。
And I think for so many of my listeners, it's kind of like a very similar scary leap of faith that they have to take in themselves too to move away from dieting and all of these societal pressures that we are told are the right things to do, but actually really harm us.
比如对饮食极度苛刻、遵循主流节食方式，总是试图通过饮食或锻炼来控制自己的体型。
Like being extremely rigid about how we're eating, doing the mainstream diets, always trying to eat or exercise in a way that just controls our body size.
要转向其他方向，做与周围大多数人不同的事情，这是一个巨大的转变。
Like it's a massive shift to focus on something else and do something different than what most people around us are doing.
嘿，叛逆者。
Hey, Rebel.
问你个简单的问题。
Quick question for you.
你有没有在什么时候吃、吃多少、以及如何在真正吃饱时停止进食这些问题上感到困惑？
Do you ever feel confused about when to eat, how much to eat, or how to stop when you are actually full?
如果你正在点头表示同意，那么这个内容就是为你准备的。
If you are nodding your head yes, then this is for you.
我制作了一份完全免费的饥饿与饱腹感量表指南，帮助你重新连接身体的信号，而不是听从外界的饮食规则和应该怎么做。
I created a completely free hunger and fullness scale guide to help you reconnect with your body's cues instead of listening to diet rules external shoulds.
这关乎与你的身体建立信任，让你能够实践正念饮食，并自信地选择让你感觉良好的食物和分量。
This is about building trust with your body so you can practice mindful eating and gain confidence eating what and how much feels good to you.
在这份指南中，你将了解到你的饥饿感和真正的饱腹感究竟是什么感觉，为什么节食会让你与这些信号脱节，如何以简单、不令人压力过大的方式今天就开始使用这个量表，以及如何用这个工具增强你对吃多少、吃什么的信心。
Inside this guide, you will learn what your hunger and true fullness actually feel like, why dieting can disconnect you from these cues, how to start using the scale today in a simple, non overwhelming way, and how to use this tool to feel more confident in what and how much you eat.
如果你厌倦了不断怀疑自己，或依赖僵化的计划来告诉你该吃什么、什么时候吃、吃多少，而这些计划最终只会适得其反，那么这份指南就是为你准备的。
This guide is for you if you are tired of second guessing yourself or relying on rigid plans to tell you what, when, and how much to eat that only backfire in the long run.
如果你想从每一餐开始，逐步重建与身体的信任，请前往 dietculturerebel.com/hungerfullnessscale，或直接点击节目笔记中的链接免费下载。
If you want to start rebuilding trust with your body one meal at a time, head to dietculturerebel.com/hungerfullnessscale or just click the link in the show notes to download it for free.
没有压力，无需完美，只是一个有助于你重建与身体信任、让饮食变得更轻松、更直觉、更愉快的实用步骤。
No pressure, no perfection, just a helpful next step to help you rebuild trust with your body and make eating easier, more intuitive, and more enjoyable.
好了。
Alright.
让我们回到本期节目。
Let's get back to the episode.
我还想补充一点，我访问你们的WeShape网站时，真的非常喜欢你们网站上的年龄多样性。
And the other thing I wanna add that I actually really loved about your website when I went on to WeShape is that there was age diversity when you looked at your website.
我认为，尤其是对女性而言，青春被赋予了极高的价值。
And I think especially for women, like youth is valued so much.
但随着我们年龄增长，在许多主流场合，尤其是健身行业，我们很少看到相应的代表。
And we don't we don't really have representation as we age in a lot of mainstream places, especially in the fitness industry.
所以我特别喜欢你们网站上也展现了这种多样性，你们真的在吸引真实的普通人。
So I love how you also have that diversity on your website and like you're really like appealing to real human people.
是的。
Yeah.
我非常感激这一点。
I appreciate that so much.
我想回到你刚才说的，你说你们的听众有不同类型的人。
And I wanna go back to what you said because you said you have these different types of people who listen to the show.
是的
Yeah.
关于这些不同类型的人，我其实也观察到了同样的情况。
And what I've kind of observed about those different types of I've I've seen the same thing.
对吧？
Right?
我非常清楚地看到了这些类别。
I see those categories very clearly.
在这一切背后，其实是低自尊。
Is underneath all of that is is low self worth.
当我们以极端的方式对待自己时，我们是在表达自己的不安全感和低自尊。
When we show up for ourselves in an extreme way, we're expressing our insecurity and our low self worth.
当我们无法找到动力去照顾自己时，我们也在表达低自尊。
When we can't find the motivation to show up for ourselves, we're expressing that in low self worth.
当我们觉得这总是件苦差事时，我们也是在表达低自尊。
When we feel like it's a chore constantly, we're expressing that in low self worth.
对吧？
Right?
因此，这正是WeShape在心态层面的核心所在——首先意识到这一点。
And so this is the the crux of the mindset side of what we do at WeShape is is first realizing that that's the case.
对吧？
Right?
我们在饮食和健身方面的大多数决定，都是因为不喜欢现在的自己。
The majority of the decisions we make around diet and fitness are because we don't like ourselves as we are right now.
如果我们能停下来，开始学会欣赏当下的自己，会发生什么？
And if we can pause and we can start to learn to appreciate ourselves as we are right now, then guess what happens?
我们会想要照顾好自己。
We want to take care of ourselves.
这又回到了我之前说过的。
This goes back to what I said earlier.
当我们做某件事时感到难受，就不想去做。
When we feel bad when doing something, we don't wanna do it.
但若我能帮你做事情时感觉良好，我们就愿意去做。
But if I can help you feel good while doing something, we want to do it.
所以我们必须转变这种思维模式，而这种转变可以从每天早上醒来这样简单的事情开始。
And so we have to shift that paradigm, and it can start with something as simple as waking up each day.
我不希望你欺骗自己，说‘我爱我的身体’。
And I don't want you to lie to yourself and say, I'm love my body.
如果这不符合事实，那这种方式是行不通的。
And if that's not true, that's not how it works.
而是要惊叹：我的身体在睡觉时一整晚都在呼吸。
It's, wow, my body breathed all night long while I was sleeping.
这真的很了不起。
That's pretty amazing.
我的心脏已经跳动了这么多年。
My heart has beaten for however many years I've been on this earth.
我的双腿一直承载着我走过了这么远。
My legs have carried me all this time.
当你学会为自己生活中的小事心怀感激时，这种感觉会随着时间积累。
And it turns out when you can find appreciation in the small things for yourself, that builds over time.
如果你能欣赏自己，你就会改变对自己的感受。
And if you can appreciate yourself, you change the way you feel about yourself.
当你改变对自己的感受时，你也会改变自己的行为。
And when you change the way you feel about yourself, you change the actions you take.
对吧？
Right?
因此，我们在这些基础上所做的，就是帮助你意识到这一切，支持你走过这段旅程，并为你提供工具。
And so all we do on top of that is bring the awareness to all of this, support people throughout that journey, and then give you tools.
对吧？
Right?
嘿。
Hey.
如果你这里紧张、那里酸痛，或者身体感觉不太好，觉得自己太虚弱、太僵硬或太柔软，那就从这里开始吧。
If you're tight here, if you're achy here, if your body's not feeling, you know, great here or there, you're feeling too weak, too flex or inflexible, here you go.
我们为你准备了一些东西。
We got something for you.
我们会给你提供工具。
We'll give you the tools.
但我最喜欢说的一点是，我不想成为你的导师。
But one of the things that I love to say is I don't wanna be your guru.
对吧？
Right?
我在这里并不是想当那个无所不知的人。
I am not up here trying to be like the guy who knows all.
我并不知道所有事情。
I do not know all.
我向人们展示的是生物力学的基本原理。
I'm showing people basic principles of biomechanics.
我希望你能成为自己的导师。
I want you to be your own guru.
是的
Yeah.
我想给你们提供针对身心的工具，希望你们去实践、亲身体验，并以有意义的方式与自己建立连接。
I wanna give you the tools for your mind and your body and I want you to go out and try them out and feel them for yourself and connect with yourself in a meaningful way.
用对你有用的部分，丢弃其余的。
And use what works for you, discard the rest.
我还想最后说一点，我认为这种通过自我羞辱来激发动力的心态如此流行，原因在于。
And one final thing I do wanna say is that I think the reason why this mindset of just shaming ourselves into being motivated is so popular.
你可能会对此产生共鸣。
And you might resonate with this.
我不确定。
I don't know.
我很想听听你对这个问题的看法。
I'm curious to hear what your take is on this.
是因为那些在外 Achieve 了理想身材、成功、名声或其他成就的人，正是在大力宣扬这种理念。
Is that the people out there who achieve the body, the success, the fame, the whatever are the ones out there preaching this.
所以外面的每个人都在想：我还不够讨厌自己，不足以激发自己去完成这次锻炼。
And so everyone out there is thinking themselves, I don't hate myself enough to be able to feel motivated enough to do this workout.
也许我应该更讨厌自己一些。
Maybe I should hate myself more.
而还有像我这样的人。
And then there's the the people out there like myself.
我就直接说说我自己的情况吧，如果你听过我过去改变体型时的内心独白，你一定会觉得：没人该这样对别人说话。
I'll just speak for me where if you heard my inner dialogue when I was, changing the way I looked in the past, you would be like, nobody should ever talk to anybody like that.
嗯。
Mhmm.
我认为人们没有意识到，那些最成功、身材最好的人，这些社交媒体上的所有人，往往都是自我评价最低的人。
And I don't think people realize that the most successful, the best bodies, all these people out there on social media are often people with the lowest self esteem.
是的。
Yeah.
我们拿来自我比较的那些人。
The people we compare ourselves to.
他们正是我们拿自己去比较的对象。
And they're the people we compare ourselves to.
他们是我们渴望成为的人。
They're the people we aspire to become.
我认为这非常重要。
And I think it's really important.
再次强调，当我们谈论心态时，我们在这里讨论的一切都始于觉察。
Again, when we talk about mindset, everything we talk about here starts with awareness.
让我们共同建立这种觉察：当我们渴望成为那样的人时，其实是在强化这种信息。
Is let's build the awareness together that we're lifting that message up by wanting to become that.
与其这样做，不如把目光从他们身上移开，转而关注我们自己。
And instead of doing that, let's look away from that, and let's start looking towards ourselves.
让我们走过镜子时，留意内心批评者出现并开始评判我们的时刻。
Let's walk past the mirror and notice when we have that inner critic show up and start judging us.
让我们暂停片刻，对自己说一些友善的话。
And let's just pause for a second and say something nice about ourselves.
就像肌肉通过重复锻炼变得更强壮一样，你的大脑神经通路也会通过重复而增强。
And just like a muscle gets stronger with repetitions, your mental pathways get stronger with repetitions.
所以我们越这样做，就越能巩固大脑中的这些神经通路，那些自我憎恨、自我评判、自我批评的旧信念和想法就会逐渐消失，而我们的自我价值感开始增长。
So the more we do this, the more we fortify those neural pathways and those thoughts in our brain and those old beliefs and thoughts of self hatred, self judgment, self criticism go away, and our self worth begins to grow.
我喜欢这一点。
I love that.
所以对于此刻正在听这段话的听众来说，如果你们觉得一切都讲得通的话。
So for my listener right now who's listening to this and they're like, everything makes sense.
一切都豁然开朗。
Everything clicks.
我非常喜欢这个观点。
I love this.
但当我去看医生时，他们告诉我，为了缓解膝盖疼痛，我需要减重。
But when I go to my doctor, they tell me that for my knee pain, need to lose weight.
或者他们告诉我，为了改善其他身体疼痛、不适或病症，我需要降低一个BMI等级之类的。
Or they tell me to improve body whatever other body aches, pains, ailments, I need to drop a category in a BMI category or something.
你知道，我的很多听众都深受这种信念的影响，他们觉得泰勒说的很有道理，但我的医生就是这么告诉我的。
You know, a lot of my listeners are really under that belief system like where they're like, this sense what Tyler is saying, but my doctor just said this.
那么，你们所倡导的哲学——专注于流动性、身心连接和功能性运动——如何帮助人们整体感觉更好呢？
So how can we shape, and the philosophy that you all do where you really do focus on, like, mobility, that mind body connection and functional movements to actually help you, like, feel better overall.
对于那些正在经历身体酸痛的人，这种理念如何帮助他们摆脱‘我得减肥’这种惯性思维？
How can that help someone who is experiencing body aches and pains instead of them jumping to the, like, let me lose weight narrative?
是的。
Yeah.
很高兴你提到这一点，因为我真的想帮助人们明白，如果医生只给出这样的建议，那他们是错误的。
So I'm happy you brought this up because I really wanna help people understand that their doctor is wrong if that's the only advice they give them right now.
明白吗？
Okay?
让我来说明一下，我并不是想越俎代庖，但请听我说。
So let me and I don't wanna, like I'm not trying to speak above my pay grade here, but check this out.
如果你的膝盖疼，很可能有一个非常常见的原因：膝盖是一个铰链关节。
If you have a knee that hurts, there's likely a very common reason that's going wrong with this is a knee is a hinge joint.
它本应只做前后运动。
It's supposed to go forward and backward.
如果你的膝盖出现轻微的内旋或侧向移动，通常是由脚部或髋部的问题引起的，这会导致膝盖疼痛、关节磨损，最终发展为骨与骨摩擦的疼痛、关节炎等。
If you have a little bit of internal rotation or lateral movement in that knee, usually comes from the foot of the hip, then what happens is we develop knee pain, we wear down the joint, we end up with bone on bone pain, arthritis, etcetera.
情况会越来越糟。
It gets worse and worse.
好的。
Okay.
如果你减重了，但没有改变这种运动模式，疼痛会消失吗？
If you lose weight and you don't change that movement pattern, does that go away?
不会。
No.
猜对了？
Guess Right?
它是
It's
比如我开车时车轮定位不准，即使我把后备箱的重量减下来，车轮还是没调好，那我的车还会坏吗？
Like if I'm driving a car and the wheels are out of alignment and I take some weight out of the trunk and the wheels are still out of alignment, am I gonna still break my car?
是的。
Yes.
百分之百会。
A 100%.
好的。
Okay.
医生们并不理解这一点，就像他们只用两周时间学习营养学一样，他们根本没学过生物力学。
And so what a doctor doesn't understand, just like they go to school for two weeks to learn about nutrition, They don't learn about biomechanics.
他们没学过运动机制。
They don't learn about movement.
他们没学过人体应该如何运动。
They don't learn about how the human body is supposed to move.
如果他们学过，就不会只说‘你该去吃药’，而会说：‘也许你应该去找物理治疗师，帮你学会更好的运动方式，从而感觉更好。'
And if they did, instead of saying that they would say, hey, maybe you should go see a physical therapist to help you learn how to move better so you can feel better.
对吧？
Right?
而且我认为，这甚至有点滑坡效应。
And I think that again, this is even a little bit of a slippery slope.
我也想说这一点，因为当我们去看物理治疗师时，我们会把他们当成权威。
I just wanna say this too because when we go to a physical therapist, we make them the guru.
很多人来找我们，也会把我们当成权威。
A lot of people come to us and they make us the guru.
我一直在鼓励人们。
And I keep encouraging people.
对吧？
Right?
如果你只是看着我们教你怎么做，却不践行‘膝盖方向应与脚趾方向一致’这一原则的话。
If all you do is like watch us teach you how to do it and then you don't take that principle of the knee goes the same direction as the toes.
对吧？
Right?
如果膝盖疼，记住，膝盖的方向要和脚趾一致，这样会好很多。
If your knee hurts, see, knee goes the same direction as the toes, that's gonna make it so much better.
这其中还有很多其他内容。
And there's a lot more to it.
我不是说这不对。
Don't get me wrong.
但如果你在走路时开始留意这一点。
But if you take your walking and you start being mindful about that.
当你上下楼梯，或者每次从椅子上站起来时，都能留意这一点，那会怎样？
If you walk up and down stairs and you start being mindful about that, every time you stand up from a chair, you start being mindful about that.
猜怎么着？
Guess what?
疼痛就会开始减轻。
Pain starts to go away.
对吧？
Right?
而且感觉很好。
And it feels good.
所以我们希望随着时间推移，多做那些让人感觉良好的事情。
And so we wanna do more of the things that feel good over time.
除此之外，我想和你们分享一个小故事，因为像你们能想象的那样，我一生中经历了许多膝盖疼痛，现在我已经做了五次膝盖手术——左膝一次，右膝四次，还有各种不同的损伤。
And on top of this, I just want I wanna share a quick story with you because I've had a lot of knee pain in my life as you can imagine with, now five knee surgeries, one on the left and four on the right and all these different injuries.
我也想再回到心态这个问题上，因为当医生告诉你需要减肥时，你有什么感受？
I just wanna go back to the mindset thing too because when a doctor says you need to lose weight, what do you feel?
是羞耻感。
It's shame.
糟糕。
Bad.
是的。
Yeah.
你为什么会感觉糟糕？
How you feel bad?
你心想，哦，我应该。
You're like, oh, and you're like, I should.
我应该去锻炼。
I should go to a workout.
我应该节食。
I should be on a diet.
blah blah blah。
Blah blah blah.
好像你做错了什么。
Like you did something wrong.
是的。
Yeah.
好像你做错了什么，是的。
Like you did something yeah.
好像你本身就有问题。
Like you're something's wrong with you.
对吧？
Right?
当你的身体出问题时，我们会觉得自己天生不够好。
And when something's wrong with you, we don't feel intrinsically worthy.
我记得几年前，我刚因为做了一件蠢事而第三次撕裂了前交叉韧带，正艰难地爬上一段很长的楼梯。
And I remember I was walking up this really big flight of stairs a few years ago after I just popped my third ACL doing something stupid.
我又没听从身体的信号。
I didn't listen to my body again.
我正爬着这些楼梯，膝盖肿得厉害，内心的批评声又回来了。
I And was walking up these stairs, my knee was all inflamed, and my inner critic came back.
我心里想：快点吧，你这个废物。
And I was like, come on, you piece of shit.
赶紧把这条腿拖上楼梯。
Like, let's drag this leg up the stair.
我突然间，心一下子碎了。
And I had a moment where I just, like, my heart broke.
我心想，如果是我女儿一瘸一拐地走上这些楼梯，而我却这样对她说话，会怎么样？
And I thought, what if my what if that was my daughter limping up the stairs and I talked to her like that?
是的。
Yeah.
你绝不会大声对别人这么说。
You would never say that out loud.
这能对任何人有帮助吗？
Would that do anything for anybody?
还是只会制造大量的负面情绪？
Or would it just create a ton of negativity?
那我为什么偏偏要这样对自己说话？
So why the hell am I talking to myself like that?
我为什么会对自己的膝盖这样说话？
Why am I talking to my knee like that?
那一刻对我来说是转折点，我开始改变自己对待伤病时的内心对话。
And that was a game changing moment for me where I shifted the inner internal talk around my injuries.
对吧？
Right?
而不是说：加油，你这废物。
Instead of going, come on, you piece of shit.
来吧。
Let's go.
为什么你总是这样？
Like, how come you're always this?
而是说：嘿。
It's, hey.
你已经尽力了。
You're doing the best you can.
我们慢慢来。
We'll go slow.
我会照顾好你的。
I'll take care of you.
我们会一起度过这个难关。
We'll get through this together.
我认为，当人们受伤时，医生不是说‘让我们先处理你的伤势’，而是说‘你得减肥’，这只会制造更多的负面情绪。
And I think when people get injured and a doctor says, lose weight, instead of, hey, let's take care of your injury, it's doing nothing but creating more negativity.
但如果那位医生对你说：‘你应该更好地照顾你的膝盖。’
But if that doctor said to you, hey, you should take better care of your knee.
你应该更好地照顾自己。
You should take better care of yourself.
我该怎么支持你呢？
How can I help support that?
这种感觉怎么样？
How does that feel?
这感觉像是一个关心你的人。
That feels like somebody who who cares about you.
一个想要鼓励你，而不是羞辱你的人。
Somebody who wants to encourage you, not shame you.
所以我认为，人们密切关注并意识到他人对自己所用语言的细微差别非常重要。
And so I think it's really important that people pay attention, become aware of the nuances of the language that's being spoken to them.
是的。
Mhmm.
因为这个世界上，无论是营销手段、医生与你的对话方式，还是朋友谈论自己和你周围人的言辞，都充满了各种影响。
Because there's so much in this world, in marketing, in the way your doctor talks to you, in the way your friends talk about themselves and, you know, around you.
这些所有的东西最终都让我们感到糟糕。
Like, all this stuff is just ultimately making us feel bad.
我真正想让你听到的信息是：你有资格关爱自己。
And the message I really want you to hear is you're worthy of caring for yourself.
你本身就值得被爱。
You're worthy of love just as you are.
如果有什么是你应该做的，当你的身体感觉不适时，就采取一些小步骤，慢慢更好地照顾自己。
And if there's anything you should be doing, if your body doesn't feel good, is take baby steps, little steps to take better care of yourself.
这些提醒真的非常有力。
These are such powerful reminders.
我最喜欢做的一件事是，当听到有人直接把身体的酸痛归咎于体型时，我会问他们：想想还有哪三种其他可能造成身体酸痛的原因？
One of my favorite things that I love to do when I hear people who are jumping straight to blaming their body size for aches or pains is ask them to think of, like, what are three other possible things that could be contributing to body aches and pains?
通常答案是，比如，我从不拉伸。
And often it's things like, well, I never stretch.
我几乎不动。
I hardly move.
我年纪大了。
I'm getting older.
我以前受过伤。
I had this injury a while ago.
当我们能这样思考时，我认为这也有助于我们在应对这些身体酸痛时对自己更加友善。
And it's just when we can do that, I think it also helps us be so much kinder to ourselves with dealing with some of these body aches and pains.
所以，泰勒，我非常欣赏你分享的一切，我真心相信WeShape的理念和你们所做的一切。
And so I love everything that you've shared, Tyler, and I really truly believe in the message of WeShape and what you all do.
自从创办WeShape以来，你见过的最有力或最鼓舞人心的客户故事是什么？
What's been one of the most powerful or inspiring client stories you've seen since starting WeShape?
哦，邦妮。
Oh, Bonnie.
哇。
Wow.
我们，我感觉非常幸运，因为说实话，WeShape 是我职业生涯中公司做过的最难的事情。
We've I've I feel so blessed because if I'm honest with you, WeShape has been the hardest thing I've ever done as a company in my career.
结果发现，当你告诉人们，嘿。
It turns out that when you tell people, hey.
这需要很长时间，你必须改变你对事物的看法，而且要放慢脚步。
It takes a long time and you have to change the way you're thinking about things and, you know, go slower.
这并不吸引人，人们不会立刻愿意报名参加。
It it it's not sexy, and people don't wanna sign up for that right away.
因此，我们花了很长时间才弄清楚，如何为我们追随者创造一种体验，帮助他们从对自我关怀的一点点意识到真正深爱和关心自己。
And so it's taken a lot of time to figure out how do we create an experience for the people that follow us that can take them from just a little shred of awareness of what they could be doing to care for themselves to deeply loving and caring for themselves.
因此，在过去几年我们建设 WeShape 的过程中，我把我们对外展示的那些内容看作是一种特洛伊木马。
And so over the last, you know, few years as we've been building WeShape, I really look at kind of the front facing things that we do as kind of a Trojan horse.
对吧？
Right?
因为如果你关注我们在WeShape的社交媒体，你知道，我们确实有一个播客，经常讨论心态，但相比我们普通的社交媒体内容，观看量只是很小的一部分。
Because if you go on our social medias with WeShape, you know, we do have a podcast where we talk a lot about the mindset as well, but that's a tiny fraction of the views that we get compared to our regular social media.
而我们在那里做的是：嘿。
And what we do there is we go, hey.
嘿。
Hey.
如果这里疼，试试这个。
If this hurts, try this.
就花一分钟做这个，好好照顾你的身体。
Just do this for, a minute and take care of your body.
对吧？
Right?
结果发现，很多人非常喜欢这种方式。
And it turns out that a lot of people love that.
他们说，哇。
And they go, wow.
这感觉真好。
That feels good.
我想多做几次。
I wanna do it more.
他们说，嘿。
And they're like, hey.
如果想多做点，我们给你设计一个十分钟的日常练习。
If wanna do more, we'll build you, a ten minute routine.
然后他们就会来完成这个练习。
And they they come and do that.
他们说，嘿。
And they say, hey.
嘿。
Hey.
如果你想学会如何更有规律地坚持，并能够为自己付出行动，那就加入我们的一个挑战吧。
If you wanna learn how to be more consistent and be able to show up for yourself, join one of our challenges.
在过去的几年里，我最自豪的一件事是我们打造了五个不同级别的‘感觉良好’挑战。
And so over the last few years, one of the things I'm most proud of is that we've built five different levels of what we call our feel good challenge.
有趣的是，人们参加挑战，是因为他们想逼自己一把。
Now what's funny about this is people join challenges, right, because they're like, wanna push myself.
我想减掉一些体重。
I wanna lose weight.
所以在挑战的第一天，我们会建议你每周完成两次十分钟的运动练习。
And so like on day one in the challenge, we're like, do two ten minute movement routines a week.
别给自己太大压力，然后只需完成我们提供的、更多关于心态调整的作业。
Don't push yourself that hard, and then just work through some of the homework that we're giving you that's more related to mindset.
结果发现，那些遵循这个计划的人，一年或十八个月后，往往实现了人生的彻底转变。
And it turns out that the people that follow that plan are the ones who I see a year or eighteen months later that have absolutely transformed their life.
我能想到我们项目中许许多多这样的人。
And I can think about just so many different people in in our program.
我们刚刚举办了第一次线下活动。
We just held our first live event.
宝拉，这位来自加拿大的美丽女性参加了活动。
Paula, this beautiful woman from Canada who came out.
她甚至还带了她的丈夫一起来。
She actually brought her husband too.
我对他直接跳入泳池深水区印象深刻，因为我们在线下活动中做了很多心态方面的内容。
I was really impressed by him jumping in the deep end of the pool because we did a lot of mindset stuff at the live event.
你知道的，她从极度不喜欢自己、一味牺牲自我、不断尝试各种项目却从没觉得任何方法有效，转变到如今，哇。
You know, going from really just not liking herself, self sacrificing, going from program to program, never feeling like anything worked for her to, like, wow.
我真的喜欢我自己。
I really like myself.
我现在能设立界限了。
I can set boundaries now.
我可以成为孩子们的榜样。
I could be an example for my kids.
对吧？
Right?
而且这个故事并不是唯一的。
And this story isn't isn't the only story.
我的意思是，我确实希望我能把他们都带出来，让你看看他们自己的话。
I mean, I I have, like, yeah, I wish I could just bring up all of them and show you their own words.
对吧？
Right?
因为我们经常收到人们提交的视频和材料，无论是我们在挑战赛内部的直播通话中，还是在WeShape平台上。
Because we get people submitting video and stuff to us all the time and on our live calls that we do inside the challenges and and at WeShape as well.
当你身上的酸痛和伤痛开始缓解时，你会感觉好多了。
You know, a, you feel good when your aches, pains, and injuries start to go away.
当你能用身体做更多事情时，你会变得更加自信。
You feel a lot more confident when you can do more with your body.
这种感觉真的很自由。
It's it it feels freeing.
当你能不疼地拿起狗粮袋、把盘子放到顶层橱柜时，你会感觉更自由。
You feel more free when you can, like, pick up the dog food bag, when you can put the dishes away in the top shelf without your shoulder hurting.
但我反复听到的最有影响力的一句话是：我以前根本不喜欢自己。
But the the most impactful thing that I hear over and over again is is I just I used to not like myself.
我曾经评判自己、批评自己。
I used to judge myself and criticize myself.
而现在，第一次——我听到有人说是七十年来第一次，他们能看着镜子里的自己说：我值得。
And now for the first time and people I've heard people say for the first time in seventy years, I can look at myself in the mirror and say I'm worth it.
哇哦。
Wow.
是的。
Yeah.
这就像特洛伊木马。
It's a Trojan horse.
对吧？
Right?
你可能会找到我们，然后做个小动作来调整你的肩膀，一年后，你却坐在我们总部里哭着告诉我们，你的父母曾因为你吃太多食物而羞辱你，以及由此带来的种种创伤，而我们必须一点一点地解开这些心结，才能让你重新享受你的生活。
And you might find us and you'll do this little move to fix your shoulder and then a year later, you're in our headquarters crying, telling us about how your parents shamed you for eating too much food and all the stuff the trauma that that caused that we had to unwind to get you back to a place of just enjoying your damn life.
我希望人们能健康。
I want people to be healthy.
我希望人们能快乐。
I want people to be happy.
对吧？
Right?
对我来说最令人难过的是，我们在节食、健身和所谓的健康养生上花的钱比以往任何时候都多。
And the saddest thing to me is that we spend more and more money on diet, on fitness, on quote, unquote wellness than we ever have.
对吧？
Right?
实际上，我让我的团队查了下数据。
Actually, I had my team pull the stats.
上世纪七十年代，我们在健康和养生上的花费大约是1000亿美元。
It was in the seventies, spent around a $100,000,000,000 on health and wellness.
2023年，高达4.9万亿美元。
2023, $4,900,000,000,000.
这太疯狂了。
It's insane.
过去五十年增长了65倍。
65 x growth over the last fifty years.
然而，我们却更不快乐了。
And yet we're less happy.
我们更不健康了。
We're less healthy.
我们患有的疾病更多，慢性疼痛也更普遍。
We have more disease, more chronic pain.
那我们还要这样持续多久呢？
And so how long are we gonna keep doing this?
我们还要继续做同样的事，却期待得到不同的结果多久呢？
How long are we gonna keep doing the same thing and think it's gonna produce a different result?
对吧？
Right?
我完全同意。
I couldn't agree more.
这些故事真美。
Those are beautiful stories.
我特别喜欢你分享的这一切，因为它真的反映了我很多听众正在努力改善的与食物的关系。
What I love so much about everything you shared is that it really mirrors what a lot of my listeners are working to do with their relationship with food too.
就是要建立这种身心连接，学会更加关注自己的身体信号和需求。
Just build this, like, mind body connection connection and and learn learn how how to to pay pay more more attention attention to to their their body body cues cues and their body needs.
多年来，我注意到，当人们这样做时，这能帮助他们成为自己生活的更好倡导者，就像你所说的那样，成为更快乐的人。
And something that I've noticed throughout doing this work for years is that when people do that, it, helps them become a better advocate for their lives, like, really similar to a lot of what you said and just become happier humans.
所以
So
是的。
Yeah.
那就是我想要的。
And that's what I want.
我的意思是，如果我能建立一家企业，对，我相信有意识的资本主义。
I mean, if if I can build a business, right, I believe I believe in conscious capitalism.
我会坦率地说出来。
I'll come out and straight up say that.
我不认为大多数人这么做，但那就是我想成为的人。
I don't think most people are doing it, but that's that's who I wanna be.
对我来说，这意味着我在考虑如何服务自己之前，先考虑如何服务他人。
And what that means to me is I think about how I'm serving others before I think about how I'm serving myself.
我可以自信地说这一点，因为我深知服务自己的感觉。
And I can say that confidently because I know what it feels like to serve myself.
我知道做出违背我最深层诚信、只为追求我认为自己应该做的事的感觉。
I know what it feels like to make decisions that aren't aligned with my deepest integrity in service of what I think I was supposed to do.
对吧？
Right?
我决定去赚更多钱，好买那辆车，但内心依然空虚。
I'm gonna make this decision to make more money so I can get that car so I can still feel empty inside.
哇。
Wow.
这就像一个享乐适应的跑步机。
And that's that's a it's a hedonic treadmill.
这是一个永无止境的循环。
It's a loop that never ends.
我很幸运认识了许多比我成功得多的人，其中很多都在健康和健身领域，但他们几乎都过得不快乐。
And I've had the privilege of knowing lots of people who are massively more successful than me, a lot of them in the health and fitness world, and almost all of them are miserable.
他们几乎都在不停地追逐更多、更多、更多。
And almost all of them are trying chasing more and chasing more and chasing more.
我每天早上都能看到会员发给我们的消息，说我们分享的一件小事改变了他们的看法，现在他们能够以更有意义的方式对待自己。
And I get to wake up and see a message that a member sent us about how one little thing we share with them changed their perspective, and now they're able to show up for themselves in a meaningful way.
这真的让我内心敞开，让我热泪盈眶，而我根本不在乎自己能否从中得到什么。
And it it literally just opens my heart and brings me to tears, and I don't care if I get anything from this.
我不需要名声、认可、金钱或任何类似的东西。
I don't need the the notoriety or the credit or any money or anything like that.
我想做些事情，让人们觉得自己更喜欢自己。
I I wanna do something that makes people feel like they like themselves more.
嗯哼。
Mhmm.
所以是的。
So yeah.
我的意思是，如果你看我们的社交媒体，会发现很多关于运动和类似内容的东西。
I mean, again, if you see our social media, you'll see a lot about movement and things like that.
但同样，这只是表面手段，真正目的是如何帮助人们开始照顾自己，开始培养锻炼自我价值的习惯，把心态从‘锻炼’转向‘活动’。
But, again, that's the surgeon horse side of things towards how can we get people to start taking care of themselves, to start building that habit of exercising their self worth, of changing their mindset away from exercise and towards movement.
对吧？
Right?
这跟你能有多拼命没关系。
It's not about how hard you can work.
关键是看你能否与自己建立良好的连接。
It's about how well you can connect with yourself.
最终，我们能帮助越多的人找到内在的自我价值，就越好。
And, ultimately, the more people we can help find that intrinsic self worth, the better.
我觉得我们
I think we
需要这样。
need that.
在挑战期间，我也会告诉我的会员们：我的目标是让你的光芒闪耀。
And I tell my members too during the challenges, I'm saying, my goal here is to get you to shine your light bright.
因为当你充分闪耀时，会影响你周围的人。
Because when you shine yours bright, it impacts the people around you.
是的。
Mhmm.
所以我觉得，这个小小的腕部练习，虽然只是让你的手腕感觉更好，但它可能成为促使一个人走向自我深爱与关怀的催化剂。
And so I'm like, man, this little wrist drill right here that can make your wrist feel better, that might be the catalyst that takes one person to a place where they can show up in the world and deeply love and care for themselves.
而这个人将会把他的光芒传递给另一个人。
And that one person is gonna shine bright on another person.
这就是我们改变世界的方式，我想成为其中重要的一部分。
That's how we change the world, and I wanna be a big part of that.
这太棒了。
That's awesome.
这是一个很好的收尾。
That's a great note to leave on.
非常感谢你今天来到这里，泰勒。
Thank you so much, Tyler, for being here today.
是的。
Yeah.
非常感谢你邀请我参加这个节目，我喜欢这次对话。
I really appreciate you inviting me on the show, and I love this conversation.
从我与教练泰勒的交谈中，让我深受触动并想今天留给你们的是这一点。
Something that really resonated with me from my conversation with coach Tyler and what I want to leave you with today is this.
我们关于饮食和健身的许多决定，都源于对自己当下状态的不满。
So many of the decisions we make around food and fitness are rooted in not liking ourselves as we are right now.
当这种心态成为起点时，就不难理解为什么我们与食物和运动的关系会显得如此复杂，甚至相当消极。
And when that is the starting point, it makes sense why our relationship with food and exercise can feel so complicated and honestly, pretty negative.
我知道直接说‘我爱自己’可能感觉太过遥远，所以我不会要求你这么做。
Now I know jumping straight into I love myself can feel like a really big leap, So I am not going to ask you to do that.
但我希望你能尝试的是这一点。
But what I will invite you to do is this.
你该如何以尊重身体的角度来对待运动？
How can you start approaching movement through a lens of respecting your body?
你又该如何以建立连接的角度来对待运动，关注它真正让你有何感受？
And how can you approach movement through a lens of connection, paying attention to how it actually makes you feel?
因为我真心相信，这些问题有助于建立更积极、更持久的运动关系。
Because I truly believe those questions can help build a more positive and sustainable relationship with movement.
就像我们谈论饮食时所说的，这并不是追求完美。
And just like we talk about with food, this is not about perfection.
关键是随着时间的推移，与你的身体建立信任。
It is about building trust with your body over time.
非常感谢你在这里，和我共度这段时光。
Thank you so much for being here and for spending time with me.
如果这一集引起了你的共鸣，请别忘了留下评分和评论，或者分享给可能也需要听到这些的人。
If this episode resonated with you, don't forget to leave a rating and review or share it with someone who might need to hear it too.
感谢你今天在这里倾听，叛逆者。
Thank you for being here and listening today, Rebel.
我为你感到无比自豪。
I am so proud of you.
我迫不及待想在下次再和你聊天。
I can't wait to chat with you again next time.
在那之前，我是你的主持人，也是你的同伴叛逆者，邦。
And until then, I'm your host and fellow Rebel, Bon.
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